Time  Nick       Message
20:42 wizzyrea   ugh, yea, printing is so evill
20:37 chris      it sounds easy, until you have to deal with all the exceptions
20:36 chris      i dont think anyone wants to touch it
20:36 chris      printing is such a nightmare
20:26 rhcl       I do know that Userful takes their product and integrates it with the PC-Cop printer control system, so maybe that could be done (would require some additional coding I'm sure) with libki and PC-Cop.
20:24 rhcl       That seems to be an open frontier in the OS world...lots of opportunities????
20:24 rhcl       I don't think so???
20:23 wizzyrea   no print management though, right?
20:23 wizzyrea   that sounds great
20:22 rhcl       It's much more logically organized than some other access control systems.
20:21 rhcl       It's all php, and the server seems to run just fine on Mint and my OpenSuse connection.
20:20 rhcl       Looks really cool--the "koha integration" is a nice little touch.
20:20 rhcl       We're just starting to play with it. My tech assistant got the server part up and running in just a couple of hours, but we don't have any clients set up yet.
20:19 chris      wb nengard
19:57 wizzyrea   rhcl have you used libki?
19:55 chris      it knocks the socks off most of the proprietary alternatives
19:55 chris      nope, but ive seen it in action
19:52 rhcl       do you use it at all?
19:52 chris      yeah its pretty cool
19:51 rhcl       Kyle has done some amazing work with libki.   http://libki.org
19:50 munin      rhcl: kyle was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 43 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <kyle> A late thought, instead of having a version number battle, why not move to a date based versioning system like Ubuntu? Koha 9.12?
19:50 rhcl       @seen kyle
19:29 chris      heh
19:27 SelfishMan I knew this window was hiding somehwere
19:27 SelfishMan o hai
17:52 * owen     will be back in a bit, but without his testing setup
17:52 * owen     hates to walk out on some good help!
17:52 owen       thanks
17:52 chris      yep
17:52 owen       Sorry chris, if I don't leave I won't have time for lunch before I have to work at another branch today. Can we pick this up tomorrow?
17:50 chris      (i have from any library)
17:49 chris      what is the hold policy?
17:49 chris      http://librarian.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl?op=delete&itemtype=*&categorycode=ADULT&branch=*
17:49 chris      also on this page
17:48 chris      with 50 reserves set
17:48 chris      add a rule with default patron category and an itemtype (whatever itemtype you were trying to place a hold on)
17:47 chris      right, can you try one thing for me
17:46 pastebot   "owen" at pasted "select * from issuingrules;" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/102
17:46 pastebot   "chris" at pasted "issuingrules" (8 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/101
17:45 chris      right can you do a select * from issuingrules and paste it?
17:44 chris      k, dont worry about opac
17:44 owen       I'd have to apply your bug-fix for OPAC holds in order to test that... All these pending patches!
17:43 owen       Staff side is what I was testing
17:43 chris      owen: reserves from opac or staff side?
17:43 chris      well adding that column fixes adding rules, at least for owen and I
17:41 owen       It just doesn't solve my problem all by itself.
17:41 nengard    chris me too - mine looks like that and i can't add rules
17:41 owen       So yes, the issuingrules table bug exists.
17:41 owen       chris: Yes, but I had to modify the issuingrules table by hand just to be able to add circ rules
17:40 chris      ahh totally different bug
17:40 owen       chris: sorry, the whole issue is getting muddled. Yes, I can add circ rules. But I still can't place holds
17:40 chris      http://librarian.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl
17:40 nengard    hi chris
17:40 chris      and you still cant add circulation rules?
17:39 owen       chris: yes
17:39 brendan    :)
17:39 brendan    cya all later
17:39 brendan    howdy chris
17:39 chris      does your issuingrules table look like that?
17:38 pastebot   "chris" at pasted "issuingrules" (21 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/100
17:38 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2455 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, RESOLVED FIXED, remove SMS column from patron messaging preferences if SMSSendDriver is not defined
17:38 nelsonf    In the manual I see "bug #2455" and "IMPORTANT: This feature is still experimental", so maybe I should leave well enough alone for now!  http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/administration/global-system-preferences/patrons#enhancedmessagingpreferences
17:36 owen       Yes
17:36 chris      owen: you about?
17:34 nelsonf    a related question?  for PREDUE advance notices I can't get check box to show up under the patron messaging tab.  I only have blanks (a dash -, actually) for SMS/Email/Digest only, and RSS.  However, on the Item DUE row I see check boxes for SMS/Email/Digest only.  Maybe my version doesn't support this feature?
17:20 nelsonf    thanks for offering suggestions on my current grail search!
17:19 jwagner    nelsonf, I'm out of ideas -- anyone else?
17:17 nelsonf    Oops, thats (7,8) - no emoticon.
17:15 nelsonf    just looking at the sql output, I see Returns 0 rows for each of the 3 passes on CFCE | LIB-S.  FYI, I set Delay to 6,7,8 and see output (6,7) for first pass, then (7,8), then (8,90).  No e-mail apparently generated.  I have items due 19,20,21,22 December.
17:04 nelsonf    fingers crossed...
17:04 jwagner    Yes
17:04 nelsonf    do I also need to run perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl -v to generate the actual e-mail?
16:59 jwagner    With luck....
16:59 nelsonf    okay.  then I Save Changes, run the pl script from PutTY and the e-mail should be generated manually?
16:58 jwagner    Try setting the delay under the actual library instead of under the top default level.  per my earlier discussion with owen, I've had problems with doing the setup at the default level.
16:57 nelsonf    jwagner, In trigger screen (overduerules.pl) I'm assigning Delay numbers in the Default library.  All other libraries show Delay null and Letter "No notice".  Actually one other patron type lists Yes to receive ODUE, but this is set to Delay null and Letter "No notice" for all three letters.
16:55 wizzyrea   thanks for catching that
16:55 wizzyrea   cool, I'll get this ready to send :)
16:55 wizzyrea   at the bottom, Notes
16:54 nengard    awesome
16:54 wizzyrea   yea, it's there
16:54 wizzyrea   not sure why you'd want to sort on that, will have to fix that
16:54 nengard    click on the title in your suggestion there and see if it's in the form
16:54 nengard    also make sure it goes to the edit suggestion form as well
16:54 nengard    wizzyrea looks good to me
16:53 wizzyrea   nengard: http://screencast.com/t/ODgyMDAzZTYt like so?/
16:53 nelsonf    Yes.  For testing, my patron category (LIB-S) is the only one that says Yes.  We have many (10?) patron types, all say No but LIB-S.
16:52 jwagner    Does the patron category say Yes for receiving overdues?
16:49 nelsonf    I have a fine grace period of 3 days, and fine charging interval of 7 days, for my patron/branch type.  I've been working off the idea that if a book is due yesterday -- with Delay 1 for ODUE, I then should receive an e-mail today.
16:44 jwagner    Come to think of it, does grace period affect overdue notices, or fines?  Anyone?
16:43 nelsonf    how does the grace period factor in?
16:42 jwagner    nelsonf, not sure we can troubleshoot here -- need lots of info.  Doublecheck your triggers and make sure your overdue date (with grace period) matches the trigger date.  I always have trouble dialing it in.
16:42 wizzyrea   hmm. I actually don't particularly like this new suggestion interface :(
16:41 nelsonf    jwagner, I run perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -t -n -v and can see the patron type and branch output.  should I show you this?
16:39 owen       No, thank you for all the emails!
16:39 nengard    sorry for all the emails owen :) but thanks for checking those!!!
16:38 nelsonf    not being generated.  I'm trying to set up tests by checking out books  for myself, to trigger notices, but no notices forthcoming
16:37 owen       *whew* made it through all the new bugzilla emails, but my inbox is still filled with stuff to look at.
16:37 jwagner    nelsonf, is the problem that overdues aren't being generated, or that they're being generated for patrons not set to get them?
16:36 wizzyrea   nm I found it :P
16:35 wizzyrea   hm. I get an error 500 whenever I try to get the acquisitions on my install
16:29 nengard    awesome - thanks wizzyrea
16:25 wizzyrea   ;)
16:25 wizzyrea   so I'll fix it again
16:25 wizzyrea   it was part of new acq, it was in and then the template that I changed was overwritten
16:25 nengard    awesome!
16:25 wizzyrea   okies, I think I see what happened with the note
16:25 nengard    wizzyrea yup yup - patching patching :)
16:25 wizzyrea   nengard: you there chica?
16:24 nelsonf    we've got lots of patron types and overdue_notices.pl runs thru all of them, repeatedly for each fo the 4 branches, even though only one patron type for one branch is set to receive the ODUE notices.
16:21 wizzyrea   lol
16:21 owen       Okay, back to work everyone!
16:20 wizzyrea   !!
16:17 owen       We were having a 13-minute moment of silence for your goose.
16:17 wizzyrea   um, good morning? very quiet!
16:03 nelsonf    hi everyone.  I've been struggling with e-mail ODUE notification for some time.  Our Linux gurus installed Postfix and I think put the pl script in crontab, but I'm not receiving e-mails.  I'm pretty sure the pl script was run manually to generate the e-mails.  I'd appreciate any feedback...
15:54 nengard    wrong smily
15:54 nengard    :)
15:53 owen       ...just not shown as such on the home page :(
15:53 hilongo    yes ... it is
15:53 nengard    found it
15:53 owen       nengard: It's on koha.org now
15:52 hilongo    downloading
15:52 nengard    owen - it's not on download.koha.org - i thought it was only on koha-fr
15:52 owen       Yes: http://download.koha.org/
15:50 hilongo    stable, I mean
15:49 hilongo    is it out ?
15:49 nengard    hilongo - you should skip 3.0.4 and go to 3.0.5 :)
15:48 hilongo    :P
15:48 hilongo    I'm about to upgrade one production server to 3.04 and suddenly got nervous
15:48 hilongo    ahh ... great :)
15:47 owen       The latest development version
15:47 hilongo    which version of koha are you working with?
15:47 owen       Hello hilongo
15:46 hilongo    hello there owen , nengard
15:31 owen       Yeah, I've got a patchwork of suggestions and fixes none of which are working :(
15:29 nengard    bleh
15:29 owen       No
15:29 nengard    owen - did it solve the problem?
15:28 owen       And I manually updated my database according to that patch
15:27 owen       http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-December/004988.html
15:26 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3864 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Cannot place holds in staff client
15:26 owen       Wait, I think this is it: [PATCH] Bug with update database, was causing finedays not to add, which broke adding issuingrules related to bug 3864
15:26 nengard    yup .... me neither
15:24 owen       3870  says patch-sent, but I can't find the patch
15:22 nengard    thanks
15:22 nengard    yes, that's the one owen
15:22 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3870 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, NEW, Can't add circulation and fines rules
15:22 owen       Bug 3870
15:22 nengard    can't find it ... hmm
15:22 nengard    oh wait - i don't think i reported my other bug!!!
15:21 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3864 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Cannot place holds in staff client
15:21 nengard    and bug 3864
15:21 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3861 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, Can't Place Holds in OPAC
15:21 nengard    bug 3861
15:20 nengard    off to find the bug i reported
15:20 nengard    haven't seen a patch for that yet ...
15:19 nengard    basically circ rules aren't saving and so you can't place holds if there are no rules - yes the holds issue
15:19 owen       nengard: The holds issue?
15:19 nengard    owen - i have that issue to
15:14 imp        oO
15:14 jwagner    There are limits in the circ rules, but the default is From Any Library (should be, anyway).
15:14 munin      imp: Error: No such location could be found.
15:14 imp        @wunder berlin germany
15:14 munin      imp: Error: No such location could be found.
15:14 imp        @wunder berlin
15:14 owen       I think there are limits...
15:14 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2575 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, RESOLVED REMIND, Non-superlibrarian staff cannot add/modify new patron attibute fields in Vista
15:14 owen       Hmmm... Bug 2575: A bug in adding patron attribute fields in an unknown version of IE on Vista, not reproduceable on XP in FF3 or IE7?
15:01 jwagner    I'm running out of ideas :-(
15:01 owen       Yeah, that's what I meant about adding a rule for my patron/branch/itemtype. I've got a rule for my branch, my patron category, and the itemtype in question.
15:00 jwagner    In circ rules, instead of at top level, select the appropriate library & create the rule.
15:00 owen       Do you mean under "defaults for this library?"
14:59 jwagner    If you set an equivalent circ rule under the library, does it work?
14:56 owen       Can't place a hold even after adding an issuing rule for my patron/branch/itemtype *and* applying that patch
14:53 owen       Hm, applying that patch doesn't solve my problem (before adding any additional issuing rules)
14:49 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3785 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, New Install, no maxreserves setting, OPAC holds fail
14:49 jwagner    owen, regarding problems placing holds, if this is in OPAC, see Bug 3785
14:49 owen       I guess I'll try adding some lines
14:49 owen       Right, I have numbers set for default patron category, default item type, default library
14:48 jwagner    owen, you're talking about setting a rule at the top-most level of the circ rules?  Not going into a library first?  I had trouble getting that to work when I tried it, but that was a while back.
14:48 * owen     is still being told he has too many holds.
14:47 owen       As far as anyone knows, should a single "default" issuing rule work for all patrons at all branches?
14:44 owen       Oh, on-shelf holds! I didn't realize that was turned off by default.
14:43 jwagner    Obvious first things to check -- are on-shelf holds allowed, does that item type allow holds, etc.
14:41 owen       There's definitely one copy available.
14:41 owen       anyone know why I would be getting this message when trying to place a hold in the staff client? "No copies are available to be placed on hold"
14:39 nengard    jwagner - yeah that might do it
14:31 jwagner    The SQL field is required -- make the report name the same way?
14:28 nengard    okay
14:28 nengard    ah
14:26 owen       There should be server-side logic to back it up
14:26 owen       nengard: I could see about adding some js validation, but that would only be half a fix I think
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14:26 brendan    @wunder 04103
14:25 munin      04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports
14:25 nengard    owen, i tried to tackle bug 2969 yesterday  -but apparently my js knowledge isn't good enough  -is this an easy fix you can do?
13:56 jwagner    A little nagging does wonders sometimes....
13:56 nengard    I love it!!
13:56 nengard    I know!!
13:55 owen       nengard: Looks like a few people are actually responding to your "remind" bug statuses
13:54 owen       Back to work.
13:53 jwagner    Morning nengard
13:48 nengard    morning all
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13:09 indradg    @wunder kolkata
11:36 crackjack  how can I do this?
11:36 crackjack  I want a link to be displayed in search results only if the field 953 'a' has "YES"
11:36 crackjack  can anyone help me display conditional variables in template?
11:36 crackjack  
10:55 crackjack  anyone here knows how to display links in template according to conditions
10:46 crackjack  how can I do this?
10:46 crackjack  I want a link to be displayed in search results only if the field 953 'a' has "YES"
10:45 crackjack  can anyone help me display conditional variables in template?
08:39 CGI361     hi
06:46 CGI645     crack i shall join u later....cud u pass on ur email id...thanx...
06:44 CGI645     prerequisite YAML::Syck 0.71 not found.
06:44 CGI645     prerequisite Algorithm::CheckDigits 0.5 not found. and warnings like this.....but nothing ****
06:43 CGI645     yes one minute....
06:42 crackjack  can you read that warning for me
06:41 CGI645     yes there were warnings in it...
06:39 crackjack  look for errors and warning having ***
06:39 crackjack  and then run PERL Makefile.PL
06:39 crackjack  extract a fresh copy on KOHA first
06:37 CGI645     i have removed all the contents in the two dirs....the dir is empty now...should i repeat the installation steps starting from PERL Makefile.PL
06:36 CGI645     neother links to be removed...
06:35 crackjack  then remove all the zebra server links and koha site links form /etc/koha
06:35 crackjack  first delete all the contents from /usr/share/koha
06:34 CGI645     but i get those warnings... again..
06:34 crackjack  ya
06:34 CGI645     should i reinstall...
06:34 CGI645     koha 3...
06:34 CGI645     yes....
06:34 crackjack  you are using KOHA 3 right?
06:34 crackjack  it means that you have error in your make install step
06:32 CGI645     fatal error....n't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Output.pm line
06:32 crackjack  what is the error?
06:31 CGI645     i type my ip:port the koha error occurs....
06:31 crackjack  did you do that?
06:31 crackjack  http://your-ip:your-port
06:31 crackjack  you cannot load the opac and admin pages until you have successfully completed the web installer steos
06:30 CGI645     i cudnt go thru these steps...
06:30 CGI645     i am not able to load the opac and admin pages... successfully.....
06:30 crackjack  asked for language selection
06:30 crackjack  it asked for username and password?
06:29 crackjack  tell me what you did when you started the web installer
06:29 crackjack  no
06:29 CGI645     should i repeat those steps without zebra...and try...
06:28 crackjack  and what was the warning like?
06:28 CGI645     so the stuff will work withotu zebra as well?
06:28 CGI645     zebra was selected...
06:28 crackjack  did you select zebra or no zebra?
06:28 crackjack  it seems that installation with errors
06:27 crackjack  ok
06:27 CGI645     crack u there...
06:25 CGI645     yes i went thru all the steps....of the installation with warnings some places...my guess the yaz and zebra have not got installed properly...not sure...this is based on my readings over the net on koha...
06:24 CGI645     crack....i am with it for the past week or more...kindly help me to get done with it....
06:24 CGI645     thats the actual error message....
06:23 CGI645     an't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Output.pm line 30.BEGIN fail
06:23 CGI645     crackjack...got my issue?
06:22 crackjack  have you made the installation complete???
06:22 CGI645     earlier i was not able to connect to the opac and server pages...now that issue is thru...
06:22 CGI645     some of them went thru with warnings....
06:22 CGI645     i have followed all the steps in the debian.INSTALL file....
06:21 CGI645     i trty accessing the opac page.... the browser says trying to open PL file and admin page the browser says fatal error....compilation aborted at line 85....context.pm failed to locate.....
06:19 crackjack  do you have a manual???
06:19 crackjack  sure
06:19 CGI645     crackjack.....could u help me with koha installationon deb etch...
06:08 crackjack  How can I check whether I have "YES" or "NO" in my 953 'a' field data
05:48 crackjack  how can I do it??
05:48 crackjack  I need help in displaying conditional variables in my search.tmpl
05:45 crackjack  Hello alll.....Its a chilling gud morining from Nepal
05:38 CGI645     frederic1 hi could u help me with koha 3 on deb etch installation....
05:17 CGI645     amit
05:09 CGI645     hi ropuch...
05:06 CGI645     ne reasons for the errors that i listed............
05:05 CGI645     amit....so no way for me to move forward or what??
04:57 Amit       yes
04:56 CGI645     russ problems with koha 3 on deb etch...could u clarify....
04:54 CGI645     amit...
04:51 CGI645     really getting to me !!! u in india...
04:51 Amit       y
04:50 CGI645     amit ...got my error messages??
04:48 Amit       yes
04:48 Amit       hi brendan
04:48 brendan    hi amit
04:47 CGI645     amit u there...
04:45 CGI645     amit...
04:43 CGI645     amit....when i type locallhost or ip to access the opac it says tyring to open a file of type PL file and for admin page access: koha error fatal error...compilation aborted at line 85....
04:39 Amit       whr u stuck
04:39 CGI645     brendan....koha 3 on deb etch.. could u clarify my installation issues...
04:36 CGI645     amit...i have been with this for more than 10 days or so...some forward movement...but still want to get this one running..kindly help..
04:35 CGI645     hi...now i am able to connect to my opac and admin pages...but the browser responds...trying to open a file...do u want to save or stuff...and for admin page it says koha error...koha 3 on debian linux...
04:34 Amit       hi CGI645
04:34 CGI645     this is sivab amit..
04:33 Amit       hi indradg
04:33 CGI645     hi amit...
04:11 munin      indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 15.0�C (9:20 AM IST on December 28, 2009). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
04:11 indradg    @wunder kolkata
03:31 Amit       morning all
03:31 Amit       hi chris