Time  Nick        Message
22:19 cait        merry christmas #koha :)
22:19 * cait      gives up
22:18 munin       cait: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
22:18 cait        @later
22:17 cait        difficult
22:17 cait        hm
22:17 cait        list later
22:16 munin       cait: notes and tell
22:16 cait        @list later
22:16 munin       cait: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "wizzyrea" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
22:16 cait        @later wizzyrea you were too fast for my typing - merry holidays to you too!
22:16 munin       cait: Error: I haven't seen wizzyrea, I'll let you do the telling.
22:16 cait        @tell wizzyrea you were too fast for my typing - merry holidays to you too!
22:15 cait        oh now she is gone :)
22:14 wizzyrea    I'm out, ttyl
22:14 wizzyrea    well peeps, I may check in now and again over the long weekend, but if I don't talk to you, have a merry and safe holiday
22:13 wizzyrea    hee :)
22:13 cait        thx for answering him :) and I need to tell him, Im not a he ;)
22:12 wizzyrea    we'll get him sorted out eventually
22:12 wizzyrea    hard to say
22:12 wizzyrea    his english may not be very good, he may not be understanding
22:11 cait        I m a little confused why he wrote to the mailing list again
22:11 wizzyrea    oi
22:11 wizzyrea    lulz
22:10 cait        I wrote him the same... some days ago
22:10 wizzyrea    :)
22:10 wizzyrea    heya
22:10 cait        hi liz
22:10 wizzyrea    if I understood it correctly
22:10 wizzyrea    cait: I think I answered his question to the list, but I"m not sure
22:10 wizzyrea    newp, he's gone
22:07 cait        zico around?
22:06 cait        hi rhcl :)
22:05 rhcl        Hi cait!
22:05 cait        hi #koha
21:56 wizzyrea    morning IrmaCalyx
21:53 IrmaCalyx   Good morning all...
21:40 * chris_n   heads out to find food and become chris_n2
21:30 jwagner     In fact, I just sent it to a couple of them....
21:28 jwagner     I think a LOT of people would appreciate that one.
21:28 * jwagner   chortles
21:22 wizzyrea    it's really too bad chris isn't here lol
21:22 wizzyrea    hahaha http://www.osnews.com/images/comics/wtfm.jpg
21:00 munin       moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -3.1�C (2:58 PM CST on December 23, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Steady).  Winter Weather Advisory in effect until noon CST today... 
21:00 moodaepo    @wunder 56001
20:56 Ian         thanks wizzyrea
20:54 * wizzyrea  loves low hanging fruit
20:21 wizzyrea    so if tarball koha works, dev should too.
20:21 wizzyrea    Ian: afaik, dev koha works exactly the same as tarball koha in that regard
20:03 zico        need some sleep now!
20:02 zico        ok.. guys.. i will check this tomorrow...and let you know... :)
20:00 Ian         hi folks, quick question: does the dev version of Koha work with MySQL 5.2?
19:59 jwagner     Doing it via chat doesn't have quite the emphasis of in-person looking-over-the-top-of-the-glasses, but it seems to work.
19:59 wizzyrea    good girl jwagner!
19:58 jwagner     He was trying to sneak in and do some work this morning, but I growled at him.
19:57 wizzyrea    and a well deserved one at that
19:54 jwagner     No, he's on vacation this week.
19:54 zico        jwagner: is jdavidb here?
19:52 jwagner     zico, jdavidb has worked on a feature for a new books list, not exactly like owen's, but controlled by sysprefs.  With luck he can get that one pushed out fairly soon.
19:52 zico        wizzyrea: yep! xactly like this. :)
19:46 wizzyrea    something like that zico?
19:46 rhcl        Cool. Pretty nice of ACLOU.
19:45 wizzyrea    http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/node/624
19:43 zico        how can i do that?
19:43 zico        there... that "New Arrival" will just show the new arrivaled book`s image... say .. only 5 images
19:43 zico        i want to add "New arrival" in my opac
19:42 zico        i just need an idea regarding koha-3.0.5
19:42 zico        hi
18:31 nengard     hubby home - time for a break - be back later
18:31 nengard     okay - adding it all to the one manual -
18:19 owen        Merry Christmas everyone
18:19 * owen      is off
18:17 * owen      too
18:16 * chris_n   votes for 1
18:13 wizzyrea    chris++ 1 manual please
18:08 chris       otherwise you are gonna have to check 2 places everytime you arent sure
18:07 chris       i like 1
18:06 nengard     let the debating begin
18:06 nengard     okay -- manual question for all on the chanel - should we have 2 manuals - one for useage and one for sys admin stuff?  right now it's all in one manual - which i'm fine with - but i'm just wondering if we want 2
18:05 wizzyrea    <- is a little slow today
18:05 wizzyrea    ah gotya
18:05 nengard     yeah - that's what i mean - i need to take her edits and add them to what i wrote in the manual :)
18:05 wizzyrea    i'm sure she won't mind
18:05 wizzyrea    or you can work them together
18:05 nengard     i usually write those files based on the manual
18:04 nengard     yes i saw it - and i need to grab that text for the manual or i might end up overwriting it next time i edit that file :)
18:04 wizzyrea    nengard: did you see the patch I sent yesterday that sharon re-wrote some of the help in the reports module?
18:03 nengard     status changed to REMIND on all bugs that haven't been looked at since before 12-31-2008
18:03 nengard     okay all - prepare to be flooded with bug emails if you subscribe to that list
18:03 nengard     :)
18:03 wizzyrea    most of our stuff is (except for the reports stuff, sharon does most of that)
18:03 nengard     wizzyrea - okey dokey
18:02 wizzyrea    it was a team effort :P
18:02 wizzyrea    I think you can just credit NEKLS with it's creation
18:02 wizzyrea    nengard: pretty much everyone on the NExpress team had a hand in that one. I wrote it originally, Heather Braum edited it some, sharon did too
18:01 nengard     woo hoo - go chris_n
17:56 chris_n     and inches one step closer to the end
17:56 * chris_n   finishes adding the ability to embed borrowers table fields into text lines on patron cards
17:54 nengard     wizzyrea - who wrote this? http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/go-live/configure-your-receipt-printers/ I want to add it to the manual with the proper credits
17:53 chris       304 of those have patches
17:52 chris       1199 open
17:51 chris       oh there are craploads of really old ones with no patches too
17:51 chris       the mail will at least prompt people to reopen them and look at them if they really care
17:51 nengard     the prob is there are so many patches waiting to be pushed - so i can't test them and close them until they're pushed
17:50 nengard     no no no
17:50 chris       im too brutal to do bug wrangling, id just go these have been open more than 6 months, no one has done anything to them ... closed
17:49 chris       :)
17:48 nengard     working as temp bug wrangler again - i'm good at nagging :)
17:45 chris       and they just need someone to nag them into being good ;-)
17:45 owen        Yeah, because if there is lower-hanging fruit it will be chosen first
17:45 chris       its a human problem, ppl are inherently bad at reporting bugs
17:44 chris       if a developer cant figure out what you mean ... they will just move on .. more info is always better
17:44 chris       there are bugs that i just go, what? and move on
17:44 chris       attach your patch, add more info
17:43 chris       to nag people
17:43 chris       jesse or calyx
17:43 nengard     volunteer for the bug wrangler job
17:43 nengard     several people did
17:43 wizzyrea    ah, well you're entitled to your opinion :D
17:43 chris       lemme look
17:43 chris       basically what we need the bug wrangler to do, i forget who volunteered for that
17:42 wizzyrea    which seems easier than taking the screencap, adding arrows, saving, uploading into bugzilla
17:42 nengard     :)
17:42 nengard     i'm not a fan of jing in general - not sure what it is - but it bugs me
17:42 wizzyrea    hm, my experience with jing is screencap, add arrows or whatever, say save to screencast and it is ready to paste the link
17:42 nengard     hehe
17:41 nengard     bleh - still another step
17:41 wizzyrea    instead of uploading to bugzilla
17:41 wizzyrea    nengard: you could use screencast/jing and keep them all online and just link to them there
17:40 chris       there are probably enhancements filed for that
17:40 nengard     i try to be detailed and provide images - but sometimes i just don't cause of how annoying it is to do
17:40 nengard     or a way to add multiple attachments at once - that would also be nice
17:39 nengard     well - i'd appreciate it :) making my life easier as one of the good kids just seems fair
17:39 chris       seriously
17:39 nengard     LOL
17:39 chris       i doubt it
17:39 nengard     who knows
17:39 nengard     see if bugzilla made it easier maybe more people would do it
17:38 nengard     i'd like a way to mark it assigned, patch sent and attach the patch in one move
17:38 owen        If only Bugzilla could prevent you from marking something as patch-sent if there are not patches attached.
17:37 owen        it takes some discipline on everyone's part to make sure the process works well.
17:37 nengard     i think bugzilla could make things a little easier - but i like it better than other systems i've used
17:36 nengard     owen - yeah - i did the best i could - some bugs weren't even marked as patch sent - so i may have not tested some that were done because of that
17:20 indradg     Merry Christmas to all at #koha
17:17 chris       cya
17:15 * chris_n   too (next week)
17:14 paul_p      see you tomorrow. Next week will be an internet-less one !
17:14 chris_n     bye paul_p
17:14 * paul_p    head home now (6:15PM in France)
17:14 paul_p      chris: Merry Christmas to you ! (it's 24th for you isn't it ;-) )
17:13 paul_p      chris: nahuel just left
17:11 * chris_n   hates it when he gets the assignment operator swapped with a logical equality >:-(
17:11 chris       nahuel: was your patch for 3536 meant for master or 3.0.x ? it does the updatedatabase for 3.0.x ... shall i make one for master too?
17:08 chris       even when they have actually now been implemented, or it no longer makes sense
17:08 chris       also enhancements ... often just keep growing and don't get checked again
17:07 chris       yep
17:07 chris       hence the desire for 3.4 to come with a bug wrangler to do that
17:07 owen        nengard will have made a difference with her recent work
17:07 chris       it does rise, mainly because we are bad at marking bugs resolved/closed not because we arent fixing them
17:04 owen        I'd like to see a graph of open bug reports over time. Hopefully that would not be a steadily rising line.
17:02 jwagner     That's some kind of milestone.  Not sure if it's good or bad....
17:00 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4000 normal, P5, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, NEW, Budgets table doesn't show tree view for sub-budgets
17:00 owen        Bug 4000!
16:55 nahuel      ping me to remind me :)
16:55 owen        Okay, I'll file a bug
16:54 nahuel      oh, tomorrow i'll take a look
16:54 * owen      doesn't see it :(
16:53 nahuel      theoricaly yes :)
16:53 owen        nahuel: If I have a sub-budget with a sub-budget, should I see the tree view automatically?
16:52 nahuel      sub-budgets with sub-budgets with sub-budgets
16:51 nahuel      owen, with big tree between budgets
16:51 owen        I've tried adding a sub-budget, thinking that would be it, but my sub-budget displays the same as other budgets
16:51 owen        Under what conditions does something on that page display as a tree?
16:51 owen        nahuel: I'm curious about the jquery "treeTable" scripts in aqbudgets.tmpl
16:47 wizzyrea    merry christmas everybody
16:47 wizzyrea    http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/album/A+Charlie+Brown+Christmas/
16:46 * chris_n   is sorry he missed seeing that one live ;-)
16:45 munin       chris_n: The operation succeeded.  Quote #50 added.
16:45 chris_n     @quote add  <pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you
16:45 nengard     heh - sometimes those last quotes are just funny
16:45 owen        Hmmm.. I guess munin doesn't know you were here unless you said something.
16:44 munin       owen: pianohackr|work was last seen in #koha 3 days, 17 hours, 35 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you
16:44 owen        @seen pianohackr|work
16:41 munin       chris_n: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 1 day, 15 hours, 4 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <pianohacker> Good night, #koha
16:41 chris_n     @seen pianohacker
16:39 hdl_laptop  pianohacker around ?
16:35 nahuel      each library will be able to choose his delay
16:35 nahuel      it'll be in issuingrules/smartrules
16:34 nahuel      héhé in 3.4 this won't be a syspref anymore
16:30 jwagner     You mean if someone changes the syspref?  No.  We have a site that changes the syspref at intervals (don't ask) but the expiration date should always be based on what was in effect when the hold was triggered.
16:30 nahuel      it don't update fields ?
16:28 jwagner     It records the expiration date as of the setting when the hold is triggered.
16:28 nahuel      What about if you change the expiry delay ?
16:27 jwagner     I don't think we've submitted it yet, but we've created a field in the reserves table for expiration date instead of calculating on the fly.  This allows filtering etc.  We also created a script to automatically transfer expired holds to old_reserves.
16:26 nahuel      héhé like in a shell
16:26 owen        Oh, "tab" twice :)
16:26 nahuel      "tab"
16:26 nahuel      héhé
16:25 owen        What did I accidentally type to make mysql ask, "Display all 2786 possibilities? (y or n)"
16:25 wizzyrea    to be perfectly clear, this is a situation where a bib has only one item, and it's lost
16:24 nahuel      you're right :)
16:24 wizzyrea    the reserves system shouldn't allow that
16:23 wizzyrea    where the only item with a hold placed on it is missing
16:23 wizzyrea    i'm not sure we've filed a bug, it's kind of more of a fringe case
16:23 nahuel      yep ?
16:22 wizzyrea    there's one last thing about pending reserves
16:22 nengard     no prob
16:22 chris_n     tnx nengard :-)
16:22 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3999 major, P5, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, NEW, Create Batch on Marc Import Tool Does nothing
16:22 * chris_n   gets bug #3999
16:22 wizzyrea    you die.
16:22 wizzyrea    wife crits you for 9999
16:21 chris_n     hehe
16:21 wizzyrea    wins*
16:21 wizzyrea    Wife vs. Some random koha person... wife winds
16:21 nahuel      :p
16:21 nahuel      I have a lot of "in-love" friends
16:21 nahuel      You can
16:21 paul_p      nahuel: i'll copy/paste the chat to Delphine :D
16:21 wizzyrea    ;)
16:21 wizzyrea    well I didn't want to annoy your wife
16:21 owen        She says that nahuel, but she never calls on Valentine's Day.
16:20 nahuel      ahah
16:20 wizzyrea    i love you.
16:20 wizzyrea    omg nahuel
16:20 wizzyrea    2918 here
16:20 nahuel      to allow librarians to print it
16:19 nahuel      In pending reserve, i'll add a CSV export
16:19 owen        We may have 2726 holds  but we never look at a list of all of them.
16:18 nahuel      and filtering
16:18 nahuel      it have pagination
16:18 nahuel      for 1700 holds it took 20s to show the result
16:17 nahuel      It use some AJAX
16:17 nahuel      Mine is slower, but not hang the browser
16:17 nahuel      jwagner, I don't think
16:17 nahuel      owen, me too :)
16:16 jwagner     nahuel, one of my sites can have several hundred holds in a day, maybe getting close to 1,000.  We've done some work on pendingreserves ourselves, trying to speed it up for them.  Not finished with that yet -- our programmer is looking at your patch to see if we're taking the same approach.
16:15 owen        Of course. But it doesn't look like it makes a difference to check cancellation date. I get the same result: 2726
16:14 nahuel      "and cancellationdate IS null" :)
16:14 nahuel      no owen
16:14 nahuel      héhé
16:14 owen        No, that turns up nothing
16:12 owen        Hmmm... and maybe add "and cancellation date is not null" ?
16:12 owen        select count(*) from reserves where found IS NULL ?
16:11 nahuel      ok cool :)
16:11 nengard     so it should be required and we can remove the note
16:11 owen        Thanks nahuel, I'll see about including that in the work I'm doing on that template right now
16:10 nahuel      nengard, The "amount" *must* be specified
16:10 wizzyrea    Ahh... lemme see if I can get a current snapshot of that, sec
16:10 nahuel      wizzyrea, items that should be in pending reserves :)
16:10 nengard     nahuel owen - my head hurts - what does the note mean and do we need it?
16:10 wizzyrea    ?
16:10 wizzyrea    items on the holds queue for the day? Items waiting in the queue
16:10 wizzyrea    you know, I'm not sure how to measure that
16:09 nahuel      10 000 ?
16:09 nahuel      1000 ?
16:09 nahuel      200 ?
16:09 wizzyrea    hundreds a day
16:09 nahuel      lots is like how much ?
16:09 wizzyrea    lots
16:09 nahuel      I have a question for US people : how many holds a library have?
16:09 * wizzyrea  squees with joy
16:09 owen        Then budget amount *should* be a required field?
16:09 nahuel      :)
16:09 nahuel      it was REALLY hard
16:08 nahuel      wizzyrea, I fixed it today
16:08 nahuel      owen, no you can't
16:08 wizzyrea    (because if you fixed that, I will... I'm not sure, but it will be a huge thanks)
16:07 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3950 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Pending reserve problems
16:07 owen        So it's okay to create a budget with no amount?
16:07 wizzyrea    nahuel: I have a question about bug 3950, is it related to 3270?
16:07 nahuel      as I know
16:07 nahuel      amount me be filled
16:06 paul_p      owen: probably right
16:06 nahuel      Depends :)
16:06 nahuel      hmmm
16:06 owen        So the whole message can be removed?
16:06 nahuel      now you have only one
16:06 nahuel      Before you had to choose 2 budgets
16:06 nahuel      It's an old stuff
16:05 nahuel      no
16:05 owen        If budget amount cannot be empty, shouldn't it be a required field like budget name is?
16:04 nahuel      if you want to do the patch
16:04 nahuel      "both" can be deleted
16:04 nahuel      ok
16:02 nahuel      hmmm
16:01 nahuel      So
16:00 nahuel      I got it !
15:56 nahuel      2s i'm rebasing
15:53 owen        Line 284
15:53 owen        http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/aqbudgets.tmpl;h=a7c64c9a4d2a1dd892c1b4ccfd486a19ea39fd8b;hb=HEAD
15:53 nahuel      doesn't return anything...
15:53 nahuel      $ grep -ir 'cannot both' koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/
15:51 nahuel      :)
15:51 nahuel      oh 2s
15:50 owen        "Budget amount cannot both be empty"
15:50 nahuel      I don't find the message in templates...
15:47 nahuel      2s
15:45 nengard     yes
15:45 nahuel      it's on new acquisition module ?
15:45 nahuel      oh right
15:44 owen        nahuel: On admin/aqbudgets.pl
15:44 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 normal, P5, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, Confusing warning on budget add page
15:44 nengard     Bug 3998
15:44 nahuel      about
15:44 nahuel      abotu what ?
15:43 owen        Maybe hdl_laptop or nahuel know the answer?
15:43 nengard     off to put it in as a bug that you can watch
15:43 nengard     owen - it wasn't a bug report - it was an email to the mailing list that was never answered --
15:43 nengard     not sure which
15:42 nengard     or there is another field that can't be blank that's missing
15:42 owen        Or "amound" and something else cannot both be empty?
15:42 owen        nengard: So the "both" is superfluous?
15:42 nengard     yeah - i think i put a bug in for that owen - it's a language issue
15:42 jwagner     It does the same thing with a contains 'e' -- cuts off the closing '
15:42 owen        I've got a question about adding budgets. On the add budget form (admin/aqbudgets.pl) there is a hint that says "Budget amount cannot both be empty"
15:41 nengard     on the most recent version of head
15:41 jwagner     Don't know.  This is a pretty old version of Koha, maybe a bug that got fixed in the meantime.
15:41 nengard     jwagner and owen - it works for me ...
15:41 owen        Some kind of sanitize routine that gets run on SQL submissions?
15:40 nengard     off to try it myself
15:40 nengard     jwagner sounds like an HTML filtering issue on the textarea ...
15:38 jwagner     Got a report puzzler for you -- I'm trying to run a select * from borrowers where cardnumber like 'e%' but when I save the report, it's cutting it off at like 'e -- leaving off the % and the closing '  Any ideas why?
15:11 hdl_laptop  gmcharlt: hi
15:04 nengard     done testing an documenting the new sys prefs branch - i think :)
14:58 nengard     owen added you to a bug - i thought it was a circ issue -but now i'm almost positive it's a design issue
14:52 munin       chris_n: No definition for "fuligin" could be found.
14:52 chris_n     @dict fuligin
14:41 * owen      runs off the look up fuligin
14:38 gmcharlt    owen: fuligin, naturally
14:38 chris_n     they could save lots of time
14:37 jwagner     I vote we all present gmcharlt an Order of the Iron Fist plaque when he retires from his present role.
14:37 chris_n     I think development standards in general should move up to near the top of the list after our 3.2 release
14:37 owen        Oooh, what color are they gmcharlt ?
14:37 gmcharlt    *snort*
14:36 jwagner     Nah, gmcharlt is more the velvet glove type.  Keep the iron fist out of sight, but available :-)
14:36 * chris_n   tries to imagine gmcharlt with an iron fist, glibly smashing patches into little pieces :-)
14:35 owen        An iron-fisted RM could help
14:35 chris_n     and keep work like is having to be done now down to a minimum
14:35 chris_n     some sort of syspref development standard which could be enforced on patches containing new sysprefs might also help keep the poison out of the pot of sysprefs
14:33 nengard     help always appreciated
14:33 nengard     jwagner - working on it :)
14:33 jwagner     I do think many of the sysprefs need better documentation.
14:33 nengard     paul_p - so if i have suggestion on but want the suggestions to be anonymous i set anonsuggestion
14:33 chris_n     but nengard's work should fix most of that and stop my griping ;-)
14:32 * chris_n   's main concern has been the hither-to-fore confusion and general lack of understandable explanation of sysprefs in general
14:32 jwagner     chris_n, I think that would be very advisable.  There are some sysprefs that the library really _shouldn't_ mess with, and others, like all the opac text blocks, that they can change to their heart's content.  If we could group the "don't touch" ones somewhere and isolate a permission for them, that would be great.
14:32 nengard     paul_p i'm confused - suggestion just says whether to allow suggestions at all
14:31 nengard     chris_n & paul_p I don't agree - more preferences means more control for the librarians - and that's a good thing :) and pianohacker's sys prefs edits makes it much easier to navaigate
14:30 chris_n     jwanger: I've been thinking of a feature which would allow some sysprefs to be set on a per user basis (those that are appropriate for that sort of thing)
14:15 jwagner     Personally, I like more sysprefs.  The more control we give the library, the happier they'll be and the less customizing we might have to do.  So long as the sysprefs are documented and don't clash with each other, the more the merrier!
14:14 jwagner     paul_p, in that case, I'm OK with it.  Just don't want to lose the granularity of control.
14:14 paul_p      so, we have 3 : sugg yes/no, readinghistOptIn yes/No, AnonymousPatronName Number
14:14 chris_n     my complaint about too many sysprefs is more general rather than directed so much at this particular instance
14:13 paul_p      jwagner: activating them is another thing. This one is just to say which patron is the "anonymous patron".
14:13 jwagner     chris_n, not sure I agree with paul_p and you -- I think allowing anonymous suggestions and allowing reading history anonymizing are two different functions.  Libraries should have the either/both choice.  I think both sysprefs should stay.
14:12 jwagner     Yep.  Unfortunately, most of us don't have that excuse....
14:10 chris_n     jwagner: if chris_n2 suddenly starts typing things unintelligible, you'll know what happened ;-)
14:09 chris_n     paul_p++ #for the "too many sysprefs" observation
14:09 chris_n     hehe
13:58 jwagner     But Daddy plays with it, why can't I???
13:57 * chris_n   wonders if his 3 year old is playing with the keyboard at home again :-)
13:56 chris_n     bye chris_n2
13:54 nengard     cool
13:54 hdl_laptop  nengard: I want to make an open testing interface so that one can test.
13:52 jwagner     New toys! new toys!
13:45 owen        I think I'd better not...plenty of things to keep me occupied today without new shiny distractions
13:44 nengard     I can share them with you too if you want
13:44 nengard     cause hdl_laptop gave me some detailed instructions for setting up a new branch and not losing HEAD :)
13:44 nengard     yeah
13:44 owen        nengard: You got tired of waiting and set up a special branch to test?
13:42 nengard     so - today i'm going through pianohacker's updated sys prefs branch - i have to say i like it more and more the more i use it :)
13:35 hilongo     happy christmas eve eve to you too... and to all :)
13:29 chris_n     g'morning
13:19 hdl_laptop  nengard: hapy xmas eve
13:19 magnusenger to you too!
13:16 jwagner     And to you.
13:16 nengard     happpy christmas eve eve everyone :)
10:20 Ropuch      Thank you, google image! ;>
10:20 Ropuch      But querying some dictionaries gave me: tidbit, plum
10:19 Ropuch      I remeber "raisins" from sezame street ;>
10:19 Ropuch      Huh, I was just wondering how tiny dryed grapes are called in english
10:15 Ropuch      Hi amit
10:11 Amit        heya nicomo, ropuch
08:26 Ropuch      Hello
08:22 hdl_laptop  hi all
08:16 nicomo      morning Ropuch
08:09 Ropuch      Morning #koha
04:00 brendan     good evening
04:00 brendan     hi amit
03:38 Amit        good morning all
03:38 Amit        heya brendan, chris
03:36 chris_n2    g'night
03:36 chris_n2    and time for bed here
03:36 chris       spotyas later
03:36 chris       right time to pick up kids
03:36 SelfishMan  The first thing I learned about junctions is to *never* remove the target before removing the junction
03:35 * chris_n2  wonders what part of windows is *not* funky
03:35 chris_n2    funky is definitely the word
03:35 chris_n2    what SelfishMan said :-)
03:34 SelfishMan  They are called "junctions" and can be a little funky
03:33 SelfishMan  sure you can
03:33 chris       you cant do symlinks in windows eh?
03:32 chris_n2    it's a chore to manually move each change from the single dir into my win32 repo
03:32 chris_n2    I've been trying to get it running as a dev install to ease getting my work into my git repo
03:30 chris       SelfishMan: heh, funny, maybe they were confused with 3.0.2
03:30 SelfishMan  Just needed to figure out which of us was on crack :--P
03:30 SelfishMan  chris: That's what I remember but they were convinced that 3.2 was out
03:30 chris_n2    SetEnv PERL5LIB "C:/DOCUME~1/CHRIS/MYDOCU~1/koha-test/lib/"
03:29 chris       and the SetEnv is right?
03:29 chris_n2    C4 is located in C:/DOCUME~1/CHRIS/MYDOCU~1/koha-test/lib/
03:28 chris_n2    it appears to be pathing, but again, the only change here is the dev install vs. single dir install
03:28 pastebot    "chris_n2" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "koha-error_log" (6 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/103
03:28 chris       :)
03:27 * chris_n2  suddenly remembers where he was four weeks ago in the debugging
03:26 chris_n2    there are
03:26 chris_n2    yes
03:24 chris       not the koha error log either?
03:23 chris_n2    last entries in the error log are from 16 dec... :-(
03:22 pastebot    "chris_n2" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "access.log" (6 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/102
03:21 * chris_n2  hates silent fails
03:21 chris_n2    nothing... that's the thing... just a line for the 500 error in the access log
03:21 chris       the main apache2 error log that is
03:20 chris       chris_n2: whats the error in the log?
03:20 chris       SelfishMan: we don't really do dates .. we aimed to get 3.2 out by the end of the year, but that wont happen .. but it will be out as soon as we can fix the bugs
03:20 chris_n2    same thing works fine with a single directory install
03:20 chris_n2    any thoughts on why "http://localhost:8080/index.html" works fine, but "http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/tools/tools-home.pl" causes apache to throw a 500 error?
03:19 chris       so when they get pushed, someone gets to test and close them :)
03:19 chris       using the priority column
03:19 chris       they are
03:19 * chris_n2  wonders if the bugs with patches waiting are marked as such
03:18 SelfishMan  chris_n2: ok.  just making sure.  Had a library tell me they wanted to upgrade to 3.2 today but I don't remember it being scheduled for release yet.
03:18 chris       and then it will be sometime after that
03:18 chris       gotta kill those blockers and criticals (to be fair, most of them have patches waiting to be pushed)
03:18 chris_n2    it appears to be a core module on strawberry
03:18 chris       http://2tu.us/gqg
03:18 chris_n2    SelfishMan: cpan Time::HiRes says "Time::HiRes is up to date (1.9719)."
03:18 chris       nope
03:16 SelfishMan  Is there a release date for 3.2 yet?  Not sure if I missed that discussion
03:15 chris_n2    motivation has been low for the last several weeks, however :-P
03:14 chris_n2    right now I'm trying to fight through figuring out why a single directory install of koha runs fine, but a dev install causes apache to bork when calling /cgi-bin/ pages
03:14 SelfishMan  Even more amazed by that fact that there was no alarm support
03:14 SelfishMan  That is one of the things that always amazed me about activestate and vanilla perl was that Time::HiRes was not useable
03:13 chris_n2    I'm not sure about that
03:13 chris_n2    the maintainers worked with me last month to get several changes made in the January 2010 build necessary to run koha
03:13 SelfishMan  I haven't played with strawberry yet.  Does it have full support for Time:HiRes yet?
03:12 chris_n2    strawberry
03:12 chris_n2    SelfishMan: earlier there were four chris* nicks
03:12 SelfishMan  chris_n2: What flavor of perl?
03:12 chilts      good luck!
03:12 chilts      :(
03:12 chris_n2    my resolution to get koha going on win32 by year's end is fading fast
03:12 SelfishMan  there are three chris* nicks? I just got used to two!
03:11 chilts      maybe 101 is good though
03:11 chilts      think I missed getting a commit number under 100 :)
03:11 chilts      so my Post-Christmas resolution (seeing as I don't do New Year's ones), get Koha going at home and damn well fix somethign :)
03:11 chris_n2    vpn is too latent for me to deal with
03:11 chilts      lol
03:11 * chris_n2  is also chris_n
03:11 chris       i only have the one :)
03:10 SelfishMan  multiple chris* nicks confuses me
03:07 chris_n2    hi andy
03:00 * chilts    sees chris_n2 wander in and look around
03:00 * chris_n2  wanders in and looks around