Time  Nick         Message
00:46 brendan      @wunder 93117
00:46 munin        brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.5�C (4:43 PM PST on December 14, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Rising).
00:46 brendan      @wunder 99305
00:46 munin        brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
00:47 brendan      @wunder 99705
00:47 munin        brendan: The current temperature in Speedway, North Pole, Alaska is -23.9�C (3:41 PM AKST on December 14, 2009). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: -999%. Dew Point: -65.0�C. Windchill: -24.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003.3 hPa (Falling).
00:47 pianohacker  Good evening
00:47 brendan      evening pianohcaker
00:47 brendan      heh
00:47 brendan      man I give up
00:47 brendan      pianohacker :)
00:47 pianohacker  pianocaker!
00:47 pianohacker  Now I'm hungry
00:47 pianohacker  How are you doing?
00:48 brendan      doing well how about you?
00:49 pianohacker  Good, resolved a crisis at the library, now back to school
00:49 brendan      crisis averted is good news :)
01:18 brendan      cya in a bit #koha
01:21 pianohacker  Hola Genji
02:12 brendan      @wunder 93117
02:12 munin        brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.3�C (6:08 PM PST on December 14, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Rising).
03:15 chris_n2     @wunder 28334
03:15 munin        chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 12.1�C (10:11 PM EST on December 14, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Steady).
03:16 chris_n2     hmmm... dewpoint ~ air temp... no wonder the air is wet
03:19 brendan      howdy chris_n2
03:19 pianohacker  chris: around?
03:19 pianohacker  also, hi, chris_n2
03:19 chris_n2     hola brendan, pianohacker
03:19 * chris_n2   exercises one of his five spanish vocabulary ;-)
03:20 chris        hiya pianohacker
03:20 pianohacker  chris: was thinking of sending a follow-up patch for the test suite to make the extended attributes test less verbose, was curious if that massive debugging output had any use
03:21 pianohacker  chris_n2: ¿Solamente sabe usted cinco palabras?
03:21 chris        sounds like a good idea to me
03:21 pianohacker  cool
03:23 Amit         heya brendan, pianohacker, chris
03:23 Amit         good morning #koha
03:23 pianohacker  Hi, Amit
03:24 chris_n2     pianohacker: unfortunately I barely made it through two years of high school Spanish long ago.... so 'si'
03:24 pianohacker  Haha, my response above was coincidentally five words long. Any interest in foreign languages now?
03:24 brendan      hi amit
03:25 Amit         heya chris_n2
03:25 chris_n2     pianohacker: greek, latin, hebrew
03:25 chris_n2     hi Amit
03:25 pianohacker  oh, cool. Not the typical choices
03:28 chris_n2     pianohacker: interestingly enough, I spend many hours each day with a bunch of folks from Mexico and Spain....
03:29 chris_n2     so one might think I'd at least speak passing spanish
03:30 pianohacker  Meh, depends on your interest. One of the reasons I'm learning spanish from my mom is to be able to talk to my grandparents
03:30 pianohacker  Is that through your job?
03:30 chris_n2     coll
03:30 chris_n2     cool, even
03:30 chris_n2     yes
03:31 pianohacker  Just from the community it's in?
03:33 chris_n2     we have several students in our student body from those countries as well as four from Mexico on the faculty
03:34 pianohacker  ah, cool
03:34 chris_n2     actually one of those on the faculty is from Peru
03:37 chris_n2     pianohacker: llanguage is very interesting around campus at times... students from Singapore, Korea, Philippians, and various other countries makes for very interesting conversations at times
03:37 * chris_n2   had better go find some sleep...
03:38 chris_n2     I hope to get back to Koha next week
03:38 chris        sleep well
03:38 chris_n2     tnx chris... g'night #koha
04:57 CGI433       hello
04:57 CGI433       I am a teacher in Shelton Washington
04:58 CGI433       anyone
04:58 CGI433       anyone
04:59 CGI433       anyone
04:59 CGI433       anyone
05:01 pianohacker  anyone!
05:32 brendan      night all
05:32 pianohacker  good night
06:52 Ropuch       Morning #koha
07:04 chris        hi Ropuch
07:05 Ropuch       Hello chris (evening for you?)
07:11 chris        yep
07:12 Amit         heya ropuch
07:12 Ropuch       Hi Amit
07:21 Amit         hi indradg
07:22 indradg      Amit, good afternoon
07:33 nicomo       morning evening koha
07:38 chris        hi nicomo
07:38 nicomo       eh chris how are you?
07:39 chris        not too bad, working on fixing C4::Labels so that 3.0.x is passing all it's tests
07:48 chris        you'll appreciate this, being a librarian
07:49 chris        it now handles callnumbers like MP3-CD F PARKER properly
07:51 indradg      chris, that's *nice* :)
08:00 chris        and another test fixed
08:00 chris        so now, 3.0.5 will run make test and only error on actual errors now :)
08:17 chris        http://stats.workbuffer.org/gitbuilder/
08:17 chris        lots of green now
08:17 Ropuch       [;
08:19 kf           morning #koha
08:20 chris        hiya kf
08:20 Ropuch       guten Morgen kf :)_
08:20 kf           hi chris
08:21 kf           guten Morgen Ropuch
10:30 CGI847       Hi Everybody... A u there Amit
10:31 CGI847       Amit:
10:33 CGI847       Kf?
10:34 CGI847       Chris
10:34 CGI847       Ropuch?
10:34 imp          CGI847: just ask your question :)
10:36 CGI847       CDS/ISIS records failed to load into the Koha Biblio..only loaded into the resevoir..currently we are entering  them manually.
10:38 CGI847       We are running Koha 2.2 on Suse Linux
10:38 chris        did you use bulkmarcimport.pl from the commandline ? and why such and old version of koha?
10:39 CGI847       Yes bulkinport.pl was used and the CS/ISIS records were said not vto be MARC-compliant
10:40 CGI847       Have not updraded to lates version yet#
10:40 chris        in my experience that is true, cds/isis doesnt produce valid marc, you can use marcedit to fix it though
10:41 * chris      has to go to sleep, but take a look on the wiki.koha.org
10:41 chris        there is info about cds/isis and koha
10:42 CGI847       I ve tried marcedit on a test Koha server (Windows) but did not succeed
10:42 chris        and this http://www.kohadocs.org/CDS_ISIS_to_Koha.html
10:42 * chris      goes to bed, good night
10:43 CGI847       Chris: A u saying I shud also hav a look at wiki.koha.org
10:43 CGI847       gud nite chris Ill have a look
10:46 CGI847       But my test server is Windows!
10:51 CGI847       Has anybody experienced problem migratin form CDS/ISIS to Koha
11:18 Amit         hi CGI847
11:18 Amit         yes
12:49 CGI847       a u there Amit
12:51 CGI847       Guys what is the best approach to sourcing a Koha consultancy?
12:53 CGI847       See this important system is a fuss considering that one needs to be Linux,SQL and DBA literate
12:55 CGI847       Koha Training I think thats what a novice like me needs rather than fumbling & experimenting around with things
12:55 jdavidb      847:  There are a number of vendors offering Koha help/training/hosting/installations/support.  Where in the world are you?
12:56 CGI847       We are in Botswana,Africa and I can tell you the only guys who could help us are in South Africa but there is a fuss also
12:57 jdavidb      Have you looked at the pay-for-support page at http://koha.org/support/pay-for-support  ?  It might be worth sending a few of those contacts some email, see what they can do.  Won't hurt to ask.
12:58 jdavidb      Fair Disclaimer:  I am biased, as I work for PTFS.  I couldn't say for sure if my company would be interested, not knowing your needs, but I can say that our contact, Patrick Jones, would be happy to at least have a conversation with you about it.
12:59 CGI847       Ive sent mail to him. Is he on chat?
12:59 jdavidb      The good news, if that doesn't work out for you, is that you don't truly need to be a major expert at Linux or SQL.  As long as you're not on the bleeding-edge new stuff, it mostly Just Works, unless your needs are unusual.
12:59 jdavidb      Patrick is not usually on chat.
13:00 jdavidb      He's been out of town for several days, and I don't know if he's back today or not--haven't seen him.
13:00 CGI847       I sent mail to him yesterday
13:00 * jdavidb    nods.
13:01 jdavidb      I'll ping him to look for it, then.  May I have your name?
13:02 jdavidb      We do a fair bit of training via WebEx and similar remote tools, as well as hosting and assisting with on-site installs, so I don't see why we *wouldn't* be able to help, technologically.
13:04 CGI847       Hmmm I see.. U see my problem here is that people dont want to engage experts and prefer to get their fingers burnt on something they dont understand
13:05 jdavidb      I understand.  In the current economy, globally, experimentation is sometimes cheaper than expertise, sometimes not, and knowing which way it'll go is challenging.
13:06 CGI847       jdavidb:I would prefer to engage you through my own company
13:08 jdavidb      I'll ping Patrick to watch for email from you.  He'll be the best one to talk to about an arrangement.  :)
13:09 CGI847       Please brief me about the Koha WebEx training
13:11 CGI847       How may site has PTFS installed/is supporting?
13:11 jdavidb      I personally haven't done too many; we have a couple of folks who do that.  It allows for shared-desktop access, along with teleconferencing, for demonstration-style training.  Technologically, it's pretty easy to set up and run.   It's great for a short how-do-I-do-this, as well as for longer systematic training.
13:12 jdavidb      Patrick's got all the facts and figures; I'm just the worker bee.  :)
13:12 CGI847       Do you have Windows based installations of Koha?
13:12 jdavidb      We don't have any Windows sites currently under support, that I know of.
13:17 CGI847       I m sure Patrick has replied but problem is our mail server is down..
13:17 jdavidb      I'm fairly sure he has *not* replied yet.  He's not in the office yet.
13:18 jdavidb      Give him a day or two to get caught up, and he'll get back to you.  He's good about that
13:19 CGI847       Dont you think to a novice Koha is more complicated than commercial systems?
13:21 jdavidb      To a novice?  Lots easier than commercial systems.  Most commercial vendors won't give you the time of the day without big stacks of money being involved.  With Koha, there is help right here, most any hour of the day.
13:21 jdavidb      The folks here are very helpful, if you've shown a little initiative, read the docs, tried things, and are able to ask clear, detailed questions.
13:23 CGI847       OK I see.. Do you have clients outside the USA
13:24 jdavidb      Not currently.  Our European partner, PTFS-Europe (http://www.ptfs-europe.com/) has customers all over; not sure if they have any near you or not.
13:35 CGI847       What advice would you give: The Windows or the Linux way?
13:38 owen         Hi #koha
13:38 CGI847       What is the distinguising difference between a Linux & a Windows installation of Koha
13:39 owen         CGI847: At the moment a Windows installation of 3.x is difficult if not impossible.
13:39 CGI847       3.x is the latest?
13:39 owen         Yes
13:40 owen         3.0.4, with 3.2 in the works.
13:41 owen         However, you can run VirtualBox on Windows and run Linux in a virtual machine. That's what I do for testing.
13:41 CGI847       I see..
13:42 CGI847       That way youll then be able to  run 3.x on Windows ?.
13:43 owen         Yes, although I'm not sure how well that would work as a "live" system
13:44 CGI847       Will Koha support for Windows continue in the forseeable future?
13:45 owen         People are working on getting Koha to work on Windows, but Windows-compatible version of Koha will probably always lag behind the standard version
13:48 CGI847       So that is to imply that one  better go the Linux way..Does Koha support all Linux brands?Suse,mandrake,redhat,ubuntu etc..
13:48 nicomo       CGI847: Debian is best
13:49 CGI847       Hi Nicomo.. why is Debian the best..We are using Suse
13:49 nicomo       I'm not a techy guy, I'm a librarian, so you'd have to check with others on this
13:50 nicomo       but my understanding is that Debian gives you access to the right list of perl packages
13:50 nicomo       more easily than, say, RH
13:51 ricardo      Hi everyone
13:51 ricardo      @seen hdl
13:51 munin        ricardo: hdl was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 13 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <hdl> good.
13:51 ricardo      @seen hdl_laptop
13:51 munin        ricardo: hdl_laptop was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 59 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <hdl_laptop> Is it consolidated figures ?
13:52 owen         CGI847: Debian is the distro most developers use, so it's your best bet for everything working properly. Ubuntu has worked fine for my testing system.
13:52 CGI847       Nicomo:Compared to others as per what you know
13:53 CGI847       You mean Koha developers also use Debian?
13:53 nicomo       I think they mostly do, yes
13:53 nicomo       or ubuntu
13:54 CGI847       OR Red Hat???
13:54 nicomo       I think RH has issues with the versions of perl packages
13:54 owen         Not that I know of CGI847
13:55 nicomo       being out of date on a standard RH install
13:55 ricardo      CGI847: There is a tutorial of Koha Installation in CentOS
13:55 ricardo      CGI847: Installation Manual of Koha 3.03 on CentOS 5.3
13:55 ricardo      http://www.dpl.gov.in/centos5-koha3.html
13:55 owen         CGI847: You can also browse the installation instructions for the various distros: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=tree
13:57 kf           we also use ubuntu here
14:05 CGI847       I see..
14:08 CGI847       I can only see instros for Debian,Debian lenny fedora,Open Suse &Ubuntu ----------What does that imply??
14:09 owen         CGI847: I means that installation instructions have only been written for those distros.
14:10 ricardo      CGI847: It only implies exactly that - that people only submitted installation instructions for those distributions. If you install Koha in other Linux distribution and want to submit instructions for that distribution, then "more power to you"!  :)
14:11 CGI847       Or  could it somehow mean people have not confidently tested it on the other systems??
14:12 ricardo      CGI847: I guess that's also possible. I think it's not possible to be sure. Did you want to install Koha in other distribution? Which one?
14:13 CGI847       Why is the CentOS Koha instro not published on the Koha site?
14:13 owen         CGI847: It's also possible that someone has tested it on another distro but didn't contribute installation instructions back to the Koha project.
14:13 ricardo      CGI847: It is in the Wiki
14:13 ricardo      http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php
14:14 ricardo      "# Koha 3.0.3 on CentOS 5.3 Extremely detailed"
14:14 ricardo      Maybe because that one is filled with screenshots and those can't go to installation text files?
14:15 CGI847       Hmmm....First time to here on CentOS
14:15 CGI847       Is CentOS popular? first time to hear of the OS
14:17 ricardo      CGI847: CentOS is a rebuild of RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux)
14:17 CGI847       mY GOD i DIDNT KNOW..
14:18 ricardo      CGI847: No problem :)
14:21 CGI847       So interms of documentation & reliability would one say CentOS has bigger tally than most??
14:21 owen         CGI847: Debian is the most used.
14:22 nahuel       install of koha on debian is more easier than centos/redhat/fedora
14:22 nahuel       debian or derivated like ubuntu
14:22 ricardo      @later tell hdl_laptop Hi Henri! Please read "Will my patches for Bug 3730 (submitted in October) be applied for Koha 3.0.5?" - http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2009-December/010586.html    Thanks!  :)
14:22 munin        ricardo: The operation succeeded.
14:22 CGI847       With the CentOS Dont we have the issues of versions with perl packges that are in RHEL
14:23 CGI847       With the CentOS Dont we have the issues of versions with perl packges that are in RHEL
14:23 ricardo      CGI847: Probably, yes
14:23 nahuel       ricardo, if I remember i'll tell him to watch
14:23 ricardo      CGI847: Probably, yes (="With the CentOS [you'll probably] have the issues of versions with perl packges that are in RHEL")
14:23 ricardo      nahuel: Thanks!  :)
14:24 nahuel       :)
14:24 nahuel       he's not at office today
14:25 CGI847       Who has it at what the Koha developers use??
14:27 arturo8a_    Im using Ubuntu 9.10 and Koha 3.0.4 =/
14:27 nahuel       our hosting servers are under debian
14:27 ricardo      CGI847: I think owen and nahuel are right (most use Debian or Debian derivatives, like Ubuntu). Actually, I'm kind of an exception (I mostly use SUSE - openSUSE / SLES. SLES is SUSE Linux Enterprise Server)
14:28 nahuel       But we have clients, under redhat, fedora, centos, suse
14:28 nahuel       and has one client under solaris
14:28 CGI847       Nahuel,Owen:I see
14:30 arturo8a_    I could never install and configure zebra on Opensuse = (
14:30 arturo8a_    so i changed to ubuntu server =) no problems here
14:30 CGI847       What factors would one consider to choose the OS to use? size,reliability,documentation etc??????
14:32 nahuel       packages :)
14:32 arturo8a_    comunity =)
14:33 nahuel       and sysadmin choice
14:33 owen         Yeah, don't pick one your sysadmin hates ;)
14:33 arturo8a_    yeah, of course...
14:33 arturo8a_    xD
14:37 arturo8a_    emmm how i can show item types on opac - zebra search?
14:38 nahuel       arturo8a_, in search result ?
14:39 nahuel       or in record view ?
14:39 ricardo      arturo8a_: Regarding Zebra on openSUSE, I had (have) the same problem. I'm guessing it is possible to work around it, by using the same approach that the guy that created the CentOS tutorial used. But, for now, I'm just skipping Zebra altogether
14:39 owen         arturo8a_: item type information is item-level, and information from search results is title-level
14:40 nahuel       owen, depends of item-level_itype
14:47 tirabo       arturo8a_: I think that you must modify MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl in order to show 942$c
14:48 arturo8a_    in search result
14:48 tirabo       yes
14:49 arturo8a_    MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl ?
14:49 arturo8a_    ok, i will search..
14:51 rhcl_away    @seen chris
14:51 munin        rhcl_away: chris was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 8 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: * chris goes to bed, good night
14:51 arturo8a_    tirabo
14:51 arturo8a_    maybe you can help mi on this:
14:51 tirabo       arturo8a_: MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl is in /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt or something like this
14:52 arturo8a_    i need to index some authorities marc fields on biblioserver -zebra
14:52 arturo8a_    for users can search some authorities fields on opac normal search
15:22 arturo8a_    woahh =( i need to put every item and image manually?
15:24 owen         arturo8a_: What do you mean?
15:26 arturo8a_    in xslt file , MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
15:26 arturo8a_    i have activate the XSL stylesheet on OPAC config
15:26 arturo8a_    but shows me all items as "Book" >.<
15:26 arturo8a_    I have Books, Articles, CD's ,etc.. =/
15:29 owen         When it shows "Book" it is showing the material type based on the information in your MARC record
15:29 owen         It is unrelated to itemtype or collection code.
15:30 arturo8a_    uhmmm
15:31 arturo8a_    i see the problem is the following
15:31 arturo8a_    i have the correctly itemtype on 942c
15:31 arturo8a_    but... in 008, i have a "t"
15:32 arturo8a_    xls searchs on 008 and i think all my items have a t :S there is a way to change this? if i change all items code manually ... will be a problem?
15:32 arturo8a_    look:
15:32 arturo8a_    <xsl:when test="$leader6='t'"><img src="/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/book.png" alt="book" title="book"/> Book</xsl:when>                  <xsl:when test="$leader6='p'"><img src="/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/report_disk.png" alt="mixed materials" title="mixed materials"/>Mixed Materials</xsl:when>                  <xsl:when test="$leader6='m'"><img src="/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/computer_link.png" alt="computer file" ti
15:34 kf           arturo8a: if you 008 is not correct - there is a sys pref so that the icons are not shown in opac
15:35 kf           if you want to correct your 008 you can use a tool like marcedit and reimport your records
15:37 owen         Hi schuster
15:39 arturo8a_    hi schustr
15:39 arturo8a_    kf,... uhmmm when i creating a new marc record, in 008 edit, it shows date-format on 008-06 field :S not a item type
15:42 kf           arturo8a_ im not sure I understand your problem, the small icons in opac are not related to your item types
15:42 kf           they are generated from values in coded MARC21 fields, I think 007 or/and 008
15:43 kf           if you are not able to correct your data you can use a sys pref to deactivate those small icons, or you can correct your data using koha cataloging or a tool like marc edit for batch editing
15:45 arturo8a_    mmm
15:46 arturo8a_    my opac is showing correctly icons and items types now
15:46 arturo8a_    but... i "coded" this solution... in the past...
15:47 arturo8a_    looks like here :
15:47 arturo8a_    http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5820/itemtypes.jpg
15:48 kf           ok, so your problem is that it shows correctly but search is not working?
15:48 arturo8a_    no no I thought that are an easy way to define it in style
15:49 arturo8a_    because i coded it... an every time that updates koha, i will need to copy it code and other =S
15:57 tirabo       arturo8a_: xslt is highly programmable, so you could modify it in such a way that consider only 942$c to show icons of itemtypes
15:57 schuster     Hey all...  Beware - I found my old laptop that I had debian and the original 3.0 install!!  I'm planning to use it as my "test" 3.2 machine!  There may be questions as I get started playing with GIT!
15:58 owen         schuster: We're all hiding!
15:58 schuster     You know me well!
16:01 arturo8a_    hi tirabo =) Yeah, i obtain a good result for showing item type and it works, the problem is to show the relation image-itemtype ... needs to be maually ?
16:04 tirabo       arturo8a_: If I understand the question you should chage in the xsl a few lines to stablish the relations (in esence changing 008x by 952$c)
16:12 owen         Anyone around familiar with suggestion management in HEAD? I see "accepted," "rejected," and "checked" as statuses for suggestions
16:12 owen         What is "checked?"
16:13 arturo8a_    tirabo: mm sorry tirabo, the problem is in my library... i asked to my librarian and she said that here she puts Books,Articles,thesis as diferent item type... when the correct way is to put all articles,thesis, and books just as "Books"... my mistake =)
16:47 owen         Opinions welcomed on proposed changes to suggestion management interface: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3844
16:47 munin        04Bug 3844: trivial, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, ASSIGNED, Manage Suggestions Design Needs Work
16:56 arturo8a_    anyone more thinks that language files needs to be in a separate file and template in another?
16:58 nicomo       owen: +1
17:05 brendan      morning
17:07 chris        morning
17:07 owen         Hi chris, brendan
17:10 kf           morning chris :)
17:11 rhcl         This is interesting.
17:11 rhcl         http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/15/best_buy_busybox_software_freedom_law/
17:11 kf           and bye #koha, bbl
17:12 chris        yeah they have been selling modified versions without the source code, it seems a pretty clear cut case
17:15 chris        soon as you dont comply with the GPL, standard copyright law kicks in, and then you're toast
17:30 owen         Is there a way to make my templates fail if I've got an unclosed TMPL tag?
17:33 chris        i know how to do that with template toolkit, dunno with html::template sorry owen
17:49 arturo8a_    dvanced search by publication date doesnt work for me... anyone has tested it?
17:56 schuster     debian question - how can I tell if samba is installed?  I'm trying to setup a fileshare with I believe a windows machine
18:06 owen         schuster: What about dpkg -l "samba*" ?
18:09 chris        apt-cache policy samba
18:11 cait         hi #koha
18:12 Ropuch       Hi #koha :)
18:12 jdavidb      howdy, #koha!
18:14 chris        wb cait, and hi jdavidb and Ropuch
18:29 veryinky     :|
18:29 jdavidb      hi, veryinky.
18:29 veryinky     Hey. Got koha running fine. My new task is to enter every book in the place. So feeling very : |
18:31 veryinky     It's 4000+ books, so I don't think I'll be doing much else for quite a while.
18:31 jdavidb      yikes!  Yeah, that'll keep you busy for a while!
18:32 Ropuch       veryinky: No that bad, actually
18:32 schuster     veryinky - I sure hope you are using biblios.net or a z39.50 to find the MARC!
18:32 moodaepo     veryinky How are you entering them?
18:32 Ropuch       I have: 6k+6K and other 1,5k aproaching in january
18:33 schuster     I also have been using a macro program to help me fill in some of the data on the item record.
18:33 veryinky     Yeah. z39.5. By hand. These are 100 to 200 year old books.
18:33 Ropuch       Ow
18:33 veryinky     So it's not like I can look them up by their isbn number. Some are really neat. Like this 250 year old bible. Thing is huge. Leather cover, gold trim, huge lock.
18:34 veryinky     (not that I understand why a bible would need a lock)
18:34 moodaepo     veryinky I love books with locks one them ; )
18:34 Ropuch       My task is easy with z3950, I have 1950+ books, most of them are 1975+
18:34 Ropuch       veryinky: libri catenati?
18:35 veryinky     That one is probably going into a cabinet or display since it's rather valuable.
18:36 veryinky     Sorry, I'm not a librarian. Engineering student and this is a part time job. So no idea.
18:36 veryinky     I can ask the historian if you want.
18:36 Ropuch       heheh, it's ok
18:37 Ropuch       No, libri catenati are "chained books" - mediaval libraries often had books bound to the desk
18:38 Ropuch       veryinky: why a library with such old and specific books want to catalog them with your hands?
18:39 veryinky     Historical Society, "La société historique du marigot"
18:41 veryinky     It's a small organization which stores historical documents for the south shore of montreal, quebec. Mostly for genealogy research, old documents. It's not big enough to be a museum though.
18:41 veryinky     http://www.marigot.ca/
18:43 veryinky     The big projects right now are digitizing and classifying old documents, making 3d models of 17th century forts from old blueprints, and my project of going through the various books they have in storage.
18:44 jdavidb      Lots of museum collections smaller than that, veryinky.   Be proud; those are interesting projects!
18:44 veryinky     The historian also wants to set it up so people can search for books and documents in nearby universities and government historical archives. Hence koha
18:46 veryinky     Thanks. He's rather impressed with koha so far.
18:49 martinmorris i'm just checking this out myself and biblios.net has more records than i expected
18:49 martinmorris however, if i want to send any records direct to my system i'm not sure of which settings to put into my biblios.net account
18:49 jdavidb      For what your institution needs, it is *very* good.  Some of the things that still make some circulating libraries twitch just don't apply to you.  A little bit of time, and you can get it ticking along like a well-tuned watch for 'em.
18:53 martinmorris can anybody point me to some documentation there, i can't quite find the answer?
18:57 schuster     Generally I save them to the completed folder and later export them in MARC 21 and then use the Koha import function to get them into Koha.
18:58 schuster     There are lots of Large university collections so I suspect you may have a fairly good hit rate due to rare book collections.]
18:58 martinmorris that's fair enough
19:00 martinmorris but does koha have a way of directly accepting records?
19:28 richard      hi
19:28 imp          heyho
19:29 schuster     If you have control - local server - you can set it up I believe as a "send target" I think is what it was called - but I don't know how that works with indexing.
19:29 schuster     Schuster out - holiday work party meeting with 60 librarians.
20:12 * cait       need patient person to help with zebra problem
20:13 cait         can somebody help me with zebra? im out of ideas :(
20:13 brendan      cait - I'm around for a minute or two and if you paste your question maybe someone else will pop in
20:13 cait         zebraserver is running (user koha) and rebuild_zebra runs as crontab every 3 minutes
20:14 cait         I looked in zebra_queue tables and i see that new and updated records get in there
20:14 cait         and after indexing column done is changed from 0 to 1
20:14 cait         i see no problem and have no error message, but search does not work :(
20:15 cait         and hi brendan :)
20:15 brendan      cait if you type this -- ps -aef | grep zebra
20:16 brendan      do you have more than a few lines that appear?
20:16 brendan      sorry I mean on your command line
20:16 cait         koha      2620  2586  0 01:51 pts/0    00:00:00 zebrasrv -f /home/katrin/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
20:16 cait         koha      3760  3719  0 02:35 pts/1    00:00:00 grep --color=auto zebra
20:16 cait         no problem, thx for the command, my linux vocabulary is very small :)
20:18 brendan      cait - phone is ringing
20:18 brendan      be back later :(
20:18 cait         ok
20:18 cait         thx brendan
20:22 ricardo      Gotta go. Take care people!
20:24 cait         hm
20:24 cait         I start rebuild_zebra with -v, there are no errors, but this: 01:54:02-15/12 zebraidx(2723) [log] Records: 0 i/u/d 0/0/0
20:26 arturo8a_    hi cait
20:26 arturo8a_    do you put nozebra off in koha syspref?
20:26 cait         hi arturo8a_ no its on
20:27 cait         ok nozebra is off , so zebra is on :)
20:35 cait         other ideas?
20:38 cait         this is the third evening im working on this zebra problem - plz help me to fix it so I can start testing and writing patches ;)
21:08 cait         i solved part of the problem, can still not search, but zebraidx(2723) [log] Records: 0 i/u/d 0/4/0 now
21:12 cait         it works!
22:53 cait         good night #koha
22:58 Nate         good night #koha
23:10 brendan      be back in a bit koha :)