Time Nick Message 00:08 pianohackr|work Good night 00:46 owen *sigh* Zebra question. Anyone? 00:48 owen True there are many better things to think about on a Friday night 01:01 Genji Whats your question? 01:03 brendan howdy owen 01:03 owen Hey brendan, Genji 01:03 brendan zebra usually ends up everyones friday night 01:03 brendan :) 01:03 brendan owen - shoot away with your question 01:04 brendan and also are you going to code4lib? 01:04 owen I struggling with a problem I know I've tackled before: I can't get the zebra fast index to work 01:04 owen [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/home/oleonard/koha-dev/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied] 01:04 brendan that a permissions issue 01:04 brendan are you running the command as - the oleonard user? 01:05 brendan errr... which user are you currently logged on as 01:05 owen Yes 01:05 Genji Ya, have you always run reindexing as the user that zebraserver is running on? 01:05 brendan ok so then -- it should be something liek this 01:06 brendan chown -R oleonard:oleonard /home/oleonard/koha-dev/var/lock/zebrabd/biblios 01:06 brendan you may need to put a sudo in front of that 01:08 * owen tries it 01:08 * brendan has LOTR on in the backgrounf 01:09 brendan background 01:09 brendan a little call out to NZ :) 01:09 owen I have the books on the bookshelf behind me, does that count? 01:10 owen I'm always surprised at how long it takes rebuild_zebra.pl 01:10 brendan owen - you know that's how we came up with the name for our company 01:11 brendan how many records do you have in your database 01:12 Genji brendan: what company? 01:12 brendan http://bywatersolutions.com 01:13 Genji Wow, ceo. cool. 01:32 brendan Genji - where in NZ are you? 01:33 Genji Palmerston North 01:34 * brendan google maps 01:34 brendan @quote random 01:34 munin brendan: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 09:55 PM, June 11, 2009) 01:52 owen No luck running it as oleonard: [warn] previous transaction did not finish (shadow disabled) 01:53 owen I tried running it as the koha user and it finished without errors, but still no results from my search 01:53 brendan what flags are you using? 01:54 owen rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w 01:54 brendan -w (disables the shadow) 01:55 brendan do you remember which user you identified as the zebrauser - during your install (Makefile.PL) 01:55 brendan next time you run it -- try rebuild_zebra.pl -b -v 01:55 brendan -v 01:56 brendan -v ( is the more verbose) meaning you'll see more information as it runs 01:57 * owen is trying it with -v 01:59 owen Remind me next time to get zebra up and running *before* I import 10,000 records 02:05 brendan zebra+- 02:07 brendan @karma zebra 02:07 munin brendan: Karma for "zebra" has been increased 2 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 0. 02:12 owen Hmmm... working now. But I'm not sure whether the fast index was really failing or not, because it turns out the zebra server wasn't running 02:12 brendan hmmm... 02:12 owen I thought that was what I was doing when I ran "koha-zebra-ctl.sh start 02:13 brendan first I usually do this 02:13 brendan ps -aef | grep zebra 02:13 brendan if you seem more than one line -- your good 02:13 brendan s/seem/see 02:14 owen Yeah, I do see Zebra running, but I had to start the process from the command line. The daemon aparently didn't run 02:14 brendan ah - that makes sense 02:15 brendan you need to water, walk, and feed your zebra often 02:16 brendan what do you get when you, 02:17 brendan ls -lh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-ctl.sh 02:17 brendan should point you to the koha-dev file 02:19 owen What I have is /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/oleonard/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh 02:19 brendan looks right 02:19 owen (following the Debian Lenny INSTALL file) 02:20 brendan well for now when you turn your VM on -- just check to see if zebra is running 02:20 brendan one little trick that may help you out 02:20 brendan is if you type 02:20 brendan history 02:20 brendan at the command prompt, it will show you the last 300 or so commands you typed 02:21 brendan so you can easily copy and paste - the koha-zebra-ctl.sh start command 02:21 brendan instead of having to memorize that 02:22 owen Okay, enough zebraing for me for tonight. Thanks brendan! 02:22 brendan later owen - enjoy the weekend 02:42 si or if you use bash, you can do <ctrl-r>zeb 02:43 si to search your history 02:43 brendan hey si 02:43 si heya brendan 02:44 brendan how's your weekend going 02:44 si windy 02:44 brendan heh - rainy here 02:45 si been a pretty constant 60-80Kmh 02:45 si there were gusts forecast to 130Kmh 02:45 brendan do you know if they are still shooting the hobbit there? 02:45 si I've no idea 02:45 brendan don't they call wellington the windy city 02:45 si as in, are they shooting here at all, or have they finished? 02:45 * si has no idea wither way 02:45 brendan either 02:45 si yup, the windy city 02:46 si according to the met service site, we have 180 days a year where the wind is over 50Kmh 02:46 brendan heh 02:47 si Wellington averages 173 days a year with wind gusts greater than about 60 km/h or 32 knots. 02:47 si http://www.wwa.org.nz/Weather/How windy is Wellington.htm 02:49 si no smog though 02:49 si there's an upside to everything :-) 02:49 brendan :) 02:51 si ohh, 63Kmh is a gale 02:51 si in the formal sense 02:52 si that's why they measure it 02:56 chris_n2 evening 03:16 brendan evening chris_n2 04:49 chris_n2 @wunder 28334 04:49 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -3.6�C (11:43 PM EST on December 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Falling). 05:18 chris_n2 am I missing something or does the 'aqbudgets' table mysteriously appear between commits 6fb8ef0d79cc145e0e227a9cd8a606c50ebcea84 and a3dfe58e014c316687fffdc1a38b4c7618ba5cfc ? 07:24 CGI990 hi 07:32 indradg @wunder kolkata 07:32 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 24.0�C (12:20 PM IST on December 12, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 07:36 CGI990 z39.50 search is not working 07:36 CGI990 ResultsConnection failed to z3950.loc.govNothing found. Try another search. 07:37 CGI990 what is the problem? 07:45 CGI990 . 07:55 CGI990 can any body help me? 08:35 brendan http://www.coloradolibraries.org/2009/12/07/aspencat-is-up-and-running-libraries-unite/#comments 08:35 brendan with that 08:44 Genji Wow. that kicks butt, brendan. 08:45 Genji ByWater++ 08:45 Genji liblime-- 08:45 Genji @karma liblime 08:45 munin Genji: Karma for "liblime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 8 times for a total karma of -8. 08:51 chris ? 08:51 chris did brendan put a comment on? I cant see it? 09:02 Ropuch Morning #koha 09:24 chris hi Ropuch 09:24 Genji Nope.. but Engard, commenter 1, is ByWater 09:25 Genji http://bywatersolutions.com/?page_id=6 09:25 chris heh, yeah i know who nicole is :) 09:26 Genji So, hence the ByWater increase... 09:28 Genji I wonder when Aspencat will say 'oops'. 09:28 chris shes also biblibre 09:29 Genji Whats the story about Emerald? same story as LEK? 09:29 chris emerald? 09:29 Ropuch I'm afraid that part of libraries don't realy care if they're usuing open source or not 09:29 Genji one sec, maybe wrong name... 09:29 Genji One that begins with E... 09:30 Genji Evergreen 09:30 Genji Evergreen is similar in philosophy to LEK? 09:30 chris hell no 09:30 Ropuch No 09:30 chris Evergreen is free software 09:31 Ropuch AFAIK Evergreen is floss 09:31 chris like Koha 09:31 Genji Right. 09:31 chris yeah, thats why 2 Koha developers left liblime to work on evergreen when liblime was making them do proprietary work 09:31 * Ropuch is just reading through "Survey on open source integrated library system" 09:32 Ropuch chris: didn't know that 09:32 chris yep, galen the release manager now works for ESI doing evegreen, and so does atz (joe atzberger) 09:33 Genji how difficult is it to leave a company that made you do propietary work, to go do opensource, without tainting your new work? 09:33 chris not difficult at all 09:33 chris how would it taint? 09:34 chris they were doing opensource for a long time before that, were still doing it, and left when it became clear they wouldnt be able to do it anymore ... i cant possibly see any taint 09:35 Genji Fixing the same problems, the exact same way, adding features to opensource, the exact same way it was added in the propietary... 09:38 chris 1/ the are working on evegreen not koha 09:38 chris 2/ the code was still gpl'd just never released 09:38 chris so by both counts (or by either) the point is moot 09:39 Genji So.... a staff member of Liblime could leak the entire source of LEK, and would have no backlash from it, except possibly loosing their job at liblime? 09:40 chris probably could get sued 09:41 chris recreating that work on the other hand 09:41 Genji Yet LEK is gpl? 09:41 chris yes 09:41 chris but not distributed 09:41 Ropuch Genji: that the trick is 09:42 chris hence why any liblime clients running koha on their own servers will not be given the opportunity to run lek, it would then have been distributed and they could also distribute it 09:42 chris hence only offering it as hosted 09:43 Genji Right. Really against the spirit of gpl. 09:44 Genji Can't wait for their datacenter to go kablooey, or net connections broken down... 09:44 Genji Both have happened, in datacenter history. 09:44 Ropuch That's pretty immature ;-) 09:45 chris the main danger with LEK for libraries using it 09:45 Genji http://www.betanews.com/article/Fire-in-downtown-Seattle-data-center-knocks-out-businesses-online-services/1246640587 09:46 chris is they are now locked in to a small company, and if that company ceases to exist, they are stuck with an unsupportable product 09:46 chris seems incredibly dangerous when it runs your core business 09:46 Ropuch chris: yet LL still poiints out no-vendor-lock-in as a feature of their produscts ;> 09:46 Genji 5 people you say? 09:48 chris might be 7, no one knows 09:48 chris Ropuch: of course .. who would sign with them if they told the truth? 09:49 * chris sends another patch .. productive day 09:51 Ropuch When patches get into head? 09:52 chris thats up to the release manager 10:06 Genji hey, can anyone confirm that its a bad idea having apache running as root? 10:07 Ropuch It is bad idea ;> 10:07 Genji Right. 10:08 Genji I didn't do it, it wasn't me. Im the one cleaning up after it. 10:09 chris running anything as root, unless you really really have to is a bad idea 10:16 Genji i know, just checking. what about the seed process of an apache multithread? 10:17 chris that has to be run as root, to bind to port 80 10:17 chris but its child processes should be run as much lower privileged user 10:17 chris or you are asking for a rootkit 10:18 Genji huh. 10:19 Genji no, not askign for a rootkit. 10:19 chris running your apache threads as root, yep that's asking to be rootkitted 10:19 Genji back in a sec, switching to wireless. 10:20 Genji-Wireless What of Zebrasrv? bad idea to run as root? 10:23 chris yes 10:23 chris there is utterly no need to do so 10:25 Genji-Wireless and no excuse to do so. I suspect the person that was doing this, just couldn't work out why reindexing was failing. 10:26 chris highly likely 10:26 chris ok, time for sleep 10:28 Genji-Wireless Night Chris. sleep well. 10:28 Genji-Wireless chris++ 10:32 Ropuch Hi cait 10:37 cait Guten morgen Ropuch :) 10:50 * Ropuch is reading through http://progit.org/book 11:01 * cait is working on koha + virtualbox :) 11:05 Ropuch Whoa, it's 12 already 11:08 Ropuch I should start updating some websites, but learning git while testing & fixing koha code is much more interesting 11:08 cait I know that feeling 11:09 Ropuch ;> 11:09 Genji-Wireless I should be setting up my own git repo just for my own use, to manage versions. I actually have no idea how to start. 11:11 Ropuch Genji-Wireless: take a look at the progit book, really :) 11:12 Genji-Wireless website down? 11:13 Genji-Wireless okay, gotta sleep. mind fading in and out. night. 11:25 Ropuch http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ 11:25 Ropuch ;-)) 13:19 * chris_n2 notes that ben has shown up again 13:30 Ropuch Yup 13:31 Ropuch Hi chris_n2 ;> 13:31 chris_n2 hi Ropuch 13:31 chris_n2 @wunder 28334 13:31 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -1.4�C (8:28 AM EST on December 12, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa (Falling). 13:39 * chris_n2 just had to post his $0.02 worth 13:53 cait chris_n++ 14:04 hdl_laptop hi cait 14:13 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: am I missing something or does the 'aqbudgets' table mysteriously appear between commits 6fb8ef0d79cc145e0e227a9cd8a606c50ebcea84 and a3dfe58e014c316687fffdc1a38b4c7618ba5cfc ? 14:13 * chris_n2 worked on testing the updatedatabase patch you sent last evening 14:15 hdl_laptop chris_n2 table aqbudgets is the "new name" for aqbudget. 14:16 hdl_laptop Therefore I updated a3dfe58e014c316687f to rename that table and add the missing fields 14:18 hdl_laptop at first, the updatedatabase paul pushed was only creation of the table. 14:18 hdl_laptop But it was not really the best choice since then previous information for budgets, if any woudl have been lost. 14:18 cait h hdl_laptop :) 14:24 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: this might be the problem: my db does not have an 'aqbudget' table 14:24 chris_n2 bbiab 14:24 hdl_laptop ??? How comes ? 14:25 martinmorris hello, i'm upgrading to koha 3.04 but it's insisting on GD 2.39. Do I have to install an old version of the module? 14:27 hdl_laptop martinmorris: i don't think so. 14:27 martinmorris so I can just go ahead? 14:37 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: I'm not sure, but I'll have to add it and then re-test the patch 15:14 |Lupin| hi there 15:15 eiro hello |Lupin| 15:24 |Lupin| salut eiro ! :) la forme ? 15:42 eiro |Lupin|, yep! familly time ... watching a movie with the children, hidden under blankets 15:43 |Lupin| :) 15:44 |Lupin| eiro: how many children do you have ? 15:44 |Lupin| anyone who could help with g, pls ? 15:44 eiro Alixe and Guillaume ( 6 and 5 years old) 15:44 eiro g ? 15:44 |Lupin| 'd like to cherry-pick some patches, which instead of modify foo.pl should modify bar.pl is that possible ? 15:44 eiro git :) 15:45 |Lupin| (foo.pl has been renames dto ba.pl but git does not know about that) 15:45 eiro i'm not skilled with git: sorry 15:45 |Lupin| np eiro :) 15:45 |Lupin| yeah git, bad typer today 15:45 |Lupin| eiro: you have your domain of speciality already :) 15:46 Ropuch |Lupin|: you can change the file name in patch file manually 15:50 |Lupin| Ropuch: yeah but I've several commits to change and may overlook some of them, that's why I was looking for something more automatic. 15:51 |Lupin| I may be able to do some commits to rename the old file to the new one so that git knows about it... 15:51 Ropuch |Lupin|: you can always checkout to temp branch from your current one, rename the file, chery-pick patches you want 15:51 Ropuch format-paych and aplly it to your current ;> 15:52 Ropuch But simply renaming files looks like better solution 16:02 |Lupin| Ropuch: the problem is I'll rename the file because there is a file with same name in Koha: there is an additem.pl in Koha, I wrote another one which was called additem.pl so far, too. NOw I'd like to make things nicer, so I restored the additem.pl file as it is in Koha and added the modified version as additem-helene.pl. But now all the changes done to additem.pl willl have to be applied to additem-helene... 16:02 |Lupin| it's a mess I know... :/ 16:04 Ropuch HM 16:05 |Lupin| :/ 16:06 Ropuch |Lupin|: I'm newbie with git, but I'm quite sure you can fix things with some temporary branches & merge kung-fu [; 16:08 |Lupin| Ropuch: I guess merges are one thing I wanted to avoid, not exactly sure why... 16:09 Ropuch http://progit.org/book 16:10 Ropuch Really simple and useful (pictures included ;-) 16:10 Ropuch hm 16:11 Ropuch Aaa, now I;m curious how to solve it 16:11 Ropuch [; 16:12 |Lupin| Ropuch: well,pictures are not a good argument for me as a blind, but thanks a lot ! will give it a try anyway ! 16:15 |Lupin| Ropuch: ok... to make things even more funyy, in the meantime I configured my git to refuse commits when there are trailing whitespaces, and I started to fix them so the patches do not apply anymore... 16:16 Ropuch Huh 17:08 |Lupin| Ropuch: finally I think the less inconvenient way I've found is to git format-patch and then modify the generated files and then git am them 17:10 Ropuch Sound quite simple :) 17:11 Ropuch Oh, Chris has alredy sent patch for issuingrule sin updatedatabase 17:26 |Lupin| :) 17:26 |Lupin| actually I'm considering watching koha-patches much more seriously and examine each patch to see whether it should be applied on our branch o not 17:27 |Lupin| so far I was waiting til the patches were accepted inmaster 17:27 |Lupin| but I'm not sure it's a good idea 17:28 Ropuch Yup 17:34 Ropuch 'Removing redundant coma in updatedatabase' sounds lame ;> 17:35 Ropuch Although installer was throwing an error because of that 17:58 Ropuch Hello pianohackr|work 17:58 pianohackr|work hello 18:49 Ropuch Hm, updater seems to have some problems with budgets 18:57 chris_n2 g'afternoon 18:58 pianohackr|work Hi, chris_n2 18:58 pianohackr|work How's your weekend going? 18:59 chris_n2 busy :-) 18:59 chris_n2 and your's? 19:00 pianohackr|work Pretty good, doing server admin stuff 19:00 pianohackr|work What's keeping you busy? 19:27 |Lupin| hi again 19:27 pianohackr|work Hi, |Lupin| 19:29 chris_n2 pianohacker|work: set building and lighting design for an upcoming drama 19:33 |Lupin| hello jesse :) 19:42 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: is it correct that a custom theme works by overloading the "prog" theme, so that if one doesn't like something in a file of the prog theme, one just copies it at the same locaiton in the default theme and modify that copy ? 19:42 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: I think so, yes. You might have to copy the includes, js, css and image folders over to the custom theme, though 19:44 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: ah, yes, that's what I was suspecting... anyway since I can't test al that by myself I'll copy those folders anyway... 19:44 pianohackr|work k 19:45 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: for the includes I think it is not necessry: the template thing can take an include path and I think Koha defines this one correctly. 19:45 pianohackr|work Not sure on that one 19:45 pianohackr|work But you can test through a view-source 19:46 chris_n2 @later tell hdl_laptop running a fresh round of web installer throws this errror: "sample_budgets.sql ERROR 1146 (42S02) at line 1: Table 'kohatest.aqbudget' doesn't exist" 19:46 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded. 19:46 pianohackr|work testing_dbupgrades++ 19:48 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: actually I already did and that worked. 19:48 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: ah, ok. cool 19:51 chris_n2 hrmmm... missing line terminator at the end of an INSERT in sysprefs.sql 20:03 |Lupin| anyone knows if the recent acquisitions stuff has been integrated into master, pls ? 20:06 * chris_n2 squashes a few bugs as a small diversion from a busy schedule ;-) 20:07 |Lupin| :-) 20:08 cait Lupin: if recent acq stuff = biblibres new acq module, yes 20:21 |Lupin| cait: hmm I'm not sure... 20:22 |Lupin| cait: recent acquisitions is a link on the main page that lets readers see what has been recently added to the catalog... has that been integrated in master somehow ? 20:23 pianohackr|work oh, I don't think anyone has submitted that... 20:23 cait lupin: ok, not the new acq module :) no, this is not integrated I think 20:23 cait I think ptfs is working on a feature 20:23 pianohackr|work ah 20:23 cait I saw something on the mailinglist or here, not sure, but its not integrated and i saw no patches 20:24 cait hm 20:24 cait maybe I m wrong 20:25 cait http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-October/004729.html 20:25 |Lupin| cait: I'm gonna see... who is ptfs ? 20:25 pianohackr|work koha support company 20:26 |Lupin| aah 20:26 |Lupin| cait: yeah I tried this script but couldn't make it work actually 20:26 cait but the patch I found is from biblibre 20:27 |Lupin| there was a problem with date construction, and changing the date format syspref didn't solve the issue so I stopped trying, lack of time to debug 20:27 |Lupin| yep nahuel is from biblibre 20:27 |Lupin| anybody else tried this feature ? 20:31 chris_n2 @later tell hdl_laptop: disregard the previous note; there were several bugs in the en optional datasets as well as some duplicate INSERTS in sysprefs.sql; patches submitted to fix all 20:31 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded. 20:32 chris_n2 @later tell hdl_laptop However, I cannot now test the patch you sent as there is no need to update the db 20:32 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded. 20:33 |Lupin| chris_n2: too bad you do'nt have a dump of the old one... 20:34 chris_n2 |Lupin|: I do, but sadly it was missing key tables required for updatedatabase.pl to run correctly 20:35 chris_n2 I'm not sure where they were lost along the way, but this is after all my sandbox :-) 20:35 chris_n2 sometimes some of the sand goes away without me knowing it 20:37 |Lupin| :) 20:37 |Lupin| I'm wondering 20:38 |Lupin| how would you guys export a hundreed of patches to _one_ file you could then scp to another machine and apply to another repo ? 20:38 |Lupin| I'm talking about git commits, actually... 20:40 cait bye 20:41 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: Why not a simple git pull 20:41 pianohackr|work cait: bye 20:48 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: hmm... because the ssh access is easier in one way... 20:48 |Lupin| so perhaps I should push ? 20:49 pianohackr|work You can push, yes, though you'll have to do a git reset --hard on the other end to apply the changes to your working tree 20:49 pianohackr|work (carefully, of course, as git reset is a loaded gun) 20:52 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: yep... 20:52 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: but if a new branch has been added on the repofrom where the push is done, will it be propagated ? 20:53 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: and does it matter which are the active branches on both sides ? 20:53 pianohackr|work |Lupin|: You could always just push that one branch 20:53 pianohackr|work and no 20:59 |Lupin| pianohackr|work: oki, thanks 21:06 pianohackr|work bye 21:14 |Lupin| chris_n2: around ? 21:38 |Lupin| someone around ? 21:38 |Lupin| looking for feedback about member search and the new filter feaure... 22:07 |Lupin| okay, enough work for today good night