Time  Nick          Message
23:59 pianohacker   (I think ccl)
23:59 pianohacker   Genji: yaz-client uses PQF (the @attr stuff) by default; you would need to set it to ccl syntax to search using word indexes
23:58 pianohacker   Genji: What about a plain find @attr 1=31 1981 ?
23:57 Genji         Im guessing, the default 'find' is word index based?
23:57 Genji         Not really, just explicitly say that Im looking for equality. with 4=109, 2=4 is successful (no result when there should be though)
23:56 pianohacker   What is the @attr 2=3 for? I'm guessing it's a comparison attribute, but why is it necessary?
23:55 Genji         For 31.
23:55 Genji         Unsupported Use attribute
23:55 Genji         find @attr 1=31 @attr 2=3 1981
23:55 Genji         No results, search successful. There should be results.
23:54 Genji         find @attr 1=31 @attr 2=3 @attr 4=109 1981
23:54 Genji         open localhost:9999 (sucessful, im in)
23:54 Genji         auth koha kohap
23:52 pianohacker   Genji: What is the exact procedure you're using to search?
23:52 Genji         Without 4=109.. I get Unsupported Use Attribute.
23:51 Genji         okay, just reindexed with 260$c pubdate:n, pubdate:s ..... im getting no results with 4=109
23:47 Genji         hdl_laptop's paste showed up in google.
23:46 Genji         Wow.. google has started doing almost realtime updates.
23:25 pianohacker   It depends a lot on where we go after noche buena (dec 24th)
23:24 pianohacker   To be sure, we need to get it out there
23:23 * Genji       nods.... "So, its likely more people will get ensnared in Liblime unknowingly?"
23:22 pianohacker   Demonizing liblime, as utterly tempting as it might be, would probably only cause them to dig in further and make any reconciliation more difficult
23:22 pianohacker   Calmly putting out the facts might help
23:21 pianohacker   Genji: Would depend heavily on the tone :)
23:21 chris         its only defamation if its not true
23:21 Genji         Creating a webpage to out all this publicly, would be classed defamation?
23:21 pianohacker   technicalities---
23:20 * Genji       nods. "I feel your pain."
23:20 chris         i hear that
23:18 pianohacker   Regardless of how much of a part we played, it is still annoying
23:18 pianohacker   I'm particularly annoyed because me and two coworkers have been demonstrating and pushing open-source to ASCC and CLiC (a supporting group) for about a year now, and demoing koha, and really trying to encourage a move to Koha by ASCC through liblime which was at the time trustworthy
23:16 pianohacker   late
23:16 * pianohacker is coming to the discussion of ascc's go-live
23:03 SelfishMan    well, link is valid just ignore the wget junk ;-P
23:03 SelfishMan    ah, dammit
23:03 SelfishMan    I moved the wiki archive if anyone still needs it.  New address is wget -O /dev/null http://cdn.bitl.in/wiki.koha.org-12042009.tar.bz2
22:58 ian           asks all and sundry: how do you ask for the biblionumbers of all items from the reserves tables for where there are, say 10 or more reserves on the bib?
22:01 Genji         suppose i could take away its W.
22:00 hdl_laptop    Good night
22:00 hdl_laptop    maybe it is also indexed as w and messed the stuff.
21:59 hdl_laptop    and not w ?
21:59 hdl_laptop    have you checked it was indexed as n ?
21:59 hdl_laptop    annoying.
21:58 Genji         hdl_laptop: Yes, pubdate is being indexed.
21:57 hdl_laptop    Going to bed now.
21:57 hdl_laptop    have you checked 260$c is indexed as pubdate ?
21:50 Genji         Hmm.... everything was changed from copydate to pubdate instead. In bib1.att, and record.abs
21:49 brendan       at least from my record.abs
21:49 brendan       copydate                [yyyy]          (260$c, indexed in word and sort indexes)
21:48 brendan       so I think your going to want to change that to search the copydate
21:48 brendan       which is pulled from 008/7-10, indexed in year,word,num,sort indexes
21:48 brendan       advance search in the opac - is for pubdate
21:47 Genji         brendan: the library im working for, put pubdate in 260$c
21:47 hdl_laptop    It is in numeric.chr
21:47 brendan       pubdate is in the leader 008
21:47 Genji         hmm.. whats Breaking characters?
21:47 brendan       Genji - I believe 260$c is the copydate
21:46 hdl_laptop    see http://paste.workbuffer.org/83
21:45 Genji         Ah. Whats your record.abs line for pubdate?
21:44 hdl_laptop    Genji: I donot have any 008 : Unimarc
21:44 Genji         im dealing with pubdate inside of 260$c...
21:44 owen          Ropuch: That was either a returning troll or a returning bot
21:44 Genji         hdl_laptop: ya.... but thats pubdate inside 008.
21:41 Ropuch        Am I interested in computer software? It's like asking if I'm interested in eating food
21:41 hdl_laptop    And it worked.
21:41 Ropuch        wow
21:41 hdl_laptop    Genji: I tried your search.
21:40 pastebot      "hdl_laptop" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "searching dates with relational elements" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/82
21:40 CGI508        hey ropuch! Do u have an interest in computer software?
21:39 Ropuch        Hello Nelson
21:38 CGI508        hey guys
21:37 CGI508        hi my name is nelson
21:37 Ropuch        I must have messed something, i have 3932 total in opac when other langauages have 5865
21:34 Ropuch        Indeed [;
21:34 chris         cool
21:33 Ropuch        But i have the rights to change translations, thanks :)
21:33 Ropuch        And I was sure same should appear by 3.2
21:32 Ropuch        chris: sorry, you're right: I have "Administrate" link near 3.0 projects
21:32 wizzyrea      (and I sent the instructions on how to fix it to them)
21:32 wizzyrea      (I did get a one day turnaround on a SIP config change last week, but that was abnormal(
21:31 wizzyrea      Genji: if by support you mean helping resolve issues related to your koha install, then little support is correct.
21:30 chris         you have overview, archive, view, suggest, translate,compile po files rights
21:30 Ropuch        Hm
21:30 chris         Ropuch: yes i did that last night when you asked :)
21:30 Nate          scratch that...sorry
21:29 chris         Nate: 2 migrations?
21:29 cait          good night #koha
21:29 chris         i thought i already did that last night?
21:28 Ropuch        chris: can you give me admin rights  to polish 3.2 translations?
21:28 Nate          whos got 2 migrations?
21:24 Genji         The email on Koha suggest little support. if any.
21:23 chris         only LL customers could tell you that
21:21 Genji         LL support = no support?
21:18 chris         yeah, i hope thats not the case
21:18 Ropuch        The other sad option is that they just don't care
21:12 chris         well yeah, they have probably signed a 3 year deal or something
21:12 Genji         might be too late, already.
21:12 chris         they'll figure it out
21:04 Genji         Think someone should tell them?
21:03 chris         and i wonder if ASCC even realise they don't have Koha
21:02 chris         i dont think the number matters it the lack of ethics and lies that matter
21:02 chris         so maybe 7
21:02 chris         then ryan as well, and susan
21:01 chris         joshua, tina, marc, bev, cecilia, maria
21:01 Genji         Okay, at least 5..... supporting how many libraries?
21:01 chris         but not just one
21:01 chris         (lots less than the 16 or so)
21:01 chris         there are at least 5 people at liblime
21:01 chris         no its not
20:59 Genji         Its possibly just one guy.
20:57 pie           I can't believe they're still talking about Open Source, when nothing they do is related at all
20:55 cait          :(
20:54 chris         so does that line
20:54 chris         LibLime Enterprise Koha is built on over two years of completed customer-sponsored development, including several highly-anticipated academic and consortia features.
20:54 Ropuch        Same as "no vendor loc-in" as a part of LEK features
20:53 chris         it makes me angry
20:53 Ropuch        But still it makes me nervous ;>
20:53 Ropuch        I know
20:53 chris         its true
20:53 Genji         Ya, noticed that.
20:52 Ropuch        LibLime and the LibLime logo, Koha and LibLime Enterprise Koha are either registered trademarks or trademarks of LibLime.
20:51 Genji         liblime--
20:51 Genji         idiots...
20:47 chris         liblime--
20:47 chris         http://blog.cr2.in/2009/12/07/liswire-ascc-consortium-in-colorado-now-live-on-liblime-enterprise-koha/
20:40 Genji         hdl_laptop: used prefix language too.. same result.
20:40 hdl_laptop    (well, in fact I used pqf search directly)
20:40 hdl_laptop    so I am surprised.
20:40 hdl_laptop    I used st-year with success with relationals.
20:39 Genji         hdl_laptop: Indexed field by y and n..... st-numeric= doesn't work... st-year only works if its =, doesn't support relationals either.
20:39 hdl_laptop    It is quite surprising.
20:39 hdl_laptop    i saw you tried with date and it was a semi success.
20:38 Genji         hdl_laptop: im trying to do ,st-numeric,ge but get relational not supported.
20:37 owen          thanks hdl_laptop, I'll have to look into it when I'm back on that computer.
20:37 hdl_laptop    Genji: ask.
20:37 hdl_laptop    owen: I think virtualbox can be told which IP to set to a virtual machine. If not, you could add your localmachine to /etc/hosts and use the name you choos in /etc/hosts
20:35 hdl_laptop    depends
20:34 Genji         Anyone know Zebra innards here?
20:31 owen          VirtualBox
20:31 hdl_laptop    mmm is it a VirtualBox or a VMware virtual box ?
20:29 owen          I'm not sure about ssh://localmachine when the local machine is a virtual one.
20:27 hdl_laptop    owen: clearer ?
20:27 hdl_laptop    git rebase owen/branchyouworkon
20:26 hdl_laptop    git remote update owen
20:26 hdl_laptop    and you have a cron which does :
20:26 hdl_laptop    git remote add owen ssh://localmachine/mylocalrepo
20:25 hdl_laptop    on the remote repo you add a remote source
20:25 owen          Still confused. I don't understand how changes to my local branch are making it to the remote repo
20:25 hdl_laptop    at least it is my experience, maybe chris or #git can confirm.
20:24 hdl_laptop    I say so because pushing or making a hook in your machine A doesnot seem to be the correct way to do things.
20:23 hdl_laptop    is it somewhat clearer ?
20:23 hdl_laptop    which updates regularly the code of machine B based on machine A
20:22 hdl_laptop    you can have a cronjob
20:22 hdl_laptop    and machine B has a clone of this repository and has a branch Mylocalblabla tracking branch blabla of machine A
20:21 hdl_laptop    lets say machine A contains branch blabla
20:21 owen          Can you explain?
20:20 hdl_laptop    I think you could do it with regular git pull --rebase from a repository.
20:20 hdl_laptop    about your remote server.
20:19 hdl_laptop    or confirm
20:19 hdl_laptop    but chris_n can object.
20:19 hdl_laptop    only because chris_n heavily rewrote this part, and it should make its way, and i think he had no time to adapt those tests to what he wrote.
20:17 owen          But yeah, why wouldn't I want to print labels? :)
20:17 owen          I was just curious about how to analyze those errors. Those were actually someone else's errors (he left)
20:16 hdl_laptop    owen: the "make test" pastebin reported no real blocker error, unless you want to print labels.
20:12 hdl_laptop    hi chris
20:06 veryinky      :|
19:48 richard       hi
19:44 owen          I can set up a remote git repo, but I'm not sure what the correct procedure is for syncing with it
19:44 owen          Now that I'm working on VM's instead of a remote server I'm thinking about how to coordinate my work with git
19:43 * cait        translating :)
19:42 chris         hiya cait
19:39 cait          hi chris
19:36 chris         back
19:25 joetho        good enough for me. Thanks nicole engard and MERRY CHRISTMAS MONTH!
19:21 nengard       it's the 3.0x working branch
19:21 nengard       I think you want this one: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha-maintenance.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql;h=11cfbc9c53a45725db55e25514b4c0cf80edc8dd;hb=HEAD
19:20 nengard       joetho that's for HEAD - meaning the working branch where we're all submitting patches and such
19:19 nengard       pianohacker - did you know about the new sys prefs added by the recent biblibre updates? if not should I bug report them to you so you know to add them to the sys prefs additions?
19:19 joetho        ( table structure )
19:19 joetho        http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob_plain;f=installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql;hb=HEAD
19:19 joetho        I use this as my reference for making up reports- is it the current one for version 3.01?
19:18 cait          :)
19:18 nengard       and just telling you all so i can take a break from staring at the docs :) hehe
19:18 nengard       k - done with the cataloging bibs & items documentation ... moving along nicely
19:07 cait          hi pianohacker, hi all
19:07 pianohacker   hi, cait
18:42 * chris       goes to catch his bus
18:42 brendan       heh
18:42 owen          Aye aye Cap'n.
18:41 chris         at the moment, there is no way for you to know owen, so its best to just ignore it and continue
18:41 chris         well, really nothing should fail except maybe the database tests (if you dont have a database set up) so tests failing should actually be a bug and should be fixed ... or actually be a problem, the user shouldnt have to guess wether its a safe fail or not
18:36 owen          How does one know whether a failure is worth worrying about?
18:36 pianohacker   The date tests seem to fail a lot, for no appreciable reason
18:34 pianohacker   Depends on the failures
18:30 owen          I'm still curious about CGI985's question if anyone knows the answer: If "make test" shows some failures, should one be concerned?
18:10 CGI985        hi
18:10 pianohacker   Hallo
17:55 CGI985        so should I continue and skip or fixed it
17:55 CGI985        can any body guide me that I notice some erros during make test
17:54 CGI985        Im waiting for response of any
17:49 CGI985        hi any one??
17:44 CGI985        is any one there to suggest me?
17:36 CGI985        'make test' show some failed. is it error or not?  http://pastebin.org/61840
17:35 munin         brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 8.9�C (9:32 AM PST on December 07, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Falling).  High wind watch in effect from this evening through late tonight...
17:35 brendan       @wunder 93117
17:32 * owen        will take his answer off the air
17:26 owen          I second the question. How concerned should one be about problems reported by 'make test' ?
17:19 CGI985        'make test' show some failed. is it error or not?  http://pastebin.org/61840
17:11 owen          Yup. Bug report averted.
17:11 owen          Hmmm... probably messed up my branch tables
17:10 CGI985        brendan: here is still night
17:10 nengard       owen - nope - I see my branch a-ok
17:09 * nengard     done with podcast
17:01 owen          Anyone else finding that they're not shown their logged-in branch in the staff client in the latest HEAD?
17:01 owen          I'm not working on it at the moment. That was on my VM at home.
17:00 brendan       hey owen - how's your install going?
17:00 owen          Hi brendan
16:58 brendan       morning all
16:14 owen          Howdy works :)
16:10 hdl_laptop    howdy ?
16:10 hdl_laptop    hi owen
16:10 owen          Hi hdl_laptop
16:09 hdl_laptop    you are not
16:09 owen          Someone please correct me if I'm wrong
16:09 * nengard     on library 2.0 gang call
16:09 owen          sudo apt-get install libpdf-reuse-barcode-perl
16:08 owen          sudo cpan IPC::Cmd GD::Barcode::UPCE
16:07 owen          IPC::Cmd doesn't have a package, so it must be installed via CPAN
16:07 owen          Can anyone confirm?
16:07 owen          It's recommended to use the Debian package wherever possible. That's why I asked about whether libgd-gd2-perl == "GD 2.39"
15:59 CGI985        Ropuch:http://pastebin.org/61798
15:58 Ropuch        CGI985: remind me what madules you're missing
15:58 CGI985        owen: could u guide me plz, as Im confused yet...
15:56 CGI985        but how can I install ?
15:56 owen          Sounds like that is recommended.
15:56 CGI985        so I have to 1st install dependencies
15:55 owen          Yes
15:55 CGI985        owen: r u there?
15:50 nengard       hmmm - we need to explain that further - and you're right they shouldn't be on by default
15:49 owen          I don't. http://www.jasig.org/cas maybe?
15:48 nengard       do you know what CAS is?
15:48 owen          The CAS authentication stuff needs to be turned off, then logging in and out works.
15:48 nengard       oh okay - was just gonna give you the link :)
15:47 owen          Yeah, just modified it
15:47 nengard       the log out thing
15:47 nengard       owen - i reported a bug for that
15:44 owen          That doesn't seem like something that should be filled by default
15:44 owen          Oh, because there's a URL listed in the casServerUrl system pref
15:42 owen          it's trying to redirect me to another port
15:42 owen          Weird logout error in the latest OPAC
15:35 nengard       :)
15:35 nengard       owen - while you do that - want to find out what tags I use to get code to appear as code in docbook? I found a bunch of contradicting things and none seem to look right
15:25 * owen        twiddles his thumbs and waits for his patrons to import
15:23 CGI985        owen: I was away from my pc, now Im reading
15:23 nengard       owen you're right - I did it - it's all my fault - bug removed and off to fix documentation
15:22 Ropuch        nengard: /cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl?tab=StaffClient
15:22 nengard       oh - did I do that myself? off to check my preferences - hehe -silly me
15:22 owen          Or is that something new in 3.2?
15:22 owen          nengard: I mean is that a customization in the intranetuserjs system pref?
15:21 nengard       can't find a thing
15:21 nengard       guess i was wrong
15:21 nengard       thought this would be an easy fix
15:21 nengard       owen - one more :) where is intranetuserjs?
15:21 owen          CGI985: Did you get your missing prerequisites installed?
15:21 owen          I can remember that but I can't remember [x number of important things]
15:20 CGI985        owen: Im here
15:19 nengard       thanks
15:19 nengard       hehe
15:19 nengard       ah
15:19 owen          nengard: intranetuserjs?
15:19 nengard       grr - okay where is the link to the self checkout page? it's on my login page - but not on auth.tmpl
15:18 owen          So a download from LOC didn't work?
15:17 nengard       no - but that's cause i couldn't find a file that worked - i think
15:17 owen          nengard: I'm curious if you got your authorities import to work?
15:17 nengard       thanks owen
15:17 owen          nengard: modules/auth.tmpl
15:16 nengard       can someone point me to the template file for the staff login page?
15:16 jdavidb       well, that's an improvement, at least.
15:14 wizzyrea      my hubs is still sick-ish, and we're all still coughing a bit, but no more fever
15:13 owen          Does libgd-gd2-perl == "GD 2.39" as reported missing by Makefile.PL?
15:11 owen          gmcharlt is looking out for us
15:10 owen          Heh: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539905
15:10 masonj        i cant actually see it there.. :/
15:10 masonj        http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ipc&searchon=names&suite=stable&section=all
15:09 jdavidb       Hi, wizzyrea!  Everyone get well over the weekend?
15:09 owen          masonj: Shouldn't you be in bed? :)
15:08 owen          masonj: For the debian package? Or does there not exist a debian package for it?
15:08 owen          Hi wizzyrea
15:08 masonj        owen:  IPC::Cmd is the correct name
14:57 owen          Ropuch: I mean if one were to do "apt-get install XX" I'm always confused about whether a package doesn't exist or whether I'm just not finding it on packages.debian.org
14:56 Ropuch        owen: IPC::Open2, IPC::Open3, IPC::Cmd) which are in fact in standard Perl distribution so they can be used without worries.
14:55 owen          CGI985: You still around?
14:53 owen          Anyone know the correct package name for IPC::Cmd ?
14:51 magnusenger   ...and if it isn't: fix the problems before proceeding
14:50 owen          So, CGI985, I guess that's your answer
14:50 * jdavidb     agrees with magnusenger.
14:50 magnusenger   um, i would install the prerequisites, then run Makefile.PL again to see if it's satisfied
14:47 owen          So if Makefile.PL returns warnings about missing prerequisites, one should continue with the Koha install, but install the missing prerequisites after?
14:38 Ropuch        As long as my library is up and running I consider instal a full success ;>
14:37 owen          But then again my install wasn't entirely successful :)
14:37 Ropuch        Same here
14:37 owen          Hm, could be. The warning I got was about an outdated version (.401)
14:36 Ropuch        I have 0.41
14:36 Ropuch        owen: i thinks IPC:Cmd is actually a must, but the version number don't need to match
14:36 owen          install.pl line 15 "use IPC::Cmd;"
14:35 Ropuch        grep IPC::Cmd returns only 4 file
14:35 owen          Looks like it's used by the installer. You'd think that would be important
14:33 Ropuch        IPC::Cmd - finding and running system commands made easy, sounds important ;>
14:32 owen          I wonder what it's for?
14:31 Ropuch        owen: my library is working on install without IPC::Cmd dependency fulfilled
14:21 owen          I should say so masonj
14:20 masonj        3am here, i am done..
14:19 CGI985        owen:ok..
14:18 owen          I'm interested in finding out the answer to your question too
14:18 owen          CGI985: Sometimes you just have to be patient and wait for the next expert to become available
14:17 CGI985        masonj r u there?
14:17 CGI985        is any one there to guide me?/
14:12 CGI985        warning are pasted on http://pastebin.org/61798
14:09 CGI985        ropuch ipc::Cmd and three others
14:09 owen          Ropuch: Can move on?
14:09 Ropuch        CGI985: be back in 30 minutes - but if you're missing IPC::Cmd you can move on
14:09 owen          CGI985: I wonder if you got the same message: http://old.nabble.com/A-couple-of-Debian-install-questions-td26658585.html
14:08 CGI985        ropuch: r u with me...
14:07 Ropuch        Hi owen
14:07 Ropuch        What dependencies are you missing?
14:07 owen          CGI985: I was trying an install on Debian over the weekend and ran into the same thing: warnings about prerequisites not installed
14:07 CGI985        may I move forward
14:07 CGI985        masonj
14:05 CGI985        it show some warning, may I carry on.
14:05 CGI985        perl Makefile.PL
14:04 masonj        ahh, ok
14:00 CGI985        thz y I switched to debian. and I m new in linux
13:59 CGI985        masonj: I have succefully installed koha2.9 on windows but z39.50 was not working in windows
13:58 CGI985        ok
13:58 masonj        type 'dev', then press the enter key
13:57 CGI985        and when I want to change it, it is not changing
13:57 CGI985        masonj:how can I select dev. it is bydefault standard
13:55 gmcharlt_     hitting the road; offline for a few hours
13:54 jwagner       Good morning, owen
13:51 owen          Hi #koha
13:48 CGI985        sure.. Im now more consious
13:47 masonj        i suspect a typo with them
13:47 masonj        double-check your directory paths
13:46 masonj        you did a good job , so far !
13:45 masonj        yep, no problemo ;)
13:45 CGI985        thnx for encouraging. hope u will b around if any prob occur
13:45 masonj        keep trying you are close.. :)
13:44 masonj        http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage
13:44 CGI985        ok
13:44 masonj        yep
13:44 masonj        its what most developers use
13:44 CGI985        masonj:  and should I overide on current one
13:44 masonj        try a 'dev' install
13:43 masonj        reinstall koha
13:43 CGI985        wht should I do reinstall
13:42 kf            pootle is moody
13:42 masonj        you cannot complete yr install until you fix this error
13:42 masonj        try some fresh reinstalls
13:41 masonj        you have a tricky typo somewhere
13:41 jwagner       OK, thanks.
13:40 nengard       jwagner - colin does - that's why i included you both in that bug report :)
13:40 masonj        descibing your problem
13:40 jwagner       I don't have a system updated to current head yet.
13:40 masonj        send an email 'Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz'
13:40 jwagner       nengard, sounds like something got reversed in the updated head -- gmcharlt, check?
13:39 nengard       i'm going through and working on the documentation for 3.2 and as I do I find these little things
13:39 nengard       jwagner it worked a-ok before that upgrade
13:39 CGI985        masonj: then wht steps?
13:39 masonj        i cant explain how to do that simply, its complex ;)
13:39 nengard       jwagner yup
13:38 munin         04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3868 major, P5, ---, colin.campbell@ptfs-europe.com, NEW, Patron Messages Appearing in Both Places
13:38 jwagner       Your report on Bug 3868 -- is this with the newest head?
13:38 nengard       jwagner yup
13:38 masonj        re/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 666.
13:38 masonj        Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/sha
13:38 masonj        The following fatal error has occurred:
13:38 jwagner       nengard, online?
13:37 CGI985        masonj: plz tell me simply
13:37 CGI985        I m not understanding ur this sentence "the next thing *i* would do i turn up the DBI logging , on line 665"
13:37 nengard       hi all - anyone know what a CAS login is? I'm seeing this on my OPAC now...
13:35 CGI985        this is the note from documentation of install.debian-lenny
13:35 masonj        the next thing *i* would do i turn up the DBI logging , on line 665
13:34 masonj        pass ?
13:32 CGI985        plz read this not... whtz its meaning? http://pastebin.org/61782
13:31 CGI985        ok so should I go forward to complete installation
13:30 masonj        ok, i have run out of ideas :/
13:29 CGI985        mysql>
13:29 CGI985        mysql -u kohaadmin  -p12 koha
13:29 CGI985        yes I get it
13:28 masonj        sure..
13:28 CGI985        so should i press ctrl-z
13:27 masonj        its not supposed to complete
13:27 CGI985        ?
13:27 CGI985        mean>
13:27 CGI985        I dont know
13:27 masonj        erm
13:27 CGI985        no it is in process since long
13:27 masonj        ?
13:27 masonj        it doesnt complete :/
13:26 CGI985        tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log
13:26 CGI985        still i previous command have not completed, but still in process
13:25 masonj        you get that?
13:25 masonj        .
13:25 masonj        mysql>
13:25 masonj        Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer.
13:25 masonj        Server version: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 (Debian)
13:25 masonj        Your MySQL connection id is 1774
13:25 masonj        Welcome to the MySQL monitor.  Commands end with ; or \g.
13:25 masonj        this works for you?
13:25 masonj        mysql -u kohaadmin  -p12 koha
13:24 masonj        so...
13:24 CGI985        I run tail command since long but still in process, so Im waiting for see its result
13:24 masonj        <pass>12</pass>
13:24 masonj        http://pastebin.org/61770
13:24 masonj        yr conf does too..
13:23 CGI985        but conf?
13:23 CGI985        db have 12 passwd
13:23 masonj        me asks a silly question...
13:21 masonj        in both yr conf file , and your db?
13:21 masonj        err, is your password actually '12'?
13:20 masonj        http://pastebin.org/61763
13:20 masonj        ah , this error..
13:19 masonj        what error?
13:19 Ropuch        ;>
13:19 Ropuch        without leading $
13:19 masonj        $ tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log
13:19 CGI985        when I try to restart apache, it show the same error
13:19 masonj        $ lynx 10.1.2.36:80
13:18 masonj        restart apache and mysql ...
13:17 CGI985        ok
13:17 masonj        theres a space there...
13:16 masonj        '-f  /'
13:16 CGI985        masonj: this command is not working 'tail -f/var/log/koha-opac-error_log'
13:12 CGI985        this command is not working ' tail: invalid option--/
13:11 masonj        ... to complete the install
13:10 masonj        koha user needs access to your DB
13:10 masonj        solve this problem
13:09 masonj        look in your log file....
13:09 CGI985        masonj: wht should I do now? should I run remaining commands of koha installation or first solve this problem
13:09 masonj        tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log
13:08 masonj        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_(software_bundle)
13:08 masonj        many people in your region understand LAMP :)
13:08 CGI985        mean?
13:08 masonj        koha is just a LAMP app
13:06 CGI985        here in my region no one is using koha, so no one b available to see my work
13:06 masonj        sort of
13:04 CGI985        masonj: r u there?
12:57 veryinky      Blarg. Why do I keep forgetting to log off from computers.
12:54 masonj        look at this file for other errors..
12:53 masonj        tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log
12:53 masonj        look out for path errors
12:52 masonj        ask a friend to look at your work
12:51 masonj        restart apache and mysql ...
12:51 masonj        everything looks pretty good
12:50 CGI985        so wht should I do now?
12:50 masonj        your password is correct?
12:50 CGI985        masonj: plz dont mind, Im going and will be back in 10 mins]
12:50 masonj        looks good
12:48 CGI985        http://pastebin.org/61770
12:47 masonj        your user:password:db in there need to be the same
12:47 masonj        now look in /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
12:46 masonj        goood
12:46 CGI985        yeah Im now in mysql>
12:46 masonj        works?
12:45 masonj        $ mysql -u kohaadmin -pxxxxx koha
12:45 CGI985        flush privileges was also done successfully
12:45 masonj        correct
12:45 CGI985        but there is no tables inside koha
12:45 masonj        mysql> flush privileges;
12:44 masonj        good!
12:44 CGI985        koha is there
12:44 CGI985        it is there?
12:44 CGI985        yeah
12:43 masonj        | information_schema |
12:43 masonj        +--------------------+
12:43 masonj        | Database           |
12:43 masonj        +--------------------+
12:43 masonj        mysql> show databases;
12:43 masonj        Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec)
12:43 CGI985        where should I search  koha db??
12:43 masonj        do you have a koha db?
12:43 masonj        Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec)
12:43 masonj        mysql> create database koha;
12:42 CGI985        yeah
12:42 masonj        is your grant successfull?
12:42 CGI985        I have done it but it show same error
12:42 masonj        choose a password that matches the password in "/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml"
12:41 CGI985        masonj:
12:40 masonj        no < or > , ok?
12:40 masonj        > grant all on 'koha'.* to 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' identified by 'xxxxx';
12:38 CGI985        should I give any password or keep same as mysql or debian
12:38 CGI985        masonj: wht do u mean, im not understanding
12:36 masonj        the '<' and '>' are incorrect, i think :/
12:36 masonj        '<kohadatabaseuserpassword>';
12:36 masonj        ahhhhh
12:36 * kf          fighting with translation
12:35 kf            table des matières?
12:35 masonj        your **password** :)
12:35 CGI985        wht should place here
12:34 CGI985        wht should I do  '<kohadatabaseuserpassword>'
12:34 masonj        when that works , koha error with go...
12:34 masonj        $ mysql -u kohaadmin -pPASSWORD kohadb
12:33 masonj        do that?
12:33 masonj        mysql> flush privileges;
12:33 masonj        yep, then test access from the commandline ;)
12:32 CGI985        I replace koha instead of kohadatabasename and kohaadmin instead of kohadataseuser
12:31 masonj        do it again...
12:31 CGI985        but I have followed this steps
12:30 masonj        mysql> grant all on <kohadatabasename>.* to '<kohadatabaseuser>'@'localhost' identified by '<kohadatabaseuserpassword>';
12:30 masonj        create a user , give the user access to that db..
12:30 masonj        you need to create a db, in mysql
12:29 masonj        http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian-lenny;h=2d2997a7eacb6053980232a96cff5f04c190b52b;hb=HEAD#l121
12:29 CGI985        what?
12:28 masonj        and you have a common problem
12:28 masonj        that means your apache is working
12:28 masonj        good
12:27 masonj        that file..
12:27 CGI985        this result occur http://pastebin.org/61763
12:27 masonj        $ ls -l  /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
12:26 masonj        i suspect your 000-default file is overridding it
12:26 CGI985        when I try lynx 10.1.2.36:80
12:26 masonj        fyi: your apache's koha.conf file does look OK
12:24 masonj        $ sudo apache2ctl  -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS
12:24 masonj        ahhhh, this is very handy for debugging your apache conf problem
12:22 CGI985        yes Im getting it
12:21 masonj        yep, if you dont have the program , get it ;)
12:21 masonj        $ sudo apt-get install lynx
12:21 CGI985        It show above
12:21 CGI985        command not found
12:20 masonj        try that...
12:20 masonj        $ lynx 10.1.2.36:80
12:18 CGI985        http://pastebin.org/61760
12:17 masonj        pastebin the file, i look...
12:16 masonj        ?
12:16 CGI985        is it same ??
12:16 CGI985        "koha"
12:16 CGI985        already there is one file  name "koha:
12:16 masonj        you have any koha files in there ?
12:16 masonj        $  ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
12:15 masonj        then restart apache
12:14 masonj        you need to put a koha-httpd.conf file in /etc/apache/sites-enabled
12:14 CGI985        yeah
12:13 masonj        your apache2 is running , and working
12:13 CGI985        so should I continue further process of koha
12:13 imp           it's still just a warning...
12:13 masonj        its a warning
12:13 masonj        as someone said, its *not* an error
12:12 CGI985        http://pastebin.org/61757
12:11 masonj        me also
12:11 CGI985        masong: Im not getting
12:11 masonj        ok
12:11 CGI985        no
12:10 masonj        or did you already?
12:10 masonj        now, paste in that url into your chat window....
12:10 masonj        great.....
12:09 CGI985        masonj: I have posted
12:06 masonj        use pastebin.org ;)
12:06 masonj        well, wots yr error?
12:06 CGI985        so why not it is restarting
12:06 CGI985        masonj: it is working like http://pastebin.org/61755
12:03 masonj        thats a non-working / stopped apache2
12:03 masonj        http://pastebin.org/61756
12:01 masonj        thats a working apache2
12:01 masonj        http://pastebin.org/61755
12:00 imp           wb kf
11:59 CGI985        and when I want to run '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' it show error
11:58 CGI985        masonj: I type this command but how can I understand that apache is working
11:55 kf            back
11:38 masonj        $ sudo apache2ctl  fullstatus
11:38 masonj        oooohhh..
11:37 masonj        sudo apache2ctl  status
11:37 masonj        or
11:36 masonj        $ps -ef|grep apache
11:29 CGI985        as I type localhost it show it works
11:29 CGI985        ?
11:29 CGI985        how can I check that whether apache is running or not
11:29 greenmang0    on Debian Stable (Lenny)
11:29 greenmang0    any solution for this error.. i am trying to install Kete
11:28 greenmang0    http://paste.debian.net/53347/plain/53347
11:28 greenmang0    properly?
11:28 greenmang0    CGI985: it's just a warning... is apache running?
11:24 kf            lunch :)
11:23 CGI985        as u post but still prob
11:22 CGI985        greenmang()all is same
11:14 CGI985        greenmang(): I have followed but still have same problem
11:12 kf            Ropuch: I think its ok the way you have done it, depends on the case I think - Im still a beginner too
11:12 kf            Ropuch: try to logout and login again, when pootle is happier, I think chris wanted to give you the rights
11:11 ropuch_       I have 2 bug fixed in one patch
11:11 ropuch_       kf: should i make one-patch for one bug?
11:11 ropuch_       Well
11:11 ropuch_       And I still don't have permission to change 3.2 trasnlations
11:08 kf            hm. pootle is unhappy again
11:06 kf            Ropuch: change priority to patch-sent and you are done
11:02 CGI985        ok u mean 53342/ and 53343
11:01 CGI985        greenmang():Im new one so Im not getting easily. how can I read ur links
11:00 greenmang0    CGI985: read those 2 links i gave you and do the changes on your system accordingly
10:59 CGI985        greenmang(): I have pasted on http://paste.debian.net/53343/
10:59 CGI985        CGI985: http://paste.debian.net/53343/
10:59 CGI985        CGI985: http://paste.debian.net/53343/
10:58 greenmang0    CGI985: where did you paste? give me the link
10:58 greenmang0    CGI985: i have 0 (zero) in my nick and not parentheses
10:58 CGI985        error
10:57 greenmang0    CGI985: what did you paste?
10:56 ropuch_       kf: on my way [;
10:56 greenmang0    :D
10:56 greenmang0    #kete
10:56 greenmang0    masonj: i think i am an admin on kete... LOL...
10:56 kf            ropuch: ah, change bug to patch-sent and attach your patch
10:55 ropuch_       kf: ok, thanks
10:55 ropuch_       greenmang0: I suppose so, but I have no experience with kete
10:55 CGI985        greenmang(): i have pasted
10:55 masonj        try #kete channel too...
10:54 greenmang0    ropuch_: can i get any help regarding "kete" installation here?
10:54 kf            ropuch: wait until its approved, test and close
10:54 masonj        wait for patch approval, i think
10:53 greenmang0    notice commented NameVirtualHost * entry
10:53 greenmang0    CGI985: http://paste.debian.net/53343/
10:53 masonj        they aren't fatal to apache
10:52 ropuch_       I've reported bug, submitted patch, what now - shuold i change bug status to fixed or wait fur patch to be approved?
10:52 masonj        i get  those apache warnings on my boxes too.
10:51 greenmang0    your ports.conf should look like this
10:51 greenmang0    CGI985: http://paste.debian.net/53342/
10:49 ropuch_       Yup
10:46 CGI985        is any one there?
10:46 CGI985        I need help about it??
10:42 CGI985        greenmang(): Im installing koha3.00.04_fixed on debian-lenny
10:41 greenmang0    CGI985: are you running Debian?
10:39 imp           CGI985: you are restarting an apache, without knowing the website it should be serving? (guess it's a koha running there?)
10:36 CGI985        imp: how?
10:36 imp           CGI985: just take a look at your apache with a browser
10:34 CGI985        imp: I dont know
10:31 imp           CGI985: looks like a warning to me, not an error. are you sure that it doesn't work?
10:30 CGI985        is any one there to help me??
10:29 CGI985        Reloading web server config: apache2[Sat Dec 05 19:23:08 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
10:28 CGI985        when Im running 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload' it show following error
10:03 kf            chris: works
09:55 chris         try now
09:53 chris         pootle doesnt do threading well
09:51 kf            chris: ah, ill try again a bit later
09:50 chris         yeah someone just tried to merge in a big file, it'll come right
09:46 kf            chris: pootle gives me an proxy error
09:45 kf            chris: still around?
09:45 kf            hdl_laptop: thx, not sure I did it right, but its translated now
09:42 CGI985        hi ropuch
09:35 hdl_laptop    principal author
09:32 kf            Auteur principal
09:32 kf            hm there are some french string from unimarc xslt to translate
09:30 masonj        portable phones and such,  i guess
09:30 masonj        some are from me futzing, but some are from something enviromentel , i guess :/
09:29 Genji         Regular interference.
09:29 masonj        genji: yes, there *are* interesting 'dips' in my wifi history graph
09:27 SelfishMan    Technically yes but I think we all know how that *really* works
09:27 Genji         For all we know, however, LL could just be One guy, at home.
09:26 Genji         Which LL could easily change.
09:26 SelfishMan    We have http access only because it is (currently) a public website
09:26 masonj        click...
09:26 SelfishMan    we don't have rsync access so it doesn't matter
09:25 Genji         LL gives neither.
09:25 kf            Gratulation  Ropuch! :)
09:25 masonj        rsync would be the obv tool
09:25 Genji         rsync would require ssh or ftp, right?
09:25 masonj        i suspect not
09:25 Genji         Hmm.. 'no vendor lock-in'
09:24 masonj        hmm, does that break rsync ?
09:24 ropuch_       patch sent
09:24 ropuch_       whoa
09:24 SelfishMan    I find it interesting that they have explicitly disabled it
09:24 Genji         Ah.
09:24 SelfishMan    Their server doesn't support timestamping so there is no way to effectively check for changes
09:23 SelfishMan    I'm not going to update it
09:23 * Genji       nods. "So, now you've got it, how do you update it?"
09:23 SelfishMan    The method I used was aggressive and not very well designed but it worked
09:23 SelfishMan    sure
09:22 Genji         Is it actually possible?
09:22 Genji         Hmm... paranoid Chris ( :) ) said he wanted it backed up nightly.... how does one detect changes on 7GB, and only download the updates?
09:21 SelfishMan    howdy
09:21 Genji         Hi SelfishMan!
09:20 SelfishMan    Yeah, I may have been the reason they are being defensive
09:20 Genji         seem to be consistant.
09:20 Genji         Hmm.. your graph has strange drops.
09:19 Genji         Ah. Ive successfully done wok to wok, 130 metres... wok to university calebre wifi, 1.. 2 km.
09:18 masonj        ive recently started graphing its singnal strenght with munin
09:17 masonj        just from next door
09:17 masonj        now its fast again... :)
09:17 Genji         Wok-fi yeah! How far, masonj?
09:17 masonj        prolly just my wok-fi network home connection tho  :0)
09:16 Genji         SelfishMan has successfuly got down the entire wiki. 7GB compressed into 250MB.
09:16 ropuch_       koha-patches@lists.koha.org ?
09:16 ropuch_       Where should i sent the patch
09:15 Genji         Obviously, they've gotten defensive.
09:15 paul_p        masonj:  & chris: koha.org works fine from Europe it seems
09:15 kf            wiki, bugzilla and koha.org ok from here
09:14 masonj        heh, i keep timing out from home to koha.org :/
09:12 Genji         Ah.. maybe they have you throttled.
09:11 chris         ahh there it is .. just super duper slow
09:11 chris         i wonder if they have blocked my ip now too
09:11 Genji         Got wiki still.
09:11 imp           masonj: read the backlog? :D
09:11 chris         no joy with the wiki
09:11 chris         ahh bugzilla is ok
09:11 chris         can anyone get to the wiki, or bugs.koha.org ?
09:10 masonj        zzanGGGG!!!
09:10 Genji         Have. no response yet.
09:10 imp           maybe it's because the creator of zebra got hit with a fish today ;)
09:10 chris         you probably should ask on the zebra list
09:09 Genji         Zebra voodoo is so fustrating. putting -s to analyse zebraidx'ing, says that pubdate is being indexed with y and n .... maybe Zebra 2.0.35 doesn't support relationals?
09:08 kf            chris: thx :)
09:08 chris         i hope to get 100 by xmas :)
09:08 chris         ropuch_: you will be the 99th committer
09:08 chris         kf: yep, fixed it, not sure whats up with the search
09:07 chris         ropuch_: done
09:06 kf            chris: did you fix the po-files? German seems to have the right size now :) but search is still broken
09:06 ropuch_       I have 3.2 opac already translated
09:06 ropuch_       Thanks
09:06 chris         will do ropuch_
09:06 ropuch_       chris: can you give me admin rights for 3.2 polish translations? I can only change 3.0 ones
09:06 chris         Genji: yep, its not up to me tho
09:05 chris         ropuch_: lucky 99
09:05 Genji         hey chris. Did you see Richard saying katipo would be pleased to host?
09:05 ropuch_       ;-)
09:05 kf            I ll copy and submit :) I need 100% to be happy :)
09:05 chris         ropuch_: excellent, then i can add you to the history doc :)
09:04 chris         just ignore any ones like that, either just copy and submit, or just ignore them
09:04 ropuch_       chris: I've just fixed sysprefs & sample_itemtypes, trying to send my very first patch now ;>
09:04 kf            installation = translation, im not really awake yet
09:03 chris         yep, the xslt files dont play nice with translation
09:03 kf            chris: started workino n 3.2 installation, there are many strings like /cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=au: from xslt-files
09:03 kf            hi chris
09:03 chris         yeah almost all the sample data needs updating for 3.2
09:02 ropuch_       paul_p: thanks, it still exists in sample_budgets.sql
09:02 paul_p        hello everybody
09:01 kf            hi paul_p
09:01 paul_p        kf: true
09:01 kf            i think acq table structure changed a lot
09:01 paul_p        ropuch_: aqbookfunds has been removed (aqbudgets used instead)
09:01 ropuch_       And there's a aqbookfunds table
09:00 ropuch_       Well, I'll fix sample_itemtypes then
09:00 kf            I dont have a test installation yet, but I think I saw some patches
08:59 kf            hi ropuch
08:59 ropuch_       Hi kf [;
08:59 kf            I think renewals were moved to circ rules
08:59 ropuch_       sample_itemptypes.sql is trying to insert 7 values
08:58 ropuch_       Is itemtypes table in 3.2 supposed to have 7 rows or just six (itemptype, desctiption, rentalcharge, notforloan, imageurl, summary)?
08:10 imp           heyho
07:58 kf            good morning #koha
07:14 SelfishMan    morning
07:04 Ropuch        Morning #koha
06:41 pianohacker   Good night
06:34 pianohacker   see ya, good luck
06:34 anotheruser   thanks for all of your help, I'm off to bed
06:34 anotheruser   I'll do that tomorrow
06:34 anotheruser   ok, sounds like a plan
06:33 pianohacker   Excising the frameworks, then loading the marc21 ones, will be easier
06:32 anotheruser   is there a way to backup all of my settings, re-install, and then copy them back?
06:31 pianohacker   You can remove all of the frameworks (might take some manual SQL work), then reload them from the sql source files in the tarball
06:31 anotheruser   not yet
06:31 pianohacker   anotheruser: You have no records?
06:30 anotheruser   thanks for all of your help thus far, you're saving my life here. We've got it to the point where book cataloging is possible
06:30 anotheruser   well maybe I should be using another tag?
06:30 anotheruser   hmm...
06:29 pianohacker   Well, then, the less easy option
06:29 anotheruser   I've already spent way too much time to do that
06:29 pianohacker   MARC21 is more common in the US
06:28 pianohacker   Not really, easier to wipe the db and reinstall
06:28 anotheruser   can I change it to marc21 easily
06:28 pianohacker   Ohhhhh
06:28 anotheruser   but I have no records at this point
06:28 anotheruser   *marc
06:28 anotheruser   pianohacker: Unimark
06:27 pianohacker   (It's beginning to sound like the latter)
06:27 pianohacker   anotheruser: Was it set up for MARC21 or UNIMARC?
06:21 anotheruser   3.0.4
06:21 anotheruser   the most recent one
06:20 pianohacker   anotheruser: What version of Koha are you running?
06:19 munin         pianohacker: unknown tag 606
06:19 pianohacker   @marc 606
06:12 anotheruser   * tag 610 subfield a Subject Term in tab 6
06:12 anotheruser   * tag 606 subfield a Entry Element in tab 6
06:12 anotheruser   Can't save this record because the following field aren't filled :
06:12 anotheruser   it tells me that they're mandatory
06:08 pianohacker   Those are indicators, you probably don't have to worry about them
05:59 anotheruser   I can put in the data fine, but it has two text boxes for 101[][] and 102[][], does it matter what I put in those/what are they for?
05:58 anotheruser   I put tags 101/102 in the first panel (0) so I could put them in quickly
05:58 anotheruser   ok, so one more and I think I'll have my first manually created zine marc record
05:58 anotheruser   thanks for helping me out with this, I feel like such a noob on this system
05:56 anotheruser   oh, you mean clicking on the "..." to the right
05:54 pianohacker   Hmm
05:54 anotheruser   *me the
05:54 anotheruser   pianohacker: you mean just clicking in the text area? It still gives me in the same error
05:52 pianohacker   You can make the @ subfield of 001 not mandatory; 000 can be field by just clicking in the text input for it
05:48 anotheruser   what should i put in them?
05:48 anotheruser   *empty
05:48 anotheruser   when I put things in via the add marc record form, it won't let me save them because 000 and 001 are emptu
05:47 pianohacker   The 001 can be made not mandatory, it's a control number (definitely in the "if you don't know what it is, learning is not going to be worth it")
05:46 pianohacker   The 000 tag is a leader; you want to leave that mandatory, it's automatically set
05:44 anotheruser   What are the 000 and 001 tags and can I make them non-mandatory (I assume they're there for a reason)?
05:43 pianohacker   k
05:28 anotheruser   I think what I'll do is force all the tags I need to show up in the first pane and remove the ones I don't there
05:28 anotheruser   pianohacker: thanks
05:22 pianohacker   Just get an idea of what metadata you need, find marc tags for them, and don't hide those fields
05:22 pianohacker   Except for the URL
05:22 pianohacker   anotheruser: Yup
04:43 anotheruser   shit
04:41 IrmaCalyx     would like to stay but I am running late for a meeting ...cheers for now.
04:39 anotheruser   I mean, not hide the same ones?
04:39 anotheruser   should I save the same tags in this case?
04:39 anotheruser   no, they're zines ie a diy distribution method used by lots of political types
04:37 pianohacker   right
04:37 IrmaCalyx     anotheruser & pianohacker: ah..I thought zine = Electronically distributed newsletter or magazine
04:35 anotheruser   and don't go too quick, I'd like to join in ; )
04:35 anotheruser   gotcha, thanks for the clarification
04:34 * pianohacker is about to hunt down the original person who thought eBook DRM was a fantastic idea and slowly kill them with an icepick
04:33 pianohacker   anotheruser: I think that's only if it's an e-zine, and it had some URL it could be accessed at
04:33 anotheruser   that sentence went a little over my head
04:32 anotheruser   IrmaCalyx: Huh?
04:31 IrmaCalyx     anotheruser:  and include the URL...use 856 $u (in MARC21) OK?
04:29 anotheruser   IrmaCalyx: thanks!
04:27 IrmaCalyx     anotheruser: in MARC21: The title field is  always 245 $a  - If the zine is part of a series...and the title of eachzine in that series is different, you create a new bib record for each one and in field 500 (Notes) mention the name of the series it belongs to to link them all. That's keeing it very simple but also indexes the series name to be searched on.
04:24 anotheruser   I know there's a whole science to cataloging but this is a small library with no intentions on becoming huge, so I'm just looking for what works
04:20 anotheruser   I mean, I don't really care which is the "correct" one, I just want to make sure that whatever title tag I choose will show up using the built-in search engine
04:19 * wizzyrea    is not a cataloger
04:19 wizzyrea      ooh, that is a question for a cataloger :P
04:18 anotheruser   Collective Uniform Title? Uniform title? Palellel Titel Proper? Cover Title? etc.
04:18 anotheruser   so for something like the title of  a zine, which title tag should I keep?
04:17 pianohacker   especially the godforsaken hidden field
04:17 anotheruser   yeah
04:16 pianohacker   np
04:16 pianohacker   messing with your marc frameworks through sql is touchy
04:16 anotheruser   thanks!
04:16 pianohacker   please back up that table before running that
04:16 pianohacker   UPDATE marc_subfield_structure SET hidden = -6 WHERE frameworkcode='<the frameworkcode of the zine framework>' AND tagfield='<the number of the tag you want to hide>' AND hidden = 0;
04:14 pianohacker   It'll look something like this for each tag that you want to hide:
04:14 pianohacker   Okay. You need to set the hidden column in marc_subfield_structure to -6 (visible on OPAC and Intranet, but not the Editor)
04:13 anotheruser   I can run an SQL command if that's easier
04:12 pianohacker   There's a quick way to do it, but it requires that you're comfortable with SQL
04:12 pianohacker   anotheruser: Unfortunately, you have to do it by editing the subfields
04:11 anotheruser   pianohacker: in the tag edit menu I don't see a hide option, am I looking in the wrong spot?
03:53 anotheruser   thanks!
03:52 pianohacker   I think so and yes, they will
03:52 anotheruser   pianohacker: Can I just clone the default framework and then rename it to zines or something like that and hide the tags there? Also, will the zines show up in search results?
03:51 anotheruser   That sounds like a good idea but they're also cataloguing books
03:48 pianohacker   anotheruser: You could simply hide those tags in the default framework
03:47 anotheruser   I'm helping a group use Koha to catalog their zine collection which doesn't require as much bibliographic information as the default setup (think it's called a MARC framework). I tried making my own framework with its own options (one for title with a title subtag, author with author subtag, etc.). Koha says the tags are invalid. Is there a simpler way to do this?
03:46 anotheruser   I've got a quick question for a more experienced koha user
03:39 brendan       Heya Amit
03:33 Jo            and retrieved in an instant for auditors rather than trawling through boxes for the paper copy
03:33 Jo            just thinking to myself it would be cool in acquisitions, if we could scan in the actual invoice when we are receiving a bunch of books, and could be linked to.
03:31 Amit          heya Jo
03:31 Jo            hiya Amit
03:30 Amit          good morning #koha
03:30 Amit          heya brendan, chris, chris_n2
03:15 Jo            :)
03:04 chris         oh wait, he already did
03:03 chris         he woulda called you a terrorist
03:03 Jo            was probably Mr Abrahms himself!
03:03 chris         funny
03:03 chris         heh
03:03 Jo            sirsi
03:03 chris         was it from a proprietary vendor?
03:03 Jo            still have no email ... i feel like a social outcast
03:03 chris         :-)
03:02 Jo            quite cool though to have the figure confirmed independently :)
02:59 pie           heh
02:59 chris         we were about 49cents
02:59 chris         yeah it was back then
02:58 Jo            had a nice email challenging my figures for a proprietary system back in 1999: challenged my $NZD225k figure .... his only cost $USD100k ... I expleined to him its about the same :)
02:56 Jo            and I really should learn to either spell or type better
02:56 Jo            hes got fish scales stuuck tohis forhead now :)
02:45 chris         heh
02:43 chris_n2      well, things were getting awful quiet before the CGI nut wandered in... :-)
02:30 imp           with some serious problems
02:30 imp           or a broken eliza version ;)
02:29 chris         old
02:28 chris         or a 12 year
02:28 wizzyrea      I suspect a drunken vacationer.
02:25 * richard     scrolls back and sees that there ahas been a real pest about
02:21 * wizzyrea    remembers why Jo is the coolest librarian ever
02:21 wizzyrea      the creator of the zebra from a prestigious university gets slapped around by jo. I always miss the fun stuff
02:20 wizzyrea      ooh, looks like that was some excitement ^.^
01:57 chris_n2      heh
01:57 imp           nearly 3am and there are still ideas popping up in my mind how to improve the prototype which has to be finished today...
01:57 * chris_n2    roasts fresh pecans
01:47 pie           indeed
01:47 imp           (then it doesn't make any sense to ban the ip ... :/)
01:47 richard       he's loggin in from that one
01:46 pie           yeah, looks like it
01:46 imp           uhm, is it that one? -> http://koha.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi
01:45 * pie         wonders why we have that CGI interface
01:45 pie           Jo: yeah, unfortunately
01:45 Jo            would be chasing a slippery pig to eep up :)
01:45 imp           a server admin would be great right now
01:45 Jo            mind you, it looks like he just logs back in again with a dofferent number-name
01:44 Jo            ok
01:44 Jo            or is it someone at Katipo
01:44 chris_n2      Jo: I think si does that
01:44 Jo            Chris: have you got ops authority on this channel?
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01:42 CGI500        (. )( .)
01:42 * pie         gets no noise now :)
01:42 Jo            thats pie
01:42 pie           :)
01:42 pie           then once someone with ops comes in, they can kick or whatever
01:42 owen          Good one pie :)
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01:42 pie           everyone, just type '/ignore CGI742' and your client will stop showing you those messages
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01:41 imp           CGI742: do us a favour and prove that you are from the "best uni from the world" and join from their subnet, please :)
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01:41 Jo            the channel operator can
01:41 CGI742        hgf
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01:41 Jo            we can ban him
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01:40 owen          Yeah, chris_n2 I've heard lots of bug reports about the lack of horizontal strips
01:40 CGI742        gsd
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01:40 CGI742        use my zebra program and i will hunt you down
01:40 * chris_n2    really has to go now ;-)
01:40 chris_n2      then play tic-tac-toe on him
01:40 CGI742        hahahha you are very damn funny
01:40 chris_n2      maybe we could paint perpendicular strips on the zebra
01:40 Jo            you are a social outcast
01:39 owen          Who would have thought to add the stripes.
01:39 CGI742        learn how to spell
01:39 owen          We should be nicer to the inventor of the zebra.
01:39 CGI742        if you want to know i go to the most prestiges uni in the world im a computer operator
01:39 * chris_n2    has a good laugh
01:39 Jo            can I punch him in the haed instead :)
01:39 * owen        hand Jo a bigger trout
01:39 owen          Jo, I don't think that trout was big enough
01:39 CGI742        you stupid nerdy retards
01:38 * Jo          slaps CGI742 around a bit with a large trout
01:38 CGI742        chris who do u think u are
01:38 Jo            I don't think its a human :)
01:38 CGI742        noway dont block the zebra creator
01:38 chris_n2      no ops on channel :-(
01:38 imp           guess it's a bot controll thing
01:38 CGI742        i made it
01:38 Jo            can we block CGI742
01:38 owen          When did this place become somewhere to pop in randomly?
01:38 CGI742        i really love zebra
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01:37 owen          No doubt, imp
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01:37 imp           kick!
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01:37 imp           gn8 chris_n2
01:37 chris_n2      g'night koha
01:37 chris_n2      bye brendan
01:37 owen          Thanks brendan
01:37 imp           bye brendan
01:37 brendan       alright gotta run -- cya all later
01:36 brendan       sometimes - they just don't go through -- so it's good that during the Makefile.PL step it notes the missing packages
01:36 owen          CGI742: You'll have to quiz each of us extensively to find that out
01:36 CGI742        areyou?
01:36 CGI742        are you
01:35 CGI742        no
01:35 owen          I had trouble with zebra my first time around, so I'm starting from scratch and trying to carefully keep track of my steps
01:35 brendan       rereading one of your emails -- where you noted a bunch of packages that did not install
01:35 imp           CGI742: are you a bot?
01:35 owen          Okay, that's what I wondered
01:35 brendan       so I don't think you need to worry about it -- it's taking care of as part of that step
01:34 brendan       ahhh.. yaz and zebra should be in the dselect part
01:34 owen          For instance, the Debian guide describes how to set up Index Data sources in sources.list, but doesn't tell you to install  yaz, idzebra-2.0, etc.
01:34 CGI742        yes i love library software
01:33 brendan       s/writing/written
01:33 brendan       hmm...  maybe it's one of those - writing by a developer kind of things
01:33 owen          I'm curious why the Debian install guide leaves out steps listed in the Ubuntu install guide.
01:33 brendan       cool beans
01:33 owen          Hey brendan, I'm just doing what most guys do on a Saturday night: trying  to install Koha on Debian
01:32 owen          CGI742: Do you have an interest in open source library software?
01:32 brendan       hey owen - here for a sec if you need something
01:32 CGI742        hello
01:30 CGI742        hi owen
01:29 CGI742        whats your name
01:28 owen          Hi miles
01:28 CGI742        hello my name is miles
01:25 owen          Anyone around for an install question?
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