Time Nick Message 01:13 CGI806 hello my name is ygtrhsd 01:14 CGI806 hi 01:14 CGI806 hi 01:17 CGI512 hello 01:25 owen Anyone around for an install question? 01:28 CGI742 hello my name is miles 01:28 owen Hi miles 01:29 CGI742 whats your name 01:30 CGI742 hi owen 01:32 CGI742 hello 01:32 brendan hey owen - here for a sec if you need something 01:32 owen CGI742: Do you have an interest in open source library software? 01:33 owen Hey brendan, I'm just doing what most guys do on a Saturday night: trying to install Koha on Debian 01:33 brendan cool beans 01:33 owen I'm curious why the Debian install guide leaves out steps listed in the Ubuntu install guide. 01:33 brendan hmm... maybe it's one of those - writing by a developer kind of things 01:33 brendan s/writing/written 01:34 CGI742 yes i love library software 01:34 owen For instance, the Debian guide describes how to set up Index Data sources in sources.list, but doesn't tell you to install yaz, idzebra-2.0, etc. 01:34 brendan ahhh.. yaz and zebra should be in the dselect part 01:35 brendan so I don't think you need to worry about it -- it's taking care of as part of that step 01:35 owen Okay, that's what I wondered 01:35 imp CGI742: are you a bot? 01:35 brendan rereading one of your emails -- where you noted a bunch of packages that did not install 01:35 owen I had trouble with zebra my first time around, so I'm starting from scratch and trying to carefully keep track of my steps 01:35 CGI742 no 01:36 CGI742 are you 01:36 CGI742 areyou? 01:36 owen CGI742: You'll have to quiz each of us extensively to find that out 01:36 brendan sometimes - they just don't go through -- so it's good that during the Makefile.PL step it notes the missing packages 01:37 brendan alright gotta run -- cya all later 01:37 imp bye brendan 01:37 owen Thanks brendan 01:37 chris_n2 bye brendan 01:37 chris_n2 g'night koha 01:37 imp gn8 chris_n2 01:37 CGI742 mytjudfjdtjudt 01:37 CGI742 fjhfjfjhfjhf 01:37 CGI742 fhcgsuihc 01:37 CGI742 bhcisdjvo 01:37 CGI742 yucgudh 01:37 CGI742 bhdvirdov 01:37 CGI742 hgiodfvj;o 01:37 CGI742 ywoergjk 01:37 CGI742 ghvcukde 01:37 CGI742 ufv9rejiov 01:37 CGI742 ucvhroeb 01:37 CGI742 gvc89rkbp 01:37 imp kick! 01:37 CGI742 ghuisvgjor 01:37 CGI742 hvefueklw 01:37 CGI742 hkvbuoer 01:37 owen No doubt, imp 01:37 CGI742 vfror 01:37 CGI742 jyhvfir 01:38 CGI742 i really love zebra 01:38 owen When did this place become somewhere to pop in randomly? 01:38 Jo can we block CGI742 01:38 CGI742 i made it 01:38 imp guess it's a bot controll thing 01:38 chris_n2 no ops on channel :-( 01:38 CGI742 noway dont block the zebra creator 01:38 Jo I don't think its a human :) 01:38 CGI742 chris who do u think u are 01:38 * Jo slaps CGI742 around a bit with a large trout 01:39 CGI742 you stupid nerdy retards 01:39 owen Jo, I don't think that trout was big enough 01:39 * owen hand Jo a bigger trout 01:39 Jo can I punch him in the haed instead :) 01:39 * chris_n2 has a good laugh 01:39 CGI742 if you want to know i go to the most prestiges uni in the world im a computer operator 01:39 owen We should be nicer to the inventor of the zebra. 01:39 CGI742 learn how to spell 01:39 owen Who would have thought to add the stripes. 01:40 Jo you are a social outcast 01:40 chris_n2 maybe we could paint perpendicular strips on the zebra 01:40 CGI742 hahahha you are very damn funny 01:40 chris_n2 then play tic-tac-toe on him 01:40 * chris_n2 really has to go now ;-) 01:40 CGI742 use my zebra program and i will hunt you down 01:40 CGI742 asdfgfsdaf 01:40 CGI742 gasd 01:40 CGI742 sdg 01:40 CGI742 sd 01:40 CGI742 sdg 01:40 CGI742 g 01:40 CGI742 gsd 01:40 owen Yeah, chris_n2 I've heard lots of bug reports about the lack of horizontal strips 01:40 CGI742 gsd 01:40 CGI742 gsd 01:40 CGI742 gsdg 01:40 CGI742 gsd 01:40 CGI742 gsd 01:40 CGI742 sdg 01:40 CGI742 sdgsd 01:40 CGI742 gsd 01:40 CGI742 gsdg 01:40 CGI742 das 01:41 CGI742 gsd 01:41 CGI742 gsd 01:41 CGI742 ja 01:41 CGI742 shf 01:41 CGI742 g 01:41 CGI742 sd 01:41 CGI742 fyhmsd 01:41 CGI742 j 01:41 CGI742 ghk 01:41 CGI742 ghk 01:41 CGI742 shgas 01:41 CGI742 gsd 01:41 CGI742 hdf 01:41 CGI742 dg 01:41 CGI742 dj 01:41 CGI742 djgh 01:41 CGI742 djghk 01:41 CGI742 dj 01:41 CGI742 djghg 01:41 CGI742 dj 01:41 CGI742 kdf 01:41 CGI742 asdg 01:41 CGI742 asdgdf 01:41 CGI742 gdggfh 01:41 CGI742 gdggfh 01:41 CGI742 f 01:41 CGI742 gd 01:41 CGI742 gdggf 01:41 Jo we can ban him 01:41 CGI742 gdggfhdf 01:41 CGI742 h 01:41 CGI742 fh 01:41 CGI742 hgf 01:41 Jo the channel operator can 01:41 CGI742 dfhj 01:41 CGI742 hdf 01:41 CGI742 hdfh 01:41 CGI742 dfhjdf 01:41 CGI742 dfhh 01:41 CGI742 dfhhhfc 01:41 CGI742 h 01:41 CGI742 gnjbvuinj 01:41 CGI742 gtjvuih 01:41 CGI742 jgvyuvuiy 01:41 CGI742 80t6 01:41 CGI742 gbyu 01:41 CGI742 ht 01:41 CGI742 vt 01:41 CGI742 tu 01:41 CGI742 fhycfry 01:41 CGI742 g 01:41 CGI742 hjyb 01:41 CGI742 c yu 01:41 CGI742 yg 01:41 CGI742 fhcd 01:41 CGI742 yimg 01:41 imp CGI742: do us a favour and prove that you are from the "best uni from the world" and join from their subnet, please :) 01:41 CGI742 f 01:41 CGI742 r6 01:41 CGI742 uy 01:41 CGI742 d 01:41 CGI742 c 01:41 CGI742 5 4 01:42 CGI742 g htdb 01:42 CGI742 +g 01:42 CGI742 chj 01:42 CGI742 vgjk+ 01:42 CGI742 ivgjk+ 01:42 CGI742 -r6it70/-. 01:42 CGI742 68.9 01:42 CGI742 r6/*87u 01:42 CGI742 f5t8 01:42 CGI742 ut6um 01:42 CGI742 deruio j 01:42 CGI742 efiojrd 01:42 CGI742 bdr 01:42 CGI742 ogdruk 01:42 CGI742 hgodr 01:42 CGI742 yuidrh 01:42 CGI742 gh8orke8o 01:42 CGI742 thyr5uo 01:42 pie everyone, just type '/ignore CGI742' and your client will stop showing you those messages 01:42 CGI742 tye5ui 01:42 CGI742 thu4e 01:42 CGI742 bt 01:42 CGI742 setiy9 01:42 CGI742 e3gbt 01:42 CGI742 908e4806 01:42 owen Good one pie :) 01:42 pie then once someone with ops comes in, they can kick or whatever 01:42 pie :) 01:42 Jo thats pie 01:42 * pie gets no noise now :) 01:42 CGI500 (. )( .) 01:43 CGI500 qwertyuiopasdfghjkl;zxvbnm 01:44 Jo Chris: have you got ops authority on this channel? 01:44 chris_n2 Jo: I think si does that 01:44 Jo or is it someone at Katipo 01:44 Jo ok 01:45 Jo mind you, it looks like he just logs back in again with a dofferent number-name 01:45 imp a server admin would be great right now 01:45 Jo would be chasing a slippery pig to eep up :) 01:45 pie Jo: yeah, unfortunately 01:45 * pie wonders why we have that CGI interface 01:46 imp uhm, is it that one? -> http://koha.org/cgi-bin/irc.cgi 01:46 pie yeah, looks like it 01:47 richard he's loggin in from that one 01:47 imp (then it doesn't make any sense to ban the ip ... :/) 01:47 pie indeed 01:57 * chris_n2 roasts fresh pecans 01:57 imp nearly 3am and there are still ideas popping up in my mind how to improve the prototype which has to be finished today... 01:57 chris_n2 heh 02:20 wizzyrea ooh, looks like that was some excitement ^.^ 02:21 wizzyrea the creator of the zebra from a prestigious university gets slapped around by jo. I always miss the fun stuff 02:21 * wizzyrea remembers why Jo is the coolest librarian ever 02:25 * richard scrolls back and sees that there ahas been a real pest about 02:28 wizzyrea I suspect a drunken vacationer. 02:28 chris or a 12 year 02:29 chris old 02:30 imp or a broken eliza version ;) 02:30 imp with some serious problems 02:43 chris_n2 well, things were getting awful quiet before the CGI nut wandered in... :-) 02:45 chris heh 02:56 Jo hes got fish scales stuuck tohis forhead now :) 02:56 Jo and I really should learn to either spell or type better 02:58 Jo had a nice email challenging my figures for a proprietary system back in 1999: challenged my $NZD225k figure .... his only cost $USD100k ... I expleined to him its about the same :) 02:59 chris yeah it was back then 02:59 chris we were about 49cents 02:59 pie heh 03:02 Jo quite cool though to have the figure confirmed independently :) 03:03 chris :-) 03:03 Jo still have no email ... i feel like a social outcast 03:03 chris was it from a proprietary vendor? 03:03 Jo sirsi 03:03 chris heh 03:03 chris funny 03:03 Jo was probably Mr Abrahms himself! 03:03 chris he woulda called you a terrorist 03:04 chris oh wait, he already did 03:15 Jo :) 03:30 Amit heya brendan, chris, chris_n2 03:30 Amit good morning #koha 03:31 Jo hiya Amit 03:31 Amit heya Jo 03:33 Jo just thinking to myself it would be cool in acquisitions, if we could scan in the actual invoice when we are receiving a bunch of books, and could be linked to. 03:33 Jo and retrieved in an instant for auditors rather than trawling through boxes for the paper copy 03:39 brendan Heya Amit 03:46 anotheruser I've got a quick question for a more experienced koha user 03:47 anotheruser I'm helping a group use Koha to catalog their zine collection which doesn't require as much bibliographic information as the default setup (think it's called a MARC framework). I tried making my own framework with its own options (one for title with a title subtag, author with author subtag, etc.). Koha says the tags are invalid. Is there a simpler way to do this? 03:48 pianohacker anotheruser: You could simply hide those tags in the default framework 03:51 anotheruser That sounds like a good idea but they're also cataloguing books 03:52 anotheruser pianohacker: Can I just clone the default framework and then rename it to zines or something like that and hide the tags there? Also, will the zines show up in search results? 03:52 pianohacker I think so and yes, they will 03:53 anotheruser thanks! 04:11 anotheruser pianohacker: in the tag edit menu I don't see a hide option, am I looking in the wrong spot? 04:12 pianohacker anotheruser: Unfortunately, you have to do it by editing the subfields 04:12 pianohacker There's a quick way to do it, but it requires that you're comfortable with SQL 04:13 anotheruser I can run an SQL command if that's easier 04:14 pianohacker Okay. You need to set the hidden column in marc_subfield_structure to -6 (visible on OPAC and Intranet, but not the Editor) 04:14 pianohacker It'll look something like this for each tag that you want to hide: 04:16 pianohacker UPDATE marc_subfield_structure SET hidden = -6 WHERE frameworkcode='<the frameworkcode of the zine framework>' AND tagfield='<the number of the tag you want to hide>' AND hidden = 0; 04:16 pianohacker please back up that table before running that 04:16 anotheruser thanks! 04:16 pianohacker messing with your marc frameworks through sql is touchy 04:16 pianohacker np 04:17 anotheruser yeah 04:17 pianohacker especially the godforsaken hidden field 04:18 anotheruser so for something like the title of a zine, which title tag should I keep? 04:18 anotheruser Collective Uniform Title? Uniform title? Palellel Titel Proper? Cover Title? etc. 04:19 wizzyrea ooh, that is a question for a cataloger :P 04:19 * wizzyrea is not a cataloger 04:20 anotheruser I mean, I don't really care which is the "correct" one, I just want to make sure that whatever title tag I choose will show up using the built-in search engine 04:24 anotheruser I know there's a whole science to cataloging but this is a small library with no intentions on becoming huge, so I'm just looking for what works 04:27 IrmaCalyx anotheruser: in MARC21: The title field is always 245 $a - If the zine is part of a series...and the title of eachzine in that series is different, you create a new bib record for each one and in field 500 (Notes) mention the name of the series it belongs to to link them all. That's keeing it very simple but also indexes the series name to be searched on. 04:29 anotheruser IrmaCalyx: thanks! 04:31 IrmaCalyx anotheruser: and include the URL...use 856 $u (in MARC21) OK? 04:32 anotheruser IrmaCalyx: Huh? 04:33 anotheruser that sentence went a little over my head 04:33 pianohacker anotheruser: I think that's only if it's an e-zine, and it had some URL it could be accessed at 04:34 * pianohacker is about to hunt down the original person who thought eBook DRM was a fantastic idea and slowly kill them with an icepick 04:35 anotheruser gotcha, thanks for the clarification 04:35 anotheruser and don't go too quick, I'd like to join in ; ) 04:37 IrmaCalyx anotheruser & pianohacker: ah..I thought zine = Electronically distributed newsletter or magazine 04:37 pianohacker right 04:39 anotheruser no, they're zines ie a diy distribution method used by lots of political types 04:39 anotheruser should I save the same tags in this case? 04:39 anotheruser I mean, not hide the same ones? 04:41 IrmaCalyx would like to stay but I am running late for a meeting ...cheers for now. 04:43 anotheruser shit 05:22 pianohacker anotheruser: Yup 05:22 pianohacker Except for the URL 05:22 pianohacker Just get an idea of what metadata you need, find marc tags for them, and don't hide those fields 05:28 anotheruser pianohacker: thanks 05:28 anotheruser I think what I'll do is force all the tags I need to show up in the first pane and remove the ones I don't there 05:43 pianohacker k 05:44 anotheruser What are the 000 and 001 tags and can I make them non-mandatory (I assume they're there for a reason)? 05:46 pianohacker The 000 tag is a leader; you want to leave that mandatory, it's automatically set 05:47 pianohacker The 001 can be made not mandatory, it's a control number (definitely in the "if you don't know what it is, learning is not going to be worth it") 05:48 anotheruser when I put things in via the add marc record form, it won't let me save them because 000 and 001 are emptu 05:48 anotheruser *empty 05:48 anotheruser what should i put in them? 05:52 pianohacker You can make the @ subfield of 001 not mandatory; 000 can be field by just clicking in the text input for it 05:54 anotheruser pianohacker: you mean just clicking in the text area? It still gives me in the same error 05:54 anotheruser *me the 05:54 pianohacker Hmm 05:56 anotheruser oh, you mean clicking on the "..." to the right 05:58 anotheruser thanks for helping me out with this, I feel like such a noob on this system 05:58 anotheruser ok, so one more and I think I'll have my first manually created zine marc record 05:58 anotheruser I put tags 101/102 in the first panel (0) so I could put them in quickly 05:59 anotheruser I can put in the data fine, but it has two text boxes for 101[][] and 102[][], does it matter what I put in those/what are they for? 06:08 pianohacker Those are indicators, you probably don't have to worry about them 06:12 anotheruser it tells me that they're mandatory 06:12 anotheruser Can't save this record because the following field aren't filled : 06:12 anotheruser * tag 606 subfield a Entry Element in tab 6 06:12 anotheruser * tag 610 subfield a Subject Term in tab 6 06:19 pianohacker @marc 606 06:19 munin pianohacker: unknown tag 606 06:20 pianohacker anotheruser: What version of Koha are you running? 06:21 anotheruser the most recent one 06:21 anotheruser 3.0.4 06:27 pianohacker anotheruser: Was it set up for MARC21 or UNIMARC? 06:27 pianohacker (It's beginning to sound like the latter) 06:28 anotheruser pianohacker: Unimark 06:28 anotheruser *marc 06:28 anotheruser but I have no records at this point 06:28 pianohacker Ohhhhh 06:28 anotheruser can I change it to marc21 easily 06:28 pianohacker Not really, easier to wipe the db and reinstall 06:29 pianohacker MARC21 is more common in the US 06:29 anotheruser I've already spent way too much time to do that 06:29 pianohacker Well, then, the less easy option 06:30 anotheruser hmm... 06:30 anotheruser well maybe I should be using another tag? 06:30 anotheruser thanks for all of your help thus far, you're saving my life here. We've got it to the point where book cataloging is possible 06:31 pianohacker anotheruser: You have no records? 06:31 anotheruser not yet 06:31 pianohacker You can remove all of the frameworks (might take some manual SQL work), then reload them from the sql source files in the tarball 06:32 anotheruser is there a way to backup all of my settings, re-install, and then copy them back? 06:33 pianohacker Excising the frameworks, then loading the marc21 ones, will be easier 06:34 anotheruser ok, sounds like a plan 06:34 anotheruser I'll do that tomorrow 06:34 anotheruser thanks for all of your help, I'm off to bed 06:34 pianohacker see ya, good luck 06:41 pianohacker Good night 07:04 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:14 SelfishMan morning 07:58 kf good morning #koha 08:10 imp heyho 08:58 ropuch_ Is itemtypes table in 3.2 supposed to have 7 rows or just six (itemptype, desctiption, rentalcharge, notforloan, imageurl, summary)? 08:59 ropuch_ sample_itemptypes.sql is trying to insert 7 values 08:59 kf I think renewals were moved to circ rules 08:59 ropuch_ Hi kf [; 08:59 kf hi ropuch 09:00 kf I dont have a test installation yet, but I think I saw some patches 09:00 ropuch_ Well, I'll fix sample_itemtypes then 09:01 ropuch_ And there's a aqbookfunds table 09:01 paul_p ropuch_: aqbookfunds has been removed (aqbudgets used instead) 09:01 kf i think acq table structure changed a lot 09:01 paul_p kf: true 09:01 kf hi paul_p 09:02 paul_p hello everybody 09:02 ropuch_ paul_p: thanks, it still exists in sample_budgets.sql 09:03 chris yeah almost all the sample data needs updating for 3.2 09:03 kf hi chris 09:03 kf chris: started workino n 3.2 installation, there are many strings like /cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=au: from xslt-files 09:03 chris yep, the xslt files dont play nice with translation 09:04 kf installation = translation, im not really awake yet 09:04 ropuch_ chris: I've just fixed sysprefs & sample_itemtypes, trying to send my very first patch now ;> 09:04 chris just ignore any ones like that, either just copy and submit, or just ignore them 09:05 chris ropuch_: excellent, then i can add you to the history doc :) 09:05 kf I ll copy and submit :) I need 100% to be happy :) 09:05 ropuch_ ;-) 09:05 Genji hey chris. Did you see Richard saying katipo would be pleased to host? 09:05 chris ropuch_: lucky 99 09:06 chris Genji: yep, its not up to me tho 09:06 ropuch_ chris: can you give me admin rights for 3.2 polish translations? I can only change 3.0 ones 09:06 chris will do ropuch_ 09:06 ropuch_ Thanks 09:06 ropuch_ I have 3.2 opac already translated 09:06 kf chris: did you fix the po-files? German seems to have the right size now :) but search is still broken 09:07 chris ropuch_: done 09:08 chris kf: yep, fixed it, not sure whats up with the search 09:08 chris ropuch_: you will be the 99th committer 09:08 chris i hope to get 100 by xmas :) 09:08 kf chris: thx :) 09:09 Genji Zebra voodoo is so fustrating. putting -s to analyse zebraidx'ing, says that pubdate is being indexed with y and n .... maybe Zebra 2.0.35 doesn't support relationals? 09:10 chris you probably should ask on the zebra list 09:10 imp maybe it's because the creator of zebra got hit with a fish today ;) 09:10 Genji Have. no response yet. 09:10 masonj zzanGGGG!!! 09:11 chris can anyone get to the wiki, or bugs.koha.org ? 09:11 chris ahh bugzilla is ok 09:11 chris no joy with the wiki 09:11 imp masonj: read the backlog? :D 09:11 Genji Got wiki still. 09:11 chris i wonder if they have blocked my ip now too 09:11 chris ahh there it is .. just super duper slow 09:12 Genji Ah.. maybe they have you throttled. 09:14 masonj heh, i keep timing out from home to koha.org :/ 09:15 kf wiki, bugzilla and koha.org ok from here 09:15 paul_p masonj: & chris: koha.org works fine from Europe it seems 09:15 Genji Obviously, they've gotten defensive. 09:16 ropuch_ Where should i sent the patch 09:16 ropuch_ koha-patches@lists.koha.org ? 09:16 Genji SelfishMan has successfuly got down the entire wiki. 7GB compressed into 250MB. 09:17 masonj prolly just my wok-fi network home connection tho :0) 09:17 Genji Wok-fi yeah! How far, masonj? 09:17 masonj now its fast again... :) 09:17 masonj just from next door 09:18 masonj ive recently started graphing its singnal strenght with munin 09:19 Genji Ah. Ive successfully done wok to wok, 130 metres... wok to university calebre wifi, 1.. 2 km. 09:20 Genji Hmm.. your graph has strange drops. 09:20 Genji seem to be consistant. 09:20 SelfishMan Yeah, I may have been the reason they are being defensive 09:21 Genji Hi SelfishMan! 09:21 SelfishMan howdy 09:22 Genji Hmm... paranoid Chris ( :) ) said he wanted it backed up nightly.... how does one detect changes on 7GB, and only download the updates? 09:22 Genji Is it actually possible? 09:23 SelfishMan sure 09:23 SelfishMan The method I used was aggressive and not very well designed but it worked 09:23 * Genji nods. "So, now you've got it, how do you update it?" 09:23 SelfishMan I'm not going to update it 09:24 SelfishMan Their server doesn't support timestamping so there is no way to effectively check for changes 09:24 Genji Ah. 09:24 SelfishMan I find it interesting that they have explicitly disabled it 09:24 ropuch_ whoa 09:24 ropuch_ patch sent 09:24 masonj hmm, does that break rsync ? 09:25 Genji Hmm.. 'no vendor lock-in' 09:25 masonj i suspect not 09:25 Genji rsync would require ssh or ftp, right? 09:25 masonj rsync would be the obv tool 09:25 kf Gratulation Ropuch! :) 09:25 Genji LL gives neither. 09:26 SelfishMan we don't have rsync access so it doesn't matter 09:26 masonj click... 09:26 SelfishMan We have http access only because it is (currently) a public website 09:26 Genji Which LL could easily change. 09:27 Genji For all we know, however, LL could just be One guy, at home. 09:27 SelfishMan Technically yes but I think we all know how that *really* works 09:29 masonj genji: yes, there *are* interesting 'dips' in my wifi history graph 09:29 Genji Regular interference. 09:30 masonj some are from me futzing, but some are from something enviromentel , i guess :/ 09:30 masonj portable phones and such, i guess 09:32 kf hm there are some french string from unimarc xslt to translate 09:32 kf Auteur principal 09:35 hdl_laptop principal author 09:42 CGI985 hi ropuch 09:45 kf hdl_laptop: thx, not sure I did it right, but its translated now 09:45 kf chris: still around? 09:46 kf chris: pootle gives me an proxy error 09:50 chris yeah someone just tried to merge in a big file, it'll come right 09:51 kf chris: ah, ill try again a bit later 09:53 chris pootle doesnt do threading well 09:55 chris try now 10:03 kf chris: works 10:28 CGI985 when Im running 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload' it show following error 10:29 CGI985 Reloading web server config: apache2[Sat Dec 05 19:23:08 2009] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts 10:30 CGI985 is any one there to help me?? 10:31 imp CGI985: looks like a warning to me, not an error. are you sure that it doesn't work? 10:34 CGI985 imp: I dont know 10:36 imp CGI985: just take a look at your apache with a browser 10:36 CGI985 imp: how? 10:39 imp CGI985: you are restarting an apache, without knowing the website it should be serving? (guess it's a koha running there?) 10:41 greenmang0 CGI985: are you running Debian? 10:42 CGI985 greenmang(): Im installing koha3.00.04_fixed on debian-lenny 10:46 CGI985 I need help about it?? 10:46 CGI985 is any one there? 10:49 ropuch_ Yup 10:51 greenmang0 CGI985: http://paste.debian.net/53342/ 10:51 greenmang0 your ports.conf should look like this 10:52 masonj i get those apache warnings on my boxes too. 10:52 ropuch_ I've reported bug, submitted patch, what now - shuold i change bug status to fixed or wait fur patch to be approved? 10:53 masonj they aren't fatal to apache 10:53 greenmang0 CGI985: http://paste.debian.net/53343/ 10:53 greenmang0 notice commented NameVirtualHost * entry 10:54 masonj wait for patch approval, i think 10:54 kf ropuch: wait until its approved, test and close 10:54 greenmang0 ropuch_: can i get any help regarding "kete" installation here? 10:55 masonj try #kete channel too... 10:55 CGI985 greenmang(): i have pasted 10:55 ropuch_ greenmang0: I suppose so, but I have no experience with kete 10:55 ropuch_ kf: ok, thanks 10:56 kf ropuch: ah, change bug to patch-sent and attach your patch 10:56 greenmang0 masonj: i think i am an admin on kete... LOL... 10:56 greenmang0 #kete 10:56 greenmang0 :D 10:56 ropuch_ kf: on my way [; 10:57 greenmang0 CGI985: what did you paste? 10:58 CGI985 error 10:58 greenmang0 CGI985: i have 0 (zero) in my nick and not parentheses 10:58 greenmang0 CGI985: where did you paste? give me the link 10:59 CGI985 CGI985: http://paste.debian.net/53343/ 10:59 CGI985 CGI985: http://paste.debian.net/53343/ 10:59 CGI985 greenmang(): I have pasted on http://paste.debian.net/53343/ 11:00 greenmang0 CGI985: read those 2 links i gave you and do the changes on your system accordingly 11:01 CGI985 greenmang():Im new one so Im not getting easily. how can I read ur links 11:02 CGI985 ok u mean 53342/ and 53343 11:06 kf Ropuch: change priority to patch-sent and you are done 11:08 kf hm. pootle is unhappy again 11:11 ropuch_ And I still don't have permission to change 3.2 trasnlations 11:11 ropuch_ Well 11:11 ropuch_ kf: should i make one-patch for one bug? 11:11 ropuch_ I have 2 bug fixed in one patch 11:12 kf Ropuch: try to logout and login again, when pootle is happier, I think chris wanted to give you the rights 11:12 kf Ropuch: I think its ok the way you have done it, depends on the case I think - Im still a beginner too 11:14 CGI985 greenmang(): I have followed but still have same problem 11:22 CGI985 greenmang()all is same 11:23 CGI985 as u post but still prob 11:24 kf lunch :) 11:28 greenmang0 CGI985: it's just a warning... is apache running? 11:28 greenmang0 properly? 11:28 greenmang0 http://paste.debian.net/53347/plain/53347 11:29 greenmang0 any solution for this error.. i am trying to install Kete 11:29 greenmang0 on Debian Stable (Lenny) 11:29 CGI985 how can I check that whether apache is running or not 11:29 CGI985 ? 11:29 CGI985 as I type localhost it show it works 11:36 masonj $ps -ef|grep apache 11:37 masonj or 11:37 masonj sudo apache2ctl status 11:38 masonj oooohhh.. 11:38 masonj $ sudo apache2ctl fullstatus 11:55 kf back 11:58 CGI985 masonj: I type this command but how can I understand that apache is working 11:59 CGI985 and when I want to run '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' it show error 12:00 imp wb kf 12:01 masonj http://pastebin.org/61755 12:01 masonj thats a working apache2 12:03 masonj http://pastebin.org/61756 12:03 masonj thats a non-working / stopped apache2 12:06 CGI985 masonj: it is working like http://pastebin.org/61755 12:06 CGI985 so why not it is restarting 12:06 masonj well, wots yr error? 12:06 masonj use pastebin.org ;) 12:09 CGI985 masonj: I have posted 12:10 masonj great..... 12:10 masonj now, paste in that url into your chat window.... 12:10 masonj or did you already? 12:11 CGI985 no 12:11 masonj ok 12:11 CGI985 masong: Im not getting 12:11 masonj me also 12:12 CGI985 http://pastebin.org/61757 12:13 masonj as someone said, its *not* an error 12:13 masonj its a warning 12:13 imp it's still just a warning... 12:13 CGI985 so should I continue further process of koha 12:13 masonj your apache2 is running , and working 12:14 CGI985 yeah 12:14 masonj you need to put a koha-httpd.conf file in /etc/apache/sites-enabled 12:15 masonj then restart apache 12:16 masonj $ ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled 12:16 masonj you have any koha files in there ? 12:16 CGI985 already there is one file name "koha: 12:16 CGI985 "koha" 12:16 CGI985 is it same ?? 12:16 masonj ? 12:17 masonj pastebin the file, i look... 12:18 CGI985 http://pastebin.org/61760 12:20 masonj $ lynx 10.1.2.36:80 12:20 masonj try that... 12:21 CGI985 command not found 12:21 CGI985 It show above 12:21 masonj $ sudo apt-get install lynx 12:21 masonj yep, if you dont have the program , get it ;) 12:22 CGI985 yes Im getting it 12:24 masonj ahhhh, this is very handy for debugging your apache conf problem 12:24 masonj $ sudo apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS 12:26 masonj fyi: your apache's koha.conf file does look OK 12:26 CGI985 when I try lynx 10.1.2.36:80 12:26 masonj i suspect your 000-default file is overridding it 12:27 masonj $ ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default 12:27 CGI985 this result occur http://pastebin.org/61763 12:27 masonj that file.. 12:28 masonj good 12:28 masonj that means your apache is working 12:28 masonj and you have a common problem 12:29 CGI985 what? 12:29 masonj http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian-lenny;h=2d2997a7eacb6053980232a96cff5f04c190b52b;hb=HEAD#l121 12:30 masonj you need to create a db, in mysql 12:30 masonj create a user , give the user access to that db.. 12:30 masonj mysql> grant all on <kohadatabasename>.* to '<kohadatabaseuser>'@'localhost' identified by '<kohadatabaseuserpassword>'; 12:31 CGI985 but I have followed this steps 12:31 masonj do it again... 12:32 CGI985 I replace koha instead of kohadatabasename and kohaadmin instead of kohadataseuser 12:33 masonj yep, then test access from the commandline ;) 12:33 masonj mysql> flush privileges; 12:33 masonj do that? 12:34 masonj $ mysql -u kohaadmin -pPASSWORD kohadb 12:34 masonj when that works , koha error with go... 12:34 CGI985 wht should I do '<kohadatabaseuserpassword>' 12:35 CGI985 wht should place here 12:35 masonj your **password** :) 12:35 kf table des matières? 12:36 * kf fighting with translation 12:36 masonj ahhhhh 12:36 masonj '<kohadatabaseuserpassword>'; 12:36 masonj the '<' and '>' are incorrect, i think :/ 12:38 CGI985 masonj: wht do u mean, im not understanding 12:38 CGI985 should I give any password or keep same as mysql or debian 12:40 masonj > grant all on 'koha'.* to 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' identified by 'xxxxx'; 12:40 masonj no < or > , ok? 12:41 CGI985 masonj: 12:42 masonj choose a password that matches the password in "/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml" 12:42 CGI985 I have done it but it show same error 12:42 masonj is your grant successfull? 12:42 CGI985 yeah 12:43 masonj mysql> create database koha; 12:43 masonj Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec) 12:43 masonj do you have a koha db? 12:43 CGI985 where should I search koha db?? 12:43 masonj Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec) 12:43 masonj mysql> show databases; 12:43 masonj +--------------------+ 12:43 masonj | Database | 12:43 masonj +--------------------+ 12:43 masonj | information_schema | 12:44 CGI985 yeah 12:44 CGI985 it is there? 12:44 CGI985 koha is there 12:44 masonj good! 12:45 masonj mysql> flush privileges; 12:45 CGI985 but there is no tables inside koha 12:45 masonj correct 12:45 CGI985 flush privileges was also done successfully 12:45 masonj $ mysql -u kohaadmin -pxxxxx koha 12:46 masonj works? 12:46 CGI985 yeah Im now in mysql> 12:46 masonj goood 12:47 masonj now look in /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 12:47 masonj your user:password:db in there need to be the same 12:48 CGI985 http://pastebin.org/61770 12:50 masonj looks good 12:50 CGI985 masonj: plz dont mind, Im going and will be back in 10 mins] 12:50 masonj your password is correct? 12:50 CGI985 so wht should I do now? 12:51 masonj everything looks pretty good 12:51 masonj restart apache and mysql ... 12:52 masonj ask a friend to look at your work 12:53 masonj look out for path errors 12:53 masonj tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log 12:54 masonj look at this file for other errors.. 12:57 veryinky Blarg. Why do I keep forgetting to log off from computers. 13:04 CGI985 masonj: r u there? 13:06 masonj sort of 13:06 CGI985 here in my region no one is using koha, so no one b available to see my work 13:08 masonj koha is just a LAMP app 13:08 CGI985 mean? 13:08 masonj many people in your region understand LAMP :) 13:08 masonj http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_(software_bundle) 13:09 masonj tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log 13:09 CGI985 masonj: wht should I do now? should I run remaining commands of koha installation or first solve this problem 13:09 masonj look in your log file.... 13:10 masonj solve this problem 13:10 masonj koha user needs access to your DB 13:11 masonj ... to complete the install 13:12 CGI985 this command is not working ' tail: invalid option--/ 13:16 CGI985 masonj: this command is not working 'tail -f/var/log/koha-opac-error_log' 13:16 masonj '-f /' 13:17 masonj theres a space there... 13:17 CGI985 ok 13:18 masonj restart apache and mysql ... 13:19 masonj $ lynx 10.1.2.36:80 13:19 CGI985 when I try to restart apache, it show the same error 13:19 masonj $ tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log 13:19 Ropuch without leading $ 13:19 Ropuch ;> 13:19 masonj what error? 13:20 masonj ah , this error.. 13:20 masonj http://pastebin.org/61763 13:21 masonj err, is your password actually '12'? 13:21 masonj in both yr conf file , and your db? 13:23 masonj me asks a silly question... 13:23 CGI985 db have 12 passwd 13:23 CGI985 but conf? 13:24 masonj yr conf does too.. 13:24 masonj http://pastebin.org/61770 13:24 masonj <pass>12</pass> 13:24 CGI985 I run tail command since long but still in process, so Im waiting for see its result 13:24 masonj so... 13:25 masonj mysql -u kohaadmin -p12 koha 13:25 masonj this works for you? 13:25 masonj Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. 13:25 masonj Your MySQL connection id is 1774 13:25 masonj Server version: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 (Debian) 13:25 masonj Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer. 13:25 masonj mysql> 13:25 masonj . 13:25 masonj you get that? 13:26 CGI985 still i previous command have not completed, but still in process 13:26 CGI985 tail -f /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log 13:27 masonj it doesnt complete :/ 13:27 masonj ? 13:27 CGI985 no it is in process since long 13:27 masonj erm 13:27 CGI985 I dont know 13:27 CGI985 mean> 13:27 CGI985 ? 13:27 masonj its not supposed to complete 13:28 CGI985 so should i press ctrl-z 13:28 masonj sure.. 13:29 CGI985 yes I get it 13:29 CGI985 mysql -u kohaadmin -p12 koha 13:29 CGI985 mysql> 13:30 masonj ok, i have run out of ideas :/ 13:31 CGI985 ok so should I go forward to complete installation 13:32 CGI985 plz read this not... whtz its meaning? http://pastebin.org/61782 13:34 masonj pass ? 13:35 masonj the next thing *i* would do i turn up the DBI logging , on line 665 13:35 CGI985 this is the note from documentation of install.debian-lenny 13:37 nengard hi all - anyone know what a CAS login is? I'm seeing this on my OPAC now... 13:37 CGI985 I m not understanding ur this sentence "the next thing *i* would do i turn up the DBI logging , on line 665" 13:37 CGI985 masonj: plz tell me simply 13:38 jwagner nengard, online? 13:38 masonj The following fatal error has occurred: 13:38 masonj Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/sha 13:38 masonj re/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 666. 13:38 nengard jwagner yup 13:38 jwagner Your report on Bug 3868 -- is this with the newest head? 13:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3868 major, P5, ---, colin.campbell@ptfs-europe.com, NEW, Patron Messages Appearing in Both Places 13:39 nengard jwagner yup 13:39 masonj i cant explain how to do that simply, its complex ;) 13:39 CGI985 masonj: then wht steps? 13:39 nengard jwagner it worked a-ok before that upgrade 13:39 nengard i'm going through and working on the documentation for 3.2 and as I do I find these little things 13:40 jwagner nengard, sounds like something got reversed in the updated head -- gmcharlt, check? 13:40 masonj send an email 'Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz' 13:40 jwagner I don't have a system updated to current head yet. 13:40 masonj descibing your problem 13:40 nengard jwagner - colin does - that's why i included you both in that bug report :) 13:41 jwagner OK, thanks. 13:41 masonj you have a tricky typo somewhere 13:42 masonj try some fresh reinstalls 13:42 masonj you cannot complete yr install until you fix this error 13:42 kf pootle is moody 13:43 CGI985 wht should I do reinstall 13:43 masonj reinstall koha 13:44 masonj try a 'dev' install 13:44 CGI985 masonj: and should I overide on current one 13:44 masonj its what most developers use 13:44 masonj yep 13:44 CGI985 ok 13:44 masonj http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage 13:45 masonj keep trying you are close.. :) 13:45 CGI985 thnx for encouraging. hope u will b around if any prob occur 13:45 masonj yep, no problemo ;) 13:46 masonj you did a good job , so far ! 13:47 masonj double-check your directory paths 13:47 masonj i suspect a typo with them 13:48 CGI985 sure.. Im now more consious 13:51 owen Hi #koha 13:54 jwagner Good morning, owen 13:55 gmcharlt_ hitting the road; offline for a few hours 13:57 CGI985 masonj:how can I select dev. it is bydefault standard 13:57 CGI985 and when I want to change it, it is not changing 13:58 masonj type 'dev', then press the enter key 13:58 CGI985 ok 13:59 CGI985 masonj: I have succefully installed koha2.9 on windows but z39.50 was not working in windows 14:00 CGI985 thz y I switched to debian. and I m new in linux 14:04 masonj ahh, ok 14:05 CGI985 perl Makefile.PL 14:05 CGI985 it show some warning, may I carry on. 14:07 CGI985 masonj 14:07 CGI985 may I move forward 14:07 owen CGI985: I was trying an install on Debian over the weekend and ran into the same thing: warnings about prerequisites not installed 14:07 Ropuch What dependencies are you missing? 14:07 Ropuch Hi owen 14:08 CGI985 ropuch: r u with me... 14:09 owen CGI985: I wonder if you got the same message: http://old.nabble.com/A-couple-of-Debian-install-questions-td26658585.html 14:09 Ropuch CGI985: be back in 30 minutes - but if you're missing IPC::Cmd you can move on 14:09 owen Ropuch: Can move on? 14:09 CGI985 ropuch ipc::Cmd and three others 14:12 CGI985 warning are pasted on http://pastebin.org/61798 14:17 CGI985 is any one there to guide me?/ 14:17 CGI985 masonj r u there? 14:18 owen CGI985: Sometimes you just have to be patient and wait for the next expert to become available 14:18 owen I'm interested in finding out the answer to your question too 14:19 CGI985 owen:ok.. 14:20 masonj 3am here, i am done.. 14:21 owen I should say so masonj 14:31 Ropuch owen: my library is working on install without IPC::Cmd dependency fulfilled 14:32 owen I wonder what it's for? 14:33 Ropuch IPC::Cmd - finding and running system commands made easy, sounds important ;> 14:35 owen Looks like it's used by the installer. You'd think that would be important 14:35 Ropuch grep IPC::Cmd returns only 4 file 14:36 owen install.pl line 15 "use IPC::Cmd;" 14:36 Ropuch owen: i thinks IPC:Cmd is actually a must, but the version number don't need to match 14:36 Ropuch I have 0.41 14:37 owen Hm, could be. The warning I got was about an outdated version (.401) 14:37 Ropuch Same here 14:37 owen But then again my install wasn't entirely successful :) 14:38 Ropuch As long as my library is up and running I consider instal a full success ;> 14:47 owen So if Makefile.PL returns warnings about missing prerequisites, one should continue with the Koha install, but install the missing prerequisites after? 14:50 magnusenger um, i would install the prerequisites, then run Makefile.PL again to see if it's satisfied 14:50 * jdavidb agrees with magnusenger. 14:50 owen So, CGI985, I guess that's your answer 14:51 magnusenger ...and if it isn't: fix the problems before proceeding 14:53 owen Anyone know the correct package name for IPC::Cmd ? 14:55 owen CGI985: You still around? 14:56 Ropuch owen: IPC::Open2, IPC::Open3, IPC::Cmd) which are in fact in standard Perl distribution so they can be used without worries. 14:57 owen Ropuch: I mean if one were to do "apt-get install XX" I'm always confused about whether a package doesn't exist or whether I'm just not finding it on packages.debian.org 15:08 masonj owen: IPC::Cmd is the correct name 15:08 owen Hi wizzyrea 15:08 owen masonj: For the debian package? Or does there not exist a debian package for it? 15:09 owen masonj: Shouldn't you be in bed? :) 15:09 jdavidb Hi, wizzyrea! Everyone get well over the weekend? 15:10 masonj http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ipc&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all 15:10 masonj i cant actually see it there.. :/ 15:10 owen Heh: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539905 15:11 owen gmcharlt is looking out for us 15:13 owen Does libgd-gd2-perl == "GD 2.39" as reported missing by Makefile.PL? 15:14 wizzyrea my hubs is still sick-ish, and we're all still coughing a bit, but no more fever 15:16 jdavidb well, that's an improvement, at least. 15:16 nengard can someone point me to the template file for the staff login page? 15:17 owen nengard: modules/auth.tmpl 15:17 nengard thanks owen 15:17 owen nengard: I'm curious if you got your authorities import to work? 15:17 nengard no - but that's cause i couldn't find a file that worked - i think 15:18 owen So a download from LOC didn't work? 15:19 nengard grr - okay where is the link to the self checkout page? it's on my login page - but not on auth.tmpl 15:19 owen nengard: intranetuserjs? 15:19 nengard ah 15:19 nengard hehe 15:19 nengard thanks 15:20 CGI985 owen: Im here 15:21 owen I can remember that but I can't remember [x number of important things] 15:21 owen CGI985: Did you get your missing prerequisites installed? 15:21 nengard owen - one more :) where is intranetuserjs? 15:21 nengard thought this would be an easy fix 15:21 nengard guess i was wrong 15:21 nengard can't find a thing 15:22 owen nengard: I mean is that a customization in the intranetuserjs system pref? 15:22 owen Or is that something new in 3.2? 15:22 nengard oh - did I do that myself? off to check my preferences - hehe -silly me 15:22 Ropuch nengard: /cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl?tab=StaffClient 15:23 nengard owen you're right - I did it - it's all my fault - bug removed and off to fix documentation 15:23 CGI985 owen: I was away from my pc, now Im reading 15:25 * owen twiddles his thumbs and waits for his patrons to import 15:35 nengard owen - while you do that - want to find out what tags I use to get code to appear as code in docbook? I found a bunch of contradicting things and none seem to look right 15:35 nengard :) 15:42 owen Weird logout error in the latest OPAC 15:42 owen it's trying to redirect me to another port 15:44 owen Oh, because there's a URL listed in the casServerUrl system pref 15:44 owen That doesn't seem like something that should be filled by default 15:47 nengard owen - i reported a bug for that 15:47 nengard the log out thing 15:47 owen Yeah, just modified it 15:48 nengard oh okay - was just gonna give you the link :) 15:48 owen The CAS authentication stuff needs to be turned off, then logging in and out works. 15:48 nengard do you know what CAS is? 15:49 owen I don't. http://www.jasig.org/cas maybe? 15:50 nengard hmmm - we need to explain that further - and you're right they shouldn't be on by default 15:55 CGI985 owen: r u there? 15:55 owen Yes 15:56 CGI985 so I have to 1st install dependencies 15:56 owen Sounds like that is recommended. 15:56 CGI985 but how can I install ? 15:58 CGI985 owen: could u guide me plz, as Im confused yet... 15:58 Ropuch CGI985: remind me what madules you're missing 15:59 CGI985 Ropuch:http://pastebin.org/61798 16:07 owen It's recommended to use the Debian package wherever possible. That's why I asked about whether libgd-gd2-perl == "GD 2.39" 16:07 owen Can anyone confirm? 16:07 owen IPC::Cmd doesn't have a package, so it must be installed via CPAN 16:08 owen sudo cpan IPC::Cmd GD::Barcode::UPCE 16:09 owen sudo apt-get install libpdf-reuse-barcode-perl 16:09 * nengard on library 2.0 gang call 16:09 owen Someone please correct me if I'm wrong 16:09 hdl_laptop you are not 16:10 owen Hi hdl_laptop 16:10 hdl_laptop hi owen 16:10 hdl_laptop howdy ? 16:14 owen Howdy works :) 16:58 brendan morning all 17:00 owen Hi brendan 17:00 brendan hey owen - how's your install going? 17:01 owen I'm not working on it at the moment. That was on my VM at home. 17:01 owen Anyone else finding that they're not shown their logged-in branch in the staff client in the latest HEAD? 17:09 * nengard done with podcast 17:10 nengard owen - nope - I see my branch a-ok 17:10 CGI985 brendan: here is still night 17:11 owen Hmmm... probably messed up my branch tables 17:11 owen Yup. Bug report averted. 17:19 CGI985 'make test' show some failed. is it error or not? http://pastebin.org/61840 17:26 owen I second the question. How concerned should one be about problems reported by 'make test' ? 17:32 * owen will take his answer off the air 17:35 brendan @wunder 93117 17:35 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 8.9�C (9:32 AM PST on December 07, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Falling). High wind watch in effect from this evening through late tonight... 17:36 CGI985 'make test' show some failed. is it error or not? http://pastebin.org/61840 17:44 CGI985 is any one there to suggest me? 17:49 CGI985 hi any one?? 17:54 CGI985 Im waiting for response of any 17:55 CGI985 can any body guide me that I notice some erros during make test 17:55 CGI985 so should I continue and skip or fixed it 18:10 pianohacker Hallo 18:10 CGI985 hi 18:30 owen I'm still curious about CGI985's question if anyone knows the answer: If "make test" shows some failures, should one be concerned? 18:34 pianohacker Depends on the failures 18:36 pianohacker The date tests seem to fail a lot, for no appreciable reason 18:36 owen How does one know whether a failure is worth worrying about? 18:41 chris well, really nothing should fail except maybe the database tests (if you dont have a database set up) so tests failing should actually be a bug and should be fixed ... or actually be a problem, the user shouldnt have to guess wether its a safe fail or not 18:41 chris at the moment, there is no way for you to know owen, so its best to just ignore it and continue 18:42 owen Aye aye Cap'n. 18:42 brendan heh 18:42 * chris goes to catch his bus 19:07 pianohacker hi, cait 19:07 cait hi pianohacker, hi all 19:18 nengard k - done with the cataloging bibs & items documentation ... moving along nicely 19:18 nengard and just telling you all so i can take a break from staring at the docs :) hehe 19:18 cait :) 19:19 joetho I use this as my reference for making up reports- is it the current one for version 3.01? 19:19 joetho http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob_plain;f=installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql;hb=HEAD 19:19 joetho ( table structure ) 19:19 nengard pianohacker - did you know about the new sys prefs added by the recent biblibre updates? if not should I bug report them to you so you know to add them to the sys prefs additions? 19:20 nengard joetho that's for HEAD - meaning the working branch where we're all submitting patches and such 19:21 nengard I think you want this one: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha-maintenance.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql;h=11cfbc9c53a45725db55e25514b4c0cf80edc8dd;hb=HEAD 19:21 nengard it's the 3.0x working branch 19:25 joetho good enough for me. Thanks nicole engard and MERRY CHRISTMAS MONTH! 19:36 chris back 19:39 cait hi chris 19:42 chris hiya cait 19:43 * cait translating :) 19:44 owen Now that I'm working on VM's instead of a remote server I'm thinking about how to coordinate my work with git 19:44 owen I can set up a remote git repo, but I'm not sure what the correct procedure is for syncing with it 19:48 richard hi 20:06 veryinky :| 20:12 hdl_laptop hi chris 20:16 hdl_laptop owen: the "make test" pastebin reported no real blocker error, unless you want to print labels. 20:17 owen I was just curious about how to analyze those errors. Those were actually someone else's errors (he left) 20:17 owen But yeah, why wouldn't I want to print labels? :) 20:19 hdl_laptop only because chris_n heavily rewrote this part, and it should make its way, and i think he had no time to adapt those tests to what he wrote. 20:19 hdl_laptop but chris_n can object. 20:19 hdl_laptop or confirm 20:20 hdl_laptop about your remote server. 20:20 hdl_laptop I think you could do it with regular git pull --rebase from a repository. 20:21 owen Can you explain? 20:21 hdl_laptop lets say machine A contains branch blabla 20:22 hdl_laptop and machine B has a clone of this repository and has a branch Mylocalblabla tracking branch blabla of machine A 20:22 hdl_laptop you can have a cronjob 20:23 hdl_laptop which updates regularly the code of machine B based on machine A 20:23 hdl_laptop is it somewhat clearer ? 20:24 hdl_laptop I say so because pushing or making a hook in your machine A doesnot seem to be the correct way to do things. 20:25 hdl_laptop at least it is my experience, maybe chris or #git can confirm. 20:25 owen Still confused. I don't understand how changes to my local branch are making it to the remote repo 20:25 hdl_laptop on the remote repo you add a remote source 20:26 hdl_laptop git remote add owen ssh://localmachine/mylocalrepo 20:26 hdl_laptop and you have a cron which does : 20:26 hdl_laptop git remote update owen 20:27 hdl_laptop git rebase owen/branchyouworkon 20:27 hdl_laptop owen: clearer ? 20:29 owen I'm not sure about ssh://localmachine when the local machine is a virtual one. 20:31 hdl_laptop mmm is it a VirtualBox or a VMware virtual box ? 20:31 owen VirtualBox 20:34 Genji Anyone know Zebra innards here? 20:35 hdl_laptop depends 20:37 hdl_laptop owen: I think virtualbox can be told which IP to set to a virtual machine. If not, you could add your localmachine to /etc/hosts and use the name you choos in /etc/hosts 20:37 hdl_laptop Genji: ask. 20:37 owen thanks hdl_laptop, I'll have to look into it when I'm back on that computer. 20:38 Genji hdl_laptop: im trying to do ,st-numeric,ge but get relational not supported. 20:39 hdl_laptop i saw you tried with date and it was a semi success. 20:39 hdl_laptop It is quite surprising. 20:39 Genji hdl_laptop: Indexed field by y and n..... st-numeric= doesn't work... st-year only works if its =, doesn't support relationals either. 20:40 hdl_laptop I used st-year with success with relationals. 20:40 hdl_laptop so I am surprised. 20:40 hdl_laptop (well, in fact I used pqf search directly) 20:40 Genji hdl_laptop: used prefix language too.. same result. 20:47 chris http://blog.cr2.in/2009/12/07/liswire-ascc-consortium-in-colorado-now-live-on-liblime-enterprise-koha/ 20:47 chris liblime-- 20:51 Genji idiots... 20:51 Genji liblime-- 20:52 Ropuch LibLime and the LibLime logo, Koha and LibLime Enterprise Koha are either registered trademarks or trademarks of LibLime. 20:53 Genji Ya, noticed that. 20:53 chris its true 20:53 Ropuch I know 20:53 Ropuch But still it makes me nervous ;> 20:53 chris it makes me angry 20:54 Ropuch Same as "no vendor loc-in" as a part of LEK features 20:54 chris LibLime Enterprise Koha is built on over two years of completed customer-sponsored development, including several highly-anticipated academic and consortia features. 20:54 chris so does that line 20:55 cait :( 20:57 pie I can't believe they're still talking about Open Source, when nothing they do is related at all 20:59 Genji Its possibly just one guy. 21:01 chris no its not 21:01 chris there are at least 5 people at liblime 21:01 chris (lots less than the 16 or so) 21:01 chris but not just one 21:01 Genji Okay, at least 5..... supporting how many libraries? 21:01 chris joshua, tina, marc, bev, cecilia, maria 21:02 chris then ryan as well, and susan 21:02 chris so maybe 7 21:02 chris i dont think the number matters it the lack of ethics and lies that matter 21:03 chris and i wonder if ASCC even realise they don't have Koha 21:04 Genji Think someone should tell them? 21:12 chris they'll figure it out 21:12 Genji might be too late, already. 21:12 chris well yeah, they have probably signed a 3 year deal or something 21:18 Ropuch The other sad option is that they just don't care 21:18 chris yeah, i hope thats not the case 21:21 Genji LL support = no support? 21:23 chris only LL customers could tell you that 21:24 Genji The email on Koha suggest little support. if any. 21:28 Nate whos got 2 migrations? 21:28 Ropuch chris: can you give me admin rights to polish 3.2 translations? 21:29 chris i thought i already did that last night? 21:29 cait good night #koha 21:29 chris Nate: 2 migrations? 21:30 Nate scratch that...sorry 21:30 chris Ropuch: yes i did that last night when you asked :) 21:30 Ropuch Hm 21:30 chris you have overview, archive, view, suggest, translate,compile po files rights 21:31 wizzyrea Genji: if by support you mean helping resolve issues related to your koha install, then little support is correct. 21:32 wizzyrea (I did get a one day turnaround on a SIP config change last week, but that was abnormal( 21:32 wizzyrea (and I sent the instructions on how to fix it to them) 21:32 Ropuch chris: sorry, you're right: I have "Administrate" link near 3.0 projects 21:33 Ropuch And I was sure same should appear by 3.2 21:33 Ropuch But i have the rights to change translations, thanks :) 21:34 chris cool 21:34 Ropuch Indeed [; 21:37 Ropuch I must have messed something, i have 3932 total in opac when other langauages have 5865 21:37 CGI508 hi my name is nelson 21:38 CGI508 hey guys 21:39 Ropuch Hello Nelson 21:40 CGI508 hey ropuch! Do u have an interest in computer software? 21:40 pastebot "hdl_laptop" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "searching dates with relational elements" (16 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/82 21:41 hdl_laptop Genji: I tried your search. 21:41 Ropuch wow 21:41 hdl_laptop And it worked. 21:41 Ropuch Am I interested in computer software? It's like asking if I'm interested in eating food 21:44 Genji hdl_laptop: ya.... but thats pubdate inside 008. 21:44 owen Ropuch: That was either a returning troll or a returning bot 21:44 Genji im dealing with pubdate inside of 260$c... 21:44 hdl_laptop Genji: I donot have any 008 : Unimarc 21:45 Genji Ah. Whats your record.abs line for pubdate? 21:46 hdl_laptop see http://paste.workbuffer.org/83 21:47 brendan Genji - I believe 260$c is the copydate 21:47 Genji hmm.. whats Breaking characters? 21:47 brendan pubdate is in the leader 008 21:47 hdl_laptop It is in numeric.chr 21:47 Genji brendan: the library im working for, put pubdate in 260$c 21:48 brendan advance search in the opac - is for pubdate 21:48 brendan which is pulled from 008/7-10, indexed in year,word,num,sort indexes 21:48 brendan so I think your going to want to change that to search the copydate 21:49 brendan copydate [yyyy] (260$c, indexed in word and sort indexes) 21:49 brendan at least from my record.abs 21:50 Genji Hmm.... everything was changed from copydate to pubdate instead. In bib1.att, and record.abs 21:57 hdl_laptop have you checked 260$c is indexed as pubdate ? 21:57 hdl_laptop Going to bed now. 21:58 Genji hdl_laptop: Yes, pubdate is being indexed. 21:59 hdl_laptop annoying. 21:59 hdl_laptop have you checked it was indexed as n ? 21:59 hdl_laptop and not w ? 22:00 hdl_laptop maybe it is also indexed as w and messed the stuff. 22:00 hdl_laptop Good night 22:01 Genji suppose i could take away its W. 22:58 ian asks all and sundry: how do you ask for the biblionumbers of all items from the reserves tables for where there are, say 10 or more reserves on the bib? 23:03 SelfishMan I moved the wiki archive if anyone still needs it. New address is wget -O /dev/null http://cdn.bitl.in/wiki.koha.org-12042009.tar.bz2 23:03 SelfishMan ah, dammit 23:03 SelfishMan well, link is valid just ignore the wget junk ;-P 23:16 * pianohacker is coming to the discussion of ascc's go-live 23:16 pianohacker late 23:18 pianohacker I'm particularly annoyed because me and two coworkers have been demonstrating and pushing open-source to ASCC and CLiC (a supporting group) for about a year now, and demoing koha, and really trying to encourage a move to Koha by ASCC through liblime which was at the time trustworthy 23:18 pianohacker Regardless of how much of a part we played, it is still annoying 23:20 chris i hear that 23:20 * Genji nods. "I feel your pain." 23:21 pianohacker technicalities--- 23:21 Genji Creating a webpage to out all this publicly, would be classed defamation? 23:21 chris its only defamation if its not true 23:21 pianohacker Genji: Would depend heavily on the tone :) 23:22 pianohacker Calmly putting out the facts might help 23:22 pianohacker Demonizing liblime, as utterly tempting as it might be, would probably only cause them to dig in further and make any reconciliation more difficult 23:23 * Genji nods.... "So, its likely more people will get ensnared in Liblime unknowingly?" 23:24 pianohacker To be sure, we need to get it out there 23:25 pianohacker It depends a lot on where we go after noche buena (dec 24th) 23:46 Genji Wow.. google has started doing almost realtime updates. 23:47 Genji hdl_laptop's paste showed up in google. 23:51 Genji okay, just reindexed with 260$c pubdate:n, pubdate:s ..... im getting no results with 4=109 23:52 Genji Without 4=109.. I get Unsupported Use Attribute. 23:52 pianohacker Genji: What is the exact procedure you're using to search? 23:54 Genji auth koha kohap 23:54 Genji open localhost:9999 (sucessful, im in) 23:54 Genji find @attr 1=31 @attr 2=3 @attr 4=109 1981 23:55 Genji No results, search successful. There should be results. 23:55 Genji find @attr 1=31 @attr 2=3 1981 23:55 Genji Unsupported Use attribute 23:55 Genji For 31. 23:56 pianohacker What is the @attr 2=3 for? I'm guessing it's a comparison attribute, but why is it necessary? 23:57 Genji Not really, just explicitly say that Im looking for equality. with 4=109, 2=4 is successful (no result when there should be though) 23:57 Genji Im guessing, the default 'find' is word index based? 23:58 pianohacker Genji: What about a plain find @attr 1=31 1981 ? 23:59 pianohacker Genji: yaz-client uses PQF (the @attr stuff) by default; you would need to set it to ccl syntax to search using word indexes 23:59 pianohacker (I think ccl)