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23:54 * wizzyrea sighs
23:54 wizzyrea who thought it was a good idea to make iTunes 600MB
23:42 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 17.0�C (6:20 PM EST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
23:42 chris_n2 @wunder 28334
23:41 wizzyrea brb
23:35 chris_n2 huge_screen++
23:35 wizzyrea_ gmcharlt: I'm sure I will come to appreciate your words as gospel, but right now it seems like a football field when I'm used to a pool table
23:34 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: you can never have too much screen, alas
23:33 wizzyrea_ it's crazy huge. and it's the small one
23:33 wizzyrea_ holy jebus. I went from a 17in to a 21 in... what am I going to do with all of this screen?!
23:28 wizzyrea_ nah, I did that
23:28 wizzyrea_ lol
23:28 wizzyrea_ yea, 21.5in iMac
23:28 chris_n2 wizzyrea_: opps :-) so much for the new network card
23:23 gmcharlt is it a good 'puter?
23:21 chris cool
23:21 wizzyrea I got my new puter today :)
23:21 wizzyrea hello hello
23:14 chris_n2 and I got to eat my cheese-steak sub before it got cold ;-)
23:13 chris_n2 next meeting's agenda is started: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10jan13
23:13 chris_n2 meeting notes are up: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes09dec02
23:05 chris hey wizzyrea
23:05 pianohacker ah
22:40 * Genji headbangs. "Damnit. Damnit damnit. its only supposed to be yyyy ..."
22:39 pianohacker Why would a publishing date be a number, out of curiosity?
22:39 pianohacker Probably
22:39 Genji Someone's gone and put a non number in at least one record?
22:39 Genji This means that its not normalized?
22:38 Genji Okay, when i index the Publishing date field with just itself... its fine.. but if i add :y or :n ... it borks... Unsupported Use Attribute....
22:22 Genji Trixbox pro = Modified version of GPL code, SaaS, unreleased source, just like LEK. And both are against the spirit of FLOSS?
22:20 chris night cait
22:20 cait time to go to bed here :) good night !
22:19 brendan later
22:19 joetho me too
22:19 brendan later sekjal
22:19 sekjal time to head home. cheers, #koha!
22:03 * Genji scraps some off and cooks breakfast.
22:02 * chris_n2 thinks chris's keyboard must be dripping with sarcasm atm ;-)
22:01 Genji and i killed the channel.
21:58 Genji Trixbox just refers people onto #freepbx... and of course, they don't get much help, since trixbox have... 'trixxed out' the freepbx original. And its way behind.
21:57 Genji Ah, so its been confirmed... people are being left unsupported... and the wider community is left to pick up the pieces. Theres another company that does this. Trixbox.
21:53 cait no problem :)
21:53 Genji whats the title of the email your refering to, chris?
21:52 chris thank you
21:52 chris thats perfect
21:48 cait yeah, just read it :) cant promise when (it will perhaps go on one of our repositories), i have the file on my computer at work, email tomorrow?
21:44 chris cait: hehe she said you will upload it :)
21:44 chris :)
21:42 pianohacker it was subtle, but I got it after rereading a few times
21:42 chris heh, how could you tell?
21:42 pianohacker chris: sarcasm much? ;)
21:41 brendan wow, just getting back to my email now
21:39 sekjal well, academic libraries, at least
21:38 sekjal most of the other libraries running Koha in my immediate area are with WALDO... SO glad we didn't try to get on that bandwagon
21:37 chris tweeted her
21:37 cait chris: i can give you a short summary after reading it again, but I think she would be happy to hear from you :)
21:37 chris http://koha.org/about/get-involved/mailing-lists/mailing-listsg
21:36 Genji its not on lists.koha.org?
21:36 Genji wheres this main list?
21:35 cait if you dont reach her iI can sent you a copy, she used a cc license :)
21:34 Genji ah.... right.
21:34 chris will do, thanks cait
21:34 chris i recommend subscribing to the main list too
21:34 cait better bug her - im not good in translating german ->english
21:33 Genji only on koha-dev.
21:33 chris you seem to be missing lots of emails
21:33 chris are you on the mailing lists genji?
21:33 Genji what email's this?
21:33 cait but comments are in english
21:33 chris maybe i will just bug you to translate it :)
21:33 cait yes it is
21:33 chris ahh its in german eh?
21:33 chris i will bug her on twitter for a copy :)
21:32 cait i have to read it a second time, she sent it to me when i was in leipzig for the presentation, read it in my hotel room when I was too tired to really get it all
21:32 pianohacker Genji: WALDO is an association of academic libraries that is a major force behind lek (as I understand), and that email chris mentioned is from manhattan.edu, which is a member
21:32 imp :)
21:32 cait most people would choose koha again
21:31 cait no
21:31 cait there are some comments about support there too
21:31 chris ohh, i hope its not too bad
21:31 cait I got kaess thesis some days ago - the survey she did about how content people are with koha
21:31 * Genji is totally clueless.
21:31 Genji uhh...... lost a director?
21:29 chris nope, im just glad its public now
21:29 pianohacker Genji: http://www.waldolib.org/members.asp
21:29 Genji WALDO?
21:29 cait did you really think it was?
21:28 chris it appear all is not sunshine and roses in WALDO land
21:25 mib_lh1ydi wow... this is cool. genji here.
21:24 sekjal sounds like a good plan for future meetings.
21:24 chris very interestin
21:24 chris http://markmail.org/message/m5cmugxommlntp35
21:23 pianohacker http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.katipo.co.nz&channel=%23koha&forcePrompt=true
21:22 pianohacker Why not just a mibbit link?
21:22 chris catching up on email
21:22 chris wow
21:20 sekjal it's a neat tool, but we didn't use enough of the features to make it a better fit for the meeting than IRC
21:19 chris ppl were told
21:19 chris i count 5 of them
21:19 chris s
21:19 chris Genji: there were emails to the mailing list
21:19 chris schuster is going to put the minute ups
21:19 sekjal yes, the minutes are being published as I type
21:18 Genji no one told me about this java program.....
21:18 jwagner Was out on a site visit today, didn't get back in time.
21:18 jwagner Is it logged somewhere?
21:18 sekjal Genji: it was in this Java program that schuster's people have. Allows for screensharing, audio, video and such.
21:18 Genji hmm? how did you see it?
21:17 sekjal next time we should hold it in IRC, though.
21:16 chris yup, was interesting
21:12 sekjal KUDOS meeting complete. went well, I think
21:07 Ropuch Hi paul_p
20:58 pianohacker cool
20:56 chris but yeah i saw those errors too
20:56 chris ahh sorry, misread, the chris_n triggers my nick highlighting
20:54 chris havent had a chance to look
20:54 pianohacker just curious if he had figured out cause/solution of updatedatabase.pl errors
20:51 chris sup ?
20:48 pianohacker chris_n/chris_n2: around?
20:33 ricardo Bye Jesse & Chris :) (out)
20:33 chris cya ricardo
20:33 pianohacker bye, ricardo
20:33 ricardo Going home now. Take care everybody!
20:26 Ropuch Crap, gtranslator crashes while saving
20:20 * brendan too
20:20 brendan :)
20:20 * chris goes to be nosey
20:18 brendan sekjal++
20:17 ricardo Genji: http://kudos.koha.org/
20:17 Genji KUDOS?
20:12 brendan so the KUDOS meeting has started
20:11 brendan it's 2pm CST
20:11 chris schustertest: what is the time there now?
20:10 chris :)
20:08 brendan yup "I throw eggs at non-code-releasing" "so-called open source vendors"
20:07 chris traveller: "Is that still a requirement?"
20:07 chris aussie border guard: "Do you have any criminal convictions?"
20:07 brendan yup
20:07 chris yeah
20:07 russ looks like anyone travelling to aussie needs a visa - no wavier programme there
20:03 brendan I'm in California USA
20:02 chris or if longer than 3 months, ditto
20:02 chris get a visa
20:02 brendan you need one for australia coming from the US
20:02 chris if you plan to do any work at all
20:02 russ brendan: where are you?
20:02 brendan was just looking into visa's for australia and it made me think :)
20:02 brendan thanks
20:00 russ not many people need a visa to get into NZ :-)
20:00 chris http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/visit/visitors/
19:59 chris http://glossary.immigration.govt.nz/visafreecountries.htm
19:58 brendan instead
19:58 chris schustertest: its the same with the US
19:58 brendan so maybe a note - would be good instrad
19:58 russ i think the US and NZ are part of the same Visa waiver programme
19:58 schustertest hmmm.
19:58 russ chris: err depends on the country
19:58 brendan right
19:58 schustertest WOW! Just to visit that's interesting.
19:58 chris its different for every country
19:58 brendan ok a link to "how to get a visa" will be important
19:57 brendan you'll need a passport
19:57 chris you need both
19:57 brendan nope visa
19:57 brendan if so you're definitely going to want to add that to the kohacon wiki
19:57 schustertest visa or passport?
19:57 brendan do you need a visa to get into NZ?
19:56 brendan I had a question for you
19:56 brendan hey chris
19:56 chris back
19:33 munin Genji: The current temperature in Palmerston North Aws, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 03, 2009). Conditions: . Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
19:33 Genji @wunder palmerston north
19:33 munin brendan: Error: "-" is not a valid command.
19:33 brendan munin - it really feels colder than that here - are you sure you're correct?
19:33 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (11:31 AM PST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).
19:33 brendan @wunder 93117
19:27 schustertest another reason for doing chat.
19:27 schustertest Yes I hope to get them posted on the KUDOS website and then send them to the KOHA lists.
19:22 cait hi brendan
19:21 brendan heya cait
19:20 brendan schustertest are you going to be posting notes to the kudos meeting later?
19:20 cait hi #koha
19:19 jdavidb Ah, the Dark Arts of CSS...
19:18 schustertest I just want to change the color ;)
19:18 jdavidb Spending time in javascript will warp your brain, schustertest. In extreme cases, it can make you think that everything can be a client-side app.
19:12 schustertest OK thanks - I was having email trouble as well as well I'm technologically stumped today... I'm taking a javascript class.
19:11 brendan yup
19:11 sekjal yes
19:11 schustertest did the KUDOS meeting announcement go out on the DEVEL and Koha general lists? I'm in digest mode so can't see them.
18:57 chris ok bus time, bbl
18:48 pianohacker Apparently my IRC connection _is_ up, time to play internet connection russian roulette again and try to load this website
18:47 Ropuch ;>
18:46 pianohacker woops
18:46 pianohacker /ping/
18:25 chris hmm wrong person hehe
18:25 chris fredericd: if there is a lag, it is probably a dns issue, put some entries in you /etc/hosts
18:18 pianohacker (in your koha install directory)
18:18 pianohacker Genji: check etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg
18:16 Genji how do i figure out if Zebra is using unimarc or marc21?
18:13 * jdavidb wonders about the possibility of a transfer from PTFS to PTFS-Europe...site visits to Rome are bound to be interesting.
18:12 Colin raining here too guys site visit to Rome next week should be warmer though
18:07 schuster More rain for Friday
18:05 jdavidb None of that here yet...raining, *again*, but no snow.
18:05 schuster Yep had big flakes this morning will be gone shortly if it isn't already!
18:03 jdavidb hey, schuster, I hear from my daughter that it's snowing down your way.
18:01 * jdavidb runs in fear of the cloning shusters.
18:01 jdavidb no problem! I figured something like that.
18:01 schuster Hey thanks for replying just testing a different IRC client.
18:00 jdavidb Hi, schuster!
18:00 schuster testing
17:54 brendan I'm stuck with suggestions at the moment
17:54 ftherese it also runs through a web interface
17:54 brendan not sure
17:53 brendan ah ok
17:53 ftherese cups is the Common unix printing system
17:53 brendan not sure what you mean cups?
17:52 ftherese brendan: why does cups load instantly between menu items, whereas koha has to think about it each time?
17:48 brendan it will show you whats running and how much memory etc. is being used
17:47 brendan top
17:47 brendan if you go to your command line and type
17:47 ftherese brendan, I did a fresh install on a new machine
17:47 ftherese bye paul_p
17:47 brendan bye paul_p
17:47 paul_p leaving now.
17:47 brendan you can also check to see if there are some un-neccesary processes that are running on your server
17:47 ftherese I think it is a dns issue, but when I have VirtualHost set to the local network
17:47 paul_p ftherese: yep, in the browser
17:46 * paul_p has to head back home. ftherese, i hope you'll find a solution.
17:46 ftherese where is browser cache set? in the browser?..
17:46 paul_p maybe a DNS issue can explain slowness too
17:46 ftherese I am Ubuntu 9.x
17:46 paul_p otherwise, all the js/jquery stuff is loaded everytime, and, it's true, it's long.
17:46 paul_p ftherese: is your browser cache ON ?
17:45 brendan ftherese which linux are you on?
17:45 ftherese is there anything that can be done to remove these hesitations in the koha web-interface?
17:41 ftherese just wait a few seconds
17:41 ftherese well
17:41 ftherese koha...
17:41 ftherese cups responds almost imediately
17:40 ftherese why is there so much hesitation at the level of simple page navigation?
17:40 ftherese it takes the same amount of time to go from one page to another as it does to make a search
17:40 ftherese I am even using it on raid
17:40 ftherese yes
17:39 brendan ftherese are you using zebra?
17:39 ftherese I am afraid that it will not be accepted by our library if it can't respond a little quicker
17:38 ftherese is there anyway to speed up koha?
17:08 kf :)
17:08 brendan later kf
17:08 kf bye #koha
17:06 sekjal I think the universe decided that massive sucker punch was the order of the day; getting it from all sides this morning!
17:02 * chris_n thinks impatiences strikes everyone at some point in time ;-)
17:01 sekjal argh, I hate that!
17:01 sekjal working now
17:01 sekjal ... apparently, I'm just impatient
17:01 sekjal this happened earlier today, and a second reboot fixed it. since putting a symlink to misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh in my /etc/init.d, however, subsequent reboots have not fixed it
16:59 chris_n sekjal: maybe tail the apache error.log or access.log to see what's up
16:58 sekjal rebooted my server, now the OPAC and staff client are unreachable. apache, mysql and perl are all running according to top
16:14 sekjal great. ::takes more notes::
16:14 gmcharlt sekjal: genrally speaking, yes
16:13 sekjal and just to confirm, it's better to use rebuild_zebra.pl in cron than to run the zebraqueue-daemon, correct?
15:52 gmcharlt sekjal: note that misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh takes care of that for you, so you may want to tweak your startup scripts to follow it's lead
15:47 sekjal ah, thanks gmcharlt. I'm noting that in my local docs
15:43 gmcharlt sekjal: most ubuntu and debian distros clear out /var/lock entirely during reboot
15:34 sekjal okay, dopey me, didn't recreate the directory; thought it would still be there from before
15:31 sekjal getting "lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [No such file or directory]"
15:30 sekjal rebooted my production server this morning, and now I can't get zebrasrv to restart.
15:22 * chris_n notes more pain from closed source forking on the list
15:04 chris_n found it
15:03 * chris_n is looking for the syspref
15:03 hdl_laptop yes. book bag is usefull also for librarians.
15:02 hdl_laptop chris_n
15:01 chris_n looks bit odd with that green/gray button stuck up there :-)
15:01 gmcharlt chris_n: yep, one of the BL patches implements that - it's the intranetbookbag pref IIRC
14:59 * chris_n scratches his head
14:59 chris_n interesting... the opac cart button now shows up in the staff interface...
14:35 chris_n tnx hdl_laptop
14:35 hdl_laptop chris_n: will post some followup
14:33 chris_n the only error in the log is the complaint about the missing Authen::CAS dependency
14:32 chris_n hdl_laptop: the entire output is here ^^
14:32 pastebot "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "db update output after morning rebase" (57 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/69
14:31 chris_n hdl_laptop: those were all of the errors
14:29 chris_n k
14:29 hdl_laptop whole thing : all the errors sent
14:29 chris_n "whole thing" eq ?
14:28 hdl_laptop could you send the whole thing to me ?
14:28 hdl_laptop chris_n many updatedatabase were done with certain assumption.
14:27 Colin There's also a dependency missing I've posted a bug and patch
14:27 chris_n hdl_laptop: any thoughts on what might be going on?
14:27 hdl_laptop jwagner: he pushed biblibre patches
14:27 hdl_laptop yes.
14:27 jwagner gmcharlt, you've updated head?
14:26 chris_n untill this morning, it rebased smoothly
14:26 chris_n I'm rebase-ing a working branch
14:26 Colin jwagner: head I've got them too, going to run some restore reruns to try & fix
14:26 chris_n heh
14:26 jwagner OK, remind me not to rebase then :-)
14:25 chris_n it is from a rebase over the current head
14:25 jwagner chris_n, is this from head or something else?
14:24 chris_n hdl_laptop: any thoughts on the above errors?
14:24 pastebot "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "db update errors after morning rebase" (15 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/68
14:23 chris_n perhaps I should say the db throws them
14:22 munin hilongo: The current temperature in Mendoza, Argentina is 22.0�C (10:00 AM ART on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
14:22 hilongo @wunder Mendoza, Argentina
14:22 chris_n upgradedatabase.pl throws tons of errors after rebase
14:22 * jdavidb scratches his head
14:22 munin jdavidb: Error: No such location could be found.
14:22 jdavidb @wunder montreal
14:22 munin hdl_laptop: Error: No such location could be found.
14:22 chris_n wow
14:22 hdl_laptop @wunder Montréal, canada
14:22 munin hdl_laptop: Error: No such location could be found.
14:22 hdl_laptop @wunder Montréal
14:21 munin hdl_laptop: Error: No such location could be found.
14:21 hdl_laptop @wunder quebec
14:21 munin hilongo: hilongo was last seen in #koha 24 seconds ago: * hilongo jumps
14:21 hilongo @seen hilongo
14:20 * hilongo jumps
14:20 hilongo \me
14:19 hilongo anybody home?
14:19 hilongo hi there
14:17 munin magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (2:50 PM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
14:17 magnusenger @wunder bodo, norway
14:13 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 9.0�C (3:00 PM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
14:13 nicomo @wunder Lyon, france
14:01 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.4�C (2:49 PM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling).
14:01 kf @wunder Konstanz
13:58 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 4.8�C (8:57 AM EST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Rising).
13:58 jwagner @wunder 20740
13:34 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 8.9�C (8:20 AM EST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady).
13:34 chris_n @wunder 28334
13:28 kf CGI735: mappings? we use 3.01.00.061
13:00 CGI735 What version are you using? Are you using any mappings etc?
12:55 kf CGI735: I noticed there is a problem with umlauts in the subject, but in the email text everything seems to work ok
12:45 CGI735 Can anyone help me with diacritics in Koha? My emai overdues are making the users name look funny as it doesn't reconise é or á etc.
12:20 CGI735 Anyone know how to remove "More Seaches" in 3.0?
12:19 kf back
12:07 jwagner Elwell, logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ -- click on Today for this morning's meeting.
12:04 Elwell heyo - are there logs around from the meeting this AM?
11:59 CGI735 Can anyone help me figure out where I can specify SMTP server details for sending out overdue notices? Pulling my hair out here.
11:47 * thd had a lot of fun playing login name detective
11:45 thd maybe we will have a couple more votes also
11:43 gmcharlt heh, no doubt
11:43 thd gmcharlt: I suspect that we would have the PHP code changed for a new footer just about the time that we have a reassuring answer from SFLC.
11:42 thd chris seemed concerned in a way that I am not but I am a little reluctant to presume where others are expressing concern.
11:41 thd I am actually expecting SFLC to say go ahead and make it retroactive but they may not give an answer for perhaps another week.
11:39 thd I agree, but that makes the statement retroactive.
11:38 gmcharlt thd: it may be just the mood I'm in, but if somebody who didn't care enough to vote wants to (re)assert the old license, they can do so whenever they notice and want to do something about
11:37 thd or at least all their old content?
11:37 thd gmcharlt: does that not meean that we have to go about marking all the nonvoting contributors'content?..
11:37 gmcharlt individual can retag their content as CC-BY-NC-SA is they desire
11:36 gmcharlt thd: I think the "unless otherwise stated, content is GPL" actually would cover it
11:36 thd gmcharlt: I think that we will have to discuss footer language on the mailing list for how to have one footer to cover both old and new wiki content until SFLC gives some good advice..
11:35 Genji how far away, kf?
11:35 kf lunch time - bbl :)
11:33 Genji chris++ # for the voodoo.
11:33 Genji okay, anyone available for some zebra voodoo troubleshooting?
11:32 chris night all, thanks for your time
11:31 kf good night nz :)
11:30 chris good night GeorgeSue, thanks for coming
11:30 GeorgeSue Very interesting Good night
11:30 hdl_laptop thanks a lot
11:29 chris_n2 meeting notes will be up by 0200 UTC+0 03-12-2008... earlier if I have time
11:29 jransom night all - bed for me
11:29 thd gmcharlt: I imagine more general purpose conditional search and replacement of record values although that may be migration to some way of looking at it.
11:28 * chris_n2 has to head off to get ready for work
11:28 hdl_laptop or 3.02.00.000
11:27 paul_p (or 3.02.something)
11:27 gmcharlt indeed - just a sec
11:27 hdl_laptop should be 100
11:27 paul_p 3.01.00.000 is wrong isn't it ?
11:27 paul_p + our $VERSION = '3.01.00.000';
11:27 thd gmcharlt: Records are already in the database but yes it is related to migration but I imagine other applications from modifying it which have nothing to do with migration
11:27 paul_p - our $VERSION = '3.01.00.130';
11:27 paul_p gmcharlt: your last commit seems wrong : http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=0c7e7053e2ec3ca33061b997ebbbe50f5d3f5f3a
11:26 gmcharlt but I don't care either way - misc/examples is fine
11:26 gmcharlt which is arguably at least potentially related to migration
11:25 thd gmcharlt: It is for post-migration refactoring the Koha itemtypes.
11:24 gmcharlt misc/examples otherwise
11:24 gmcharlt thd: misc/migration_tools if you want to go with an existing directory
11:24 thd gmcharlt: Call number values and previous Koha itemtypes are conditions.
11:23 tajoli OK, bye
11:23 thd gmcharlt: it repopulates Koha itemtypes based on a set of values in the script to new ones for every record in the database containing items.
11:22 chris is the request-pull bit
11:22 chris http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=10#comments
11:22 paul_p thanks gmcharlt. Added to my akregator ;-)
11:22 gmcharlt thd: what does the script in question do?
11:22 gmcharlt paul_p: http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=10
11:21 hdl_laptop man git-request-pull
11:21 thd gmcharlt: we have no example scripts really.
11:21 thd gmcharlt: you need to choose a place to put it.
11:20 paul_p chris: don't even know galen's blog url :(((
11:20 jwagner chris or gmcharlt, URL?
11:20 gmcharlt thd: should be OK
11:20 chris very cool
11:20 chris paul_p: did you see the tutorial on galens blog? there is a git request-pull command
11:20 thd gmcharlt: what about something which lives outside the code as an example script?
11:19 gmcharlt yep, I agree
11:18 paul_p we can consider them as "bugfixes" I think (at least nicomo consider the changes as mandatory to have something useable ;-) )
11:18 gmcharlt ok
11:17 paul_p gmcharlt: we are improving ergonomy of new_acq. no new features, just ergonomy & workflow improvements
11:17 gmcharlt but only for bugfixes
11:17 gmcharlt paul_p: I'll take merge requests
11:16 paul_p gmcharlt: about 3.2 = we (BibLibre) continue working hard on our branch. will you merge, or do you need patches through bugs.koha.org & git-send-email ?
11:16 thd I am not certain how we would word a common footer with retroactivity in limbo.
11:15 thd If I could interject, something about the wiki before we conclude
11:15 gmcharlt and call this meeting closed
11:15 gmcharlt as it more properly belongs in general 3.4 plannig anyway
11:15 gmcharlt agenda item
11:15 gmcharlt Roles on Bugzilla for 3.2.x and 3.4 ?
11:15 gmcharlt I'm going to skip the #
11:14 gmcharlt ok - we'll have a lot more discuss tomorrow at the foundation-forming meeting (19:00 UTC+0)
11:13 gmcharlt tajoli: agreed
11:13 tajoli I think that a 'alpha' version of 3.2 is a must if we want ppl test it
11:13 * chris_n2 hears the coffee pot finish up
11:10 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: very early Jan most likely for RC, depnding on how bug finding goes
11:10 thd Colin: Germans at least will loose data now
11:09 thd Colin: I have been too busy the past 3 weeks but I must update the MARC 21 frameworks
11:09 hdl_laptop and no other dates for RC or whatever ?
11:08 thd ColinL yes
11:08 Colin gmcharlt:apart from general testing are there 3.2 issues that need addressing
11:08 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: working on alpha in next few days after a cherry pick from email patch queue
11:08 thd Ok
11:08 gmcharlt thd: I think a single meeting
11:07 thd s/separate/separate dates/
11:07 gmcharlt kf: go ahead and test HEAD now - there's a lot to test
11:07 hdl_laptop ?
11:07 hdl_laptop Is there a timeline for 3.2 maybe i missed that part....
11:07 kf gmcharlt: does it make sense to start testing 3.2/HEAD now or better wait until there is a tag in git for an alpha release?
11:06 thd So is 13th for general meeting with election or two separate meetings?
11:06 chris_n2 please take time to read over http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:roles3.4 before the next meeting and add names to the hat accordingly
11:06 tajoli in fact 01 UTC is too late, but 19.00 UTC is oK
11:06 hdl_laptop 13th+1 19h+1
11:05 gmcharlt tajoli: every hour? just for you, let's do it at 01:00 UTC ;)
11:05 hdl_laptop ok
11:05 davi +1
11:05 tajoli OK at every hour
11:05 ricardo OK. 13th is fine by me
11:05 thd +1
11:05 gmcharlt and agenda to include elections for 3.4
11:05 chris_n2 +1
11:05 gmcharlt 19:00 UTC?
11:05 gmcharlt ok, I think we have a preponderance for the 13th
11:04 thd 13th )=+1
11:04 indradg 13th +1
11:04 davi 13th, at what hour?
11:04 chris_n2 13th+1
11:04 BobB 13th +1
11:04 chris 13th+1
11:03 paul_p (and probably, 9th with be with my family, not on a chat...)
11:03 gmcharlt 13th +1
11:03 jwagner Actually I meant the 13th instead of the 6th or 8th.
11:03 * paul_p kidding, 8th is OK
11:03 paul_p why not 9th ? (my birthday :D )
11:03 thd Are all the +1s for Saturday in Oceania?
11:03 davi 13th = +1
11:03 ricardo OK. So we have dates for the 2 meetings right? (8th and 13th) ;-)
11:02 tajoli 13th = +1
11:02 tajoli +1
11:02 ricardo 8th = +1
11:02 kf +1
11:02 jwagner What about pushing back a week to January 13?
11:02 hdl_laptop +1
11:02 indradg +1
11:02 chris_n2 +1
11:02 gmcharlt +1
11:02 thd hdl_laptop: that will be very helpful especially if it is explicit about identifying what is new
11:01 chris shall we schedule roles for 3.4 as a topic for that next meeting?
11:01 hdl_laptop thd is that ok for you ?
11:01 chris_n2 8th +1
11:01 ricardo thd: OK
11:01 gmcharlt 8 January would be Saturday for NZers/Aussies
11:01 davi gmcharlt, I would set it at 8
11:01 hdl_laptop thd: i will make a not in release notes.
11:01 tajoli Standard holyday 1-6 Jan (only 3 work day)
11:00 BobB Most of Australia is on holiday until mid-January, probably NZ too
11:00 chris_n2 6th is bad for me too
11:00 thd ricardo: attach special importance even if it is a general meeting
11:00 hdl_laptop oh epiphany ?
11:00 ricardo davi: Ah yes, "Kings Day". True
11:00 tajoli yes, much better (we retrun to work) !!
11:00 davi 6 Jan is a very bad date for Spain too
11:00 gmcharlt tajoli: is 7 Jan better?
11:00 ricardo thd: "signification"?
10:59 thd We should at least have special signification
10:59 tajoli 6 Jan is a very bad date for italy
10:59 gmcharlt thoughts?
10:59 gmcharlt or call a special meeting for
10:59 gmcharlt which we can either make the main topic of the 6 January meeting
10:59 hdl_laptop So now, to fix that, we have to take them in.
10:58 gmcharlt 2 - when to hold elections for 3.4
10:58 hdl_laptop But they were missing.
10:58 hdl_laptop Because cherry-picking made some calls to those tables.
10:58 gmcharlt 1 - when to hold the next general devel meeting - if we follow the usual pattern, it woudl be 6 January 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0
10:58 ricardo http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-October/004749.html
10:58 ricardo [Koha-patches] [PATCH] Added Locale::PO dependency in Makefile.PL
10:58 hdl_laptop thd: yes.
10:58 gmcharlt moving on, I think we have two scheduling decisions
10:57 thd hdl_laptop: do I understand that you have added columns to 3.0.x?
10:57 ricardo hdl_laptop: There are also a few minor dependencies that should be added to Makefile.PL (Locale::PO and YAML). I created a patch for Locale::PO but not for YAML yet
10:57 gmcharlt hdl_laptop++ # thanks
10:57 chris and then created a postgres db from that schema, worked really well
10:57 hdl_laptop any questions ?
10:57 hdl_laptop ok. I have finished with 3.0.x
10:57 chris i created a schema from it and the msyql db
10:57 tajoli OK, so we return on it later
10:56 thd :}
10:56 chris but DBIx::Class is certainly a front runner
10:56 chris then we can hash out 3.4
10:56 chris lets get 3.2 out
10:56 chris its premature to decide yet
10:56 thd chris: atz had tested I think.
10:55 chris liblime?
10:55 thd tajoli: I think that chris and experiments at LibLime are quite confident
10:55 Colin We need to flesh out the path
10:55 tajoli SQL docs must to be outside
10:55 chris the only thing that is sure is no more mysql only
10:54 tajoli If it is sure, no problem
10:54 tajoli As I see the idea is to use DBIx::Class on 3.4
10:54 chris sounds good hdl_laptop
10:54 tajoli But it only an example.
10:53 hdl_laptop at least until 3.2 is released.
10:53 paul_p tajoli: aqbookfund table diseappear in 3.2 ;-) (replaced by aqbudgets, that has FK)
10:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3730 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ricmarques@spamcop.net, NEW, Wrong ISO 639-2 Language Code for Portuguese in database
10:53 ricardo Bug 3730
10:53 ricardo hdl_laptop: Hi. Is this the time where I should lobby to commit my patches for 3.0.5? :)
10:53 chris_n2 paul_p: finding != taking ;-)
10:53 chris metres
10:53 thd tajoli: you can always try to provoke extending the discussion or provoke a concluding discussion
10:53 chris it will be faster for me tho, since translate.koha.org is about 3 mitres away from me
10:53 hdl_laptop I think that I will maintain 3.0.x branch for some time.
10:53 paul_p chris: findin time isn't hard ? lucky you :-)
10:52 chris it just takes time (isnt hard)
10:52 tajoli sorry, the discusion it stops
10:52 chris then upload them all into pootle
10:52 thd tajoli: that happens on IRC also.
10:52 chris run update.pl
10:52 chris (so in git)
10:51 chris basically you have to get all the .po files
10:51 hdl_laptop But you would have to tell me.
10:51 tajoli stop, don't go to a conclusion
10:51 hdl_laptop I could do.
10:51 chris until friday nz time
10:51 chris so wont be able to regen the .po files
10:51 thd tajoli: go down?
10:51 chris i have to do a release for work tomorrow
10:50 hdl_laptop they should be git submodules imho
10:50 hdl_laptop and SIP.
10:50 tajoli The problem of mailing list is that the topic always go down
10:50 hdl_laptop so should also the etc directory
10:50 chris maybe ill put that on 3.4 list too
10:50 hdl_laptop I think so.
10:50 hdl_laptop (it concerns help file mainly)
10:50 chris we really need to separate the translation packs from the release
10:50 tajoli aqbookfund.branchcode is connect with branches.branchcode but it is a implicit link
10:49 hdl_laptop But anyhow packing that at the end of the week.
10:49 chris ah ok
10:49 hdl_laptop it is kind of 10 strings more.
10:49 chris im not sure we need to give them moer
10:49 chris people have had lots of time to do it
10:49 hdl_laptop translations will have to be updated.
10:48 hdl_laptop chris some strings are still missing.
10:48 Genji-wireless hdl_laptop++
10:48 hdl_laptop I announced that at the beginning of the week.
10:48 chris hdl_laptop++
10:48 chris the more i read about AutoDoc tho, the more i think that DBIx::Class plus Autodoc is going to be the win for documentation, we may not even need schemaspy
10:48 hdl_laptop 3.0.5 is about to be released.
10:48 gmcharlt hdl_laptop is back, so let's move on to the 3.0 update
10:47 chris but i think galen is right, this is a discussion better had on the mailing list
10:47 paul_p implicit constraints are a mistake/bug
10:46 tajoli SchemaSpy use the 'comment' instruction on Mysql (and the equivalent on PostgreSQL) to insert informatin in the web pages
10:46 paul_p tajoli: can you give an example ?
10:46 chris thats the plan
10:46 Colin I would hope that with DBIx::Class the implicit becomes explicit
10:45 tajoli There are 'implict relations'
10:45 tajoli The problem is that data inside tables have relations, without the sql instruction 'constraint'
10:44 ricardo gmcharlt: OK :)
10:44 gmcharlt ricardo: "wanders back in"
10:43 ricardo gmcharlt: "mosies"?
10:43 gmcharlt but +1 to both DBIC and ensuring that we can maintain DB schema docs in the long run
10:43 tajoli And I think we will never transalte Mysql level docs
10:43 * gmcharlt mosies back in - I think we have identified the issues, but it looks like this is a matter for the mailing lists
10:43 chris ?
10:42 tajoli So we need to document relations in extra doc files (like schemaspy webpages)
10:42 chris is one way
10:42 tajoli But we can't have explicit all relations without a big rewrite
10:42 chris plus http://search.cpan.org/~frew/DBIx-Class-0.08114/lib/DBIx/Class/Schema.pm
10:41 chris http://search.cpan.org/~jasonk/DBICx-AutoDoc-0.04/lib/DBICx/AutoDoc.pm
10:41 Colin Hopefully the schema will be better defined so we can extract from it
10:41 hdl_laptop tajoli: in order to be translatable, anyway, documentation would have rather be outside.
10:41 tajoli (a new feature of SchemaSpay that we sponsor)
10:40 chris its not decided yet, so i wouldnt decide how you plan to use it yet either
10:40 tajoli -- Create documentation with SchemmaSpy starting from xml file
10:40 tajoli Probably to:
10:40 tajoli In a n extra file
10:39 tajoli So the SQL documentation needs to be written outside
10:39 tajoli well DBIx::Class doesn't support comment inside SQL definition (the comment instruction)
10:38 chris we may end up with no .sql file at all and only DBIx::Class schema files
10:37 chris the goal is no more mysql only dependency
10:37 chris havent finalised that yet
10:36 chris_n2 ie DBIx::Class::AutoDoc
10:36 tajoli Butdoes the sql file need to be usable with MySQL and PostegreSQL at the same time ?
10:35 chris_n2 tajoli: DBIx::Class has some documentation generation features iirc
10:34 chris probably DBIx::Class and one sql file
10:34 tajoli or only one xxx.sql file ?
10:34 chris most likely
10:34 tajoli or we use DBIx::Class ?
10:33 chris no
10:33 tajoli The 3.4 will be Mysql + PostgresSQL with two xx.sql files ?
10:33 chris the schema will be the same of course
10:33 tajoli and this the problem
10:32 chris 3.4 is not going to be mysql only
10:32 paul_p cilea++
10:32 tajoli As CILEA we think to be able to mantain it in 3.2 and 3.4
10:32 thd paul_p it is all logged but retroactive would be simplest
10:31 tajoli is the documentation about MySQL tables, indexes, relations
10:31 paul_p about wiki relicensing: can we know what has been written by who ?
10:31 tajoli this page http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:dbschema
10:30 Genji tajoli: what do you mean by an DB doc?
10:30 gmcharlt tajoli: what did you want to say re DB doc
10:30 * Genji nods.
10:30 thd So I suggest that we go forward with new content as GPL 2 or later and old content is in limbo.
10:30 gmcharlt anyway, we're off agenda - since the technical issue of changing the license footer will require time anyway, we'll what to see what the SFLC says
10:30 chris and even if it cant, it only needs to be re-engineered fi you need it for something the current license prevents
10:29 thd joint work could be relicensed without re-engineering anything.
10:29 gmcharlt Genji: if need be, of course, although I'm hoping we can avoid that
10:29 chris there is no need
10:28 Genji what about old content? can we clean room re-engineer it?
10:28 thd gmcharlt: There is the joint work theory of authorship which should allow it.
10:28 chris *nod*
10:28 gmcharlt but we can at least guarantee that new content is licensed under the GPL *now*
10:27 gmcharlt thd: strictly speaking, retroactivity is almost certainly impossible w/o the explicit consent of LL
10:27 thd New content is obviously no problem except as a derived work.
10:26 thd I would really like to have this retroactive.
10:26 thd We should at least see what the lawyers have to say about any formal expression of the relicensing.
10:26 chris but for all new content, and all content that has been consented to, there is no issue with that
10:25 thd gmcharlt: getting this wrong could expose us to statutory damages
10:25 chris i agree, the concern i had was relicensing content for those who had not consented
10:25 thd gmcharlt : I really thin that it is just an issue of formal proceedure
10:25 gmcharlt at the very lieast, there is no possible bar to (a) changing the license for new content and (b) relicesning content by the other copyright holders
10:25 thd chrisL do you want to reveal any concern which you had thought?
10:24 thd I am not for a delay personally but I know others have expressed concern.
10:24 thd We could discuss them on the mailing lis if there is somethin g more to be done
10:24 gmcharlt thd: with respect, why delay again?
10:23 Genji man, LL have really made it difficult for us.
10:23 thd I think we should wait a few days to see if SFLC raises any issues.
10:23 gmcharlt tajoli: yep, as I said, I'll likely have to poke cfouts
10:23 thd Yes, I will locate the file an we can consider an appropriate patch.
10:22 tajoli I think no, without LL
10:22 tajoli And we can change the code ?
10:22 thd The DokuWiki options have no option for GPL.
10:21 tajoli yes, I insert this topic
10:21 thd There is a technical issue that changing the footer will require changing the code.
10:21 gmcharlt Decision about documentation of DB level (Zeno Tajoli)
10:21 gmcharlt #
10:21 gmcharlt next item on agenda
10:21 thd Yes
10:20 chris ahh righto
10:20 thd chris: The question of the formal issues about legal questions of relicensing.
10:20 tajoli For me, no
10:19 gmcharlt hi GeorgeSue, and welcome
10:19 gmcharlt any other notes on the wiki relicensing?
10:19 chris thd: for?
10:19 thd Koha is currently in a management queue at SFLC.
10:19 GeorgeSue Hi everyone, Keep up the good work
10:19 gmcharlt I may have to bring in cfouts
10:19 gmcharlt since, annoyingly, the GPL is not listed as an option in our dokuwiki's installation, I'll poke around and see what I can do to change it
10:18 paul_p GeorgeSue: hello from France. good luck with reading IRC, it's quite hard when you begin...
10:18 thd I had sadly delayed contacting the SFLC with other things which I was doing so I am expecting to enter the Koha project in the intake process any day now.
10:18 Amit hi George
10:18 chris_n2 hi George
10:18 Genji Wow! hiya GeorgeSue!
10:18 tajoli no
10:18 chris Hi George :)
10:18 Genji We control the wiki?
10:18 jransom May I introduce George Sue please folks, from HLT. Trustee appointed to work with Koha. Be gentle with him - hes new to irc :)
10:18 chris sounds right
10:17 gmcharlt the other being updating the signup page for new accounts to mention the new licensing
10:17 chris we have logbot_backup now tho, which is stll logging the channel
10:17 thd Some people have moved, changed addresses, etc. and are now lost without the expense of public records search.
10:16 gmcharlt one being updating the footer to point to the GPL instead of CC-BY-NC-SA
10:16 thd I have yet to telephone India and Pakistan for extra encouragement about voting
10:16 Genji Ahh.
10:16 paul_p thd++ for this job
10:16 gmcharlt there are at least two parts
10:16 gmcharlt so, in terms of implementing the decision
10:16 paul_p Genji: before, we had logbot, but it disappeared (was LL supported)
10:15 thd I have worked very hard identifying and communicating with several of the yet to vote to come to the current totals
10:15 gmcharlt certainly any wiki edits they made after leaving LL are copyright themselves or their current employer
10:15 paul_p just means kados didn't come on this channel since the birth of munin
10:15 Genji Ah.
10:15 paul_p Genji: munin is a new bot, here only for 6 months.
10:15 thd We might add the 4 or so LibLime employee votes to the other categories
10:15 gmcharlt and if he wants to make an issue of it later, well, that's his prerogative, but that shouldn't hold up the vote
10:15 Genji !!!
10:14 munin Genji: I have not seen kados.
10:14 Genji @seen kados
10:14 gmcharlt but frankly, he's had plenty of opportunity
10:14 chris +1
10:14 gmcharlt but, well, who knows? kados has not weighed in
10:14 thd we have 33 in other categories excluding spammers
10:14 gmcharlt not necesary that LL is opposed to relicesning
10:14 Genji Ah.
10:14 gmcharlt Genji: no, that any edits made by a LL employee are copyright the company
10:14 magnusenger Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (sorry, was away for a few minutes)
10:14 GeorgeSue Greetings everyone, sorry I am late
10:13 chris_n2 gmcharlt: +1
10:13 Genji "majority discounting" meaning liblime are hostile voters?
10:13 thd checking the latest count we have 47 in favour from which 4 LibLime votes might be subtracted
10:13 gmcharlt I make a motion that we go ahead and consider the relicensing approved
10:13 gmcharlt and as there hasn't been any dissenting votes
10:12 chris there were 3 more yesses this week
10:12 chris *nod*
10:12 gmcharlt i.e., majority approving relicensing the wiki content to the GPL
10:12 thd Yes
10:12 gmcharlt thd just told me that we have we have a majority discounting all LibLime employee votes
10:12 chris for 3.4 we need to have elections for the positions for that .. we might need to schedule that sometime soon
10:11 gmcharlt anyway, the next agenda item is follow-up from the previous meeting, but that is basically identical to the other agenda item, the wiki relicensing
10:11 paul_p (they are not in production though...)
10:10 paul_p note that our biblibre branch ((so almost 3.2) is being tested by Aix-Marseille universities, that reports some problems, but overall, it works pretty well
10:10 Genji liblime--
10:10 Genji paul_p++
10:10 * gmcharlt stiffles a snarky response to paul_p's last comment
10:09 jransom This is great gmcharlt - well done
10:09 paul_p gmcharlt: and you're quicker than some other companies that can't find time to open their git repo ;-)
10:09 gmcharlt moving on, I'll pass over 3.0 until hdl_laptop comes back
10:09 chris cool
10:09 thd its not the speed but the quality which counts
10:09 gmcharlt anyway, that's essentially it for me - bugfixes will be going in to 3.2, but I also intend to create a 3.2 branch soon so that HEAD can start accepting patches for 3.4
10:08 kmkale hi al
10:08 jwagner gmcharlt, you're quicker than just about any of US would be!
10:08 chris_n2 gmcharlt++
10:08 munin gmcharlt: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
10:08 gmcharlt gmcharlt-- # sorry for being so slow
10:08 kf gmcharlt++
10:08 Genji gmcharlt++
10:07 chris gmcharlt++
10:07 gmcharlt it will (again, at long last) be alpha
10:07 paul_p hdl_laptop: (told us a few minuts ago that you're just 2 patches ahead from our git)
10:07 gmcharlt and doing final merges of pianohacker's syspref stuff and chris_n2's labels work
10:07 gmcharlt after picking through the patch queue for remaining bugfixes
10:06 paul_p acq & many other patches (almost 500)
10:06 gmcharlt it's a lot of stuff, so please test thoroughly
10:06 gmcharlt I've at long last merged in B-L's acq branch
10:06 gmcharlt first agenda item - 3.2
10:06 gmcharlt thanks
10:05 chris_n2 right
10:05 gmcharlt chris_n2: may I ask to you to take notes?
10:05 gmcharlt page for this meeting is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes09dec02
10:05 gmcharlt thanks
10:04 nahuel Nahuel Angelinetti, BibLibre, France (like paul and hdl)
10:04 davi Davi Diaz (worker for software.coop)
10:04 Genji Waylon robertson, Palmerston North, New Zealand, currently working on koha for a Saudi Arabia private library/journal collection
10:04 paul_p hdl_laptop will be a little bit late, but he will arrive asap
10:04 nahuel hi
10:03 * Ropuch Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE, Poland
10:03 BobB Bob Birchall, Calyx in Sydney
10:03 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme New York City
10:03 Amit Amit Gupta= Nucsoft Osslabs, Bangalore, India
10:03 jransom Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ
10:03 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, Cilea (Italy)
10:03 * kf = Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
10:03 Colin Colin Campbell PTFS Europe
10:03 chris Chris Cormack, Catalyst, Translation Manager
10:02 * paul_p = paul poulain, BibLibre
10:02 * chris_n2 Chris Nighswonger, FBC
10:02 jwagner Jane Wagner, PTFS
10:02 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.2RM
10:02 jwagner paul_p, it's 5 AM here.
10:02 gmcharlt first, a round of intros
10:01 gmcharlt anyway, let's get this show on the road
10:01 * chris_n2 passes around virtual donuts
10:01 paul_p the answer is no : usually, I wake up at 6
10:01 jransom 11pm here in NZ
10:01 Amit hi paul_p, galen
10:01 gmcharlt paul_p: 05:00 for me
10:01 paul_p 4AM ?
10:01 gmcharlt jwagner: every single day, it seems :)
10:01 kf jwagner: its not that early here 11
10:01 paul_p what time is it for you jwagner ?
10:00 * jwagner props open a bleary eye
10:00 jwagner But do you European types really get up this early every morning?
10:00 chris_n2 hi paul_p
10:00 jwagner and everyone
10:00 jwagner guten morgen kf
10:00 paul_p g'morning chris_n2, gmcharlt, jwagner & all
10:00 Genji find @attr 1=31 "1983" = Unsupported Use attribute
10:00 paul_p s/those days/today/
10:00 paul_p us very early those days...
10:00 kf hi Amit
09:59 Amit hi kf
09:59 kf Guten Morgen jwagner :)
09:58 gmcharlt in four minutes
09:58 Genji when's this devel meeting?
09:58 chris_n2 g'morning
09:55 munin Genji: Error: "time" is not a valid command.
09:55 Genji @time
09:55 tajoli sorry, I don't know IRC commands and I use ChatZilla ( in fact a command-line IRC)
09:54 Genji time?
09:54 tajoli time
09:45 thd Genji: I have not mastered the machinations of Zebra yet. I have managed all of Z39.50 for which Zebra does not quite have complete support.
09:40 Genji got pubdate,pubdate:s,copydate,copydate:s currently
09:40 Genji so, whats a record.abs definition that will allow me to use st-numeric sucessfully?
09:39 thd Genji: if all your records have only four digits in 260 $c, then consider yourself blessed.
09:38 chris hi hdl_laptop
09:38 hdl_laptop hi all
09:37 Genji I need to be able to use st-numeric and st-numeric,ge and st-numeric,le .... throughout the db, 260 $c is only four digits.
09:36 thd Genji: You cannot rely upon it having a four digit year date as it often has other forms sometimes with both copyright and publication date in the same subfield.
09:34 thd Genji: 260 $c is a minimal level requirement and might contain publication date and or copyright date.
09:33 Genji on the devel install im working on, tis mapped to @attr 31.
09:32 Genji 260 c is the publishing date field...
09:32 thd Genji: everyone using MARC 21 should be using 260 $c.
09:31 Amit heya galen
09:30 Genji anyone use the 260 c field?
09:30 chris nope
09:30 thd chris: do you have current contact information for Roger Buck?
09:29 chris hiya gmcharlt
09:29 kf gmcharlt: good morning :)
09:28 thd good morning gmcharlt
09:26 gmcharlt good morning
09:26 chris yep
09:21 hdl_laptop chris still there ?
09:12 Genji don't know anything?
09:03 Genji the voodoo of koha.
09:02 Genji record.abs and ccl.properties are zebra config files.
09:02 Genji its yaz-client and zebra search that doesn't work..
09:01 thd Genji: Have you found that 260 $c is not set properly in the record editor when creating a new record?
09:01 kf Genji: which version of Koha du you use?
09:01 * kf shivers thinking about creepy crawly creatures...
09:00 Genji i don't have a working record.abs / ccl.properties 260$c set. 260$c is supposed to be publishers date
08:59 kf Genji: I think its works in our installation, just tried publisher location stuttgart in opac advanced search (hfjs.bsz-bw.de)
08:59 thd kf: s/locusts/many creepy crawly creatures invading my abode/
08:58 kf thd: locusts?
08:58 thd Genji: did you notice a 260 $c bug?
08:57 * thd has been busy fighting locusts
08:56 thd no problem kf
08:56 Genji kf: you using 260$c?
08:55 kf thd: just want to say - im still working on the German MARC21 framework, but still not finished :( I hope I can do the import tests today.
08:44 thd KUDOS opted for a Google groups mailing list aaarggg :{
08:43 chris vicki sent an email to the list about it last month
08:42 chris i think kudos might be planning a US conference earlier in the year
08:42 chris yep that was the plan, give people enough time to save
08:42 thd A year from now should be fine
08:42 chris nope
08:42 thd I had thought the planning was for a couple of months from now
08:40 kf chris++
08:37 chris but im sure i can rustle that up
08:37 chris and the venue and stuff definitely costs, so i will be seeking sponsorship
08:37 Genji So the only cost i worry about is food, lodging, and transport... and internet.
08:37 chris but we need to know numbers etc
08:36 chris nope
08:36 Genji That will cost....?
08:36 chris but there will be registration
08:36 Genji !!! Wow! Im so there.
08:36 chris nothing
08:34 Genji How much it going to cost to attend?
08:34 chris gotta give people lots of time to save money
08:34 Genji Hmm.. means I can get a $1 naked bus.
08:34 chris yep
08:34 Genji almost a whole year away.
08:33 chris we are working on a conference website, and will do a big email about it when that's done
08:33 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2010wellington
08:32 kf http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2010
08:32 chris wellington
08:31 Genji sweet. where?
08:31 kf Genji: next kohacon (october 2010) will be in nz
08:30 Genji there ever a nz kohacon?
08:30 kf Im seriously thinking about it... but will be expensive :(
08:28 chris sounds the best way :)
08:25 kf just dont know how to deliver it to you ... except going to kohacon
08:25 Genji git doesn't have 260$c defined.
08:25 chris ?
08:25 Genji Anyone familar with the voodoo?
08:24 chris did you get the one from git
08:24 Genji Still havent got a working pubdate marc21 definition.
08:23 kf in my drawer, we did photos for our christmas card yesterday :)
08:22 chris got some chocolate? :)
08:22 chris hiya kf
08:22 kf hi chris :)
08:22 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0�C (9:00 AM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
08:22 chris a lot easier than it was
08:22 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:22 kf good morning #koha
08:21 chris well with the work biblibre have done with ils-di its pretty easy
08:20 magnusenger keep up the good work! ;-)
08:18 chris so im bringing it up to date
08:17 chris yeah i stopped working on it for a while
08:17 nicomo IM your opac is cool
08:17 chris http://blogs.liblime.com/developers/2007/06/22/instant-message-your-ils/
08:17 nicomo i didn't know you'd done that
08:16 nicomo eh that's nice
08:15 magnusenger not the login bit, but searching
08:15 chris i did a post about it when i was at liblime, lemme find it (i wrote it just before i started there)
08:15 magnusenger i've been thinking about something like that for Google Wave...
08:15 magnusenger nice!
08:15 chris yep, and you can login and check what books you have out
08:14 magnusenger chris: to do searches?
08:14 chris yep, i wrote it a while ago, lets you IM your catalogue essentially
08:13 Genji koha IM bot?
08:13 magnusenger chris & Genji: if i'm not completely mistaken "sami" is actually 3 or 4 different languages - or dialects or something
08:13 nicomo cool
08:12 chris ive been rewriting my koha IM bot to use the ils-di work you guys did
08:12 chris nicomo: http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kohabot.git;a=summary
08:09 chris http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070918-languages-extinct.html
08:06 chris maori and welsh are 2 success stories, lots of indigenous communities use them as case studies
08:06 chris maori is coming back, the number of speakers is on the rise, not many indigenous languages are
08:06 chris yep, its one of the great tradgedies, the world is losing languages
08:04 Genji Sami's hanging on. Basically the same amount of speakers of maori.. fluent maori I think.
08:03 Genji just read it. Ainu's almost dead.
08:03 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people
08:02 Genji whats Sami? That as rare as Ainu?
07:59 magnusenger chris: that's great! A sami translation would have been cool!
07:55 chris so she now knows about koha too ;)
07:53 magnusenger chris: cool!
07:19 chris she is sami, over here researching how maori are holding on to their culture
07:17 chris magnusenger: i had dinner with a women from norway on friday
07:16 magnusenger and a very good evening to you too, chris!
07:15 chris evening
07:05 magnusenger ji nicomo! ;-)
07:04 * nicomo meant hi magnusenger
07:04 nicomo ji magnusenger
06:39 Ropuch Hi Amit
06:36 nicomo hi Amit
06:35 Amit heya nicomo, Ropuch
06:32 Ropuch Morning
06:19 nicomo morning koha
04:40 brendan Hi Amit
03:30 chris_n2 great... going to find sleep here in a bit so I can be up for the meeting in a few hours
03:28 Amit chris_n2:i m fine what about u?
03:27 chris_n2 howdy Amit
03:27 Amit hi brendan, chris, chris_n2
01:41 Genji at the time of koha 3.0r1.... what version was YAZ?
01:12 chris no problem
01:07 Godzilla8NJ fair enough. ok thank you again.
01:07 chris but they are asleep at the moment
01:07 chris your best bet is one of the french guys
01:06 chris so i dont know
01:06 chris sorry no, no one really uses/develops for nozebra anymore
01:05 Godzilla8NJ )
01:05 Godzilla8NJ chris, ty ty ty...that seems to have solved at least that issue. one last thing: my import was the entire catalog of gutenberg titles, so my test search is 'twain' knowing that should pull up a ton of hits. but i only have 3. any idea why? (fyi, the index ended with this if it is a clue: 3333 Inserting records... 20224 biblios done
01:05 chris it is in git Genji
01:01 Nate goodnight #koha!
01:00 Genji can someone who has zebra based koha. please send me their marc21 zebra definition file?
01:00 Godzilla8NJ zooming through records now
00:59 chris then try running rebuild_nozebra.pl again
00:58 chris (for them both)
00:58 Godzilla8NJ ok
00:58 chris export PERL5LIB=whatever
00:58 chris you have to type at the commandline
00:57 Godzilla8NJ i see them both, not sure what i need to do with the paths tho
00:56 chris Genji: zebra is voodoo, i have no idea how it works most of the time
00:56 chris that sets up your environment variables
00:56 chris and the same for KOHA_CONF
00:56 chris and you want to export PERL5LIB=whatever/it/says
00:56 chris and the one for KOHA_CONF as well
00:55 chris look for the the line that says SetEnv PERL5LIB
00:55 chris in that case look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha
00:55 chris ok the tarball
00:54 chris so from the tarball, or from git?
00:54 Godzilla8NJ http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=koha_3_install_guide_ubuntu_hardy
00:53 chris and did you choose standard or dev install?
00:53 chris how did you install koha?
00:53 Godzilla8NJ don't even know what that is
00:53 chris if so
00:53 chris do you know where you C4 dir is
00:52 Godzilla8NJ script throws back Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC
00:50 Godzilla8NJ will do it now, brb
00:50 chris and rebuild them
00:50 chris that should zero out your indexes
00:50 Godzilla8NJ i did not
00:50 chris i would run misc/migration_tools/rebuild_nozebra.pl
00:49 chris you did run rebuild_nozebra.pl?
00:48 Godzilla8NJ ok thx
00:48 chris let me go read the code Godzilla8NJ and ill get back to you
00:47 Genji chris: melm 260$c pubdate:y,pubdate:s,pubdate:n,pubdate:w,copydate,copydate:s .... this line correct? or is there a reason in this line, that my searching for a range or > <es fails?
00:47 chris in that case no idea
00:47 chris ahh
00:47 Genji wb chris
00:47 Godzilla8NJ Nope. I have NoZebra
00:47 chris (you should have run it after your import)
00:47 chris have you run rebuild_zebra before?
00:47 chris it really should have a nicer error message but the cause is you have things in the zebra index, that arent in the mysql db
00:46 Godzilla8NJ Thx chris, can you be more detailed though in cmd? Neophyte here.
00:46 chris hence when it tries to get it from the database and use it, it throws that error
00:46 chris whats happening is the search is returning results which dont exist
00:46 chris with the -r switch
00:46 chris you need to completely rebuild your index
00:44 Godzilla8NJ Pls help. As MLS project built Koha atop Ubuntu Server. Imported 30k Proj Gutenberg titles using bulkimport script. Now getting the following error when doing keyword search: Can't call method "as_usmarc" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 2133.
00:40 Genji anyone know zebra marc definition stuff?
00:35 Ian FYI - (datelastborrowed <'2007-12-02' OR datelastborrowed is NULL) -----thanks MJ
00:27 brendan heh - yeah I'm wondering if I will really make it
00:15 chris_n2 I think you'll really need coffee for the meeting brendan ;-)
00:13 brendan heya chris_n2
00:12 chris_n2 wb brendan