Time Nick Message 00:12 chris_n2 wb brendan 00:13 brendan heya chris_n2 00:15 chris_n2 I think you'll really need coffee for the meeting brendan ;-) 00:27 brendan heh - yeah I'm wondering if I will really make it 00:35 Ian FYI - (datelastborrowed <'2007-12-02' OR datelastborrowed is NULL) -----thanks MJ 00:40 Genji anyone know zebra marc definition stuff? 00:44 Godzilla8NJ Pls help. As MLS project built Koha atop Ubuntu Server. Imported 30k Proj Gutenberg titles using bulkimport script. Now getting the following error when doing keyword search: Can't call method "as_usmarc" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 2133. 00:46 chris you need to completely rebuild your index 00:46 chris with the -r switch 00:46 chris whats happening is the search is returning results which dont exist 00:46 chris hence when it tries to get it from the database and use it, it throws that error 00:46 Godzilla8NJ Thx chris, can you be more detailed though in cmd? Neophyte here. 00:47 chris it really should have a nicer error message but the cause is you have things in the zebra index, that arent in the mysql db 00:47 chris have you run rebuild_zebra before? 00:47 chris (you should have run it after your import) 00:47 Godzilla8NJ Nope. I have NoZebra 00:47 Genji wb chris 00:47 chris ahh 00:47 chris in that case no idea 00:47 Genji chris: melm 260$c pubdate:y,pubdate:s,pubdate:n,pubdate:w,copydate,copydate:s .... this line correct? or is there a reason in this line, that my searching for a range or > <es fails? 00:48 chris let me go read the code Godzilla8NJ and ill get back to you 00:48 Godzilla8NJ ok thx 00:49 chris you did run rebuild_nozebra.pl? 00:50 chris i would run misc/migration_tools/rebuild_nozebra.pl 00:50 Godzilla8NJ i did not 00:50 chris that should zero out your indexes 00:50 chris and rebuild them 00:50 Godzilla8NJ will do it now, brb 00:52 Godzilla8NJ script throws back Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC 00:53 chris do you know where you C4 dir is 00:53 chris if so 00:53 Godzilla8NJ don't even know what that is 00:53 chris how did you install koha? 00:53 chris and did you choose standard or dev install? 00:54 Godzilla8NJ http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=koha_3_install_guide_ubuntu_hardy 00:54 chris so from the tarball, or from git? 00:55 chris ok the tarball 00:55 chris in that case look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha 00:55 chris look for the the line that says SetEnv PERL5LIB 00:56 chris and the one for KOHA_CONF as well 00:56 chris and you want to export PERL5LIB=whatever/it/says 00:56 chris and the same for KOHA_CONF 00:56 chris that sets up your environment variables 00:56 chris Genji: zebra is voodoo, i have no idea how it works most of the time 00:57 Godzilla8NJ i see them both, not sure what i need to do with the paths tho 00:58 chris you have to type at the commandline 00:58 chris export PERL5LIB=whatever 00:58 Godzilla8NJ ok 00:58 chris (for them both) 00:59 chris then try running rebuild_nozebra.pl again 01:00 Godzilla8NJ zooming through records now 01:00 Genji can someone who has zebra based koha. please send me their marc21 zebra definition file? 01:01 Nate goodnight #koha! 01:05 chris it is in git Genji 01:05 Godzilla8NJ chris, ty ty ty...that seems to have solved at least that issue. one last thing: my import was the entire catalog of gutenberg titles, so my test search is 'twain' knowing that should pull up a ton of hits. but i only have 3. any idea why? (fyi, the index ended with this if it is a clue: 3333 Inserting records... 20224 biblios done 01:05 Godzilla8NJ ) 01:06 chris sorry no, no one really uses/develops for nozebra anymore 01:06 chris so i dont know 01:07 chris your best bet is one of the french guys 01:07 chris but they are asleep at the moment 01:07 Godzilla8NJ fair enough. ok thank you again. 01:12 chris no problem 01:41 Genji at the time of koha 3.0r1.... what version was YAZ? 03:27 Amit hi brendan, chris, chris_n2 03:27 chris_n2 howdy Amit 03:28 Amit chris_n2:i m fine what about u? 03:30 chris_n2 great... going to find sleep here in a bit so I can be up for the meeting in a few hours 04:40 brendan Hi Amit 06:19 nicomo morning koha 06:32 Ropuch Morning 06:35 Amit heya nicomo, Ropuch 06:36 nicomo hi Amit 06:39 Ropuch Hi Amit 07:04 nicomo ji magnusenger 07:04 * nicomo meant hi magnusenger 07:05 magnusenger ji nicomo! ;-) 07:15 chris evening 07:16 magnusenger and a very good evening to you too, chris! 07:17 chris magnusenger: i had dinner with a women from norway on friday 07:19 chris she is sami, over here researching how maori are holding on to their culture 07:53 magnusenger chris: cool! 07:55 chris so she now knows about koha too ;) 07:59 magnusenger chris: that's great! A sami translation would have been cool! 08:02 Genji whats Sami? That as rare as Ainu? 08:03 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people 08:03 Genji just read it. Ainu's almost dead. 08:04 Genji Sami's hanging on. Basically the same amount of speakers of maori.. fluent maori I think. 08:06 chris yep, its one of the great tradgedies, the world is losing languages 08:06 chris maori is coming back, the number of speakers is on the rise, not many indigenous languages are 08:06 chris maori and welsh are 2 success stories, lots of indigenous communities use them as case studies 08:09 chris http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070918-languages-extinct.html 08:12 chris nicomo: http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kohabot.git;a=summary 08:12 chris ive been rewriting my koha IM bot to use the ils-di work you guys did 08:13 nicomo cool 08:13 magnusenger chris & Genji: if i'm not completely mistaken "sami" is actually 3 or 4 different languages - or dialects or something 08:13 Genji koha IM bot? 08:14 chris yep, i wrote it a while ago, lets you IM your catalogue essentially 08:14 magnusenger chris: to do searches? 08:15 chris yep, and you can login and check what books you have out 08:15 magnusenger nice! 08:15 magnusenger i've been thinking about something like that for Google Wave... 08:15 chris i did a post about it when i was at liblime, lemme find it (i wrote it just before i started there) 08:15 magnusenger not the login bit, but searching 08:16 nicomo eh that's nice 08:17 nicomo i didn't know you'd done that 08:17 chris http://blogs.liblime.com/developers/2007/06/22/instant-message-your-ils/ 08:17 nicomo IM your opac is cool 08:17 chris yeah i stopped working on it for a while 08:18 chris so im bringing it up to date 08:20 magnusenger keep up the good work! ;-) 08:21 chris well with the work biblibre have done with ils-di its pretty easy 08:22 kf good morning #koha 08:22 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:22 chris a lot easier than it was 08:22 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0�C (9:00 AM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 08:22 kf hi chris :) 08:22 chris hiya kf 08:22 chris got some chocolate? :) 08:23 kf in my drawer, we did photos for our christmas card yesterday :) 08:24 Genji Still havent got a working pubdate marc21 definition. 08:24 chris did you get the one from git 08:25 Genji Anyone familar with the voodoo? 08:25 chris ? 08:25 Genji git doesn't have 260$c defined. 08:25 kf just dont know how to deliver it to you ... except going to kohacon 08:28 chris sounds the best way :) 08:30 kf Im seriously thinking about it... but will be expensive :( 08:30 Genji there ever a nz kohacon? 08:31 kf Genji: next kohacon (october 2010) will be in nz 08:31 Genji sweet. where? 08:32 chris wellington 08:32 kf http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2010 08:33 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2010wellington 08:33 chris we are working on a conference website, and will do a big email about it when that's done 08:34 Genji almost a whole year away. 08:34 chris yep 08:34 Genji Hmm.. means I can get a $1 naked bus. 08:34 chris gotta give people lots of time to save money 08:34 Genji How much it going to cost to attend? 08:36 chris nothing 08:36 Genji !!! Wow! Im so there. 08:36 chris but there will be registration 08:36 Genji That will cost....? 08:36 chris nope 08:37 chris but we need to know numbers etc 08:37 Genji So the only cost i worry about is food, lodging, and transport... and internet. 08:37 chris and the venue and stuff definitely costs, so i will be seeking sponsorship 08:37 chris but im sure i can rustle that up 08:40 kf chris++ 08:42 thd I had thought the planning was for a couple of months from now 08:42 chris nope 08:42 thd A year from now should be fine 08:42 chris yep that was the plan, give people enough time to save 08:42 chris i think kudos might be planning a US conference earlier in the year 08:43 chris vicki sent an email to the list about it last month 08:44 thd KUDOS opted for a Google groups mailing list aaarggg :{ 08:55 kf thd: just want to say - im still working on the German MARC21 framework, but still not finished :( I hope I can do the import tests today. 08:56 Genji kf: you using 260$c? 08:56 thd no problem kf 08:57 * thd has been busy fighting locusts 08:58 thd Genji: did you notice a 260 $c bug? 08:58 kf thd: locusts? 08:59 thd kf: s/locusts/many creepy crawly creatures invading my abode/ 08:59 kf Genji: I think its works in our installation, just tried publisher location stuttgart in opac advanced search (hfjs.bsz-bw.de) 09:00 Genji i don't have a working record.abs / ccl.properties 260$c set. 260$c is supposed to be publishers date 09:01 * kf shivers thinking about creepy crawly creatures... 09:01 kf Genji: which version of Koha du you use? 09:01 thd Genji: Have you found that 260 $c is not set properly in the record editor when creating a new record? 09:02 Genji its yaz-client and zebra search that doesn't work.. 09:02 Genji record.abs and ccl.properties are zebra config files. 09:03 Genji the voodoo of koha. 09:12 Genji don't know anything? 09:21 hdl_laptop chris still there ? 09:26 chris yep 09:26 gmcharlt good morning 09:28 thd good morning gmcharlt 09:29 kf gmcharlt: good morning :) 09:29 chris hiya gmcharlt 09:30 thd chris: do you have current contact information for Roger Buck? 09:30 chris nope 09:30 Genji anyone use the 260 c field? 09:31 Amit heya galen 09:32 thd Genji: everyone using MARC 21 should be using 260 $c. 09:32 Genji 260 c is the publishing date field... 09:33 Genji on the devel install im working on, tis mapped to @attr 31. 09:34 thd Genji: 260 $c is a minimal level requirement and might contain publication date and or copyright date. 09:36 thd Genji: You cannot rely upon it having a four digit year date as it often has other forms sometimes with both copyright and publication date in the same subfield. 09:37 Genji I need to be able to use st-numeric and st-numeric,ge and st-numeric,le .... throughout the db, 260 $c is only four digits. 09:38 hdl_laptop hi all 09:38 chris hi hdl_laptop 09:39 thd Genji: if all your records have only four digits in 260 $c, then consider yourself blessed. 09:40 Genji so, whats a record.abs definition that will allow me to use st-numeric sucessfully? 09:40 Genji got pubdate,pubdate:s,copydate,copydate:s currently 09:45 thd Genji: I have not mastered the machinations of Zebra yet. I have managed all of Z39.50 for which Zebra does not quite have complete support. 09:54 tajoli time 09:54 Genji time? 09:55 tajoli sorry, I don't know IRC commands and I use ChatZilla ( in fact a command-line IRC) 09:55 Genji @time 09:55 munin Genji: Error: "time" is not a valid command. 09:58 chris_n2 g'morning 09:58 Genji when's this devel meeting? 09:58 gmcharlt in four minutes 09:59 kf Guten Morgen jwagner :) 09:59 Amit hi kf 10:00 kf hi Amit 10:00 paul_p us very early those days... 10:00 paul_p s/those days/today/ 10:00 Genji find @attr 1=31 "1983" = Unsupported Use attribute 10:00 paul_p g'morning chris_n2, gmcharlt, jwagner & all 10:00 jwagner guten morgen kf 10:00 jwagner and everyone 10:00 chris_n2 hi paul_p 10:00 jwagner But do you European types really get up this early every morning? 10:00 * jwagner props open a bleary eye 10:01 paul_p what time is it for you jwagner ? 10:01 kf jwagner: its not that early here 11 10:01 gmcharlt jwagner: every single day, it seems :) 10:01 paul_p 4AM ? 10:01 gmcharlt paul_p: 05:00 for me 10:01 Amit hi paul_p, galen 10:01 jransom 11pm here in NZ 10:01 paul_p the answer is no : usually, I wake up at 6 10:01 * chris_n2 passes around virtual donuts 10:01 gmcharlt anyway, let's get this show on the road 10:02 gmcharlt first, a round of intros 10:02 jwagner paul_p, it's 5 AM here. 10:02 * gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.2RM 10:02 jwagner Jane Wagner, PTFS 10:02 * chris_n2 Chris Nighswonger, FBC 10:02 * paul_p = paul poulain, BibLibre 10:03 chris Chris Cormack, Catalyst, Translation Manager 10:03 Colin Colin Campbell PTFS Europe 10:03 * kf = Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 10:03 tajoli Zeno Tajoli, Cilea (Italy) 10:03 jransom Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ 10:03 Amit Amit Gupta= Nucsoft Osslabs, Bangalore, India 10:03 thd Thomas Dukleth, Agogme New York City 10:03 BobB Bob Birchall, Calyx in Sydney 10:03 * Ropuch Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE, Poland 10:04 nahuel hi 10:04 paul_p hdl_laptop will be a little bit late, but he will arrive asap 10:04 Genji Waylon robertson, Palmerston North, New Zealand, currently working on koha for a Saudi Arabia private library/journal collection 10:04 davi Davi Diaz (worker for software.coop) 10:04 nahuel Nahuel Angelinetti, BibLibre, France (like paul and hdl) 10:05 gmcharlt thanks 10:05 gmcharlt page for this meeting is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes09dec02 10:05 gmcharlt chris_n2: may I ask to you to take notes? 10:05 chris_n2 right 10:06 gmcharlt thanks 10:06 gmcharlt first agenda item - 3.2 10:06 gmcharlt I've at long last merged in B-L's acq branch 10:06 gmcharlt it's a lot of stuff, so please test thoroughly 10:06 paul_p acq & many other patches (almost 500) 10:07 gmcharlt after picking through the patch queue for remaining bugfixes 10:07 gmcharlt and doing final merges of pianohacker's syspref stuff and chris_n2's labels work 10:07 paul_p hdl_laptop: (told us a few minuts ago that you're just 2 patches ahead from our git) 10:07 gmcharlt it will (again, at long last) be alpha 10:07 chris gmcharlt++ 10:08 Genji gmcharlt++ 10:08 kf gmcharlt++ 10:08 gmcharlt gmcharlt-- # sorry for being so slow 10:08 munin gmcharlt: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 10:08 chris_n2 gmcharlt++ 10:08 jwagner gmcharlt, you're quicker than just about any of US would be! 10:08 kmkale hi al 10:09 gmcharlt anyway, that's essentially it for me - bugfixes will be going in to 3.2, but I also intend to create a 3.2 branch soon so that HEAD can start accepting patches for 3.4 10:09 thd its not the speed but the quality which counts 10:09 chris cool 10:09 gmcharlt moving on, I'll pass over 3.0 until hdl_laptop comes back 10:09 paul_p gmcharlt: and you're quicker than some other companies that can't find time to open their git repo ;-) 10:09 jransom This is great gmcharlt - well done 10:10 * gmcharlt stiffles a snarky response to paul_p's last comment 10:10 Genji paul_p++ 10:10 Genji liblime-- 10:10 paul_p note that our biblibre branch ((so almost 3.2) is being tested by Aix-Marseille universities, that reports some problems, but overall, it works pretty well 10:11 paul_p (they are not in production though...) 10:11 gmcharlt anyway, the next agenda item is follow-up from the previous meeting, but that is basically identical to the other agenda item, the wiki relicensing 10:12 chris for 3.4 we need to have elections for the positions for that .. we might need to schedule that sometime soon 10:12 gmcharlt thd just told me that we have we have a majority discounting all LibLime employee votes 10:12 thd Yes 10:12 gmcharlt i.e., majority approving relicensing the wiki content to the GPL 10:12 chris *nod* 10:12 chris there were 3 more yesses this week 10:13 gmcharlt and as there hasn't been any dissenting votes 10:13 gmcharlt I make a motion that we go ahead and consider the relicensing approved 10:13 thd checking the latest count we have 47 in favour from which 4 LibLime votes might be subtracted 10:13 Genji "majority discounting" meaning liblime are hostile voters? 10:13 chris_n2 gmcharlt: +1 10:14 GeorgeSue Greetings everyone, sorry I am late 10:14 magnusenger Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (sorry, was away for a few minutes) 10:14 gmcharlt Genji: no, that any edits made by a LL employee are copyright the company 10:14 Genji Ah. 10:14 gmcharlt not necesary that LL is opposed to relicesning 10:14 thd we have 33 in other categories excluding spammers 10:14 gmcharlt but, well, who knows? kados has not weighed in 10:14 chris +1 10:14 gmcharlt but frankly, he's had plenty of opportunity 10:14 Genji @seen kados 10:14 munin Genji: I have not seen kados. 10:15 Genji !!! 10:15 gmcharlt and if he wants to make an issue of it later, well, that's his prerogative, but that shouldn't hold up the vote 10:15 thd We might add the 4 or so LibLime employee votes to the other categories 10:15 paul_p Genji: munin is a new bot, here only for 6 months. 10:15 Genji Ah. 10:15 paul_p just means kados didn't come on this channel since the birth of munin 10:15 gmcharlt certainly any wiki edits they made after leaving LL are copyright themselves or their current employer 10:15 thd I have worked very hard identifying and communicating with several of the yet to vote to come to the current totals 10:16 paul_p Genji: before, we had logbot, but it disappeared (was LL supported) 10:16 gmcharlt so, in terms of implementing the decision 10:16 gmcharlt there are at least two parts 10:16 paul_p thd++ for this job 10:16 Genji Ahh. 10:16 thd I have yet to telephone India and Pakistan for extra encouragement about voting 10:16 gmcharlt one being updating the footer to point to the GPL instead of CC-BY-NC-SA 10:17 thd Some people have moved, changed addresses, etc. and are now lost without the expense of public records search. 10:17 chris we have logbot_backup now tho, which is stll logging the channel 10:17 gmcharlt the other being updating the signup page for new accounts to mention the new licensing 10:18 chris sounds right 10:18 jransom May I introduce George Sue please folks, from HLT. Trustee appointed to work with Koha. Be gentle with him - hes new to irc :) 10:18 Genji We control the wiki? 10:18 chris Hi George :) 10:18 tajoli no 10:18 Genji Wow! hiya GeorgeSue! 10:18 chris_n2 hi George 10:18 Amit hi George 10:18 thd I had sadly delayed contacting the SFLC with other things which I was doing so I am expecting to enter the Koha project in the intake process any day now. 10:18 paul_p GeorgeSue: hello from France. good luck with reading IRC, it's quite hard when you begin... 10:19 gmcharlt since, annoyingly, the GPL is not listed as an option in our dokuwiki's installation, I'll poke around and see what I can do to change it 10:19 gmcharlt I may have to bring in cfouts 10:19 GeorgeSue Hi everyone, Keep up the good work 10:19 thd Koha is currently in a management queue at SFLC. 10:19 chris thd: for? 10:19 gmcharlt any other notes on the wiki relicensing? 10:19 gmcharlt hi GeorgeSue, and welcome 10:20 tajoli For me, no 10:20 thd chris: The question of the formal issues about legal questions of relicensing. 10:20 chris ahh righto 10:21 thd Yes 10:21 gmcharlt next item on agenda 10:21 gmcharlt # 10:21 gmcharlt Decision about documentation of DB level (Zeno Tajoli) 10:21 thd There is a technical issue that changing the footer will require changing the code. 10:21 tajoli yes, I insert this topic 10:22 thd The DokuWiki options have no option for GPL. 10:22 tajoli And we can change the code ? 10:22 tajoli I think no, without LL 10:23 thd Yes, I will locate the file an we can consider an appropriate patch. 10:23 gmcharlt tajoli: yep, as I said, I'll likely have to poke cfouts 10:23 thd I think we should wait a few days to see if SFLC raises any issues. 10:23 Genji man, LL have really made it difficult for us. 10:24 gmcharlt thd: with respect, why delay again? 10:24 thd We could discuss them on the mailing lis if there is somethin g more to be done 10:24 thd I am not for a delay personally but I know others have expressed concern. 10:25 thd chrisL do you want to reveal any concern which you had thought? 10:25 gmcharlt at the very lieast, there is no possible bar to (a) changing the license for new content and (b) relicesning content by the other copyright holders 10:25 thd gmcharlt : I really thin that it is just an issue of formal proceedure 10:25 chris i agree, the concern i had was relicensing content for those who had not consented 10:25 thd gmcharlt: getting this wrong could expose us to statutory damages 10:26 chris but for all new content, and all content that has been consented to, there is no issue with that 10:26 thd We should at least see what the lawyers have to say about any formal expression of the relicensing. 10:26 thd I would really like to have this retroactive. 10:27 thd New content is obviously no problem except as a derived work. 10:27 gmcharlt thd: strictly speaking, retroactivity is almost certainly impossible w/o the explicit consent of LL 10:28 gmcharlt but we can at least guarantee that new content is licensed under the GPL *now* 10:28 chris *nod* 10:28 thd gmcharlt: There is the joint work theory of authorship which should allow it. 10:28 Genji what about old content? can we clean room re-engineer it? 10:29 chris there is no need 10:29 gmcharlt Genji: if need be, of course, although I'm hoping we can avoid that 10:29 thd joint work could be relicensed without re-engineering anything. 10:30 chris and even if it cant, it only needs to be re-engineered fi you need it for something the current license prevents 10:30 gmcharlt anyway, we're off agenda - since the technical issue of changing the license footer will require time anyway, we'll what to see what the SFLC says 10:30 thd So I suggest that we go forward with new content as GPL 2 or later and old content is in limbo. 10:30 * Genji nods. 10:30 gmcharlt tajoli: what did you want to say re DB doc 10:30 Genji tajoli: what do you mean by an DB doc? 10:31 tajoli this page http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:dbschema 10:31 paul_p about wiki relicensing: can we know what has been written by who ? 10:31 tajoli is the documentation about MySQL tables, indexes, relations 10:32 thd paul_p it is all logged but retroactive would be simplest 10:32 tajoli As CILEA we think to be able to mantain it in 3.2 and 3.4 10:32 paul_p cilea++ 10:32 chris 3.4 is not going to be mysql only 10:33 tajoli and this the problem 10:33 chris the schema will be the same of course 10:33 tajoli The 3.4 will be Mysql + PostgresSQL with two xx.sql files ? 10:33 chris no 10:34 tajoli or we use DBIx::Class ? 10:34 chris most likely 10:34 tajoli or only one xxx.sql file ? 10:34 chris probably DBIx::Class and one sql file 10:35 chris_n2 tajoli: DBIx::Class has some documentation generation features iirc 10:36 tajoli Butdoes the sql file need to be usable with MySQL and PostegreSQL at the same time ? 10:36 chris_n2 ie DBIx::Class::AutoDoc 10:37 chris havent finalised that yet 10:37 chris the goal is no more mysql only dependency 10:38 chris we may end up with no .sql file at all and only DBIx::Class schema files 10:39 tajoli well DBIx::Class doesn't support comment inside SQL definition (the comment instruction) 10:39 tajoli So the SQL documentation needs to be written outside 10:40 tajoli In a n extra file 10:40 tajoli Probably to: 10:40 tajoli -- Create documentation with SchemmaSpy starting from xml file 10:40 chris its not decided yet, so i wouldnt decide how you plan to use it yet either 10:41 tajoli (a new feature of SchemaSpay that we sponsor) 10:41 hdl_laptop tajoli: in order to be translatable, anyway, documentation would have rather be outside. 10:41 Colin Hopefully the schema will be better defined so we can extract from it 10:41 chris http://search.cpan.org/~jasonk/DBICx-AutoDoc-0.04/lib/DBICx/AutoDoc.pm 10:42 chris plus http://search.cpan.org/~frew/DBIx-Class-0.08114/lib/DBIx/Class/Schema.pm 10:42 tajoli But we can't have explicit all relations without a big rewrite 10:42 chris is one way 10:42 tajoli So we need to document relations in extra doc files (like schemaspy webpages) 10:43 chris ? 10:43 * gmcharlt mosies back in - I think we have identified the issues, but it looks like this is a matter for the mailing lists 10:43 tajoli And I think we will never transalte Mysql level docs 10:43 gmcharlt but +1 to both DBIC and ensuring that we can maintain DB schema docs in the long run 10:43 ricardo gmcharlt: "mosies"? 10:44 gmcharlt ricardo: "wanders back in" 10:44 ricardo gmcharlt: OK :) 10:45 tajoli The problem is that data inside tables have relations, without the sql instruction 'constraint' 10:45 tajoli There are 'implict relations' 10:46 Colin I would hope that with DBIx::Class the implicit becomes explicit 10:46 chris thats the plan 10:46 paul_p tajoli: can you give an example ? 10:46 tajoli SchemaSpy use the 'comment' instruction on Mysql (and the equivalent on PostgreSQL) to insert informatin in the web pages 10:47 paul_p implicit constraints are a mistake/bug 10:47 chris but i think galen is right, this is a discussion better had on the mailing list 10:48 gmcharlt hdl_laptop is back, so let's move on to the 3.0 update 10:48 hdl_laptop 3.0.5 is about to be released. 10:48 chris the more i read about AutoDoc tho, the more i think that DBIx::Class plus Autodoc is going to be the win for documentation, we may not even need schemaspy 10:48 chris hdl_laptop++ 10:48 hdl_laptop I announced that at the beginning of the week. 10:48 Genji-wireless hdl_laptop++ 10:48 hdl_laptop chris some strings are still missing. 10:49 hdl_laptop translations will have to be updated. 10:49 chris people have had lots of time to do it 10:49 chris im not sure we need to give them moer 10:49 hdl_laptop it is kind of 10 strings more. 10:49 chris ah ok 10:49 hdl_laptop But anyhow packing that at the end of the week. 10:50 tajoli aqbookfund.branchcode is connect with branches.branchcode but it is a implicit link 10:50 chris we really need to separate the translation packs from the release 10:50 hdl_laptop (it concerns help file mainly) 10:50 hdl_laptop I think so. 10:50 chris maybe ill put that on 3.4 list too 10:50 hdl_laptop so should also the etc directory 10:50 tajoli The problem of mailing list is that the topic always go down 10:50 hdl_laptop and SIP. 10:50 hdl_laptop they should be git submodules imho 10:51 chris i have to do a release for work tomorrow 10:51 thd tajoli: go down? 10:51 chris so wont be able to regen the .po files 10:51 chris until friday nz time 10:51 hdl_laptop I could do. 10:51 tajoli stop, don't go to a conclusion 10:51 hdl_laptop But you would have to tell me. 10:51 chris basically you have to get all the .po files 10:52 chris (so in git) 10:52 chris run update.pl 10:52 thd tajoli: that happens on IRC also. 10:52 chris then upload them all into pootle 10:52 tajoli sorry, the discusion it stops 10:52 chris it just takes time (isnt hard) 10:53 paul_p chris: findin time isn't hard ? lucky you :-) 10:53 hdl_laptop I think that I will maintain 3.0.x branch for some time. 10:53 chris it will be faster for me tho, since translate.koha.org is about 3 mitres away from me 10:53 thd tajoli: you can always try to provoke extending the discussion or provoke a concluding discussion 10:53 chris metres 10:53 chris_n2 paul_p: finding != taking ;-) 10:53 ricardo hdl_laptop: Hi. Is this the time where I should lobby to commit my patches for 3.0.5? :) 10:53 ricardo Bug 3730 10:53 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3730 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ricmarques@spamcop.net, NEW, Wrong ISO 639-2 Language Code for Portuguese in database 10:53 paul_p tajoli: aqbookfund table diseappear in 3.2 ;-) (replaced by aqbudgets, that has FK) 10:53 hdl_laptop at least until 3.2 is released. 10:54 tajoli But it only an example. 10:54 chris sounds good hdl_laptop 10:54 tajoli As I see the idea is to use DBIx::Class on 3.4 10:54 tajoli If it is sure, no problem 10:55 chris the only thing that is sure is no more mysql only 10:55 tajoli SQL docs must to be outside 10:55 Colin We need to flesh out the path 10:55 thd tajoli: I think that chris and experiments at LibLime are quite confident 10:55 chris liblime? 10:56 thd chris: atz had tested I think. 10:56 chris its premature to decide yet 10:56 chris lets get 3.2 out 10:56 chris then we can hash out 3.4 10:56 chris but DBIx::Class is certainly a front runner 10:56 thd :} 10:57 tajoli OK, so we return on it later 10:57 chris i created a schema from it and the msyql db 10:57 hdl_laptop ok. I have finished with 3.0.x 10:57 hdl_laptop any questions ? 10:57 chris and then created a postgres db from that schema, worked really well 10:57 gmcharlt hdl_laptop++ # thanks 10:57 ricardo hdl_laptop: There are also a few minor dependencies that should be added to Makefile.PL (Locale::PO and YAML). I created a patch for Locale::PO but not for YAML yet 10:57 thd hdl_laptop: do I understand that you have added columns to 3.0.x? 10:58 gmcharlt moving on, I think we have two scheduling decisions 10:58 hdl_laptop thd: yes. 10:58 ricardo [Koha-patches] [PATCH] Added Locale::PO dependency in Makefile.PL 10:58 ricardo http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-October/004749.html 10:58 gmcharlt 1 - when to hold the next general devel meeting - if we follow the usual pattern, it woudl be 6 January 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 10:58 hdl_laptop Because cherry-picking made some calls to those tables. 10:58 hdl_laptop But they were missing. 10:58 gmcharlt 2 - when to hold elections for 3.4 10:59 hdl_laptop So now, to fix that, we have to take them in. 10:59 gmcharlt which we can either make the main topic of the 6 January meeting 10:59 gmcharlt or call a special meeting for 10:59 gmcharlt thoughts? 10:59 tajoli 6 Jan is a very bad date for italy 10:59 thd We should at least have special signification 11:00 ricardo thd: "signification"? 11:00 gmcharlt tajoli: is 7 Jan better? 11:00 davi 6 Jan is a very bad date for Spain too 11:00 tajoli yes, much better (we retrun to work) !! 11:00 ricardo davi: Ah yes, "Kings Day". True 11:00 hdl_laptop oh epiphany ? 11:00 thd ricardo: attach special importance even if it is a general meeting 11:00 chris_n2 6th is bad for me too 11:00 BobB Most of Australia is on holiday until mid-January, probably NZ too 11:01 tajoli Standard holyday 1-6 Jan (only 3 work day) 11:01 hdl_laptop thd: i will make a not in release notes. 11:01 davi gmcharlt, I would set it at 8 11:01 gmcharlt 8 January would be Saturday for NZers/Aussies 11:01 ricardo thd: OK 11:01 chris_n2 8th +1 11:01 hdl_laptop thd is that ok for you ? 11:01 chris shall we schedule roles for 3.4 as a topic for that next meeting? 11:02 thd hdl_laptop: that will be very helpful especially if it is explicit about identifying what is new 11:02 gmcharlt +1 11:02 chris_n2 +1 11:02 indradg +1 11:02 hdl_laptop +1 11:02 jwagner What about pushing back a week to January 13? 11:02 kf +1 11:02 ricardo 8th = +1 11:02 tajoli +1 11:02 tajoli 13th = +1 11:03 ricardo OK. So we have dates for the 2 meetings right? (8th and 13th) ;-) 11:03 davi 13th = +1 11:03 thd Are all the +1s for Saturday in Oceania? 11:03 paul_p why not 9th ? (my birthday :D ) 11:03 * paul_p kidding, 8th is OK 11:03 jwagner Actually I meant the 13th instead of the 6th or 8th. 11:03 gmcharlt 13th +1 11:03 paul_p (and probably, 9th with be with my family, not on a chat...) 11:04 chris 13th+1 11:04 BobB 13th +1 11:04 chris_n2 13th+1 11:04 davi 13th, at what hour? 11:04 indradg 13th +1 11:04 thd 13th )=+1 11:05 gmcharlt ok, I think we have a preponderance for the 13th 11:05 gmcharlt 19:00 UTC? 11:05 chris_n2 +1 11:05 gmcharlt and agenda to include elections for 3.4 11:05 thd +1 11:05 ricardo OK. 13th is fine by me 11:05 tajoli OK at every hour 11:05 davi +1 11:05 hdl_laptop ok 11:05 gmcharlt tajoli: every hour? just for you, let's do it at 01:00 UTC ;) 11:06 hdl_laptop 13th+1 19h+1 11:06 tajoli in fact 01 UTC is too late, but 19.00 UTC is oK 11:06 chris_n2 please take time to read over http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:roles3.4 before the next meeting and add names to the hat accordingly 11:06 thd So is 13th for general meeting with election or two separate meetings? 11:07 kf gmcharlt: does it make sense to start testing 3.2/HEAD now or better wait until there is a tag in git for an alpha release? 11:07 hdl_laptop Is there a timeline for 3.2 maybe i missed that part.... 11:07 hdl_laptop ? 11:07 gmcharlt kf: go ahead and test HEAD now - there's a lot to test 11:07 thd s/separate/separate dates/ 11:08 gmcharlt thd: I think a single meeting 11:08 thd Ok 11:08 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: working on alpha in next few days after a cherry pick from email patch queue 11:08 Colin gmcharlt:apart from general testing are there 3.2 issues that need addressing 11:08 thd ColinL yes 11:09 hdl_laptop and no other dates for RC or whatever ? 11:09 thd Colin: I have been too busy the past 3 weeks but I must update the MARC 21 frameworks 11:10 thd Colin: Germans at least will loose data now 11:10 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: very early Jan most likely for RC, depnding on how bug finding goes 11:13 * chris_n2 hears the coffee pot finish up 11:13 tajoli I think that a 'alpha' version of 3.2 is a must if we want ppl test it 11:13 gmcharlt tajoli: agreed 11:14 gmcharlt ok - we'll have a lot more discuss tomorrow at the foundation-forming meeting (19:00 UTC+0) 11:15 gmcharlt I'm going to skip the # 11:15 gmcharlt Roles on Bugzilla for 3.2.x and 3.4 ? 11:15 gmcharlt agenda item 11:15 gmcharlt as it more properly belongs in general 3.4 plannig anyway 11:15 gmcharlt and call this meeting closed 11:15 thd If I could interject, something about the wiki before we conclude 11:16 thd I am not certain how we would word a common footer with retroactivity in limbo. 11:16 paul_p gmcharlt: about 3.2 = we (BibLibre) continue working hard on our branch. will you merge, or do you need patches through bugs.koha.org & git-send-email ? 11:17 gmcharlt paul_p: I'll take merge requests 11:17 gmcharlt but only for bugfixes 11:17 paul_p gmcharlt: we are improving ergonomy of new_acq. no new features, just ergonomy & workflow improvements 11:18 gmcharlt ok 11:18 paul_p we can consider them as "bugfixes" I think (at least nicomo consider the changes as mandatory to have something useable ;-) ) 11:19 gmcharlt yep, I agree 11:20 thd gmcharlt: what about something which lives outside the code as an example script? 11:20 chris paul_p: did you see the tutorial on galens blog? there is a git request-pull command 11:20 chris very cool 11:20 gmcharlt thd: should be OK 11:20 jwagner chris or gmcharlt, URL? 11:20 paul_p chris: don't even know galen's blog url :((( 11:21 thd gmcharlt: you need to choose a place to put it. 11:21 thd gmcharlt: we have no example scripts really. 11:21 hdl_laptop man git-request-pull 11:22 gmcharlt paul_p: http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=10 11:22 gmcharlt thd: what does the script in question do? 11:22 paul_p thanks gmcharlt. Added to my akregator ;-) 11:22 chris http://galencharlton.com/blog/?p=10#comments 11:22 chris is the request-pull bit 11:23 thd gmcharlt: it repopulates Koha itemtypes based on a set of values in the script to new ones for every record in the database containing items. 11:23 tajoli OK, bye 11:24 thd gmcharlt: Call number values and previous Koha itemtypes are conditions. 11:24 gmcharlt thd: misc/migration_tools if you want to go with an existing directory 11:24 gmcharlt misc/examples otherwise 11:25 thd gmcharlt: It is for post-migration refactoring the Koha itemtypes. 11:26 gmcharlt which is arguably at least potentially related to migration 11:26 gmcharlt but I don't care either way - misc/examples is fine 11:27 paul_p gmcharlt: your last commit seems wrong : http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=0c7e7053e2ec3ca33061b997ebbbe50f5d3f5f3a 11:27 paul_p - our $VERSION = '3.01.00.130'; 11:27 thd gmcharlt: Records are already in the database but yes it is related to migration but I imagine other applications from modifying it which have nothing to do with migration 11:27 paul_p + our $VERSION = '3.01.00.000'; 11:27 paul_p 3.01.00.000 is wrong isn't it ? 11:27 hdl_laptop should be 100 11:27 gmcharlt indeed - just a sec 11:27 paul_p (or 3.02.something) 11:28 hdl_laptop or 3.02.00.000 11:28 * chris_n2 has to head off to get ready for work 11:29 thd gmcharlt: I imagine more general purpose conditional search and replacement of record values although that may be migration to some way of looking at it. 11:29 jransom night all - bed for me 11:29 chris_n2 meeting notes will be up by 0200 UTC+0 03-12-2008... earlier if I have time 11:30 hdl_laptop thanks a lot 11:30 GeorgeSue Very interesting Good night 11:30 chris good night GeorgeSue, thanks for coming 11:31 kf good night nz :) 11:32 chris night all, thanks for your time 11:33 Genji okay, anyone available for some zebra voodoo troubleshooting? 11:33 Genji chris++ # for the voodoo. 11:35 kf lunch time - bbl :) 11:35 Genji how far away, kf? 11:36 thd gmcharlt: I think that we will have to discuss footer language on the mailing list for how to have one footer to cover both old and new wiki content until SFLC gives some good advice.. 11:36 gmcharlt thd: I think the "unless otherwise stated, content is GPL" actually would cover it 11:37 gmcharlt individual can retag their content as CC-BY-NC-SA is they desire 11:37 thd gmcharlt: does that not meean that we have to go about marking all the nonvoting contributors'content?.. 11:37 thd or at least all their old content? 11:38 gmcharlt thd: it may be just the mood I'm in, but if somebody who didn't care enough to vote wants to (re)assert the old license, they can do so whenever they notice and want to do something about 11:39 thd I agree, but that makes the statement retroactive. 11:41 thd I am actually expecting SFLC to say go ahead and make it retroactive but they may not give an answer for perhaps another week. 11:42 thd chris seemed concerned in a way that I am not but I am a little reluctant to presume where others are expressing concern. 11:43 thd gmcharlt: I suspect that we would have the PHP code changed for a new footer just about the time that we have a reassuring answer from SFLC. 11:43 gmcharlt heh, no doubt 11:45 thd maybe we will have a couple more votes also 11:47 * thd had a lot of fun playing login name detective 11:59 CGI735 Can anyone help me figure out where I can specify SMTP server details for sending out overdue notices? Pulling my hair out here. 12:04 Elwell heyo - are there logs around from the meeting this AM? 12:07 jwagner Elwell, logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ -- click on Today for this morning's meeting. 12:19 kf back 12:20 CGI735 Anyone know how to remove "More Seaches" in 3.0? 12:45 CGI735 Can anyone help me with diacritics in Koha? My emai overdues are making the users name look funny as it doesn't reconise é or á etc. 12:55 kf CGI735: I noticed there is a problem with umlauts in the subject, but in the email text everything seems to work ok 13:00 CGI735 What version are you using? Are you using any mappings etc? 13:28 kf CGI735: mappings? we use 3.01.00.061 13:34 chris_n @wunder 28334 13:34 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 8.9�C (8:20 AM EST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady). 13:58 jwagner @wunder 20740 13:58 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 4.8�C (8:57 AM EST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Rising). 14:01 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:01 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.4�C (2:49 PM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). 14:13 nicomo @wunder Lyon, france 14:13 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 9.0�C (3:00 PM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 14:17 magnusenger @wunder bodo, norway 14:17 munin magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (2:50 PM CET on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 14:19 hilongo hi there 14:19 hilongo anybody home? 14:20 hilongo \me 14:20 * hilongo jumps 14:21 hilongo @seen hilongo 14:21 munin hilongo: hilongo was last seen in #koha 24 seconds ago: * hilongo jumps 14:21 hdl_laptop @wunder quebec 14:21 munin hdl_laptop: Error: No such location could be found. 14:22 hdl_laptop @wunder Montréal 14:22 munin hdl_laptop: Error: No such location could be found. 14:22 hdl_laptop @wunder Montréal, canada 14:22 chris_n wow 14:22 munin hdl_laptop: Error: No such location could be found. 14:22 jdavidb @wunder montreal 14:22 munin jdavidb: Error: No such location could be found. 14:22 * jdavidb scratches his head 14:22 chris_n upgradedatabase.pl throws tons of errors after rebase 14:22 hilongo @wunder Mendoza, Argentina 14:22 munin hilongo: The current temperature in Mendoza, Argentina is 22.0�C (10:00 AM ART on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 14:23 chris_n perhaps I should say the db throws them 14:24 pastebot "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "db update errors after morning rebase" (15 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/68 14:24 chris_n hdl_laptop: any thoughts on the above errors? 14:25 jwagner chris_n, is this from head or something else? 14:25 chris_n it is from a rebase over the current head 14:26 jwagner OK, remind me not to rebase then :-) 14:26 chris_n heh 14:26 Colin jwagner: head I've got them too, going to run some restore reruns to try & fix 14:26 chris_n I'm rebase-ing a working branch 14:26 chris_n untill this morning, it rebased smoothly 14:27 jwagner gmcharlt, you've updated head? 14:27 hdl_laptop yes. 14:27 hdl_laptop jwagner: he pushed biblibre patches 14:27 chris_n hdl_laptop: any thoughts on what might be going on? 14:27 Colin There's also a dependency missing I've posted a bug and patch 14:28 hdl_laptop chris_n many updatedatabase were done with certain assumption. 14:28 hdl_laptop could you send the whole thing to me ? 14:29 chris_n "whole thing" eq ? 14:29 hdl_laptop whole thing : all the errors sent 14:29 chris_n k 14:31 chris_n hdl_laptop: those were all of the errors 14:32 pastebot "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "db update output after morning rebase" (57 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/69 14:32 chris_n hdl_laptop: the entire output is here ^^ 14:33 chris_n the only error in the log is the complaint about the missing Authen::CAS dependency 14:35 hdl_laptop chris_n: will post some followup 14:35 chris_n tnx hdl_laptop 14:59 chris_n interesting... the opac cart button now shows up in the staff interface... 14:59 * chris_n scratches his head 15:01 gmcharlt chris_n: yep, one of the BL patches implements that - it's the intranetbookbag pref IIRC 15:01 chris_n looks bit odd with that green/gray button stuck up there :-) 15:02 hdl_laptop chris_n 15:03 hdl_laptop yes. book bag is usefull also for librarians. 15:03 * chris_n is looking for the syspref 15:04 chris_n found it 15:22 * chris_n notes more pain from closed source forking on the list 15:30 sekjal rebooted my production server this morning, and now I can't get zebrasrv to restart. 15:31 sekjal getting "lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [No such file or directory]" 15:34 sekjal okay, dopey me, didn't recreate the directory; thought it would still be there from before 15:43 gmcharlt sekjal: most ubuntu and debian distros clear out /var/lock entirely during reboot 15:47 sekjal ah, thanks gmcharlt. I'm noting that in my local docs 15:52 gmcharlt sekjal: note that misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh takes care of that for you, so you may want to tweak your startup scripts to follow it's lead 16:13 sekjal and just to confirm, it's better to use rebuild_zebra.pl in cron than to run the zebraqueue-daemon, correct? 16:14 gmcharlt sekjal: genrally speaking, yes 16:14 sekjal great. ::takes more notes:: 16:58 sekjal rebooted my server, now the OPAC and staff client are unreachable. apache, mysql and perl are all running according to top 16:59 chris_n sekjal: maybe tail the apache error.log or access.log to see what's up 17:01 sekjal this happened earlier today, and a second reboot fixed it. since putting a symlink to misc/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh in my /etc/init.d, however, subsequent reboots have not fixed it 17:01 sekjal ... apparently, I'm just impatient 17:01 sekjal working now 17:01 sekjal argh, I hate that! 17:02 * chris_n thinks impatiences strikes everyone at some point in time ;-) 17:06 sekjal I think the universe decided that massive sucker punch was the order of the day; getting it from all sides this morning! 17:08 kf bye #koha 17:08 brendan later kf 17:08 kf :) 17:38 ftherese is there anyway to speed up koha? 17:39 ftherese I am afraid that it will not be accepted by our library if it can't respond a little quicker 17:39 brendan ftherese are you using zebra? 17:40 ftherese yes 17:40 ftherese I am even using it on raid 17:40 ftherese it takes the same amount of time to go from one page to another as it does to make a search 17:40 ftherese why is there so much hesitation at the level of simple page navigation? 17:41 ftherese cups responds almost imediately 17:41 ftherese koha... 17:41 ftherese well 17:41 ftherese just wait a few seconds 17:45 ftherese is there anything that can be done to remove these hesitations in the koha web-interface? 17:45 brendan ftherese which linux are you on? 17:46 paul_p ftherese: is your browser cache ON ? 17:46 paul_p otherwise, all the js/jquery stuff is loaded everytime, and, it's true, it's long. 17:46 ftherese I am Ubuntu 9.x 17:46 paul_p maybe a DNS issue can explain slowness too 17:46 ftherese where is browser cache set? in the browser?.. 17:46 * paul_p has to head back home. ftherese, i hope you'll find a solution. 17:47 paul_p ftherese: yep, in the browser 17:47 ftherese I think it is a dns issue, but when I have VirtualHost set to the local network 17:47 brendan you can also check to see if there are some un-neccesary processes that are running on your server 17:47 paul_p leaving now. 17:47 brendan bye paul_p 17:47 ftherese bye paul_p 17:47 ftherese brendan, I did a fresh install on a new machine 17:47 brendan if you go to your command line and type 17:47 brendan top 17:48 brendan it will show you whats running and how much memory etc. is being used 17:52 ftherese brendan: why does cups load instantly between menu items, whereas koha has to think about it each time? 17:53 brendan not sure what you mean cups? 17:53 ftherese cups is the Common unix printing system 17:53 brendan ah ok 17:54 brendan not sure 17:54 ftherese it also runs through a web interface 17:54 brendan I'm stuck with suggestions at the moment 18:00 schuster testing 18:00 jdavidb Hi, schuster! 18:01 schuster Hey thanks for replying just testing a different IRC client. 18:01 jdavidb no problem! I figured something like that. 18:01 * jdavidb runs in fear of the cloning shusters. 18:03 jdavidb hey, schuster, I hear from my daughter that it's snowing down your way. 18:05 schuster Yep had big flakes this morning will be gone shortly if it isn't already! 18:05 jdavidb None of that here yet...raining, *again*, but no snow. 18:07 schuster More rain for Friday 18:12 Colin raining here too guys site visit to Rome next week should be warmer though 18:13 * jdavidb wonders about the possibility of a transfer from PTFS to PTFS-Europe...site visits to Rome are bound to be interesting. 18:16 Genji how do i figure out if Zebra is using unimarc or marc21? 18:18 pianohacker Genji: check etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg 18:18 pianohacker (in your koha install directory) 18:25 chris fredericd: if there is a lag, it is probably a dns issue, put some entries in you /etc/hosts 18:25 chris hmm wrong person hehe 18:46 pianohacker /ping/ 18:46 pianohacker woops 18:47 Ropuch ;> 18:48 pianohacker Apparently my IRC connection _is_ up, time to play internet connection russian roulette again and try to load this website 18:57 chris ok bus time, bbl 19:11 schustertest did the KUDOS meeting announcement go out on the DEVEL and Koha general lists? I'm in digest mode so can't see them. 19:11 sekjal yes 19:11 brendan yup 19:12 schustertest OK thanks - I was having email trouble as well as well I'm technologically stumped today... I'm taking a javascript class. 19:18 jdavidb Spending time in javascript will warp your brain, schustertest. In extreme cases, it can make you think that everything can be a client-side app. 19:18 schustertest I just want to change the color ;) 19:19 jdavidb Ah, the Dark Arts of CSS... 19:20 cait hi #koha 19:20 brendan schustertest are you going to be posting notes to the kudos meeting later? 19:21 brendan heya cait 19:22 cait hi brendan 19:27 schustertest Yes I hope to get them posted on the KUDOS website and then send them to the KOHA lists. 19:27 schustertest another reason for doing chat. 19:33 brendan @wunder 93117 19:33 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (11:31 AM PST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). 19:33 brendan munin - it really feels colder than that here - are you sure you're correct? 19:33 munin brendan: Error: "-" is not a valid command. 19:33 Genji @wunder palmerston north 19:33 munin Genji: The current temperature in Palmerston North Aws, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 03, 2009). Conditions: . Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 19:56 chris back 19:56 brendan hey chris 19:56 brendan I had a question for you 19:57 brendan do you need a visa to get into NZ? 19:57 schustertest visa or passport? 19:57 brendan if so you're definitely going to want to add that to the kohacon wiki 19:57 brendan nope visa 19:57 chris you need both 19:57 brendan you'll need a passport 19:58 brendan ok a link to "how to get a visa" will be important 19:58 chris its different for every country 19:58 schustertest WOW! Just to visit that's interesting. 19:58 brendan right 19:58 russ chris: err depends on the country 19:58 schustertest hmmm. 19:58 russ i think the US and NZ are part of the same Visa waiver programme 19:58 brendan so maybe a note - would be good instrad 19:58 chris schustertest: its the same with the US 19:58 brendan instead 19:59 chris http://glossary.immigration.govt.nz/visafreecountries.htm 20:00 chris http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/visit/visitors/ 20:00 russ not many people need a visa to get into NZ :-) 20:02 brendan thanks 20:02 brendan was just looking into visa's for australia and it made me think :) 20:02 russ brendan: where are you? 20:02 chris if you plan to do any work at all 20:02 brendan you need one for australia coming from the US 20:02 chris get a visa 20:02 chris or if longer than 3 months, ditto 20:03 brendan I'm in California USA 20:07 russ looks like anyone travelling to aussie needs a visa - no wavier programme there 20:07 chris yeah 20:07 brendan yup 20:07 chris aussie border guard: "Do you have any criminal convictions?" 20:07 chris traveller: "Is that still a requirement?" 20:08 brendan yup "I throw eggs at non-code-releasing" "so-called open source vendors" 20:10 chris :) 20:11 chris schustertest: what is the time there now? 20:11 brendan it's 2pm CST 20:12 brendan so the KUDOS meeting has started 20:17 Genji KUDOS? 20:17 ricardo Genji: http://kudos.koha.org/ 20:18 brendan sekjal++ 20:20 * chris goes to be nosey 20:20 brendan :) 20:20 * brendan too 20:26 Ropuch Crap, gtranslator crashes while saving 20:33 ricardo Going home now. Take care everybody! 20:33 pianohacker bye, ricardo 20:33 chris cya ricardo 20:33 ricardo Bye Jesse & Chris :) (out) 20:48 pianohacker chris_n/chris_n2: around? 20:51 chris sup ? 20:54 pianohacker just curious if he had figured out cause/solution of updatedatabase.pl errors 20:54 chris havent had a chance to look 20:56 chris ahh sorry, misread, the chris_n triggers my nick highlighting 20:56 chris but yeah i saw those errors too 20:58 pianohacker cool 21:07 Ropuch Hi paul_p 21:12 sekjal KUDOS meeting complete. went well, I think 21:16 chris yup, was interesting 21:17 sekjal next time we should hold it in IRC, though. 21:18 Genji hmm? how did you see it? 21:18 sekjal Genji: it was in this Java program that schuster's people have. Allows for screensharing, audio, video and such. 21:18 jwagner Is it logged somewhere? 21:18 jwagner Was out on a site visit today, didn't get back in time. 21:18 Genji no one told me about this java program..... 21:19 sekjal yes, the minutes are being published as I type 21:19 chris schuster is going to put the minute ups 21:19 chris Genji: there were emails to the mailing list 21:19 chris s 21:19 chris i count 5 of them 21:19 chris ppl were told 21:20 sekjal it's a neat tool, but we didn't use enough of the features to make it a better fit for the meeting than IRC 21:22 chris wow 21:22 chris catching up on email 21:22 pianohacker Why not just a mibbit link? 21:23 pianohacker http://embed.mibbit.com/?server=irc.katipo.co.nz&channel=%23koha&forcePrompt=true 21:24 chris http://markmail.org/message/m5cmugxommlntp35 21:24 chris very interestin 21:24 sekjal sounds like a good plan for future meetings. 21:25 mib_lh1ydi wow... this is cool. genji here. 21:28 chris it appear all is not sunshine and roses in WALDO land 21:29 cait did you really think it was? 21:29 Genji WALDO? 21:29 pianohacker Genji: http://www.waldolib.org/members.asp 21:29 chris nope, im just glad its public now 21:31 Genji uhh...... lost a director? 21:31 * Genji is totally clueless. 21:31 cait I got kaess thesis some days ago - the survey she did about how content people are with koha 21:31 chris ohh, i hope its not too bad 21:31 cait there are some comments about support there too 21:31 cait no 21:32 cait most people would choose koha again 21:32 imp :) 21:32 pianohacker Genji: WALDO is an association of academic libraries that is a major force behind lek (as I understand), and that email chris mentioned is from manhattan.edu, which is a member 21:32 cait i have to read it a second time, she sent it to me when i was in leipzig for the presentation, read it in my hotel room when I was too tired to really get it all 21:33 chris i will bug her on twitter for a copy :) 21:33 chris ahh its in german eh? 21:33 cait yes it is 21:33 chris maybe i will just bug you to translate it :) 21:33 cait but comments are in english 21:33 Genji what email's this? 21:33 chris are you on the mailing lists genji? 21:33 chris you seem to be missing lots of emails 21:33 Genji only on koha-dev. 21:34 cait better bug her - im not good in translating german ->english 21:34 chris i recommend subscribing to the main list too 21:34 chris will do, thanks cait 21:34 Genji ah.... right. 21:35 cait if you dont reach her iI can sent you a copy, she used a cc license :) 21:36 Genji wheres this main list? 21:36 Genji its not on lists.koha.org? 21:37 chris http://koha.org/about/get-involved/mailing-lists/mailing-listsg 21:37 cait chris: i can give you a short summary after reading it again, but I think she would be happy to hear from you :) 21:37 chris tweeted her 21:38 sekjal most of the other libraries running Koha in my immediate area are with WALDO... SO glad we didn't try to get on that bandwagon 21:39 sekjal well, academic libraries, at least 21:41 brendan wow, just getting back to my email now 21:42 pianohacker chris: sarcasm much? ;) 21:42 chris heh, how could you tell? 21:42 pianohacker it was subtle, but I got it after rereading a few times 21:44 chris :) 21:44 chris cait: hehe she said you will upload it :) 21:48 cait yeah, just read it :) cant promise when (it will perhaps go on one of our repositories), i have the file on my computer at work, email tomorrow? 21:52 chris thats perfect 21:52 chris thank you 21:53 Genji whats the title of the email your refering to, chris? 21:53 cait no problem :) 21:57 Genji Ah, so its been confirmed... people are being left unsupported... and the wider community is left to pick up the pieces. Theres another company that does this. Trixbox. 21:58 Genji Trixbox just refers people onto #freepbx... and of course, they don't get much help, since trixbox have... 'trixxed out' the freepbx original. And its way behind. 22:01 Genji and i killed the channel. 22:02 * chris_n2 thinks chris's keyboard must be dripping with sarcasm atm ;-) 22:03 * Genji scraps some off and cooks breakfast. 22:19 sekjal time to head home. cheers, #koha! 22:19 brendan later sekjal 22:19 joetho me too 22:19 brendan later 22:20 cait time to go to bed here :) good night ! 22:20 chris night cait 22:22 Genji Trixbox pro = Modified version of GPL code, SaaS, unreleased source, just like LEK. And both are against the spirit of FLOSS? 22:38 Genji Okay, when i index the Publishing date field with just itself... its fine.. but if i add :y or :n ... it borks... Unsupported Use Attribute.... 22:39 Genji This means that its not normalized? 22:39 Genji Someone's gone and put a non number in at least one record? 22:39 pianohacker Probably 22:39 pianohacker Why would a publishing date be a number, out of curiosity? 22:40 * Genji headbangs. "Damnit. Damnit damnit. its only supposed to be yyyy ..." 23:05 pianohacker ah 23:05 chris hey wizzyrea 23:13 chris_n2 meeting notes are up: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes09dec02 23:13 chris_n2 next meeting's agenda is started: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10jan13 23:14 chris_n2 and I got to eat my cheese-steak sub before it got cold ;-) 23:21 wizzyrea hello hello 23:21 wizzyrea I got my new puter today :) 23:21 chris cool 23:23 gmcharlt is it a good 'puter? 23:28 chris_n2 wizzyrea_: opps :-) so much for the new network card 23:28 wizzyrea_ yea, 21.5in iMac 23:28 wizzyrea_ lol 23:28 wizzyrea_ nah, I did that 23:33 wizzyrea_ holy jebus. I went from a 17in to a 21 in... what am I going to do with all of this screen?! 23:33 wizzyrea_ it's crazy huge. and it's the small one 23:34 gmcharlt wizzyrea_: you can never have too much screen, alas 23:35 wizzyrea_ gmcharlt: I'm sure I will come to appreciate your words as gospel, but right now it seems like a football field when I'm used to a pool table 23:35 chris_n2 huge_screen++ 23:41 wizzyrea brb 23:42 chris_n2 @wunder 28334 23:42 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 17.0�C (6:20 PM EST on December 02, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 23:54 wizzyrea who thought it was a good idea to make iTunes 600MB 23:54 * wizzyrea sighs