Time Nick Message 00:00 chris 144kph .. they are getting some pace 00:08 brendan cya in a bit 00:45 hank_bank hello koha 00:45 hank_bank I have a question 00:46 hank_bank GRSL or DOM indexing? 00:48 chris MARC21 ? 00:49 hank_bank yes 00:49 chris if so, DOM definitely .. i think DOM for UNIMARC also, but not certain on that 00:49 hank_bank otay thanks! 00:50 pianohacker chris: why, specifically? 00:51 chris for a start its hella easier to read than record.abs 00:52 chris and also because you can change things without needing to reindex everything 00:53 pianohacker O_o you can lose record.abs with dom indexing? 00:53 chris yeah 00:54 pianohacker What replaces it? 00:55 chris 2 secs 01:03 chris view-source:http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/authorities/etc/dom-config-marc.xml 01:03 chris heh, and that link will only work in chromium i think 01:03 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/authorities/etc/dom-config-marc.xml 01:03 chris basically xml and xslt 01:05 pianohacker xslt? 01:06 * pianohacker is not sure this is an improvement 01:06 chris hehe 01:06 chris its more the can change things without needing to reindex that is the total win 01:06 pianohacker Right 01:07 chris and transforming xml with xsl makes some kinda vague sense :) 01:08 chris i think it handles non latin characters better as well, but im not sure about ath 01:11 pianohacker Reindexes are very slow even for small collections, so that's good 01:11 pianohacker If you're already stuck with the bastard format, may as well go all the way 01:11 pianohacker Yeah, Unicode's definitely a strength of XML 01:16 alejandro hi there 01:34 hdl chris not sure DOM can better handle non latin chars 01:35 hdl chris it is rather icu which enables that. 01:35 chris ahh right 01:35 chris wow, it must be 2.30am for you? 01:35 hdl I worked on DOM indexing for biblios and created a dom_wip branch. 01:35 chris ohh cool 01:36 hdl But had no time to invest on that. 01:36 hdl It should be close to achieve something though 01:36 chris excellent 01:37 brendan very cool hdl 01:37 hdl But it took old record.abs as a start. 01:37 hdl So should be updated 01:38 hdl (I worked on that in early march) 01:43 hdl http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/dom_wip 01:44 chris excellent 01:44 chris ill have to have a look when i get some time 02:41 chris brendan: http://www.cricinfo.com/nzvpak2009/engine/current/match/423778.html staging a fightback 02:43 brendan somewhat of a comeback 02:43 brendan still if I am reading it correctly - a bit to go 02:43 chris yep 02:44 chris but from 27/2 to 126/2 is a good effort 03:22 hank_bank question about sudo a2ensite koha 03:22 hank_bank I have ibstalled KOHA from git and I am configuring apache 03:23 hank_bank i get ERROR: Site koha does not exist! 05:20 pianohacker hank_bank: What is the base path of your git install? 05:20 * pianohacker hopes he isn't too late 05:57 henry revisting question about sudo a2ensite koha 05:58 henry henry=hankbank btw 06:01 henry the base path is something like /koha-dev/etc/? 06:01 chris have you done the ln -s to /etc/apache2/sites-available bit? 06:01 henry yes 06:02 henry I tried to change the path in there 06:02 chris so what did you actually run? 06:02 chris and if you do ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha 06:02 chris what do you get 06:03 henry I think it was /etc/koha-dev/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha 06:03 henry thnaks chris 06:03 henry I mean thanks 06:03 henry I will check that tomorrow 06:04 chris yeah you need to link the actual file its probably /home/something/koha-dev/etc/koha-httpd.conf 06:04 henry I am on my home machnine, had to leave work, 06:04 henry yes exactly 06:04 chris and if its saying not found, im picking the link isnt right 06:04 henry it had my home/username in the path 06:05 henry so whne I get the link right then a2ensite should find the site koha? 06:06 chris yep 06:06 henry cool 06:06 chris all that command does is ln -s from sites-available to sites-enabled anyway 06:06 henry I will figure it out 06:06 henry a symbolic link? 06:08 henry thanks 06:24 pianohacker Good night 06:47 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:30 zico hi 12:41 |Lupin| hi there ! 12:42 jdavidb Hello, |Lupin|! :) 12:43 |Lupin| hi jdavidb :) 12:48 jwagner Good morning all 12:52 |Lupin| hey jane 12:56 nengard anyone know what I do to request that a patch I sent is ignored? 12:56 hdl hi jwagner 12:57 |Lupin| nengard: I'd just reply to the e-mail and aski to ignore the patch... 12:57 jwagner Bonjour hdl 12:57 nengard thanks Lupin - will do 13:09 nengard okay - getting annoyed with templates!! can someone tell me why lines 11-13 work but lines 50-52 do not? http://koha.pastebin.com/m51de768 13:12 hdl nengard: mixed TMPL_IF ? 13:12 hdl is that you who introduced EXPR in template ? 13:13 nengard no 13:13 nengard all i added were the 6 lines I pointed out 13:13 hdl ok. 13:13 nengard but what does mixed TMPL_IF mean? the fact that I have an IF inside another IF? 13:14 chris_n g'morning 13:17 chris_n nengard: it looks like you're missing a closing <!-- /TMPL_IF --> for the line 1 TMPL_IF 13:18 Nate morning everyone 13:18 chris_n howdy Nate 13:19 Nate its ca ca ca cold out 13:19 chris_n @wunder 28334 13:19 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.6�C (7:44 AM EST on November 24, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady). 13:19 chris_n its wet and nasty here :-( 13:20 Nate send me to the tropics! 13:20 jdavidb Here too, chris_n. 13:20 chris_n nengard: it looks like the TMPL_IF should be closed after the <!-- /TMPL_LOOP --> tag 13:20 chris_n unless there is more to the template than is posted 13:26 |Lupin| see you later all, bye 13:28 chris_n nengard: looking at review.tmpl, it looks like that TMPL_IF tag is closed after line 57, so that would not be it 13:28 nengard chris_n on skype with hdl and he's helping me 13:28 chris_n k 13:31 nengard okay - time for a git question - how do I revert back to a version that is unedited by me :) 13:32 hdl git reset --hard HEAD 13:36 nengard hdl that pushed it back to my last patch - which was wrong :) how do I get it to ignore my patches and just show me HEAD 13:49 owen Ahoj, #koha 13:50 jwagner nengard, if you're on a branch and want to get the file back to head, I think you can do git checkout filename, can't you? 13:50 nengard jwagner - i don't know - never did it :) will try now 13:50 owen You can if the change is uncommitted 13:55 nengard I commited the change 13:55 nengard it wasn't pushed though ... 13:55 nengard so how do i revert back before my stupid commit? 13:57 owen http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-reset.html 13:57 nengard thanks owen 13:57 owen But as far as I know that resets the branch to HEAD rather than, for instance, just one file 13:57 owen I'm not sure about doing it on a per-file basis 13:59 nengard owen - read through that and that's what hdl suggested I do - but for some reason the changes are still there ... hmmm - off to restart the server 14:09 * jdavidb pings. 14:10 jdavidb Anyone else having trouble getting to git.koha.org? 14:11 chris_n it times out from here 14:11 jdavidb ah-hah. Us too. 14:18 hdl jdavidb: here too 14:19 jdavidb Okay. This explains much. We rebooted our development servers yesterday, and thought something got hosed up there. Guess not. 14:20 * chris_n sends an email to cfouts asking him to check on the problem 14:22 hdl thanks chris_n 15:06 schuster Morning! 15:06 schuster Is there an easy way to see what resources are hogging CPU time? 15:07 jdavidb "top" 15:11 nengard on the patron import tool it has a matching rule at the end that refers to 'Extended Attributes' 15:11 nengard what are they? the same as patron attributes? 15:12 nengard and why is it asking about replacing them? 15:16 schuster Yes - I use Extended attributes for homerooms - and we load them regularly - but we don't always want to completely replace them unless there is an update to a particular attribute 15:29 schuster karma chris ++ 15:52 nengard schuster - I need more explanation - how do I document that - and if we're talking about patron attributes - why are they called extended attributes? 16:07 reiko hi 16:13 reiko does anyone know where date aquired field is in the database? 16:26 owen reiko: Maybe you're looking for items.dateaccessioned? That's the date an item was added to the database 16:34 schuster They are patron attributes and I don' t know why they are extended attributes. 16:35 schuster nengard - does that help? 16:35 nengard schuster - it helps in that I'll report a bug about the wording :) 16:35 Ata hi all 16:36 Ata hi nicol 16:36 nengard hi 16:36 Ata I'm here just to ask a question 16:37 Ata Is there any schedule for release of koha 3.2? 16:37 Ata actually i m intrested in its acquisition module 16:37 Ata can someone update me? 16:40 wizzyrea_ at the last meeting we were 4 weeks from RC1? 16:40 wizzyrea_ something like that? 16:40 wizzyrea_ last meeting was early november, so a RC should be soon 16:40 wizzyrea_ gmcharlt could answer that 16:48 wizzyrea_ jdavidb: It must be done. 16:48 jwagner schuster, your message about an IRC KUDOS meeting -- isn't the regular monthly IRC meeting also on December 2? 16:48 wizzyrea_ 3 dec, according to the chat topic 16:49 jwagner That's the foundation meeting. First Wednesday of the month has been the schedule for the regular devel mtg. gmcharlt? 16:51 wizzyrea_ ah, reading fail, sorry 16:52 * wizzyrea_ has turnkeylinux.org on the brain and can't think straight 16:52 wizzyrea_ ok, I officially loathe AutoGraphics 16:52 * jwagner read that as turkeylinux -- can't read straight! 16:52 owen jwagner: Me too! 16:53 wizzyrea_ their tech department 1. calls me Lisa, 2. keeps asking for information I have already sent 3. are rude about it. 16:53 owen And I'm all, I'm not going to download your holiday-specific distro! 16:53 wizzyrea_ LOL 16:53 wizzyrea_ I love you guys 16:53 wizzyrea_ (but seriously, www.turnkeylinux.org 16:53 wizzyrea_ ) 16:54 jdavidb woot! I finally got an OMG DOO EET from wizzyrea_ ! 16:54 wizzyrea_ ...that could be read in so many ways, most of which are dirty, and none of which applicable ^.^ 16:55 wizzyrea_ er, none of the dirty ways 16:55 wizzyrea_ only the "you should do that like, so right now" way. 16:55 jdavidb I figured as much. 16:55 wizzyrea_ :D 16:56 wizzyrea_ that was my best valley girl impression. were you impressed? 16:56 jdavidb Very! 16:59 jdavidb Someone requested an Evergreen one on their forums--got turned down. But someone else said, "I'm working on *foo*...how do I share it with y'all?" and they said, "Great! Do <xyz> and we'll take a look!" 16:59 jdavidb So maaaaaybe.. 17:00 wizzyrea_ yea, I'm guessing that if someone did the work for them (or much of it) they'd include just about anything 17:00 wizzyrea_ I'm sure they don't want to go learning every webapp just to make VM's 17:00 wizzyrea_ I downloaded the file server one, and it is HAWT. 17:00 wizzyrea_ so easy to use 17:01 owen A HAWT file server! :) 17:01 jdavidb I'll yank in their "core" iso, and see what I can do with it, maybe over the holiday. Wanna make it so all they gotta do to upgrade is "git pull" and run updatedatabase.pl 17:02 wizzyrea_ yea, that would be so cool. it would also be cool if someone wrote a koha webmin module 17:03 pianohacker Good morning 17:03 owen Hi pianohacker 17:04 pianohacker Hi owen 17:04 pianohacker How's it going? 17:04 owen Fine. I've been in PHP mode lately rather than Koha mode. 17:04 wizzyrea_ mornin PH 17:05 pianohacker owen: I'm sorry 17:06 owen You can be sorry I'm not in Koha mode, but I don't need your PHP sympathy ;) 17:07 pianohacker Don't tell me you enjoy it 17:07 owen I enjoy it because I know it and I can make it do stuff 17:08 * owen can't say the same about Perl 17:09 owen In order to convince me otherwise you'll have to pony up the $2500 for the 5-day Perl workshop nengard and I are wishing we could afford :) 17:11 Colin owen: We can do you a free one day one if you come to London 17:11 owen An appealing offer! 17:12 chris i can probably swing one after the conference 17:12 chris a decent number of the CPAN modules koha uses were written by catalyst staff, and we host the wellington perl mongers group 17:14 nengard Colin - that might cost $2000 in expenses just to get to London :) 17:14 chris im sure i can rope some in to talk :) 17:15 nengard pianohacker - what's wrong with PHP? That's the language I know too 17:15 pianohacker It's not very elegant. You can get stuff done in it, though 17:17 chris right, october it is, everyone start saving now :) 17:17 jwagner pianohacker, er, news for you -- Perl ain't very elegant either :-) 17:17 * chris bans language wars from #koha 17:17 pianohacker jwagner: Well, there's definitely degrees 17:18 sekjal PHP is a perfectly fine language. That said, I'm more interested in working on my Perl (since that's what Koha is written in) 17:18 * pianohacker is trying not to provoke one, happily goes along with ban 17:18 nengard pianohacker - I got TONS of stuff done with it - all of Jenkins Law Library is running on apps I wrote in PHP 17:18 pianohacker we are having a _spirited discussion_, not a war! 17:18 chris :) 17:18 jwagner chris, could be worse -- we could start a religious war over PC vs Mac vs Linux! 17:18 nengard agree - just wonder why people like one language over another 17:18 nengard I don't know Perl - so I prefer PHP :) hehe 17:19 nengard but I do want to learn Perl cause I want to do more with Koha 17:19 * owen already ported his library's intranet apps from ColdFusion to PHP years ago, might as well port them to Perl when I'm able! 17:19 nengard hehe 17:20 * jdavidb suggests for 3.4, that we convert Koha to COBOL, with Fortran used for the fine-totals-calculations. 17:20 pianohacker Watch out, soon you'll be writing them in LISP 17:20 jwagner or ADA? 17:20 nengard hey - off topic - tv question - what's the big diff between a 720p and a 1080p TV - like is it a big enough diff I'd see it? is it worth $1000 more? 17:21 * nengard throws a tomato at jdavidb 17:21 pianohacker would depend on the size, and what content you've got going to it 17:21 owen nengard: Look for a TV written in Perl. They're more elegant. 17:21 nengard pianohacker - just watching TV and I don't want more than 42" 17:21 pianohacker Now wait a minute 17:21 sekjal nengard: not worth it in my opinion; i'm running Blu-ray on 720p and I'm perfectly happy with the quality 17:21 jwagner nengard, the WashPost's tech guy consistently says 720p is fine unless you're going for BluRay or other REALLY hidef stuff. For normal broadcasts you'll never notice the difference. 17:22 nengard awesome - thanks all - then I might brave the Black Friday sales for my first hi def tv 17:22 pianohacker Man, good luck 17:23 owen nengard: I hope you don't have a large library VHS tapes, you'll be shocked at how terrible they look on your new TV 17:23 nengard donated all VHS tapes to library before moving the last time 17:23 * owen 's kids still have some favorite stuff on VHS 17:23 nengard DVDs only 17:23 * jdavidb debated going to Best Buy for one of the $199 HP laptops. Then noticed that they'll be giving out tickets at 3 AM. I can't *get* there at 3 AM, period. Prior to 6:30 is unlikely. 17:23 nengard no blue ray either - not really sure it's worth the extra $$ 17:24 * owen would be justified in torrenting the titles he has on VHS, right, because he owns them, right? 17:24 nengard jdavidb - HOLY CRAP - I missed that one 17:24 chris jwagner: there is no argument there .. only one is free the rest are proprietary madness ... case closed :) 17:25 jwagner Harrumph. 17:25 jdavidb It's not very macho. Be good for someone who just needs something for when they travel, but it's *not* a power-user's box. 17:25 * jdavidb is happy with his Eee for travel. 17:26 gmcharlt jwagner: yes, first Wednesday of each month is the regular meeting 17:26 jdavidb The $199 HP is running Win7, too. Ick. 17:27 chris i wonder if you can get it for $-30 if they take the windows tax off 17:27 pianohacker Hi, gmcharlt 17:27 owen I have on my calendar that Dec. 3 is the next foundation meeting. 17:28 jwagner so schuster, you might want to reschedule the KUDOS meeting 17:28 chris yup thats right 17:28 owen Well, to be fair: the Dec. 2 meeting is early in the morning for US folks. 17:28 owen schuster's meeting wouldn't conflict 17:29 owen (unless we had all fallen asleep by then) 17:29 jwagner But 3 IRC meetings in 2 days? The flesh is weak.... 17:30 owen It's okay jwagner, only 2 IRC meetings. And one java-something meeting ;) 17:31 jwagner A distinction without a difference... 17:31 chris i dont think ive had 3 days without an irc meeting 17:32 chris :) 17:42 jwagner Well, chris, if the rest of the world chooses to live so far away from you.... 17:42 owen To our detriment I'm sure 17:43 pianohacker Harder to pester you to apply patches when you become the rm if we can't threaten an in-person visit 17:43 jwagner pianohacker, maybe we need to set up a travel fund so people can go pester chris in person when needed! 17:43 pianohacker Hahahaha 17:44 pianohacker Best travel scholarship I've heard of 17:44 jwagner I'll volunteer to be the point person for making the trips :-) 17:45 * jwagner thinks low blood sugar is contributing to silliness factor. Maybe I'd better go get some lunch.... 17:58 wizzyrea_ hmm. there's a tweetup today in lawrence... should I go? 17:59 wizzyrea_ nah. 17:59 owen A tweetup is what, a bunch of random Twitterers getting together to talk about how they all tweet? 18:02 Colin You mean you have to count up to 140 while talking? 18:03 * jdavidb laughs. 18:08 wizzyrea_ hee 18:16 nengard another doc question - on march export tool -- '# Remove non-local items ' means items not at the library you're exporting for? 18:19 pianohacker nengard: Yes, it deletes items that don't have the same branch as the user's home or selected branch 18:19 pianohacker items that don't have the same *home* branch 18:19 nengard wait- if i"m logged in as being at MAIN and then I do the export with all libraries turned on - will it remove items from all but the MAIN branch? 18:20 nengard and if I'm at MAIN and I choose CENTER as the branch to export for - will it export MAIN and CENTER - or just CENTER? 18:22 pianohacker nengard: will remove all but MAIN for the first, and all but CENTER for the second 18:22 nengard good to know - will add that TIP :) thanks!! 18:24 nengard one more - 'Accession date' means the date acquired right? 18:24 pianohacker Should, yes 18:24 pianohacker items.dateaccessioned 18:24 nengard ah 18:24 nengard thanks 18:28 schuster Thanks owen for verifying what I thought about the IRC chat being like at 5 AM? Central time on Dec 2nd? 18:29 schuster We had discussed doing the chat for KUDOS not on IRC but more as a CHAT where we could just send out the link and people don't have to figure out how to get on it .. Library types rather than techie. 18:29 schuster sorry jwagner 18:29 schuster Chris... That branch:901 seems to work! 18:29 schuster impacts results display time but will be playing with it. 18:31 * jwagner has been listening to car alarm going off in the parking lot. Anyone got a sledgehammer? 18:32 schuster suspect jdavidb - peeking over a cubie to see how long it takes to drive jwagner crazy... 18:32 jwagner He Knows Better Than That (she said ominously) 18:33 jwagner On the other hand, it DID just stop.... 18:34 pianohacker o_o 18:34 * pianohacker bows 18:34 pianohacker jwagner: please don't hurt me 18:35 jwagner Now why would I hurt YOU? 18:35 jwagner Other people, maybe.... 18:35 jdavidb because he did it! Weren't me! 18:35 * jdavidb points at pianohacker with one hand, and schuster with the other. 18:36 jwagner Spreading the blame around, I see :-) 18:36 jdavidb There's plenty. 18:36 jdavidb Besides, schuster is used to me blaming him. Last December-ish, during his go-live, I blamed him for a lot of my sorrows. 18:37 jwagner Isn't there an old hymn called Man of Sorrows? 18:38 jwagner (Clearly lunch has done nothing to reduce my silliness factor....) 18:38 jdavidb I think so, yes. 18:38 * jdavidb is silly most of the time. It's not fatal. Most of the time. 18:44 chris schuster: excellent :) 18:44 brendan morning all 18:47 chris ok, bus time, will be back in 40 mins or so 18:47 chris time to read some terry pratchett on the bus 18:47 * chris wanders off 19:08 nengard afternoon brendan 19:08 brendan :) 19:20 Ropuch Hi nengard, brendan 19:20 brendan howdy Ropuch 19:21 pianohacker Hi Ropuch, brendan 19:34 |Lupin| hi all 19:35 pianohacker Hi |Lupin| 19:35 |Lupin| hey Jesse :) 19:35 |Lupin| We went live today... :) 19:36 pianohacker Hey, congratulations 19:36 owen Congratulations |Lupin|! 19:36 sekjal congratulations, |Lupin|! 19:36 brendan congrats |Lupin| 19:36 |Lupin| thanks :) 19:37 |Lupin| in case you guys wnna have a look 19:37 |Lupin| http://www.serveur-helene.org 19:37 |Lupin| any comment welcome cause I have no idea how the site looks, visually :) 19:38 richard hi 19:39 |Lupin| So far the only problem reported is that AddReturn fails for some users 19:40 |Lupin| Is it possible that it fails because user's branch is different from item's homebranch ? 19:40 |Lupin| hi richard 19:40 pianohacker |Lupin|: shouldn't hurt anything 19:40 mdhafen I think IndependantBranches has to be on for AddReturn to limit return branch. 19:41 mdhafen And it should give a warning 19:41 chris_n |Lupin|: congratulations 19:41 jwagner |Lupin| the OPAC looks good, congratulations. Did you do customization on the advanced search screen and the record display? 19:42 mdhafen Some of my librarians have reported AddReturn not working all the time, but that might be because they aren't waiting for the page load. Haven't looked into it yet. 19:42 mdhafen Record Display is ISBD by default. 19:43 jwagner And for chris or any other translators, I can see a phrase that needs it, maybe more than one. The headers in the facets list (left side of results list) are all English, as is the entry at the top -- Limit to currently available items. Shouldn't these have translations somewhere? 19:43 mdhafen seems item types don't have icons either 19:43 chris back 19:44 jwagner mdhafen, didn't notice the ISBD display, thanks. There are still some interesting features on advanced search. 19:44 chris |Lupin|: i sent a patch for that bug with permissions on the opac 19:45 hdl congrats |Lupin 19:45 jwagner Actually, |Lupin|, do you have it set to French? I'm seeing English all over the place (advanced search, cart, etc.). 19:46 cait hi #koha 19:46 chris |Lupin|: it looks good to me, but yes it is in english (probably my browser settings kicking in) 19:46 jwagner Hi cait 19:48 chris |Lupin|: very cool, well done 19:48 |Lupin| hmm 19:48 |Lupin| soorry all 19:48 |Lupin| waas on phone 19:48 |Lupin| chris: yep, wanted to thank you a lot for the patch! it's applied on the helene branch used for the live sstem 19:48 chris excellent 19:49 chris collaboration is what makes koha great! 19:49 cait hi jwagner, Lupin, chris 19:49 |Lupin| jwagner: it should be all in french... I don't know why there are english things, I used the latest .po file 19:49 |Lupin| guten Abend cait 19:49 chris |Lupin|: koha will offer you the templates in whatever language your browser says it wants 19:49 cait lupin: is your opac online? 19:49 chris so since the en templates are there, its giving us those 19:50 |Lupin| btw: the git repo is available... git://serveur-helene.org/src/koha should work just fine. The repo is ran from sources, helene branch. 19:50 chris cool 19:50 |Lupin| cait: yep. www.serveur-helene.org 19:50 |Lupin| chris: ah I see... It's true I didn't see that much english... 19:50 chris |Lupin|: you may want to check the settings in syspref tho 19:51 |Lupin| chris: which ones ? 19:51 chris the localisation ones 19:51 chris just to make sure french is set as the default for the opac 19:51 |Lupin| chris: k... in order to set default language to french, you mean ? 19:51 jwagner chris, thanks for the tip -- I told my browser to display in French, and everything is now showing up as French. Never Mind. 19:52 |Lupin| jwagner: cool ! 19:52 cait lupin: cool! 19:52 |Lupin| chris: not sure I really want french as the default, frankly... Letting the browser tell what it wants looks fine to me... no ? 19:52 chris yep, i think so too 19:52 |Lupin| actually, this is not very customised... 19:53 |Lupin| jwagner: to answer your question: it's the ISBD view but it has been rewritten a lot... 19:53 |Lupin| one think my organisation is asking 19:53 jwagner But I would really like whatever you did on the advanced search page, for the serials searching. Have you submitted that? 19:53 |Lupin| is that the Koha logo is replaced by something else that identifies the organisaiton more 19:53 |Lupin| do other libraries also show their own logo ? 19:54 mdhafen There should be a sys.pref. just for replacing the logo. 19:54 |Lupin| jwagner: hmm ! I really think I didn't do anything at all !! 19:54 cait mdhafen: isnt there one? opacsmallimage or something? 19:55 mdhafen that's what I was thinking. 19:55 |Lupin| mdhafen: is your "should" a wishlist, or are you saying there already is one ? In that case I didn't find it... looked for variables like '%logo%' in systempreferences, couldn't find anything 19:55 jwagner Yes, if you load an image file about 120 x 40 pixels somewhere web accessible, then put that address in the opacsmallimage syspref, it should show up. 19:56 cait mdhafen: sorry, misunderstanding :( 19:56 |Lupin| ah I didn't look for image... cool ! 19:56 mdhafen no problem. I wasn't clear. 19:57 |Lupin| cait: anyway many thanks for the pref, you are great 19:57 |Lupin| jwagner: you mentionned icons for item types... did you mean these "Domiaine public" and "livres sous droits" ? 19:58 jwagner actually, I think it was mdhafen that mentioned those -- I don't like item type icons myself :-) In item type setup, you can assign images to each item type, like a little book or DVD. 19:59 jwagner To me, they just clutter up the screen without adding any great value. But I'm a text person. 19:59 |Lupin| chris (or someone else): in the code for downloading a book AddReturn is called immediately after AddIssue. It's just to record the fact that the book has been downloaded, in order to do some statistics later. Can it be a reason for AddReturn to fail ? 20:00 mdhafen yeah, I mentioned the Item Type images. Like jwagner says, some people don't like them. I just noticed because I'm used to seeing them, so it was something different for me. 20:00 |Lupin| jwagner: I think you know so am I, too ! :-) 20:00 |Lupin| jwagner: anyway our readers will be visually impaired persons, so adding icons makes even less sense... 20:02 |Lupin| mdhafen: I see. Well we only have two item types at the moment: publi domain books and copyrighted books, seems rather difficult to represent those by icons to me anyway 20:03 mdhafen hmm, maybe I'm mistaking location for Item type then. 20:04 |Lupin| mdhafen: can you give an example of what you call locaiton on our OPAC, please ? Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing... 20:04 mdhafen sure. On the advanced search page in the 'limit to any of the following' section, doc, docx, html, odt, pdf, rtf, txt, xml. That's what I'm seeing 20:05 |Lupin| mdhafen: these are collecton codes actually 20:06 mdhafen ah. Figured it must be something like that. cool. 20:06 |Lupin| mdhafen: collection codes == file formats 20:06 mdhafen i see. I didn't know that. 20:06 |Lupin| mdhafen: perhaps not that obvious... :-) 20:06 chris |Lupin|: I can't see why that would make it fail 20:06 |Lupin| so, no clue for this AddReturn problem ? 20:06 |Lupin| (no warnings in the logs) 20:06 mdhafen lupin: rather I'm not a librarian, so it wasn't obvious to me ;) 20:07 mdhafen I'm just a programmer :) 20:08 |Lupin| mdhafen: neither am I so it was not obvious at all how o model our things... 20:08 chris |Lupin|: is it just silently not returning items? 20:08 |Lupin| mdhafen: as chris said, we had (have) to bend Koha a little bit to suit our needs, but since Koha is flexible it was cactually possible to bend it 20:09 |Lupin| chris: it doesn't return items and the first argument of the returned list is 0 20:09 |Lupin| chris: that is, the returnok thing says the retrn failed, and my script sees that and prints an error message. 20:09 mdhafen lupin: certainly. There are many places for bending... perhaps this contributed to my confusion ;) 20:10 |Lupin| chris: and indeed there are some issues in the issues table, which are precisely those that are not returned, if I understand things correctly 20:10 chris yep 20:10 chris without poking round a bit, i don't have many suggestings im afraid 20:10 |Lupin| chris: once an issue has been returned it is moved to oldissues, right ? 20:11 chris yes 20:11 chris and it should ahve its returndate set 20:11 |Lupin| chris: np... will try to debug that... just wanted to check nobody knows before diving 20:11 |Lupin| chris: well the issues are not moved... 20:11 * chris_n spends the morning debugging a rounding problem :-P 20:12 |Lupin| chris: how pleasant this must be... :/ 20:13 |Lupin| chris_n: hi, and thanks a lot for having submitted Bug 3800 :) thanks to you and chris it's fixed now. Amazing what two chriss can achieve... 20:13 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3800 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, In OPAC when a logged in user tries to reach a page for which he/she does not have permission, the message saying "Koha doesn't think you have permission" is not displayed. 20:14 chris_n |Lupin|: always glad to help 20:14 chris im glad we have lots of mirrors of git.koha.org now 20:14 chris git once again shows how much better distributed version control is 20:15 chris i remember when sourceforge used to go down 20:15 mdhafen I noticed git.koha.org wasn't responding. I'm curious what happened to it? 20:15 chris now when git.koha.org disappears its an annoyance not a show stoppper 20:15 chris mdhafen: not sure, it happened last month too 20:16 |Lupin| yeah it's cool to have git 20:16 mdhafen I know my mirror is at least 1 commit behind, but it was a .po update, so I wasn't eager to apply it yesterday. 20:16 mdhafen yes, git is very cool 20:16 |Lupin| btw 20:16 |Lupin| is there some kind of freeze on master ? 20:17 chris feature freeze 20:17 |Lupin| I didn't see any commit for a month and a half or so... 20:17 chris galen is super busy, but is going to be doing merges and applying patches (bug fix patches) shortly 20:17 |Lupin| chris: rightt, but not even bugfixes have been pushed to the pub repo I think 20:17 mdhafen I'll be glad to see patches on master again :) 20:18 |Lupin| mdhafen: me too 20:18 |Lupin| one thing I noticed when our librarian started to add members 20:19 |Lupin| is that the user category which is selecte by default seems to be the first one in alphabetical order 20:19 chris yup, im sure galen is well aware of it too, maybe the gates foundation can give us 1million and we can pay fulltime release managers :-) 20:19 |Lupin| which is not very suitable for us because it's the ADMIN category, almost nobody is in that category... 20:20 |Lupin| would be nice to be able to specify a default category or even to assign ranks to them to define in which order they should appear in the list 20:21 pianohacker But then they wouldn't be alphabetic, and some librarian would look at it and have a _stroke_ 20:21 * jdavidb thinks pianohacker has librarians figured out. 20:23 |Lupin| pianohacker: well one could they sort first by rank, second alphabetically, so one would just have to give rank 1 to all the categories to have the current behaviour. rank could be 1 by default anyway... 20:24 jwagner I had to pull a trick with item creation on one site -- wish it could be done for patrons. 20:24 cait lupin: are they sorted by code or by description? for description you could just add something like a blank to your "default" 20:24 pianohacker I think it would probably best just to give a default category 20:24 mdhafen yeah, we could have another sys.pref. for that ;) 20:24 jwagner Because the blasted 942c insists on being used for item type in several places, and no one ever fills it in, I set it to default to Book rather than the first thing in line (which was a non-circulating item type). That way at least the item will show up. 20:25 |Lupin| http://pastebin.com/f31d0ca2f 20:25 jwagner I'd _really_ like to get rid of biblioitems.itemtype.... 20:25 pianohacker jwagner: even with item-level_itypes on? 20:25 jwagner Yep. 20:25 |Lupin| anybody seems something weird in this issue table ? 20:25 pianohacker jwagner: There was a proposed db update to completely excise biblioitems.itemtype, not sure what happened to it 20:26 wizzyrea_ |Lupin| I contend that anywhere it is logical to do so, the logged in branch should always be the branch selected. I'm for contextual defaults. 20:26 wizzyrea_ and alphabetized after that :P 20:26 * jdavidb gets out his excising machete...er...knife. 20:26 pianohacker |Lupin|: only thing that I notice is that issuingbranch is not set 20:26 jwagner pianohacker, I'd vote yes on that as many times as they'd let me! 20:26 wizzyrea_ 200, to be exact 20:27 jwagner (Does Koha community allow for vote rigging? Register all the people in the cemeteries, quick!) 20:27 |Lupin| wizzyrea_: I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you mean.. 20:27 wizzyrea_ |Lupin| I mean, in response to your ranking of list items suggestion 20:27 wizzyrea_ sorry that was ages ago :P 20:29 |Lupin| wizzyrea_: I wonder whehter there isn't a misunderstanding... Do we gree that the suggestion was to use ranks just for user categories and not for other lists ? 20:29 |Lupin| wizzyrea_: no it as not so long ago and I realized it was related, but still I didn't understand;.. I'm sorry... most certainly due to my limited skills in english 20:29 wizzyrea_ |Lupin| I think those should be contextual: i.e. the user categories of the logged in branch should always be on top, then alphabetical after that 20:30 wizzyrea_ |Lupin| I have a fairly strong consortial workflow bias. :P 20:30 |Lupin| wizzyrea_: oh I didn't rrealise each branch can have different categories !! 20:30 wizzyrea_ |Lupin| well, ours do :) 20:31 wizzyrea_ (if we are talking about the same categories) 20:31 |Lupin| wizzyrea_: is that lined with independent branches being set ? 20:31 wizzyrea_ |Lupin| no, we have indy branches off 20:31 wizzyrea_ |Lupin 20:31 |Lupin| wizzyrea_: borrowers.categorycode <-- I'm talking about these 20:31 wizzyrea_ | we are one giant happy db sharing consortium 20:32 |Lupin| wizzyrea_: ok 20:32 wizzyrea_ |Lupin| Yep we are talking about the same thing 20:32 |Lupin| wizzyrea_: ok 20:32 jwagner wizzyrea, how are you linking category codes to branches? I don't see any field in the setup for that. Is it just defining them with the branch name so people can see it? 20:33 wizzyrea_ jwagner: yep, example ATCHISON has ATCH-DIST 20:33 |Lupin| pianohacker: does it matter what the value of issuingbranch is ? I can certainly define it to be the homebranch of the item or something like that, it doesn't matter too much which branch it is... 20:34 pianohacker |Lupin|: It might be related to your returns problem, hard to say 20:34 * pianohacker knows as little about branch transfer logic as possible 20:34 |Lupin| jwagner: thanks for having asked the quesiton, I was about to inspect the tables :) 20:35 |Lupin| wizzyrea_: anyway, if the categoies are not linked to branches in the db, then I don't see how your ordering could be implemented... it would require to add a branch field in the table where categories are defined... 20:35 jwagner wizzyrea, I was about to get code-envy, thanks for clarifying. For true consortial work, it would be nice to specify branch for item types, collection codes, patron categories, etc. etc....... 20:35 wizzyrea_ |Lupin| true, it would be quite a change 20:36 mdhafen or specify branch group 20:36 |Lupin| boooooh... so many things to code... 20:36 wizzyrea_ jwagner: it *would* be nice to be able to specify, but I think we like the simplicity that molding our libraries into set itypes/ccodes allows 20:36 wizzyrea_ (and boy howdy, do we mold them... heh) 20:37 wizzyrea_ |Lupin| I'm glad you said that, it helps me to understand the complexity of the problem. 20:37 * wizzyrea_ puts that on her list of things to suggest as enhancement... 20:38 |Lupin| wizzyrea_: I'm also glad to know your wish... never thought about per-branches categories... opens interesting tracks ! 20:41 chris anyone know when git.koha.org first went down? 20:41 wizzyrea_ ew, it's down? 20:42 jdavidb We first noticed it here this morning. 20:42 brendan no idea here -- just trying to get to it about 45 minutes ago 20:42 chris so how long since you noticed it jdavidb? 20:42 jdavidb 7 hours, more or less. 20:43 wizzyrea_ nice! 20:43 jwagner I tried to do a git pull about 7:45 AM US Eastern time, with no luck. 20:43 jwagner Thought it was our server at first. 20:43 chris whats the time there now? 20:43 jwagner 3:45 PM Eastern 20:43 |Lupin| pianohacker: well... if it's an issuing branch problem, then I would expect AddIssue rather than AddReturn to complain and fail 20:44 * |Lupin| has to confess talking so much is just a way of procrastinating... 20:44 jwagner git pull did work yesterday morning -- I was working on something then & did one. 20:45 chris ta 20:45 hdl chris : it noticed that around 11AM UTC+1 20:45 chris thanks hdl 20:51 hdl chris_n: is that you who revamped labels work ? I have some questions about PDF::Reuse and its "handiness" 20:51 hdl chris_n: I am working on a feature for 3.2 which would add the ability to upload file for Notices. 20:51 wizzyrea_ hdl: really!!!! 20:52 hdl But I ponder whether HTML file or PDF file should be better handled. 20:53 hdl PDF File seems to be a pain in the neck to edit 20:53 hdl But HTML File would add yet another one dependancy. 20:54 pianohacker hdl: wouldn't html be easier for email notices? 20:58 hdl pianohacker: i lean to that 20:58 chris yeah 20:59 chris html gets my vote 20:59 hdl But then i have to find a way to translate HTML to PDF for printing 20:59 pianohacker hdl: Can't you just use print css, page-break-after and the like, and just print from the html? 21:00 hdl it would be process_message_queue which would print the file 21:00 hdl (for those who donot have any email) 21:01 hdl + HTML syntax could be adapted to be TT Like 21:01 jwagner hdl, I've got to head out, but we've done several print notice development features -- haven't submitted them yet. Basically they run an HTML formatted notice to a file in a directory that's web accessible so staff can pull up the file & print them. 21:01 jwagner See Bug 3482 21:01 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses 21:02 jwagner I'll be unavailable tomorrow morning but email me or talk to jdavidb if you want more info. 21:02 jwagner Gotta run, sorry. 21:03 pianohacker I should also head out, no need to stay late now that school's caught up 21:03 pianohacker Bye all! 21:08 chris update from clay 21:09 chris he's a good man 21:15 hdl really 21:16 hdl ok good night folks 21:16 chris sleep well hdl 21:18 |Lupin| chris: http://pastebin.com/f33545f02 21:18 |Lupin| chris: I just dumped the $messages returned by AddReturn, that's the result 21:19 |Lupin| chris: I think I didn't take some constraint on branches into account... ? 21:20 chris ahhh sounds like yes its not liking you returning it at the wrong branch 21:21 |Lupin| chris: in our system each item has a home branch and a holding branch... I used homebranch to represent the organisaiton which actually owns the file, i.e. which provided it. holdingbranch has the same value for every item... 21:22 chris you might have a syspref set 21:22 chris that says items must be returned to their homebranch 21:22 chris and that might be causing this 21:22 |Lupin| wht I don't quite understand is that the same script invoking just AddIssue with a barcode worked on the dev KOha and fails on the prod KOha, databases being roughly speaking the same... 21:23 chris syspref different? 21:23 |Lupin| chris: normally not 21:24 |Lupin| chris: what I usually do is that I dump the db on the prod system and load it on the dev one 21:24 |Lupin| chris: I'm just redoing the dump of the prod and reloding on the dev system to see what happens 21:27 |Lupin| ah with a fresh dump it fails on the dev install, too... 21:28 |Lupin| strange... don't think I've changed systempreferences recently... 21:30 chris lemme find the syspref for ya 21:33 |Lupin| chris: I think it's IndependantBranches 21:33 chris do you have IndependantBranches set to on? 21:33 chris yeah 21:33 |Lupin| isn't it ? 21:33 chris try turning that off 21:33 |Lupin| chris: yes, and I don't know why to be honnest... 21:34 |Lupin| (this does not explain why it previously worked on the dev install but perhaps I'm not gonna try to understand this... 21:34 |Lupin| chris: is it okay to turn it off while being live ? not know strange side-effect ? 21:34 chris it should be fine, try it on dev first tho 21:35 chris ie turn it off and see if it fixes the problem on dev 21:35 |Lupin| chris: yeah good idea, thanks :) 21:35 |Lupin| chris: thogh the troubles may not appear immediately on the dev install .. the consequences may come to the surface only later in the future... 21:36 |Lupin| chris: yep 21:36 chris it was more testing it actually fixed the problem 21:36 chris 90% of koha users run with it turned off 21:36 chris its really only for consortia 21:37 |Lupin| chris: ok... I think we don't need it anyway. 21:37 wizzyrea_ and sometimes not even for them >.> 21:37 chris yeah 21:41 cait hm time to sleep, koha presentation tomorrow - good night #koha 21:41 brendan night cait 21:41 brendan yo wizzyrea 21:42 brendan to wizzyrea_ 21:42 wizzyrea_ sup 21:44 brendan just waving hi :) 21:47 |Lupin| chris: yep turning off IndependantBranches fixed the problem, thanks a lot 21:47 chris np 21:47 wizzyrea_ oh hi brendan :) 21:48 schuster chris - FYI the only tweak to the branches was to "(branch:001 or branch:901)" otherwise it would bring up ALL of 901 materials 21:49 chris ahh right 21:49 chris glad it worked 21:50 |Lupin| chris: yeah big relief that this issue is solved... still much to do and it's my last week as an employee, so there is some pressure :) 21:51 chris |Lupin|: when do you leave for india? 21:51 brendan hope we don't lose you from koha |Lupin| 21:52 |Lupin| chris: mid december... 21:52 |Lupin| brendan: normally not... :) comunity is so nice that I'm attached ! 21:52 |Lupin| the buddhist library will use KOha to, and Drupal... 21:57 |Lupin| bty did anybody already play with sopac ? 21:57 schuster I thought Biblibre did... 21:59 chris yes Biblibre has 21:59 |Lupin| maybe... they have written some documentaiton at least, so certainly they played with it 21:59 chris and has committed all their work 22:00 |Lupin| chris: but when AddReturn is called, is the branch argument used to update the biblo or items table ? 22:00 chris items, and the marcxml in biblioitems 22:00 |Lupin| chris: where ? in KOha's repository ? 22:00 chris id show you but i cant :) 22:00 |Lupin| chris: it updates the homebranch, right ? 22:01 chris holding 22:01 chris home is only changed when cataloguing 22:01 brendan http://demo.sopac.biblibre.com/ 22:01 chris holdingbranch = where it is now 22:01 chris http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/biblibre-sopac 22:01 chris there is a copy of their sopac branch, its on git.koha.org too i think, as well as git.biblibre.com 22:03 |Lupin| chris: thank you 22:03 |Lupin| this is certainly worth giving it a try... 22:04 |Lupin| chris: I assume there is no easy way to not update the items table on return... too bad perhaps we'll end up not calling AddIssue / AddReturn at all but then we'll have o log downloads manually and do the statistics ourselves... 22:05 chris you can of course pass it the branch you want it to update to 22:05 chris if you always pass it the same branch, that will ahve the same effect as never updating it 22:07 |Lupin| chris: except that it will modify the accessiondate and add some "noise" in the logs, no ? 22:07 chris yep 22:07 chris not accessiondate 22:07 |Lupin| chris: but yes, what you are suggesting is what is currently implemented 22:07 chris that never changes 22:07 chris datelastseen does 22:07 |Lupin| chris: ok. so just noise in the logs... 22:08 |Lupin| chris: right 22:08 |Lupin| btw, how is the due_dae calculated ? 22:09 chris uses the rules you defined in admin 22:09 chris i think defaults to 21 days if you didnt define any 22:11 |Lupin| chris: right... well shouldn't be a problem since the boks are returned immediately after having been issued... 22:11 chris *nod* 22:14 |Lupin| chris: when rising problems I sometimes feel guilty for "bending" koha as you said last time :) 22:15 chris :) 22:18 schuster gobble gobble off to spend the holiday with family! Have a great rest of the week folks. 22:25 bebbi Hello! 22:25 imp heyho 22:26 chris hi bebbi 22:27 |Lupin| guten Abend bebbi 22:28 bebbi There ist only "Koha V2.2.9 Stable Release for Windows for downloading" and not V 3 - why? 22:28 bebbi Guten Abend |Lupin| 22:28 chris because until very recently there were some modules in use with 3 that couldnt be installed on windows 22:29 chris also, for most of the developers (myself included) making it work on a proprietary operating system is low on the list of priorities 22:29 bebbi Oh thats not good for me ;-) 22:30 |Lupin| yeah very low... 22:30 chris chris_n has been doing some work with windows i think he has gotten it to a point wheer it is installable, but still lots of hoops to jump through 22:31 |Lupin| ~/src/koha$ grep Windows TODOLIST 22:31 |Lupin| ~/src/koha$ 22:31 imp -i ? ;) 22:32 |Lupin| ~/src/koha$ grep -i win TODOLIST 22:32 |Lupin| ~/src/koha$ 22:32 chris chris_n: are you about? 22:32 |Lupin| chris: btw: no idea what to reponsd re:braille embossing under Linux... 22:33 chris |Lupin|: me either 22:33 |Lupin| chris: braille printers are so different that it seems hardly doable to have them used transparently by Koha just as if they were traditional printers 22:33 bebbi I ask, because it seemed to me, that the German translation is accessible since V 3... 22:34 chris bebbi: where in germany are you? you just missed cait who is responsible for that german translation 22:34 * imp guesses lower saxony 22:34 |Lupin| yeah and seems definitely a great responsible 22:35 |Lupin| imp: ran a whois on the IP ? 22:35 imp nope 22:35 imp 23:23 -!- bebbi [~Miranda@i53875EB8.versanet.de] has joined #koha 22:35 imp versatel is iirc telephone / internetprovider from bremen 22:35 |Lupin| ok 22:35 bebbi Bochum 22:36 |Lupin| imp: are you using irssi ? 22:36 imp |Lupin|: yes 22:36 bebbi You ????� 22:36 bebbi know 22:36 * imp is from hannover 22:36 |Lupin| irssi++ 22:36 * chris is from wellington, new zealand 22:36 |Lupin| imp++ 22:36 |Lupin| good day NZ ! 22:37 |Lupin| here it's almost time for a sleep, so, goodnight all and till soon 22:37 chris night |Lupin| 22:37 imp chris: it's nearly time for lunch, right? 22:37 chris yep, 20 mins or so 22:37 |Lupin| thanks chris 22:38 |Lupin| Auf wiedersehen Deutschland 22:38 imp |Lupin|: you are from? 22:38 |Lupin| imp: France 22:38 bebbi If there are technical Problems for a new editon for windows ... i have a problem :-( 22:38 bebbi Tsch�ss Frankreich 22:38 |Lupin| bonne nuit ! 22:38 bebbi Adieu Missieu 22:39 chris you cant run it on a linux server? (all the clients using it can run windows of course) 22:39 chris it is just a website after all, so anything that can run a browser can access it 22:39 bebbi I hav'nt a server ... 22:39 chris ahh 22:39 chris how big is the library? 22:39 chris if it is small 22:40 chris then you could run the vmware image 22:40 chris http://contribs.koha.org/extensions.php?category=9 22:40 imp can you run koha with xampp? 22:40 chris imp: conceivably 22:40 chris imp: im not sure anyone has 22:40 bebbi Oh, its only for me ... i'm interessted in ILS and i have books and lotts of News-Paper articles ... 22:41 chris ahh then that vmware image is perfect 22:41 chris you can get the free vmware player for windows 22:41 chris and run koha as a virtual machine 22:41 bebbi It seems to be complicated - or not ? 22:42 chris i dont think its too bad, certainly far less complicated than getting 3 running on windows 22:43 chris another option is the livecd 22:43 chris that might be easier 22:43 chris http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ 22:44 bebbi Ok, than it's my next job to install vmware 22:44 chris with the livecd you download the .iso write a cd, then you can boot from that and run koha 22:44 chris which is a good way to test without installing anything 22:46 bebbi But a live-Cd is bot so comfortable ...but good for testing - yes 22:47 chris *nod* 22:48 bebbi *nod* ???? 22:48 chris picture me nodding my head 22:48 chris :) 22:51 bebbi Ah,ok 22:52 bebbi My keyboard-Layout switch to Hebrew evry minute currently ... :-( 22:52 brendan chris any word from the debian guys - to package koha 22:52 chris its not really up to them 22:53 chris basically vincent danjean has done 90% of the work 22:53 chris we just have to fix some stuff 22:53 chris so it can be finished 22:53 brendan thanks - just curious 22:53 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=debian_packaging_work 22:53 chris written up here 22:53 chris basically it just has to be done 22:54 bebbi Thank you for the support ... 22:54 chris and then we can let him know we have fixed the blockers 22:54 chris and hopefully get it finished off 22:54 chris bebbi: no problem, hope you get it up and working 22:55 chris brendan: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=debian_packaging_work#blockers_questions_in_order_to_package_koha 22:55 brendan reading through it now :) 22:55 chris :) 22:56 bebbi It seems to be difficult ... e.g. Because of I have to reed many english texts ... and my English is not realy good :-( 22:57 chris if you try to come back here in about 10 hours time (ie during your day) 22:57 chris you might be able to catch cait 22:57 chris and she might be able to help 22:59 bebbi I will try my best ... an in Germany we say "Du w�chst mit deinen Aufgaben" (You get better with your problems) 22:59 chris in english we say 22:59 chris "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger" 23:00 bebbi Ok 23:00 bebbi Thats the same meassage :-) 23:00 chris yep 23:02 imp chris: 1:1 in german: "was dich nicht t�tet, macht dich st�rker" 23:41 Nate until tomorrow #Koha! 23:44 russ chris: i'll be freeish after next week to help start sorting conference stuff 23:45 russ 313/6 happy with that :-)