Time  Nick          Message
00:00 chris         144kph .. they are getting some pace
00:08 brendan       cya in a bit
00:45 hank_bank     hello koha
00:45 hank_bank     I have a question
00:46 hank_bank     GRSL or DOM indexing?
00:48 chris         MARC21 ?
00:49 hank_bank     yes
00:49 chris         if so, DOM definitely .. i think DOM for UNIMARC also, but not certain on that
00:49 hank_bank     otay thanks!
00:50 pianohacker   chris: why, specifically?
00:51 chris         for a start its hella easier to read than record.abs
00:52 chris         and also because you can change things without needing to reindex everything
00:53 pianohacker   O_o you can lose record.abs with dom indexing?
00:53 chris         yeah
00:54 pianohacker   What replaces it?
00:55 chris         2 secs
01:03 chris         view-source:http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/authorities/etc/dom-config-marc.xml
01:03 chris         heh, and that link will only work in chromium i think
01:03 chris         http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/authorities/etc/dom-config-marc.xml
01:03 chris         basically xml and xslt
01:05 pianohacker   xslt?
01:06 * pianohacker is not sure this is an improvement
01:06 chris         hehe
01:06 chris         its more the can change things without needing to reindex that is the total win
01:06 pianohacker   Right
01:07 chris         and transforming xml with xsl makes some kinda vague sense :)
01:08 chris         i think it handles non latin characters better as well, but im not sure about ath
01:11 pianohacker   Reindexes are very slow even for small collections, so that's good
01:11 pianohacker   If you're already stuck with the bastard format, may as well go all the way
01:11 pianohacker   Yeah, Unicode's definitely a strength of XML
01:16 alejandro     hi there
01:34 hdl           chris not sure DOM can better handle non latin chars
01:35 hdl           chris it is rather icu which enables that.
01:35 chris         ahh right
01:35 chris         wow, it must be 2.30am for you?
01:35 hdl           I worked on DOM indexing for biblios and created a dom_wip branch.
01:35 chris         ohh cool
01:36 hdl           But had no time to invest on that.
01:36 hdl           It should be close to achieve something though
01:36 chris         excellent
01:37 brendan       very cool hdl
01:37 hdl           But it took old record.abs as a start.
01:37 hdl           So should be updated
01:38 hdl           (I worked on that in early march)
01:43 hdl           http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/dom_wip
01:44 chris         excellent
01:44 chris         ill have to have a look when i get some time
02:41 chris         brendan: http://www.cricinfo.com/nzvpak2009/engine/current/match/423778.html staging a fightback
02:43 brendan       somewhat of a comeback
02:43 brendan       still if I am reading it correctly - a bit to go
02:43 chris         yep
02:44 chris         but from 27/2 to 126/2 is a good effort
03:22 hank_bank     question about sudo a2ensite koha
03:22 hank_bank     I have ibstalled KOHA from git and I am configuring apache
03:23 hank_bank     i get ERROR: Site koha does not exist!
05:20 pianohacker   hank_bank: What is the base path of your git install?
05:20 * pianohacker hopes he isn't too late
05:57 henry         revisting question about sudo a2ensite koha
05:58 henry         henry=hankbank btw
06:01 henry         the base path is something like /koha-dev/etc/?
06:01 chris         have you done the ln -s  to /etc/apache2/sites-available bit?
06:01 henry         yes
06:02 henry         I tried to change the path in there
06:02 chris         so what did you actually run?
06:02 chris         and if you do ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha
06:02 chris         what do you get
06:03 henry         I think it was /etc/koha-dev/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha
06:03 henry         thnaks chris
06:03 henry         I mean thanks
06:03 henry         I will check that tomorrow
06:04 chris         yeah you need to link the actual file its probably /home/something/koha-dev/etc/koha-httpd.conf
06:04 henry         I am on my home machnine, had to leave work,
06:04 henry         yes exactly
06:04 chris         and if its saying not found, im picking the link isnt right
06:04 henry         it had my home/username in the path
06:05 henry         so whne I get the link right then a2ensite should find the site koha?
06:06 chris         yep
06:06 henry         cool
06:06 chris         all that command does is ln -s from sites-available to sites-enabled anyway
06:06 henry         I will figure it out
06:06 henry         a symbolic link?
06:08 henry         thanks
06:24 pianohacker   Good night
06:47 Ropuch        Morning #koha
07:30 zico          hi
12:41 |Lupin|       hi there !
12:42 jdavidb       Hello, |Lupin|! :)
12:43 |Lupin|       hi jdavidb :)
12:48 jwagner       Good morning all
12:52 |Lupin|       hey jane
12:56 nengard       anyone know what I do to request that a patch I sent is ignored?
12:56 hdl           hi jwagner
12:57 |Lupin|       nengard: I'd just reply to the e-mail and aski to ignore the patch...
12:57 jwagner       Bonjour hdl
12:57 nengard       thanks Lupin - will do
13:09 nengard       okay - getting annoyed with templates!!  can someone tell me why lines 11-13 work but lines 50-52 do not?  http://koha.pastebin.com/m51de768
13:12 hdl           nengard: mixed TMPL_IF ?
13:12 hdl           is that you who introduced EXPR in template ?
13:13 nengard       no
13:13 nengard       all i added were the 6 lines I pointed out
13:13 hdl           ok.
13:13 nengard       but what does mixed TMPL_IF mean? the fact that I have an IF inside another IF?
13:14 chris_n       g'morning
13:17 chris_n       nengard: it looks like you're missing a closing <!-- /TMPL_IF --> for the line 1 TMPL_IF
13:18 Nate          morning everyone
13:18 chris_n       howdy Nate
13:19 Nate          its ca ca ca cold out
13:19 chris_n       @wunder 28334
13:19 munin         chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.6�C (7:44 AM EST on November 24, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady).
13:19 chris_n       its wet and nasty here :-(
13:20 Nate          send me to the tropics!
13:20 jdavidb       Here too, chris_n.
13:20 chris_n       nengard: it looks like the TMPL_IF should be closed after the <!-- /TMPL_LOOP --> tag
13:20 chris_n       unless there is more to the template than is posted
13:26 |Lupin|       see you later all, bye
13:28 chris_n       nengard: looking at review.tmpl, it looks like that TMPL_IF tag is closed after line 57, so that would not be it
13:28 nengard       chris_n on skype with hdl and he's helping me
13:28 chris_n       k
13:31 nengard       okay  - time for a git question - how do I revert back to a version that is unedited by me :)
13:32 hdl           git reset --hard HEAD
13:36 nengard       hdl that pushed it back to my last patch - which was wrong :) how do I get it to ignore my patches and just show me HEAD
13:49 owen          Ahoj, #koha
13:50 jwagner       nengard, if you're on a branch and want to get the file back to head, I think you can do git checkout filename, can't you?
13:50 nengard       jwagner - i don't know - never did it :) will try now
13:50 owen          You can if the change is uncommitted
13:55 nengard       I commited the change
13:55 nengard       it wasn't pushed though ...
13:55 nengard       so how do i revert back before my stupid commit?
13:57 owen          http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-reset.html
13:57 nengard       thanks owen
13:57 owen          But as far as I know that resets the branch to HEAD rather than, for instance, just one file
13:57 owen          I'm not sure about doing it on a per-file basis
13:59 nengard       owen - read through that and that's what hdl suggested I do - but for some reason the changes are still there ... hmmm - off to restart the server
14:09 * jdavidb     pings.
14:10 jdavidb       Anyone else having trouble getting to git.koha.org?
14:11 chris_n       it times out from here
14:11 jdavidb       ah-hah.  Us too.
14:18 hdl           jdavidb: here too
14:19 jdavidb       Okay.  This explains much.  We rebooted our development servers yesterday, and thought something got hosed up there.  Guess not.
14:20 * chris_n     sends an email to cfouts asking him to check on the problem
14:22 hdl           thanks chris_n
15:06 schuster      Morning!
15:06 schuster      Is there an easy way to see what resources are hogging CPU time?
15:07 jdavidb       "top"
15:11 nengard       on the patron import tool it has a matching rule at the end that refers to 'Extended Attributes'
15:11 nengard       what are they? the same as patron attributes?
15:12 nengard       and why is it asking about replacing them?
15:16 schuster      Yes - I use Extended attributes for homerooms - and we load them regularly - but we don't always want to completely replace them unless there is an update to a particular attribute
15:29 schuster      karma chris ++
15:52 nengard       schuster - I need more explanation - how do I document that - and if we're talking about patron attributes - why are they called extended attributes?
16:07 reiko         hi
16:13 reiko         does anyone know where date aquired field is in the database?
16:26 owen          reiko: Maybe you're looking for items.dateaccessioned? That's the date an item was added to the database
16:34 schuster      They are patron attributes and I don' t know why they are extended attributes.
16:35 schuster      nengard - does that help?
16:35 nengard       schuster - it helps in that I'll report a bug about the wording :)
16:35 Ata           hi all
16:36 Ata           hi nicol
16:36 nengard       hi
16:36 Ata           I'm here just to ask a question
16:37 Ata           Is there any schedule for release of koha 3.2?
16:37 Ata           actually i m intrested in its acquisition module
16:37 Ata           can someone update me?
16:40 wizzyrea_     at the last meeting we were 4 weeks from RC1?
16:40 wizzyrea_     something like that?
16:40 wizzyrea_     last meeting was early november, so a RC should be soon
16:40 wizzyrea_     gmcharlt could answer that
16:48 wizzyrea_     jdavidb: It must be done.
16:48 jwagner       schuster, your message about an IRC KUDOS meeting -- isn't the regular monthly IRC meeting also on December 2?
16:48 wizzyrea_     3 dec, according to the chat topic
16:49 jwagner       That's the foundation meeting.  First Wednesday of the month has been the schedule for the regular devel mtg.  gmcharlt?
16:51 wizzyrea_     ah, reading fail, sorry
16:52 * wizzyrea_   has turnkeylinux.org on the brain and can't think straight
16:52 wizzyrea_     ok, I officially loathe AutoGraphics
16:52 * jwagner     read that as turkeylinux -- can't read straight!
16:52 owen          jwagner: Me too!
16:53 wizzyrea_     their tech department 1. calls me Lisa, 2. keeps asking for information I have already sent 3. are rude about it.
16:53 owen          And I'm all, I'm not going to download your holiday-specific distro!
16:53 wizzyrea_     LOL
16:53 wizzyrea_     I love you guys
16:53 wizzyrea_     (but seriously, www.turnkeylinux.org
16:53 wizzyrea_     )
16:54 jdavidb       woot!  I finally got an OMG DOO EET from wizzyrea_ !
16:54 wizzyrea_     ...that could be read in so many ways, most of which are dirty, and none of which applicable ^.^
16:55 wizzyrea_     er, none of the dirty ways
16:55 wizzyrea_     only the "you should do that like, so right now" way.
16:55 jdavidb       I figured as much.
16:55 wizzyrea_     :D
16:56 wizzyrea_     that was my best valley girl impression. were you impressed?
16:56 jdavidb       Very!
16:59 jdavidb       Someone requested an Evergreen one on their forums--got turned down.  But someone else said, "I'm working on *foo*...how do I share it with y'all?" and they said, "Great!  Do <xyz> and we'll take a look!"
16:59 jdavidb       So maaaaaybe..
17:00 wizzyrea_     yea, I'm guessing that if someone did the work for them (or much of it) they'd include just about anything
17:00 wizzyrea_     I'm sure they don't want to go learning every webapp just to make VM's
17:00 wizzyrea_     I downloaded the file server one, and it is HAWT.
17:00 wizzyrea_     so easy to use
17:01 owen          A HAWT file server! :)
17:01 jdavidb       I'll yank in their "core" iso, and see what I can do with it, maybe over the holiday.  Wanna make it so all they gotta do to upgrade is "git pull" and run updatedatabase.pl
17:02 wizzyrea_     yea, that would be so cool. it would also be cool if someone wrote a koha webmin module
17:03 pianohacker   Good morning
17:03 owen          Hi pianohacker
17:04 pianohacker   Hi owen
17:04 pianohacker   How's it going?
17:04 owen          Fine. I've been in PHP mode lately rather than Koha mode.
17:04 wizzyrea_     mornin PH
17:05 pianohacker   owen: I'm sorry
17:06 owen          You can be sorry I'm not in Koha mode, but I don't need your PHP sympathy ;)
17:07 pianohacker   Don't tell me you enjoy it
17:07 owen          I enjoy it because I know it and I can make it do stuff
17:08 * owen        can't say the same about Perl
17:09 owen          In order to convince me otherwise you'll have to pony up the $2500 for the 5-day Perl workshop nengard and I are wishing we could afford :)
17:11 Colin         owen: We can do you a free one day one if you come to London
17:11 owen          An appealing offer!
17:12 chris         i can probably swing one after the conference
17:12 chris         a decent number of the CPAN modules koha uses were written by catalyst staff, and we host the wellington perl mongers group
17:14 nengard       Colin - that might cost $2000 in expenses just to get to London :)
17:14 chris         im sure i can rope some in to talk :)
17:15 nengard       pianohacker - what's wrong with PHP? That's the language I know too
17:15 pianohacker   It's not very elegant. You can get stuff done in it, though
17:17 chris         right, october it is, everyone start saving now :)
17:17 jwagner       pianohacker, er, news for you -- Perl ain't very elegant either :-)
17:17 * chris       bans language wars from #koha
17:17 pianohacker   jwagner: Well, there's definitely degrees
17:18 sekjal        PHP is a perfectly fine language.  That said, I'm more interested in working on my Perl (since that's what Koha is written in)
17:18 * pianohacker is trying not to provoke one, happily goes along with ban
17:18 nengard       pianohacker - I got TONS of stuff done with it - all of Jenkins Law Library is running on apps I wrote in PHP
17:18 pianohacker   we are having a _spirited discussion_, not a war!
17:18 chris         :)
17:18 jwagner       chris, could be worse -- we could start a religious war over PC vs Mac vs Linux!
17:18 nengard       agree - just wonder why people like one language over another
17:18 nengard       I don't know Perl - so I prefer PHP :) hehe
17:19 nengard       but I do want to learn Perl cause I want to do more with Koha
17:19 * owen        already ported his library's intranet apps from ColdFusion to PHP years ago, might as well port them to Perl when I'm able!
17:19 nengard       hehe
17:20 * jdavidb     suggests for 3.4, that we convert Koha to COBOL, with Fortran used for the fine-totals-calculations.
17:20 pianohacker   Watch out, soon you'll be writing them in LISP
17:20 jwagner       or ADA?
17:20 nengard       hey - off topic - tv question - what's the big diff between a 720p and a 1080p TV - like is it a big enough diff I'd see it? is it worth $1000 more?
17:21 * nengard     throws a tomato at jdavidb
17:21 pianohacker   would depend on the size, and what content you've got going to it
17:21 owen          nengard: Look for a TV written in Perl. They're more elegant.
17:21 nengard       pianohacker - just watching TV and I don't want more than 42"
17:21 pianohacker   Now wait a minute
17:21 sekjal        nengard: not worth it in my opinion; i'm running Blu-ray on 720p and I'm perfectly happy with the quality
17:21 jwagner       nengard, the WashPost's tech guy consistently says 720p is fine unless you're going for BluRay or other REALLY hidef stuff.  For normal broadcasts you'll never notice the difference.
17:22 nengard       awesome - thanks all - then I might brave the Black Friday sales for my first hi def tv
17:22 pianohacker   Man, good luck
17:23 owen          nengard: I hope you don't have a large library VHS tapes, you'll be shocked at how terrible they look on your new TV
17:23 nengard       donated all VHS tapes to library before moving the last time
17:23 * owen        's kids still have some favorite stuff on VHS
17:23 nengard       DVDs only
17:23 * jdavidb     debated going to Best Buy for one of the $199 HP laptops.  Then noticed that they'll be giving out tickets at 3 AM.  I can't *get* there at 3 AM, period.  Prior to 6:30 is unlikely.
17:23 nengard       no blue ray either - not really sure it's worth the extra $$
17:24 * owen        would be justified in torrenting the titles he has on VHS, right, because he owns them, right?
17:24 nengard       jdavidb - HOLY CRAP - I missed that one
17:24 chris         jwagner: there is no argument there .. only one is free the rest are proprietary madness ... case closed :)
17:25 jwagner       Harrumph.
17:25 jdavidb       It's not very macho.  Be good for someone who just needs something for when they travel, but it's *not* a power-user's box.
17:25 * jdavidb     is happy with his Eee for travel.
17:26 gmcharlt      jwagner: yes, first Wednesday of each month is the regular meeting
17:26 jdavidb       The $199 HP is running Win7, too.  Ick.
17:27 chris         i wonder if you can get it for $-30 if they take the windows tax off
17:27 pianohacker   Hi, gmcharlt
17:27 owen          I have on my calendar that Dec. 3 is the next foundation meeting.
17:28 jwagner       so schuster, you might want to reschedule the KUDOS meeting
17:28 chris         yup thats right
17:28 owen          Well, to be fair: the Dec. 2 meeting is early in the morning for US folks.
17:28 owen          schuster's meeting wouldn't conflict
17:29 owen          (unless we had all fallen asleep by then)
17:29 jwagner       But 3 IRC meetings in 2 days?  The flesh is weak....
17:30 owen          It's okay jwagner, only 2 IRC meetings. And one java-something meeting ;)
17:31 jwagner       A distinction without a difference...
17:31 chris         i dont think ive had 3 days without an irc meeting
17:32 chris         :)
17:42 jwagner       Well, chris, if the rest of the world chooses to live so far away from you....
17:42 owen          To our detriment I'm sure
17:43 pianohacker   Harder to pester you to apply patches when you become the rm if we can't threaten an in-person visit
17:43 jwagner       pianohacker, maybe we need to set up a travel fund so people can go pester chris in person when needed!
17:43 pianohacker   Hahahaha
17:44 pianohacker   Best travel scholarship I've heard of
17:44 jwagner       I'll volunteer to be the point person for making the trips :-)
17:45 * jwagner     thinks low blood sugar is contributing to silliness factor. Maybe I'd better go get some lunch....
17:58 wizzyrea_     hmm. there's a tweetup today in lawrence... should I go?
17:59 wizzyrea_     nah.
17:59 owen          A tweetup is what, a bunch of random Twitterers getting together to talk about how they all tweet?
18:02 Colin         You mean you have to count up to 140 while talking?
18:03 * jdavidb     laughs.
18:08 wizzyrea_     hee
18:16 nengard       another doc question - on march export tool -- '#  Remove non-local items   '  means items not at the library you're exporting for?
18:19 pianohacker   nengard: Yes, it deletes items that don't have the same branch as the user's home or selected branch
18:19 pianohacker   items that don't have the same *home* branch
18:19 nengard       wait-  if i"m logged in as being at MAIN and then I do the export with all libraries turned on - will it remove items from all but the MAIN branch?
18:20 nengard       and if I'm at MAIN and I choose CENTER as the branch to export for  - will it export MAIN and CENTER - or just CENTER?
18:22 pianohacker   nengard: will remove all but MAIN for the first, and all but CENTER for the second
18:22 nengard       good to know - will add that TIP :) thanks!!
18:24 nengard       one more - 'Accession date' means the date acquired right?
18:24 pianohacker   Should, yes
18:24 pianohacker   items.dateaccessioned
18:24 nengard       ah
18:24 nengard       thanks
18:28 schuster      Thanks owen for verifying what I thought about the IRC chat being like at 5 AM? Central time on Dec 2nd?
18:29 schuster      We had discussed doing the chat for KUDOS not on IRC but more as a CHAT where we could just send out the link and people don't have to figure out how to get on it ..  Library types rather than techie.
18:29 schuster      sorry jwagner
18:29 schuster      Chris...  That branch:901 seems to work!
18:29 schuster      impacts results display time but will be playing with it.
18:31 * jwagner     has been listening to car alarm going off in the parking lot. Anyone got a sledgehammer?
18:32 schuster      suspect jdavidb - peeking over a cubie to see how long it takes to drive jwagner crazy...
18:32 jwagner       He Knows Better Than That (she said ominously)
18:33 jwagner       On the other hand, it DID just stop....
18:34 pianohacker   o_o
18:34 * pianohacker bows
18:34 pianohacker   jwagner: please don't hurt me
18:35 jwagner       Now why would I hurt YOU?
18:35 jwagner       Other people, maybe....
18:35 jdavidb       because he did it!   Weren't me!
18:35 * jdavidb     points at pianohacker with one hand, and schuster with the other.
18:36 jwagner       Spreading the blame around, I see :-)
18:36 jdavidb       There's plenty.
18:36 jdavidb       Besides, schuster is used to me blaming him.  Last December-ish, during his go-live, I blamed him for a lot of my sorrows.
18:37 jwagner       Isn't there an old hymn called Man of Sorrows?
18:38 jwagner       (Clearly lunch has done nothing to reduce my silliness factor....)
18:38 jdavidb       I think so, yes.
18:38 * jdavidb     is silly most of the time.  It's not fatal.  Most of the time.
18:44 chris         schuster: excellent :)
18:44 brendan       morning all
18:47 chris         ok, bus time, will be back in 40  mins or so
18:47 chris         time to read some terry pratchett on the bus
18:47 * chris       wanders off
19:08 nengard       afternoon brendan
19:08 brendan       :)
19:20 Ropuch        Hi nengard, brendan
19:20 brendan       howdy Ropuch
19:21 pianohacker   Hi Ropuch, brendan
19:34 |Lupin|       hi all
19:35 pianohacker   Hi |Lupin|
19:35 |Lupin|       hey Jesse :)
19:35 |Lupin|       We went live today... :)
19:36 pianohacker   Hey, congratulations
19:36 owen          Congratulations |Lupin|!
19:36 sekjal        congratulations, |Lupin|!
19:36 brendan       congrats |Lupin|
19:36 |Lupin|       thanks :)
19:37 |Lupin|       in case you guys wnna have a look
19:37 |Lupin|       http://www.serveur-helene.org
19:37 |Lupin|       any comment welcome cause I have no idea how the site looks, visually :)
19:38 richard       hi
19:39 |Lupin|       So far the only problem reported is that AddReturn fails for some users
19:40 |Lupin|       Is it possible that it fails because user's branch is different from item's homebranch ?
19:40 |Lupin|       hi richard
19:40 pianohacker   |Lupin|: shouldn't hurt anything
19:40 mdhafen       I think IndependantBranches has to be on for AddReturn to limit return branch.
19:41 mdhafen       And it should give a warning
19:41 chris_n       |Lupin|: congratulations
19:41 jwagner       |Lupin| the OPAC looks good, congratulations.  Did you do customization on the advanced search screen and the record display?
19:42 mdhafen       Some of my librarians have reported AddReturn not working all the time, but that might be because they aren't waiting for the page load.  Haven't looked into it yet.
19:42 mdhafen       Record Display is ISBD by default.
19:43 jwagner       And for chris or any other translators, I can see a phrase that needs it, maybe more than one. The headers in the facets list (left side of results list) are all English, as is the entry at the top -- Limit to currently available items.  Shouldn't these have translations somewhere?
19:43 mdhafen       seems item types don't have icons either
19:43 chris         back
19:44 jwagner       mdhafen, didn't notice the ISBD display, thanks.  There are still some interesting features on advanced search.
19:44 chris         |Lupin|: i sent a patch for that bug with permissions on the opac
19:45 hdl           congrats |Lupin
19:45 jwagner       Actually, |Lupin|, do you have it set to French?  I'm seeing English all over the place (advanced search, cart, etc.).
19:46 cait          hi #koha
19:46 chris         |Lupin|: it looks good to me, but yes it is in english (probably my browser settings kicking in)
19:46 jwagner       Hi cait
19:48 chris         |Lupin|: very cool, well done
19:48 |Lupin|       hmm
19:48 |Lupin|       soorry all
19:48 |Lupin|       waas on phone
19:48 |Lupin|       chris: yep, wanted to thank you a lot for the patch! it's applied on the helene branch used for the live sstem
19:48 chris         excellent
19:49 chris         collaboration is what makes koha great!
19:49 cait          hi jwagner, Lupin, chris
19:49 |Lupin|       jwagner: it should be all in french... I don't know why there are english things, I used the latest .po file
19:49 |Lupin|       guten Abend cait
19:49 chris         |Lupin|: koha will offer you the templates in whatever language your browser says it wants
19:49 cait          lupin: is your opac online?
19:49 chris         so since the en templates are there, its giving us those
19:50 |Lupin|       btw: the git repo is available... git://serveur-helene.org/src/koha should work just fine. The repo is ran from sources, helene branch.
19:50 chris         cool
19:50 |Lupin|       cait: yep. www.serveur-helene.org
19:50 |Lupin|       chris: ah I see... It's true I didn't see that much english...
19:50 chris         |Lupin|: you may want to check the settings in syspref tho
19:51 |Lupin|       chris: which ones ?
19:51 chris         the localisation ones
19:51 chris         just to make sure french is set as the default for the opac
19:51 |Lupin|       chris: k... in order to set default language to french, you mean ?
19:51 jwagner       chris, thanks for the tip -- I told my browser to display in French, and everything is now showing up as French.  Never Mind.
19:52 |Lupin|       jwagner: cool !
19:52 cait          lupin: cool!
19:52 |Lupin|       chris: not sure I really want french as the default, frankly... Letting the browser tell what it wants looks fine to me... no ?
19:52 chris         yep, i think so too
19:52 |Lupin|       actually, this is not very customised...
19:53 |Lupin|       jwagner: to answer your question: it's the ISBD view but it has been rewritten a lot...
19:53 |Lupin|       one think my organisation is asking
19:53 jwagner       But I would really like whatever you did on the advanced search page, for the serials searching.  Have you submitted that?
19:53 |Lupin|       is that the Koha logo is replaced by something else that identifies the organisaiton more
19:53 |Lupin|       do other libraries also show their own logo ?
19:54 mdhafen       There should be a sys.pref. just for replacing the logo.
19:54 |Lupin|       jwagner: hmm ! I really think I didn't do anything at all !!
19:54 cait          mdhafen: isnt there one? opacsmallimage or something?
19:55 mdhafen       that's what I was thinking.
19:55 |Lupin|       mdhafen: is your "should" a wishlist, or are you saying there already is one ? In that case I didn't find it... looked for variables like '%logo%' in systempreferences, couldn't find anything
19:55 jwagner       Yes, if you load an image file about 120 x 40 pixels somewhere web accessible, then put that address in the opacsmallimage syspref, it should show up.
19:56 cait          mdhafen: sorry, misunderstanding :(
19:56 |Lupin|       ah I didn't look for image... cool !
19:56 mdhafen       no problem.  I wasn't clear.
19:57 |Lupin|       cait: anyway many thanks for the pref, you are great
19:57 |Lupin|       jwagner: you mentionned icons for item types... did you mean these "Domiaine public" and "livres sous droits" ?
19:58 jwagner       actually, I think it was mdhafen that mentioned those -- I don't like item type icons myself :-)  In item type setup, you can assign images to each item type, like a little book or DVD.
19:59 jwagner       To me, they just clutter up the screen without adding any great value.  But I'm a text person.
19:59 |Lupin|       chris (or someone else): in the code for downloading a book AddReturn is called immediately after AddIssue. It's just to record the fact that the book has been downloaded, in order to do some statistics later. Can it be a reason for AddReturn to fail ?
20:00 mdhafen       yeah, I mentioned the Item Type images.  Like jwagner says, some people don't like them.  I just noticed because I'm used to seeing them, so it was something different for me.
20:00 |Lupin|       jwagner: I think you know so am I, too ! :-)
20:00 |Lupin|       jwagner: anyway our readers will be visually impaired persons, so adding icons makes even less sense...
20:02 |Lupin|       mdhafen: I see. Well we only have two item types at the moment: publi domain books and copyrighted books, seems rather difficult to represent those by icons to me anyway
20:03 mdhafen       hmm, maybe I'm mistaking location for Item type then.
20:04 |Lupin|       mdhafen: can you give an example of what you call locaiton on our OPAC, please ? Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing...
20:04 mdhafen       sure.  On the advanced search page in the 'limit to any of the following' section, doc, docx, html, odt, pdf, rtf, txt, xml.  That's what I'm seeing
20:05 |Lupin|       mdhafen: these are collecton codes actually
20:06 mdhafen       ah.  Figured it must be something like that.  cool.
20:06 |Lupin|       mdhafen: collection codes == file formats
20:06 mdhafen       i see.  I didn't know that.
20:06 |Lupin|       mdhafen: perhaps not that obvious... :-)
20:06 chris         |Lupin|: I can't see why that would make it fail
20:06 |Lupin|       so, no clue for this AddReturn problem ?
20:06 |Lupin|       (no warnings in the logs)
20:06 mdhafen       lupin:  rather I'm not a librarian, so it wasn't obvious to me ;)
20:07 mdhafen       I'm just a programmer :)
20:08 |Lupin|       mdhafen: neither am I so it was not obvious at all how o model our things...
20:08 chris         |Lupin|: is it just silently not returning items?
20:08 |Lupin|       mdhafen: as chris said, we had (have) to bend Koha a little bit to suit our needs, but since Koha is flexible it was cactually possible to bend it
20:09 |Lupin|       chris: it doesn't return items and the first argument of the returned list is 0
20:09 |Lupin|       chris: that is, the returnok thing says the retrn failed, and my script sees that and prints an error message.
20:09 mdhafen       lupin:  certainly.  There are many places for bending... perhaps this contributed to my confusion ;)
20:10 |Lupin|       chris: and indeed there are some issues in the issues table, which are precisely those that are not returned, if I understand things correctly
20:10 chris         yep
20:10 chris         without poking round a bit, i don't have many suggestings im afraid
20:10 |Lupin|       chris: once an issue has been returned it is moved to oldissues, right ?
20:11 chris         yes
20:11 chris         and it should ahve its returndate set
20:11 |Lupin|       chris: np... will try to debug that... just wanted to check nobody knows before diving
20:11 |Lupin|       chris: well the issues are not moved...
20:11 * chris_n     spends the morning debugging a rounding problem :-P
20:12 |Lupin|       chris: how pleasant this must be... :/
20:13 |Lupin|       chris_n: hi, and thanks a lot for having submitted Bug 3800 :) thanks to you and chris it's fixed now. Amazing what two chriss can achieve...
20:13 munin         04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3800 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, In OPAC  when a logged in user tries to reach a page for which he/she does not have permission, the message saying "Koha doesn't think you have permission" is not displayed.
20:14 chris_n       |Lupin|: always glad to help
20:14 chris         im glad we have lots of mirrors of git.koha.org now
20:14 chris         git once again shows how much better distributed version control is
20:15 chris         i remember when sourceforge used to go down
20:15 mdhafen       I noticed git.koha.org wasn't responding.  I'm curious what happened to it?
20:15 chris         now when git.koha.org disappears its an annoyance not a show stoppper
20:15 chris         mdhafen: not sure, it happened last month too
20:16 |Lupin|       yeah it's cool to have git
20:16 mdhafen       I know my mirror is at least 1 commit behind, but it was a .po update, so I wasn't eager to apply it yesterday.
20:16 mdhafen       yes, git is very cool
20:16 |Lupin|       btw
20:16 |Lupin|       is there some kind of freeze on master ?
20:17 chris         feature freeze
20:17 |Lupin|       I didn't see any commit for a month and a half or so...
20:17 chris         galen is super busy, but is going to be doing merges and applying patches (bug fix patches) shortly
20:17 |Lupin|       chris: rightt, but not even bugfixes have been pushed to the pub repo I think
20:17 mdhafen       I'll be glad to see patches on master again :)
20:18 |Lupin|       mdhafen: me too
20:18 |Lupin|       one thing I noticed when our librarian started to add members
20:19 |Lupin|       is that the user category which is selecte by default seems to be the first one in alphabetical order
20:19 chris         yup, im sure galen is well aware of it too, maybe the gates foundation can give us 1million and we can pay fulltime release managers :-)
20:19 |Lupin|       which is not very suitable for us because it's the ADMIN category, almost nobody is in that category...
20:20 |Lupin|       would be nice to be able to specify a default category or even to assign ranks to them to define in which order they should appear in the list
20:21 pianohacker   But then they wouldn't be alphabetic, and some librarian would look at it and have a _stroke_
20:21 * jdavidb     thinks pianohacker has librarians figured out.
20:23 |Lupin|       pianohacker: well one could they sort first by rank, second alphabetically, so one would just have to give rank 1 to all the categories to have the current behaviour. rank could be 1 by default anyway...
20:24 jwagner       I had to pull a trick with item creation on one site -- wish it could be done for patrons.
20:24 cait          lupin: are they sorted by code or by description? for description you could just add something like a blank to your "default"
20:24 pianohacker   I think it would probably best just to give a default category
20:24 mdhafen       yeah, we could have another sys.pref. for that ;)
20:24 jwagner       Because the blasted 942c insists on being used for item type in several places, and no one ever fills it in, I set it to default to Book rather than the first thing in line (which was a non-circulating item type).  That way at least the item will show up.
20:25 |Lupin|       http://pastebin.com/f31d0ca2f
20:25 jwagner       I'd _really_ like to get rid of biblioitems.itemtype....
20:25 pianohacker   jwagner: even with item-level_itypes on?
20:25 jwagner       Yep.
20:25 |Lupin|       anybody seems something weird in this issue table ?
20:25 pianohacker   jwagner: There was a proposed db update to completely excise biblioitems.itemtype, not sure what happened to it
20:26 wizzyrea_     |Lupin| I contend that anywhere it is logical to do so, the logged in branch should always be the branch selected. I'm for contextual defaults.
20:26 wizzyrea_     and alphabetized after that :P
20:26 * jdavidb     gets out his excising machete...er...knife.
20:26 pianohacker   |Lupin|: only thing that I notice is that issuingbranch is not set
20:26 jwagner       pianohacker, I'd vote yes on that as many times as they'd let me!
20:26 wizzyrea_     200, to be exact
20:27 jwagner       (Does Koha community allow for vote rigging?  Register all the people in the cemeteries, quick!)
20:27 |Lupin|       wizzyrea_: I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you mean..
20:27 wizzyrea_     |Lupin| I mean, in response to your ranking of list items suggestion
20:27 wizzyrea_     sorry that was ages ago :P
20:29 |Lupin|       wizzyrea_: I wonder whehter there isn't a misunderstanding... Do we gree that the suggestion was to use ranks just for user categories and not for other lists ?
20:29 |Lupin|       wizzyrea_: no it as not so long ago and I realized it was related, but still I didn't understand;.. I'm sorry... most certainly due to my limited skills in english
20:29 wizzyrea_     |Lupin| I think those should be contextual: i.e. the user categories of the logged in branch should always be on top, then alphabetical after that
20:30 wizzyrea_     |Lupin| I have a fairly strong consortial workflow bias. :P
20:30 |Lupin|       wizzyrea_: oh I didn't rrealise each branch can have different categories !!
20:30 wizzyrea_     |Lupin| well, ours do :)
20:31 wizzyrea_     (if we are talking about the same categories)
20:31 |Lupin|       wizzyrea_: is that lined with independent branches being set ?
20:31 wizzyrea_     |Lupin| no, we have indy branches off
20:31 wizzyrea_     |Lupin
20:31 |Lupin|       wizzyrea_: borrowers.categorycode <-- I'm talking about these
20:31 wizzyrea_     | we are one giant happy db sharing consortium
20:32 |Lupin|       wizzyrea_: ok
20:32 wizzyrea_     |Lupin| Yep  we are talking about the same thing
20:32 |Lupin|       wizzyrea_: ok
20:32 jwagner       wizzyrea, how are you linking category codes to branches?  I don't see any field in the setup for that.  Is it just defining them with the branch name so people can see it?
20:33 wizzyrea_     jwagner: yep, example ATCHISON has ATCH-DIST
20:33 |Lupin|       pianohacker: does it matter what the value of issuingbranch is ? I can certainly define it to be the homebranch of the item or something like that, it doesn't matter too much which branch it is...
20:34 pianohacker   |Lupin|: It might be related to your returns problem, hard to say
20:34 * pianohacker knows as little about branch transfer logic as possible
20:34 |Lupin|       jwagner: thanks for having asked the quesiton, I was about to inspect the tables :)
20:35 |Lupin|       wizzyrea_: anyway, if the categoies are not linked to branches in the db, then I don't see how your ordering could be implemented... it would require to add a branch field in the table where categories are defined...
20:35 jwagner       wizzyrea, I was about to get code-envy, thanks for clarifying.  For true consortial work, it would be nice to specify branch for item types, collection codes, patron categories, etc. etc.......
20:35 wizzyrea_     |Lupin| true, it would be quite a change
20:36 mdhafen       or specify branch group
20:36 |Lupin|       boooooh... so many things to code...
20:36 wizzyrea_     jwagner: it *would* be nice to be able to specify, but I think we like the simplicity that molding our libraries into set itypes/ccodes allows
20:36 wizzyrea_     (and boy howdy, do we mold them... heh)
20:37 wizzyrea_     |Lupin| I'm glad you said that, it helps me to understand the complexity of the problem.
20:37 * wizzyrea_   puts that on her list of things to suggest as enhancement...
20:38 |Lupin|       wizzyrea_: I'm also glad to know your wish... never thought about per-branches categories... opens interesting tracks !
20:41 chris         anyone know when git.koha.org first went down?
20:41 wizzyrea_     ew, it's down?
20:42 jdavidb       We first noticed it here this morning.
20:42 brendan       no idea here -- just trying to get to it about 45 minutes ago
20:42 chris         so how long since you noticed it jdavidb?
20:42 jdavidb       7 hours, more or less.
20:43 wizzyrea_     nice!
20:43 jwagner       I tried to do a git pull about 7:45 AM US Eastern time, with no luck.
20:43 jwagner       Thought it was our server at first.
20:43 chris         whats the time there now?
20:43 jwagner       3:45 PM Eastern
20:43 |Lupin|       pianohacker: well... if it's an issuing branch problem, then I would expect AddIssue rather than AddReturn to complain and fail
20:44 * |Lupin|     has to confess talking so much is just a way of procrastinating...
20:44 jwagner       git pull did work yesterday morning -- I was working on something then & did one.
20:45 chris         ta
20:45 hdl           chris : it noticed that around 11AM UTC+1
20:45 chris         thanks hdl
20:51 hdl           chris_n: is that you who revamped labels work ? I have some questions about PDF::Reuse and its "handiness"
20:51 hdl           chris_n: I am working on a feature for 3.2 which would add the ability to upload file for Notices.
20:51 wizzyrea_     hdl: really!!!!
20:52 hdl           But I ponder whether HTML file or PDF file should be better handled.
20:53 hdl           PDF File seems to be a pain in the neck to edit
20:53 hdl           But HTML File would add yet another one dependancy.
20:54 pianohacker   hdl: wouldn't html be easier for email notices?
20:58 hdl           pianohacker: i lean to that
20:58 chris         yeah
20:59 chris         html gets my vote
20:59 hdl           But then i have to find a way to translate HTML to PDF for printing
20:59 pianohacker   hdl: Can't you just use print css, page-break-after and the like, and just print from the html?
21:00 hdl           it would be process_message_queue which would print the file
21:00 hdl           (for those who donot have any email)
21:01 hdl           + HTML syntax could be adapted to be TT Like
21:01 jwagner       hdl, I've got to head out, but we've done several print notice development features -- haven't submitted them yet.  Basically they run an HTML formatted notice to a file in a directory that's web accessible so staff can pull up the file & print them.
21:01 jwagner       See Bug 3482
21:01 munin         04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses
21:02 jwagner       I'll be unavailable tomorrow morning but email me or talk to jdavidb if you want more info.
21:02 jwagner       Gotta run, sorry.
21:03 pianohacker   I should also head out, no need to stay late now that school's caught up
21:03 pianohacker   Bye all!
21:08 chris         update from clay
21:09 chris         he's a good man
21:15 hdl           really
21:16 hdl           ok good night folks
21:16 chris         sleep well hdl
21:18 |Lupin|       chris: http://pastebin.com/f33545f02
21:18 |Lupin|       chris: I just dumped the $messages returned by AddReturn, that's the result
21:19 |Lupin|       chris: I think I didn't take some constraint on branches into account... ?
21:20 chris         ahhh sounds like yes its not liking you returning it at the wrong branch
21:21 |Lupin|       chris: in our system each item has a home branch and a holding branch... I used homebranch to represent the organisaiton which actually owns the file, i.e. which provided it. holdingbranch has the same value for every item...
21:22 chris         you might have a syspref set
21:22 chris         that says items must be returned to their homebranch
21:22 chris         and that might be causing this
21:22 |Lupin|       wht I don't quite understand is that the same script invoking just AddIssue with a barcode worked on the dev KOha and fails on the prod KOha, databases being roughly speaking the same...
21:23 chris         syspref different?
21:23 |Lupin|       chris: normally not
21:24 |Lupin|       chris: what I usually do is that I dump the db on the prod system and load it on the dev one
21:24 |Lupin|       chris: I'm just redoing the dump of the prod and reloding on the dev system to see what happens
21:27 |Lupin|       ah with a fresh dump it fails on the dev install, too...
21:28 |Lupin|       strange... don't think I've changed systempreferences recently...
21:30 chris         lemme find the syspref for ya
21:33 |Lupin|       chris: I think it's IndependantBranches
21:33 chris         do you have IndependantBranches set to on?
21:33 chris         yeah
21:33 |Lupin|       isn't it ?
21:33 chris         try turning that off
21:33 |Lupin|       chris: yes, and I don't know why to be honnest...
21:34 |Lupin|       (this does not explain why it previously worked on the dev install but perhaps I'm not gonna try to understand this...
21:34 |Lupin|       chris: is it okay to turn it off while being live ? not know strange side-effect ?
21:34 chris         it should be fine, try it on dev first tho
21:35 chris         ie turn it off and see if it fixes the problem on dev
21:35 |Lupin|       chris: yeah good idea, thanks :)
21:35 |Lupin|       chris: thogh the troubles may not appear immediately on the dev install .. the consequences may come to the surface only later in the future...
21:36 |Lupin|       chris: yep
21:36 chris         it was more testing it actually fixed the problem
21:36 chris         90% of koha users run with it turned off
21:36 chris         its really only for consortia
21:37 |Lupin|       chris: ok... I think we don't need it anyway.
21:37 wizzyrea_     and sometimes not even for them >.>
21:37 chris         yeah
21:41 cait          hm time to sleep, koha presentation tomorrow - good night #koha
21:41 brendan       night cait
21:41 brendan       yo wizzyrea
21:42 brendan       to wizzyrea_
21:42 wizzyrea_     sup
21:44 brendan       just waving hi :)
21:47 |Lupin|       chris: yep turning off IndependantBranches fixed the problem, thanks a lot
21:47 chris         np
21:47 wizzyrea_     oh hi brendan :)
21:48 schuster      chris - FYI the only tweak to the branches was to "(branch:001 or branch:901)" otherwise it would bring up ALL of 901 materials
21:49 chris         ahh right
21:49 chris         glad it worked
21:50 |Lupin|       chris: yeah big relief that this issue is solved... still much to do and it's my last week as an employee, so there is some pressure :)
21:51 chris         |Lupin|: when do you leave for india?
21:51 brendan       hope we don't lose you from koha |Lupin|
21:52 |Lupin|       chris: mid december...
21:52 |Lupin|       brendan: normally not... :) comunity is so nice that I'm attached !
21:52 |Lupin|       the buddhist library will use KOha to, and Drupal...
21:57 |Lupin|       bty did anybody already play with sopac ?
21:57 schuster      I thought Biblibre did...
21:59 chris         yes Biblibre has
21:59 |Lupin|       maybe... they have written some documentaiton at least, so certainly they played with it
21:59 chris         and has committed all their work
22:00 |Lupin|       chris: but when AddReturn is called, is the branch argument used to update the biblo or items table ?
22:00 chris         items, and the marcxml in biblioitems
22:00 |Lupin|       chris: where ? in KOha's repository ?
22:00 chris         id show you but i cant :)
22:00 |Lupin|       chris: it updates the homebranch, right ?
22:01 chris         holding
22:01 chris         home is only changed when cataloguing
22:01 brendan       http://demo.sopac.biblibre.com/
22:01 chris         holdingbranch = where it is now
22:01 chris         http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/biblibre-sopac
22:01 chris         there is a copy of their sopac branch, its on git.koha.org too i think, as well as git.biblibre.com
22:03 |Lupin|       chris: thank you
22:03 |Lupin|       this is certainly worth giving it a try...
22:04 |Lupin|       chris: I assume there is no easy way to not update the items table on return... too bad perhaps we'll end up not calling AddIssue / AddReturn at all but then we'll have o log downloads manually and do the statistics ourselves...
22:05 chris         you can of course pass it the branch you want it to update to
22:05 chris         if you always pass it the same branch, that will ahve the same effect as never updating it
22:07 |Lupin|       chris: except that it will modify the accessiondate and add some "noise" in the logs, no ?
22:07 chris         yep
22:07 chris         not accessiondate
22:07 |Lupin|       chris: but yes, what you are suggesting is what is currently implemented
22:07 chris         that never changes
22:07 chris         datelastseen does
22:07 |Lupin|       chris: ok. so just noise in the logs...
22:08 |Lupin|       chris: right
22:08 |Lupin|       btw, how is the due_dae calculated ?
22:09 chris         uses the rules you defined in admin
22:09 chris         i think defaults to 21 days if you didnt define any
22:11 |Lupin|       chris: right... well shouldn't be a problem since the boks are returned immediately after having been issued...
22:11 chris         *nod*
22:14 |Lupin|       chris: when rising problems I sometimes feel guilty for "bending" koha as you said last time :)
22:15 chris         :)
22:18 schuster      gobble gobble off to spend the holiday with family!  Have a great rest of the week folks.
22:25 bebbi         Hello!
22:25 imp           heyho
22:26 chris         hi bebbi
22:27 |Lupin|       guten Abend bebbi
22:28 bebbi         There ist only "Koha V2.2.9 Stable Release for Windows for downloading" and not V 3 - why?
22:28 bebbi         Guten Abend |Lupin|
22:28 chris         because until very recently there were some modules in use with 3 that couldnt be installed on windows
22:29 chris         also, for most of the developers (myself included) making it work on a proprietary operating system is low on the list of priorities
22:29 bebbi         Oh thats not good for me ;-)
22:30 |Lupin|       yeah very low...
22:30 chris         chris_n has been doing some work with windows i think he has gotten it to a point wheer it is installable, but still lots of hoops to jump through
22:31 |Lupin|       ~/src/koha$ grep Windows TODOLIST
22:31 |Lupin|       ~/src/koha$
22:31 imp           -i ? ;)
22:32 |Lupin|       ~/src/koha$ grep -i win TODOLIST
22:32 |Lupin|       ~/src/koha$
22:32 chris         chris_n: are you about?
22:32 |Lupin|       chris: btw: no idea what to reponsd re:braille embossing under Linux...
22:33 chris         |Lupin|: me either
22:33 |Lupin|       chris: braille printers are so different that it seems hardly doable to have them used transparently by Koha just as if they were traditional printers
22:33 bebbi         I ask, because it seemed to me, that the German translation is accessible since V 3...
22:34 chris         bebbi: where in germany are you? you just missed cait who is responsible for that german translation
22:34 * imp         guesses lower saxony
22:34 |Lupin|       yeah and seems definitely a great responsible
22:35 |Lupin|       imp: ran a whois on the IP ?
22:35 imp           nope
22:35 imp           23:23 -!- bebbi [~Miranda@i53875EB8.versanet.de] has joined #koha
22:35 imp           versatel is iirc telephone / internetprovider from bremen
22:35 |Lupin|       ok
22:35 bebbi         Bochum
22:36 |Lupin|       imp: are you using irssi ?
22:36 imp           |Lupin|: yes
22:36 bebbi         You ????�
22:36 bebbi         know
22:36 * imp         is from hannover
22:36 |Lupin|       irssi++
22:36 * chris       is from wellington, new zealand
22:36 |Lupin|       imp++
22:36 |Lupin|       good day NZ !
22:37 |Lupin|       here it's almost time for a sleep, so, goodnight all and till soon
22:37 chris         night |Lupin|
22:37 imp           chris: it's nearly time for lunch, right?
22:37 chris         yep, 20 mins or so
22:37 |Lupin|       thanks chris
22:38 |Lupin|       Auf wiedersehen Deutschland
22:38 imp           |Lupin|: you are from?
22:38 |Lupin|       imp: France
22:38 bebbi         If there are technical Problems for a new editon for windows ... i have a problem :-(
22:38 bebbi         Tsch�ss Frankreich
22:38 |Lupin|       bonne nuit !
22:38 bebbi         Adieu Missieu
22:39 chris         you cant run it on a linux server? (all the clients using it can run windows of course)
22:39 chris         it is just a website after all, so anything that can run a browser can access it
22:39 bebbi         I hav'nt a server ...
22:39 chris         ahh
22:39 chris         how big is the library?
22:39 chris         if it is small
22:40 chris         then you could run the vmware image
22:40 chris         http://contribs.koha.org/extensions.php?category=9
22:40 imp           can you run koha with xampp?
22:40 chris         imp: conceivably
22:40 chris         imp: im not sure anyone has
22:40 bebbi         Oh, its only for me ... i'm interessted in ILS and i have books and lotts of News-Paper articles  ...
22:41 chris         ahh then that vmware image is perfect
22:41 chris         you can get the free vmware player for windows
22:41 chris         and run koha as a virtual machine
22:41 bebbi         It seems to be complicated - or not ?
22:42 chris         i dont think its too bad, certainly far less complicated than getting 3 running on windows
22:43 chris         another option is the livecd
22:43 chris         that might be easier
22:43 chris         http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/
22:44 bebbi         Ok, than it's my next job to install vmware
22:44 chris         with the livecd you download the .iso write a cd, then you can boot from that and run koha
22:44 chris         which is a good way to test without installing anything
22:46 bebbi         But a live-Cd is bot so comfortable ...but good for testing - yes
22:47 chris         *nod*
22:48 bebbi         *nod* ????
22:48 chris         picture me nodding my head
22:48 chris         :)
22:51 bebbi         Ah,ok
22:52 bebbi         My keyboard-Layout switch to Hebrew evry minute currently ... :-(
22:52 brendan       chris any word from the debian guys - to package koha
22:52 chris         its not really up to them
22:53 chris         basically vincent danjean has done 90% of the work
22:53 chris         we just have to fix some stuff
22:53 chris         so it can be finished
22:53 brendan       thanks - just curious
22:53 chris         http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=debian_packaging_work
22:53 chris         written up here
22:53 chris         basically it just has to be done
22:54 bebbi         Thank you for the support ...
22:54 chris         and then we can let him know we have fixed the blockers
22:54 chris         and hopefully get it finished off
22:54 chris         bebbi: no problem, hope you get it up and working
22:55 chris         brendan: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=debian_packaging_work#blockers_questions_in_order_to_package_koha
22:55 brendan       reading through it now :)
22:55 chris         :)
22:56 bebbi         It seems to be difficult ... e.g. Because of I have to reed many english texts ... and my English is not realy good :-(
22:57 chris         if you try to come back here in about 10 hours time (ie during your day)
22:57 chris         you might be able to catch cait
22:57 chris         and she might be able to help
22:59 bebbi         I will try my best ... an in Germany we say "Du w�chst mit deinen Aufgaben" (You get better with your problems)
22:59 chris         in english we say
22:59 chris         "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"
23:00 bebbi         Ok
23:00 bebbi         Thats the same meassage :-)
23:00 chris         yep
23:02 imp           chris: 1:1 in german: "was dich nicht t�tet, macht dich st�rker"
23:41 Nate          until tomorrow #Koha!
23:44 russ          chris: i'll be freeish after next week to help start sorting conference stuff
23:45 russ          313/6 happy with that :-)