Time Nick Message 03:21 Amit hi chris, chris_n2 03:21 Amit good morning #koha 04:20 Mehwish Hi everyone.. 04:21 Mehwish Can any body help me in installing Koha 3.04?? 04:21 Mehwish I have got an error at the end of installation. 06:29 Ropuch Good morning 06:30 chris hi Ropuch 06:55 nicomo morning 06:55 Ropuch Hi chris, nicomo 06:55 nicomo hi Ropuch 06:56 chris hi nicomo 08:32 Zico hi 08:32 Zico i am using koha 3.0.4 .. everything seems ok 08:33 Zico but... when i click on "Patron Catagories" under System Administration... i got the Koha Error...which shows... "Undefined subroutine &main::_get_brief_messaging_prefs called at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/categorie.pl line 190." 08:33 Zico what does it means actually? 08:39 Zico is there anyone who can help me regarding this issue?? 08:39 Zico :( 08:53 chris looking into it now Zico 08:53 chris and i just replied to your email 08:57 paul_p (Zico, you won't be happy with the answer, but I confirm it) 08:57 chris it was a bug, HDL has fixed it 08:57 paul_p hello chris 08:57 chris it will be fixed in 3.0.5 08:57 chris (it is already fixed in git if you run from git if you update the 3.0.x branch you will get the fix) 08:58 chris hi paul_p, yes i was sad to have to write that email 08:58 chris i fear it is going to confuse more and more people 08:58 chris Zico: hdl fixed categorie.pl on the 3rd of november 09:47 Zico so................ 09:47 Zico how can i solve this one???? 09:50 hdl Zico: do you have a git install or standard install ? 09:58 Zico hdl, standard install 09:59 Zico i downloaded koha-3.0.4_fixed and installed it 10:00 Zico hdl: do you have that categorie.pl? 11:59 cait_laptop hi #koha 11:59 imp heyho cait 12:00 cait_laptop hallo imp 12:27 zico hdl: 12:32 nengard I'm baaaacckkk :) 12:32 cait_laptop hi nengard 12:32 Ropuch Hi nengard, cait_laptop [; 12:33 cait_laptop guten Tag Ropuch :) 12:33 Ropuch Guten Tag :) 12:33 zico hi 12:34 Ropuch (I've just been told that i should use Morgen until noon) ;> 12:40 cait_laptop Ropuch: dont know if there is really a rule for that 12:41 Ropuch I'll remeber ;> 12:41 Ropuch s/remeber/remember 13:07 chris_n g'morning 13:08 Ropuch Hi chris_n 13:10 jwagner good morning all. 14:06 owen chris++ # For his responses to "Koha 3.0.4 + something missing" message on the devel list 14:11 nengard i'm with owen on this :) chris++ 14:15 owen Welcome back nengard! 14:15 nengard thanks owen 14:15 nengard i'm very very very very happy to be back 14:15 owen :) 14:15 owen Too much traveling? 14:38 nengard oh yes - way too much travelling - i'm a homebody - I love being at home with my angels and my husband 14:38 nengard sorry - for the delay 14:38 nengard trying to do too many things at once 15:02 chris_n chris++ #for list response 15:06 nahuel hi :) 15:06 nahuel hi nengard :) 15:06 nengard hi nahuel 15:06 nahuel back to home ? 15:06 nengard yes!!! 15:06 nahuel after rome et novergia 15:07 nengard venice, rome and norway 15:07 nengard pics are online for all to see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/sets/72157622767284928/ 15:08 owen nengard: What was your favorite stop? 15:08 nengard Always Venice :) but Bergen was new to me and it was awesome too 15:08 nengard could have done without Rome 15:08 owen So you've been to Venice before? 15:11 nengard 3rd time to Venice 15:11 nengard 2nd to Rome 15:11 nengard 1st to Bergen 15:11 nengard Hubby and I did Italy down one coast and up the other while in college 15:11 nengard and then went back for honeymoon 15:12 nahuel hehe 15:16 nengard can someone point me to the file in the koha directory that lists the authorized values and what each one stands for - i know i saw it somewhere but can't find it again 15:28 jwagner nengard, not sure what file you're talking about, but maybe see kohaclone/installer/data/mysql/en/optional/auth_val.sql? 15:29 jdavidb nengard: they're defined in installer/data/mysql/en/optional/auth_val.sql There's a .txt file there too, that might be of some help. 15:29 nengard jwagner, i thought that was it too - but it's not - and i can't remember what file I'm talking about either :) hehe 15:29 nengard jdavidb the txt file might be it 15:29 nengard off to check it 15:29 jwagner Don't think so -- it's a pretty generic description. 15:29 nengard nope 15:30 nengard not it 15:30 nengard looking for a file that says what 'RESTRICTED' is for 15:30 nengard what the various HINGS are for 15:30 nengard etc 15:31 jwagner Try koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/admin/authorised_values.tmpl 15:34 nengard jwagner - i wrote that :) hehe 15:34 nengard that's not it :) 15:34 nengard not a big issue 15:35 nengard I'll find it eventually 15:35 jwagner Happy hunting :-) 15:36 cait_laptop nengard: perhaps in the web installer files? I remember reading about hings somewhere ... 15:36 cait_laptop we normally dont add it, perhaps there is a hint in the description during install 15:40 chris_n nengard: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/optional/auth_val.sql 15:41 chris_n oppss 15:42 * chris_n needs to pay more attention to the buffer 15:42 cait_laptop http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/optional/marc21_holdings_coded_values.sql 15:43 nengard cait_laptop thanks - i missed that that inlcuded restricted - but there are still others that I can't find that are not in there 15:44 cait_laptop which are u missing? perhaps we can find out together 15:47 chris_n nengard: 'git grep THINGS' knows about all THINGS in the codebase 15:47 chris_n and even some 'things' as well 15:47 chris_n and I believe that most of the standard grep switches apply 15:49 nengard cait_laptop you know what - I just re-read through and it looks like I have them all 15:50 nengard I could maybe add more details - but I'll do that later :) 15:51 nengard here's what i have: http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kohadocs;a=commitdiff;h=7a00694b5fc90878b6560b8d08bc6a309a18f36d 15:57 cait_laptop nengard: what about proc? 15:57 nengard um - good question :) 15:57 nengard I don't have PROC - but that might be because of a patch that hasn't been pushed to head yet 15:58 cait_laptop is it proc? I mean those new+++++++++++++ 15:58 cait_laptop mäh 15:58 cait_laptop sorry 15:59 jwagner No, PROC & CART are in head -- that's our shelving cart feature. nengard, I think you added them to the installer SQL, didn't you? 15:59 cait_laptop its proc and cart, related to inProcessingToShelvingCart 15:59 nengard jwagner - yes I did 15:59 cait_laptop jwagner was faster :) 15:59 nengard but i don't think my patches were pushed to head 15:59 nengard which is why i don't see them in my authorized value list 15:59 nengard I'll add them to the documentation though 15:59 nengard :) 15:59 cait_laptop Im not used to this laptop's keyboard 16:00 nengard hehe 16:00 nengard had that issue in Italy in the Internet Cafe 16:03 imp :D 16:13 nengard jwagner can you remind me what to write about PROC and CART? I thought I had it written down already somewhere, but I don't.... 16:15 nengard jwagner - nevermind 16:15 nengard found the email you sent me :) 16:15 jwagner PROC is the location to be used for NewItemsDefaultLocation (change description as desired). It's also the location expected by InProcessingToShelvingCart. CART is the shelving cart location, used by InProcessingToShelvingCart and ReturnToShelvingCart 16:15 jwagner here you go anyway.... 16:15 nengard :) 16:32 nengard jwagner okay i added them and other stuff about authorized values: http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kohadocs;a=summary 16:34 jwagner Thanks. 16:50 |Lupin| hello there ! 16:51 |Lupin| quick question to all please 16:52 |Lupin| when new patron is added, sholdn't Koha pre-fill the password field with a generated value ? 16:53 jwagner Not that I know of -- I've never seen that as an option anywhere. 16:53 |Lupin| jwagner: ok... i's weird, I was pretty sre there was a value in my password field... 16:54 jwagner There's an option to auto-generate a patron barcode, but I've never seen anything for password. 16:54 nengard Lupin if you click 'Change Password' the system generates a password 16:54 nengard but doesn't save it unless you click save 16:56 |Lupin| nengard: ah that's what I've seen indeed. 16:57 nengard :) 16:57 |Lupin| nengard: wouldn't it be nic e that a password is proposed also when a patron is added, to avoir for the librarian the burden to choose one ? 16:57 nengard Lupin - yes, but only if that password is emailed to the patron 16:57 nengard or if a confirmation is printed to the screen 16:58 nengard those passwords are not easy to remember for the patron or the librarian who added the patron 16:58 nengard most libraries just make the password the last 4 digits of the phone number as a temp option 16:58 nengard at least most libraries i've been to 17:00 chris you can't email a password :-) not an unencrypted one anyway 17:00 masonj someones up early.. 17:01 |Lupin| weel we email them actually... 17:02 chris yikes!! 17:02 |Lupin| :) 17:02 |Lupin| nengard: the password would just be proposed, with the option for the librarian to replace it by something else... that could even be a syspref... 17:03 nengard chris i know it's not secure -but there is no way you can expect a librarian to remember the passwords for new patrons if they're randomly generated-hence why i'm saying to let the librarian assign the password 17:03 |Lupin| chris: how wold you do other than emailing the passwords ? the "4 last digits" option does not seem much more secure tome, especially now that the procedure has been published !:) 17:04 masonj fyi: ive recently switched back to quassel , as my IRC proxy/client 17:04 masonj http://quassel-irc.org/ 17:05 masonj much better on reconnects that my old dircproxy/colloquy setup 17:05 chris nengard: not only is it not secure, its positively dangerous 17:05 |Lupin| nengard: well, if the generated password is given as a default input fvalue for the form, then I presume the librarian would just have to start typing a new one to replace that value, I mean he/she wouldn't have to explicitly delete it... 17:05 chris sending passwords in plaintext over emails should never be done 17:06 |Lupin| chris: I understand and am asking what other solutions you can suggest... 17:06 chris its a well solved problem millions of websites handle this correctly 17:06 nengard chris - they handle it by letting users pick their passwords 17:07 chris not only that 17:07 chris they handle it by the use of one time tokens also 17:08 |Lupin| chris: so Koha could do that to, couldn't it ? 17:09 jwagner At minimum, maybe building in a "change your password" at first login would help the security issue. 17:09 chris jwagner: only if you didnt send the password in clear text already :) 17:10 |Lupin| ok, see you soon everybody 17:10 chris |Lupin|: yes it could, what it should never do though, is send passwords in the clear, people often use the same username and password on many different sites 17:11 jwagner I'm thinking of the defaults like "last 4 digits of phone number" setups. That way you don't send the password, but it's set to something simple. Then force them to change it. 17:11 chris yup 17:12 |Lupin| chris: yep... I'm just trying to avoid the burden for our librarian to have to finvent passwords... I'll suggest her the "4 last digits" algorithm 17:13 |Lupin| k, let's go 17:13 |Lupin| thanks for the discusson chris, jwagner, nengard & all 17:14 * chris works with some of the organisers of https://kiwicon.org/presentations/ 17:15 chris i wouldn't be able to look them in the eye if koha started sending plain text passwords 17:22 chris jwagner: what was the date for the conference in australia you were interested in? 17:24 chris and does anyone know if the 25 to 29th of october clashes with any big library conferences in the US? 17:24 chris if not the 25,26,27 of october are going to be the dates for kohacon, i can confirm a venue for those days 17:26 jwagner chris, my australia conference was in early September, don't remember exact dates for it. My recent basement flood and associated repair work took all the money I'd saved up to go to that one anyway :-( 17:27 chris ahh bummer 17:27 jwagner Backhoes digging up your yard can do that to you, sigh. 17:29 chris http://www.wellingtonconventioncentre.com/venues/wellington-town-hall/civic-suites 17:30 chris its right in the cbd, so close to places to eat for lunch, which means we dont get gouged for catering 17:31 chris and it comes with www.cafenet.co.nz which im sure i can get sponsored for us 17:31 jdavidb chris++ # all the work on next year's KohaCon 17:32 chris schuster: you might know ... any library conferences on on the 25-29th of october 2010? 17:32 schuster I'll have to do some hunting. Librarian thing...;) 17:32 chris fabulous 17:33 chris if you could let me know what you find, that would be great, if it doesnt clash with anything, ill book the venue for those days ( well, 25,26,27 anyway) 17:35 nengard chris - internet librarian is probably over those dates 17:35 chris http://bit.ly/8w14Sh 17:36 chris ahhh, damn, its only really those days, or bang up against thanksgiving that i have as options 17:36 nengard http://www.infotoday.com/il2009/ 17:36 nengard i'd skip IL for Koha - but just letting you know 17:36 chris right thank you 17:37 nengard that said i'm all for doing it over a holiday 17:37 nengard since bri has off :) 17:37 schuster http://library2.usask.ca/~dworacze/CONF.HTM - this is an interesting website... 17:38 schuster That was 2009 for IL2009. 17:38 chris over thanksgiving nengard ? youll end up paying a ton more in airfare 17:39 chris schuster: that site is awesome :) 17:39 jwagner airfare-- 17:39 schuster nengard looks like IL is skipping October all together next year. 17:39 schuster 2010... 17:40 nengard schuster - how you figure? 17:41 * chris is concious that once i book these dates, they are booked, but i figure i need to book soon as everything is filling up 17:41 nengard schuster, IL will be in Oct in 2010 - that's what they said this year at the conference 17:42 schuster http://www.infotoday.com/conferences.asp - nothing listed. 17:42 chris lets beat em to it :) 17:42 chris someone tell them to do it the week before 17:42 chris then ppl can fly thru cali on the way to kohacon :-) 17:43 ccurry I have a question about bulkmarcimport.pl. I'm trying to import MARCXML, using the "-m MARCXML" option. When I specify this option, 0 records are imported. I used MarcEdit to convert my .mrc file to MARCXML. The .mrc file imports and indexes fine. When I leave out the "-m MARCXML" option and point the script at an xml file, the import & and zebra rebuild report success, but only the... 17:43 ccurry ...leader imports. Am I missing something? I'm also using the -d & -v options for bulkmarcimport.pl 17:46 schuster I've emailed IL about 2010 so we will see what they say. 17:48 chris cool, im just firing an email off to the mailing list too, a brief straw poll 17:58 chris bbiab 18:15 schuster In booking things you always bump into something unavaidable... PA and Michigan state conferences 18:16 schuster Question to the group... Is there a quick way to delete items that will update indexes etc...??? kind of a batch mode? 18:16 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 18:16 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 27.0�C (11:10 PM IST on November 23, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 18:16 schuster @wunder wellington NZ 18:16 munin schuster: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 24, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 18:16 schuster @wunder Plano TX 18:16 munin schuster: The current temperature in Crooked Lane, Plano, Texas is 18.4�C (12:15 PM CST on November 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). 18:17 cait_laptop @wunder Reutlingen 18:17 munin cait_laptop: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 11.4�C (7:15 PM CET on November 23, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling). 18:17 schuster hmmm very similar... 18:19 chris_n @wunder 28334 18:19 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 11.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 23, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 18:29 chris i think it will get to about 19/20 today 18:31 brendan @wunder 93117 18:31 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.4�C (10:29 AM PST on November 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising). 18:33 chris brendan and nengard thanks for your replies :) 18:33 brendan :) 18:33 brendan my espresso machine would not turn on this morning -- So I'll still a little slow 18:34 chris schuster: did you ever get your branch thing sorted? 18:34 chris is the plano opac publicly visible? 18:35 chris nvm, found it :) 18:38 nengard brendan you're forgiven - my body is 6 hours out of my current time zone 18:38 nengard i think i need a nap .... 18:38 brendan nengard, glad to see you back, though 18:39 nengard me too - very glad! 18:41 chris yes wb nengard 18:41 chris schuster: i don't think the limit feature can do or, is the problem 18:48 joetho Is biblioitems generally the biggest table (in file size) in a Koha typical installation? 18:48 joetho I don't have a local installation to check this 18:49 chris depends how old the installation is 18:49 chris at first install, yes most likely 18:49 joetho 3.0, 18:49 chris (not the version, how long it has been running) 18:49 joetho I figured as much. 18:49 chris overtime statistics, or oldissues may pass it 18:49 joetho oh 18:50 chris (biblioitems is fairly static compared to the growth of the circulation stats etc) 18:50 chris but for a big library, the marc and marcxml makes biblioitems stay ahead for a long time 18:51 joetho I am trying to download it and have yet to succeed. When using it for reports, I never use the marc and marcxml field for that very reason. 18:52 joetho but downloading the whole table doesn't give me a choice of what fields. 18:53 joetho I think this download might take a few months. 18:55 * chris goes to catch his bus 18:55 chris yeah it is pretty big 18:58 nengard hmmm - my local install of Koha is not finding results anymore ... any ideas? tips? I haven't changed anything that would make the search stop working ... 18:58 brendan ps -aef | grep zebra 18:59 brendan try running that nengard and see what you get 19:01 jwagner gmcharlt, online? 19:01 gmcharlt jwagner: yep (and back) 19:02 jwagner Hi there! I've noticed there haven't been any updates to head in a while. Is it effectively frozen now until 3.2? 19:03 gmcharlt jwagner: no, not quite - I've got to run through bugfixes as well as merge in BibLibre's acq stuff - a turkey day weekend activity for me 19:03 jwagner That doesn't sound like much fun :-( I have a system I'm trying to take live -- didn't know if there would be any more updates coming soon. 19:04 jwagner How much of BibLibre's acq stuff is going in now, versus waiting for 3.2? Any way to judge? 19:05 gmcharlt it will all be going in - basically a prereq for the 3.2 alpha 19:05 jwagner Hmmm. We've been waiting for one piece, so maybe we'll get an early Christmas present :-) Thanks. 19:06 nengard gmcharlt - don't forget the new sys prefs module by pianohacker - that needs to be moved over too 19:06 gmcharlt nengard: yep 19:06 nengard :) 19:07 jwagner gmcharlt, I have a bunch of relatively minor patches that haven't gone into head, and probably 1-2 more XSLT fixes. What are the odds of those getting into head at this stage? 19:08 gmcharlt pretty good, unless any time consuming merge situations arise 19:09 jwagner OK. If I'm lucky, I'll get the last XSLT fix done tomorrow. If not, it would be sometime next week. (I'm waiting for a data sample so I can see which fields aren't separated properly.) 19:45 chris back 19:46 imp wb :) 19:47 imp http://hannover.ccc.de/~imp/baeh.png /fun/ ;) 20:02 imp @wunder Hannover 20:02 munin imp: Error: No such location could be found. 20:02 imp @wunder Hannover Germany 20:02 munin imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is 10.0�C (8:50 PM CET on November 23, 2009). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). 20:02 schuster nicole - did you get your zebra running? 20:09 nengard schuster -no - first trying to ssh into my vm - grrr 20:14 chris i just pshawed you on twitter nengard :) 20:14 nengard uh oh 20:14 nengard there was documentation about numbering? 20:15 cait_laptop hdl still around? 20:15 chris yep 20:35 schuster for some reason after I rebooted my test server zebra didn't restart... rrr... 20:35 nengard can anyone use the bulk upload patron images tool? 20:36 nengard I can use it for one patron - but no matter how i zip up my files i get an error 20:36 schuster I bulk upload, but with an under the hood tool that the dataloaders setup for me. 20:37 nengard k - but i need to know if there is a bug in my system or the upload tool in general for documentation purposes :) 20:38 schuster remember there is a file limitation on size of picture and pixel. I also discovered I believe there was a limit on the number you could bulk upload. 20:41 nengard it's not a size issue 20:41 nengard the file uploaded alone just fine - the image file that is 20:41 nengard it says "Untitled.zip failed to unpack. 20:41 nengard Please verify the integrity of the zip file and retry." 20:45 hdl cait_laptop: ? 20:46 cait_laptop hdl: another bug and I wanted to ask if I can use your test installation to show something in my presentation tomorrow - because serials dont work well in ours :( but there are problems too 20:46 cait_laptop hdl: have to leave now for a late birthday party 20:47 hdl cait_laptop: I just fixed the bug on routing-preview.pl you pointed 20:48 cait_laptop hdl: wow! 20:48 cait_laptop hdl: will test later :) 21:11 nengard chris schuster - fyi - http://www.infotodayblog.com/2009/10/30/see-you-next-year-4/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+InfotodayBlog+%28Infotoday+Blog%29&utm_content=Bloglines 21:12 ccurry I have a question about bulkmarcimport.pl. I'm trying to import MARCXML, using the "-m MARCXML" option. When I specify this option, 0 records are imported. I used MarcEdit to convert my .mrc file to MARCXML. The .mrc file imports and indexes fine. When I leave out the "-m MARCXML" option and point the script at an xml file, the import & zebra rebuild report success, but only the leader... 21:12 ccurry ...imports. Am I missing something? I'm also using the -d & -v options for bulkmarcimport.pl 21:12 chris ahh bummer 21:12 chris ah well, i think im gonna go for those dates anyway 21:13 schuster nengard - wow - documented in photo! I wonder though what the draw differential is between the two options? 21:13 schuster I think chris will be pretty safe - I don't think it will hurt his gathering much. 21:13 chris *nod* 21:13 schuster sorry nengard. 21:13 chris ccurry: you might be better asking on the koha-devel mailing list 21:14 chris i suspect it simply doesnt like the marcxml, importing as plain marc might be the better way to go 21:14 chris schuster: i think running over thanksgiving would hurt more 21:15 ccurry ok. I'll try koha-devel 21:15 gmcharlt ccurry: one thing to check is whether your MARCXML file is wellformed 21:15 gmcharlt try 21:15 gmcharlt xmllint --noout file.xml 21:16 chris heya gmcharlt ltns 21:22 ccurry gmcharlt: thanks. I ran "xmllint --noout --schema http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/schema/MARC21slim.xsd --valid file.xml" and it validates. 21:22 gmcharlt hi chris 21:23 gmcharlt ccurry: drat, that means that none of the simple answers would work ;) 21:23 chris work keeping you busy ? 21:23 gmcharlt yep 21:23 ccurry gmcharlt: thanks, anyway. 21:27 ccurry I wonder if this is related to another problem I'm having. I'm testing out a dev install in VirtualBox. I followed the same steps (the only difference being selecting "dev" instead of "standard") as when I successfully set up koha on physical hardware. 21:27 chris shouldnt be 21:27 ccurry It seems that zebra isn't functioning correctly on my Virtual install; dev mode. 21:27 schuster nengard - I was able to get pictures to upload but I'm still on 3.000x remember to add the text file and IDLINK.txt was the file name I used. 21:29 ccurry It reports success, but my items aren't searchable. Strangely, I can see them directly at kohaurl/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1 21:29 ccurry I've saved images along the way, so I can go back and choose "standard" install and see if that changes anything, but I thought this might ring a bell for someone. 21:31 chris ccurry: thats not strange, the direct url talks to mysql not zebra at all, its quite conceivable for something to not be indexed 21:32 chris but viewable for hitting the biblionumber 21:32 chris s/for/by/ 21:32 chris ccurry: zebra is only used for searching, the actual data is stored in mysql 21:33 chris so i suspect that you are right, either zebra isnt running, or the indexes havent been updated/build 21:33 chris gah typing fail 21:33 chris s/build/built/ 21:33 ccurry that makes sense 21:33 ccurry now to find the problem; I set up the zebra queue, server as before. Is there an easy way to verify is zebra is running? 21:34 ccurry *if 21:36 chris ps axf | grep "zebrasrv" 21:39 ccurry 2515 pts/0 S<+ 0:00 \_ grep zebrasrv 21:39 ccurry chris: ? 21:41 chris doesnt look like it is running 21:41 chris do you have the init.d job set up to start it? 21:41 chris (i get something like 31392 pts/8 S<+ 0:16 | \_ zebrasrv -f /home/chris/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml) 21:43 ccurry hmmm....the -f option with the path to the koha.conf is in my other server's process. I'll check the commands I used to set the init.d job...maybe I had a problem with paths that I missed. thanks. 21:43 chris np 21:57 ccurry well, now I'm confused. I rebooted and the server definitely starts Zebra Queue and Zebra Server on startup, but when I run top, I don't see the processes. argh. 22:22 watermole looking for some help with an error message. 22:22 watermole Can't call method "as_usmarc" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 2157. 22:34 hdl one of your biblios fetched with your query is failing to be retrieved 22:53 pianohacker Good morning 22:53 chris heya pianohacker 22:53 pianohacker Hi chris 22:53 pianohacker How's it going? 22:54 chris not too bad, i think we are finally starting to tail off down towards xmas ... so i might be able to catch up on my ever growing todo list 22:55 pianohacker What's it like to have Christmas in the middle of summer? 22:55 chris normal 22:55 chris :-) 22:55 pianohacker Heh, well then 22:55 chris ive only had one in the winter 22:55 pianohacker Definitely not a white christmas, then 22:55 chris and it was kinda cool 22:55 hdl goo night cait_laptop1 22:56 chris pianohacker: lots of bbq, beaches, picnics etc 22:56 chris think 4th of july 22:56 pianohacker I think my ma would probably prefer a southern hemisphere christmas 22:56 chris without the fireworks, and with presents 22:56 chris :) 22:57 brendan heya pianohacker 22:57 pianohacker Hi brendan 23:12 brendan whatcha up to pianohacker 23:13 pianohacker Chatting with friends, trying to get some school caught up so I can start my break 23:13 pianohacker Nothing too interesting 23:13 brendan helping someone with their first koha install -- via email - boy is that slow 23:14 pianohacker Yes, I've done that. Satisfying once everything is working, tho 23:16 brendan he got it working on ubuntu so far -- now he's trying on debian 23:17 brendan which is going easier 23:30 chris http://www.cricinfo.com/nzvpak2009/engine/current/match/423778.html NZ in all sorts of trouble in the cricket 23:32 brendan heh, looks like it 23:33 chris its a 5 day game, so the question is, can they get themselves out of trouble