Time Nick Message 23:25 chris heh 23:25 brendan ah the channel goes quiet after wizzyrea and owen leave :) 22:57 * owen thinks, Let's see a monkey do that! 22:52 * owen absolves wizzyrea 22:51 wizzyrea dangit owen, now I feel guilty 22:51 wizzyrea mason* 22:51 wizzyrea lol masosn 22:51 mason s/to/you/ 22:51 mason .. with a bunch of kids, waiting to ride you like a horsey - when to get there ;) 22:49 wizzyrea i'm like the thirsty person in the desert... belly crawling towards the end of day oasis 22:49 pianohacker just enough time for a patch! 22:49 wizzyrea can't... do... it... 22:49 owen No, wizzyrea, 12 more minutes of productivity! 22:48 wizzyrea I'm out, ttyl :) 22:45 brendan heya mason 22:45 |Lupin| k, time to go to bed, til soon everybody, bye 22:45 wizzyrea hi mason 22:45 mason heya folks.. 22:44 chris heh 22:44 owen chris: It'll be time for a re-make by then 22:42 chris 2020 or soething 22:41 pianohacker bleh. I generally oppose torrenting, but the release schedule for dr. who episodes in the US is truly ridiculous 22:40 owen chris: Was it supposed to happen last week instead? 22:40 wizzyrea probably. 22:40 chris misread the mayan calendar 22:40 chris did you see that totally screwed up the dates for that? 22:40 owen wizzyrea: They're busy torrenting the new Dr. Who special. 22:40 pianohacker owen: They sure don't make statues of liberty like they used to 22:39 wizzyrea yay, 400k download speed here. Jebus, what happened to our ISP. Criminy 22:39 wizzyrea lol owen 22:38 owen Just in time for the **AAAHH** <crushed by a falling national monument> 22:38 chris i hear that 22:38 chris heh 22:38 * pianohacker adds it to Koha to-do list, notes that at this rate it'll get done sometime in 2012 22:37 chris that works 22:37 pianohacker I think I'd send an updatedatabase and tweaks to make it an actual bitmask, then fix the interface 22:37 chris exactly 22:37 pianohacker That's the only help page I've ever needed to refer to more than once 22:36 chris i want to kill someone 22:36 chris everytime i read 1 => !OPAC Intranet Editor Collapsed 22:36 pianohacker chris: the far worse part is that the hidden field is allllmost a bitmask, but not quite 22:35 owen Not sure if it's too impractical (or messy) to add functionality that works for only one tag's subfields. 22:35 chris what are we indexdata 22:35 chris with the hidden thing 22:34 chris yeah can we kill those numbers 22:33 |Lupin| owen: 995 22:33 owen ..although the "hidden" field is for all tags, and this would only be relevant to 952 (or whatever it is in UNIMARC) 22:32 pianohacker dropdown at least, preferably checkboxes 22:32 pianohacker owen: I've wanted to redo hidden for a long time 22:32 pianohacker wizzyrea: I think I have seen that 22:32 owen Even if we didn't get as far as enabling reordering, perhaps we could add functionality to the "hidden" constraint in the subfield editor 22:32 chris yes that would be right, because you dont want an ordinary user able to do, would be an easy way to get hacked 22:31 |Lupin| I just tried to add a trigger and mysql said the SUPER privilege is required to do that... 22:31 wizzyrea (though I think we've talked about that before_ 22:31 wizzyrea dk if you're familiar 22:31 wizzyrea ph: i like that. See the WP widget interface 22:29 |Lupin| shouldn't the koha user have all the priviledges over the koha db ? 22:29 |Lupin| when one follows the instructions given in the INSTALL files 22:29 |Lupin| hmm 22:29 owen Not that I'm smart enough to make it happen... 22:29 pianohacker owen: A cute little Reorder button that brought up a drag-and-drop display? 22:28 wizzyrea owen++ that would roxxor my soxxors 22:28 owen (...bringing up another interface disaster...) 22:28 owen I wonder if we could add an option to frameworks to control display of subfields in the add item interface? 22:26 pianohacker nothing too insane, but it would remove the need for the .pl to handle little things like logged-in branch first 22:25 pianohacker owen: mainly the option to do _some_ post-processing of the data 22:25 owen pianohacker: what kind of improvements would we get from an alternate templating system? 22:25 pianohacker yup, that's entirely based on the MARC framework 22:24 pianohacker There's a lot of tiny, in-many-places interface tweaks that our retarded templating system makes very difficult 22:24 owen Yeah, edit items table is in subfield order. 22:24 wizzyrea 3. the edit items table should be optimized for usefulness, with commonly used columns like barcode and home/holding branch not on the part you can't see and have to scroll for. 22:23 wizzyrea (in drop downs, both) 22:23 wizzyrea 2. logged in branch should always get preference 22:22 wizzyrea 1. alphabetization! 22:22 wizzyrea ooh, I'm sure we can come up with some for you 22:22 owen In fact I think the table isn't designed at all, I think it's just dumped. 22:22 owen In fact I was thinking of doing a blog post on interface peeves 22:22 wizzyrea and the barcode (used all the time) on the right? 22:22 wizzyrea why put the fields that are not the most often used at the left of the table? 22:21 wizzyrea ok, this is seriously a beef of mine 22:21 wizzyrea well there's the edit items table... 22:21 * owen tries to think of a good interface disaster to blame on monkeys 22:20 wizzyrea not exactly the answer I was looking for 22:20 wizzyrea doh 22:19 owen I hear folks are getting very good results from monkeys these days. 22:19 pianohacker We need your css, owen! 22:19 wizzyrea who will design the koha interface? 22:19 * wizzyrea will go kill owen herself if he goes to play in traffic and gets hurt. 22:19 pianohacker Hehe 22:19 owen Sorry pianohacker, I'm working the circ desk. Can't run out into traffic for another 45 min or so. 22:18 wizzyrea ;) 22:18 wizzyrea that's like, geek speak for "go play in traffic" 22:18 munin joetho: The current temperature in DEAN\'S WEATHER STATION, PRESCOTT, Kansas is 4.7�C (3:43 PM CST on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Rising). 22:18 joetho @wunder fort scott, ks 22:18 * pianohacker hopes owen didn't take his rather droll joke literally 22:17 wizzyrea gerg, I keep getting pulled off of my task by koha questions. Not that I mind particularly, but it does make getting things done rather difficult :/ 22:17 munin brendan: The operation succeeded. Quote #47 added. 22:17 brendan @quote add pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car 22:15 wizzyrea :) 22:15 munin wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 12:25 PM, August 06, 2009) 22:15 wizzyrea @quote get 23 22:15 munin brendan: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 22:15 brendan @quote add pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car 22:15 wizzyrea my quote add capability is somehow broken 22:15 wizzyrea LOL someone quote add that 22:14 pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car 22:14 * owen looks accusingly at everyone else 22:13 pianohacker just a few 22:13 brendan yeah I'd say there are some geeks in this channel 22:13 brendan heh 22:13 wizzyrea I always like it when a question I ask incites geekery well beyond the original question 22:12 pianohacker brendan: though that falls into the category of an unintentional DOS 22:12 brendan chris_n is into that kind of stuff 22:12 brendan more like a prime number with 10 million digits 22:12 wizzyrea lulz 22:12 pianohacker finally, an actual practical use for memorizing pi 22:12 pianohacker ooh 22:11 wizzyrea like, pi to the 10000th digit? 22:11 wizzyrea define "particularly long" 22:11 pianohacker hehe, a particularly long passphrase might come close 22:11 wizzyrea one of my libraries asked 22:11 wizzyrea well, I can do my best I suppose ;) 22:11 owen wizzyrea: Are you going to run right out and try to overload the password length? 22:10 |Lupin| sorry wizzyrea to have been confusing 22:10 |Lupin| oops 22:10 pianohacker wizzyrea: np 22:10 pianohacker </geekery> 22:10 pianohacker tho we _really_ ought to be moving towards using sha-256, given the known collision attacks against MD5 22:10 wizzyrea well it's a good thing I asked, thanks ph 22:10 wizzyrea makes sense 22:09 wizzyrea Ahhhhh 22:09 pianohacker wizzyrea: no; the password is hashed using MD5, and the hash is always the same length 22:09 owen But that's the md5'ed length, isn't it? 22:09 wizzyrea wouldn't that mean 30? 22:09 wizzyrea `password` varchar(30) default NULL, 22:07 pianohacker There shouldn't actually be a max that you're likely to hit 22:07 pianohacker |Lupin|: not in this case, since it's hashed 22:06 |Lupin| wizzyrea: (it's a mysql statement) 22:06 |Lupin| wizzyrea: desc borrowers should tell you 22:04 wizzyrea erm... 1s I may be able to help myself on that one 22:04 wizzyrea question: is there a max length for the OPAC password? 21:58 |Lupin| so that's one thing to avoid for portability 21:58 |Lupin| OLD and NEW are MySQL extensions to triggers. 21:51 chris not sure, ive never tried triggers in mysql 21:49 hdl chris is the syntax between mysql and postgresql the same ? 21:45 |Lupin| hdl: well that's a temporary thing, so that's fine, and the benefit of having a real-time update of the shelf content is worth the price in the situation I think 21:45 chris postgres has triggers 21:44 hdl ties you with mysql... But well... 21:43 |Lupin| hdl: yeah triggers are even nicr cause it's completely dynamic and ran exactl when it's needed, so that's cool! and I didn't know them so curlutally speaking it's great... so, thanks a lot !! 21:41 |Lupin| hdl: you mean a script that would pass the whole query to mysql ? yeah, why not ! 21:40 hdl But you could look at http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/triggers.html 21:40 |Lupin| hdl: anyway, thanks for havign shown, it confirms what I wanted to do can work 21:40 hdl |Lupin|: i would use a shell cronjob for that. 21:40 pianohacker hi wizzy 21:39 |Lupin| hdl: the question ismore: is there a way in the db to have actions performed regularly, like a cron job but inside the db ? 21:39 hdl |Lupin|: INSERT INTO virtualshelfcontents (shelfnumber, biblionumber) SELECT theshelfnumberyouneed,biblionumber from biblio 21:39 |Lupin| hdl: yeah delete and then insert select the required things... 21:38 wizzyrea ph, hello 21:37 hdl |Lupin|: you could update a given virtualshelves content with : DELETE FROM virtualshelvescontent where shelfnumber=... 21:35 pianohacker Good afternoon 21:34 Ropuch ;> 21:32 |Lupin| Ropuch: so am I, thanks for helping 21:31 Ropuch Well, I'm sure it is 21:31 Ropuch I think it's doable 21:28 |Lupin| Ropuch: basically find out all the biblonumbers who have an item with a certain ccode and no item with another ccode 21:26 Ropuch Describe what you the sql to do 21:23 |Lupin| Ropuch: I was just wondering how far I could go in pure SQL 21:23 |Lupin| Ropuch: doing it in Perl is an easy and acceptable fallback 21:22 |Lupin| Ropuch: I am trying to create some kind of dynamic virtual shelves for my librarian 21:22 Ropuch If you tell me what you are trying to do, I can ask some ppl [; 21:20 Ropuch But 21:20 Ropuch I can handle signle querry only in sql 21:20 |Lupin| Ropuch: I tried but was not very successfull... tried googling I mean 21:20 |Lupin| Ropuch: are you familiar enough with mysql to tell how one could regularly lookup a table and update another one ? is that doable inpure mysql ? 21:19 Ropuch Np, googling things out is my my job ;> 21:19 |Lupin| Ropuch: I'll check but it looks like that, yes ! thanks ! 21:18 Ropuch |Lupin|: is taht what you need? 21:18 Ropuch http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.4/en/exists-and-not-exists-subqueries.html 21:17 Ropuch select * from table where exist (select blabla) 21:13 |Lupin| expressing something like "there exists at least one row in the table such that ..." in a where clause ? 21:13 |Lupin| anybody knowshow to do a universal or existential quantification in mysql pls ? 20:52 |Lupin| wow irssi is clever: lu<tab> completes correctly 20:51 |Lupin| hey hdl :) 20:47 hdl hi |Lupin| 20:47 hdl hi |logbot_backup 20:40 brendan bbiab 20:38 |Lupin| hi there 20:36 brendan rhcl, you could check to see what is listed for a username and group in koha-zebra-ctl.sh 20:32 chris rhcl: if you did all of option 2, and its not starting, then you might not have the daemon package installed, or you koha-zebra-ctl.sh script isnt configured right 20:30 owen jwagner: Then you can use OpacUserCSS to give them their color 20:30 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Option 1: run the Zebra proces" (29 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/60 20:30 jwagner owen, I need to set a color for my sites. I can submit the patch with or without a color, I guess. 20:30 chris im pasting directly from the file 20:29 rhcl The install directions specifically show this as part of the "Option 1, command line", which is exactly how we are starting it. Even with setting up Option 2, and double checking, we have to login and run zebrasrv by hand. 20:29 owen jwagner: Maybe we should leave the color alone and leave that up to each location? 20:28 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "setting up start up processes" (12 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/59 20:28 jwagner owen, I got the css stuff figured out, I think. How about a nice tasteful green for the shelving location? Blue is kind of overworked, and red is better suited to "pay attention!" things like Lost. 20:28 chris yes it does :) 20:28 rhcl Yea, I've got the directions here, and have been over them 1000 times, and nothing addresses this that I see. 20:28 brendan http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian-lenny;h=2d2997a7eacb6053980232a96cff5f04c190b52b;hb=HEAD 20:27 chris ok look at the INSTALL.debian-lenny 20:27 rhcl yes, lenny and 3.0.4_fixed 20:26 chris are you running debian rhcl ? 20:26 chris yes 20:26 rhcl Right now we have to login to our koha server and start zebrasrv, using >/usr/bin/zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha0conf.xml, each time manually (after a reboot). How should this be started automatically without a usr login? 20:23 chris ill email 20:23 chris yeah 20:23 hdl he sure is awake, but should not be near his computer atm 20:23 * chris emails 20:22 * chris is racing a deadline 20:22 chris i wonder if he is still awake 20:22 chris in part of my RFI response, they talk about discovery layer, im saying Koha doesnt need one, in fact other libraries have used Koha as discovery layer for their old LMS 20:22 hdl mmm you had better ask paul for details. 20:22 chris cool, do you have any details? 20:21 hdl chris yes. 20:20 chris anyone know of any libraries who are using the Koha Opac as a discovery layer, while using their old LMS in the background? 20:14 jwagner hdl, does that mean the XSLT shouldn't use the staff viewISBD syspref? 20:06 hdl jwagner: chris about ISBD for OPAC and intranet : There is the problem of links between intranet and opac which are different owed to the fact that authorities/detail.pl and catalogue/detail.pl refers to different scripts and opac has only one directory 20:03 jdavidb If there wasn't already a "less" command, I'd lobby for that function to be done by mroe. 20:02 brendan mroe sounds so morose 20:02 * jdavidb gets out his Dark Arts of CSS book. Probably oughta read it some mroe. 20:00 chris i think since we have a way to do bulk modifications on items, probably can just do that for shelving locations too 19:59 owen chris: I was picturing an interface just like transfers, only instead of setting a branch you set a shelving location. 19:58 jdavidb Ah, by merely monkeying with the CSS. I see. 19:57 owen jdavidb: Adding the <BR> to the HTML means that it is forced onto a new line for any and all users. Doing it in the CSS means that libraries can choose. 19:57 jwagner I've set up a span in the css, copying the term one, then called it in the tmpl. Not sure I've got it right yet, but... 19:57 jdavidb Why choose one over the other, owen? 19:57 owen <span class="shelvingloc"><TMPL_VAR></span> ; .shelvingdoc { display: block } 19:55 owen jdavidb: No, it should go in the CSS 19:54 jdavidb < TMPL_IF shelving_location is present> <BR><span foo><TMPL_VAR> </span> </TMPL_IF> ? 19:53 chris owen: http://librarian.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/tools/batchMod.pl 19:53 owen jwagner: Then what you need is to add "display:block" to the <span>'s CSS 19:53 chris owen: like the bulk item edits interface? 19:53 jwagner They also asked for the shelving location to go on a separate line. There are a few cases where I think putting a <BR> in the template code might cause problems. We have a single library site (single branch mode on, so it doesn't display library name) which doesn't use shelving locations. I'll have to look at that a bit more. 19:52 * owen is waiting for a transfers-like interface for setting shelving location 19:52 owen I don't know how other libraries use shelving location--we don't use it at all 19:51 owen I'd say it is potentially of general use 19:51 jwagner (jdavidb, caramels work too....) 19:50 jwagner OK, if this is something that would be of general use, I'll try to figure it out. If not, I'll stick to this for my site :-) 19:50 * jdavidb suggests chocolate for jwagner 19:50 * jwagner whimpers 19:49 owen Honestly, I wouldn't suggest anything but a new class name. 19:48 jwagner owen, I was kind of hoping to avoid creating a new span, and "term" looked more usable than, say, "lost" -- any suggestions which other class might be better? 19:48 brendan morning richard 19:48 richard hey chris 19:48 chris hiya richard 19:47 richard hi 19:47 owen jwagner: It should have its own span. "term" is very specific. 19:46 wizzyrea k I will do that. 19:46 jwagner owen and others, I've had a request from a couple of my sites to highlight the shelving location in the staff & OPAC display. Right now it just immediately follows the library branch name, and if you have a wordy name the shelving location gets lost. I'm applying one of the existing span classes to it ("term" which makes it yellow highlighted). Would that be of general use? 19:46 wizzyrea yea, that's what I was thinking 19:46 chris the rest of us would need to go read the code 19:46 chris he'll be able to answer fast 19:45 chris id fire him an email wizzyrea 19:44 * wizzyrea resists the urge to hunt down atz 19:44 wizzyrea can anyone tell me, 3M self-check machines can use a PIN, is that equiv. to the OPAC password? 19:40 brendan ok -- you win by a wide margin :) 19:40 wizzyrea >.> at least in weather terms 19:40 wizzyrea it's more like golf 19:40 wizzyrea oh, this is the misery index 19:40 brendan if not -- then I think I win 19:40 brendan is this golf? 19:40 wizzyrea I win. :) 19:40 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 1.6�C (1:38 PM CST on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Tuesday... 19:40 wizzyrea @wunder 66047 19:37 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.4�C (11:35 AM PST on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Falling). 19:37 brendan @wunder 93117 19:13 brendan :) 19:12 rhcl and I see the file at that link has feedback instructions :) 19:12 brendan also nice to browse code if you wanted to 19:12 brendan ah ok... I usually just use the git.koha.org versions 19:11 rhcl Yea, that looks good, we were just using the install directions that came with the distro 3.0.4_fixed (or whatever) 19:11 brendan ok -- try that link I just pasted 19:10 rhcl OK, I can't see the line numbers and just have a printout at this computer. 19:10 brendan http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian-lenny;h=2d2997a7eacb6053980232a96cff5f04c190b52b;hb=HEAD 19:10 brendan hmm.... line 207 -- explains {SCRIPT_DIR} 19:10 rhcl OK, that sounds good. How can I feed you my input, and/or otherwise assist? 19:09 rhcl The other thing is that in the instructions it mentions "${SCRIPT_DIR}, but never tells how to actually set it. 19:09 brendan line 223 tells you to start the server 19:09 jdavidb just so you know, I'm working on a big rewrite of INSTALL.debian-lenny for the Squeeze release. 19:09 jdavidb That's why that section needs some love...structurally, it has some issues. 19:08 rhcl OK, but when we did "Option 2", following the directions pretty exactly, nothing actually started the zebra process. We had to go back to Option 1 to start the daemon, which then worked fine. 19:08 jdavidb I'm with Brendan. If you find something that needs better wording, just do it. Submit it as a patch, and get ++ a lot. 19:07 brendan so you could make some changes and submit a patch for that 19:07 brendan those doc's are part of git tree 19:06 jdavidb The little section of code starting at line 210 "Zebra Server" tells how to, and that's what we do exclusively, here. 19:06 rhcl Is there anything I can do to assist with the docs here? 19:06 brendan rhcl -- what does "startup process" mean to you? 19:06 rhcl Needs to be shot and replaced with a giraffe. 19:05 jdavidb yup. "running zebra" is one of the sections that needs some love, IMO." 19:05 rhcl What is specifically ment by "startup process". I think that should be defined better. 19:05 rhcl for example, when configuring zebra there is the line "Option 2: run the Zebra processes as daemons, and add to startup process:". 19:04 jdavidb Probably more than a couple. 19:04 rhcl I think there are a couple of things that need clarification... 19:04 jdavidb rhcl: I've done it a bunch, would be glad to help. 19:03 rhcl Who might be the POC for the installation directions for debian lenny? 19:03 brendan rhcl nengard should be back next week 19:03 rhcl Italy? Oh, OK 19:02 brendan nengard is in Italy at the moment 19:01 munin rhcl: nengard was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 2 hours, 20 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <nengard> I'm working with melanie on the problem i mentioned above 19:01 rhcl @seen nengard 18:57 chris but now its time to catch my bus 18:56 chris i can think of no reason 18:55 jwagner Can anyone think of a reason why sites would want ISBD view hidden in staff mode but available in OPAC? XSLT doesn't obey the viewISBD syspref, which is in the Staff group of sysprefs, but I don't see any reason to create an OPAC syspref. 18:53 brendan morning chris 18:52 chris gonna be a nice day 18:52 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). 18:52 chris @wunder wellington, nz 18:07 wizzyrea if they were in the pic then we might have grounds for that 18:06 wizzyrea LOL 18:06 jdavidb Imma tell your bosses you talk about 'em like that, wizzyrea. 18:05 brendan huge flakes - heh ;) 18:04 wizzyrea brendan, I just sent you a friend request so you can see my huge flakes :P 18:03 * jdavidb isn't in California, and doesn't see snow, either. 18:03 brendan :) 18:03 wizzyrea ;) 18:03 wizzyrea dude, you're in california 18:03 brendan Sorry wizzyrea -- I don't see any snow outside 17:58 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.2�C (9:55 AM PST on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Rising). 17:58 brendan @wunder 93117 17:58 wizzyrea huge flakes 17:58 wizzyrea it's beautiful 17:58 wizzyrea omg you should see the snow here 17:55 brendan morning All 17:32 heupink But category code ALL is defined in the database. 17:31 heupink Because I'm getting this error: "Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha3/borrowers`, CONSTRAINT `borrowers_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`categorycode`) REFERENCES `categories` (`categorycode`)) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Members.pm line 730" 17:28 heupink (to set the code to "ALL" 17:28 heupink Hi again! To set a fixed category code for all new users, should "<categorycode is="ALL"></categorycode>" in koha-xml.conf (with ldap) work..? 16:44 chris_n lunch, bbiab 16:35 chris_n lol 16:33 wizzyrea chris_n thanks, that's very warm 16:33 wizzyrea I'll try not to :) 16:32 chris_n just don't drop it on your foot ;-) 16:32 * chris_n hands wizzyrea his soap-stone wood stove 16:30 zico wizzyrea: that`s koha log 16:28 wizzyrea is that the apache log or the koha log? 16:28 wizzyrea http://old.nabble.com/forum/Search.jtp?forum=14380&local=y&query=trapped+fatal+error+production 16:28 zico nahuel: sorry man! 16:28 nahuel don't take care about this 16:28 zico :( 16:28 zico owen: the log shows me this: "[Tue Nov 17 04:24:24 2009] [error] [client 127.0.1.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/favicon.ico [Tue Nov 17 04:24:27 2009] [error] [client 127.0.1.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/favicon.ico" 16:28 nahuel zico, ? 16:28 kf time to leave - bye #koha :) 16:27 zico nahuel: owen 16:25 wizzyrea error logs are a good suggestion as well 16:25 wizzyrea zico: I'm pretty sure there has been discussion of that on the list, lemme get the link 16:25 owen zico: You'll have to look in your error logs for more information 16:24 zico is there anyone who can help me with "production mode - trapped fatal error" ?? 16:24 * wizzyrea goes off to look for a youtube vid of a fireplace 16:23 wizzyrea and I have no fire to make it delightful 16:23 wizzyrea yea, the weather here is frightful 16:23 zico i hv just installed koha-3.0.4.. but when i go for http://127.0.1.1:8080/ ... it shows me the error "production mode - trapped fatal error" 16:22 jdavidb Hm...Tenleytown is kinda the high ground in northwest DC. Wonder what it's like down in Foggy Bottom? 16:22 zico hi 16:21 magnusenger [Bergen | Bodø] + 10 = Lyon :-) 16:21 magnusenger :-) 16:20 nicomo not bad 16:20 munin magnusenger: The current temperature in Olsvik, Bergen, Norway is 8.3�C (5:19 PM CET on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Steady). 16:20 magnusenger @wunder bergen, norway 16:20 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 18.0�C (5:00 PM CET on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 16:20 nicomo @wunder Lyon, France 16:20 magnusenger heh, i'm not the coldest! 16:19 paul_p jdavidb: lol 16:19 * jdavidb pouts a little. 16:19 owen No offense jdavidb, Marseille still wins ;) 16:19 jdavidb 18.3. :P 16:18 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in WRC-Tenlytown, Washington, District of Columbia is 18.3�C (10:30 AM EST on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Falling). 16:18 jdavidb @wunder Bethesda, md 16:18 paul_p hehe... I win :D (18°C ) 16:18 munin paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0�C (5:00 PM CET on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 16:18 paul_p @wunder Marseille, France 16:17 munin magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (4:50 PM CET on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 16:17 magnusenger @wunder bodo, norway 16:15 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0�C (5:00 PM CET on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 16:15 kf @wunder konstanz 16:14 munin owen: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is 13.0�C (10:55 AM EST on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 16:14 owen @wunder 45701 16:14 munin owen: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 16:14 owen @wunder 45764 16:13 owen Ouch! 16:13 munin owen: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 2.9�C (10:12 AM CST on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Tuesday... 16:13 owen @wunder 66044 16:05 wizzyrea that was my impression, I just wanted to make sure 16:05 wizzyrea okies, ty 16:00 gmcharlt yes, at that point it could be captured 15:58 wizzyrea (with it's erroneous itype) 15:58 wizzyrea if the mistakenly assigned item is scanned (checked in) is the hold assigned? 15:57 wizzyrea gmcharlt: one more question 15:45 wizzyrea :) 15:45 wizzyrea ok, thanks 15:45 wizzyrea right, we call the holds queue the pick list (sirsi holdover. Sigh.) 15:44 gmcharlt at least, it generates the 'holds queue' version of the pick list 15:44 gmcharlt same one 15:44 wizzyrea that is a different script than the one that generates the pick list, or no? 15:43 gmcharlt yes 15:43 owen gmcharlt: the holdsqueue job? 15:43 gmcharlt as there is an intermediate cronjob 15:43 gmcharlt wizzyrea: no, it shouldn't be that fast 15:42 wizzyrea gmcharlt: question, is the holds targeting immediate? example: staff catalogs an item, accidentally gives it a non restricted hold itype, clicks save. Staff member then realizes that the item should have a restricted (local hold, for example) itype and changes it. Is it too late? Has that item already become a target of the holds picking system? 15:31 heupink . 15:31 heupink I already wrote the ldap wiki page for 2.x series, and am now adding stuff for 3.x series, 15:31 chris_n heupink++ # for taking time to write one 15:31 chris_n wiki_pages++ 15:31 chris_n heupink: cool 15:30 munin heupink: Error: "chris_n:" is not a valid command. 15:30 heupink @chris_n: I found out why it didnt work, and I'm writing a wiki page now. 15:10 Ropuch Hm, I added &order=biblio.title to basket showing url: it throwed 'ERROR: Illegal sort requested by "biblio.title".', but the items got sorted according to title anyway 14:22 munin gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3785 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, New Install, no maxreserves setting, OPAC holds fail 14:22 gmcharlt @bug 3785 14:21 jwagner Where'd munin go? Anyway, see http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3785 14:20 jwagner I have a new holds-related bug, but I'm not quite sure how best to fix it. Any ideas? See Bug 3785. 14:13 heupink thanks. 14:13 heupink i just thought I'd ask here first. :-) 14:12 chris_n heupink: you might want to post the the list as there are some there who have worked with the koha ldap stuff 14:04 heupink Hope someone here has an idea..? 14:03 heupink Koha takes userid from the user of course, but the rest to perform the bind with. 14:02 heupink But I don't understand where tell koha in what form the bind should be (like: uid=from_login,ou=YY,dc=YY) 14:01 chris_n DBD::mysql is a core module with Strawberry so differences could be there 14:01 heupink Hi, I'm trying to authenticate with ldap, by using the bind as user option ( <auth_by_bind>1</auth_by_bind>) 14:00 chris_n ahh.... hadn't thought of that, but it very well could be 14:00 gmcharlt in Strawberry 14:00 gmcharlt chris_n: I wouldn't be surprised if the behavior is controlled by a setting, possibly in DBD::mysql, which just happens to have a different default value 14:00 Eric_T Ok I forget to export KOHA_CONF, now warnings are different. So I pregress... thanks ! 14:00 chris_n I plan on doing the installation again from scratch and will spend more time debugging it then 13:59 chris_n I suppose there might be another plausible explanation, but I have not spent a lot of time on it 13:58 hdl Eric_T: those are warnings only 13:58 chris_n gmcharlt: I thought so, but very clearly these items failed to insert with DBD throwing an error 13:57 gmcharlt odd - mysql auto-truncates if you try to insert a string that's too long into a varchar 13:57 chris_n gmcharlt: a bib with 13 items fails to insert 13:56 Eric_T So when I try to rebuild the (many) errors are [warn] Index 'tpubdate' not found in attset(s) , 'Modified-code' not found in attset(s), etc etc... 13:56 chris_n the isbn field is varchar(30) currently 13:56 chris_n gmcharlt: the 020 fields are concatenated and then inserted into the isbn field of biblioitems 13:55 chris_n I ended up having to make those fields in the biblioitems table mediumtext types and remove the indexes 13:55 gmcharlt chris_n: too long? in what way/ 13:54 chris_n gmcharlt: when importing records exported from a Koha installation, the isbn and issn fields are too long, especially when the bib has multiple items attached 13:54 gmcharlt hi hdl 13:54 hdl hi gmcharlt 13:54 chris_n gmcharlt: I did find an issue when "round tripping" marc records from one Koha to another 13:53 paul_p (which requires PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF to be defined on your shell) 13:53 paul_p Eric_T: yes, you must rebuild_zebra 13:53 paul_p Eric_T: :(((( welcome here, anyway. For tech questions, you'll get more answers ! 13:52 Eric_T Ok but I can't connect on 6667 port... didn' find any web interface for irc.freenod 13:52 chris_n gmcharlt: with the January 2010 Strawberry release, Koha on win32 should be nearly as straight forward as on *nix 13:51 Eric_T Donc en français, je patauge un peu au niveau de zebra. La recherche ne fonctionne pas. Si j'ai bien compris je dois contruire l'index avec un rebuild_zebra.pl 13:51 paul_p Eric_T: we have a french channel on freenode #koha-fr. He's very quiet, but just FYI. 13:51 gmcharlt chris_n++ 13:51 paul_p Eric_T: misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra 13:50 Eric_T I think now i have to build the zebra index (Oui français Paul) 13:50 paul_p ( in english, it's biblio ;-) ) 13:50 paul_p Eric_T: are u french ? (notice is the french term) 13:49 Eric_T I installed Koha 3.0.4 and imported 1000 "notices" 13:49 chris_n Eric_T: feel free to ask your question, someone here may have the answer :-) 13:47 Eric_T I'm looking for help regarding zebra indexation 13:45 chris_n hi Eric_T 13:45 Eric_T Bonjour / Hello 13:45 chris_n gmcharlt: I have koha running fine now on win32 (2+ years later) 13:43 owen Hi gmcharlt, #koha 13:41 gmcharlt good morning all 13:39 chris_n g'morning #koha 13:39 chris_n wb gmcharlt 13:00 jdavidb Glad I could help. 13:00 heupink ok, thanks! 13:00 heupink (I come from suse, where things are a bit different) 12:59 jdavidb If it works for you, roll with it. I've done it nearly sixty times now, as documented, on both etch and lenny. 12:59 heupink Ok then, I'll take a look at it again then. 12:59 heupink hmm. it didn't seem to work when i tried it, and it did work when using koha.conf. Strange. 12:58 jdavidb a2ensite creates a link from the sites-available to the sites-enabled, and that one, also, loads *all* files, not just .conf. 12:58 jdavidb It loads everything under /etc/apache2/conf. It specificially does *not* load everything under /etc/apache2/sites-available. 12:57 jdavidb If you named it koha.conf, you'd need to do a2ensite koha.conf 12:57 heupink but it should end on .conf, otherwise apache doesn't try to load it, right..? 12:57 heupink because from apache configuration, it tries to load all .conf files, not just ALL files under /sitesenabled 12:57 jdavidb The second parameter can be whatever you want, as long as it's in sites-available. That, of course, is what your'e going to feed to a2ensite. 12:57 jwagner paul_p, thanks! That's what I needed to know. 12:56 paul_p yes but no : when you create a fund, you can limit it to a branch or not. If you don't limit, then anyone can see it. If you limit, then it's only for your library. 12:56 jdavidb Could be, heupink, but it doesn't have to be. 12:56 heupink shouldn't this be "ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha.CONF"? 12:56 heupink it says: "ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha" 12:55 jwagner paul_p, sorry, they can still see each others' funds? 12:55 jwagner OK, thanks -- that's promising news 12:55 heupink Hi all. I'm installing koha on debian, and noticed something in the docs that I think is wrong: 12:54 paul_p jwagner: for funds, I think so. For orders, not sure, but I don't think so (or, if it works, it's by mistake). This part should probably be improved 12:45 jwagner Question for you -- does the new acquisitions code obey Independent Branches? If that's on, can libraries see each others' funds/orders? 12:44 jwagner Bonjour. 12:44 paul_p yep. 'morning jwagner 12:44 jwagner paul_p, online? 10:13 munin paul_p: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 5 days, 17 hours, 37 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> Nate: GPL v2 or later 10:13 paul_p @seen gmcharlt 08:59 |Lupin| bye 08:59 |Lupin| till later, everybody, have to go now 08:56 kf :) 08:56 |Lupin| guten morgen kf :) 08:48 kf hi lupin 08:48 |Lupin| good day all 08:47 kf good morning #koha 08:06 * chris wanders off again 08:05 chris zico: as chris nighswonger said its been fixed for 3.0.4, you can either try to find all the patches or upgrade to that (its probably a .pm change as well) 08:04 * chris cant always answer right away as i have a family at home who demand my attention also :) 08:03 chris in debian it would be apt-get install libxslt-dev 08:03 chris i dont know SME Server at all 08:03 chris its not the perl one ropuch its the main xslt dev libs 07:59 CGI420 i will try 07:58 Ropuch There's some xslt-perl rpms for CentOS 07:57 Ropuch CGI420: http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/perl-XML-XSLT/ 07:57 zico Ropuch, nope! it don`t work :) 07:54 CGI420 pls chris help me 07:54 CGI420 any rpm for xlst 07:53 CGI420 using the command make, make test, make install 07:53 Ropuch CGI420: sory, i 've overlooked this 07:53 paul_p hello #koha, good morning 07:53 CGI420 SME Server 7.4 07:53 Ropuch Morning, paul_p 07:52 Ropuch CGI420: you didn't answer the chris question: what linux version are you using and how trying to install zoom 07:52 CGI420 chris pls help 07:51 CGI420 how to install xslt library 07:51 Ropuch Upgrading to 3.0.4 seems to be the proper way ;> 07:50 Ropuch zico: you can try replace intranet/cgi-bin/labels/label-item-search.pl but I'm not sure it will work 07:49 CGI420 wil sme server 7.4 07:49 zico i mean.. if i tries to search with date ... or barcode... it don`t bring any result 07:49 CGI420 zoom 1.25 07:48 Ropuch It was not a big deal - i just send one email ;> 07:48 zico but... it cannot search anything 07:48 zico i can see the drop down menu now 07:48 zico thnx man 07:48 zico oh Ropuch ... :) 07:48 Ropuch It was me 07:48 zico nd... i pasted that in my koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/labels/ 07:48 Ropuch Yup 07:47 zico Piotr Wejman gave me the search.tmpl of koha 3.0.4 07:47 CGI420 yes 07:47 CGI420 pls help me to solve this problem' 07:47 CGI420 hello 07:47 zico i am here with label printing drop down menu problem again! :) 07:46 zico hi 07:46 chris what version of linux are you using, and how are trying to install zoom 07:45 chris sounds like you are missing the xslt library 07:40 CGI420 usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lxslt collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 07:40 CGI420 pls help me 07:40 CGI420 hi amith 07:39 CGI420 perl zoom module error 07:39 CGI420 plsd help me to solve 07:39 CGI420 usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lxslt collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 07:36 CGI420 pls help me any one ? 07:35 CGI420 cause I cant proced with my koha installtions 07:35 CGI420 pls help me to sovle this problem 07:35 CGI420 i am getting error : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lxslt 07:34 CGI420 when I tried to install the perl module zoom 07:34 CGI420 i need a help 07:34 CGI420 hi I am nithin 07:32 chris excellent 07:13 magnusenger nengard & nicomo did a great job! 07:13 magnusenger hi chris! it went very well, i think! sounds like we will see some more Koha-libraries in Norway in the near future! ;-) 07:11 chris heya magnusenger, how'd the conference go? 07:11 chris cool 07:10 Ropuch Really good pics of mandelbrot set in 3d 07:10 Ropuch http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html 07:01 chris http://of2minds.net/reflections/?p=41 <-- really good writeup about the sirsi dynix FUD 06:50 Ropuch Good morning 05:07 brendan hi Amit 04:22 chris_n2 g'night as well 04:18 pianohacker good night 03:24 chris_n2 fine here too; getting ready to shut down for the night 03:23 Amit chris_n2: Everything is fine here what about u? 03:23 chris_n2 hope things are well on your side of the big ball 03:23 chris_n2 howdy Amit 03:23 Amit good morning #koha 03:23 Amit hi chris, brendan, chris_n2, richard 03:00 chris_n2 heh 02:58 pianohacker why is my ? key trying to take over my keyboard? 02:58 pianohacker ah. it's rarely uplifting, is it? 02:58 chris_n2 "no news is good news" works two ways you know 02:57 chris_n2 just my general appraisal of the news in general 02:56 pianohacker uh-oh? 02:53 chris_n2 reading no-good news 02:53 pianohacker chris_n2: what are you up to ? 02:51 pianohacker working on circ 02:51 pianohacker alright 02:50 chris_n2 how's it going pianohacker? 02:50 pianohacker hi, chris_n2 02:32 chris_n2 g'evening 00:42 chris at least you tried :) 00:40 richard couldn't convince them that it wasn't the brightest thing to do 00:40 * pianohacker goes back to working on circ, because it makes sense! 00:40 richard someone asked me where they could grab a 2 version the other week - they had hosed their installation and wanted to replace it exactly 00:40 pianohacker well, anyway. I'm more bitter than usual 00:38 chris :( 00:37 pianohacker not like we really have any _power_ over that 00:36 chris imho 00:36 chris have them somewhere sure, but you should really only have the current stable ones in the main download area 00:35 chris thats the problem with having them all in download.koha.org 00:35 chris yeah 00:35 pianohacker ah well 00:35 pianohacker Not even .2.9, but 2.8 00:34 * chris asks as much 00:31 chris why the hell is someone trying to install 2.2.8 ????? 00:01 chris gonna duck out and grab somethign to eat, bbiab 00:01 chris :) 00:01 pianohacker well, at least you're not bored 00:00 chris but otherwise ok 00:00 chris busy, too much to do