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23:58 pianohackr|work Good night, I'm headed home too
23:57 ricardo It's midnight people. Time to go home! :)
23:08 ricardo chris: I think I'll send you the updated file tomorrow or Sunday (I'm doing a 2nd revision/correction pass)
23:07 pianohackr|work tell those trees they're going to have to deal with wizzyrea if they give you any more trouble
23:07 pianohackr|work good luck
23:06 chris ok back to gardening i go
23:06 brendan Yup
23:06 ricardo http://www.bnportugal.pt/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=322:manual-unimarc-formato-bibliografico&catid=62:edicoes&Itemid=380
23:06 ricardo brendan: Like I would be "up the creek without a paddle" if I didn't have this book in my hand for translating the UNIMARC english sections to portuguese (the online references miss some things that are in the book):
22:59 brendan :)
22:59 ricardo :)
22:59 pianohackr|work yup
22:59 ricardo Got it
22:59 ricardo Figurative expression
22:58 ricardo pianohackr|work: OK.
22:58 pianohackr|work ricardo: as in up <poo> creek without a paddle
22:58 wizzyrea it's a stinky place no one wants to be
22:58 ricardo Yeah, I know what "poo" is... and also "creek". But what is "poo creek"? :)
22:58 wizzyrea hm, if you had the key you could probably @google define: poop
22:58 wizzyrea awwww
22:58 munin wizzyrea: Error: You must have a free Google web services license key in order to use this command. You can get one at <http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/>. Once you have one, you can set it with the command "config supybot.plugins.Google.licenseKey <key>".
22:58 wizzyrea @google poop
22:58 brendan bummer
22:57 munin brendan: Error: "define" is not a valid command.
22:57 brendan @define poop
22:57 wizzyrea poo as in... poop
22:57 ricardo brendan: "poo creek"?
22:55 wizzyrea it's stinky
22:54 brendan don't want to even get near poo creek
22:54 wizzyrea since it's close to thanksgiving, I'll just go ahead and tell you: I'm thankful for every one of you.
22:54 wizzyrea I can't even count the number of times I'd have been up poo creek without you all
22:54 wizzyrea brendan: and boy do I appreciate that
22:53 wizzyrea this particular one is on ubuntu
22:53 wizzyrea or debian
22:53 wizzyrea well I'm not trying anything like that, Ubuntu is all the more exotic as I'll go these days
22:53 chris nahuel and i were talking about that
22:52 brendan wizzyrea --> you've got us all here now to help
22:52 ricardo wizzyrea: *nod* I gave up trying to set up Zebra in SUSE (openSUSE / SLES)
22:52 pianohackr|work zebra is one of the least friendly professional software packages I've had to deal with
22:52 chris its unmaintained is the main issue
22:52 chris heh
22:52 pianohackr|work I know it pollutes the logs and is slow, but...
22:52 wizzyrea sigh
22:52 wizzyrea might as well get the practice in though
22:52 pianohackr|work chris: what is the official enumerated list for the nozebra riot act?
22:51 wizzyrea I just dread configuring zebra >.<
22:51 wizzyrea well maybe I will switch them
22:51 ricardo chris: Thou shalt not speak less of NoZebra! ;-)
22:51 wizzyrea they're not complaining
22:51 chris nozebra doesnt actually work very well
22:50 chris seriously tho
22:50 wizzyrea >.>
22:50 wizzyrea it may not compel me to switch to zebra, though
22:50 wizzyrea j/k, I like treehuggers
22:50 chris heh
22:49 wizzyrea treehugger!!
22:49 wizzyrea ooh fancy
22:49 * brendan can shape them into artwork too
22:49 brendan purchase me a ticket and I'll be more than glad to prune trees
22:44 ricardo chris: LOL
22:44 chris :)
22:44 chris he can come prune my trees then
22:44 chris hehe
22:43 pianohackr|work hahahaha
22:42 ricardo chris: You just became pianohackr|work #1 Enemy! ;-)
22:41 ricardo wizzyrea: ROTFL! True
22:41 wizzyrea pbbbbrt
22:41 wizzyrea PH, see, chris is more of an enemy to the trees than I am
22:39 ricardo chris:LOL!
22:38 chris the trees
22:34 ricardo chris: Who won? You or the trees? ;-)
22:34 pianohackr|work patches or dns-based innuendo, your choice
22:33 wizzyrea hey, if I can't help, at least I can be funny
22:31 pianohackr|work thank you for your typo :)
22:31 wizzyrea ah thank you, that was a good laugh
22:30 pianohackr|work and a big yellow taxi, took my old dns away
22:29 wizzyrea chris paved paradise and put up a parking lot
22:28 wizzyrea (seriously. I did not plan that)
22:28 pianohackr|work hahahaha
22:28 wizzyrea rofl
22:28 * chris croncretes everything
22:28 wizzyrea "How to become a Parent: creating subdomains"
22:28 chris i hate gardening
22:28 chris 4 skinned knuckles and 9 pruned trees later
22:28 wizzyrea (lol)
22:28 wizzyrea and the chapter it fell on
22:27 wizzyrea I just opened it randomly
22:27 wizzyrea lol... so I have the DNS and BIND book on my desk
22:27 chris awesome
22:27 pianohackr|work hey now
22:27 wizzyrea we could even go into the realm of discussing Bind, but this is a family channel.
22:26 wizzyrea HEHE yes, probably so
22:26 pianohackr|work we obviously have been working waaay too long
22:26 pianohackr|work hehehehe
22:26 wizzyrea yea, it was definitely sending you axfr style updates
22:25 pianohackr|work Hey, the DNS server was totally checking me out
22:25 ricardo wizzyrea: You naughty girl... ;-)
22:25 pianohackr|work hahahahaha
22:24 * wizzyrea imagines PH going "hey baby, wanna resolve some hostnames? We can reverse them later..."
22:24 * wizzyrea falls off of her chair laughing
22:21 * pianohackr|work sidles up to wizzyrea's dns server, introduces self
22:20 wizzyrea see, I've been working on DN*S* all day
22:20 wizzyrea DNA
22:20 wizzyrea lol
22:20 wizzyrea er
22:20 wizzyrea and even that is predicated on finding a compatible mate with which to mix your DNS
22:20 wizzyrea true
22:19 pianohackr|work can't work in government without cynicism
22:19 wizzyrea oi lol
22:19 pianohackr|work It's in the early committee stages, which means it should become usable sometime after my grandchildren are born
22:19 wizzyrea almost 5 years
22:19 wizzyrea but this is the most downtime we've had in the whole time I've been at NEKLS
22:18 pianohackr|work co's gonna have one of those someday
22:18 pianohackr|work ahh, okay
22:18 wizzyrea non-profit ISP for higher ed/libraries/schools in kansas
22:18 wizzyrea Kansas Research and Education Network
22:18 wizzyrea KanREN
22:17 wizzyrea then just exploded again
22:17 pianohackr|work who is it?
22:17 wizzyrea ok most of the week
22:17 wizzyrea then it was down all day Sunday and half of Monday
22:17 wizzyrea last friday it as down for 3 hours (hours!!!)
22:17 wizzyrea no, our usually extremely reliable ISP has had the week from hell this week
22:17 wizzyrea hehe
22:12 ricardo pianohackr|work: True. Thanks :)
22:12 pianohackr|work good luck, translation's always tiring
22:11 ricardo And reached the last line! Yay! :D Now it's time to correct some more :(
22:11 pianohackr|work hehe
22:11 ricardo pianohackr|work: Temper, temper...
22:10 pianohackr|work it's the tool I use in my imagination on someone when they say youth is blissful :)
22:10 ricardo wb wizzyrea. I was starting to think that you ran away, saddened by our conversation ;-)
22:10 ricardo http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acudgel
22:10 ricardo Easier URL:
22:10 ricardo http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acudgel&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
22:08 * pianohackr|work finds his "bliss of youth" cudgel
22:08 pianohackr|work bye schuster
22:07 ricardo Bye schuster :)
22:07 schuster see ya!
22:07 ricardo Ah... The bliss of youth... that learn the Law at a tender age ;-)
22:07 ricardo pianohackr|work: Eheh
22:07 pianohackr|work note that this appreciation is not for use as legal tender
22:06 pianohackr|work we appreciate it!
22:05 * ricardo is translating line 47480 of the Portuguese staff PO file (this never ends...)
22:04 ricardo LOL!
22:04 pianohackr|work Consider this free and unasked-for slang education :P
22:03 pianohackr|work Bah
22:02 ricardo pianohackr|work: I'm on the other side of "The Big Pond", you insensitive clod! ;-)
22:02 pianohackr|work ricardo: Yup
22:02 ricardo pianohackr|work: Oh... That's an "USism" then. OK ;-)
22:02 pianohackr|work We're right next to each other, I think we're supposed to have a rivalry or something
22:01 pianohackr|work wizzyrea's from the state of kansas, I'm from colorado :)
22:01 ricardo WTH is a kansan?
22:00 pianohackr|work Maybe you kansans run your power plants off of boredom and it's carbon neutral anyway, I dunno
22:00 ricardo pianohackr|work: eheh
21:59 pianohackr|work In reality, it would probably be about a watt of difference
21:59 ricardo Ah... the bliss of youth...
21:59 wizzyrea that's very compelling
21:59 pianohackr|work Haha, water, under the legal drinking age :P
21:59 wizzyrea ooh
21:58 ricardo pianohackr|work: Are you allowed to drink at work? ;-)
21:58 pianohackr|work Why do you hate the poor trees, wizzyrea?
21:58 brendan creepy movie the first time I saw it... my brother scared me pretty good
21:58 pianohackr|work How about this? By using zebra, your server load will be less, thus reducing power consumption and saving the environment
21:58 wizzyrea oh snap
21:58 brendan what's the sound tack for that again "get out" getttt outttt
21:57 wizzyrea ;)
21:57 wizzyrea I will consider your concerns when the date is not the 13th... and on a friday.
21:57 pianohackr|work but nozebra is not as ideologically pure! surely, that should be your first concern before practicality
21:57 wizzyrea very funny brendan
21:57 wizzyrea HA
21:57 brendan but think I'll change that to 1k
21:56 brendan Usually I say anything under 5k is ok nozebra
21:56 pianohackr|work bah, that's only a fourth as much as ours
21:56 wizzyrea >.< but I don't wanna!
21:56 wizzyrea performance is good
21:56 wizzyrea 4k
21:56 pianohackr|work Item count?
21:56 brendan go for zebra anyways :)
21:56 wizzyrea like, in a closet tiny
21:56 wizzyrea WEENSY
21:56 wizzyrea like
21:56 brendan schuster -> must have been something wrong in the marcxml blob
21:56 wizzyrea teeensy tiny library
21:56 * pianohackr|work gives wizzyrea evil eye
21:55 pianohackr|work now, the better question, is why nozebra?
21:55 pianohackr|work Hola, don brendan
21:53 wizzyrea it shall be done!
21:53 wizzyrea no zebra reindexing seems to avoid the problems so...
21:53 wizzyrea PH|work thanks, I just on a whim set up a cronjob to do it
21:52 wizzyrea (and it's Sat. in NZ)
21:52 wizzyrea schuster that is nuts
21:52 schuster chris - if I just edit the item and then scan the barcode and save the record in the next Zebra cycle it shows up. Strange.
21:51 * wizzyrea cries that atz is never here anymore
21:51 wizzyrea atz++ for highly useful documentation
21:51 wizzyrea yea, there are usually a few people around in the afternoon :)
21:50 brendan pianohackr|work good afternoon Dr_pianohacker
21:50 ricardo pianohackr|work: "USers", eheh
21:48 pianohackr|work then there should be a few USers at least
21:47 Jim_UWM-SOIS Thanks, it would be early afternoonish central time if anyting.
21:46 pianohackr|work Jim_UWM-SOIS: varies by time of day, but there's usually somebody
21:46 pianohackr|work wizzyrea: Yes, I think you do
21:45 Jim_UWM-SOIS Hello, I'm with the University of Wisconsin- Milwaukee. We are considering using Koha for a class in this up comming spring semster, I am hoping to attempt in installtion on one of our servers early next week. Is there typicaly a good amount (like there is now) of people in here that could help me troubleshoot it if I have any issues?
21:44 ricardo wizzyrea: Sorry, I'm not sure about that :(
21:40 wizzyrea I thought you didn't, but I'm a nub
21:40 wizzyrea like, periodically?
21:40 wizzyrea nozebra do you have to reindex all the time?
21:36 ricardo :)
21:34 wizzyrea <3
21:34 wizzyrea HA
21:29 * ricardo cues "Highlander" movie theme song for wizzyrea ;-)
21:27 * wizzyrea will prevail, though
21:27 wizzyrea I wish ;)
21:27 wizzyrea so apparently one of our librarians deleted a record and it corrupted the search for that author somehow
21:24 ricardo wizzyrea: bad coffee?
21:18 wizzyrea blerg
21:15 ricardo hdl: wb Henri
21:00 ricardo Bye Nate! :)
20:59 Nate Have a great weekend #Koha!
20:56 owen Happy weekend everyone!
20:40 owen No wonder you're considering refactoring Koha code!
20:39 chris gardening--
20:39 chris now i have to go back outside and prune more trees
20:34 chris can you look at the marcxml for it, specifically the 952 stuff (in the db) maybe the barcode is wrong there
20:33 chris schuster: for one of the broken ones (that is still broken)
20:33 chris so it could be that the marc_xml of that item is messed up
20:33 chris since that is where 90% of the slowness of circ is
20:32 chris and will die for 3.4
20:32 chris a fact that it is bad wrong and evil
20:32 chris it does putz around with the marc_xml tho
20:31 chris but unless your circ is different to waht is in the koha git, it doesnt use zebra to search in circ
20:30 chris i can believe that would fix search
20:30 jwagner And _should_ the mapping be changed? Implications?
20:30 chris in circ or in search?
20:29 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "this is better" (12 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/56
20:29 jwagner owen, huh -- the mapping for biblioitems doesn't show any link for publicationyear. Wonder why? This is a clean install from current head, I haven't touched anything inthat area.
20:29 schuster After Zebra runs it.
20:28 schuster chris - if I edit the barcode and save it then it shows.
20:28 owen jwagner: Doesn't it depend on your Koha to MARC mapping?
20:28 jwagner Quick question here -- where does the publicationyear field in biblioitems get its data? I imported a MARC record with a date in both the 260c and the 008, but biblioitems doesn't have it, and therefore it's not displaying in the OPAC record display. (I chased that code down & found it's trying to read biblioitems.publicationyear.)
20:27 * ricardo2 tells chris that "Resistance is futile" ;-)
20:25 * chris resists the urge to refactor this
20:25 chris so either GetItemnumberFromBarcode or GetItem is failing
20:24 chris }
20:24 chris is what it is doing
20:24 chris $issuingimpossible{UNKNOWN_BARCODE} = 1;
20:24 chris unless ( $item->{barcode} ) {
20:24 chris my $item = GetItem(GetItemnumberFromBarcode( $barcode ));
20:23 chris that is the question
20:23 schuster So if it is in the item table why won't it circ?
20:23 chris circ doesnt touch zebra at all
20:23 chris nope it doesnt, phew
20:23 schuster I've edited it and "rescanned" the barcode so will see what happens.
20:20 chris now i have to go read the circ code, cos im panicking it is doing something mental with zebra
20:19 chris but yeah you could try deleting and re-adding one to see if that makes it findable in circ
20:19 chris circ should not be using zebra, if it is, someone is gonna be in huge trouble
20:18 chris not sure that is the problem
20:18 schuster Zebra is chugging away. Maybe I'll try deleting this and readding...???
20:17 schuster found it.
20:15 schuster I can edit it though... - I used to have an sql to check zebra to make sure it was running.
20:15 schuster Yep.
20:12 chris and if you cut and paste, or type the barcode in ... same thing?
20:12 schuster checkout no barcode.
20:12 wizzyrea maybe your index isn't updated?
20:12 wizzyrea oh, did you try barcode: 30126027889804
20:11 schuster check in no item found.
20:11 chris searching uses zebra
20:11 chris ahhh searching, sorry misunderstood
20:11 schuster Searching it isn't working let me see what happens in circ.
20:11 chris right, but in circ its simply not working eh?
20:11 schuster That's how I got the pastebot - http://paste.workbuffer.org/55
20:10 chris ?
20:10 chris select * from items where barcode='scan';
20:10 chris and id you try my scan it into mysql trick?
20:10 schuster scanned
20:10 schuster 30126027889804
20:09 chris and when you scan that barcode into notepad or something, its exactly the same as that?
20:09 schuster Thanks - I can never remember...
20:08 chris pastebot is cool
20:06 pastebot "schuster" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "barcode mysql search" (5 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/55
20:06 chris (irc cuts off lines at a certain size)
20:06 chris schuster: its easier to paste stuff into http://paste.workbuffer.org
20:05 jwagner But when I Get A Round TUIT....
20:05 jwagner schuster, I think there are some tools out there -- haven't dug around much yet to know if something already exists or there's something that could be adapted.
20:04 schuster chris - thanks for the suggestion on the barcode, but I still am not sure how to see about strange characters. PM
20:03 schuster if 852c then 952d - I'd have to look at it again. I know I did some of that with vendor records after we migrated in January.
20:02 schuster Back to the marcedit 852/952 business. Can't you build a vb script with marcedit to do it?
19:47 ricardo brendan: Hi Brendan
19:46 brendan hello ricardo
19:45 ricardo Hi everyone! :)
19:29 jwagner OK, figured there must be some trickery around :-)
19:29 owen No, but if you're putting together an external script that passes biblionumbers to Koha you might
19:28 jwagner Hmm. Owen, how do you pass opac-detail no biblionumber? Can Koha do that???
19:25 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3784 normal, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, opac-detail with XSLT on fails if passed no biblionumber
19:25 owen Fine. Bug 3784.
19:19 munin owen: Error: "file" is not a valid command.
19:19 owen munin: file that bug for me okay?
19:19 owen The XSLT view of opac-detail.pl fails when passed no biblionumber.
19:17 pianohacker bbl, work
18:57 brendan .away
18:10 * chris_n hacks on a script chris wrote way back in dec 99
18:09 jwagner I've struggled a bit with MarcEdit & gotten it to do some of this, but it's painful.
18:08 jwagner I wouldn't mind something that could just translate item data -- set up a page & tell it the barcode is in the 852something, the call number is in the 852somethingelse, etc., now put them into Koha 952 format.
17:55 wizzyrea schuster: I'm not sure what I want to do... use marc edit to more effectively transform data into koha?
17:53 pianohacker chris.blog_post: very nice
17:50 chris ie actually scan the barcode
17:50 chris can you try SELECT * FROM items WHERE barcode='scan barcode here';
17:50 chris schuster: i suspect in the items table there is some weirdness, a hidden character or something, that is making it not match the barcode that is being scanned
17:49 chris http://community.eldis.org/.59cde77e <--- things like this keep me doing koha
17:44 schuster pianohacker - yes just these 7 from a larger order of about 150.
17:44 schuster Wizzyrea - what do you want to do ??? Just marc or other?
17:44 pianohacker schuster: is this only occurring on some items?
17:44 schuster Nope - I actually have 7 of these oddballs.
17:44 chris schuster: there isnt a space or something on the barcode?
17:41 wizzyrea (and only sometimes)
17:41 wizzyrea (sometimes I think we ask the web interface to do too much, but that's just me)
17:41 wizzyrea something that worked with marc edit instead of in the web interface of koha
17:40 wizzyrea I was thinking more along the lines of a koha specialized marc edit transformation tool
17:40 pianohacker something that people who have little familiarity with marc/koha could use to get their info in
17:40 schuster with marcedit. My presentation from KohaCon09
17:40 schuster wizzyrea - there is an api to link and search your catalog using Z39.50.
17:40 wizzyrea that's a pretty good dream.
17:39 wizzyrea did I dream that you could do plugins or modules for marc edit?
17:39 * pianohacker actually had a vague idea of some sort of koha-specialized marc transformation tool
17:39 schuster Strange problem - barcode shows on title when I do an ISBN search, but when I scan the barcode it says nothing found. When I mysql the itemnumber for barcode it shows the number on the book.
17:39 wizzyrea at the very least, silently failing is wrongggggg
17:38 wizzyrea hm, I would think that anything that makes it a little easier to do migrations would probably be welcome
17:38 pianohacker Hi schuster
17:38 chris hi schuster
17:37 schuster Hey all.
17:35 owen Hi schuster
17:34 chris id do about anything not to ever have to do one again
17:33 chris migrations suck
17:32 owen And hard to convince a vendor to do it out of the kindness of their hearts since migrations are (part of) their bread-and-butter.
17:31 wizzyrea probably a major rewrite :(
17:30 wizzyrea yes, that's good owen
17:25 owen Set a spell, jstancliff
17:21 owen If Stage one is fail with an error, then maybe Stage 2 is match with an existing code, and Stage 3 is offer code creation on the fly.
17:21 wizzyrea i exported from existing koha, and put it into a different, default koha.
17:20 wizzyrea is how I got into this situation
17:20 wizzyrea what's funny
17:19 wizzyrea libraries = ccodes/itypes/libraries
17:19 wizzyrea and would offer to create the libraries at the end?
17:19 wizzyrea so yea, that would be a good place to compare existing/new ccodes/itypes/libraries
17:18 wizzyrea how many items
17:18 wizzyrea It does some checking, it knows how many records there are
17:18 wizzyrea though I thought staging was merely uploading the file to the server
17:18 wizzyrea yea, checking for them could be part of the staging process
17:17 owen You'd have to analyze the data in order to check it for missing codes. Does that mean it's part of the staging process?
17:16 wizzyrea (and because he was usually right)
17:16 wizzyrea i wish atz were here, I'm sure he'd have a reason why not to suggest this :(
17:15 wizzyrea I'd say after, otherwise you'd have to parse the whole thing twice
17:15 wizzyrea would you do that before or after the actual import process?
17:14 wizzyrea owen++ that's a good idea
17:14 owen I picture showing a table of unknown codes alongside a drop-down of existing codes. Then you could either say "create" or say "use this existing one"
17:14 pianohacker oh, most definitely
17:14 wizzyrea I mean, silently failing is a bug
17:14 pianohacker Probably add that first, and then the automatic temp itemtypes feature
17:13 owen That's certainly a reasonable first step towards the ideal
17:13 pianohacker My first instinct is to fail and explain why
17:13 wizzyrea do any of you want that "create these CCODES/ITYPES/LIBRARIES" thing I was talking about earlier? is there a practical reason not to present that choice?
17:12 pianohacker bug bug bug
17:12 wizzyrea besides in the log
17:12 wizzyrea are we writing all of this down?
17:12 owen There ought to be a checkbox or something: "check here if your passwords are already md5'ed"
17:11 wizzyrea doh
17:11 owen "(if your passwords are already encrypted, talk to your systems administrator about options)"
17:11 owen I notice the patron import expects passwords to be plaintext
17:10 wizzyrea hehe ty
17:10 pianohacker (wanted to be sure :)
17:10 wizzyrea yea, I assumed that :)
17:10 owen Good test, whether your export and import round-trip without loss
17:10 pianohacker (you have to add a > export.sql to the mysqldump command)
17:10 wizzyrea right
17:10 pianohacker $ mysql -u kohaadmin -p koha < export.sql
17:10 wizzyrea I suppose if you can export that way, you could import again
17:10 pianohacker command line way would be
17:10 pianohacker Not sure
17:09 wizzyrea nope, that's good. You can import that again through the tool?
17:09 pianohacker Or did you want a GUI or summat like that
17:08 pianohacker $ mysqldump -u kohaadmin -p koha borrowers
17:08 wizzyrea (you can just say "go RTFM, nub.")
17:07 wizzyrea should I RTFM >.>
17:07 wizzyrea how does one export patrons from koha?
17:01 wizzyrea true
17:01 owen Or at least until Monday morning.
17:01 wizzyrea though that's probably only novel for the first few days
17:01 wizzyrea i'm for changing to NZ time
17:01 wizzyrea it's friday the 13th, I had a DNS server take a dive this morning (though it's running now, and I have backups) and I've totally mucked up my import that took 4 days to complete. Hrmph.
17:00 jwagner It's Saturday in New Zealand -- can we all move to that time zone real quick?
17:00 owen jwagner: I'm having that exact kind of day.
16:59 wizzyrea ph, yes, yes it would be
16:59 jwagner Now that would be nice.
16:59 pianohacker really, anything would be better than silently failng
16:59 wizzyrea you can configure them later
16:59 wizzyrea I want to be able to have koha present me a choice: hey, these itypes/ccodes/libraries don't exist, would you like to create them?
16:59 jwagner I take it other people besides me are having a "It's Friday, My Brain Doesn't Want To Do Any Work" kind of day.....
16:59 wizzyrea ok, let me revise
16:58 Ropuch lol
16:58 wizzyrea I love you guys
16:58 wizzyrea LOL
16:58 owen Right, Book is for books and BOOK is for audio books, because they're loud.
16:58 Ropuch hehe
16:58 jwagner Harrumph.
16:58 pianohacker But BOOK might have a slightly different meaning than Book! Why are you trying to oppress the poor librarians that want confusing itemtype codes?
16:57 wizzyrea pay no attention to that man behind the curtain
16:57 wizzyrea HEHE
16:57 jwagner Me?????
16:57 wizzyrea it was jwagner's idea ;)
16:57 wizzyrea oh don't you go blaming this all on me
16:56 owen next wizzyrea will tell us that "Tom Sawyer" shouldn't be filed under "Clemens"
16:56 jwagner But I Are Not A Librarian! I Are A Geek!
16:56 wizzyrea lol ph
16:56 pianohacker surely, the universe's end is upon us
16:56 pianohacker a librarian, arguing for slacker matching rules?
16:55 wizzyrea that too
16:55 jwagner In MY puny mind, Koha shouldn't be case-sensitive on policy names!
16:55 wizzyrea (big project, no one will pay, I know)
16:55 wizzyrea (and libraries, for that matter)
16:54 wizzyrea (in my puny mind, this shouldn't happen happen anyway. It ought to create missing CCODES and item types with default parameters that you can then set up)
16:53 owen Someone needs to sneeze at that panda!
16:51 jwagner Advice is always free, and occasionally correct :-)
16:50 wizzyrea or, the advisement
16:50 wizzyrea tyvm for the help jwagner
16:50 wizzyrea oh well
16:50 wizzyrea maybe I'll have to revert and reload :(
16:50 wizzyrea I thought I did that, I can't even click edit to modify the items
16:50 wizzyrea hurm
16:49 jwagner Snoozing pandas, yes.
16:48 * jwagner no sad pandas allowed -- see webcam at http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/GiantPandas/default.cfm
16:48 jwagner I've done that a couple of times too -- at that point creating the policy (to match the load file) might do the trick.
16:48 wizzyrea ah. I think my problem is the policies don't exist, or didn't at the time of load
16:47 jwagner wizzyrea, if the policies were created in Koha as uppercase, and I loaded them as lowercase, I just reverted the load (I usually load through Tools) and edited the records to be uc.
16:42 wizzyrea <- sad panda
16:42 wizzyrea :(
16:42 wizzyrea I can't seem to get it to work
16:42 wizzyrea just create the missing policy?
16:42 wizzyrea jwagner: when you got in your case/policy sticky, how did you resolve it?
16:39 kf but you dont need a verb
16:39 kf Ropuch: das Wochenende ;)
16:38 Ropuch (not sure if I can skip the verb) ;>
16:38 Ropuch kf: einen sch�nen Wochenende
16:38 munin sekjal: Karma for "munin" has been increased 3 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 0.
16:38 sekjal @karma munin
16:37 munin sekjal: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 12 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 11.
16:37 sekjal @karma sekjal
16:37 sekjal oh, I missed the karma party...
16:36 pianohacker bye, kf
16:35 kf ok, time to leave :) have a nice weekend all!
16:34 owen Jeff Bezos can make it up to all of us with free Kindles.
16:33 kf wizzyrea: amazon api changed a while ago - there should also be a new syspref with a strange key
16:33 * pianohacker gives Jeff Bezos effigy to wizzyrea to beat on for arbitrarily and frequently changing the API
16:33 owen wizzyrea: Yeah, I get reviews fine on my test instance, for the same item that lacks them on our live system.
16:32 wizzyrea yea, so poor. Just trying not to blow a gasket on an already fairly stressful day.
16:31 jdavidb poor wizzyrea!
16:30 * wizzyrea is having to do deep breathing exercises
16:30 wizzyrea <sarcasm></sarcasm>
16:30 wizzyrea sweet
16:29 owen yeah, wizzyrea, I wonder if we haven't gotten the update for that
16:29 wizzyrea oh, so maybe the API changed?
16:29 wizzyrea every time we click on the tab it says "there are no reviews available"
16:29 pianohacker I haven't seen any for a while, but that doesn't mean they're actually broken
16:29 owen wizzyrea: How so?
16:28 wizzyrea is amazon reviews broken?
16:28 jwagner But you have to admit it can be pretty cussed!
16:26 * pianohacker raises eyebrow, points at C4::Reserves::GetReserveFee
16:25 owen Correction: "obscure Perl" is redundant.
16:24 jwagner jdavidb++ another time for REALLY solving my current problem! (cussed obscure Perl code....)
16:23 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "kf" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
16:23 wizzyrea @karma kf
16:23 kf who I am and how many... ;)
16:23 munin wizzyrea: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 21 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 21.
16:23 wizzyrea @karma wizzyrea
16:21 Ropuch Karma party? ;>
16:21 munin kf: Karma for "cait_laptop" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
16:21 kf @karma cait_laptop
16:21 munin kf: cait has neutral karma.
16:21 kf @karma cait
16:20 munin kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
16:20 kf @karma kf
16:11 munin jwagner: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6.
16:11 jwagner @karma jdavidb
16:10 jwagner jdavidb++ so he won't pout while trying to solve my current problem :-)
16:09 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9.
16:09 jdavidb @karma jwagner
16:09 wizzyrea very interesting lesson learned
16:09 jwagner Been there, done that, got the t-shirt....
16:09 wizzyrea jwagner++ thank you
16:09 wizzyrea yes, in fact that is the problem
16:08 jwagner If you go into Edit Item on the title, do you see any items there?
16:08 wizzyrea I bet that's it
16:08 wizzyrea AH
16:08 jwagner Do the items have valid policies? It's case sensitive -- I've found that if I import something with a policy name in lowercase, but the policy was defined as uppercase, I get similar results.
16:08 wizzyrea run with a wrong switch?
16:08 wizzyrea did I muck up my indexing?
16:07 wizzyrea where did I go awry?
16:07 wizzyrea ok, I'm sure I have done something silly: I imported a bunch of records, indexed them, and I can find them, the results say there are items, but there seem to be no items attached to the bibs
16:04 chris_n of course, writing code does not require correct spelling, only consistent spelling
16:03 chris_n maybe the fact that I took spanish in high school (many moons ago) may excuse me
16:03 wizzyrea I hear he's a real spelling tyrant. ;) (j/k j/k)
16:02 wizzyrea hdl on the other hand...
16:02 chris_n hehe
16:02 wizzyrea (at least by me)
16:02 wizzyrea hey man, it's french. You're forgiven.
16:02 chris_n hdl: ie. a huge mistake
16:02 Ropuch Evening everobody
16:02 Ropuch [;
16:02 chris_n so much for my spelling ;-)
16:01 wizzyrea faux pas, I think
16:00 hdl fo paux ?
15:58 chris_n C4::Members::SearchMember appears to be another search fo paux
15:35 jwagner Drat. Have to do it in the Perl script, then. Thanks.
15:35 owen You can't check the value of the variable unless you use EXPR, which is discouraged
15:34 jwagner I'm blanking here -- what's the syntax to check the content of a TMPL_IF variable? e.g., <!--TMPL_IF NAME="varname" equals some value -->
15:33 * chris_n wonders how many times pagination code has been re-invented inside the entire koha code base :-\
15:31 brendan morning chris_n
15:31 chris_n g'morning brendan
14:53 jwagner owen, yes, that's what I was thinking. If you have an item type of STAFFONLY, you may not want to show it on the item type list in the advanced search, but you might not care if it happens to show in search results.
14:47 owen hdl and jwagner My understanding of the issue is that libraries don't want to highlight the categorization they use for internal purposes. I don't think the issue is hiding particular item types from the OPAC?
14:47 * pianohacker wonders when Microsoft will patent a _working_ sudo; runas rarely works, in my experience
14:44 hdl jwagner: it would be the same idea as hidelostitems
14:38 munin chris_n: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 days, 22 hours, 2 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> Nate: GPL v2 or later
14:38 chris_n @seen gmcharlt
14:36 chris_n if it all comes together it may be that 3.2 can be installed on win32 with "relative" ease early 2010
14:35 chris_n I also have to submit several patches to koha code
14:35 chris_n it is in the hopeful works atm and should make the Strawberry January 2010 release
14:35 chris_n that requires a patch to be applied to the original perl core code
14:34 chris_n there is one more matter that must be dealt with in Strawberry: GDBM_File must be added to the core
14:34 pianohacker it's like anything else on windows; if was easy and made sense the first time, you forgot something
14:33 * chris_n tries to remember how he did it ;-)
14:33 chris_n yup
14:32 pianohacker sounds like the 3.0 win32 installer is getting closer by the day :)
14:32 pianohacker hey, chris_n
14:32 chris_n howdy pianohacker
14:31 jwagner hdl, are you talking about hiding the biblios by using the opac suppression? That's not what we were trying to do. Using a table filter would be a better solution.
14:31 hdl http://ideamill.synaptrixgroup.com/jquery/tablefilter/tabletest.htm
14:30 hdl (javascript)
14:30 hdl jwagner: owen we could also use table filter to filter those itemtypes for display.
14:29 hdl jwagner, owen, in fact it would be quite "easy", provided you want to remove al the biblio and not only items of a certain type
14:25 pianohacker Ahh, if only
14:23 * owen wonders if Search.pm could be patched with a few bags of cement, just like a Horta
14:23 pianohacker (to paraphrase our friend mccoy)
14:22 pianohacker I'm a programmer, not a doctor!
14:22 jdavidb So far so good...busy world.
14:22 * owen was getting ready to apply for a faculty position in your college's art department
14:22 pianohacker Nope
14:22 owen Not Doctor pianohacker this morning?
14:22 pianohacker How goes it?
14:22 pianohacker Hi, David
14:21 jdavidb Hi, pianohacker!
14:21 pianohacker Good morning, all
13:45 jwagner Us too.
13:45 owen I've heard from libraries who wish they could hide certain item types from the advanced search screen.
13:45 jwagner kf, yes, that would be nice.
13:43 kf jwagner: sorry, I understand how your solution is supposed to work. What I meant there should be more options to let the library decide what shows up. some libraries may have many item types and some of them only for internal use. but I like your idea and what I miss sometimes is an option to limit to locations
13:41 jwagner kf, I don't think there's any way now to have certain item types not searchable. But I was going to have a syspref to control whether the second set (either itype or ccode depending on what's in the AdvancedSearchTypes syspref) actually does show up.
13:40 kf jwagner: some libraries may not want to make item types searchable, perhaps it should be checkboxes in a syspref or something like that
13:39 jwagner I looked at the code last night, and it shouldn't be too difficult to do.
13:38 jwagner Useful in general?
13:38 jwagner I was thinking of modifying the code & passing both loops to advanced search, and having whichever wasn't the primary show under More Options. Maybe with a syspref to control whether to use it or not.
13:38 owen jwagner: And it wasn't always that way
13:38 jwagner owen & anyone else, I was just floating an idea here with jdavidb. One of my sites would like options to search both by item type and collection code on the advanced search page. Right now it's either one or the other depending on the AdvancedSearchTypes sypref.
13:37 imp why does koha need ipc-cmd? just for installing?
13:36 jdavidb muahahaa!
13:36 * jwagner locks my door
13:36 * owen backs away
13:35 jwagner owen, jdavidb's had two doughnuts this morning -- don't provoke him!
13:35 munin imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is 11.0�C (2:20 PM CET on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
13:35 imp @wunder hannover, germany
13:35 * jdavidb grins evilly at owen
13:35 munin imp: Error: No such location could be found.
13:35 imp @wunder hanover
13:35 munin imp: Error: No such location could be found.
13:35 imp @wunder hannover
13:34 owen Between that and your last tweet jdavidb I'm starting to wonder...
13:33 * jdavidb raises an eyebrow.
13:33 munin jdavidb: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 11:05 PM, May 30, 2009)
13:33 jdavidb @quote random
13:32 tomascohen chris_n: thx!
13:31 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 28.0�C (10:00 AM ART on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
13:31 chris_n @wunder cordoba, argentina
13:31 munin tomascohen: Error: No such location could be found.
13:30 tomascohen @wunder 87344
13:30 tomascohen this will be the last one
13:27 tomascohen !
13:27 munin tomascohen: Error: No such location could be found.
13:27 tomascohen @wunder Cordoba, AG
13:24 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Potomac, Maryland is 11.3�C (8:14 AM EST on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Steady).
13:24 jwagner @wunder 20817
13:12 tomascohen :-P
13:12 munin tomascohen: Error: No such location could be found.
13:12 tomascohen @wunder cordoba
13:08 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 10.0�C (2:00 PM CET on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
13:08 kf @wunder konstanz
13:05 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 9.0�C (7:39 AM EST on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
13:05 chris_n @wunder 28334
11:48 paul_p2 (i'm afraid it's just something like "guy, we have money to spend, so we spend it, we will see after what we can do with it")
11:47 * chris_n2 goes to retrieve some breakfast
11:47 chris_n2 that situation seems to become "since I don't know what I need and you can't tell me, you must not provide quality service"
11:46 chris_n2 ha!
11:45 paul_p2 believe me or not but if you call this number... you reach a cheese shop ! not kidding !!!
11:45 chris_n2 it's bad when the customer does not know what they want
11:45 paul_p2 and best of the best: on the RFP, there is a phone number for the technical contact.
11:45 paul_p2 sometimes customers are silly...
11:44 paul_p2 (and the morning was not that good: we have a RFP asking for a server, with ILS, and other usage. When asking "what other usages do you need", we get "we don't know". How can we size the server then...
11:44 chris_n2 heh
11:44 paul_p2 no more morning in France, but g'morning to you, anyway ;-)
11:43 chris_n2 paul_p2: g'morning
11:42 munin paul_p2: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 days, 19 hours, 6 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> Nate: GPL v2 or later
11:42 paul_p2 @seen gmcharlt
11:42 munin paul_p2: chris_n was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 34 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <chris_n> chris: can you free my email from the list jail please :-)
11:42 paul_p2 @seen chris_n
11:42 munin paul_p2: Error: "logbot_backup:" is not a valid command.
11:42 paul_p2 @logbot_backup: seen chris_n
11:42 paul_p2 seen chris_n
10:34 kf imp: git or standard install?
10:33 kf imp: they are done when updating, you get the web installer interface, he says "need to update database" and its odne
10:32 imp if there are some changes that have to be done for the databases, it would be nice to know it before messing around
10:31 kf imp: update is not just overwriting, but cant find a manual right now. but its not difficult.
10:24 imp ohh noes, /all our basis belong to you/? ;)
10:24 imp updating via webif would be a nice feature ;)
10:23 hdl I only have german basis
10:23 imp heyho hdl
10:23 hdl hi
10:23 kf good morning hdl
10:23 hdl kf sorry
10:23 hdl ach detch gesprochen hier.... Sehr gut Für Koha ;) Es meint es ist "spreading all around the world".
10:20 kf update sollte kein problem sein
10:14 imp kann ich das alte einfach �berschreiben oder lieber sauber starten und nur die konfig importieren?
10:12 * imp muss mal sein koha updaten
10:11 imp hehe
10:10 kf irgendwie kann hier fast jeder ein bisschen deutsch, ich bin unschuldig ;)
10:07 imp die andere seite der erde schl�ft und wir sprechen nun deutsch hier? :D
10:06 kf guten morgen imp
10:05 imp moinsen
08:16 kf Guten morgen Ropuch :)
08:16 Ropuch Guten Tag, kf [;
08:14 kf good morning #koha
07:51 munin wizzyrea_mobile: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 12.2�C (1:49 AM CST on November 13, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Falling).
07:51 wizzyrea_mobile @wunder 66047
07:50 munin wizzyrea_mobile: Quote #24: "<kmkale> interesting word munin. in many indian languages we have a word munim who used to be a sort of accountant for all businessmen" (added by gmcharlt at 10:07 AM, August 07, 2009)
07:50 wizzyrea_mobile @quote random
07:50 munin wizzyrea_mobile: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with a new question????" (added by kf at 09:13 AM, June 12, 2009)
07:50 wizzyrea_mobile @quote random
07:48 wizzyrea_mobile Hi Ropuch
07:47 Ropuch Good morning #koha
07:47 wizzyrea_mobile joetho: What are you doing up so late?
06:23 rickw hello again
06:06 rickw .whois rickw
06:04 rickw of dentures
06:04 rickw we are migrating from 2.2.9 with attendant hair pulling and gnashings
06:04 rickw any Koha 3 expoerts here?
06:04 rickw heloo ...
04:59 shipley i wonder why there even exists a word for nothing. the meaning implys otherwise
04:58 shipley nom nom
04:44 pianohacker Good _night_
03:37 Amit heya pianohacker
03:37 pianohacker hello, Amit
03:34 Amit good morning #koha
03:34 Amit hi chris_n2, chris
03:15 pianohacker and good luck
03:14 pianohacker good night
03:14 chris_n2 g'night
03:14 chris_n2 ok, off to sleep
03:13 chris_n2 this must be the project to scare out bugs.... search works fine in staff-client, but not at all in opac
03:10 chris_n2 sorry for the shameless $self->patting_own_back()
03:09 * chris_n2 rewards himself with a night of going to sleep before 2am
03:09 chris_n2 awesome... imported 4k bibs... zebra indexed... searches work... wOOt...
03:08 pianohacker woah, very nice
03:05 chris_n2 on win32
03:04 chris_n2 zebra is indexing now
03:04 * chris_n2 dances a jig
03:03 chris_n2 one bib had 14 items attached... an encyclopedia of sorts
03:03 chris_n2 well, I just dropped two indexes on biblioitems and made isbn and issn mediumtext and the import went fine
03:02 pianohacker chris_n2: sounds very possible
02:39 * chris_n2 did not mean to scare off brendan ;-)
02:38 chris_n2 does that hold water?
02:38 chris_n2 and at least part of the bib/items is/are not imported due to bad error trapping
02:37 chris_n2 when the isbn fields are concatenated we easily exceed the varchar(30) field length
02:37 chris_n2 consider a bib with 13 items attached
02:36 chris_n2 it appears that when Biblio::_koha_add_biblioitem is called, the 952 fields are concatenated with pipe separators...
02:36 chris_n2 bibliotimes.isbn is a varchar(30)...
01:05 pianohacker bye brendan
01:05 chris cya later
01:03 brendan later dood's time to get out of the office :)
00:47 chris_n2 lol :-)
00:43 chris heh
00:43 * pianohacker should try rewriting Search.pm while staying very stern, might help
00:42 pianohacker haha
00:42 chris :)
00:42 chris its usually the opposite of serious
00:42 chris he's obviously never seen me at my computer keyboard then
00:42 brendan heh
00:41 pianohacker not quite sure what he meant, though I do look verah serious while playing apparently
00:41 pianohacker really kind of prosaic: piano teacher said I looked like I was at the computer keyboard while I was playing
00:40 brendan how'd you come up with pianohacker?
00:40 brendan ok time to ask the question
00:36 pianohacker that might be more fun to fix, I've always wanted to see one of those in action
00:35 chris_n2 that doesn't
00:35 chris_n2 an old player piano
00:35 * chris_n2 has one in his barn he'll donate to the cause
00:35 pianohacker finally, a use for the old, out-of-tune uprights that litter the nation
00:34 brendan and makes art
00:34 brendan dr_pianohacker uses a chainsaw
00:34 pianohacker hahaha
00:34 brendan missed my window
00:34 pianohacker anyway, back to what passes for normal
00:34 * chris_n2 imagines a white jacketed man with a hatchet standing over a piano
00:34 brendan dr_pianohacker++
00:33 chris_n2 heh
00:33 brendan err... known
00:33 dr_pianohacker not bad at all
00:33 pianohacker hmm
00:33 brendan Let it be know -- "Dr. Pianohacker"
00:33 pianohacker Or do I have him mixed up with abrams
00:33 pianohacker sounds like something from a joss whedon film
00:33 brendan I like it
00:32 chris_n2 has a bit of a ring to it
00:32 chris_n2 Dr. Pianohacker...
00:32 pianohacker accreditation might be problematic, but it sure sounds fun
00:32 brendan I think pianohacker instead of going to college -- should start his own college - Koha university with the first professor and chancellor being painohacker
00:32 chris yuck
00:31 pianohacker Authorized values, itemtype images, etc.
00:31 chris_n2 it appears that isbn's might be being only partly sanitized during export.... so I'm poking around where I've not been before
00:31 chris ahhh
00:31 pianohacker ::Koha's just kind of a dumping ground of miscellaneous, unloved and duplicative functions
00:31 chris koha i dont touch much
00:30 chris yeah search and language are my pet peeves
00:30 chris_n2 ::Search --
00:30 pianohacker you guys?
00:30 pianohacker ::Koha, ::Search and ::Language are the worst I can think of off the top of my head
00:29 chris hehe
00:29 chris_n2 hehe
00:29 brendan that should become the stock answer
00:29 pianohacker Biblio.pm isn't comparatively bad, tho
00:28 pianohacker Most of Koha older than about 2 years is in need of cleanup
00:27 chris_n2 is Biblio.pm in some need of cleanup?
00:07 hdl bye
00:02 chris_n2 heya brendan
00:02 brendan evening chris_n2