Time Nick Message 23:35 Ropuch Good evening & good night [; 23:34 chris_n2 g'evening 22:14 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (2:12 PM PST on November 12, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Falling). 22:14 brendan @wunder 93117 22:12 schuster bye 21:52 Ropuch chris: bah, I totally forgot about lib-web-cats 21:50 ricardo OK. Off I go. Bye people! 21:50 ricardo chris: Thank you, as well 21:50 ricardo hdl: Cool. Thank you very much! :) 21:50 hdl ricardo: I can 21:50 ricardo OK. I'm leaving to home now. Take care everyone! :) 21:46 chris there are 43 pages of them :) 21:46 chris and it will find all the koha - independent, koha - liblime, koha - ptfs etc 21:45 chris just type koha in the current automatiion system (dont choose any of the options just type koha) 21:45 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-search-advanced.pl 21:44 chris another list is at libwebcats lemme get it for ya 21:44 chris Ropuch: its one list of users 21:43 chris yeah, i meant to email you hdl, can we leave the pt-BR .po file out of the 3.0.5 release 21:43 ricardo hdl: Talking about weirdness, there's some weirdness related to "C4::Language" that affects the Portuguese pt-PT translation (mistakingly uses the very incomplete - specially for staff - pt-BR one). I talked with Chris about that and he suggested to remove the pt-BR translation, while he doesn't get around to "refactor" C4:Language. Right chris? 21:42 Ropuch ? 21:42 Ropuch http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers - is this a most comprehensive list of Koha users/ 21:39 sekjal time to head to the train. cheers, #koha 21:37 ricardo hdl: That's (very) fine by me. 21:36 hdl So I think it will have to wait next week 21:36 ricardo hdl: That's great! (please don't take this the wrong way, eheh) 21:36 hdl But some weirdness in french po and my work kept me out of this. 21:36 ricardo hdl:Hmmm... And do you still think that? 21:35 hdl ricardo: I thought I should release this week. 21:35 ricardo hdl: Cool. Thanks for the info :) 21:34 hdl hi ricardo 21:34 hdl ricardo I think so 21:33 ricardo Ropuch: That's cool. Good luck for your speech! :) 21:32 ricardo hdl: I'm around line 43000 in the Portuguese PO file. I think that I will have this wrapped up in a day or two. Would that be still on time for 3.0.5? 21:32 chris cool 21:32 Ropuch I don't feel like translating staff today, I'm preparing speech on Koha for open source conference ;> 21:32 chris yeah i just added sindhi the other day 21:31 ricardo hdl: Hi Henri! :) 21:31 chris hehe 21:31 ricardo Ropuch: Don't talk about languages, please. OK? I'm in "turbo mode" translating the Portuguese PO file for staff! ;-) 21:30 Ropuch Nice 21:30 Ropuch I've counted 75 languages on translate.koha.org 21:28 hdl quite a huge discovery in linguistics 21:26 pianohacker bbl 21:24 chris :) 21:24 hdl trinitary roots 21:23 hdl python, java ruby, javascript, fortran, ada, Haskell 21:23 pianohacker interesting to see unexpected connections between languages (like similar vowel pronunciation of spanish and japanese) 21:23 pianohacker linguistics is fun 21:21 Ropuch Yeah 21:20 chris it is a great skill to have ;) 21:20 chris some people have natural ability 21:19 Ropuch And he speaks good - I'm more than impressed 21:19 Ropuch We have a treinee from Germany at work: besides german he speaks french, little italian & spanish, english and after just one year of learning he's actually speaking polish 21:17 chris im the only one in my family that only speaks 2 languages hehe 21:17 chris my sister majored in chinese, and did a year doing her masters at shanghai university 21:16 chris (oh and english) 21:15 chris majored in russian at university, speaks italian, russian, german, and maori 21:15 sekjal chris: very cool 21:15 chris he is a licensed translator and interpreter 21:15 sekjal that semester was a headtrip 21:15 chris sekjal: you must talk with my dad then 21:15 sekjal I took a semester in college, same semester as my first programming course, and my advanced algebra 21:14 sekjal chris, Ropuch: this is great. I find linguisitics fascinating 21:14 Ropuch yes 21:14 sekjal Ropuch: ah, so the verb gender connects to the pronoun/noun gender 21:14 Ropuch owen: yep 21:13 Ropuch But there's not a hard rule for it 21:13 * owen remembers the same from his Czech lessons 21:13 Ropuch He went, She went, it went 21:13 Ropuch sekjal: it does matter in past forms: On poszed�, Ona posz�a, Ono posz�o 21:12 chris here endeth the lesson 21:12 chris also, even though you are dominant over food, you would say toku kai ... because food is so important 21:11 chris but toku whakaaro, for my thoughts 21:11 chris is i would say taku he, for my mistake 21:11 chris one gotcha 21:10 chris drop the t, for plural 21:10 sekjal Ropuch: what is the difference between the male and female forms of a verb? when would I use one over the other? 21:09 chris (both are singular) 21:09 hdl reading back logs 21:09 chris tÅku is neutral form 21:09 chris taku hÄ“ = my mistake 21:08 ricardo Portuguese has genders in its language (as do most "latin" languages, I think - Spanish, Italian, French...) 21:08 Ropuch As "Gdyby zechcial Pan/Zechcia�a pani" 21:08 chris tÄku for my/mine when the possessor is dominant 21:08 Ropuch When posting forms we're forced to add male/female versions 21:07 Ropuch Lucky you 21:07 chris but we have different possessives 21:07 chris we dont really have gendered anything 21:07 Ropuch sekjal: ;> 21:07 hdl (batch deletes I mean) 21:06 hdl shuter already done 21:06 ricardo2 Mibbit is not as stable today as it usually is 21:06 chris koha is a noun or a verb 21:06 ricardo2 (grumble...) 21:05 sekjal Ropuch: interesting! ::takes note:: 21:05 Ropuch We have gendered verbs in polish 21:04 chris no note gendered nouns 21:04 Ropuch So she's a girl for me ;> 21:03 chris :) 21:03 sekjal perhaps this will make it easier for me to pick up Maori by next year 21:03 sekjal which I always found a source of confusion when I was studying German. 21:02 sekjal according the collective wisdom that is a naive Google search, Maori generally does not have gendered nouns. 21:01 Ropuch I guess 21:00 richard not that i'm aware of but chris will be your best bet there 21:00 Ropuch Well, as it ends with 'a' I treated her liek a girl ;-) 20:59 Ropuch I wonder 20:59 sekjal does Maori have gendered nouns? 20:58 richard it virtually means "gift" but i'm not sure if that has any male/female connections 20:57 Ropuch What kind (male/female) of noun is "Koha"? [; 20:57 sekjal jwagner: will do! 20:57 jwagner Gotta head home now -- keep me posted & let me know if you want what I've done. 20:57 sekjal I'd just need to hardcode our SFX root URL, and then have the JS pluck up the ISBN/ISSN from the bibliorecord 20:56 jwagner I just coded it around the 856u in the XSLT templates. 20:56 jwagner (I did both ISBN and ISSN for this site at their request) 20:56 sekjal my original plan was to dump the SFX menu URL into the biblioitems.uri field (MARC21's 856), but rethinking it, that's not strictly necessary 20:56 jwagner er, ISSN for SFX that is. 20:55 jwagner I turned on the COINS thing, but that apparently only works if someone has a browser plugin. This site wanted the link always on for all their users. 20:55 jwagner Might be at that -- I'm no JS wizard. I go for the brute force approach :-) 20:55 sekjal jwagner: that might be neat. we were thinking some JS overtop might be the least invasive way to do it quickly 20:54 jwagner Would there be general interest in the work I did to make a link from Koha to SFX? I hard coded it in the template, but it wouldn't be hard to set it up as a syspref to enter the URL, then wrap it around the ISBN. 20:54 ricardo sekjal: Gotta love TLAs... Thanks for the info :) 20:53 sekjal ricardo: no, we're talking about Ex Libris' OpenURL resolver 20:53 jwagner About two jobs ago I worked on an install of SFX/Metalib, and Ex Libris was pretty willing to work with us on setting stuff up, and including it in future general releases if appropriate. They might still be open to that. 20:52 ricardo sekjal: SFX? We're not talking about "Sound Effects", are we? 20:52 sekjal jwagner: yes, we figure it won't be too hard to create an SFX target to connect to Koha; it's missing amongst the ILS Targets already in SFX, and that should not persist 20:50 chris hehe 20:50 ricardo chris: I hope that the two creatures lying down had their lunch *before* that pic ;-) 20:49 jwagner awwwwww 20:49 ricardo (one of the good things of being Portuguese is that it's easy to understand *some* Latin, even without having learned it, eheh) 20:48 Ropuch chris: ;-) 20:48 chris http://twitpic.com/p9gd4 <-- wellington zoo today 20:48 jwagner sekjal, re SFX -- I've done a little work with setting Koha to link to SFX, but haven't gone the other way. Shouldn't be too hard -- just put in the URL prefix and isbn=whatever. 20:47 chris good work sherlock holmes :) 20:47 Ropuch chris: yes, he's from Societas Apostolatus Catholici 20:45 owen (That's what ate my 2000-era email archive) 20:45 owen outlook_express-- # for long_term_email_storage 20:45 ricardo pianohacker: Hmm.... I'm not sure I know that nick ;-) 20:44 pianohacker long_term_email_storage++ 20:44 chris wow i found an email from him from august 2000 20:42 chris heh 20:41 ricardo2 chris: There's also another religious "Benedict"... but I think that one works in the Vatican and not in a Monastery ;-) 20:38 chris Ropuch: if i remember right Benedykt was from a monastery 20:38 sekjal trying to document the process by which we're going to connect our SFX Open Linker Resolver to Koha 20:38 Ropuch I wonder what they are doing nowadays 20:37 chris so polish guys were very early in the history of koha 20:37 sekjal sorry, was gliffing 20:37 sekjal hi, chris and brendan 20:37 Ropuch I just want to mention them, it's brief history ;> 20:37 chris uly 12 2001 Pawel Skuza becomes the 2nd committer outside of Katipo, and 6th overall and commits his translation script 20:36 chris March 6 2002 Paul becomes the 7th committer to Koha 20:36 chris February 22 2002 Paul Poulain sends an email saying he will work on Koha 20:36 chris June 24 2001 Pawel Skuza working on a script to automate translations translation 20:35 chris June 23 2001 Benedykt P. Barszcz working on translations translation, community, poland 20:35 Ropuch Thanks 20:35 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=docs/history.txt; 20:34 chris the most accurate one is the history.txt in git 20:34 Ropuch hehehe 20:34 chris yeah they beat him 20:33 Ropuch I will happily mention polish guys, but I want to be acurate [; 20:33 schuster and teeth! I feel mine rotting daily! 20:33 pianohacker halloween candy is a danger to society and waistlines 20:33 Ropuch chris: I'm just translating some Koha history into polish, on wiki I've read "In 2001, Paul Poulain (of Marseille, France) began adding new features to Koha, most significantly support for multiple languages.", on your blog Benedykt P. Barszcz and Pawel Skuza are meant to "start the translation ball rolling" 20:32 jwagner schuster -- saw the comment about making jdavidb quit eating donuts. That's not the problem :-) But for the past week or so he's been in my office raiding my leftover Halloween candy! 20:31 chris cool 20:31 schuster chris et al - granular wasn't turned on so they didn't show... few. 20:31 chris hiya sekjal 20:30 brendan hello sekjal 20:23 jdavidb It's possible I might get a few branches tossed over the wall this weekend, depending on how a couple of things go between now and then. 20:23 schuster True chris. 20:23 chris typing fail 20:23 schuster jwagner - would you go over and make him quit eating donuts... 20:22 chris schuster: id rather that than the oppositie ;-) 20:22 brendan good luck jdavidb 20:22 jdavidb <--the bottleneck. 20:22 schuster boy chris may have his work cut out for him with 3.4 if all that development drops at the same time. 20:22 brendan jdavidb any update on a public repo for PTFS 20:22 pianohacker jdavidb: awesome 20:22 jdavidb We've been hacking on it some, and as soon as that worthless geek who does that (me) gets his head above water, it'll be out on the street. 20:21 pianohacker jdavidb (or jwagner when she gets back)? 20:21 schuster curious what happens with the few granular permissions that I have right now and what will happen when I get updated to 3.2... 20:21 pianohacker not sure when it will be submitted 20:21 pianohacker PTFS did some work in that realm also 20:21 chris lemme find it for ya 20:21 chris i think biblibre have done some work on it though as well 20:21 chris lek happened 20:21 schuster What happened with granular permissions?? I poked and don't see anything on the borrower record. 20:20 * brendan has had a bunch of coffee this morning :) throwing lots of karma around 20:20 schuster karma chris++ 20:20 brendan open development++ 20:20 schuster :) 20:19 owen :) 20:19 * chris does all development in the open 20:18 chris but ill submit the patches up so people can use it, and it will go in to master as soon as 3.2 is branched 20:18 chris it will miss the cut for 3.2 (we are in feature freeze already) 20:18 chris yep, for albany senior high school, im rolling it out there in the next week or so 20:18 * brendan reads back :) 20:17 schuster chris that is way cool! 20:17 brendan chris where is this coming from - is this your development 20:17 chris | 2 | 4 | 108069 | 2 | 20:17 chris | 1 | 4 | 68692 | 2 | 20:17 chris +----+------------+------------+-----------+ 20:17 chris | id | biblio_one | biblio_two | hit_count | 20:17 chris +----+------------+------------+-----------+ 20:17 chris all it stores is this 20:17 chris and you would have some decent data 20:17 chris then after running it for a few montsh, you could switch it on in the opac 20:16 brendan howdy owen 20:16 chris so if it was run before the circ data was anonymised 20:16 brendan recommendations++ 20:16 brendan nice nice 20:16 chris too slow to calculate on the fly 20:16 chris yep, cron job runs nightly, that updates the recommendations 20:15 owen Neat. And that's based on circ data? 20:15 chris schuster: im sure it could 20:15 chris owen: click the recommendations tab 20:15 chris http://opac.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=4 20:14 schuster I wonder if you could use something very similar for batch deletes? 20:14 schuster That works pretty good. Thanks for sharing chris. 20:12 ricardo Hi everyone! :) 20:11 chris excuse the slowness, the machine it is on is currently running 38 virtual servers 20:11 chris http://opac.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=fish <-- that is kete integration 20:11 chris prolly cant be used so good with us libraries that anonymise checkouts, not in its current form 20:10 * chris will pull it up for ya 20:10 owen Recommendations feature? 20:10 chris as well as kete integration 20:10 chris it has my nearly finished recommendations feature 20:09 chris will get you a copy of it 20:09 chris git clone git://git.catalyst.net.nz/koha.git 20:09 chris is what it is running 20:09 chris http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master 20:08 chris check your pm schuster :) 20:06 schuster do you have a login we can play with? 20:05 chris works pretty good 20:04 chris http://librarian.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/tools/batchMod.pl 20:00 chris it might be a little bit different 20:00 chris lemme find it for ya 20:00 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3509 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Batch item edit 19:59 brendan bug 3509 19:59 chris im not sure if its in master yet 19:59 chris i have it running on my catalyst demo, another biblibre one 19:59 chris yeah it exists 19:59 * brendan goes to look through bugs 19:58 brendan I thought I heard word of something 19:58 brendan does anyone know of a status for a bulk item editor 19:58 chris of the conference 19:58 chris looks like it was a good first day 19:58 chris hehe 19:57 wizzyrea awww 19:57 brendan so tag -- you're it #koha 19:57 brendan doesn't like it when my co-workers are traveling -- don't have anyone to talk with :) 19:49 chris hiya hdl 19:47 brendan NZ++ 19:47 wizzyrea beer++ 19:46 hdl hi brendan 19:46 brendan hi hdl 19:46 hdl hi chris 19:46 brendan pubs++ 19:44 chris :) even 19:44 chris thats quite an nz experience :( 19:44 chris but we could watch a game at a sports pub 19:44 chris nz will be touring the northern hemisphere handing out beatdowns to france, italy, england etc 19:44 wizzyrea hrmph 19:44 chris its summer, so rugby will only be on tv 19:43 chris cricket will def be on 19:42 * wizzyrea would like to watch rugby, even though sports are not normally her thing. 19:41 brendan or any rugby? 19:41 brendan are there going to be any cricket matches in NZ around the time we'll be there for kohacon 19:40 brendan whoops -- root 19:40 brendan Still need to route from them :) 19:40 chris http://www.cricinfo.com/pakvnz2009/content/current/story/434285.html 19:39 chris we suck 19:38 brendan how goes the cricket 19:38 brendan wb chris 19:36 richard hiya chris' 19:36 chris back 19:36 richard hi brendan 19:36 brendan good day richard 19:35 richard hi 18:58 |Lupin| see you soon all 18:58 |Lupin| gotta go 18:57 |Lupin| chris: ok, thanks a lot for the info, very good to know ! 18:57 brendan typed english is failing me at the moment :) 18:56 brendan errrr... I'll 18:56 brendan so I've vote for earlier in November 18:55 brendan I've been watching the quantas deals and it seems that's close to good window for travel. Anything that gets close to Thanksgiving time here -- the prices shot way up 18:55 chris ok now i have to catch my bus 18:55 chris the moment 18:55 chris jdavidb: check out virgin australia, seems to be cheap at 18:54 chris but most likely 15,16,17 november 2010 18:54 chris 8,9,10 18:54 chris so may be the week before 18:54 chris (wont go later than that, dont want to get to close to thanksgiving in the US) 18:54 chris should be in a week or so 18:54 chris then i will confirm 18:53 chris i have 4 more quotes to receive 18:53 chris those dates or ones similiar 18:53 chris 15, 16, 17 november 18:53 chris tentative 18:53 pianohacker Yes 18:53 chris jdavidb: i found one 1049 lax->akl retn 18:53 |Lupin| is there a date that has been decided for the next conf already ? 18:52 pianohacker you're welcome :) 18:52 |Lupin| pianohacker: ok jesse, thanks a lot for this both concise and informative response :) 18:51 pianohacker |Lupin|: on search results it comes from the holding tags in the MARC, on detail pages it comes from the items table; and yes 18:50 schuster Funny my mibbit has deals to NZ starting at $798! quantas and Air NZ 18:49 |Lupin| are you guys taling about the prices of planes to NZ because of the conference ? 18:49 |Lupin| does anyone know how the number of items displayed in OPAC result pages is computed ? I assume it's from the number of rows in the items table with the same biblionumber... ? 18:48 jdavidb $2300 from the DC area, right now, round-trip. Lordy. 18:48 schuster Yep. 18:43 * jdavidb can't type today. Auckland, of course. 18:43 jdavidb LAX and Aukland, for the stops, schuster? 18:42 schuster hmmm $1400USD right now from DFW to Wellington 2 stops - not bad. 18:30 chris bbiab 18:19 chris so booking a flight all the way through, doesnt save you much, unless it is cheaper :) 18:19 chris so getting to auckland for cheap is the best bet :) you do have to pick up your luggage and clear customs there anyway 18:18 chris there are tons and tons of akl->wlg flights 18:16 jwagner I've driven in England -- guess I can remember the trick of it. But I hope the roads are a bit wider than some of the English country roads. 18:15 jdavidb :) I can do that. 18:15 chris just keep left :-) 18:15 chris its a nice drive 18:15 chris *nod* 18:15 jdavidb No biggie, then, for those of us used to that. I'd rather take a night, and make a mini vacation out of it. 18:15 chris or 55 mins in a plane :) 18:14 chris if you dont stop 18:14 chris jdavidb: its about 10 hours in a car 18:14 chris be warned that will add a few hours to your trip (going thru sydney) 18:14 jwagner Yeah, travel is generally painful. But going to New Zealand might be worth it. 18:14 * jdavidb debates the fun of arriving in Auckland and *driving* to Wellington. 18:13 chris *nod* 18:13 jwagner I did some checks for flights and some were connecting through Sydney to Wellington 18:13 chris jwagner: ahh yeah, that would be bad 18:13 chris or there are direct flights australia to wellington 18:13 chris auckland, and christchurch are the 2 major international airports 18:12 chris three maybe 18:12 chris yep you really only have 2 options 18:12 schuster Might be good to put that info on the wiki too. 18:12 schuster At one point you recommended a particular airport etc... I was looking the other day and Aukland was a major airport with a transfer to Wellington I believe... Comments? 18:12 jwagner the problem is that I have arthritis rather badly (and also need a knee replacement) -- I have real trouble sitting in an airplane seat for that long, even with getting up and moving around occasionally. 18:11 chris just get an aisle seat so you can walk around is my tip 18:11 chris so im used to it 18:11 chris the flight is really not that bad anymore, now you have the seatback entertainment its much better, course i have done that flight about 30 times now 18:08 jwagner Dreams are SO much nicer than reality.... 18:08 chris yup 18:08 chris_n chris: can you free my email from the list jail please :-) 18:07 chris_n jwagner: lol 18:06 chris hehe 18:06 jwagner chris, I had a dream the other night that I was on the plane for Kohacon in NZ, first class seat, big smile on my face, looking forward to the trip despite the long flight. The bell dinged for the pilot to say you could move around the cabin now, except horrid reality intruded and it was my alarm clock instead :-( 18:05 chris i hope to hear back from more venues soon, would love to confirm dates and venue 18:04 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2010wellington#travel_tips 18:04 chris and adding travel tips 17:56 chris 20/20 17:55 brendan test match 17:54 * chris is watching nz vs pakistan in cricket 17:42 brendan of course 17:42 schuster That's who I have emailed so am waiting to hear from her. Thanks for your time. 17:41 brendan there 17:41 brendan Yes Stephanie Chase was their 17:41 schuster brendan - ok thanks - this was in regards to KUDOS in the US and someone that was at ALA annual. I think it was the director from stowe 17:41 brendan he was at kohacon 17:40 brendan is Richard Pritsky 17:40 brendan schuster the best person to talk with at vokal 17:40 chris git makes that easy 17:40 schuster aq/qa sorry. 17:40 chris own systems in sync 17:40 schuster So will the aq and wrangler have their own systems that are "in sync" with the RM? theoretically or will they all be working off the same system? 17:40 chris which will allow them more time to do other things, and should hope in faster turnaround on patches 17:39 chris that takes 2 jobs off the RM 17:39 chris that's why it is in fantastic that for 3.4 we are going to have a bug wrangler and a qa manager 17:39 schuster I would suspect that is the hardest thing to determine are the side effects. 17:39 chris the main thing is testing for unintended side effects 17:38 brendan cool will go read in the Logs 17:38 chris unless it is a one or 2 line template change 17:38 schuster brendan yes. 17:38 brendan was it on IRC 17:38 chris schuster: always more than you think 17:38 brendan sweet 17:38 schuster hi brendan... I was looking for you earlier, but got my answer. 17:38 pianohacker schuster: varies 17:38 chris craploads 17:37 schuster So again Librarian here... how much time on the release managers part does it take to "applies and tests" just one patch and say it is a simple thing nothing elaborate like HOLDS redo or anything. 17:37 pianohacker hi brendan 17:37 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.7�C (9:36 AM PST on November 12, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Rising). 17:37 brendan @wunder 93117 17:37 brendan morning schuster, pianohacker, chris, and everyone else 17:36 chris it is a perfect example of what happens when patches arent either sent or applied in a timely manner, and what is gonna happen on a much bigger and much more annoying scale, when liblime finally decide in 2020 to release their lek code 17:35 pianohacker chris and I are working on that at the moment 17:34 chris with pianohacker's ajaxcirc work, the patches were out of date, so had to be brought back up to date and fixed, before they can be resubmitted 17:34 chris some time later a release is made, containing not just that feature/bugfix but a bunch of others 17:33 chris so you develop, test locally, send a patch, the release manager applies and tests, if it is ok, pushes it to the main git repo 17:30 chris the release manager has to apply it to the branch in git it is applicable to 17:30 chris when someone sends a patch 17:30 schuster OK so I made that word up, but you get my question? 17:30 chris i said merged 17:29 chris hmm i dont think i said packaged 17:28 schuster Idea, design, develop, test, revise, package?, git, release? or what is the flow and the steps. 17:28 Ropuch Good evening 17:27 schuster There have been references in the past that "packaging" after developing something can take some time to do - so I am just trying to understand how the full Development cycle works. 17:26 schuster I also talked about the work pianohacker had done and was posted on the wiki and chris indicated there again about "installing and packaging it"... 17:26 schuster yesterday I asked about the 3.2 and the merging bibs - and chris indicated it needed to be "packaged" and I don't really understand what/how that works. 17:25 pianohacker schuster: I don't know if there's a document per se 17:24 |Lupin| wizzyrea: do you intend to participate ? 17:24 schuster As a librarian I don't understand this full tech part - so was wondering if there is a document or something that can explain how a developed "patch" submitted to git gets "packaged" etc... I may have the cart before the horse, but don't know. Just in theory. 17:23 chris heya schuster, hows texas? 17:23 schuster Hey... chris et. al.. 17:17 pianohacker morning chris 17:17 chris hiya owen 17:15 owen Hi chris 17:14 chris morning 16:52 schuster drat - was wanting a contact for the Vermont group. 16:52 schuster Brendan here? 16:43 pianohacker hey 16:43 owen Hi pianohacker 16:43 pianohacker Hi 16:21 reiko now all i need is to understand how i am going to add those 16:20 hdl mmm could be 16:19 reiko hdl, can it be that the auth types i can't get search results from need to be defined here aswell? 16:17 reiko wow, its a big file 16:14 hdl authority-zebra-indexdefs 16:14 reiko authority-zebra-indexdefs or koha-indexdefs-to-zebra ? 16:13 hdl in your index.xsl 16:13 reiko where do i need to add that? 16:13 reiko that explains 114 when searching with any 16:13 reiko ah ! 16:13 hdl sorry Add that 16:12 hdl You have to use that. 16:12 hdl Any is not defined in DOM mode 16:12 reiko but it isn't workin 16:12 reiko yeay! 16:12 hdl If so, you are using DOM. 16:12 reiko it does 16:12 hdl And see if it refers to authorities-dom.cfg 16:12 hdl And see if it refers to authorities-dom.xml 16:12 hdl reiko: you can check koha-conf.xml 16:10 kf ok - time to leave work :) have a nice day/morning/evening everybody 16:04 reiko i think, how can i check that hdl? 16:03 reiko hdl DOM 15:54 hdl reiko: are you using DOM or GRS1 configuration ? 15:39 chris_n Colin: tnx 15:38 Colin If you just want a couple of commits you can use git cherry-pick 15:37 Colin chris_n: yes 15:34 chris_n git gurus: can I 'git merge working_branch testing_branch' to merge "test" work back into my working branch? 15:30 wizzyrea |Lupin| International KohaCon is going to be in New Zealand, I'm pretty sure 15:29 Colin reiko: You night want to look at the zebra config files for a later release. I'm sure there was a fix applied for it 15:26 |Lupin| is there a Koha conference planned for next year ? 15:26 |Lupin| I was wondering... 15:21 reiko thank you wizzyrea 15:21 wizzyrea (though I'm sorry I don't have an answer for your question) 15:20 wizzyrea nah, we like abuse :) 15:17 reiko hi, sorry for abusing of this channel to ask questions but i can't find a solution for my problem: i'm running koha 3.00.01 and i'm having problems with authorities search: 1.Koha won't retrieve results for 3 of the 5 auth types we have 2. When i search for authorities using the parameter "all headings" i get an error 114 (attribute not suported), which probably refers to attr 1=Any. 15:09 jdavidb first-screen-listed article, too, not some back-of-beyond link. 15:08 wizzyrea nice! 15:08 wizzyrea LOL! 15:06 * jdavidb saw "skeeved" used in the Washington Post today, and though of wizzyrea, who was the first person he ever saw use it at all. 14:58 Ropuch I've just read that MS want to patent sudo ;> 14:50 |Lupin| kf: thanks anyway ! 14:50 |Lupin| kf: yeah it's definitely related to imports, that's how I came to it... I was just trying to clarify how... 14:48 kf perhaps its related to staged marc import? or import? (not very sure here) 14:47 kf hm. 14:46 |Lupin| kf: so the Breeding.pm module would be a kind of context ? 14:46 kf Lupin: context? 14:45 |Lupin| or perhaps give a tranlsation in french ? 14:45 |Lupin| I'm wondering what "breeding" means... can somebody explain, pls ? 14:43 kf good morning chris_n 14:27 chris_n g'morning 14:25 paul_p hdl: on peut skyper 2mn ? 14:25 Ropuch kf: thanks 14:25 owen The sad thing is I know why the message had to start that way... Some people just can't seem to restrain themselves. 14:24 kf Ropuch: I will check if our Z39.50 is accessible for you 14:24 paul_p and good morning/afternoon/evening/night everybody 14:24 jwagner reminds me of some test notes I used with message creation -- being excessively grumpy one day, I set up a note that read "Patron is a PITA" (meaning Pain In The Ass). 14:24 paul_p owen: lol 14:24 kf :) 14:22 owen I love it when I see notes on a patron's account that start this way: "DO NOT READ THIS NOTE OUT LOUD" 14:20 kf we have something like 'worldcat format' without $0 $w (ids for authority / title linking), DNB withoug ISBD punctuation and for ILS (which is for Koha with ISBD punctuation and $0, $w etc.) 14:19 Ropuch Noticed it now 14:19 kf I am speaking of MARC21 14:18 Ropuch We had 2 few years ago, but national library managed to switch to MARC21 14:17 kf Ropuch: hm, problem is, we already have 3 MARC21 formats here 14:14 kf Ropuch: you know, there are several union catalogs in Germany, I work for SWB, but not sure if MARC21-Z39.50 is already publicly available 14:14 Ropuch kf: sure 14:13 kf Ropuch: oh, can you give me the date for that one? 14:13 Ropuch kf: what german z3950 server can you recommend? I'm using z3950.gbv.de atm 14:12 jwagner Thanks, we'll do some experimenting on it. 14:11 hdl jwagner: Maybe you should set CircControl to PickupLibrary in your cas rather than ItemHomeLibrary in your case 14:11 Ropuch Polish use of MARC21 is creepy sometimes 14:11 Ropuch Hm, correspondence in x subfield instead of v 14:10 kf jwagner: I think there is also a new syspref for reserves in head, with similar choices 14:10 jwagner I seem to remember it also affects holds and circ rules. Have to do some testing.... Thanks. 14:09 owen jwagner: I only find references to that preference in Circulation.pm and fines.pl, FWIW 14:08 kf but I think the calendar uses it too (I think I saw it in the code for notices/fines) 14:07 kf I have only 1 branch per installation (and glad about it) , so I never tested it 14:06 jwagner kf, you're right -- the circcontrol syspref is set to item home library. What are the implications of changing that to patron library? I think it has broader effects than just due dates. 14:06 kf I think the syspref CircControl is used for things like that 14:05 jwagner I'm not sure -- I wanted to get input from people who have more experience with multi-branch systems than I do. 14:05 kf CircControl 14:05 owen Sounds like a bug... Wouldn't you always want the due date to be set according to the issuing branch? 14:03 jwagner We have a library where patrons can borrow items belonging to any branches, but the branches are closed different days than the main library. This is resulting in different due dates for items checked out on the same day, because one item belongs to main & another to a branch. 14:02 jwagner question for people on calendars and branches -- it looks the the system obeys the calendar of the branch _owning_ the item when checking it out (for closed dates, etc.), rather than the calendar of the patron. Is that the case, and is there a way to change it? 13:58 jdavidb You bet. :) Glad I could be of service. 13:58 Roger Yes, thank you very much for your help! 13:57 jdavidb Oh, yeah, it's been done plenty. I suggest looking at this page on the koha wiki: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohaonwindows 13:56 Roger have you heard about this was already done before? 13:55 Roger I don't need more than this, my library is very small 13:55 Roger indeed I wanted to install it in a simple windows xp 13:54 Roger ok 13:54 jdavidb It can be done; it has been done. It's *not* easy or trivial, as I understand it. I have not ever done it, myself. 13:53 Roger I just wanna know.. can I install koha in a windows server? 13:52 Roger Ok 13:52 jdavidb Several who might be able to, Roger, depending on the problem. 13:51 Roger Hi there! There is someone who can help me? I have a simple doubt. 13:42 |Lupin| Kivutar: I see... 13:41 jwagner good morning Nate & everyone. 13:40 Nate good morning #Koha! 13:40 Kivutar |Lupin|: not released yet, it is not finished and I must say I am not proud of how I coded it =/ 13:37 |Lupin| Kivutar (or nicomo?): is the MARC21toUNIMARC.xsl file mentionned in your code available somewhere ? 13:36 Kivutar that would be great 13:35 Kivutar and we could do the same thing for pdf generation with xsl-fo :) 13:34 Kivutar |Lupin|: not with the current version, but if we choose to use xslt for convertion, then they will be able 13:33 |Lupin| Kivutar: you mean they can with the curent version of Koha ? 13:32 Kivutar |Lupin|: if they want to specify the url for a MARC21toDANMARK.xlst they can 13:32 |Lupin| Kivutar: so for you some flexibility has to be left to the user regarding the way the mapping is done... 13:32 Kivutar |Lupin|: first they don't need to upload, just specify an url 13:32 |Lupin| Kivutar: ah but I think I understand your point... it's because not every body will want to do the mapping the same way, right ? 13:31 |Lupin| Kivutar: why should users have to upload something ? as I see it this converter should be integrated into Koha... 13:31 Kivutar I think it does 13:30 |Lupin| Kivutar: hmm... for somehting intended to be integrated to Koha, I'm not sure requiring an additional dependency over an XSLT processor is more interesting than having a native Perl translator... unless Koha already depends on an XSLT processor for something ? 13:30 Kivutar for the same result (and more code) you get security 13:29 Kivutar but you can let them specify an xslt url 13:29 Kivutar you can't let users upload perl scripts on your server right? 13:29 Kivutar the good thing with xslt is its portability 13:29 Kivutar good question 13:28 |Lupin| Kivutar: what I don't really understand: why would this be preferable to just write something in Perl using the MARC::Record and MARC::Field modules ? wouldn't that be just lighter and easier to integrate to Koha ? 13:28 Kivutar |Lupin|: http://pastebin.com/m609a935d 13:28 |Lupin| Kivutar: yep. 13:27 Kivutar |Lupin|: yes, using an XSLT processor 13:26 |Lupin| Kivutar: so when a record arrives, ou'd store it in MARCXML, transform it with the xslt, and then reload it... right ? 13:25 Kivutar it'is a transformation language, you can get its output 13:25 nicomo_laptop XSLTransform 13:24 Kivutar |Lupin|: xslt is not 'just for display' :) 13:24 |Lupin| Kivutar: I don't understand why it is an xslt thing you did... for us we don't want to convert just for display... we want to convert when the records are sent by the Z39.50 server and then store them in Unimarc in Koha... 13:23 |Lupin| Kivutar: ok this page is one thing, but is there some code that could be used to translate one into the other ? 13:23 Kivutar and we started a marc21tounimarc.xslt 13:22 Kivutar |Lupin|: http://www.loc.gov/marc/unimarctomarc21.html 13:19 nicomo_laptop Ask Kivutar, I think he started something on this 13:18 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: I think the mapping is documented on loc.gov... 13:18 |Lupin| So, a conversion tool would not be too difficult to write, would it ? 13:18 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: I see... 13:18 nicomo_laptop authorities are different 13:18 nicomo_laptop on the biblio level, it's just permutation of fields/subfields 13:17 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: is it just a matter of permutation of fields and subfields, or are there deeper semantic differences ? 13:17 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: I'm trying to understand how far the two dialects are from each other 13:16 nicomo_laptop I've been looking for that, but have not found any so far. I did not search thoroughly, though 13:15 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: and do you think there are conversions tools outside of Koha, open-source tools that I could tr to integrate somewhere somehow ? 13:14 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: ok... 13:14 nicomo_laptop that being said, now that we have a unimarc xslt, and a marc21 xslt we could theoretically do something on the fly 13:13 nicomo_laptop it uses the default framework and tries to enter data in that 13:12 nicomo_laptop as far as I gather, yes 13:12 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: so if one attempts to do that, what happens ? fields are copied "blindly", so, say, MARC21 field 800 becomes unimarc field 800, no matter the semantics ? 13:11 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: hmm! thanks :) 13:04 nicomo_laptop |Lupin| not that I know of, there's no format translation on the fly 12:56 |Lupin| is it possible with a Koha in Unimarc to receive and impor records in MARC21 from a Z39.50 server ? does Koha handle this correctly ? 12:46 kf back 12:01 CGI597 connection hung there, couldn't refresh.....anyway, I still didn't solve the OPACURL problem 11:58 kf lunch time - bbl :) 11:52 kf Ropuch: :) 11:49 Ropuch [p; 11:49 Ropuch kf: that is not a problem at all: I have lots of german speaking people around, pro translators and native geramn speaker included 11:48 kf Ropuch: my notes are in German, but I think you can just copy the code to sysprefs 11:47 kf Ropuch: email sent 11:46 Ropuch kf: let me learn some basic first :) 11:46 Ropuch Actually he's speaking polish very good after only one year course 11:45 kf Ropuch: cool :) you can train a little with me too :) 11:45 Ropuch We have a trainee in Centrum, he's learning polish, so we can help each other 11:44 Ropuch I've just ordered Deutsch-Polnisches Sprachtandem : Aufgaben und Tipps f�r Anf�nger 11:41 Ropuch kf: thank you :) 11:41 kf Ropuch: thank you! 11:41 kf Ropuch: its still in our non-public wiki - but I am working on a public documentation too - its just a time problem. will send you a pdf as email 11:41 Ropuch I will inlude sshot from your library in my presentation for sure [; 11:40 Ropuch kf: it would be great 11:40 Ropuch I wonder if any polsih commercial ILS can do this [; 11:40 kf Ropuch: I can send you a German howto 11:40 Ropuch kf: now I have working example 11:38 kf CGI597: which version of Koha are u using? is XSLt-display on? 11:38 kf Ropuch: its a simple solution, most code is the html table 11:36 Ropuch kf: I haven't noticed the onscreen hebrew keyboard on your opac before - I want to introduce koha to roclaw Study of Jewish Culture and Languages and I'm sure they will ask about hebrew titles 11:23 |Lupin| k, editor in 260... 11:19 |Lupin| I assume there is no way, else Koha would deal with that by itself... 11:19 |Lupin| hmm ok... given a marc record, is there a way to figure out which flavour it is, which encoding is used for the characters, etc. ? 11:14 Ropuch CGI597: you have any value after Online resources: ? 11:14 |Lupin| CGI597: did you find an answer for your URL problem ? 11:13 |Lupin| (a power failure actually) 11:13 |Lupin| back ! sorry, had network problems 11:03 CGI597 Even more strange. I have done this and it still opens in the same window. 11:02 Ropuch Setting OPACURLOpenInNewWindow works for me - the urls are opened in new windows 11:02 Ropuch You will know then when to look for it ;> 11:02 Ropuch Like that 11:02 Ropuch <div class="results_summary"><span class="label">Online resources: <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="OPACURLOpenInNewWindow" --></span> 11:01 CGI597 anywhere in that file? 11:00 Ropuch Put <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="OPACURLOpenInNewWindow" --> somewhere on opac-detail and see what it will show 10:59 CGI597 yeah, strange. It's there on mine too. 10:58 CGI597 from the opac-detail? I'll check 10:57 Ropuch It's from my template 10:57 Ropuch <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="OPACURLOpenInNewWindow" --><a href="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->" title="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->" target="_blank"><!-- TMPL_ELSE --><a href="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->" title="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->"><!-- /TMPL_IF --> 10:57 Ropuch Hm 10:57 CGI597 um, it is on already but still opens in the same window 10:57 Ropuch Guess I need coffee more than I thought 10:56 CGI597 that easy!? super, will try that. 10:56 Ropuch [; 10:56 Ropuch Just set the OPACURLOpenInNewWindow sypref ON 10:56 CGI597 even better! 10:55 Ropuch Ypu don't have to ,mess with tmpl 10:55 Ropuch I totally forgiot 10:55 CGI597 for what 10:55 CGI597 ok 10:55 Ropuch Wait 10:55 Ropuch wair 10:55 Ropuch aaa 10:55 CGI597 cool, thanks 10:54 Ropuch opac-detail.tmpl 10:52 CGI597 Oh, never thought of that. I can try and find it, but don't suppose you know which tmpl file offhand, do you? opac-results maybe? 10:50 Ropuch CGI597: you can tweak the .tmpl to do this 10:50 CGI597 I am getting confused!!! Are you helping me with the question I asked about opening in a new window? 10:50 |Lupin| CGI597: trying to figure out the right syntax for the server :) 10:49 |Lupin| CGI597: no, a web link. In Koha you can say that a field contains a link, and if that is specified Koha will make it possible to click on the link... go to the cataloguing framewok array, search for your field and you shold be able to activate it as a link 10:49 CGI597 You saved a MARC record from a Z39.50 server? What are you trying to do with it? 10:48 |Lupin| CGI597: I'm not sure... I get a MARC thing from a Z39.50 server and I'm not sure of the flavour... 10:48 CGI597 Link? Do you mean link an Authority link? 10:48 |Lupin| CGI597: does Koha know that the field is a link ? (cf. cataloguing framework...) 10:47 Ropuch Yep 10:47 CGI597 Well, 245 is a (one) title tag, yes. Is that what you mean? 10:46 |Lupin| is that MARC21 style ? 10:46 |Lupin| could somebody pls tell me in which marc flavour the title is in 245 ? 10:45 |Lupin| question for librarians 10:42 CGI597 Trying to get the 856 tag (Online Resources) text to be linkable but open in another windows. I have tried adding some html into the feild but this won't work,. Does anyone know if this can be done? 10:26 |Lupin| good night chris 10:23 Ropuch Good night 10:23 Ropuch Hm, due to dns issues it's actually the only web services that works form me now ;> 10:23 * chris goes to bed 10:23 chris have a good day europe :) 10:22 chris ok, good night 10:22 Ropuch Yea, I know :) 10:22 chris ahh that makes sense, im about 1million :) 10:21 Ropuch I'm only 1k kliometers from Bergen ;> 10:20 chris i think that's a sign i should go to sleep 10:19 chris i couldnt get it to work 10:19 Ropuch Livestream from Bergen is pretty good 09:41 Ropuch Thanks chris 09:40 chris http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flibriotech.no%2Fnode%2F22&tl=en in english 09:40 chris http://libriotech.no/node/22 09:39 chris http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flibriotech.no%2F&tl=en 09:37 Ropuch Thanks 09:36 chris lemme see if i can find it 09:35 Ropuch Is there an agenda for the conference? I'd like to post a news about it on polish librarian forum 09:22 * |Lupin| booting Windows... biam 09:21 |Lupin| hello kf ! 09:18 kf hi |Lupin| 09:16 |Lupin| good day folks ! 09:08 kf Guten Tag Ropuch 09:07 chris hi Ropuch 09:07 Ropuch s/tag/Tag 09:07 Ropuch Guten tag kf, hello chris 09:07 Ropuch [; 09:06 kf chris: me too :) 09:04 chris http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23fribib09 09:04 * chris is watching the twitter coverage of nengard speaking 08:51 chris ahhh 08:49 paul_p chris: just going to negociate a line of 100k€ ;-) 08:48 chris ahh good luck, in case u need it 08:47 * paul_p leave for 2 hours, meeting with bank... 08:47 paul_p chris: no. 08:45 chris paul_p: did you know sebastien chabal is doing advertisements in nz, for a sports store ... i just saw it on tv 08:19 kf hi Nahuel 08:19 nahuel hi kf 08:19 nahuel http://k-int.blogspot.com/2008/05/exposing-solr-services-as-z3950-server.html 08:17 kf morning #koha 07:46 hdl hi 06:44 Ropuch Morning #koha 04:03 * chris_n2 heads off to find sleep 04:03 chris_n2 my problem is every time I find a bug I want to fix it immediately 04:00 * chris_n2 is the farthest thing from a marc guru :-P 04:00 chris yeah galen or thd 03:59 chris_n2 galen? 03:59 chris_n2 there also seems to lack some normalization 03:59 chris im not sure, i think you need someone who understands marc more than i do 03:59 chris_n2 should the export/import routine handle this case? 03:59 chris sounds like it might be 03:59 chris_n2 maybe a bug? 03:59 chris ah 03:58 chris_n2 chris: the issue appears to be with bibs with multiple 020 fields 03:53 brendan good day to you 03:53 brendan Hi Amit 03:53 Amit heya brendan 03:37 chris hmm i wouldnt have thought so, but maybe the export mucked something up 03:36 chris_n2 chris: should I expect to encounter some problems when exporting records from one koha install and importing them into another? 03:35 * chris_n2 is up too late again 03:35 chris_n2 hello Amit 03:34 Amit good morning #koha 03:34 Amit hi chris_n2, chris 03:06 chris_n2 coming up with things like: 8476452438 (v.1) | 8476453221 (v.2) 03:05 chris_n2 bulkmarcimport seems to botch the isbn up even more 03:05 chris_n2 which should be 0802452965 03:05 * chris_n2 sees some things like: 0802452965 (v. 03:05 chris i dont know for sure 03:04 chris its plausible 03:04 chris_n2 chris: is there some sort of regex filtering of the isbn before it is inserted into the biblioitems table? 02:44 chris *nod* 02:43 chris_n2 so that is what the warn is telling me? 02:43 chris missing bib numbers? or bib numbers in the wrong field? 02:42 chris_n2 rted_records 753800 02:42 chris_n2 18:35:20-11/11 [log] error grs.marcxml.record C:\DOCUME~1\Me\LOCALS~1\Temp\UPfnH9F7VQ/biblio/expo 02:42 chris_n2 18:35:20-11/11 [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 02:42 chris_n2 any thoughts on what the problem might be here: 00:07 Nate goodnight # Koha! 00:00 mason awwww, thanks ian