Time Nick Message 00:00 mason awwww, thanks ian 00:07 Nate goodnight # Koha! 02:42 chris_n2 any thoughts on what the problem might be here: 02:42 chris_n2 18:35:20-11/11 [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 02:42 chris_n2 18:35:20-11/11 [log] error grs.marcxml.record C:\DOCUME~1\Me\LOCALS~1\Temp\UPfnH9F7VQ/biblio/expo 02:42 chris_n2 rted_records 753800 02:43 chris missing bib numbers? or bib numbers in the wrong field? 02:43 chris_n2 so that is what the warn is telling me? 02:44 chris *nod* 03:04 chris_n2 chris: is there some sort of regex filtering of the isbn before it is inserted into the biblioitems table? 03:04 chris its plausible 03:05 chris i dont know for sure 03:05 * chris_n2 sees some things like: 0802452965 (v. 03:05 chris_n2 which should be 0802452965 03:05 chris_n2 bulkmarcimport seems to botch the isbn up even more 03:06 chris_n2 coming up with things like: 8476452438 (v.1) | 8476453221 (v.2) 03:34 Amit hi chris_n2, chris 03:34 Amit good morning #koha 03:35 chris_n2 hello Amit 03:35 * chris_n2 is up too late again 03:36 chris_n2 chris: should I expect to encounter some problems when exporting records from one koha install and importing them into another? 03:37 chris hmm i wouldnt have thought so, but maybe the export mucked something up 03:53 Amit heya brendan 03:53 brendan Hi Amit 03:53 brendan good day to you 03:58 chris_n2 chris: the issue appears to be with bibs with multiple 020 fields 03:59 chris ah 03:59 chris_n2 maybe a bug? 03:59 chris sounds like it might be 03:59 chris_n2 should the export/import routine handle this case? 03:59 chris im not sure, i think you need someone who understands marc more than i do 03:59 chris_n2 there also seems to lack some normalization 03:59 chris_n2 galen? 04:00 chris yeah galen or thd 04:00 * chris_n2 is the farthest thing from a marc guru :-P 04:03 chris_n2 my problem is every time I find a bug I want to fix it immediately 04:03 * chris_n2 heads off to find sleep 06:44 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:46 hdl hi 08:17 kf morning #koha 08:19 nahuel http://k-int.blogspot.com/2008/05/exposing-solr-services-as-z3950-server.html 08:19 nahuel hi kf 08:19 kf hi Nahuel 08:45 chris paul_p: did you know sebastien chabal is doing advertisements in nz, for a sports store ... i just saw it on tv 08:47 paul_p chris: no. 08:47 * paul_p leave for 2 hours, meeting with bank... 08:48 chris ahh good luck, in case u need it 08:49 paul_p chris: just going to negociate a line of 100k€ ;-) 08:51 chris ahhh 09:04 * chris is watching the twitter coverage of nengard speaking 09:04 chris http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23fribib09 09:06 kf chris: me too :) 09:07 Ropuch [; 09:07 Ropuch Guten tag kf, hello chris 09:07 Ropuch s/tag/Tag 09:07 chris hi Ropuch 09:08 kf Guten Tag Ropuch 09:16 |Lupin| good day folks ! 09:18 kf hi |Lupin| 09:21 |Lupin| hello kf ! 09:22 * |Lupin| booting Windows... biam 09:35 Ropuch Is there an agenda for the conference? I'd like to post a news about it on polish librarian forum 09:36 chris lemme see if i can find it 09:37 Ropuch Thanks 09:39 chris http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flibriotech.no%2F&tl=en 09:40 chris http://libriotech.no/node/22 09:40 chris http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flibriotech.no%2Fnode%2F22&tl=en in english 09:41 Ropuch Thanks chris 10:19 Ropuch Livestream from Bergen is pretty good 10:19 chris i couldnt get it to work 10:20 chris i think that's a sign i should go to sleep 10:21 Ropuch I'm only 1k kliometers from Bergen ;> 10:22 chris ahh that makes sense, im about 1million :) 10:22 Ropuch Yea, I know :) 10:22 chris ok, good night 10:23 chris have a good day europe :) 10:23 * chris goes to bed 10:23 Ropuch Hm, due to dns issues it's actually the only web services that works form me now ;> 10:23 Ropuch Good night 10:26 |Lupin| good night chris 10:42 CGI597 Trying to get the 856 tag (Online Resources) text to be linkable but open in another windows. I have tried adding some html into the feild but this won't work,. Does anyone know if this can be done? 10:45 |Lupin| question for librarians 10:46 |Lupin| could somebody pls tell me in which marc flavour the title is in 245 ? 10:46 |Lupin| is that MARC21 style ? 10:47 CGI597 Well, 245 is a (one) title tag, yes. Is that what you mean? 10:47 Ropuch Yep 10:48 |Lupin| CGI597: does Koha know that the field is a link ? (cf. cataloguing framework...) 10:48 CGI597 Link? Do you mean link an Authority link? 10:48 |Lupin| CGI597: I'm not sure... I get a MARC thing from a Z39.50 server and I'm not sure of the flavour... 10:49 CGI597 You saved a MARC record from a Z39.50 server? What are you trying to do with it? 10:49 |Lupin| CGI597: no, a web link. In Koha you can say that a field contains a link, and if that is specified Koha will make it possible to click on the link... go to the cataloguing framewok array, search for your field and you shold be able to activate it as a link 10:50 |Lupin| CGI597: trying to figure out the right syntax for the server :) 10:50 CGI597 I am getting confused!!! Are you helping me with the question I asked about opening in a new window? 10:50 Ropuch CGI597: you can tweak the .tmpl to do this 10:52 CGI597 Oh, never thought of that. I can try and find it, but don't suppose you know which tmpl file offhand, do you? opac-results maybe? 10:54 Ropuch opac-detail.tmpl 10:55 CGI597 cool, thanks 10:55 Ropuch aaa 10:55 Ropuch wair 10:55 Ropuch Wait 10:55 CGI597 ok 10:55 CGI597 for what 10:55 Ropuch I totally forgiot 10:55 Ropuch Ypu don't have to ,mess with tmpl 10:56 CGI597 even better! 10:56 Ropuch Just set the OPACURLOpenInNewWindow sypref ON 10:56 Ropuch [; 10:56 CGI597 that easy!? super, will try that. 10:57 Ropuch Guess I need coffee more than I thought 10:57 CGI597 um, it is on already but still opens in the same window 10:57 Ropuch Hm 10:57 Ropuch <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="OPACURLOpenInNewWindow" --><a href="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->" title="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->" target="_blank"><!-- TMPL_ELSE --><a href="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->" title="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="MARCURL" -->"><!-- /TMPL_IF --> 10:57 Ropuch It's from my template 10:58 CGI597 from the opac-detail? I'll check 10:59 CGI597 yeah, strange. It's there on mine too. 11:00 Ropuch Put <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="OPACURLOpenInNewWindow" --> somewhere on opac-detail and see what it will show 11:01 CGI597 anywhere in that file? 11:02 Ropuch <div class="results_summary"><span class="label">Online resources: <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="OPACURLOpenInNewWindow" --></span> 11:02 Ropuch Like that 11:02 Ropuch You will know then when to look for it ;> 11:02 Ropuch Setting OPACURLOpenInNewWindow works for me - the urls are opened in new windows 11:03 CGI597 Even more strange. I have done this and it still opens in the same window. 11:13 |Lupin| back ! sorry, had network problems 11:13 |Lupin| (a power failure actually) 11:14 |Lupin| CGI597: did you find an answer for your URL problem ? 11:14 Ropuch CGI597: you have any value after Online resources: ? 11:19 |Lupin| hmm ok... given a marc record, is there a way to figure out which flavour it is, which encoding is used for the characters, etc. ? 11:19 |Lupin| I assume there is no way, else Koha would deal with that by itself... 11:23 |Lupin| k, editor in 260... 11:36 Ropuch kf: I haven't noticed the onscreen hebrew keyboard on your opac before - I want to introduce koha to roclaw Study of Jewish Culture and Languages and I'm sure they will ask about hebrew titles 11:38 kf Ropuch: its a simple solution, most code is the html table 11:38 kf CGI597: which version of Koha are u using? is XSLt-display on? 11:40 Ropuch kf: now I have working example 11:40 kf Ropuch: I can send you a German howto 11:40 Ropuch I wonder if any polsih commercial ILS can do this [; 11:40 Ropuch kf: it would be great 11:41 Ropuch I will inlude sshot from your library in my presentation for sure [; 11:41 kf Ropuch: its still in our non-public wiki - but I am working on a public documentation too - its just a time problem. will send you a pdf as email 11:41 kf Ropuch: thank you! 11:41 Ropuch kf: thank you :) 11:44 Ropuch I've just ordered Deutsch-Polnisches Sprachtandem : Aufgaben und Tipps f�r Anf�nger 11:45 Ropuch We have a trainee in Centrum, he's learning polish, so we can help each other 11:45 kf Ropuch: cool :) you can train a little with me too :) 11:46 Ropuch Actually he's speaking polish very good after only one year course 11:46 Ropuch kf: let me learn some basic first :) 11:47 kf Ropuch: email sent 11:48 kf Ropuch: my notes are in German, but I think you can just copy the code to sysprefs 11:49 Ropuch kf: that is not a problem at all: I have lots of german speaking people around, pro translators and native geramn speaker included 11:49 Ropuch [p; 11:52 kf Ropuch: :) 11:58 kf lunch time - bbl :) 12:01 CGI597 connection hung there, couldn't refresh.....anyway, I still didn't solve the OPACURL problem 12:46 kf back 12:56 |Lupin| is it possible with a Koha in Unimarc to receive and impor records in MARC21 from a Z39.50 server ? does Koha handle this correctly ? 13:04 nicomo_laptop |Lupin| not that I know of, there's no format translation on the fly 13:11 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: hmm! thanks :) 13:12 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: so if one attempts to do that, what happens ? fields are copied "blindly", so, say, MARC21 field 800 becomes unimarc field 800, no matter the semantics ? 13:12 nicomo_laptop as far as I gather, yes 13:13 nicomo_laptop it uses the default framework and tries to enter data in that 13:14 nicomo_laptop that being said, now that we have a unimarc xslt, and a marc21 xslt we could theoretically do something on the fly 13:14 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: ok... 13:15 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: and do you think there are conversions tools outside of Koha, open-source tools that I could tr to integrate somewhere somehow ? 13:16 nicomo_laptop I've been looking for that, but have not found any so far. I did not search thoroughly, though 13:17 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: I'm trying to understand how far the two dialects are from each other 13:17 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: is it just a matter of permutation of fields and subfields, or are there deeper semantic differences ? 13:18 nicomo_laptop on the biblio level, it's just permutation of fields/subfields 13:18 nicomo_laptop authorities are different 13:18 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: I see... 13:18 |Lupin| So, a conversion tool would not be too difficult to write, would it ? 13:18 |Lupin| nicomo_laptop: I think the mapping is documented on loc.gov... 13:19 nicomo_laptop Ask Kivutar, I think he started something on this 13:22 Kivutar |Lupin|: http://www.loc.gov/marc/unimarctomarc21.html 13:23 Kivutar and we started a marc21tounimarc.xslt 13:23 |Lupin| Kivutar: ok this page is one thing, but is there some code that could be used to translate one into the other ? 13:24 |Lupin| Kivutar: I don't understand why it is an xslt thing you did... for us we don't want to convert just for display... we want to convert when the records are sent by the Z39.50 server and then store them in Unimarc in Koha... 13:24 Kivutar |Lupin|: xslt is not 'just for display' :) 13:25 nicomo_laptop XSLTransform 13:25 Kivutar it'is a transformation language, you can get its output 13:26 |Lupin| Kivutar: so when a record arrives, ou'd store it in MARCXML, transform it with the xslt, and then reload it... right ? 13:27 Kivutar |Lupin|: yes, using an XSLT processor 13:28 |Lupin| Kivutar: yep. 13:28 Kivutar |Lupin|: http://pastebin.com/m609a935d 13:28 |Lupin| Kivutar: what I don't really understand: why would this be preferable to just write something in Perl using the MARC::Record and MARC::Field modules ? wouldn't that be just lighter and easier to integrate to Koha ? 13:29 Kivutar good question 13:29 Kivutar the good thing with xslt is its portability 13:29 Kivutar you can't let users upload perl scripts on your server right? 13:29 Kivutar but you can let them specify an xslt url 13:30 Kivutar for the same result (and more code) you get security 13:30 |Lupin| Kivutar: hmm... for somehting intended to be integrated to Koha, I'm not sure requiring an additional dependency over an XSLT processor is more interesting than having a native Perl translator... unless Koha already depends on an XSLT processor for something ? 13:31 Kivutar I think it does 13:31 |Lupin| Kivutar: why should users have to upload something ? as I see it this converter should be integrated into Koha... 13:32 |Lupin| Kivutar: ah but I think I understand your point... it's because not every body will want to do the mapping the same way, right ? 13:32 Kivutar |Lupin|: first they don't need to upload, just specify an url 13:32 |Lupin| Kivutar: so for you some flexibility has to be left to the user regarding the way the mapping is done... 13:32 Kivutar |Lupin|: if they want to specify the url for a MARC21toDANMARK.xlst they can 13:33 |Lupin| Kivutar: you mean they can with the curent version of Koha ? 13:34 Kivutar |Lupin|: not with the current version, but if we choose to use xslt for convertion, then they will be able 13:35 Kivutar and we could do the same thing for pdf generation with xsl-fo :) 13:36 Kivutar that would be great 13:37 |Lupin| Kivutar (or nicomo?): is the MARC21toUNIMARC.xsl file mentionned in your code available somewhere ? 13:40 Kivutar |Lupin|: not released yet, it is not finished and I must say I am not proud of how I coded it =/ 13:40 Nate good morning #Koha! 13:41 jwagner good morning Nate & everyone. 13:42 |Lupin| Kivutar: I see... 13:51 Roger Hi there! There is someone who can help me? I have a simple doubt. 13:52 jdavidb Several who might be able to, Roger, depending on the problem. 13:52 Roger Ok 13:53 Roger I just wanna know.. can I install koha in a windows server? 13:54 jdavidb It can be done; it has been done. It's *not* easy or trivial, as I understand it. I have not ever done it, myself. 13:54 Roger ok 13:55 Roger indeed I wanted to install it in a simple windows xp 13:55 Roger I don't need more than this, my library is very small 13:56 Roger have you heard about this was already done before? 13:57 jdavidb Oh, yeah, it's been done plenty. I suggest looking at this page on the koha wiki: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohaonwindows 13:58 Roger Yes, thank you very much for your help! 13:58 jdavidb You bet. :) Glad I could be of service. 14:02 jwagner question for people on calendars and branches -- it looks the the system obeys the calendar of the branch _owning_ the item when checking it out (for closed dates, etc.), rather than the calendar of the patron. Is that the case, and is there a way to change it? 14:03 jwagner We have a library where patrons can borrow items belonging to any branches, but the branches are closed different days than the main library. This is resulting in different due dates for items checked out on the same day, because one item belongs to main & another to a branch. 14:05 owen Sounds like a bug... Wouldn't you always want the due date to be set according to the issuing branch? 14:05 kf CircControl 14:05 jwagner I'm not sure -- I wanted to get input from people who have more experience with multi-branch systems than I do. 14:06 kf I think the syspref CircControl is used for things like that 14:06 jwagner kf, you're right -- the circcontrol syspref is set to item home library. What are the implications of changing that to patron library? I think it has broader effects than just due dates. 14:07 kf I have only 1 branch per installation (and glad about it) , so I never tested it 14:08 kf but I think the calendar uses it too (I think I saw it in the code for notices/fines) 14:09 owen jwagner: I only find references to that preference in Circulation.pm and fines.pl, FWIW 14:10 jwagner I seem to remember it also affects holds and circ rules. Have to do some testing.... Thanks. 14:10 kf jwagner: I think there is also a new syspref for reserves in head, with similar choices 14:11 Ropuch Hm, correspondence in x subfield instead of v 14:11 Ropuch Polish use of MARC21 is creepy sometimes 14:11 hdl jwagner: Maybe you should set CircControl to PickupLibrary in your cas rather than ItemHomeLibrary in your case 14:12 jwagner Thanks, we'll do some experimenting on it. 14:13 Ropuch kf: what german z3950 server can you recommend? I'm using z3950.gbv.de atm 14:13 kf Ropuch: oh, can you give me the date for that one? 14:14 Ropuch kf: sure 14:14 kf Ropuch: you know, there are several union catalogs in Germany, I work for SWB, but not sure if MARC21-Z39.50 is already publicly available 14:17 kf Ropuch: hm, problem is, we already have 3 MARC21 formats here 14:18 Ropuch We had 2 few years ago, but national library managed to switch to MARC21 14:19 kf I am speaking of MARC21 14:19 Ropuch Noticed it now 14:20 kf we have something like 'worldcat format' without $0 $w (ids for authority / title linking), DNB withoug ISBD punctuation and for ILS (which is for Koha with ISBD punctuation and $0, $w etc.) 14:22 owen I love it when I see notes on a patron's account that start this way: "DO NOT READ THIS NOTE OUT LOUD" 14:24 kf :) 14:24 paul_p owen: lol 14:24 jwagner reminds me of some test notes I used with message creation -- being excessively grumpy one day, I set up a note that read "Patron is a PITA" (meaning Pain In The Ass). 14:24 paul_p and good morning/afternoon/evening/night everybody 14:24 kf Ropuch: I will check if our Z39.50 is accessible for you 14:25 owen The sad thing is I know why the message had to start that way... Some people just can't seem to restrain themselves. 14:25 Ropuch kf: thanks 14:25 paul_p hdl: on peut skyper 2mn ? 14:27 chris_n g'morning 14:43 kf good morning chris_n 14:45 |Lupin| I'm wondering what "breeding" means... can somebody explain, pls ? 14:45 |Lupin| or perhaps give a tranlsation in french ? 14:46 kf Lupin: context? 14:46 |Lupin| kf: so the Breeding.pm module would be a kind of context ? 14:47 kf hm. 14:48 kf perhaps its related to staged marc import? or import? (not very sure here) 14:50 |Lupin| kf: yeah it's definitely related to imports, that's how I came to it... I was just trying to clarify how... 14:50 |Lupin| kf: thanks anyway ! 14:58 Ropuch I've just read that MS want to patent sudo ;> 15:06 * jdavidb saw "skeeved" used in the Washington Post today, and though of wizzyrea, who was the first person he ever saw use it at all. 15:08 wizzyrea LOL! 15:08 wizzyrea nice! 15:09 jdavidb first-screen-listed article, too, not some back-of-beyond link. 15:17 reiko hi, sorry for abusing of this channel to ask questions but i can't find a solution for my problem: i'm running koha 3.00.01 and i'm having problems with authorities search: 1.Koha won't retrieve results for 3 of the 5 auth types we have 2. When i search for authorities using the parameter "all headings" i get an error 114 (attribute not suported), which probably refers to attr 1=Any. 15:20 wizzyrea nah, we like abuse :) 15:21 wizzyrea (though I'm sorry I don't have an answer for your question) 15:21 reiko thank you wizzyrea 15:26 |Lupin| I was wondering... 15:26 |Lupin| is there a Koha conference planned for next year ? 15:29 Colin reiko: You night want to look at the zebra config files for a later release. I'm sure there was a fix applied for it 15:30 wizzyrea |Lupin| International KohaCon is going to be in New Zealand, I'm pretty sure 15:34 chris_n git gurus: can I 'git merge working_branch testing_branch' to merge "test" work back into my working branch? 15:37 Colin chris_n: yes 15:38 Colin If you just want a couple of commits you can use git cherry-pick 15:39 chris_n Colin: tnx 15:54 hdl reiko: are you using DOM or GRS1 configuration ? 16:03 reiko hdl DOM 16:04 reiko i think, how can i check that hdl? 16:10 kf ok - time to leave work :) have a nice day/morning/evening everybody 16:12 hdl reiko: you can check koha-conf.xml 16:12 hdl And see if it refers to authorities-dom.xml 16:12 hdl And see if it refers to authorities-dom.cfg 16:12 reiko it does 16:12 hdl If so, you are using DOM. 16:12 reiko yeay! 16:12 reiko but it isn't workin 16:12 hdl Any is not defined in DOM mode 16:12 hdl You have to use that. 16:13 hdl sorry Add that 16:13 reiko ah ! 16:13 reiko that explains 114 when searching with any 16:13 reiko where do i need to add that? 16:13 hdl in your index.xsl 16:14 reiko authority-zebra-indexdefs or koha-indexdefs-to-zebra ? 16:14 hdl authority-zebra-indexdefs 16:17 reiko wow, its a big file 16:19 reiko hdl, can it be that the auth types i can't get search results from need to be defined here aswell? 16:20 hdl mmm could be 16:21 reiko now all i need is to understand how i am going to add those 16:43 pianohacker Hi 16:43 owen Hi pianohacker 16:43 pianohacker hey 16:52 schuster Brendan here? 16:52 schuster drat - was wanting a contact for the Vermont group. 17:14 chris morning 17:15 owen Hi chris 17:17 chris hiya owen 17:17 pianohacker morning chris 17:23 schuster Hey... chris et. al.. 17:23 chris heya schuster, hows texas? 17:24 schuster As a librarian I don't understand this full tech part - so was wondering if there is a document or something that can explain how a developed "patch" submitted to git gets "packaged" etc... I may have the cart before the horse, but don't know. Just in theory. 17:24 |Lupin| wizzyrea: do you intend to participate ? 17:25 pianohacker schuster: I don't know if there's a document per se 17:26 schuster yesterday I asked about the 3.2 and the merging bibs - and chris indicated it needed to be "packaged" and I don't really understand what/how that works. 17:26 schuster I also talked about the work pianohacker had done and was posted on the wiki and chris indicated there again about "installing and packaging it"... 17:27 schuster There have been references in the past that "packaging" after developing something can take some time to do - so I am just trying to understand how the full Development cycle works. 17:28 Ropuch Good evening 17:28 schuster Idea, design, develop, test, revise, package?, git, release? or what is the flow and the steps. 17:29 chris hmm i dont think i said packaged 17:30 chris i said merged 17:30 schuster OK so I made that word up, but you get my question? 17:30 chris when someone sends a patch 17:30 chris the release manager has to apply it to the branch in git it is applicable to 17:33 chris so you develop, test locally, send a patch, the release manager applies and tests, if it is ok, pushes it to the main git repo 17:34 chris some time later a release is made, containing not just that feature/bugfix but a bunch of others 17:34 chris with pianohacker's ajaxcirc work, the patches were out of date, so had to be brought back up to date and fixed, before they can be resubmitted 17:35 pianohacker chris and I are working on that at the moment 17:36 chris it is a perfect example of what happens when patches arent either sent or applied in a timely manner, and what is gonna happen on a much bigger and much more annoying scale, when liblime finally decide in 2020 to release their lek code 17:37 brendan morning schuster, pianohacker, chris, and everyone else 17:37 brendan @wunder 93117 17:37 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.7�C (9:36 AM PST on November 12, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Rising). 17:37 pianohacker hi brendan 17:37 schuster So again Librarian here... how much time on the release managers part does it take to "applies and tests" just one patch and say it is a simple thing nothing elaborate like HOLDS redo or anything. 17:38 chris craploads 17:38 pianohacker schuster: varies 17:38 schuster hi brendan... I was looking for you earlier, but got my answer. 17:38 brendan sweet 17:38 chris schuster: always more than you think 17:38 brendan was it on IRC 17:38 schuster brendan yes. 17:38 chris unless it is a one or 2 line template change 17:38 brendan cool will go read in the Logs 17:39 chris the main thing is testing for unintended side effects 17:39 schuster I would suspect that is the hardest thing to determine are the side effects. 17:39 chris that's why it is in fantastic that for 3.4 we are going to have a bug wrangler and a qa manager 17:39 chris that takes 2 jobs off the RM 17:40 chris which will allow them more time to do other things, and should hope in faster turnaround on patches 17:40 schuster So will the aq and wrangler have their own systems that are "in sync" with the RM? theoretically or will they all be working off the same system? 17:40 chris own systems in sync 17:40 schuster aq/qa sorry. 17:40 chris git makes that easy 17:40 brendan schuster the best person to talk with at vokal 17:40 brendan is Richard Pritsky 17:41 brendan he was at kohacon 17:41 schuster brendan - ok thanks - this was in regards to KUDOS in the US and someone that was at ALA annual. I think it was the director from stowe 17:41 brendan Yes Stephanie Chase was their 17:41 brendan there 17:42 schuster That's who I have emailed so am waiting to hear from her. Thanks for your time. 17:42 brendan of course 17:54 * chris is watching nz vs pakistan in cricket 17:55 brendan test match 17:56 chris 20/20 18:04 chris and adding travel tips 18:04 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2010wellington#travel_tips 18:05 chris i hope to hear back from more venues soon, would love to confirm dates and venue 18:06 jwagner chris, I had a dream the other night that I was on the plane for Kohacon in NZ, first class seat, big smile on my face, looking forward to the trip despite the long flight. The bell dinged for the pilot to say you could move around the cabin now, except horrid reality intruded and it was my alarm clock instead :-( 18:06 chris hehe 18:07 chris_n jwagner: lol 18:08 chris_n chris: can you free my email from the list jail please :-) 18:08 chris yup 18:08 jwagner Dreams are SO much nicer than reality.... 18:11 chris the flight is really not that bad anymore, now you have the seatback entertainment its much better, course i have done that flight about 30 times now 18:11 chris so im used to it 18:11 chris just get an aisle seat so you can walk around is my tip 18:12 jwagner the problem is that I have arthritis rather badly (and also need a knee replacement) -- I have real trouble sitting in an airplane seat for that long, even with getting up and moving around occasionally. 18:12 schuster At one point you recommended a particular airport etc... I was looking the other day and Aukland was a major airport with a transfer to Wellington I believe... Comments? 18:12 schuster Might be good to put that info on the wiki too. 18:12 chris yep you really only have 2 options 18:12 chris three maybe 18:13 chris auckland, and christchurch are the 2 major international airports 18:13 chris or there are direct flights australia to wellington 18:13 chris jwagner: ahh yeah, that would be bad 18:13 jwagner I did some checks for flights and some were connecting through Sydney to Wellington 18:13 chris *nod* 18:14 * jdavidb debates the fun of arriving in Auckland and *driving* to Wellington. 18:14 jwagner Yeah, travel is generally painful. But going to New Zealand might be worth it. 18:14 chris be warned that will add a few hours to your trip (going thru sydney) 18:14 chris jdavidb: its about 10 hours in a car 18:14 chris if you dont stop 18:15 chris or 55 mins in a plane :) 18:15 jdavidb No biggie, then, for those of us used to that. I'd rather take a night, and make a mini vacation out of it. 18:15 chris *nod* 18:15 chris its a nice drive 18:15 chris just keep left :-) 18:15 jdavidb :) I can do that. 18:16 jwagner I've driven in England -- guess I can remember the trick of it. But I hope the roads are a bit wider than some of the English country roads. 18:18 chris there are tons and tons of akl->wlg flights 18:19 chris so getting to auckland for cheap is the best bet :) you do have to pick up your luggage and clear customs there anyway 18:19 chris so booking a flight all the way through, doesnt save you much, unless it is cheaper :) 18:30 chris bbiab 18:42 schuster hmmm $1400USD right now from DFW to Wellington 2 stops - not bad. 18:43 jdavidb LAX and Aukland, for the stops, schuster? 18:43 * jdavidb can't type today. Auckland, of course. 18:48 schuster Yep. 18:48 jdavidb $2300 from the DC area, right now, round-trip. Lordy. 18:49 |Lupin| does anyone know how the number of items displayed in OPAC result pages is computed ? I assume it's from the number of rows in the items table with the same biblionumber... ? 18:49 |Lupin| are you guys taling about the prices of planes to NZ because of the conference ? 18:50 schuster Funny my mibbit has deals to NZ starting at $798! quantas and Air NZ 18:51 pianohacker |Lupin|: on search results it comes from the holding tags in the MARC, on detail pages it comes from the items table; and yes 18:52 |Lupin| pianohacker: ok jesse, thanks a lot for this both concise and informative response :) 18:52 pianohacker you're welcome :) 18:53 |Lupin| is there a date that has been decided for the next conf already ? 18:53 chris jdavidb: i found one 1049 lax->akl retn 18:53 pianohacker Yes 18:53 chris tentative 18:53 chris 15, 16, 17 november 18:53 chris those dates or ones similiar 18:53 chris i have 4 more quotes to receive 18:54 chris then i will confirm 18:54 chris should be in a week or so 18:54 chris (wont go later than that, dont want to get to close to thanksgiving in the US) 18:54 chris so may be the week before 18:54 chris 8,9,10 18:54 chris but most likely 15,16,17 november 2010 18:55 chris jdavidb: check out virgin australia, seems to be cheap at 18:55 chris the moment 18:55 chris ok now i have to catch my bus 18:55 brendan I've been watching the quantas deals and it seems that's close to good window for travel. Anything that gets close to Thanksgiving time here -- the prices shot way up 18:56 brendan so I've vote for earlier in November 18:56 brendan errrr... I'll 18:57 brendan typed english is failing me at the moment :) 18:57 |Lupin| chris: ok, thanks a lot for the info, very good to know ! 18:58 |Lupin| gotta go 18:58 |Lupin| see you soon all 19:35 richard hi 19:36 brendan good day richard 19:36 richard hi brendan 19:36 chris back 19:36 richard hiya chris' 19:38 brendan wb chris 19:38 brendan how goes the cricket 19:39 chris we suck 19:40 chris http://www.cricinfo.com/pakvnz2009/content/current/story/434285.html 19:40 brendan Still need to route from them :) 19:40 brendan whoops -- root 19:41 brendan are there going to be any cricket matches in NZ around the time we'll be there for kohacon 19:41 brendan or any rugby? 19:42 * wizzyrea would like to watch rugby, even though sports are not normally her thing. 19:43 chris cricket will def be on 19:44 chris its summer, so rugby will only be on tv 19:44 wizzyrea hrmph 19:44 chris nz will be touring the northern hemisphere handing out beatdowns to france, italy, england etc 19:44 chris but we could watch a game at a sports pub 19:44 chris thats quite an nz experience :( 19:44 chris :) even 19:46 brendan pubs++ 19:46 hdl hi chris 19:46 brendan hi hdl 19:46 hdl hi brendan 19:47 wizzyrea beer++ 19:47 brendan NZ++ 19:49 chris hiya hdl 19:57 brendan doesn't like it when my co-workers are traveling -- don't have anyone to talk with :) 19:57 brendan so tag -- you're it #koha 19:57 wizzyrea awww 19:58 chris hehe 19:58 chris looks like it was a good first day 19:58 chris of the conference 19:58 brendan does anyone know of a status for a bulk item editor 19:58 brendan I thought I heard word of something 19:59 * brendan goes to look through bugs 19:59 chris yeah it exists 19:59 chris i have it running on my catalyst demo, another biblibre one 19:59 chris im not sure if its in master yet 19:59 brendan bug 3509 20:00 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3509 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Batch item edit 20:00 chris lemme find it for ya 20:00 chris it might be a little bit different 20:04 chris http://librarian.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/tools/batchMod.pl 20:05 chris works pretty good 20:06 schuster do you have a login we can play with? 20:08 chris check your pm schuster :) 20:09 chris http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master 20:09 chris is what it is running 20:09 chris git clone git://git.catalyst.net.nz/koha.git 20:09 chris will get you a copy of it 20:10 chris it has my nearly finished recommendations feature 20:10 chris as well as kete integration 20:10 owen Recommendations feature? 20:10 * chris will pull it up for ya 20:11 chris prolly cant be used so good with us libraries that anonymise checkouts, not in its current form 20:11 chris http://opac.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=fish <-- that is kete integration 20:11 chris excuse the slowness, the machine it is on is currently running 38 virtual servers 20:12 ricardo Hi everyone! :) 20:14 schuster That works pretty good. Thanks for sharing chris. 20:14 schuster I wonder if you could use something very similar for batch deletes? 20:15 chris http://opac.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=4 20:15 chris owen: click the recommendations tab 20:15 chris schuster: im sure it could 20:15 owen Neat. And that's based on circ data? 20:16 chris yep, cron job runs nightly, that updates the recommendations 20:16 chris too slow to calculate on the fly 20:16 brendan nice nice 20:16 brendan recommendations++ 20:16 chris so if it was run before the circ data was anonymised 20:16 brendan howdy owen 20:17 chris then after running it for a few montsh, you could switch it on in the opac 20:17 chris and you would have some decent data 20:17 chris all it stores is this 20:17 chris +----+------------+------------+-----------+ 20:17 chris | id | biblio_one | biblio_two | hit_count | 20:17 chris +----+------------+------------+-----------+ 20:17 chris | 1 | 4 | 68692 | 2 | 20:17 chris | 2 | 4 | 108069 | 2 | 20:17 brendan chris where is this coming from - is this your development 20:17 schuster chris that is way cool! 20:18 * brendan reads back :) 20:18 chris yep, for albany senior high school, im rolling it out there in the next week or so 20:18 chris it will miss the cut for 3.2 (we are in feature freeze already) 20:18 chris but ill submit the patches up so people can use it, and it will go in to master as soon as 3.2 is branched 20:19 * chris does all development in the open 20:19 owen :) 20:20 schuster :) 20:20 brendan open development++ 20:20 schuster karma chris++ 20:20 * brendan has had a bunch of coffee this morning :) throwing lots of karma around 20:21 schuster What happened with granular permissions?? I poked and don't see anything on the borrower record. 20:21 chris lek happened 20:21 chris i think biblibre have done some work on it though as well 20:21 chris lemme find it for ya 20:21 pianohacker PTFS did some work in that realm also 20:21 pianohacker not sure when it will be submitted 20:21 schuster curious what happens with the few granular permissions that I have right now and what will happen when I get updated to 3.2... 20:21 pianohacker jdavidb (or jwagner when she gets back)? 20:22 jdavidb We've been hacking on it some, and as soon as that worthless geek who does that (me) gets his head above water, it'll be out on the street. 20:22 pianohacker jdavidb: awesome 20:22 brendan jdavidb any update on a public repo for PTFS 20:22 schuster boy chris may have his work cut out for him with 3.4 if all that development drops at the same time. 20:22 jdavidb <--the bottleneck. 20:22 brendan good luck jdavidb 20:22 chris schuster: id rather that than the oppositie ;-) 20:23 schuster jwagner - would you go over and make him quit eating donuts... 20:23 chris typing fail 20:23 schuster True chris. 20:23 jdavidb It's possible I might get a few branches tossed over the wall this weekend, depending on how a couple of things go between now and then. 20:30 brendan hello sekjal 20:31 chris hiya sekjal 20:31 schuster chris et al - granular wasn't turned on so they didn't show... few. 20:31 chris cool 20:32 jwagner schuster -- saw the comment about making jdavidb quit eating donuts. That's not the problem :-) But for the past week or so he's been in my office raiding my leftover Halloween candy! 20:33 Ropuch chris: I'm just translating some Koha history into polish, on wiki I've read "In 2001, Paul Poulain (of Marseille, France) began adding new features to Koha, most significantly support for multiple languages.", on your blog Benedykt P. Barszcz and Pawel Skuza are meant to "start the translation ball rolling" 20:33 pianohacker halloween candy is a danger to society and waistlines 20:33 schuster and teeth! I feel mine rotting daily! 20:33 Ropuch I will happily mention polish guys, but I want to be acurate [; 20:34 chris yeah they beat him 20:34 Ropuch hehehe 20:34 chris the most accurate one is the history.txt in git 20:35 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=docs/history.txt; 20:35 Ropuch Thanks 20:35 chris June 23 2001 Benedykt P. Barszcz working on translations translation, community, poland 20:36 chris June 24 2001 Pawel Skuza working on a script to automate translations translation 20:36 chris February 22 2002 Paul Poulain sends an email saying he will work on Koha 20:36 chris March 6 2002 Paul becomes the 7th committer to Koha 20:37 chris uly 12 2001 Pawel Skuza becomes the 2nd committer outside of Katipo, and 6th overall and commits his translation script 20:37 Ropuch I just want to mention them, it's brief history ;> 20:37 sekjal hi, chris and brendan 20:37 sekjal sorry, was gliffing 20:37 chris so polish guys were very early in the history of koha 20:38 Ropuch I wonder what they are doing nowadays 20:38 sekjal trying to document the process by which we're going to connect our SFX Open Linker Resolver to Koha 20:38 chris Ropuch: if i remember right Benedykt was from a monastery 20:41 ricardo2 chris: There's also another religious "Benedict"... but I think that one works in the Vatican and not in a Monastery ;-) 20:42 chris heh 20:44 chris wow i found an email from him from august 2000 20:44 pianohacker long_term_email_storage++ 20:45 ricardo pianohacker: Hmm.... I'm not sure I know that nick ;-) 20:45 owen outlook_express-- # for long_term_email_storage 20:45 owen (That's what ate my 2000-era email archive) 20:47 Ropuch chris: yes, he's from Societas Apostolatus Catholici 20:47 chris good work sherlock holmes :) 20:48 jwagner sekjal, re SFX -- I've done a little work with setting Koha to link to SFX, but haven't gone the other way. Shouldn't be too hard -- just put in the URL prefix and isbn=whatever. 20:48 chris http://twitpic.com/p9gd4 <-- wellington zoo today 20:48 Ropuch chris: ;-) 20:49 ricardo (one of the good things of being Portuguese is that it's easy to understand *some* Latin, even without having learned it, eheh) 20:49 jwagner awwwwww 20:50 ricardo chris: I hope that the two creatures lying down had their lunch *before* that pic ;-) 20:50 chris hehe 20:52 sekjal jwagner: yes, we figure it won't be too hard to create an SFX target to connect to Koha; it's missing amongst the ILS Targets already in SFX, and that should not persist 20:52 ricardo sekjal: SFX? We're not talking about "Sound Effects", are we? 20:53 jwagner About two jobs ago I worked on an install of SFX/Metalib, and Ex Libris was pretty willing to work with us on setting stuff up, and including it in future general releases if appropriate. They might still be open to that. 20:53 sekjal ricardo: no, we're talking about Ex Libris' OpenURL resolver 20:54 ricardo sekjal: Gotta love TLAs... Thanks for the info :) 20:54 jwagner Would there be general interest in the work I did to make a link from Koha to SFX? I hard coded it in the template, but it wouldn't be hard to set it up as a syspref to enter the URL, then wrap it around the ISBN. 20:55 sekjal jwagner: that might be neat. we were thinking some JS overtop might be the least invasive way to do it quickly 20:55 jwagner Might be at that -- I'm no JS wizard. I go for the brute force approach :-) 20:55 jwagner I turned on the COINS thing, but that apparently only works if someone has a browser plugin. This site wanted the link always on for all their users. 20:56 jwagner er, ISSN for SFX that is. 20:56 sekjal my original plan was to dump the SFX menu URL into the biblioitems.uri field (MARC21's 856), but rethinking it, that's not strictly necessary 20:56 jwagner (I did both ISBN and ISSN for this site at their request) 20:56 jwagner I just coded it around the 856u in the XSLT templates. 20:57 sekjal I'd just need to hardcode our SFX root URL, and then have the JS pluck up the ISBN/ISSN from the bibliorecord 20:57 jwagner Gotta head home now -- keep me posted & let me know if you want what I've done. 20:57 sekjal jwagner: will do! 20:57 Ropuch What kind (male/female) of noun is "Koha"? [; 20:58 richard it virtually means "gift" but i'm not sure if that has any male/female connections 20:59 sekjal does Maori have gendered nouns? 20:59 Ropuch I wonder 21:00 Ropuch Well, as it ends with 'a' I treated her liek a girl ;-) 21:00 richard not that i'm aware of but chris will be your best bet there 21:01 Ropuch I guess 21:02 sekjal according the collective wisdom that is a naive Google search, Maori generally does not have gendered nouns. 21:03 sekjal which I always found a source of confusion when I was studying German. 21:03 sekjal perhaps this will make it easier for me to pick up Maori by next year 21:03 chris :) 21:04 Ropuch So she's a girl for me ;> 21:04 chris no note gendered nouns 21:05 Ropuch We have gendered verbs in polish 21:05 sekjal Ropuch: interesting! ::takes note:: 21:06 ricardo2 (grumble...) 21:06 chris koha is a noun or a verb 21:06 ricardo2 Mibbit is not as stable today as it usually is 21:06 hdl shuter already done 21:07 hdl (batch deletes I mean) 21:07 Ropuch sekjal: ;> 21:07 chris we dont really have gendered anything 21:07 chris but we have different possessives 21:07 Ropuch Lucky you 21:08 Ropuch When posting forms we're forced to add male/female versions 21:08 chris tÄku for my/mine when the possessor is dominant 21:08 Ropuch As "Gdyby zechcial Pan/Zechcia�a pani" 21:08 ricardo Portuguese has genders in its language (as do most "latin" languages, I think - Spanish, Italian, French...) 21:09 chris taku hÄ“ = my mistake 21:09 chris tÅku is neutral form 21:09 hdl reading back logs 21:09 chris (both are singular) 21:10 sekjal Ropuch: what is the difference between the male and female forms of a verb? when would I use one over the other? 21:10 chris drop the t, for plural 21:11 chris one gotcha 21:11 chris is i would say taku he, for my mistake 21:11 chris but toku whakaaro, for my thoughts 21:12 chris also, even though you are dominant over food, you would say toku kai ... because food is so important 21:12 chris here endeth the lesson 21:13 Ropuch sekjal: it does matter in past forms: On poszed�, Ona posz�a, Ono posz�o 21:13 Ropuch He went, She went, it went 21:13 * owen remembers the same from his Czech lessons 21:13 Ropuch But there's not a hard rule for it 21:14 Ropuch owen: yep 21:14 sekjal Ropuch: ah, so the verb gender connects to the pronoun/noun gender 21:14 Ropuch yes 21:14 sekjal chris, Ropuch: this is great. I find linguisitics fascinating 21:15 sekjal I took a semester in college, same semester as my first programming course, and my advanced algebra 21:15 chris sekjal: you must talk with my dad then 21:15 sekjal that semester was a headtrip 21:15 chris he is a licensed translator and interpreter 21:15 sekjal chris: very cool 21:15 chris majored in russian at university, speaks italian, russian, german, and maori 21:16 chris (oh and english) 21:17 chris my sister majored in chinese, and did a year doing her masters at shanghai university 21:17 chris im the only one in my family that only speaks 2 languages hehe 21:19 Ropuch We have a treinee from Germany at work: besides german he speaks french, little italian & spanish, english and after just one year of learning he's actually speaking polish 21:19 Ropuch And he speaks good - I'm more than impressed 21:20 chris some people have natural ability 21:20 chris it is a great skill to have ;) 21:21 Ropuch Yeah 21:23 pianohacker linguistics is fun 21:23 pianohacker interesting to see unexpected connections between languages (like similar vowel pronunciation of spanish and japanese) 21:23 hdl python, java ruby, javascript, fortran, ada, Haskell 21:24 hdl trinitary roots 21:24 chris :) 21:26 pianohacker bbl 21:28 hdl quite a huge discovery in linguistics 21:30 Ropuch I've counted 75 languages on translate.koha.org 21:30 Ropuch Nice 21:31 ricardo Ropuch: Don't talk about languages, please. OK? I'm in "turbo mode" translating the Portuguese PO file for staff! ;-) 21:31 chris hehe 21:31 ricardo hdl: Hi Henri! :) 21:32 chris yeah i just added sindhi the other day 21:32 Ropuch I don't feel like translating staff today, I'm preparing speech on Koha for open source conference ;> 21:32 chris cool 21:32 ricardo hdl: I'm around line 43000 in the Portuguese PO file. I think that I will have this wrapped up in a day or two. Would that be still on time for 3.0.5? 21:33 ricardo Ropuch: That's cool. Good luck for your speech! :) 21:34 hdl ricardo I think so 21:34 hdl hi ricardo 21:35 ricardo hdl: Cool. Thanks for the info :) 21:35 hdl ricardo: I thought I should release this week. 21:36 ricardo hdl:Hmmm... And do you still think that? 21:36 hdl But some weirdness in french po and my work kept me out of this. 21:36 ricardo hdl: That's great! (please don't take this the wrong way, eheh) 21:36 hdl So I think it will have to wait next week 21:37 ricardo hdl: That's (very) fine by me. 21:39 sekjal time to head to the train. cheers, #koha 21:42 Ropuch http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers - is this a most comprehensive list of Koha users/ 21:42 Ropuch ? 21:43 ricardo hdl: Talking about weirdness, there's some weirdness related to "C4::Language" that affects the Portuguese pt-PT translation (mistakingly uses the very incomplete - specially for staff - pt-BR one). I talked with Chris about that and he suggested to remove the pt-BR translation, while he doesn't get around to "refactor" C4:Language. Right chris? 21:43 chris yeah, i meant to email you hdl, can we leave the pt-BR .po file out of the 3.0.5 release 21:44 chris Ropuch: its one list of users 21:44 chris another list is at libwebcats lemme get it for ya 21:45 chris http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-search-advanced.pl 21:45 chris just type koha in the current automatiion system (dont choose any of the options just type koha) 21:46 chris and it will find all the koha - independent, koha - liblime, koha - ptfs etc 21:46 chris there are 43 pages of them :) 21:50 ricardo OK. I'm leaving to home now. Take care everyone! :) 21:50 hdl ricardo: I can 21:50 ricardo hdl: Cool. Thank you very much! :) 21:50 ricardo chris: Thank you, as well 21:50 ricardo OK. Off I go. Bye people! 21:52 Ropuch chris: bah, I totally forgot about lib-web-cats 22:12 schuster bye 22:14 brendan @wunder 93117 22:14 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (2:12 PM PST on November 12, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Falling). 23:34 chris_n2 g'evening 23:35 Ropuch Good evening & good night [;