Time  Nick            Message
23:59 ian             mason: apple on the fridge for you
22:50 chris_n2        nothing like a lying installation script
22:46 * chris_n2      is debugging on his win32 install ;-)
22:46 chris           sounds like we need to fix that
22:46 chris           *nod*
22:46 chris_n2        which may account for some of the confused posts to the list which are clearly errors in the user/permissions
22:45 brendan         heh
22:45 * chris_n2      notes that it appears to always say the user has all required permissions even when they don't
22:45 chris           nope, what happens?
22:45 chris_n2        interesting.... has anyone tested the web-installer lately with a db user that *does not* have correct db permissions?
22:12 brendan         :)
22:12 brendan         hey Thanks chris
22:10 chris           brendan: congrats on the new go live
22:07 |Lupin|         k, goodnight folks !
21:53 chris           which is all you need
21:53 chris           it exists and its public
21:53 wizzyrea_mobile So that's good
21:53 chris           it just needs to be merged in
21:53 chris           yep
21:53 wizzyrea_mobile Well the code exists
21:51 chris           im not sure if its been pushed into main git, but im sure it will be when galen has time
21:51 chris           the patches ahve been sent, i did some testing
21:51 wizzyrea_mobi-1 Sweet
21:50 chris           yep
21:50 wizzyrea_mobi-1 Didn't biblibre do some of that?
21:50 chris           schuster: yep it did
21:50 wizzyrea_mobi-1 Gah I was hoping jdavidb was still around
21:50 schuster        just checking if merging bibs made it to the 3.2 timeline?  Was that on target?
21:33 brendan         in a bit #koha
21:22 ricardo         chris:sure. bye!
21:22 chris           ttyl
21:21 ricardo         Well, I had enough for today. Going to leave back to home. Take care everyone!
21:21 ricardo         chris: Cool, thanks  :)
21:20 chris           yep, sounds good
21:20 ricardo         chris: I hope to send you the PO file (for Portuguese - staff) on Friday. Is that OK (for 3.0.5)? I think hdl told me he was thinking about releasing it next week
21:12 brendan         chris_n++
21:12 brendan         thanks chris_n
21:12 chris_n         bbiab
21:11 chris_n         if you don't get to the button before I get there, I'll add it
21:11 brendan         will send a patch if I get to it
21:11 brendan         cool
21:11 chris_n         I'm deep into the patron card stuff atm, but will revisit the label code prior to submission of the new code
21:11 brendan         that would be cool
21:10 chris_n         I also intended to do a multiple delete/edit option
21:10 brendan         I'll let you know if i get to it
21:10 brendan         maybe on the weekend
21:09 brendan         Ok, busy for the next few
21:09 chris_n         right; I had that on my list somewhere once upon a time.... feel free to add it :-)
21:09 brendan         it would be easier to select all and then unselect one - instead of selecting all 29
21:09 brendan         that way if you had thirty barcodes -- and you wanted to export 29 of them
21:08 brendan         when managing a batch of records
21:08 brendan         would be nice to add a select all button
21:08 brendan         koha/labels/label-edit-batch.pl
21:07 chris_n         brendan: here
21:07 brendan         chris_n around?
20:59 ricardo         (there are some coolest terms to translate in UNIMARC world - "infrared line scanning". ooooh)
20:58 ricardo         |Lupin|: I think that you'll have to replace "\n" by "\r\n"... but most editors (like Notepad++) have some "Format" option to do that transformation in a mouse click
20:56 |Lupin|         ricardo: perhaps you know the answer to this: how would you convert the unix-line line terminators to window-like ones ? that is, how would you, under Windows, replace the \n by a \r ?
20:55 ricardo         Besides (g)vim, when in Windows, I also use "Notepad++" and PSPad
20:54 ricardo         |Lupin|: eheheh
20:54 |Lupin|         ricardo: regarding editors I'm totally agnostic, using myself joe, emacs and vim from time to time... I said that just to tease you...
20:53 ricardo         I'm ashamed to say that I had 2 failed attempts of learning "vim" and 2 failed attempts to learn "emacs". At the 3rd attempt of learning "vim", I finally succeeded. And so, that's what I use
20:51 ricardo         |Lupin|: Oh good. Text editors "holy war"! Let me get my rifle, first...  ;-)
20:51 |Lupin|         ricardo: power ? I'm sure you meant emacs :p
20:51 ricardo         (all the power of "vim" available)
20:50 ricardo         |Lupin|: Speed!  :)
20:50 ricardo         chris: If, when I send the PO file to you, you send me back an updated file with some hundreds / thousands more of strings to translate, I will *not* be held accountable for my own actions!  ;-)
20:50 |Lupin|         ricardo: why are you translating locally rather that in pootle ?
20:49 chris           heh
20:49 ricardo         (Line 40540 of the PO file. Oh boy... this *never* ends!)
20:47 chris           good luck
20:46 niny            ricardo, chris, we are running make install.
20:46 ricardo         niny: OK
20:44 niny            at his home machine , we are using the same steps/scenario
20:43 niny            because , these exact setup worked for my friend
20:43 ricardo         niny: Oh, OK
20:43 niny            no no, its downloading and installed every perl modules. I just asked
20:42 ricardo         niny: But is your problem downloading stuff from CPAN, because you're behind a firewall?
20:42 niny            ok chris. we are going to do that
20:42 chris           and make install anyway
20:42 niny            is that problem ?
20:42 chris           unlikely, like |Lupin| said, id ignore the make test fail
20:42 niny            our machine is behind a firewall
20:41 niny            so this error 255 is not because of that ?
20:41 chris           it will just complain, but will still install fine
20:40 chris           make install wont stop if you ahve an older version
20:40 niny            So we compiled and installed 2 of them from CPAN (1.59)
20:40 chris           or you dont care about the bug
20:40 chris           if you dont want to use xslt tho (you can run koha without)
20:40 ricardo         chris: OK, fair enough  :)
20:40 chris           earlier versions of that module have a bug
20:40 chris           anything that uses the XSLT (which is all of the 3.0.x series)
20:39 ricardo         niny: You've got to blame chris for that. He's the one that wants to require newer versions of Perl modules  ;-)
20:39 chris           3.0.2 does too
20:39 niny            and XSLT needs XML::LibXML-1.59
20:39 niny            it needs XML::LibXSLT-1.59
20:39 |Lupin|         ricardo: there are more recent versions of Koha... perhaps you could try them and see if the problem persists...
20:38 ricardo         niny: Why don't you install Koha 3.0.4 ?
20:38 ricardo         niny: What problem?
20:38 niny            We are installing Koha-3.00.02 on CentOS-5.3
20:38 ricardo         |Lupin|: Ah, no. It doesn't. That's strange
20:38 niny            We had a XML::LibXML problem
20:37 |Lupin|         ricardo: I did _not_ run perl Makefile .pl, but make test... should this one receive the --pre-instal thing somehow, too ?
20:36 ricardo         |Lupin|: have you remembered to use "--prev-install /path/to/koha-install-log" at the end of the "perl Makefile.PL" line?
20:36 niny            ok
20:36 |Lupin|         strange, I just tried to run make test on my KOha and it asks me for the parameters, like when running perl Makefile.PL, whereas the thing is supposed to be configured already
20:34 niny            :)
20:34 |Lupin|         niny: I never ran make test and if I were you I think I woldn't bother and just run make install and continue
20:33 niny            or is it safe to run make install
20:33 niny            |Lupin|,  any idea why make test is failing
20:32 niny            we didn't try to do 'make install'
20:31 |Lupin|         niny: is it a problem ? does Koha not run ?
20:31 niny            any idea
20:29 niny            http://pastebin.org/52805
20:29 niny            make test giving error again
20:29 niny            hi ricardo
20:29 niny            re-installed full OS and trying to install koha
20:29 ricardo         niny: Hi
20:29 |Lupin|         wizzyrea: you think so ? well knowing where it comes from it's not that strange...
20:28 niny            hi
20:24 ricardo         wizzyrea: For that kind of sentence, you have to write: "Pootle. Strangest. Name. Ever!"  ;-)
20:23 ricardo         wizzyrea: LOL!
20:23 wizzyrea        pootle is the strangest name for a product ever.
20:23 chris           ricardo is translating the file locally
20:23 chris           no they dont appear in pootle
20:23 |Lupin|         ricardo: do you mean that the strings that are commented in the code appear on pootle as strings needing a translation ?
20:20 chris           :)
20:19 ricardo         chris: In "Arnold Schwarzenegger" style?  ;-)
20:19 ricardo         chris: Oh, OK. Thanks for the info
20:19 chris           (in case they come back)
20:19 chris           I think the update.pl just comments out ones that dont exist anymore, rather than deleting them
20:19 ricardo         (s/mgstr/msgstr above)
20:18 ricardo         chris: Right, thanks... Why are there so many of those, BTW?
20:18 chris           *nod*
20:17 ricardo         chris: I'm guessing it's *useless* to translate strings where both the "msgid" and "mgstr" are commented out. Right?
20:15 ricardo         |Lupin| / chris: May one of you please slap me, if I ever again make the mistake of contributing for a translation?  ;-)
20:14 |Lupin|         hello ricardo ! :-)
20:14 ricardo         |Lupin|: Hi Sébastien!  :)
20:13 chris           yep
20:12 |Lupin|         chris: that being said I assume barcode and itemnumbers won't probably stay synchronized so I'll really have to lookup the db for a given itemnumber to find out its barcode
20:12 chris           |Lupin|: cool
20:11 |Lupin|         chris: ok, thanks a lot for the help, t should work, indeed
20:11 ricardo         chris: OK. I know that it works if it's placed above the "template posiition comment lines" (because there's where Pootle places them). But I'm hand editing the file and I'm placing further comments below them. Oh well, you're right: we'll have to try it
20:10 chris           we'll have to try it and see
20:10 chris           i don't know myself
20:09 ricardo         chris: Hi chris!  :)  I have a question for you. If I want that comments in the PO file are loaded by Pootle (in the "comments" boxes, I think) must I put them above or below the "template position comment lines". Or doesn't it matter? (I don't know if I'm being clear enough)
20:08 chris           Hi ricardo
20:08 ricardo         Hi everyone!
20:07 Jarson          thank you
20:07 chris           you need to change that system preference then
20:07 Jarson          any ones
20:07 chris           yes, but do you want them to only reserve ones that are issued, or any ones?
20:07 Jarson          so I think the option you have shown me is ok
20:06 Jarson          Ok, I understand. I want to give my users possibility to reserve books :)
20:05 chris           so to make something on loan, you need to check the item out to someone
20:05 chris           ie its not on the shelf, someone has it
20:05 chris           on loan means you have issued it (checked it out) to someone
20:05 Jarson          what is a difference if a book is on loan or not?
20:04 chris           if not http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/administration/global-system-preferences/circulation#allowonshelfholds
20:04 chris           do you want people to only be able to place holds on items that are on loan?
20:03 Jarson          3.0.4
20:03 chris           what version of koha?
20:01 Jarson          Hello, I have a question: what should I do to make a copy of book to be "on loan"? I have no "place hold" option in OPAC
19:50 chris           (id turn it on and test it with a couple of items after backing up the db, and running your sql to set all the barcodes)
19:50 chris           so it will take the highest number, and increment it
19:49 chris           yep, what autobarcode does, is just increment
19:48 |Lupin|         chris: ok... I was more or less thinking about doing so. But is it ok to (1) copy itemnumbers in the barcode column and (2) turn on autobarcode ? will that work ?
19:47 |Lupin|         chris: I understand. I's just that I don't know yet how to implement the filling of the barcode item when a new item is added...
19:47 chris           and it will do it for you
19:47 chris           switch on autobarcode
19:47 chris           the easiest way round is to just put a barcode on everything
19:46 |Lupin|         chris: well, it must also work when an item is added, that I'm not sure how to do...
19:46 |Lupin|         chris: hmm the only thing I can do is transmit your remark to my boss... I'm not the one who did this choice
19:44 chris           barcode is used heavily throughout koha, just write some sql to copy the itemnumber to barcode field, et voila you have barcodes
19:43 chris           you are bending it, so you will have to make compromises
19:43 chris           koha isnt designed to run a digital library
19:42 |Lupin|         chris: well, it the context of  a digital library, it's not that appropriate, IMHO...
19:42 |Lupin|         chris: what's the rationale behind that ? I didn't associate bacodes with my items (they are digital), and want to call AddIssue each time a file is downloaded, for statistical purposes. Shall I add barcode to all the items ?
19:41 chris           (even if you just copy the itemnumber to the barcode field .. everything you want to circulate needs a barcode)
19:40 chris           things without barcodes, shouldnt circulate
19:40 chris           design choice
19:39 |Lupin|         chris: I've a question abot the Circulation::AddIssue function. Why does it take a barcode ars arguemnt, and why is there no way to pass it an itemnumber ? is that a bug or a design choice ?
19:38 |Lupin|         hi richard, chris_n, chris
19:35 chris_n         g'afternoon
19:35 chris           hiya richard
19:34 richard         hi
19:32 chris           back
18:53 chris           off also
18:53 chris           ok of to work
18:35 |Lupin|         hi again, everybody
17:54 paul_p          bye everybody
17:53 brendan         morning chris
17:52 chris           morning
17:42 jwagner         Yes, a solemn Remembrance Day/Armistice Day/Veterans Day to all.
17:41 * sekjal        remembers to remember the veterans
17:40 wizzyrea        yepper
17:40 sekjal          really?  already?
17:40 wizzyrea        veterans day in the US
17:40 sekjal          wait, today's a holiday (by someone's reckoning)?
17:36 wizzyrea        ;)
17:36 wizzyrea        i'm sure I probably could have told them I was too well to attend
17:36 jwagner         Technically it's a holiday for us, but our company allows us to swap it for the day after Thanksgiving, and I needed to be in today anyway.
17:35 wizzyrea        yea,, not us
17:27 brendan         guessing that's a no
17:27 schuster        Only those federal folks...
17:27 schuster        brendan - HA!
17:27 |Lupin|         see you later, bye
17:21 brendan         wizzyrea and schuster aren't you both supposed be on holiday today
17:06 wizzyrea        19% woot!
17:06 wizzyrea        schuster: that may be my problem
17:03 |Lupin|         is it mandatory that items have barcodes to be able to issue them ?
17:03 |Lupin|         or perhaps someone else
16:50 |Lupin|         hdl: hi. around ?
16:39 schuster        oh I don't know that was last year... ;)
16:38 schuster        sorry 120 meg should be gig.
16:38 schuster        wizzyrea - when I did it on my laptop it took forever as my laptop only had 1 gig of memory and my HD was 120 meg - the drive kept getting full due to the indexing of idb - after 24 hours more drive space would be opened as idb ?tables from mysql would delete.
16:31 kf              bye #koha
16:27 Nate            hiya bren!
16:26 brendan         Hi Nate
16:06 hdl             jwagner: no problem
16:03 |Lupin|         oops :)
16:02 |Lupin|         hallo :) wie geht es dir ?
16:02 |Lupin|         guten nachmitag kf
16:02 kf              hi Lupin
16:01 |Lupin|         good day all
15:49 wizzyrea        (and it's not the fastest computer in the world))
15:49 wizzyrea        (my desktop, that is_
15:49 wizzyrea        (it's a leach off of my working system)
15:49 wizzyrea        it's just slooow
15:49 wizzyrea        I mean, I saw it change from 17% to 18%
15:48 wizzyrea        I don't think so, it's still going
15:48 brendan         out of memory?
15:48 wizzyrea        lol oi my 50k record import into my virtualbox koha install is at 18%, I started it yesterday
15:47 jwagner         Merci beaucoup!
15:46 hdl             jwagner: Si Activé, affiche le bouton de réservation en hat des listes de résultats à l'intranet et à l'OPAC. Les bibliothèques dont les règles de réservations sont strictes devraient désactiver cette option et restreindre les utilisateur à ne placer qu'une réservation à la fois
15:35 jwagner         The description is : If ON, displays the Place Hold button at the top of the search results list in staff and OPAC. Sites whose policies require tighter control over holds may want to turn this option off and limit users to placing holds one at a time.
15:35 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3093 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, sedwards@alloycomputing.com, ASSIGNED, Enhance placing of holds in staff interface
15:35 jwagner         hdl, thanks.  See Bug 3093 -- it's causing problems for a couple of my sites, so I'm doing a syspref to turn it off.
15:34 hdl             jwagner: I am here
15:26 jwagner         Any French speakers online for a syspref translation?
14:06 kf              thd-away: around?
14:01 kf              thd: around?
13:41 jwagner         Too late now :-) just sent the patch.
13:29 jwagner         I'm working on a patch to fix the default setup for a couple of the delivered z39.50 targets.  Are there any others people would like to add into the default list while I'm in there?  There was a posting on the Koha list from Agnes Rivers-Moore last month with some useful targets.
13:22 kf              good morning jwager
13:22 jwagner         good morning kf
13:22 munin           kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0�C (2:00 PM CET on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
13:22 kf              @wunder konstanz
12:42 munin           brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 10.7�C (4:39 AM PST on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
12:42 brendan         @wunder 93117
12:42 chris_n         *lots* of rain here
12:41 brendan         morning chris_n
12:41 munin           chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 13.0�C (7:19 AM EST on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Steady).  Flash Flood Watch in effect through Thursday evening... 
12:41 chris_n         @wunder 28334
12:41 chris_n         g'morning #koha
12:36 kf              kf: back
11:57 niny            then we ignored it and went for make install
11:57 niny            But after compilation, make test of XML-LibXML-1.59 shows error
11:56 niny            when we tried to install, it asked for XML-LibXML-1.59
11:55 niny            and perl-XML-LibXSLT needs version 1.59
11:55 niny            i am using CentOS 5.3
11:55 kf              paul_p: lunch time here too - ttyl :)
11:54 paul_p          see you in a few minuts
11:54 * paul_p        head for lunch, REALLY HUNGRY !!!
11:54 kf              just figured out
11:53 paul_p          d
11:53 paul_p          oups... remove the ? at the en
11:53 niny            its ok
11:53 kf              paul_p2: sorry, something is wrong with the link
11:53 paul_p          niny: no idea then :(
11:53 paul_p          XSLT for UNIMARC and staff available here
11:52 niny            we have given root's password and kohaadmin users password as same
11:52 paul_p2         kf:  http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha;a=commit;h=ed047fead87b2ddf209758ad4a0eaabaa0cb8cad?
11:52 kf              paul_p2: here
11:52 paul_p2         kf: still about ?
11:52 paul_p2         the previous problem can come from mysql login/pass being wrong.
11:51 paul_p2         (but, you may have problems later. You REALLY need the uptodate version of LibXML
11:51 paul_p2         niny, for sure this is not why you've "koha.Systempreferences doens't exist"
11:45 niny            ?
11:45 niny            is that the problem /
11:45 niny            I ignored it and done make install
11:45 niny            I had a XML::LibXML version 1.59 make test error
11:44 niny            done
11:44 Ropuch          grant all on koha.* to 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' identified by 'katikoan';
11:44 niny            and db user kohaadmin
11:44 niny            created system user koha
11:43 niny            with name as 'koha'
11:42 niny            yes Ropuch
11:40 Ropuch          niny: have you creted a koha database?
11:36 kf              niny: sorry, I dont know how to solve your problem. perhaps try posting your error message to the mailing lists
11:32 niny            can any body help us
11:25 niny            any idea ?
11:25 niny            t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t .. DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /usr/local/src/koha-3.00.02/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 485.
11:24 niny            error in make test
11:12 greenmang0      CGI520: as far as i know.. when i tried to use latest version of koha with older koha db.. koha did upgradation of older db
11:12 CGI520          pls answer my doubt
11:12 CGI520          hi greenmang0
11:11 CGI520          hi greenmango0
11:08 greenmang0      CGI520: as far as i know.. when i tried to use latest version of koha with older koha db.. koha did upgradation of older db
11:02 CGI520          how to use koha 2.2.5 database to koha 3
11:01 CGI520          pls help me
11:01 CGI520          i need a support from u
11:01 CGI520          this is nithin from india
11:01 CGI520          hi
11:00 munin           brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.6�C (2:59 AM PST on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
11:00 brendan         @wunder 93117
09:06 kf              hi chris and guten morgen Ropuch
09:02 Ropuch          Hi chris
09:02 chris           hi kf
09:02 Ropuch          Hello kf, hdl
08:55 kf              what was in the news, but not the whole celebration
08:55 kf              part of it
08:55 kf              hi hdl
08:54 hdl             Have you seen the celebration for the wall ?
08:54 hdl             armistice day in France.
08:53 hdl             hi kf
08:48 kf              morning #koha
08:34 chris           i think koha will soon be one of the most translated pieces of software
08:33 chris           just adding sindhi to translate.koha.org
08:33 chris           yep
08:28 hdl             chris around ?
08:26 hdl             bonjour
08:20 Ropuch          Good morning paul_p
07:23 Ropuch          Morning #koha
04:37 chris_n2        g'night
04:33 brendan         hello amit
03:29 chris_n2        hello Amit
03:28 Amit            good morning #koha
03:28 Amit            hi brendan, chris, chris_n2
03:26 chris_n2        and with Zebra running: http://i38.tinypic.com/zupa3k.jpg
03:05 chris_n2        Koha on win32: http://i33.tinypic.com/18zkvo.jpg
02:59 chris_n2        21:57:43-10/11 [warn] XInclude processing failed for config C:\Progra~1\koha\etc\koha-conf.xml
02:59 chris_n2        file:///C:/Progra~1/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml:153: element include: XInclude error : failed build URL
02:59 chris_n2        file:///C:/Progra~1/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml:109: element include: XInclude error : failed build URL
02:59 chris_n2        file:///C:/Progra~1/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml:82: element include: XInclude error : failed build URL
02:59 chris_n2        C:\Program Files\Zebra\bin>zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f "C:\Progra~1\koha\etc\koha-conf.xml"
02:59 chris_n2        any thoughts on this:
02:05 chris_n2        somehow I knew that, but did not know that when I needed to :-P
02:02 mason           'Prints the value of LIST to STDERR'
02:02 mason           yep, http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/warn.html
00:51 chris           warn prints to STDERR
00:49 chris_n2        'printf' works fwiw
00:42 chris_n2        ok, perl guru's.... in a perl xs file, what is the proper way to print to STDOUT? would it be 'sprintf' or 'printf'... 'warn' does not seem to work due to the C-ish nature of external function files I guess