Time Nick Message 00:42 chris_n2 ok, perl guru's.... in a perl xs file, what is the proper way to print to STDOUT? would it be 'sprintf' or 'printf'... 'warn' does not seem to work due to the C-ish nature of external function files I guess 00:49 chris_n2 'printf' works fwiw 00:51 chris warn prints to STDERR 02:02 mason yep, http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/warn.html 02:02 mason 'Prints the value of LIST to STDERR' 02:05 chris_n2 somehow I knew that, but did not know that when I needed to :-P 02:59 chris_n2 any thoughts on this: 02:59 chris_n2 C:\Program Files\Zebra\bin>zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f "C:\Progra~1\koha\etc\koha-conf.xml" 02:59 chris_n2 file:///C:/Progra~1/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml:82: element include: XInclude error : failed build URL 02:59 chris_n2 file:///C:/Progra~1/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml:109: element include: XInclude error : failed build URL 02:59 chris_n2 file:///C:/Progra~1/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml:153: element include: XInclude error : failed build URL 02:59 chris_n2 21:57:43-10/11 [warn] XInclude processing failed for config C:\Progra~1\koha\etc\koha-conf.xml 03:05 chris_n2 Koha on win32: http://i33.tinypic.com/18zkvo.jpg 03:26 chris_n2 and with Zebra running: http://i38.tinypic.com/zupa3k.jpg 03:28 Amit hi brendan, chris, chris_n2 03:28 Amit good morning #koha 03:29 chris_n2 hello Amit 04:33 brendan hello amit 04:37 chris_n2 g'night 07:23 Ropuch Morning #koha 08:20 Ropuch Good morning paul_p 08:26 hdl bonjour 08:28 hdl chris around ? 08:33 chris yep 08:33 chris just adding sindhi to translate.koha.org 08:34 chris i think koha will soon be one of the most translated pieces of software 08:48 kf morning #koha 08:53 hdl hi kf 08:54 hdl armistice day in France. 08:54 hdl Have you seen the celebration for the wall ? 08:55 kf hi hdl 08:55 kf part of it 08:55 kf what was in the news, but not the whole celebration 09:02 Ropuch Hello kf, hdl 09:02 chris hi kf 09:02 Ropuch Hi chris 09:06 kf hi chris and guten morgen Ropuch 11:00 brendan @wunder 93117 11:00 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.6�C (2:59 AM PST on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). 11:01 CGI520 hi 11:01 CGI520 this is nithin from india 11:01 CGI520 i need a support from u 11:01 CGI520 pls help me 11:02 CGI520 how to use koha 2.2.5 database to koha 3 11:08 greenmang0 CGI520: as far as i know.. when i tried to use latest version of koha with older koha db.. koha did upgradation of older db 11:11 CGI520 hi greenmango0 11:12 CGI520 hi greenmang0 11:12 CGI520 pls answer my doubt 11:12 greenmang0 CGI520: as far as i know.. when i tried to use latest version of koha with older koha db.. koha did upgradation of older db 11:24 niny error in make test 11:25 niny t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t .. DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /usr/local/src/koha-3.00.02/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 485. 11:25 niny any idea ? 11:32 niny can any body help us 11:36 kf niny: sorry, I dont know how to solve your problem. perhaps try posting your error message to the mailing lists 11:40 Ropuch niny: have you creted a koha database? 11:42 niny yes Ropuch 11:43 niny with name as 'koha' 11:44 niny created system user koha 11:44 niny and db user kohaadmin 11:44 Ropuch grant all on koha.* to 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' identified by 'katikoan'; 11:44 niny done 11:45 niny I had a XML::LibXML version 1.59 make test error 11:45 niny I ignored it and done make install 11:45 niny is that the problem / 11:45 niny ? 11:51 paul_p2 niny, for sure this is not why you've "koha.Systempreferences doens't exist" 11:51 paul_p2 (but, you may have problems later. You REALLY need the uptodate version of LibXML 11:52 paul_p2 the previous problem can come from mysql login/pass being wrong. 11:52 paul_p2 kf: still about ? 11:52 kf paul_p2: here 11:52 paul_p2 kf: http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha;a=commit;h=ed047fead87b2ddf209758ad4a0eaabaa0cb8cad? 11:52 niny we have given root's password and kohaadmin users password as same 11:53 paul_p XSLT for UNIMARC and staff available here 11:53 paul_p niny: no idea then :( 11:53 kf paul_p2: sorry, something is wrong with the link 11:53 niny its ok 11:53 paul_p oups... remove the ? at the en 11:53 paul_p d 11:54 kf just figured out 11:54 * paul_p head for lunch, REALLY HUNGRY !!! 11:54 paul_p see you in a few minuts 11:55 kf paul_p: lunch time here too - ttyl :) 11:55 niny i am using CentOS 5.3 11:55 niny and perl-XML-LibXSLT needs version 1.59 11:56 niny when we tried to install, it asked for XML-LibXML-1.59 11:57 niny But after compilation, make test of XML-LibXML-1.59 shows error 11:57 niny then we ignored it and went for make install 12:36 kf kf: back 12:41 chris_n g'morning #koha 12:41 chris_n @wunder 28334 12:41 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 13.0�C (7:19 AM EST on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Thursday evening... 12:41 brendan morning chris_n 12:42 chris_n *lots* of rain here 12:42 brendan @wunder 93117 12:42 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 10.7�C (4:39 AM PST on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). 13:22 kf @wunder konstanz 13:22 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0�C (2:00 PM CET on November 11, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 13:22 jwagner good morning kf 13:22 kf good morning jwager 13:29 jwagner I'm working on a patch to fix the default setup for a couple of the delivered z39.50 targets. Are there any others people would like to add into the default list while I'm in there? There was a posting on the Koha list from Agnes Rivers-Moore last month with some useful targets. 13:41 jwagner Too late now :-) just sent the patch. 14:01 kf thd: around? 14:06 kf thd-away: around? 15:26 jwagner Any French speakers online for a syspref translation? 15:34 hdl jwagner: I am here 15:35 jwagner hdl, thanks. See Bug 3093 -- it's causing problems for a couple of my sites, so I'm doing a syspref to turn it off. 15:35 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3093 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, sedwards@alloycomputing.com, ASSIGNED, Enhance placing of holds in staff interface 15:35 jwagner The description is : If ON, displays the Place Hold button at the top of the search results list in staff and OPAC. Sites whose policies require tighter control over holds may want to turn this option off and limit users to placing holds one at a time. 15:46 hdl jwagner: Si Activé, affiche le bouton de réservation en hat des listes de résultats à l'intranet et à l'OPAC. Les bibliothèques dont les règles de réservations sont strictes devraient désactiver cette option et restreindre les utilisateur à ne placer qu'une réservation à la fois 15:47 jwagner Merci beaucoup! 15:48 wizzyrea lol oi my 50k record import into my virtualbox koha install is at 18%, I started it yesterday 15:48 brendan out of memory? 15:48 wizzyrea I don't think so, it's still going 15:49 wizzyrea I mean, I saw it change from 17% to 18% 15:49 wizzyrea it's just slooow 15:49 wizzyrea (it's a leach off of my working system) 15:49 wizzyrea (my desktop, that is_ 15:49 wizzyrea (and it's not the fastest computer in the world)) 16:01 |Lupin| good day all 16:02 kf hi Lupin 16:02 |Lupin| guten nachmitag kf 16:02 |Lupin| hallo :) wie geht es dir ? 16:03 |Lupin| oops :) 16:06 hdl jwagner: no problem 16:26 brendan Hi Nate 16:27 Nate hiya bren! 16:31 kf bye #koha 16:38 schuster wizzyrea - when I did it on my laptop it took forever as my laptop only had 1 gig of memory and my HD was 120 meg - the drive kept getting full due to the indexing of idb - after 24 hours more drive space would be opened as idb ?tables from mysql would delete. 16:38 schuster sorry 120 meg should be gig. 16:39 schuster oh I don't know that was last year... ;) 16:50 |Lupin| hdl: hi. around ? 17:03 |Lupin| or perhaps someone else 17:03 |Lupin| is it mandatory that items have barcodes to be able to issue them ? 17:06 wizzyrea schuster: that may be my problem 17:06 wizzyrea 19% woot! 17:21 brendan wizzyrea and schuster aren't you both supposed be on holiday today 17:27 |Lupin| see you later, bye 17:27 schuster brendan - HA! 17:27 schuster Only those federal folks... 17:27 brendan guessing that's a no 17:35 wizzyrea yea,, not us 17:36 jwagner Technically it's a holiday for us, but our company allows us to swap it for the day after Thanksgiving, and I needed to be in today anyway. 17:36 wizzyrea i'm sure I probably could have told them I was too well to attend 17:36 wizzyrea ;) 17:40 sekjal wait, today's a holiday (by someone's reckoning)? 17:40 wizzyrea veterans day in the US 17:40 sekjal really? already? 17:40 wizzyrea yepper 17:41 * sekjal remembers to remember the veterans 17:42 jwagner Yes, a solemn Remembrance Day/Armistice Day/Veterans Day to all. 17:52 chris morning 17:53 brendan morning chris 17:54 paul_p bye everybody 18:35 |Lupin| hi again, everybody 18:53 chris ok of to work 18:53 chris off also 19:32 chris back 19:34 richard hi 19:35 chris hiya richard 19:35 chris_n g'afternoon 19:38 |Lupin| hi richard, chris_n, chris 19:39 |Lupin| chris: I've a question abot the Circulation::AddIssue function. Why does it take a barcode ars arguemnt, and why is there no way to pass it an itemnumber ? is that a bug or a design choice ? 19:40 chris design choice 19:40 chris things without barcodes, shouldnt circulate 19:41 chris (even if you just copy the itemnumber to the barcode field .. everything you want to circulate needs a barcode) 19:42 |Lupin| chris: what's the rationale behind that ? I didn't associate bacodes with my items (they are digital), and want to call AddIssue each time a file is downloaded, for statistical purposes. Shall I add barcode to all the items ? 19:42 |Lupin| chris: well, it the context of a digital library, it's not that appropriate, IMHO... 19:43 chris koha isnt designed to run a digital library 19:43 chris you are bending it, so you will have to make compromises 19:44 chris barcode is used heavily throughout koha, just write some sql to copy the itemnumber to barcode field, et voila you have barcodes 19:46 |Lupin| chris: hmm the only thing I can do is transmit your remark to my boss... I'm not the one who did this choice 19:46 |Lupin| chris: well, it must also work when an item is added, that I'm not sure how to do... 19:47 chris the easiest way round is to just put a barcode on everything 19:47 chris switch on autobarcode 19:47 chris and it will do it for you 19:47 |Lupin| chris: I understand. I's just that I don't know yet how to implement the filling of the barcode item when a new item is added... 19:48 |Lupin| chris: ok... I was more or less thinking about doing so. But is it ok to (1) copy itemnumbers in the barcode column and (2) turn on autobarcode ? will that work ? 19:49 chris yep, what autobarcode does, is just increment 19:50 chris so it will take the highest number, and increment it 19:50 chris (id turn it on and test it with a couple of items after backing up the db, and running your sql to set all the barcodes) 20:01 Jarson Hello, I have a question: what should I do to make a copy of book to be "on loan"? I have no "place hold" option in OPAC 20:03 chris what version of koha? 20:03 Jarson 3.0.4 20:04 chris do you want people to only be able to place holds on items that are on loan? 20:04 chris if not http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/administration/global-system-preferences/circulation#allowonshelfholds 20:05 Jarson what is a difference if a book is on loan or not? 20:05 chris on loan means you have issued it (checked it out) to someone 20:05 chris ie its not on the shelf, someone has it 20:05 chris so to make something on loan, you need to check the item out to someone 20:06 Jarson Ok, I understand. I want to give my users possibility to reserve books :) 20:07 Jarson so I think the option you have shown me is ok 20:07 chris yes, but do you want them to only reserve ones that are issued, or any ones? 20:07 Jarson any ones 20:07 chris you need to change that system preference then 20:07 Jarson thank you 20:08 ricardo Hi everyone! 20:08 chris Hi ricardo 20:09 ricardo chris: Hi chris! :) I have a question for you. If I want that comments in the PO file are loaded by Pootle (in the "comments" boxes, I think) must I put them above or below the "template position comment lines". Or doesn't it matter? (I don't know if I'm being clear enough) 20:10 chris i don't know myself 20:10 chris we'll have to try it and see 20:11 ricardo chris: OK. I know that it works if it's placed above the "template posiition comment lines" (because there's where Pootle places them). But I'm hand editing the file and I'm placing further comments below them. Oh well, you're right: we'll have to try it 20:11 |Lupin| chris: ok, thanks a lot for the help, t should work, indeed 20:12 chris |Lupin|: cool 20:12 |Lupin| chris: that being said I assume barcode and itemnumbers won't probably stay synchronized so I'll really have to lookup the db for a given itemnumber to find out its barcode 20:13 chris yep 20:14 ricardo |Lupin|: Hi Sébastien! :) 20:14 |Lupin| hello ricardo ! :-) 20:15 ricardo |Lupin| / chris: May one of you please slap me, if I ever again make the mistake of contributing for a translation? ;-) 20:17 ricardo chris: I'm guessing it's *useless* to translate strings where both the "msgid" and "mgstr" are commented out. Right? 20:18 chris *nod* 20:18 ricardo chris: Right, thanks... Why are there so many of those, BTW? 20:19 ricardo (s/mgstr/msgstr above) 20:19 chris I think the update.pl just comments out ones that dont exist anymore, rather than deleting them 20:19 chris (in case they come back) 20:19 ricardo chris: Oh, OK. Thanks for the info 20:19 ricardo chris: In "Arnold Schwarzenegger" style? ;-) 20:20 chris :) 20:23 |Lupin| ricardo: do you mean that the strings that are commented in the code appear on pootle as strings needing a translation ? 20:23 chris no they dont appear in pootle 20:23 chris ricardo is translating the file locally 20:23 wizzyrea pootle is the strangest name for a product ever. 20:23 ricardo wizzyrea: LOL! 20:24 ricardo wizzyrea: For that kind of sentence, you have to write: "Pootle. Strangest. Name. Ever!" ;-) 20:28 niny hi 20:29 |Lupin| wizzyrea: you think so ? well knowing where it comes from it's not that strange... 20:29 ricardo niny: Hi 20:29 niny re-installed full OS and trying to install koha 20:29 niny hi ricardo 20:29 niny make test giving error again 20:29 niny http://pastebin.org/52805 20:31 niny any idea 20:31 |Lupin| niny: is it a problem ? does Koha not run ? 20:32 niny we didn't try to do 'make install' 20:33 niny |Lupin|, any idea why make test is failing 20:33 niny or is it safe to run make install 20:34 |Lupin| niny: I never ran make test and if I were you I think I woldn't bother and just run make install and continue 20:34 niny :) 20:36 |Lupin| strange, I just tried to run make test on my KOha and it asks me for the parameters, like when running perl Makefile.PL, whereas the thing is supposed to be configured already 20:36 niny ok 20:36 ricardo |Lupin|: have you remembered to use "--prev-install /path/to/koha-install-log" at the end of the "perl Makefile.PL" line? 20:37 |Lupin| ricardo: I did _not_ run perl Makefile .pl, but make test... should this one receive the --pre-instal thing somehow, too ? 20:38 niny We had a XML::LibXML problem 20:38 ricardo |Lupin|: Ah, no. It doesn't. That's strange 20:38 niny We are installing Koha-3.00.02 on CentOS-5.3 20:38 ricardo niny: What problem? 20:38 ricardo niny: Why don't you install Koha 3.0.4 ? 20:39 |Lupin| ricardo: there are more recent versions of Koha... perhaps you could try them and see if the problem persists... 20:39 niny it needs XML::LibXSLT-1.59 20:39 niny and XSLT needs XML::LibXML-1.59 20:39 chris 3.0.2 does too 20:39 ricardo niny: You've got to blame chris for that. He's the one that wants to require newer versions of Perl modules ;-) 20:40 chris anything that uses the XSLT (which is all of the 3.0.x series) 20:40 chris earlier versions of that module have a bug 20:40 ricardo chris: OK, fair enough :) 20:40 chris if you dont want to use xslt tho (you can run koha without) 20:40 chris or you dont care about the bug 20:40 niny So we compiled and installed 2 of them from CPAN (1.59) 20:40 chris make install wont stop if you ahve an older version 20:41 chris it will just complain, but will still install fine 20:41 niny so this error 255 is not because of that ? 20:42 niny our machine is behind a firewall 20:42 chris unlikely, like |Lupin| said, id ignore the make test fail 20:42 niny is that problem ? 20:42 chris and make install anyway 20:42 niny ok chris. we are going to do that 20:42 ricardo niny: But is your problem downloading stuff from CPAN, because you're behind a firewall? 20:43 niny no no, its downloading and installed every perl modules. I just asked 20:43 ricardo niny: Oh, OK 20:43 niny because , these exact setup worked for my friend 20:44 niny at his home machine , we are using the same steps/scenario 20:46 ricardo niny: OK 20:46 niny ricardo, chris, we are running make install. 20:47 chris good luck 20:49 ricardo (Line 40540 of the PO file. Oh boy... this *never* ends!) 20:49 chris heh 20:50 |Lupin| ricardo: why are you translating locally rather that in pootle ? 20:50 ricardo chris: If, when I send the PO file to you, you send me back an updated file with some hundreds / thousands more of strings to translate, I will *not* be held accountable for my own actions! ;-) 20:50 ricardo |Lupin|: Speed! :) 20:51 ricardo (all the power of "vim" available) 20:51 |Lupin| ricardo: power ? I'm sure you meant emacs :p 20:51 ricardo |Lupin|: Oh good. Text editors "holy war"! Let me get my rifle, first... ;-) 20:53 ricardo I'm ashamed to say that I had 2 failed attempts of learning "vim" and 2 failed attempts to learn "emacs". At the 3rd attempt of learning "vim", I finally succeeded. And so, that's what I use 20:54 |Lupin| ricardo: regarding editors I'm totally agnostic, using myself joe, emacs and vim from time to time... I said that just to tease you... 20:54 ricardo |Lupin|: eheheh 20:55 ricardo Besides (g)vim, when in Windows, I also use "Notepad++" and PSPad 20:56 |Lupin| ricardo: perhaps you know the answer to this: how would you convert the unix-line line terminators to window-like ones ? that is, how would you, under Windows, replace the \n by a \r ? 20:58 ricardo |Lupin|: I think that you'll have to replace "\n" by "\r\n"... but most editors (like Notepad++) have some "Format" option to do that transformation in a mouse click 20:59 ricardo (there are some coolest terms to translate in UNIMARC world - "infrared line scanning". ooooh) 21:07 brendan chris_n around? 21:07 chris_n brendan: here 21:08 brendan koha/labels/label-edit-batch.pl 21:08 brendan would be nice to add a select all button 21:08 brendan when managing a batch of records 21:09 brendan that way if you had thirty barcodes -- and you wanted to export 29 of them 21:09 brendan it would be easier to select all and then unselect one - instead of selecting all 29 21:09 chris_n right; I had that on my list somewhere once upon a time.... feel free to add it :-) 21:09 brendan Ok, busy for the next few 21:10 brendan maybe on the weekend 21:10 brendan I'll let you know if i get to it 21:10 chris_n I also intended to do a multiple delete/edit option 21:11 brendan that would be cool 21:11 chris_n I'm deep into the patron card stuff atm, but will revisit the label code prior to submission of the new code 21:11 brendan cool 21:11 brendan will send a patch if I get to it 21:11 chris_n if you don't get to the button before I get there, I'll add it 21:12 chris_n bbiab 21:12 brendan thanks chris_n 21:12 brendan chris_n++ 21:20 ricardo chris: I hope to send you the PO file (for Portuguese - staff) on Friday. Is that OK (for 3.0.5)? I think hdl told me he was thinking about releasing it next week 21:20 chris yep, sounds good 21:21 ricardo chris: Cool, thanks :) 21:21 ricardo Well, I had enough for today. Going to leave back to home. Take care everyone! 21:22 chris ttyl 21:22 ricardo chris:sure. bye! 21:33 brendan in a bit #koha 21:50 schuster just checking if merging bibs made it to the 3.2 timeline? Was that on target? 21:50 wizzyrea_mobi-1 Gah I was hoping jdavidb was still around 21:50 chris schuster: yep it did 21:50 wizzyrea_mobi-1 Didn't biblibre do some of that? 21:50 chris yep 21:51 wizzyrea_mobi-1 Sweet 21:51 chris the patches ahve been sent, i did some testing 21:51 chris im not sure if its been pushed into main git, but im sure it will be when galen has time 21:53 wizzyrea_mobile Well the code exists 21:53 chris yep 21:53 chris it just needs to be merged in 21:53 wizzyrea_mobile So that's good 21:53 chris it exists and its public 21:53 chris which is all you need 22:07 |Lupin| k, goodnight folks ! 22:10 chris brendan: congrats on the new go live 22:12 brendan hey Thanks chris 22:12 brendan :) 22:45 chris_n2 interesting.... has anyone tested the web-installer lately with a db user that *does not* have correct db permissions? 22:45 chris nope, what happens? 22:45 * chris_n2 notes that it appears to always say the user has all required permissions even when they don't 22:45 brendan heh 22:46 chris_n2 which may account for some of the confused posts to the list which are clearly errors in the user/permissions 22:46 chris *nod* 22:46 chris sounds like we need to fix that 22:46 * chris_n2 is debugging on his win32 install ;-) 22:50 chris_n2 nothing like a lying installation script 23:59 ian mason: apple on the fridge for you