Time Nick Message 00:16 |Lupin| k, time to go sleeping 00:16 |Lupin| bye all 01:44 brendan Happy Halloween 01:44 brendan everybody 01:44 brendan :) 01:50 pianohacker hallo brendan! 01:50 brendan heya pianohacker 01:50 brendan got some little trick or treaters stopping over -- it's so cute 01:50 pianohacker how's your halloween going? 01:51 pianohacker we are getting an insane number; usually get maybe one or two groups, already fivee 01:54 brendan wow -- we've gotten 13 kids so far 01:58 pianohacker and there's another, something weird is going on 01:58 pianohacker anything else interesting in your neck of the woods? 02:59 chris afternoon 03:03 brendan where up over thirty vistors so far 03:03 brendan at my old house in CT -- our record high was 114 03:03 brendan so I don't think we are getting that close this year 03:03 brendan but still a fun evening had by all 03:04 pianohacker wow, that's insane, brendan 03:04 pianohacker hi, chris 06:39 Ropuch Morning, #koha 07:00 chris hi Ropuch 07:16 Ropuch Hello chris 08:02 brendan hi ropuch chris 08:02 brendan time for me to go to bed :) 08:02 brendan later all 09:36 susan Hi 09:37 susan I am hoping someone can help me with an issue I have come across. I created a new authority, and when I did zebra rebuild -a it picks up a new 1 record has been added 09:37 susan however when I go and "Search" for that authority, it says "oAuth Error: Database Unavailable (109( Bib-1 09:38 susan I am unsure of how to proceed from here...what database is it referring to? ANd why do the MARC records show up, once I create a new one..meaning Zebra is working fine..??? 09:38 susan Any help would be greatly appreciated.. 09:56 susan Anyone there? Or everyone is sleeping :) 10:15 |Lupin| Susan: hi 10:15 |Lupin| Susan: do you need some help ? 10:22 Susan Yes 10:22 Susan hi lupin 10:22 Susan I am unsure if you are familiar with the Authorities section of Koha 10:22 Susan If you are. I will explain my problem. My biblios are index correctly and when searching for any, it gives me results 10:23 Susan However for Authorities, if lets say I createa new "Personal Name", then enter the details, save. Then rebuild zebra with -a, it says exported 1 record 10:23 Susan but when I search for this authority. I can't see anything!. Nothing is returned. Looking into the koha_error log file, it says oAuth, database unavailable (109) 10:24 Susan Been searching google for a while...but I don't know how to go about solving this 10:25 |Lupin| Susan: spontaneously I don't know either, I'm sorry: I indeed don't know the authorities section of KOha 10:26 |Lupin| Susan: still, let me have a look to the code and see whether I can find where the message comes from... 10:26 Susan Thanks for the help, hope someone wakes up and helps me out hehe :) 10:28 |Lupin| Susan: that's unsure on Sunday morning... 10:28 |Lupin| Susan: can you please copy/paste here one complete message from koha_error ? 10:29 Susan Sure thing, 10:31 Susan [Sun Nov 15 13:53:59 2009] [error] [client 172.21.255.32] [Sun Nov 15 13:53:59] authorities-home.pl: oAuth error: Database unavailable (109) Bib-1, referer: http://172.21.236.24:8080/cgi-bin/koha/authorities/authorities-home.pl 10:31 Susan I had to write it, because I am using a virtual machine, and it doesnt seem to allow me to copy outside of it :) 10:31 Susan so I had to write that! 10:33 |Lupin| wow, congratulations 10:33 Susan pardon? 10:33 |Lupin| Susan: but that helps, because it says where the error comes from, so please let me examine this script and I may be able to help you then 10:33 Susan Anyways, searching on this Bib-1 109 it says that Zebra is telling me that no records are available 10:34 Susan sorry I don't have a script. I didn't change any code base..its the exact KOHA code 10:34 |Lupin| Susan: I think bib-1 refers to the record with number 1 in Koha 10:34 |Lupin| Susan: never mind. I was congratulating you for having written all that, now I'm looking at this part of Koha 10:35 Susan oh ok :) Sorry 10:45 Susan looking at my zebradaemon file 10:45 Susan I get the following 10:45 Susan zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebra/authorities/shaodw.....etc [ Permissions Denied] 10:46 Susan Search authorities ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @attr 2=103 @attr = "1=_ALL Records" ' ' @attr = "1=Heading" @attr 7=1 0 11:01 |Lupin| Susan: sorry, I had problems with Internet 11:01 |Lupin| Susan: can you please see if you can find Zebra logs with information at the end of the log 11:02 |Lupin| ? 11:02 |Lupin| Susan: if you don't know where they are, tell me and I'll help you to find them 11:04 Susan zebra logs? 11:04 Susan Let me see 11:04 Susan I will login again from the vmware, give me a minute please 11:07 susan2 11:48:37-01/11 zebrasrv(1) [log] profilePath=/etc/koha/zebradb/biblios/etc:/etc/koha/zebradb/etc:/etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios:/etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/en cwd=/var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios 11:48:37-01/11 zebrasrv(1) [log] 0 keys, 0 sysnos, rank 11:48:37-01/11 zebrasrv(1) [log] term="covey" nn=0 type=rank,w=32,u=1003 count=0 11:48:37-01/11 zebrasrv(1) [log] term="covey" nn=0 type=rank,w=26,u=1003 count=0 11:48:37-01 11:07 susan2 that does not loook nice........... 11:07 |Lupin| susan2: look for something like /var/log/koha-zebra-daemon, or something like that. If you don't find, ell me, We will see. 11:07 susan2 Hi lupin, this is the end of the file koha-zebradaemon-output.log 11:08 susan2 11:48:37-01/11 zebrasrv(1) [debug][log] zebra_register_open rw = 0 useshadow=0 p=0x9303b30,n=,rp=(none) 11:48:37-01/11 zebrasrv(1) [log] profilePath=/etc/koha/zebradb/biblios/etc:/etc/koha/zebradb/etc:/etc/koha/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios:/etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/en cwd=/var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios 11:48:37-01/11 zebrasrv(1) [log] 0 keys, 0 sysnos, rank 11:48:37-01/11 zebrasrv(1) [log] term="covey" nn=0 type=rank,w=32,u=1 11:08 susan2 I hope you can see it better than me. I am using the webclient for IRC. 11:09 |Lupin| susan2: yes I can see it... is that the only file you have ? don't you have one ending with .er ? 11:09 susan2 I do, but that has nothing..I will display it 11:10 susan2 20090903 14:40:41 koha-zebra-ctl.koha: client (pid 18638) exited with 1 status 20090903 14:40:41 koha-zebra-ctl.koha: client (pid 18639) exited with 1 status 20090903 14:40:41 koha-zebra-ctl.koha: client (pid 18640) exited with 1 status 20090903 14:40:41 koha-zebra-ctl.koha: terminating too quickly, waiting 30 seconds 20090903 14:41:11 koha-zebra-ctl.koha: client (pid 18647) exited with 1 status 20090903 14:41:11 koha-zebra-ctl.ko 11:12 susan2 do you know how I can open the file authoritysocket??? 11:12 |Lupin| susan2: ok... 11:12 |Lupin| susan2: it's the thing that KOha uses to talk to zebra. 11:12 |Lupin| susan2: it's not a regular gile 11:14 susan2 I am looking into this issue online..and there is a previous irc log file that was discussing something similar 11:14 susan2 and they mentioned I look into that 11:16 |Lupin| susan2: there must be a problem in the way Koha tries to connect to zebra 11:16 |Lupin| susan2: or zebra is not there to respond... 11:16 susan2 I am unsure of how to check for that. I know that zebra scans biblios, and everytime I add a new biblio, it scans it and it shows up in Koha 11:17 susan2 There must be a difference between the authority db and the biblios db, because Koha+Zebra+Biblios = Good, while Koha+Authorities+Zebra = No good 11:17 susan2 I am usnure...getting very frustrated..sighs.. 11:18 susan2 give me a minute please..my computer is sloooow I have to restart 11:21 Susan-Dev It seems previously I copied the wrong contents for you Lupid. 11:21 Susan-Dev Kindly note the below: This is from the correct file, showing the error 11:21 Susan-Dev Lupin* 11:21 Susan-Dev 13:53:59-15/11 zebrasrv(107) [request] Search authorities ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @attr "1=Heading" @attr 7=1 0 @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr "1=Heading" susan 13:54:00-15/11 zebrasrv(107) [session] Connection closed by client 14:04:21-15/11 zebrasrv(108) [session] Session - OK 108 unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/authoritysocket 369 14:04:21-15/11 zebrasrv(108) [log] User perm for perm.koha: rw 14:04:21-15/11 zebrasrv(108 11:23 |Lupin| ahah... 11:24 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: can you please explain me exactly how you did your athority search ? 11:24 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: I guess you first log in to the staff client, and then, what are you doing ? 11:25 Susan-Dev ok. I will first tell you how I added an Authority. I went to new authority --> Personal Name --> Tab 1 Titled Heading -- Personal Name - Entered under tag a [Personal Name] Susan M 11:25 Susan-Dev Save. 11:26 Susan-Dev Searching Authority. -- Select "Personal Name" from combo box ,contains, "Susan" 11:26 Susan-Dev .....I get nothing 11:26 Susan-Dev :) 11:27 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: ok... 11:27 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: okay. And how exactly did you rebuild the zebra index ? which command did you run ? 11:28 Susan-Dev The following 11:28 Susan-Dev sudo perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -r 11:28 Susan-Dev Then I search for "susan" under "Personal Name" and nothing is returned... 11:29 Susan-Dev The problem is I faced a similar issue to this before with Biblios..but all I remember was permissions..NOT what was eeffected..I should soo record these problems somewhere 11:31 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: I have to admit I don't know how to help... 11:31 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: I'm sorry 11:32 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: the only thing I can suggest is that you post to koha@lists.katipo.co.nz 11:32 Susan-Dev Its ok, I will continue on searching..Hopeully someone wakes up soon :) 11:33 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: I think the mailing list is worth trying... there are more ppl following the list than the IRC chan 11:33 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: first subscribe to the list so that your message gets send to it without being moderated 11:33 Susan-Dev ok will do, Thanks for your time. 11:34 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: explain the problem and show the error you have copied (the last thing you showed me) 11:34 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: np, sorry it was not more useful to you 11:35 Susan-Dev its alright, Thanks anyways 11:35 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: another advice is: if you are not really in a hurry about solving this issue, just post to the list and do something else until you get a response, else you are going to become crazy with your problem and then sad that you have lost one day for it... 11:36 |Lupin| have to go now... take care and see you later, bye 12:48 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: could you make some progress ? 14:28 |Lupin| someone here who knows why dates appear twice in Apache logs, please ? 15:14 nengard morning all - i'm working on the manual and need to see someone's opac who has opacdisplay languages turned on for a screenshot - any pointers? 15:15 nengard found one: http://salinas.kohalibrary.com/ 15:30 Koha-Susan anyone awake? :) 15:30 |Lupin| Koha-Susan: still here, but I guess you want somebody else :) 15:31 Koha-Susan hehe hi Lupin 15:31 Koha-Susan I actually sent to the mailing list koha-dev today 15:31 Koha-Susan but right now its night my time so i thought someone might be awake 15:32 Koha-Susan I really need some pointers so tomorrow at work I can solve it...the issue is, I am the only one and I have like 5 apps on top of my head, all want to finish at once 15:32 Koha-Susan hehe 15:32 Koha-Susan under a lot of stress. 15:32 |Lupin| yes... 15:33 |Lupin| Koha-Susan: I can't help, I'm sorry. 15:33 |Lupin| Koha-Susan: where are you from ? 15:33 Koha-Susan Canadian, working in Abu Dhabi, uae 15:33 Koha-Susan and don't worry about it..I will just stay on till someone else replies here, or I fall a sleep 15:33 Koha-Susan either or, 15:36 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: keep in mind it's sunday... 15:36 |Lupin| Koha-Susan: during working days the chan is full of talented persons 15:36 |Lupin| Koha-Susan: if I were you I would post to Koha-users 15:36 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: I mean, not the -dev list. 15:37 |Lupin| Koha-Susan: there are more persons and the message is more in the topic of that list 15:37 Koha-Susan don't understand, ? 15:37 Koha-Susan last time I got really great help here :) 15:38 Koha-Susan I am patient...I think, I can wait :) 15:43 |Lupin| Koha-Susan: I mean, your question is more appropriate on the Koha list than on the Koha-dev list, IMO 15:43 Koha-Susan oh...the koha-list..? I will send it again then right now 15:43 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: by the way: do you have other authorities in your database apat the one you added ? 15:45 Koha-Susan sent it just now, thanks for telling me 15:47 |Lupin| Koha-Susan: np 15:47 |Lupin| Susan-Dev: by the way: do you have other authorities in your database apat the one you added ? 15:48 Koha-Susan I added 4 15:48 Koha-Susan all the same way 15:48 Koha-Susan empty authority, except tab 1, tag a, i put a value 15:49 Koha-Susan then went back to tab 0 clicked save 15:49 Koha-Susan told me it requies other things, IT did AUTO fill, then I did save 15:49 Koha-Susan but as user entry I only did one thing for each of the 4 records 15:49 Koha-Susan The annoying thing is, Zebra picks it UP!! in the indexing I see it says exported 15:49 Koha-Susan but when I search..it does not return anything 15:50 Koha-Susan I am having the exact same issues as this person 15:50 Koha-Susan http://old.nabble.com/Authority-search-td22595920.html 15:50 Koha-Susan but he has no solution! 15:51 Koha-Susan in the end, just says issue with connecting to database.... 15:54 |Lupin| Koha-Susan: yeah.. I don't know what to say/do, sorry 15:54 Koha-Susan its ok Lupin, have a good day :) I am continuing to search 15:54 Koha-Susan and wait till someone logs on 16:00 Koha-Susan Have a good night Lupin, I am too tired. I will try again tomorrow morning my time. 16:00 Koha-Susan take care and thanks for trying 18:57 |Lupin| hi again 19:34 richard hi 19:45 |Lupin| hey richard 19:46 richard hi Lupin 19:54 chris well, its been an interesting weekend for sirsi dynix that is for sure 19:55 |Lupin| chris: I don't know what you are talking about ? 19:56 chris http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/SirsiDynix:_Integrated_Library_System_Platforms_on_Open_Source 19:58 richard http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6704622.html 19:59 chris yeah there are links to all the commentary articles like that on the wiki 19:59 chris that one kinda misses the point imo, but there are some good ones, i like this one 19:59 chris http://libniblets.justgiblets.com/2009/10/informed-decisions-and-who-you-get-that-information-from/ 20:01 |Lupin| I'm curious how one could argue againss oepns source software 20:02 |Lupin| too lazy to read the report, though 20:02 chris |Lupin|: its just the usual stuff, could have been written by microsoft, its insecure, helps terrorists, has less features than proprietary etc 20:03 chris all with no evidence 20:05 |Lupin| chris: yeah, I'm pretty sure therewill always be people who want to read that and others who write it to please them and make money out of them 20:06 chris definitely 20:06 |Lupin| chris: btw yesterday pianohacker said Koha may one day use Template::Toolkit, had a look to it today and it looks pretty cool ! is there a schedule for that ? 20:06 chris depends :) 20:06 chris its part of my proposal for 3.4 20:07 |Lupin| chris: I'm definitely in favour of that 20:07 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:rm3.4proposal 20:07 |Lupin| chris: I have found a onverter from HTMP::Template to Template::Toolkit on goole code 20:07 chris linked to from http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:roles3.4 20:07 chris yep, it mostly works 20:07 chris i have a template toolkit branch 20:07 chris and have rewritten C4::Output to use TT 20:08 chris so you will just have to vote for me (joke) :) 20:08 |Lupin| :-) 20:08 chris im sure whoever else is interested in release manager for 3.4 will be in favour of it too 20:12 |Lupin| chris: yeah sounds promising 20:14 |Lupin| I would add increasing the flexibility for circulaiton rules 20:14 |Lupin| but maybe that's for later, if it is realistic at all 20:15 chris thats an rfc for a new feature for 3.4 20:15 |Lupin| :) 20:15 chris so if it gets finished it will make it in 20:17 |Lupin| chris: well, that's not soemething I feel powerful ienough to implement by myself, and since I'm not sure this could interest someone else... 20:17 chris someone already has written an rfc for the circ rules 20:18 chris so that might cover most of it 20:18 |Lupin| ahah 20:20 |Lupin| k, leaving now 20:21 |Lupin| chris: which day is it for you now sunday or monday ? 20:23 chris monday 20:25 |Lupin| chris: ok 20:26 |Lupin| chris: is your timezone the most in the future one, or is there one that comes even after you ? 20:26 chris depends on the time of the year, at the mo we are the most future one 20:26 |Lupin| chris: in other words is nz he first country to celebate new year ? 20:27 chris fiji and nz 20:27 |Lupin| ok 20:31 |Lupin| 'dnight all 20:31 chris night 20:31 |Lupin| tomorrow is a big day for us cause we go live (partially) 20:32 chris good luck 20:32 |Lupin| thanks :) 20:32 |Lupin| pilishing the settings at the moment :) 20:32 |Lupin| polishing 20:33 Ropuch We're going live in a month 20:34 chris excellent 20:35 |Lupin| bye 20:43 Jo Morning all 20:43 chris hi Jo 21:08 chris_n2 hi chris, Jo 21:12 Jo Hiya 21:14 chris hiya chris_n2, hows the weekend goin? 21:16 chris_n2 great, fantastic, etc. :-) 21:33 chris hey brendan, what was the total count? 21:42 * chris_n2 eats a very hot chocolate chip cookie 21:43 ian hey Chris...I missed that expired reserves SQL you posted and Mibbit doesn't have a 'history' - can you whack it back on please? 21:43 chris yep 21:43 chris SELECT * FROM reserves WHERE found = 'W' AND waitingdate < '2009-10-20'; (for ones waiting longer than ten days) 21:44 chris (the date will be wrong now :) 21:46 ian found is at any branch or at destination? 21:46 chris if its marked W then its at its destination (i think) W = waiting 21:47 ian ahhh ...that would make sense :-) 21:47 Jo Ian: http://www.tech-logic.com/solutions/selfservice/combo.asp 21:47 Jo that is the link for the self checks we have settled on. 21:47 * chris is looking forward to getthing them going 21:48 Jo we will have 3 self checks but 1 staff member 'fronting them' to accept cash, smile and interract etc. 21:48 ian ta 21:48 Jo means we wont have to invest in coin and bill handler for those who refuse to use eftpos (which will be part of the self check equipment) 21:49 chris those things (coin and bill handlers) break constantly 21:49 Jo will also handle barcodes and rfid tags so will transition nicely during the conversion process 21:51 Jo and the final selling point for me, is the media passport thingee, which will unlock the dvd security cases: http://www.tech-logic.com/pdf/Media%20Passport.pdf 21:51 Jo when they are issued. 21:52 Jo Ian: you can just buy the software if you want and not the PCs, scanners, printers etc which makes it heaps cheaper. But we are choosing the whole shooting match because our hardware is due for replacement anyway and they are actually competitively priced. 21:54 Jo And this is the personal payment sysytem: http://www.tech-logic.com/solutions/selfservice/pps.asp 21:54 brendan final count one big bag of candy gone :) 21:55 ian can we go somewhere private and talk $ 21:55 Jo #kapiti 21:56 Jo would love to know if anyone in the states has it all working with Kopha 3.0 yet 21:56 brendan we ended up with 37 visitors and lots of excellent little costumes 21:58 chris cool 22:04 brendan chris -- we got some pictures of sonja and I up on facebook 22:05 chris excellent will go look 22:06 pianohacker hello, #koha 22:07 * chris goes to do his performance review 22:07 Jo Chris: I think you are terrific :) 22:07 brendan heya pianohacker 22:08 brendan howdy Jo 22:08 Jo hiya Brdnan 22:08 pianohacker hi, brendan, Jo 22:08 Jo bit mangled .. sorry mate 22:08 brendan :) 22:08 pianohacker good luck, chris 22:16 ricardo Hi everyone 22:18 pianohacker hi, ricardo 22:18 ricardo pianohacker: Hi Jesse 22:24 Jo The Library 101 project is very cool: http://www.libraryman.com/library101/ 22:27 ricardo Jo: Interesting. I didn't know about "Library 101". Thanks for the link! 22:33 pianohacker Fastest lesson in using dist-packaged modules: upgrade and have to spend an hour getting everything working again 22:35 Jo ricardo: its newish I think 22:38 ricardo Jo: OK 22:38 ricardo pianohacker: What was the problem with dist-packaged modules? 22:40 pianohacker ricardo: I used cpan to get all of the necessary modules installed, so when perl upgraded, they didn't get upgraded along with it (there's really only a few you have to install from cpan) 22:40 ricardo pianohacker: OK 22:40 pianohacker ricardo: how are you, anyway? 22:41 ricardo pianohacker: Still drowning in work (I don't like complaining, but life's like that now) 22:41 pianohacker yeah, I can understand 22:41 pianohacker that 22:42 ricardo pianohacker: Thanks for asking though :) And how are you? 22:43 pianohacker very good, have splint off and back to typing and playing two-handed 22:45 ricardo pianohacker: Oh yeah.. Your hand problem, right? So, that's sorted out? That's great! :) What's "splint off"? Is it a synonym for "recovered"? 22:46 pianohacker ricardo: I had a splint on my hand to keep it immobilized while the bones healed, and I finally reached the end of the six-week healing time yesterday 22:47 ricardo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splint_(medicine) 22:47 ricardo Got it. OK. Cool :) 22:50 chris back 22:50 pianohacker chris: still alive and well? 22:50 chris yep, went great 22:51 brendan cheers chris 22:54 ricardo chris / brendan : Hi :) 22:54 chris hiya ricardo 22:54 brendan hello ricardo 22:54 ricardo chris: I received a further "batch" of translations from Marta Grachat. I'm testing it. Doing small fixes, etc... I should be able to submit it to you during next week 22:55 chris fabulous 22:55 * brendan reading more of the reactions around the "tubes" from Stephen Abrams doc. :) 22:55 chris heh 22:55 chris you saw the code4lib wiki page eh? 22:55 brendan that's my base 22:55 chris if you find any that arent listed on there, you can add them 22:55 brendan err... homebase 22:55 chris (dont need to be signed in) 22:56 chris if ricardo knows any more reactions from europe (i have france and sweden so far) :) 22:56 ricardo chris: Sorry, but I'm out of context. Do you have any URL for me? 22:56 chris http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/SirsiDynix:_Integrated_Library_System_Platforms_on_Open_Source 22:57 ricardo That was fast! OK. Let me check that 23:02 ricardo Well, I have just skimmed... It's "mixed. Some of the claims sound reasonable to me. Other seem to be "blanket statements" that are not demonstrated (e.g.: "Proprietary software has more features. Period." 23:03 chris yeah, or that open source helps terrorists 23:03 chris or that proprietary is more secure ;) 23:04 chris i think a major problem most people had is that none of his quotes are cited 23:04 ricardo chris: Oh, but Open Source Software might help terrorists... and proprietary software too. ANY software may help terrorists (and probably help good people too) 23:04 chris :) 23:05 ricardo Imagine: Bin Laden using OpenOffice.org Writer to create some strategy plan. There it is! OSS helping terrorist. Or maybe Bin Laden uses Microsoft Word, instead? Who knows?! ;-) 23:06 chris hehe 23:08 ricardo This one is quoted and is new to me (and funny): 23:08 ricardo "As open source companies assert, it is free like kittens, not free like beer." 23:09 ricardo ( links to http://interwovenblog.com/2008/11/19/open-source-is-free-like-a-free-puppy-is-free/ ) 23:09 chris yeah i make a point not to talk about cost 23:09 chris its free as in freedom 23:09 ricardo Right 23:10 chris good comments on that 23:11 ricardo chris: You mean comments to that post in the "Interwoven Blog", right? Yes, I'm skimming a few of them right now 23:12 chris yep