Time  Nick       Message
23:07 ricardo    hdl: Are you still there?
22:21 ricardo    :)
22:20 chris      hehe
22:19 ricardo    hdl: And congrats to you too!  :)  After being a Release Manager /  Release Maintainer (which I'll bet is a *HUGE* task), I was expecting that one would say to someone else that volunteers as a RM not "congrats" but "my condolences"  ;-)
22:18 chris      thanks hdl
22:17 ricardo    chris: Someone, yes
22:17 hdl        chris: congrats.
22:17 chris      someone has too
22:17 chris      ive done it twice before :)
22:16 ricardo    chris: That's a very courageous move... I have to admit I'm NOT that brave!
22:10 * chris    updates the roles for 3.4 page, just got sign off my from employer to stand for release manager
21:41 ricardo    chris: OK, no problem. Thanks anyway
21:41 chris      not sure actually ricardo
21:32 ricardo    chris: Do you know if I should check somefile besides "Makefile.PL" for this installation issue(s) ?
21:30 ricardo    chris: Nice. Thanks for the info
21:29 chris      http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:roles3.4
21:29 ricardo    :)
21:29 chris      hehe
21:29 ricardo    chris: Yeah... So, I guess that misunderstanding may also be the start of some beautiful friendships  ;-)
21:25 ricardo    chris: LOL
21:25 chris      "I was just buying something at the shop and i said i only have a $20 and the guy said sweet ass, new zealanders are very free with the compliments eh?"
21:24 ricardo    chris: ROTFL!
21:24 chris      who was quite flattered so many guys were telling her she had beautiful anatomy ;-)
21:24 ricardo    chris: Eheh... I can imagine the situation
21:24 ricardo    brendan: LOL!
21:24 chris      hehe yes, i had a friend from canada visiting here
21:24 brendan    :)
21:23 brendan    sweet
21:23 ricardo    chris: I bet that you have to be careful with that expression, if you go outside of NZ (but to other English speaking nation) and say that expression near a girl. She may think that you said something slightly different!  ;-)
21:22 ricardo    Right, eheh
21:22 chris      yeah
21:22 chris      i think its an nz one
21:22 ricardo    " Second most common phrase in New Zealand after "awesome".  "
21:22 ricardo    Didn't know that one!  :)
21:22 ricardo    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sweet%20as
21:22 chris      sweet as
21:21 ricardo    chris: Yes, I'll try to test it tomorrow (I'm back at home, and I don't have access to the server and, unfortunately, I forgot to check the Koha error logs before returning home. Again, I'll do that tomorrow, if I find the time - have a meeting scheduled for mid-morning)
21:20 chris      could well be
21:20 ricardo    chris: I'll test it, nevertheless. Maybe, there's some small bug in "Makefile.PL" for upgrades.
21:20 chris      *nod* maybe you could do a post to the mailing list?
21:19 ricardo    chris: Right... I'm confident that it will and I thank you for the tip. But I'm concerned that other users may also be affected by this (maybe also for other translations) and they probably wouldn't know the workaround of deleting the "xx-YY" directory and run "install-code.pl"
21:18 chris      see if that fixes it
21:18 chris      then run install-code.pl pt-PT again, and copy the files
21:18 ricardo    chris: I catched the 2nd one, for sure... I'm not sure that I installed the 3rd one (I think I didn't)
21:18 chris      i think the best bet is to run the upgrade
21:18 chris      did you catch the latest fixed release?
21:17 ricardo    chris: I'm having an issue, regarding an upgrade of a previous 3.0.3 install (NOT a git install) to 3.0.4 (using the "perl Makefile.PL --prev-install /path/to/koha-install.log"). In OPAC, I'm not getting the updated translation and in the Intranet, I'm getting a strange "look" (like I got some time ago, where the "pt-PT" directory was missing some folders)
21:17 ricardo    chris: You're welcome  :)
21:17 chris      thank you
21:15 ricardo    (It's obvious this was and is a very difficult task and I think both are dealing with it very well)
21:13 ricardo    First things first: my thanks and congratulations to Henri (hdl) for releasing Koha 3.0.4 and to Chris (chris) for managing the translation process.
21:13 ricardo    chris: Hi!  :)
21:13 chris      hi ricardo
21:12 ricardo    Hi everyone!
20:16 chris      he's been asking for it for ages ... and we have no idea where he got the idea from
20:16 brendan    ha
20:16 chris      hehe, kahurangi turns 3 next month, i have to make a lion cake
20:16 brendan    the last pictures I saw looked excellent
20:15 brendan    I want to see some more fancy pancakes for your kids -- chris
20:15 brendan    enjoy
20:15 brendan    ah nice
20:15 chris      labour day on monday
20:14 brendan    oh long weekend
20:14 richard    yeah
20:13 chris      gotta love friday before a long weekend :)
20:10 richard    lol
20:10 chris      they have leaked LEK? :-)
20:09 richard    friday link - http://wikileaks.org/
19:52 * chris    isnt quite sure why slef is trying to pick a fight, i think ill just ignore it
19:45 chris      heya hdl, was just gonna check you still dont have access to download.koha.org but i did my blog post anyway
19:43 hdl        chris hi
19:41 richard    hi chris
19:41 chris      hiya richard
19:41 richard    hi
19:41 chris      back
19:11 sekjal     brendan: oh, yuck
19:11 brendan    I don't think I'll have a chance to meet up with nicomo tonight
19:11 brendan    man plane delayed 4 fours
19:09 hdl        chris hi
19:04 * chris    goes to catch his bus
19:01 * chris    does a blog post pointing to the fixed tarball on koha-fr
18:54 chris      hdl: you around?
18:54 * chris    pops in quickly before catching his bus
18:01 snkahn     getting the error 'patron does not exist' when I try to add staff patrons
18:00 snkahn     Hi, trying to configure a brand new install of 3.004
16:30 schuster   wizzyrea about?
14:38 slef       schuster: once we are sure our bug is general, we submit it to bugs.koha.org
14:31 schuster   I want the form to ask for their email address in case they want to contact the sender of the cart.
14:31 schuster   http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3377
14:31 schuster   Anybody else have this problem?  When people send a cart it defaults to the default email as a return.  I created a "bug" request for this:
14:30 schuster   hmmm drat.
14:30 schuster   Owen here?
14:28 schuster   hmmm I found 3340 and 3312 to be the same?  3340 has more detail so any reason to not close 3312? and reference 3340?
14:25 schuster   hee hee...
14:25 schuster   That's one of the reasons we joined Koha was for the community of programmers!
14:25 schuster   Yep...  I'd love a team of free programmers personally not more me's I have enough ideas just need implementers!
14:22 jwagner    What we all need are more hours in the day, or clones to do all the work we can't get to :-(
14:21 schuster   OK great.  I have a couple that I have "sponsored" that I need to make sure get up there as well.
14:19 jwagner    schuster, your question about putting things on bugzilla, I've been trying to put our development stuff up there so people would see it & know we were working on it.  There are still several of our items that aren't on the site, some because we're still figuring out what we want to do, and others because I just haven't had the time.  But the goal is to make an entry for all our development items.
14:18 schuster   Guess that's why I created the bug!
14:18 schuster   poo...
14:18 jwagner    Yeah, that's a general Koha thing that needs work.  Not just a LL site thing :-(
14:18 schuster   things/thinks
14:18 schuster   When you run SQL's then the system things the borrower still has this outstanding credit.
14:17 schuster   Yes but there isn't a drop down to say waive, pay etc... so you have to create a manual invoice to clear the record after you give the person money back.
14:17 jwagner    Sorry, in the sense that the original charge is taken off the account.  But it doesn't seem to know or care that it was paid in the meantime.
14:17 jwagner    schuster, yes, I've seen that problem.  If the patron had paid the replacement cost in the meantime, then returned the book, there's a "credit" in the sense.
14:16 schuster   If it was paid already and then a credit is created I don't have a way to indicate I gave them the money back.
14:16 schuster   jwagner - yes that is what I am talking about.
14:16 schuster   Question to all you developer types...  the items that people are working on did you get them into bugs.koha.org so others know you are working on them?
14:15 jwagner    schuster, are you talking about the replacement cost of the item, that was charged & then taken off if the item is returned?
14:15 brendan    good morning schuster
14:14 schuster   Hey Brendan!
14:09 schuster   That credit you can't do anything with...  Maybe this is a LL issue that community doesn't have?
14:08 schuster   When an item is lost and returned it creates a credit on the account
14:06 hdl        but not on production
14:05 hdl        not me
14:00 schuster   Has anyone else experienced this problem as I noted in the bug?http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3607
13:31 |Lupin|    c u
13:31 |Lupin|    ok, bbl
13:30 reiko      the 75mb file ?
13:30 schuster   can you share it with me?
13:29 reiko      that may be the problem
13:28 reiko      and no, i didnt make sure my marc data is good :|
13:28 reiko      about 75mb
13:28 schuster   reiko - have you made sure your MARC data is good?  using MarcEdit or some other marc tool?  How big is your file? or do you just have a sample to work with?
13:25 Nate       morning Koha
13:19 reiko      which is the main thing im trying to achieve right now
13:19 reiko      but i cant migrate my 2.2.8 database to work with 3.0
13:19 reiko      but now i have zebra running and the db accessible
13:19 reiko      zebra had some problems with that but i fixed it
13:18 reiko      nah
13:18 reiko      my problem is that when zebra tries to index over my exported records, h says [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in
13:18 |Lupin|    reiko: perhaps an authenticationissue... ?
13:18 reiko      (bib1,Local-number)
13:18 reiko      [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in
13:17 Ropuch     Hm
13:16 reiko      but my opac-search never worked yet
13:16 reiko      i have a simillar problem
13:16 |Lupin|    hey reiko
13:15 |Lupin|    could somebody help with that, pls ?
13:15 |Lupin|    zebrasrv is running
13:15 |Lupin|    after having rebooted the system the opac-search does not work anylonger
13:15 |Lupin|    I'm encountering problems with opac...
13:15 |Lupin|    hi jdavidb :)
13:15 reiko      hello!
13:15 |Lupin|    hello again Ropuch
13:14 Ropuch     Hello |Lupin|
13:14 jdavidb    Hi |Lupin| !
13:13 |Lupin|    hi again
13:08 Ropuch     s/spent/spend
13:08 Ropuch     Bah, I haven't finished unpacking the 6k books we've been given last month and now i have to spent 50k euro till end of the year
12:59 kf         poor munin
12:51 hdl        lost in outerspace
12:51 kf         hm where is munin? hope he is well :)
12:36 slef       must read scrollback before typing ;-)
12:36 slef       hrm, still no munin
12:33 slef       @later nengard "The server at opensource.web2learning.net is taking too long to respond"
12:19 slef       thanks hdl_away
12:19 Ropuch     I don't think this is a problem - thanks, hdl_away [;
12:12 hdl_away   But I had to release on koha-fr.org since I cannot upload any longer to download.koha.org
12:11 hdl_away   Sorry english ppl,
12:11 hdl_away   I realized that.
12:11 jdavidb    hdl_away:  There's no munin around to do your bidding.
12:08 hdl_away   @later tell chris fixed 3.0.4 release available on http://koha-fr.org/content/diffusion-koha-version-304
12:08 hdl_away   fixed 3.0.4 release available on http://koha-fr.org/content/diffusion-koha-version-304
12:07 hdl_away   hi
12:02 jdavidb    Hi, kf.  :D
12:02 kf         good morning jdavidb
11:41 jdavidb    Good morning, #koha. :)
11:09 Ropuch     kf: don't know yet
10:34 kf         Ropuch: where are you sent to? :)
10:17 Ropuch     Yay, I'll be sent to 1-month language course to Germany
10:12 * chris    goes to bed
10:12 |Lupin|    bye
10:12 |Lupin|    rebooting
10:04 reiko      but ill try, thank you
10:04 reiko      sometimes its hard to catch an error during the procedure
10:03 mason      if you get stuck, someone will help - we just need the error snippet
10:02 mason      have another go ( or 2 ) at the migration, and email the koha-lists with your error output
10:00 mason      yeah- an error in an important part of the script, will give you glitchy bibs :/
09:59 reiko      and some of these scripts he tells me to run give some errors
09:58 reiko      thank you, but that is the one i've been following all along :\
09:58 mason      http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30&s[]=migration
09:58 mason      i can only this one ...
09:56 reiko      do you recommend any documents i could read ?
09:56 reiko      oh, ok.
09:56 mason      and ive recently got home from work, and its 11pm! :)
09:55 mason      and i dont have a working setup to step-thru the process again
09:54 reiko      hmm
09:54 mason      well, its been a year since ive done a koha 2.2 -> 3.0 :/
09:53 reiko      but maybe they weren't enough
09:53 mason      gotcha
09:52 reiko      to 'migrate'
09:52 reiko      i've ran some scripts
09:52 mason      heh
09:52 mason      aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
09:52 reiko      and it may not be correct
09:52 mason      no, what you have just imported into your koha using 'bulmkmarcimport.pl'
09:52 reiko      i've converted a database from 2.2.8 to 3.0
09:51 reiko      you mean in the database ?
09:51 mason      garbage in / garbage out etc..
09:51 mason      are your marc-records correct?....
09:51 mason      or your marc records are very small, or incorrect, null data etc.....
09:50 mason      [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
09:50 reiko      hmm
09:50 mason      ok, you have some errors in your zebra config files , i think.
09:49 mason      thats a successfull rebuild_zeb.pl ...
09:49 mason      http://koha.pastebin.com/m45136a0
09:49 reiko      i can see that now :\
09:49 reiko      yeah
09:49 mason      thats a FAIL ;)
09:47 reiko      10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] Records: 0 i/u/d 0/0/0
09:47 reiko      10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] Dict: inserts/updates/deletions: 27/0/0
09:47 reiko      10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] Iterations: isam/dict 97/27
09:47 reiko      10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] error grs.marcxml.record /tmp/SjXkJEcBh4/biblio/exported_records 0
09:47 reiko      10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
09:47 reiko      10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] dir /tmp/SjXkJEcBh4/biblio
09:44 reiko      100k .. and beyond
09:44 reiko      long exporting, does it mean anything ?
09:44 reiko      its still exporting now
09:44 mason      yep
09:43 reiko      *part
09:43 reiko      thats the aprt when the rebuild_Zebra says re-indexing ?
09:43 mason      pastebin your zeb-index output
09:42 |Lupin|    thanks mason
09:41 reiko      the folder zebradb as 9Mb aprox.
09:41 mason      dpends on yr install selections ,,
09:41 reiko      well, lots of files there
09:41 mason      yep, probably....
09:41 reiko      are these the files in var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios ?
09:40 mason      check zebra index file sizes, befire and after indexing...
09:40 reiko      to do so
09:40 reiko      i'm using rebuild_zebra.pl
09:40 reiko      i'm not sure how to check that
09:40 mason      was yr zebra index successfull?
09:40 reiko      and tried to find and got no results
09:39 reiko      i connected to zebra to biblios
09:39 reiko      i did
09:39 mason      rekio , use yaz-client to debug, first
09:39 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [session] Connection closed by client
09:39 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [request] Search biblios OK 0 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @or @or @or @or @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 a @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=28 @attr 2=102 a @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 a @attr 4=6 @attr 5=103 @attr 9=16 @attr 2=102 a @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 "a " @attr 4=6 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 a
09:39 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01\x0D)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83))
09:39 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01\x0D)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83).*)
09:39 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01\x0D)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83))
09:39 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01')((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83))
09:39 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01))((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83))
09:38 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01%)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83))
09:38 mason      yoda me talks...
09:38 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [request] Init OK - ID:81 Name:ZOOM-C/YAZ Version:3.0.44 d1c53252793e37efda0b7432b18a7c79b9810d86
09:38 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [request] Auth idPass biblio -
09:38 reiko      09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [session] Session - OK 1 unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket 16259
09:38 mason      in koha3 , yes i think, lupin
09:38 reiko      chris yes is running, the logs says:
09:37 |Lupin|    for freshly bulkmarcimported records, is it enough to remove them from the biblios and biblioitems tables to delete them from Koha completely, pls ?
09:37 chris      is there anything the log when you do a search?
09:36 chris      and zebrasrv is definitely running?
09:33 reiko      i've been here last tuesday and chris_n helped me getting rid of the 109 error zebra was giving me. rebuild_zebra.pl filled the var/lib/zebradb directories but neither zebra or manual scan on yaz-client return records, its like the database is empy :\
09:30 reiko      can i ask a question ?~
09:30 reiko      ah, okay
09:29 chris      im chris cormack
09:29 chris      thats ok :) chris_n is chris nighswonger
09:29 reiko      sorry
09:29 reiko      ahh
09:28 chris      no
09:28 reiko      chris_n , are you and chris the same ?
09:21 reiko      hi again chris
08:53 |Lupin|    chris: oodoki, thanks
08:52 chris      hmm dont really have an opinion
08:50 |Lupin|    chris: just wondering what you think about the previously mentionned question...
08:47 chris      yep
08:31 |Lupin|    chris: ?
08:29 Ropuch     Hi
08:18 reiko      hi!
08:05 kf         hi chris and |Lupin|
08:04 |Lupin|    guten tag kf
08:04 |Lupin|    chris: so I was wondering whether those formats that are generated dynamically should be catalogued or if the list shold be computed dynamically when needed, and I was suggested to do that in the xslt...
08:03 chris      hiya kf
08:03 |Lupin|    chris: I'm interested in that because in our digital library we have two types of file formats: those which are stored on the file server and those which are automatically produced on-demand.
08:01 kf         good morning #koha
07:58 chris      no problem
07:57 |Lupin|    chris: thanks !
07:56 chris      http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=tree;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt
07:56 |Lupin|    chris: great ! which file is it, please ?
07:55 chris      there is a unimarc XSLT file now
07:55 chris      not in master
07:54 |Lupin|    is it still true that XSLT customizatons of OPAC work for MARC21 only ?
07:48 |Lupin|    chris: thanks a lot
07:48 chris      should be back to normal now
07:48 |Lupin|    chris: ah I tried to restore that to normal but it didn't really work
07:47 chris      ok you were set to nomail
07:47 chris      the logs
07:47 |Lupin|    in the bot or in the logs ?
07:46 chris      just it ends up in the bot :)
07:46 chris      ahh thats ok
07:46 |Lupin|    chris: oops, sorry
07:45 |Lupin|    chris: subscripton address was Sebastien.Hinderer@snv.jussieu.fr
07:45 chris      message me the email address you think you are subscribe with and i will check
07:45 |Lupin|    chris: I think I should be subscribed to it but didn't get anymessage from it for... a very long time.
07:45 chris      whats the problem?
07:45 |Lupin|    chris: this is preisely the one with which I have a problem
07:44 |Lupin|    ok
07:44 chris      the main koha users list
07:44 chris      koha@lists.katipo.co.nz
07:43 |Lupin|    chris: which one is that ?
07:43 |Lupin|    chris: the mainlist ?
07:34 chris      on the main list yes, not on the @lists.koha.org ones tho
07:34 |Lupin|    chris: btw, I'm looking for someone with list master priviledge on koha lists... do you by chnce have these priviledges ?
07:32 thd        yes I will
07:32 chris      yep, you could send a mail to the lists
07:32 thd        we need a reminder to people
07:31 chris      still a few days to go
07:31 thd        chris: we also have fewer votes in the foundation poll than last time
07:31 chris      its not the formatting that stops me :)
07:30 thd        chris: the lightweight markup languages like AsciiDoc were written for programmers who would never write any documentation if they had to bother about the formatting excessively.
07:29 chris      yep, altho i think she overestimates how much other people will contribute, people always mean too, but not many often do follow through
07:28 thd        chris: she did reply that she wanted others to be able to contribute, so she has the right principle in mind for a community effort
07:28 chris      yep
07:27 thd        chris: Well I told nengard it should really be a personal choice as she would be doing the work.
07:25 chris      there are tons of perl modules that work with docbook, but like i say, i dont actually care
07:24 thd        I know that he had some custom Perl scripts
07:24 thd        chris: He also used something else
07:24 chris      mainly cos you can go from docbook to anything
07:23 chris      docbook
07:23 thd        chris: what was shedges using for kohadocs?
07:23 chris      i suspect ppl will give nicole docs in random formats and she will convert them to something useful, thats what stephen hedges used to dp
07:22 chris      so i dont really have an opinion
07:22 chris      but i dont plan to edit the docs
07:22 thd        DocBook is a good path to LaTeX for fine tuning
07:22 |Lupin|    thd: I'd have said the same about docbook...personnally I find docbook much worse than LaTeX, but I guess that's more a matter of tastes...
07:21 thd        I actually have used LaTeX but LaTeX can inhibit other contributors
07:21 chris      i dont mind docbook, but then i just edit it with a text editor
07:21 * |Lupin|  finds docbook really cumbersome...
07:21 thd        exactly that is what I told nengard
07:20 chris      and it can be easily converted
07:20 chris      i really dont mind what its done in as long as nicole is happy
07:20 thd        |Lupin| yes
07:20 |Lupin|    latex++
07:20 |Lupin|    thd: are you asking because of Koha's manual and the possibility to have it done in AsciiDoc which was discussed on Koha-devel ?
07:20 chris      latex
07:20 thd        chris: what does Catalyst use for documentation?
07:19 chris      nope
07:18 thd        chris: has anyone at Catalyst used AsciiDoc?
07:18 chris      yep
07:18 thd        chris: are you there?
07:14 paul_p     hello |Lupin|
07:14 |Lupin|    hello paul_p !
06:54 |Lupin|    hello Ropuch
06:50 Ropuch     Hi |Lupin|
06:43 |Lupin|    hello all
06:36 brendan    night
06:13 Ropuch     Hi brendan, mason
06:12 mason      im feeling lucky..
06:11 brendan    good luck Mason
06:11 brendan    hi Ropuch
06:11 Ropuch     Morning, #koha
05:54 mason      i think i can sort out a debian-ish MAMP enviroment on my mac
05:53 mason      both macports, and fink package versions look to be quite current
05:52 mason      but i think im up for the challenge again
05:51 mason      i had a go 1.5 years ago,  when i was new to osx, and gave up
05:51 mason      im planning to have a go at setting up a osx-10.4 koha3 for my next 'fun' project..
04:40 chris_n2   off to sleep for real this time
04:39 chris_n2   ok, the guy who manages the Strawberry perl project is going to have a go at installing Koha on strawberry to see if he can figure how to fix the makefile
04:12 chris_n2   its way too late... off to sleep...
04:03 chris_n2   any reason we don't use Module::Build for our installer?
03:48 chris_n2   a response file is the solution, but dmake does not seem to support this
03:47 chris_n2   known possible problem with dmake: "Linux-dmd doesn't seem to support a response file, so currently all filenames are passed to dmd on the command line. So there is a practical limit to the number of files in the application depending on their accumulated path lengths (maybe 100-200 files). But before someone gets near that limit, the problem will have been solved."
03:45 chris      ah ha
03:44 chris_n2   quote: "For MS-DOS, OS/2 & Win95 there is a rather severe restriction on the length of a shell line with the result that the shell line is often too short for many compilers and far too short for linkers and librarians."
03:42 chris_n2   :-/ even
03:41 chris_n2   which resides next to my TI-BUG Monitor (aka machine code) knowledge :-?
03:41 chris      heh
03:41 chris_n2   it is back there very near his cpm knowledge
03:40 * chris_n2 tries to dust off his very ancient ms-dos knowledge
03:40 chris      yeah
03:40 chris_n2   I don't think it works that way in dos
03:40 chris_n2   in *nix you just add a '\' to the end of each line and keep going
03:39 chris      yeah we need to fix that
03:39 chris_n2   well, we'll see what the win32 gurus say
03:39 chris      ahhhhh
03:39 chris_n2   our line is nearly 500000 chars... ouch
03:33 chris_n2   I have asked over on the perl/#win23 channel
03:33 chris_n2   I'm not sure
03:33 chris_n2   error 255 is what is actually being returned by perl/EU::C
03:32 chris_n2   I found a reference to an error 255 in cygwin which relates to a "The maximum length of this string is 32K characters." limitation of win23 cli "stuff"
03:31 chris      i wonder what we can do about that
03:30 chris      ahhh
03:30 chris_n2   the same in the class::accessor is <200
03:30 chris_n2   PM_TO_BLIB in koha makefile is >300000 and <3000000 chars
03:30 chris      ah
03:30 chris_n2   I think it is choking on line lengths
03:20 chris_n2   actually it can't be... Class::Accessor 's makefile works fine
03:18 chris      could be
03:18 chris      \r instead of \n
03:17 chris_n2   I wonder if it could be as simple as the difference between unix eol and dos eol
03:15 * chris_n2 delves deeper into the depths of dmake
03:08 drupsta    oh i see
03:07 richard    nearly home time :)
03:07 chris      not much this time of the day
03:05 drupsta    Nothing going on here?
02:50 chris      hehe
02:50 chris_n2   products also
02:50 chris_n2   maybe I begin to see why M$ has to charge so much for it's produces
02:49 * chris_n2 runs from the room stark raving mad :-|
02:49 chris      gah
02:49 chris_n2   furthermore, if we run 'C:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe -MExtUtils::Command -e "mkpath" -- blib\lib' from the cli.... it works of all things!
02:48 chris      *nod8
02:48 chris_n2   it must be a very subtle syntax error
02:47 chris_n2   very
02:47 chris      that looks like it should work
02:46 chris      thats mental
02:46 chris      hmm
02:46 chris_n2   so I removed them on a whim
02:46 chris_n2   actually, they were in there and it still borked
02:46 chris      vs
02:46 chris      -e "mkpath" blib\lib
02:46 chris      --
02:45 chris      could it be
02:45 chris      ahh
02:45 chris      there isnt some hidden weird character or something?
02:45 chris      that is weird
02:44 chris_n2   there... am I crazy or what?
02:44 pastebot   "chris_n" at pasted "Makefile Woes" (23 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/24
02:42 chris      weird
02:42 chris_n2   :-P
02:42 chris_n2   but on the koha makefile it borks on a line that looks identical to one that works in the other makefile
02:41 chris_n2   I ran dmake in verbose mode on another makefile and things work fine
02:41 chris_n2   now it makes even less sense
02:41 chris_n2   yeah
02:41 chris      still fighting the makefile?
02:41 chris      hehe
02:41 chris_n2   win32--
02:40 chris_n2   uninformed-comments--
02:40 chris_n2   chris++
02:40 chris      it would be nice if people would inform themselves before tendering public opinions tho
02:39 chris      hehe
02:39 chris_n2   why do I torture myself?
02:39 chris_n2   *groan*
02:39 chris      http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss#comments
02:39 * chris    repsonds to a comment on the biblibre blog
02:14 chris      i wondered that too
02:14 chris      ahh yeah
02:11 chris      John?
02:03 chris_n2   biblibre++
01:58 * chris_n2 wonders if John is paying attention
01:11 chris      :)
01:09 Jo         phew - great. thanks :)
01:08 chris      and a new foundation is preferred for longterm
01:08 chris      so hlt is preferred in rank 1 for shorterm
01:07 chris      and then a pie graph for each rank
01:07 chris      there are 2 questions
01:07 chris      yeah you have it right
01:07 Jo         (shocking spelling - sorry I am not usually so illiterate :)
01:07 Jo         becuase there appear top be so many pie charts saying contradicting things.
01:06 Jo         and not for the long term?
01:06 Jo         is this saying that hLT is emerging as the preferred choice for short term.
01:06 Jo         who wants to help me understand this page: http://opensource.web2learning.net/limesurvey/statistics_user.php?sid=88794
00:53 chris      hehe, he's working on it
00:53 brendan    hint hint gmcharlt
00:53 chris      *nod*
00:53 brendan    would be nice if munin was around
00:53 chris      i pinged him on twitter
00:53 brendan    I see him tomorrow night
00:53 chris      ta
00:53 brendan    cool - will do
00:52 chris      other than that, its a great writeup
00:51 chris      if you see nicomo, i just noticed the links on http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss appear to be broken
00:51 brendan    just back now
00:51 brendan    yes
00:51 chris      brendan: you about?
00:51 chris      hmm
00:43 Jo         oh thanks for that.
00:41 chris      http://bywatersolutions.com/wordpress/?p=55
00:41 chris      that is worth them reading too
00:41 chris      yep it is good, you saw bywater's also?
00:41 Jo         (printing it out to give to the trustees .... its a damn fine summary of the current situation)
00:40 Jo         well done Biblibre
00:40 Jo         what a great post!
00:37 chris      "There's a poll that will be open through Sunday (25/10) for all to vote on. We've prepared the paperwork to transfer the assets we have, at no charge whatsoever, to the entity selected by the community to receive them - next week. And we ask LibLime to do the same - next week."
00:37 chris      i love this
00:34 chris      http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss