Time Nick Message 00:34 chris http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss 00:37 chris i love this 00:37 chris "There's a poll that will be open through Sunday (25/10) for all to vote on. We've prepared the paperwork to transfer the assets we have, at no charge whatsoever, to the entity selected by the community to receive them - next week. And we ask LibLime to do the same - next week." 00:40 Jo what a great post! 00:40 Jo well done Biblibre 00:41 Jo (printing it out to give to the trustees .... its a damn fine summary of the current situation) 00:41 chris yep it is good, you saw bywater's also? 00:41 chris that is worth them reading too 00:41 chris http://bywatersolutions.com/wordpress/?p=55 00:43 Jo oh thanks for that. 00:51 chris hmm 00:51 chris brendan: you about? 00:51 brendan yes 00:51 brendan just back now 00:51 chris if you see nicomo, i just noticed the links on http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss appear to be broken 00:52 chris other than that, its a great writeup 00:53 brendan cool - will do 00:53 chris ta 00:53 brendan I see him tomorrow night 00:53 chris i pinged him on twitter 00:53 brendan would be nice if munin was around 00:53 chris *nod* 00:53 brendan hint hint gmcharlt 00:53 chris hehe, he's working on it 01:06 Jo who wants to help me understand this page: http://opensource.web2learning.net/limesurvey/statistics_user.php?sid=88794 01:06 Jo is this saying that hLT is emerging as the preferred choice for short term. 01:06 Jo and not for the long term? 01:07 Jo becuase there appear top be so many pie charts saying contradicting things. 01:07 Jo (shocking spelling - sorry I am not usually so illiterate :) 01:07 chris yeah you have it right 01:07 chris there are 2 questions 01:07 chris and then a pie graph for each rank 01:08 chris so hlt is preferred in rank 1 for shorterm 01:08 chris and a new foundation is preferred for longterm 01:09 Jo phew - great. thanks :) 01:11 chris :) 01:58 * chris_n2 wonders if John is paying attention 02:03 chris_n2 biblibre++ 02:11 chris John? 02:14 chris ahh yeah 02:14 chris i wondered that too 02:39 * chris repsonds to a comment on the biblibre blog 02:39 chris http://www.biblibre.com/content/liblime-koha-biblibre-and-floss#comments 02:39 chris_n2 *groan* 02:39 chris_n2 why do I torture myself? 02:39 chris hehe 02:40 chris it would be nice if people would inform themselves before tendering public opinions tho 02:40 chris_n2 chris++ 02:40 chris_n2 uninformed-comments-- 02:41 chris_n2 win32-- 02:41 chris hehe 02:41 chris still fighting the makefile? 02:41 chris_n2 yeah 02:41 chris_n2 now it makes even less sense 02:41 chris_n2 I ran dmake in verbose mode on another makefile and things work fine 02:42 chris_n2 but on the koha makefile it borks on a line that looks identical to one that works in the other makefile 02:42 chris_n2 :-P 02:42 chris weird 02:44 pastebot "chris_n" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Makefile Woes" (23 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/24 02:44 chris_n2 there... am I crazy or what? 02:45 chris that is weird 02:45 chris there isnt some hidden weird character or something? 02:45 chris ahh 02:45 chris could it be 02:46 chris -- 02:46 chris -e "mkpath" blib\lib 02:46 chris vs 02:46 chris_n2 actually, they were in there and it still borked 02:46 chris_n2 so I removed them on a whim 02:46 chris hmm 02:46 chris thats mental 02:47 chris that looks like it should work 02:47 chris_n2 very 02:48 chris_n2 it must be a very subtle syntax error 02:48 chris *nod8 02:49 chris_n2 furthermore, if we run 'C:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe -MExtUtils::Command -e "mkpath" -- blib\lib' from the cli.... it works of all things! 02:49 chris gah 02:49 * chris_n2 runs from the room stark raving mad :-| 02:50 chris_n2 maybe I begin to see why M$ has to charge so much for it's produces 02:50 chris_n2 products also 02:50 chris hehe 03:05 drupsta Nothing going on here? 03:07 chris not much this time of the day 03:07 richard nearly home time :) 03:08 drupsta oh i see 03:15 * chris_n2 delves deeper into the depths of dmake 03:17 chris_n2 I wonder if it could be as simple as the difference between unix eol and dos eol 03:18 chris \r instead of \n 03:18 chris could be 03:20 chris_n2 actually it can't be... Class::Accessor 's makefile works fine 03:30 chris_n2 I think it is choking on line lengths 03:30 chris ah 03:30 chris_n2 PM_TO_BLIB in koha makefile is >300000 and <3000000 chars 03:30 chris_n2 the same in the class::accessor is <200 03:30 chris ahhh 03:31 chris i wonder what we can do about that 03:32 chris_n2 I found a reference to an error 255 in cygwin which relates to a "The maximum length of this string is 32K characters." limitation of win23 cli "stuff" 03:33 chris_n2 error 255 is what is actually being returned by perl/EU::C 03:33 chris_n2 I'm not sure 03:33 chris_n2 I have asked over on the perl/#win23 channel 03:39 chris_n2 our line is nearly 500000 chars... ouch 03:39 chris ahhhhh 03:39 chris_n2 well, we'll see what the win32 gurus say 03:39 chris yeah we need to fix that 03:40 chris_n2 in *nix you just add a '\' to the end of each line and keep going 03:40 chris_n2 I don't think it works that way in dos 03:40 chris yeah 03:40 * chris_n2 tries to dust off his very ancient ms-dos knowledge 03:41 chris_n2 it is back there very near his cpm knowledge 03:41 chris heh 03:41 chris_n2 which resides next to my TI-BUG Monitor (aka machine code) knowledge :-? 03:42 chris_n2 :-/ even 03:44 chris_n2 quote: "For MS-DOS, OS/2 & Win95 there is a rather severe restriction on the length of a shell line with the result that the shell line is often too short for many compilers and far too short for linkers and librarians." 03:45 chris ah ha 03:47 chris_n2 known possible problem with dmake: "Linux-dmd doesn't seem to support a response file, so currently all filenames are passed to dmd on the command line. So there is a practical limit to the number of files in the application depending on their accumulated path lengths (maybe 100-200 files). But before someone gets near that limit, the problem will have been solved." 03:48 chris_n2 a response file is the solution, but dmake does not seem to support this 04:03 chris_n2 any reason we don't use Module::Build for our installer? 04:12 chris_n2 its way too late... off to sleep... 04:39 chris_n2 ok, the guy who manages the Strawberry perl project is going to have a go at installing Koha on strawberry to see if he can figure how to fix the makefile 04:40 chris_n2 off to sleep for real this time 05:51 mason im planning to have a go at setting up a osx-10.4 koha3 for my next 'fun' project.. 05:51 mason i had a go 1.5 years ago, when i was new to osx, and gave up 05:52 mason but i think im up for the challenge again 05:53 mason both macports, and fink package versions look to be quite current 05:54 mason i think i can sort out a debian-ish MAMP enviroment on my mac 06:11 Ropuch Morning, #koha 06:11 brendan hi Ropuch 06:11 brendan good luck Mason 06:12 mason im feeling lucky.. 06:13 Ropuch Hi brendan, mason 06:36 brendan night 06:43 |Lupin| hello all 06:50 Ropuch Hi |Lupin| 06:54 |Lupin| hello Ropuch 07:14 |Lupin| hello paul_p ! 07:14 paul_p hello |Lupin| 07:18 thd chris: are you there? 07:18 chris yep 07:18 thd chris: has anyone at Catalyst used AsciiDoc? 07:19 chris nope 07:20 thd chris: what does Catalyst use for documentation? 07:20 chris latex 07:20 |Lupin| thd: are you asking because of Koha's manual and the possibility to have it done in AsciiDoc which was discussed on Koha-devel ? 07:20 |Lupin| latex++ 07:20 thd |Lupin| yes 07:20 chris i really dont mind what its done in as long as nicole is happy 07:20 chris and it can be easily converted 07:21 thd exactly that is what I told nengard 07:21 * |Lupin| finds docbook really cumbersome... 07:21 chris i dont mind docbook, but then i just edit it with a text editor 07:21 thd I actually have used LaTeX but LaTeX can inhibit other contributors 07:22 |Lupin| thd: I'd have said the same about docbook...personnally I find docbook much worse than LaTeX, but I guess that's more a matter of tastes... 07:22 thd DocBook is a good path to LaTeX for fine tuning 07:22 chris but i dont plan to edit the docs 07:22 chris so i dont really have an opinion 07:23 chris i suspect ppl will give nicole docs in random formats and she will convert them to something useful, thats what stephen hedges used to dp 07:23 thd chris: what was shedges using for kohadocs? 07:23 chris docbook 07:24 chris mainly cos you can go from docbook to anything 07:24 thd chris: He also used something else 07:24 thd I know that he had some custom Perl scripts 07:25 chris there are tons of perl modules that work with docbook, but like i say, i dont actually care 07:27 thd chris: Well I told nengard it should really be a personal choice as she would be doing the work. 07:28 chris yep 07:28 thd chris: she did reply that she wanted others to be able to contribute, so she has the right principle in mind for a community effort 07:29 chris yep, altho i think she overestimates how much other people will contribute, people always mean too, but not many often do follow through 07:30 thd chris: the lightweight markup languages like AsciiDoc were written for programmers who would never write any documentation if they had to bother about the formatting excessively. 07:31 chris its not the formatting that stops me :) 07:31 thd chris: we also have fewer votes in the foundation poll than last time 07:31 chris still a few days to go 07:32 thd we need a reminder to people 07:32 chris yep, you could send a mail to the lists 07:32 thd yes I will 07:34 |Lupin| chris: btw, I'm looking for someone with list master priviledge on koha lists... do you by chnce have these priviledges ? 07:34 chris on the main list yes, not on the @lists.koha.org ones tho 07:43 |Lupin| chris: the mainlist ? 07:43 |Lupin| chris: which one is that ? 07:44 chris firstname.lastname@example.org 07:44 chris the main koha users list 07:44 |Lupin| ok 07:45 |Lupin| chris: this is preisely the one with which I have a problem 07:45 chris whats the problem? 07:45 |Lupin| chris: I think I should be subscribed to it but didn't get anymessage from it for... a very long time. 07:45 chris message me the email address you think you are subscribe with and i will check 07:45 |Lupin| chris: subscripton address was Sebastien.Hinderer@snv.jussieu.fr 07:46 |Lupin| chris: oops, sorry 07:46 chris ahh thats ok 07:46 chris just it ends up in the bot :) 07:47 |Lupin| in the bot or in the logs ? 07:47 chris the logs 07:47 chris ok you were set to nomail 07:48 |Lupin| chris: ah I tried to restore that to normal but it didn't really work 07:48 chris should be back to normal now 07:48 |Lupin| chris: thanks a lot 07:54 |Lupin| is it still true that XSLT customizatons of OPAC work for MARC21 only ? 07:55 chris not in master 07:55 chris there is a unimarc XSLT file now 07:56 |Lupin| chris: great ! which file is it, please ? 07:56 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=tree;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt 07:57 |Lupin| chris: thanks ! 07:58 chris no problem 08:01 kf good morning #koha 08:03 |Lupin| chris: I'm interested in that because in our digital library we have two types of file formats: those which are stored on the file server and those which are automatically produced on-demand. 08:03 chris hiya kf 08:04 |Lupin| chris: so I was wondering whether those formats that are generated dynamically should be catalogued or if the list shold be computed dynamically when needed, and I was suggested to do that in the xslt... 08:04 |Lupin| guten tag kf 08:05 kf hi chris and |Lupin| 08:18 reiko hi! 08:29 Ropuch Hi 08:31 |Lupin| chris: ? 08:47 chris yep 08:50 |Lupin| chris: just wondering what you think about the previously mentionned question... 08:52 chris hmm dont really have an opinion 08:53 |Lupin| chris: oodoki, thanks 09:21 reiko hi again chris 09:28 reiko chris_n , are you and chris the same ? 09:28 chris no 09:29 reiko ahh 09:29 reiko sorry 09:29 chris thats ok :) chris_n is chris nighswonger 09:29 chris im chris cormack 09:30 reiko ah, okay 09:30 reiko can i ask a question ?~ 09:33 reiko i've been here last tuesday and chris_n helped me getting rid of the 109 error zebra was giving me. rebuild_zebra.pl filled the var/lib/zebradb directories but neither zebra or manual scan on yaz-client return records, its like the database is empy :\ 09:36 chris and zebrasrv is definitely running? 09:37 chris is there anything the log when you do a search? 09:37 |Lupin| for freshly bulkmarcimported records, is it enough to remove them from the biblios and biblioitems tables to delete them from Koha completely, pls ? 09:38 reiko chris yes is running, the logs says: 09:38 mason in koha3 , yes i think, lupin 09:38 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [session] Session - OK 1 unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket 16259 09:38 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [request] Auth idPass biblio - 09:38 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [request] Init OK - ID:81 Name:ZOOM-C/YAZ Version:3.0.44 d1c53252793e37efda0b7432b18a7c79b9810d86 09:38 mason yoda me talks... 09:38 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01%)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83)) 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01))((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83)) 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01')((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83)) 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01\x0D)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83)) 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01\x0D)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83).*) 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01\x0D)((a|\xC3\xA1|\xC3\xA0|\xC3\xA3|\xC3\xA5|\xC3\xA2|\xC4\x83|\xC4\x85|\xC8\xA7|\xC7\x8E|\xC8\x81|\xC8\x83)) 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [request] Search biblios OK 0 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @or @or @or @or @attr 1=36 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 a @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=28 @attr 2=102 a @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 a @attr 4=6 @attr 5=103 @attr 9=16 @attr 2=102 a @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 "a " @attr 4=6 @attr 9=14 @attr 2=102 a 09:39 reiko 09:31:11-22/10 zebrasrv-2.0(1) [session] Connection closed by client 09:39 mason rekio , use yaz-client to debug, first 09:39 reiko i did 09:39 reiko i connected to zebra to biblios 09:40 reiko and tried to find and got no results 09:40 mason was yr zebra index successfull? 09:40 reiko i'm not sure how to check that 09:40 reiko i'm using rebuild_zebra.pl 09:40 reiko to do so 09:40 mason check zebra index file sizes, befire and after indexing... 09:41 reiko are these the files in var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios ? 09:41 mason yep, probably.... 09:41 reiko well, lots of files there 09:41 mason dpends on yr install selections ,, 09:41 reiko the folder zebradb as 9Mb aprox. 09:42 |Lupin| thanks mason 09:43 mason pastebin your zeb-index output 09:43 reiko thats the aprt when the rebuild_Zebra says re-indexing ? 09:43 reiko *part 09:44 mason yep 09:44 reiko its still exporting now 09:44 reiko long exporting, does it mean anything ? 09:44 reiko 100k .. and beyond 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] dir /tmp/SjXkJEcBh4/biblio 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] error grs.marcxml.record /tmp/SjXkJEcBh4/biblio/exported_records 0 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] Iterations: isam/dict 97/27 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] Dict: inserts/updates/deletions: 27/0/0 09:47 reiko 10:44:51-22/10 zebraidx(16755) [log] Records: 0 i/u/d 0/0/0 09:49 mason thats a FAIL ;) 09:49 reiko yeah 09:49 reiko i can see that now :\ 09:49 mason http://koha.pastebin.com/m45136a0 09:49 mason thats a successfull rebuild_zeb.pl ... 09:50 mason ok, you have some errors in your zebra config files , i think. 09:50 reiko hmm 09:50 mason [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 09:51 mason or your marc records are very small, or incorrect, null data etc..... 09:51 mason are your marc-records correct?.... 09:51 mason garbage in / garbage out etc.. 09:51 reiko you mean in the database ? 09:52 reiko i've converted a database from 2.2.8 to 3.0 09:52 mason no, what you have just imported into your koha using 'bulmkmarcimport.pl' 09:52 reiko and it may not be correct 09:52 mason aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 09:52 mason heh 09:52 reiko i've ran some scripts 09:52 reiko to 'migrate' 09:53 mason gotcha 09:53 reiko but maybe they weren't enough 09:54 mason well, its been a year since ive done a koha 2.2 -> 3.0 :/ 09:54 reiko hmm 09:55 mason and i dont have a working setup to step-thru the process again 09:56 mason and ive recently got home from work, and its 11pm! :) 09:56 reiko oh, ok. 09:56 reiko do you recommend any documents i could read ? 09:58 mason i can only this one ... 09:58 mason http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30&s=migration 09:58 reiko thank you, but that is the one i've been following all along :\ 09:59 reiko and some of these scripts he tells me to run give some errors 10:00 mason yeah- an error in an important part of the script, will give you glitchy bibs :/ 10:02 mason have another go ( or 2 ) at the migration, and email the koha-lists with your error output 10:03 mason if you get stuck, someone will help - we just need the error snippet 10:04 reiko sometimes its hard to catch an error during the procedure 10:04 reiko but ill try, thank you 10:12 |Lupin| rebooting 10:12 |Lupin| bye 10:12 * chris goes to bed 10:17 Ropuch Yay, I'll be sent to 1-month language course to Germany 10:34 kf Ropuch: where are you sent to? :) 11:09 Ropuch kf: don't know yet 11:41 jdavidb Good morning, #koha. :) 12:02 kf good morning jdavidb 12:02 jdavidb Hi, kf. :D 12:07 hdl_away hi 12:08 hdl_away fixed 3.0.4 release available on http://koha-fr.org/content/diffusion-koha-version-304 12:08 hdl_away @later tell chris fixed 3.0.4 release available on http://koha-fr.org/content/diffusion-koha-version-304 12:11 jdavidb hdl_away: There's no munin around to do your bidding. 12:11 hdl_away I realized that. 12:11 hdl_away Sorry english ppl, 12:12 hdl_away But I had to release on koha-fr.org since I cannot upload any longer to download.koha.org 12:19 Ropuch I don't think this is a problem - thanks, hdl_away [; 12:19 slef thanks hdl_away 12:33 slef @later nengard "The server at opensource.web2learning.net is taking too long to respond" 12:36 slef hrm, still no munin 12:36 slef must read scrollback before typing ;-) 12:51 kf hm where is munin? hope he is well :) 12:51 hdl lost in outerspace 12:59 kf poor munin 13:08 Ropuch Bah, I haven't finished unpacking the 6k books we've been given last month and now i have to spent 50k euro till end of the year 13:08 Ropuch s/spent/spend 13:13 |Lupin| hi again 13:14 jdavidb Hi |Lupin| ! 13:14 Ropuch Hello |Lupin| 13:15 |Lupin| hello again Ropuch 13:15 reiko hello! 13:15 |Lupin| hi jdavidb :) 13:15 |Lupin| I'm encountering problems with opac... 13:15 |Lupin| after having rebooted the system the opac-search does not work anylonger 13:15 |Lupin| zebrasrv is running 13:15 |Lupin| could somebody help with that, pls ? 13:16 |Lupin| hey reiko 13:16 reiko i have a simillar problem 13:16 reiko but my opac-search never worked yet 13:17 Ropuch Hm 13:18 reiko [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in 13:18 reiko (bib1,Local-number) 13:18 |Lupin| reiko: perhaps an authenticationissue... ? 13:18 reiko my problem is that when zebra tries to index over my exported records, h says [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in 13:18 reiko nah 13:19 reiko zebra had some problems with that but i fixed it 13:19 reiko but now i have zebra running and the db accessible 13:19 reiko but i cant migrate my 2.2.8 database to work with 3.0 13:19 reiko which is the main thing im trying to achieve right now 13:25 Nate morning Koha 13:28 schuster reiko - have you made sure your MARC data is good? using MarcEdit or some other marc tool? How big is your file? or do you just have a sample to work with? 13:28 reiko about 75mb 13:28 reiko and no, i didnt make sure my marc data is good :| 13:29 reiko that may be the problem 13:30 schuster can you share it with me? 13:30 reiko the 75mb file ? 13:31 |Lupin| ok, bbl 13:31 |Lupin| c u 14:00 schuster Has anyone else experienced this problem as I noted in the bug?http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3607 14:05 hdl not me 14:06 hdl but not on production 14:08 schuster When an item is lost and returned it creates a credit on the account 14:09 schuster That credit you can't do anything with... Maybe this is a LL issue that community doesn't have? 14:14 schuster Hey Brendan! 14:15 brendan good morning schuster 14:15 jwagner schuster, are you talking about the replacement cost of the item, that was charged & then taken off if the item is returned? 14:16 schuster Question to all you developer types... the items that people are working on did you get them into bugs.koha.org so others know you are working on them? 14:16 schuster jwagner - yes that is what I am talking about. 14:16 schuster If it was paid already and then a credit is created I don't have a way to indicate I gave them the money back. 14:17 jwagner schuster, yes, I've seen that problem. If the patron had paid the replacement cost in the meantime, then returned the book, there's a "credit" in the sense. 14:17 jwagner Sorry, in the sense that the original charge is taken off the account. But it doesn't seem to know or care that it was paid in the meantime. 14:17 schuster Yes but there isn't a drop down to say waive, pay etc... so you have to create a manual invoice to clear the record after you give the person money back. 14:18 schuster When you run SQL's then the system things the borrower still has this outstanding credit. 14:18 schuster things/thinks 14:18 jwagner Yeah, that's a general Koha thing that needs work. Not just a LL site thing :-( 14:18 schuster poo... 14:18 schuster Guess that's why I created the bug! 14:19 jwagner schuster, your question about putting things on bugzilla, I've been trying to put our development stuff up there so people would see it & know we were working on it. There are still several of our items that aren't on the site, some because we're still figuring out what we want to do, and others because I just haven't had the time. But the goal is to make an entry for all our development items. 14:21 schuster OK great. I have a couple that I have "sponsored" that I need to make sure get up there as well. 14:22 jwagner What we all need are more hours in the day, or clones to do all the work we can't get to :-( 14:25 schuster Yep... I'd love a team of free programmers personally not more me's I have enough ideas just need implementers! 14:25 schuster That's one of the reasons we joined Koha was for the community of programmers! 14:25 schuster hee hee... 14:28 schuster hmmm I found 3340 and 3312 to be the same? 3340 has more detail so any reason to not close 3312? and reference 3340? 14:30 schuster Owen here? 14:30 schuster hmmm drat. 14:31 schuster Anybody else have this problem? When people send a cart it defaults to the default email as a return. I created a "bug" request for this: 14:31 schuster http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3377 14:31 schuster I want the form to ask for their email address in case they want to contact the sender of the cart. 14:38 slef schuster: once we are sure our bug is general, we submit it to bugs.koha.org 16:30 schuster wizzyrea about? 18:00 snkahn Hi, trying to configure a brand new install of 3.004 18:01 snkahn getting the error 'patron does not exist' when I try to add staff patrons 18:54 * chris pops in quickly before catching his bus 18:54 chris hdl: you around? 19:01 * chris does a blog post pointing to the fixed tarball on koha-fr 19:04 * chris goes to catch his bus 19:09 hdl chris hi 19:11 brendan man plane delayed 4 fours 19:11 brendan I don't think I'll have a chance to meet up with nicomo tonight 19:11 sekjal brendan: oh, yuck 19:41 chris back 19:41 richard hi 19:41 chris hiya richard 19:41 richard hi chris 19:43 hdl chris hi 19:45 chris heya hdl, was just gonna check you still dont have access to download.koha.org but i did my blog post anyway 19:52 * chris isnt quite sure why slef is trying to pick a fight, i think ill just ignore it 20:09 richard friday link - http://wikileaks.org/ 20:10 chris they have leaked LEK? :-) 20:10 richard lol 20:13 chris gotta love friday before a long weekend :) 20:14 richard yeah 20:14 brendan oh long weekend 20:15 chris labour day on monday 20:15 brendan ah nice 20:15 brendan enjoy 20:15 brendan I want to see some more fancy pancakes for your kids -- chris 20:16 brendan the last pictures I saw looked excellent 20:16 chris hehe, kahurangi turns 3 next month, i have to make a lion cake 20:16 brendan ha 20:16 chris he's been asking for it for ages ... and we have no idea where he got the idea from 21:12 ricardo Hi everyone! 21:13 chris hi ricardo 21:13 ricardo chris: Hi! :) 21:13 ricardo First things first: my thanks and congratulations to Henri (hdl) for releasing Koha 3.0.4 and to Chris (chris) for managing the translation process. 21:15 ricardo (It's obvious this was and is a very difficult task and I think both are dealing with it very well) 21:17 chris thank you 21:17 ricardo chris: You're welcome :) 21:17 ricardo chris: I'm having an issue, regarding an upgrade of a previous 3.0.3 install (NOT a git install) to 3.0.4 (using the "perl Makefile.PL --prev-install /path/to/koha-install.log"). In OPAC, I'm not getting the updated translation and in the Intranet, I'm getting a strange "look" (like I got some time ago, where the "pt-PT" directory was missing some folders) 21:18 chris did you catch the latest fixed release? 21:18 chris i think the best bet is to run the upgrade 21:18 ricardo chris: I catched the 2nd one, for sure... I'm not sure that I installed the 3rd one (I think I didn't) 21:18 chris then run install-code.pl pt-PT again, and copy the files 21:18 chris see if that fixes it 21:19 ricardo chris: Right... I'm confident that it will and I thank you for the tip. But I'm concerned that other users may also be affected by this (maybe also for other translations) and they probably wouldn't know the workaround of deleting the "xx-YY" directory and run "install-code.pl" 21:20 chris *nod* maybe you could do a post to the mailing list? 21:20 ricardo chris: I'll test it, nevertheless. Maybe, there's some small bug in "Makefile.PL" for upgrades. 21:20 chris could well be 21:21 ricardo chris: Yes, I'll try to test it tomorrow (I'm back at home, and I don't have access to the server and, unfortunately, I forgot to check the Koha error logs before returning home. Again, I'll do that tomorrow, if I find the time - have a meeting scheduled for mid-morning) 21:22 chris sweet as 21:22 ricardo http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sweet%20as 21:22 ricardo Didn't know that one! :) 21:22 ricardo " Second most common phrase in New Zealand after "awesome". " 21:22 chris i think its an nz one 21:22 chris yeah 21:22 ricardo Right, eheh 21:23 ricardo chris: I bet that you have to be careful with that expression, if you go outside of NZ (but to other English speaking nation) and say that expression near a girl. She may think that you said something slightly different! ;-) 21:23 brendan sweet 21:24 brendan :) 21:24 chris hehe yes, i had a friend from canada visiting here 21:24 ricardo brendan: LOL! 21:24 ricardo chris: Eheh... I can imagine the situation 21:24 chris who was quite flattered so many guys were telling her she had beautiful anatomy ;-) 21:24 ricardo chris: ROTFL! 21:25 chris "I was just buying something at the shop and i said i only have a $20 and the guy said sweet ass, new zealanders are very free with the compliments eh?" 21:25 ricardo chris: LOL 21:29 ricardo chris: Yeah... So, I guess that misunderstanding may also be the start of some beautiful friendships ;-) 21:29 chris hehe 21:29 ricardo :) 21:29 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:roles3.4 21:30 ricardo chris: Nice. Thanks for the info 21:32 ricardo chris: Do you know if I should check somefile besides "Makefile.PL" for this installation issue(s) ? 21:41 chris not sure actually ricardo 21:41 ricardo chris: OK, no problem. Thanks anyway 22:10 * chris updates the roles for 3.4 page, just got sign off my from employer to stand for release manager 22:16 ricardo chris: That's a very courageous move... I have to admit I'm NOT that brave! 22:17 chris ive done it twice before :) 22:17 chris someone has too 22:17 hdl chris: congrats. 22:17 ricardo chris: Someone, yes 22:18 chris thanks hdl 22:19 ricardo hdl: And congrats to you too! :) After being a Release Manager / Release Maintainer (which I'll bet is a *HUGE* task), I was expecting that one would say to someone else that volunteers as a RM not "congrats" but "my condolences" ;-) 22:20 chris hehe 22:21 ricardo :) 23:07 ricardo hdl: Are you still there?