Time Nick Message 00:29 chris back 00:40 brendan cya in a bit #koha 03:08 brendan hi Amit 03:08 Amit heya brendan 03:09 Amit heya chris 03:20 chris_n only on a network running M$ does the network admin have to stay up late to install AV software :-P 03:45 brendan chris_n -- so true 03:49 chris_n chris about? 03:49 chris_n hi brendan 04:00 chris am now chris_n 04:01 chris_n chris: have you used Catalyst? 04:02 chris not in anger 04:02 chris_n hehe 04:02 chris ive poked with it, and liked what i saw 04:02 chris dbix::class and TT are steps along the way 04:02 chris if we decide to move Koha that route 04:03 chris_n I'm beginning an in-house app and thought I might use it for that 04:03 chris oh def, if i was starting a project yep i would be looking at catalyst 04:03 chris_n what I'm reading about it sounds nice 04:03 chris its like rails .. without the performance hit 04:04 chris_n it appears that it would be a ton of work to move koha over to it 04:04 chris yes, piles 04:05 chris so first steps are take some of its good things Template Toolkit etc 04:05 chris then maybe move the opac to it, then module by module 04:05 chris_n yeah, TT looks much nicer than T::P 04:06 chris *nod* we gain lots of neat tricks we can do with caching rendered fragments of templates too 04:08 chris_n well, I'm off to catch sleep; tnx for the input 04:08 chris np, sleep well 04:08 pianohacker see ya, chris_n 04:09 chris_n g'night pianohacker (must be a late schoolwork night :-) 04:09 pianohacker heh. just a bit :) 04:39 pianohacker okay. good night, all 05:37 Ropuch Morning, #koha 05:59 chris *sigh* 06:37 sanelib hello everyone 07:12 kf morning #koha 07:13 Ropuch Morning, kf 07:13 kf morning Ropuch 07:25 login morning 07:54 Amit hi kf, paul_p 08:10 login helloo 08:39 |Lupin| hi all 09:07 kf hi Amit, |Lupin| 09:23 |Lupin| guten morgen kf 09:24 Amit hi lupin 09:24 Amit heya nahuel 09:24 nahuel hi 09:27 |Lupin| could someone please help me with the C4::Items::ModItem function ? 09:27 |Lupin| I'm wondering whether its last arg should be an array ref or a hashref... 09:27 |Lupin| can someone clarify ? nahuel perhaps ? 09:28 nahuel I'm calling 09:28 nahuel 2s 09:28 |Lupin| nahuel: sure ! 10:29 |Lupin| lunch 10:39 kf survey: one institution one vote one person one vote? 10:57 kf hm. just not sure if I should forward the survey in our institution too or at least to my colleagues involved in our koha project 12:04 jwagner Good morning all. 12:05 jwagner nengard, see email to list -- I can't find that holdCancelLength is implemented anywhere in the code. 12:05 nengard jwagner - well that would make the whole question moot 12:06 nengard you should report a bug for that - so that we can get that out of there before 3.2 releases 12:07 jwagner But it's a useful idea and probably should be implemented somewhere -- if somebody's had a hold on an item for like a year and it's never been triggered, shouldn't that hold get wiped eventually? 12:11 kf good morning nengard and jwagner 12:15 kf nengard: I was not sure who can vote on the survey - one vote / organisation or everybody? 12:16 nengard one vote every person 12:16 CGI992 men+men 12:18 CGI992 gay + gay = LOVE :) 12:20 kf nengard: thx :) 12:26 jdavidb @seen rhcl 12:26 munin jdavidb: rhcl was last seen in #koha 1 day, 19 hours, 41 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <rhcl> slef: amazing. Thanks. 12:38 schuster nengard good job on the survey. I had a specific opinion on this, and when it comes to second choices it was hard as I really didn't know enough about the other 2 options that I liked as to what the best option would be. So I am concerned about the general public filling out this form and not understanding all of the issues behind it. 12:39 schuster That's coming from someone who has tried to keep up with the formation of this foundation - and someone who has been involved with setting up a foundation... 12:45 nengard schuster - that's why we gave time to research the other options :) But also - this time around your didn't have to pick options you were unfamiliar with or unhappy with 12:47 schuster nengard again good job... 12:47 nengard thanks 12:48 owen Hi folks 12:49 Colin morning/afternoon/evening all 12:54 jdavidb Hi, Colin! :) 12:54 jdavidb Howdy, owen. :) 13:03 owen Can anyone help me understand this error I get when I run rebuild_zebra.pl? 13:03 owen 08:01:56-15/10 zebraidx(21880) [warn] record.abs:67: Bad # of args to melm 13:04 jdavidb What's record.abs line 67 look like? 13:05 owen In etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios ? Is that the right place to look? 13:05 jdavidb yup! :) 13:06 owen Line 67 is commented out: #melm 035 Local-number,Identifier-standard 13:07 jdavidb Hm. what about the one in ../authorities? 13:07 jdavidb Oh! The line above...what's it look like? 13:08 owen melm 034 Map-scale 13:08 jdavidb Well, that *looks* right. hrm. 13:08 owen What's strange is this is the test system I've been using for ages 13:09 owen ...unless a git update changed this file I haven't. 13:09 jdavidb git pull's wouldn't. I think there's a make target for updating the indexes, but I've never used it. 13:17 Colin last changes to it were May/June 14:15 owen Hi CGI280 14:26 chris_n g'morning #koha 14:27 jdavidb Hi, chris_n 14:32 |Lupin| hi again, everybody 14:34 jdavidb Hi, |Lupin| ! :) 14:44 |Lupin| hello jdavidb :) 14:44 |Lupin| guys 14:44 |Lupin| anybody knows how to remove an item from Koha without using the web interface ? 14:51 Ropuch |Lupin|: you can always use sql 14:51 Ropuch Hi paul_p 14:51 Colin Lupin: DelItem in Items.pm 14:51 |Lupin| Ropuch: I'm not sure it's that simple because I believe the items are also added to the marc(xml) fields somehow... 14:52 Colin Yes you also might want to add it to deleteditems 14:53 |Lupin| Colin: the thing is that the item has been incorrectly added: I think no item number has been inserted in it's marc record... I think.. 14:53 |Lupin| Colin: no I'd like to just get rid of it completely 14:55 Colin Is there any trace in the marc record? 15:19 |Lupin| Colin: let me check... 15:27 |Lupin| Colin: there is a 995 field in biblioitems.marcxml but nothing in items.more_subfields_xml 15:27 |Lupin| Actually removing all the items but keeping the biblio records untouched would be great 15:44 Colin Lupin in that case I think you can just remove them from the items table 15:54 fredericd |Lupin|: If you have 995 tags in marcxml you need to suppress them with related items table records: that's what DelItem function is for... 15:55 |Lupin| fredericd: yes, I just wrote a purgeitems.pl script which should have done the jub just fine 15:55 pianohacker good morning 15:55 |Lupin| Colin: thanks 15:55 owen Hi pianohacker 15:55 pianohacker hi, owen 15:55 |Lupin| hey Jesse. HOw are your ifngers ? 15:56 pianohacker good, healing bit by bit 15:56 pianohacker how are you, owen, |Lupin|? 15:56 * |Lupin| is okay, thanks 15:57 |Lupin| fredericd: hmm actually it seems that the script hasn't removed anything... 15:58 |Lupin| fredericd: hmm no i t fact it has removed the items form the items table, but they seem to still appear as 995 fields... 15:59 fredericd |Lupin|: After suppressing all items, your items table must be empty. If item table is empty, and item seem to still be present in biblio record, it may be an indexing issue with zebra 15:59 fredericd you can check by trying to edit a record (not display on result page) 15:59 pianohacker well, items are stored as holdings tags regardless of zebra 16:00 |Lupin| fredericd: hmm I won't be able to do record edition with lynx... 16:00 pianohacker if you want to get rid of items, you have to remove those holdings tags. the api will do all of this for you if you're deleting one-at-a-time 16:01 fredericd pianohacker: If you suppress 995 (952 in MARC21) tags in bibioitems.marcxml fields, they may still be extracted from zebra until all biblio record are reindexed 16:01 fredericd on OPAC result page for example 16:05 |Lupin| brb 16:12 owen Why does the Koha installer default to "grs1" for Zebra indexing when it says it's for legacy support? 16:15 Colin owen: I can't think of a good reason and I've seen folk update an install and set it back to grs as a result 16:16 owen Colin: You mean by mistake? 16:22 owen Okay, got some warnings: "Makefile.PL: Warning: prerequisite DBD::SQLite2 0.33 not found." (and others) 16:23 owen Does that mean these weren't included in "ubuntu.packages," or did I miss a step? 16:24 pianohacker owen: DBD::SQLite2, at least, is a fairly new dependency; it might not have been added to the package list yet 16:25 owen What's the best way to acquire these? When I see a name like "DBD::SQLite2" I assume I can't just apt-get that name 16:26 pianohacker owen: you can try apt-cache search sqlite2 16:26 pianohacker often, though, perl packages are named something like libdbd-sqlite2-perl 16:29 ColinC owen: I did mean by mistake. It's a potential trap 16:30 |Lupin| owen: apt-cache search DBD::SQLite2 16:30 owen Okay, found libdbd-sqlite2-perl 16:31 |Lupin| owen: that one does not seem to be packaged, but in general apt-cache search themodulename works, with the module name displayed by the makefile 16:32 owen Also on my list: HTTP::OAI, IPC::Cmd, JSON, Memoize::Memcached, Test::More, and XML::SAX::Writer 16:33 |Lupin| owen: some of them are not packaged 16:33 |Lupin| owen: what I generally do is that when apt-cache search modulename does not return anything meaningful, I do a cpan modulename 16:35 |Lupin| owen: there is also the case where the module is packaged for Debian but is present with a version too low for KOha. IN that case, chris recommends to use dh-perl-make to build a debian package from the Perl sources. With this method you allow the distribution to update the package, should it once become more recent than the one you built yourself 16:36 |Lupin| fredericd: ok, I just checked the database and the items are still present in the xml field although the items table is empty... 16:38 owen Thanks |Lupin|. How would I know if that was the case? 16:41 |Lupin| owen: the makefile would tell you that it needs version x.y but only version z.t was found 16:42 owen Okay 16:44 |Lupin| any idea about how to remove these remaining item fields in the xml columns, please ? 16:46 pianohacker |Lupin|: You would have to write a basic perl script to go through each record and remove the 995 tags (using MARC::Record) 16:46 |Lupin| hmm, gotta run, will see this later... bye ! 16:46 pianohacker bye, |Lupin| 16:46 owen Thanks |Lupin| 16:47 |Lupin| pianohacker: but then once the 995 field is removed, how which function should be called to update the xml things ? 16:47 pianohacker |Lupin|: ModRecordMarc is the name, i believe 16:47 pianohacker it's in C4::Biblio 16:47 |Lupin| pianohacker: ah ok, thanks a lot !! 16:47 pianohacker np 16:49 kf bye #koha 17:08 CGI522 hello!! 17:08 CGI522 is anyone live here? 17:08 CGI522 I need some help with Koha... 17:08 pianohacker alive, that's questionable 17:09 CGI522 :) 17:09 jdavidb Present, yes. Alive...maybe. 17:09 CGI522 you're speaking - that's a good sign:) 17:09 pianohacker but we can help. what would you like help with? 17:10 CGI522 I need to change a password for staff client - for kohaadmin, can't find the option... 17:10 pianohacker CGI522: what version of koha are you running? 17:11 CGI522 3.00.01.005 17:11 pianohacker okay. since koha uses the kohaadmin username and password to access the mysql database, you have to change it in mysql first 17:12 CGI522 on the server? 17:12 pianohacker yes 17:12 CGI522 eh... that's exactly what I was afraid of - can't catch the goddamn sysadmin...:) 17:12 pianohacker ahhh 17:12 pianohacker okay 17:14 pianohacker just let him know that he has to change the password for the kohaadmin user in mysql, then put the new password in the <password> element at the bottom of /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 17:14 pianohacker or wherever it was installed 17:15 CGI522 thanks a lot, pianohacker:) 17:15 CGI522 oh 17:15 CGI522 onemore thing 17:15 CGI522 sincec I'm already here:) 17:15 pianohacker shoot 17:16 CGI522 barcode 17:16 pianohacker indeed, barcodes 17:16 CGI522 I know I can switch that option on and off, but how can I assign barcoded to already catalogued biblios? 17:17 pianohacker CGI522: hmm. you can edit the items of each individual biblio, but if you want to do it in a batch, you'd have to do some perl programming 17:19 CGI522 Good Lolrd, the computer is gonna restart now, I'm gonna kill the sysadmin:) didn't leave me option to cancel it:((( I'll be back in a minute. pianohacker, don't forget your words, brb 17:19 pianohacker okay 17:28 CGI875 I'm back:0 17:28 CGI875 so, pianohacker, I suppose this programming should be done on the server as well? 17:29 pianohacker yes. 17:30 CGI875 could you tell me what to do exactly? :) 17:31 pianohacker it's a bit involved, and assumes you have perl scripting experience 17:31 CGI875 ok, I don't, but I neeed to assign the barcodes anyway...:( 17:32 pianohacker hrm. are you working from an import, or is this an existing installation? 17:33 CGI875 the latter 17:34 pianohacker things get trickier, then. just out of curiosity, why are they lacking barcodes? 17:38 CGI875 I was told that all the material's gonna be only reference, and the dean told me not to bother with the barcodes, so I left the option off. Now he wants to circulate all the staff (it's a new small library, and they are still not certain what they want, ,,so they find job ffor me all the time:)) 17:38 pianohacker (right, I know that feeling very well...) 17:39 pianohacker okay. will these reference books be getting physical barcodes? 17:39 CGI875 yyeep 17:39 CGI875 the keyboard is killing mee:) I''m sorry, it doublles al the letters.... 17:40 pianohacker it might be easier to assign them manually by editing each individual biblio then try to find some way to assign them accurately in a script 17:40 pianohacker I'm typing one-handed, so believe it or not i sympathize 17:40 pianohacker :) 17:41 CGI875 oh man..:) 17:41 CGI875 ok the script - what script:) 17:41 CGI875 sorry, Koha is all new to me, just started using it last week:) 17:42 chris_n gmcharlt about? 17:42 chris_n @last gmcharlt 17:42 munin chris_n: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message) 17:42 pianohacker @seen gmcharlt 17:42 chris_n @seen gmcharlt 17:42 munin pianohacker: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 8 hours, 3 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> hi Amit (and goodbye for moment, about to board airplane) 17:42 munin chris_n: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 8 hours, 3 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> hi Amit (and goodbye for moment, about to board airplane) 17:42 chris_n hehe 17:42 pianohacker heh 17:43 pianohacker CGI875: pretty much any way you do it will involve heartache and a fair amount of labor. what's the size of your collection? 17:44 CGI875 its about 70 biblios so far:) not much, so I guess I'll survive:) 17:44 chris_n @later gmcharlt I had to submit and additional patch for bug 3706; would you be so kind as to push it when you have a moment? tnx 17:45 munin chris_n: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 17:45 chris_n @later tell gmcharlt I had to submit and additional patch for bug 3706; would you be so kind as to push it when you have a moment? tnx 17:45 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 17:45 pianohacker CGI875: oh, okay. if you haven't banged your head against perl before, for a collection that size it would be much easier to do it manually imho 17:45 chris_n missing lunch will really mess with your mind :-P 17:46 CGI875 okay, will do:) so first i will have to swith the option on< and then start editing? is it in the iTEM EDITING? 17:47 CGI875 the keyboard is getting worse:) 17:47 pianohacker CGI875: you shouldn't have to switch it on... do you mean the autobarcode system preference? 17:47 CGI875 yes, that one 17:48 pianohacker CGI875: ahh, okay. you want that to stay off; all it controls is whether barcodes are automatically assigned by koha 17:48 pianohacker you only want it if you're printing barcode labels from within koha 17:49 CGI875 ohhhh right... 17:50 CGI875 since i didn't any barcodes yet, I can still deecide which way to do it... would koha's autobarcodee be easier? 17:50 pianohacker you just have to go to each biblio, then click edit -> edit items 17:51 pianohacker wait, did you say that they had physical barcodes (not isbns) on them already? 17:51 CGI875 yes 17:51 CGI875 no 17:51 CGI875 no there's only ISBN, no barcodes sticked on them 17:52 pianohacker ok then 17:52 pianohacker you can do it two ways 17:52 CGI875 so I still can decide which way to do it - autobarcode and then print them out, or stick them frist and then print them in:) 17:52 pianohacker right 17:52 CGI875 good, so which way is easier?:) 17:53 pianohacker pre-printed barcodes involve little work and are not at all expensive 17:53 CGI875 okay... 17:53 CGI875 now... there's a problem 17:53 pianohacker ? 17:53 CGI875 I already placedd the order and didnt order any barcodees:))) 17:54 CGI875 so I guess I will have to print them out:)) 17:54 pianohacker CGI875: order? 17:54 CGI875 i mean librrary supplies 17:55 pianohacker ahh, okay 17:55 pianohacker time pressure? :) 17:55 CGI875 you got me:) 17:56 CGI875 so do i need to autobarcode in this case>? 17:57 pianohacker okay, guess you don't have much choice for this batch then. you can switch it on for now, make barcodes with autobarcode then print them (the manual at koha.org is very helpful for this) 17:57 pianohacker I recommend pre-printed for the future, but you'll have to see which option works better 17:57 CGI875 okay... 17:58 CGI875 uff... I'm all confused here :) but you helped me a lot, thanks, pianohacker:) 17:58 pianohacker no problem, happy to help 17:58 pianohacker good luck 17:58 CGI875 don't mind if I trouble you again in the future?:) 17:59 pianohacker I'm not always here, but #koha is always open 17:59 CGI875 okay! take care:0 17:59 pianohacker you too 17:59 CGI875 :) 18:39 chris_n go HLT 18:39 chris_n opps ;-) 18:55 owen Okay, my go at installing Koha on Ubuntu has gone better today, I've gotten further this time. 18:55 owen Now I'm hung up on the Apache config 18:56 owen Warning: DocumentRoot [/etc/apache2/__OPAC_WWW_DIR__] does not exist 18:57 brendan owen do you do a koha-dev install ? 18:57 owen yes 18:57 brendan if so I think you'll need to copy the koha-httpd.conf file from koha-dev 18:57 brendan not kohaclone 18:58 chris what he said 18:58 owen Ah, I'll bet you're right 18:58 chris probably /home/owen/koha-dev/etc/ 18:59 chris (they live out there so that they dont get overwritten when you do a git fetch/rebase) 18:59 brendan then when you get to zebra daemon part -- you'll most like need to edit you koha-zebra-ctl.sh file a little bit 18:59 brendan but we can help you out when you get there :) 18:59 brendan yup what chris said 18:59 brendan morning chris 19:00 chris so, im gonna write up a report on the lianza conference for my bosses today, reckon i should send it to the koha-devel list too? 19:00 sekjal hey, neat, I was just doing a new dev install for my test system, and was wondering about some of the set up 19:00 brendan would be cool 19:00 sekjal chris: yes 19:00 chris will do 19:01 chris sekjal: i will drop you an email sometime today, to do an introduction to the system librarian at Waikato Uni here, they are considering Koha in the future and he would like to chat to you about how you guys did it 19:01 chris if thats ok 19:02 sekjal chris: that's more than ok. happy to talk about my experiences 19:02 chris excellent 19:02 sekjal some local NY-area folks are looking to have a meeting, too 19:02 chris ok, time to catch my bus, back in a bit 19:02 sekjal later, chris 19:03 sekjal there are also the two meetings in Hartford, CT that Nate from ByWater tipped me off to 19:03 sekjal looking forward to those 19:07 chris_n owen++ #for doing a self-install :-) 19:07 owen It's about time ;) 19:12 owen Should I be concerned about this error? "apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName" 19:13 brendan not too concerned 19:13 brendan just something to do with your hosts setting -- but should work for you 19:13 pianohacker owen: I've had that exact error on my ubuntu koha install for quite some time. should probably fix it, but it hasn't caused any problems 19:15 owen pianohacker: So you use 127.0.0.1:80 and :8080 to access your opac and staff client? 19:16 pianohacker owen: 8000 and 8080, but yes 19:20 owen What do you know, it's actually working. 19:21 pianohacker hey, awesome 19:21 brendan sweet 19:21 brendan now onto zebra :) 19:21 pianohacker very satisfying to get a koha install running on your own 19:21 brendan cheers to that 19:21 pianohacker brendan: that's just cruel 19:22 brendan :) 19:22 jwagner Quick question -- have to run back to my meeting. Koha should be able to place a hold on a title which has no items attached, correct? 19:23 jwagner I could swear I've seen that functionality. 19:23 pianohacker jwagner: i'm not sure. it can place a biblio-level hold, but might list a biblio with no items as unavailable 19:24 owen As far as I know pianohacker is right, the interface will not offer you the hold link if no items are attached 19:24 jwagner That's what I'm trying to do -- a title (next available) hold, but it's complaining about not having any items attached. 19:24 jwagner Drat. Thanks, owen & pianohacker. I was afraid of that answer.... Now to work around it..... 19:25 wizzyrea jwagner: you create an "on order" item 19:26 wizzyrea they can put a hold on that item but it won't hit pick lists until it's changed from "on order" 19:26 wizzyrea that's how we do holds on items that don't physically exist yet 19:27 wizzyrea maybe a better question: what workflow are you trying to accommodate? 19:28 wizzyrea owen: I've had that same error on my ubuntu installs forever. I haven't bothered to try to fix it either 19:33 richard hi 19:33 pianohacker hello, richard 19:33 richard hi pianohacker 19:39 brendan hi richard 19:39 richard hey brendan 19:39 sekjal if I'm doing a dev-install on the same server on which I have a production installation, do I need to muck around with my koha-httpd.conf file a lot? 19:40 pianohacker sekjal: not really. just copy-paste the two virtualhost sections and edit the servername and setenv lines 19:40 brendan not too much -- I just enable a second site 19:40 pianohacker and documentroots and whatnot, of course 19:41 sekjal ah, okay. that's what I've done 19:41 sekjal I just haven't done it right yet... 19:42 pianohacker sekjal: what's going wrong? 19:43 sekjal my document root was bad, and restarting apache caused my production instance to disappear 19:43 pianohacker yikes 19:43 sekjal fortunately, I got it back up before anyone complained 19:43 brendan :) 19:43 sekjal still, kinda freaky 19:43 pianohacker I've done the fix-apache-conf scramble before 19:45 sekjal so, for a dev-install, my document root is going to be much different, isn't it? 19:46 pianohacker yes 19:52 sekjal yar, so many ScriptAliases.... 19:53 pianohacker the first is the only one you have to change, the others depend on it 20:00 jwagner wizzyrea, back from my meeting again -- could you send me a description of how your workflow goes? That would be a big help. 20:01 wizzyrea jwagner: sure, gimme a min 20:04 chris back 20:10 brendan wb chris 20:14 ricardo Hi everyone! 20:14 pianohacker hi ricardo 20:14 brendan hi ricardo 20:15 * brendan is disliking IE for messing with my templates 20:15 ricardo I'm having a problem here in a machine with Koha 3.0.3 (in SLES 11). SLES = SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 20:15 ricardo "make install" seems to be "stuck": 20:15 brendan looks so nice in Firefox -- but "crappy" with IE 20:15 pianohacker you need another reason to dislike ie? 20:15 ricardo ~/koha-3.00.03 # make install 20:15 ricardo /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/arch" "-Iblib/lib" fix-perl-path.PL blib 20:16 ricardo (and then... no more output) 20:16 pianohacker ricardo: how long has it been running 20:16 ricardo pianohacker: 2 minutes, maybe 20:16 pianohacker also, can you check to see if it's doing anything with top? 20:16 brendan ricardo -- did you ever get zebra to run on SUSE 20:16 pianohacker the blib fixing part will take some time 20:17 ricardo brendan: Nope... I quit trying to set up Zebra in openSUSE. I don't predict resuming that battle in the next several months (if at all). Why? 20:17 brendan just curious if you ever did --- I gave that battle up like a year and half ago and switched to debian full-time 20:18 ricardo brendan: Yeah, I understand that ("path of least resistance") 20:18 brendan :) 20:18 ricardo pianohacker: OK, thanks for the info 20:18 pianohacker not sure why you're fighting so hard just to stay in the land of (shiver) RPM, but to each his own :) 20:20 ricardo pianohacker: The place I work uses SuSE.... And, actually, I don't have anything against "rpm" (you have"yast" / "zypper" on top of if, to take care of dependencies... like you have "yum" in Red Hat / Fedora... or "aptitude", "synaptic" and others for "deb"s in the "Debian World") 20:23 ricardo @later tell hdl_laptop Hi Henri! The "koha-br" and "koha-pt" mailing lists have no messages posted yet. So, it doesn't seem necessary to announce the Koha Ballot there 20:23 munin ricardo: The operation succeeded. 20:24 ricardo pianohacker: Yay! The "blib" stuff finished. I think a warning about this delay could be nice (or better still, some descriptive output about each step being done) 20:27 Ropuch Agreed, when compiling the first time i was about to kill the process too 20:29 ricardo Ropuch: Right. Thanks for confirming it :) 20:30 Ropuch ;> 20:30 Ropuch It's quite a moment before some output starts to show up on the screen 20:30 ricardo Ropuch: Yep... In my case, it took several MINUTES 20:30 Ropuch I kn ow patience is a librarian's virtue, but.. ;> 20:30 ricardo Ropuch: LOL! 20:32 Ropuch I had to work with win 3.11 (1999!) in my library while studying, as students we were sure this is Path of teaching Patience ;-P 20:33 ricardo Ropuch: eheheh... 20:33 ricardo Hmmm... It seems that I have this installation "botched up" somehow: 20:33 ricardo [Thu Oct 15 21:31:26 2009] [error] [client 10.1.2.3] [Thu Oct 15 21:31:26 2009] mainpage.pl: HTML::Template::Pro:template doc-head-open.inc not found! at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 70, referer: http://myhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl?tab=OPAC 20:35 ricardo Just what I needed in the day before a presentation :-( 20:37 ricardo (Running "updatedb"... because I want to find some files now, and I admit I like "locate" better than "find") 20:42 Ropuch /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/doc-head-open.inc 20:43 ricardo Ropuch: Cool... Thanks. The weird part is that I *do* have that file :-/ 20:43 pianohacker bbl 20:43 Ropuch mainpage.pl line 70, let me see 20:43 ricardo pianohacker: OK 20:43 ricardo Ropuch: It's the last line of that mainpage.pl file 20:44 ricardo Something like "output_http_with_headers" 20:44 Ropuch output_html_with_http_headers $query, $cookie, $template->output; 20:44 Ropuch yup 20:45 * chris_n needs a stronger brand of bug spray... :-P 20:45 ricardo chris_n: LOL! 20:46 ricardo Talking about bugs, the log files mention some "pt-BR" files... and the Brazilian translation ("pt-PT") one, AFAIK, hasn't been done yet... only the standard European Portuguese one ("pt-PT") 20:46 ricardo I guess I'll have to check if this is fixed in git, for 3.0.4 20:47 chris http://translate.koha.org/pt_BR/ 20:48 chris only the opacs have been done 20:48 ricardo chris: Hi Chris! You're right... I thought that NOT even the OPAC was done for "pt-BR" had been done. 20:50 ricardo Now, I wonder why Koha is searching "pt-BR" in this 3.0.3 install... Because I'm having problems seeing the web pages for the Intranet part, I'll have to look directly at the MySQL database 20:50 chris check what languages you have enabled in sysprefs 20:52 ricardo mysql> select variable from systempreferences where variable LIKE '%languages'; 20:52 ricardo opaclanguages 20:52 ricardo mysql> select variable from systempreferences where variable LIKE '%language%'; 20:52 ricardo language 20:52 ricardo opaclanguages 20:52 ricardo opaclanguagesdisplay 20:52 chris id check what values you have set for them 20:53 ricardo chris: *nod* 20:53 * chris_n greets chris 20:53 ricardo "language" is set to "en" 20:53 ricardo "opaclanguages" is set to "pt-PT,en" 20:54 ricardo "opaclanguagesdisplay" is set to "1" (ON) 20:54 chris that all looks ok 20:54 * ricardo asks chris_n to hand him his bug spray can ;-) 20:54 ricardo chris: right 20:56 ricardo Here's a log entry that (strangely) mentions "pt-BR": 20:56 ricardo [Thu Oct 15 21:43:32 2009] [error] [client 10.1.2.3] File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/pt-BR/lib, referer: http://myhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/systempreferences.pl 20:58 Ropuch True 20:58 Ropuch I have only css and modules in pt-BR 20:58 chris id delete the whole pt-BR folder 20:58 chris then that error will go away 20:58 chris (since there is nothing in it anyway, you dont lose anything) 20:59 chris_n chris: some mailing list weirdness... I seem to get send copies of emails I send to the list now? (or is it me that's confused?) 21:00 ricardo usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog # mv pt-BR old_pt_br 21:00 chris which mailing list? 21:00 chris koha-devel? 21:00 chris_n dev list 21:00 chris you'll have to ask hdl, he looks after that one 21:00 chris_n ahh, tnx 21:00 ricardo chris: Yep, that solved it. Thanks! :) 21:01 ricardo chris: I'm still worried that there was some bug that caused this 21:01 chris_n @later tell hdl_laptop some mailing list weirdness... I seem to get send copies of emails I send to the list now? (or is it me that's confused?) 21:01 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 21:01 chris no bug ricardo 21:01 chris just bad .po file for pt-BR 21:01 ricardo "Bad PO file! Bad!" ;-) 21:02 chris its a harmless error, its just saying there is a pt-BR folder here, but i cant find any actual templates 21:02 chris because the bad .po file stopped them being made 21:02 ricardo chris: Err... Actually, for my setup... The consequence was much BIGGER than that 21:02 ricardo Let me try to show you screnshots 21:02 chris or in this case the no existent .po file 21:02 ricardo s/screnshots/screenshots 21:02 chris non-existent 21:03 chris yep, not a bug tho, just probably someone editing po files with a text editor again :) 21:04 ricardo Is there a "paste.workbuffer.org" for images? 21:04 chris nope 21:07 ricardo chris: http://twitpic.com/lnjb7 21:09 chris right, ill get hdl to not include the pt-BR files in the 3.0.4 release 21:09 ricardo chris: Yeah... I think that's better... Even for the Brazilian folks! 21:21 sekjal time to catch my train. cheers, all! 21:24 ricardo This is weird... 21:24 ricardo http://myhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl is (wrongly) being displayed in English, although all the other Staff pages (correctly) appear in Portuguese. I wonder if this some cache (local or proxy) problem ... 21:25 Ropuch Doon night everyone 21:25 Ropuch s/doon/Good ;> 21:25 ricardo Ropuch: Good night Ropuch :) 21:28 ricardo BRB (Restarting Firefox, just in case) 22:07 |Lupin| hi again 22:17 brendan hi |Lupin| 22:17 |Lupin| hi brendan 22:17 |Lupin| pianohacker: still around ? 22:19 brendan @wunder 93117 22:19 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 22.9�C (3:14 PM PDT on October 15, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 am PDT Saturday... 22:19 brendan ah nicer than the last two days 22:19 brendan thanks munin 22:19 |Lupin| :) 22:40 |Lupin| could someone please explain me how to call the function C4::Biblio::AddItem ? 22:41 |Lupin| it takes optional arguments and I'm not sure how to deal with them...