Time Nick Message 01:14 ricardo chris: Are you here? 01:28 ricardo @later tell chris Hi Chris! :) I sent you an e-mail with the updated (and likely final) Portuguese translations of OPAC and STAFF. Please, read it. Thanks! 01:28 munin ricardo: The operation succeeded. 01:28 ricardo @later tell hdl_laptop Hi Henri! :) I CCed you the e-mail that I sent Chris with the updated (and likely final) Portuguese translations of OPAC and STAFF. Please, read it. Thanks! 01:28 munin ricardo: The operation succeeded. 02:12 ricardo Hi again... Hi Galen! 02:15 ricardo Way past my bed time. I have to go to bed now. Take care! :) 03:10 thd brendon is that you or your ghost? 03:10 thd brendan is that you or your ghost? 03:12 brendan that is me 03:12 brendan hi thd 03:12 thd hello brendan 03:12 thd have I come across harshly about the ballot on the mailing list? 03:13 brendan not harshly -- just long winded 03:14 thd brendan: Do some people think that long winded and harsh are the same? 03:14 brendan it's tough -- so much emotion in the issue 03:14 thd or similar 03:14 thd ? 03:14 brendan I don't know if harsh = long winded 03:14 brendan not in my mind 03:15 brendan I've been overwhelmed by all you've written 03:16 brendan and honestly haven't even opened the last two emails that you sent earlier today 03:16 brendan I will get to them -- just needed a moment before I read more 03:16 thd brendan: the last one about the ballot was the only good one 03:16 brendan brb 03:18 brendan back 03:18 brendan ok will have to read that one 03:19 brendan I've agreed with the ballot issues -- 03:19 thd brendan: agreed about what aspect? 03:20 brendan that would should not pigeon-hole ourselves into forming a foundation now -- 03:20 brendan stewardship should be first (or some sensible holder for domain and name of koha) 03:22 thd brendan: chris had noticed that only new people to Koha had voted for "independent foundation now" 03:23 thd which raised speculation that they did not know how much work that would involve 03:24 thd brendan: yet I was last asking for fairness to not take away that option after first offering it. 03:26 thd brendan: did I appear to be disrespectful of nengard and her charge by being long winded or in what I wrote? 03:29 brendan reading back through them now 03:31 Amit hi chris, brendan, richard 03:31 Amit good morning #koha 03:31 thd good morning Amit 03:31 brendan Amit good evening 03:35 brendan thd - do you feel that you were disrespectful of nengard? 03:35 Amit hi thd 03:36 thd brendan: no I do not but feelings are not important if someone else has felt affected differently 03:36 thd brendan: no I do not but my feelings are not important if someone else has felt affected differently 03:37 thd brendan: I also think that I apologised once in case I may have seemed harsh 03:37 brendan I would let it settle for a day 03:38 brendan time for everyone to read through your messages 03:38 thd brendan: I am quite certain they mostly go unread beyond the first few lines 03:38 thd brendan: responses were often to only the first few lines 03:39 thd ... which often missed the key point 03:39 brendan *nods* 03:41 thd brendan: I actually had the same sentiment as most people of wanting less discussion 03:42 thd brendan: I was willing to work like crazy to give the less discussion options the best chance 03:42 thd ... and a fair chance 03:43 thd most suggestions I read on IRC were about rigging the ballot to ensure that the less discussion options were chosen 03:44 brendan As far as nengard being disrespected - I don't know if she was or not -- I do know that she wants what's best and wants the ballot to be out that will best help koha 03:45 thd Yes, I think her first choice was to rig the ballot for the best an actually that is a very defensible position 03:45 brendan ah thd -- I gotta run for a little bit -- my wife just got home... cya in a bit 03:45 thd Ok 03:56 thd rach: are you there? 03:57 thd rach: you have not voted on wiki-relicensing 03:59 thd rach: maybe you also have multiple votes on wiki-relicensing 06:04 kf morning #koha 06:05 nicomo hi kf and #koha 06:06 kf good morning nicomo 06:07 Ropuch Morning 06:07 Ropuch Hi kf, hello nicomo 06:11 kf good morning Ropuch 06:28 hdl_laptop hi 06:30 Ropuch Morning hdl_laptop 06:30 hdl_laptop hi Ropuch 06:42 kf is there an easy way to change messaging_preferences after import? I looked at the sql tables, but it seems rather complicated 06:43 kf morning hdl_laptop 07:11 Amit heya kf, nicomo 07:11 nicomo hi Amit 07:12 kf hi Amit 09:39 Amit hi galen, ricardo 09:39 ricardo Good morning Amit ! 09:39 gmcharlt hi Amit (and goodbye for moment, about to board airplane) 09:42 * chris finally makes it back to wellington 09:42 chris now to push up some translations 09:43 hdl_laptop oh... It is late. 09:43 hdl_laptop hi chris. 09:44 hdl_laptop I thought you would finally not make it 09:44 ricardo Good morning chris & Henri! :) 09:45 Amit hi hdl 09:45 chris yeah i will probably need to do some tomorrow morning im afraid hdl :() 09:46 ricardo "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." - Douglas Adams, English humorist & science fiction novelist (1952 - 2001) 09:46 ricardo ;-) 09:48 chris :) 09:48 chris i didnt expect the hotel to have such useless internet :( and when i was at the conference everyone wanted to talk 09:48 chris which was good, lots of interest in koha, but bad, that i got nothing done 09:48 chris hdl_laptop: the french po file works fine 09:49 hdl_laptop chris will send a message to announce delay 09:50 chris make sure you say it was my fault 09:50 chris :) 09:51 hdl_laptop No. 09:51 hdl_laptop Some bugs are still quite disturbing the process : 09:51 hdl_laptop shelf browsing and moresearches + the one on reserves 09:51 Amit hi chris 09:53 ricardo hdl_laptop: For my part, I'll finish testing one of the bugs I submitted / followed up and closing it 09:53 Amit hdl_laptop: Duplicate insertion in syspref.sql in maintenance branch koha 09:53 hdl_laptop ok ricardo. 09:53 ricardo hdl_laptop: :) 09:53 chris ahh ok 09:54 hdl_laptop Amit : line pls ? 09:54 ricardo chris: If you get any problem with the PO file I sent you "yesterday", feel free to bug me 09:54 ricardo s/PO file/PO files 09:54 hdl_laptop ricardo: patch applied for NoZebra. 09:55 Amit hdl: line no 32 09:55 ricardo hdl_laptop: Very cool. Thank you very much! :) 09:55 Amit i have already send a patch http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-October/004718.html 09:58 Amit hdl_laptop: line number 32 09:59 chris will do ricardo :) 09:59 chris just about to test now 10:00 hdl_laptop ok thanks. 10:02 ricardo chris: Thanks :) 10:03 chris works fine 10:03 ricardo chris: Cool, thanks 10:03 chris ok, pushed up 10:04 chris and now i think i will get some sleep, french, italian, and portuguese updated 10:04 chris tomorrow i have to set up albanian (wont make it for 3.0.4 obviously) 10:04 ricardo chris: Many thanks. Sleep well! :) 11:17 Bar Hello > I am having a nightmare with LDAP authentication. My site keeps updating the branchcode everytime a user logs in even though <update> is set to 0 11:17 Bar Can anyone help? 11:26 hdl_laptop Bar: have you tried the latest Auth_with_ldap file ? Or is it an old version ? 11:26 hdl_laptop if ($borrowernumber) { 11:26 hdl_laptop if ($config{update}) { # A1, B1 11:26 hdl_laptop my $c2 = &update_local($local_userid,$password,$borrowernumber,\%borrower) || ''; 11:26 hdl_laptop ($cardnumber eq $c2) or warn "update_local returned cardnumber '$c2' instead of '$cardnumber'"; 11:26 hdl_laptop } else { # C1, D1 11:26 hdl_laptop # maybe update just the password? 11:26 hdl_laptop } 11:26 hdl_laptop } elsif ($config{replicate}) { # A2, C2 11:26 hdl_laptop $borrowernumber = AddMember(%borrower) or die "AddMember failed"; 11:26 hdl_laptop } else { 11:26 hdl_laptop return 0; # B2, D2 11:26 hdl_laptop latest one has that kind of things. 11:26 Amit hi jdavidb 11:27 jdavidb Hi, Amit! :) 11:27 Amit hdl_laptop: I m right 11:27 hdl_laptop hi jdavidb 11:27 jdavidb Howdy, hdl. :) How are things? 11:38 Bar Not sure....I will take a look....apart from the code you posted, is there any way to check the version of the Auth_with_ldap file ? 11:42 hdl_laptop jdavidb: good how are you ? 11:42 hdl_laptop Bar: git log C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm 11:42 jdavidb Doing well. :) It's a lovely, cool fall morning here. 11:45 hdl_laptop Bar: on a 3.0.x install you should have : d705a0394f27f8d6727c27a24408a65f5686c31a 11:49 Bar fatal: Not a git repository 11:53 jdavidb Good morning, nengard! :) 11:53 nengard morning! 11:53 hdl_laptop Bar you are installing in standard mode ? 11:53 hdl_laptop hi nengard 11:55 Bar hdl_laptop> To be honest, I am not sure what that means! We have the system in place for about 6 months, Live and working well. It's only recently that we noticed this problem 11:56 Bar I am not sure if it has always been there, I would say it has 11:57 hdl_laptop Bar: /me always thinks he's talking to geeks on irc ;) 11:58 hdl_laptop latest version of Auth_with_ldap.pm should fix your problem 11:58 Bar sorry!! I am trying me best to get to that status though! 11:58 Bar Cool, can I just grab that, on it's own from somewhere? 11:59 hdl_laptop http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm;h=16573dae463cc8b8ac88b5162f1408bc554a2148;hb=3.0.x 11:59 hdl_laptop here 11:59 Bar Nice! I will let you know how it goes. 11:59 Amit hi nengard 12:00 chris_n howdy nengard 12:00 nengard hi all 12:01 jwagner Good morning all. 12:04 kf jwagner: good morning! 12:04 kf nengard: good morning! (should start reading from top) 12:05 chris_n @coffee 12:05 munin chris_n: downloading the Perl source 12:06 * chris_n thinks we might write a plugin for munin to make coffee in the morning (local time of course) 12:06 jdavidb Ooo...that's a good idea, chris_n. 12:07 jdavidb Think we could coax in a cappuccino and hot chocolate add-on, too? 12:07 chris_n or tea according to one's taste 12:07 chris_n jdavidb: excellent idea 12:07 kf nengard, jwagner: do you have some time to discuss holds management with me? Im not sure how to handle things at our library 12:07 jwagner Definitely add tea to the specs 12:08 nengard sure 12:08 jwagner kf, I can try, not sure I'm the best person. 12:08 nengard kf, i'm up for trying too - and if you have suggestions on how i can write the manual on it better - i'm up for that too 12:09 kf ok 12:09 kf first I will try to explain the situation 12:09 kf the library has closed stacks, so I have areas where the user cant go 12:10 kf the items should be not on loan but holdable 12:10 kf I have areas with free access too 12:10 kf and I have areas in closed stacks with item not for loan, but only for use in reading room 12:11 kf and on top of that: the library works with rfid and a self checkout system that is not as intelligent as a librarian at the desk would be 12:11 kf and thank you in advance for your time! 12:12 jwagner kf, not sure what the question is. Do you allow on-shelf holds? 12:13 kf we went with allow-on-shelf-holds on 12:16 jwagner So the materials in your closed stacks can be placed on hold. You should then be able to pull those items and check them out, correct? 12:18 kf yes this part works fine 12:18 kf but I dont understand how holds in free areas will work 12:18 kf or are supposed to work 12:19 jwagner They should work the same way -- someone places an on-shelf hold, it shows up on the holds to pull list, your staff get it from the shelves and trigger the hold. 12:19 kf after a hold is placed - can another patron check the items out? 12:20 kf after a title level hold is placed, can another item be checked out? 12:20 kf what happens when the patron pulls the book and its not pulled? 12:20 jwagner There is a syspref AllowHoldPolicyOverride that determines whether your staff are allowed to ignore the waiting hold on the item and check it out to another person. 12:20 kf self check machine :( 12:20 kf but normally it should not be possible for another patron to take the item? 12:20 kf after a hold is placed? 12:21 kf I think it should not be possible to check out a book where another patron placed a hold on 12:22 jwagner There's a difference between "hold is placed" and "hold is triggered" -- if a hold is triggered (by checking the item in), it shouldn't allow anyone else to check it out except the person with the hold. 12:22 kf and what influence has the build_holds_queue? for testing we have it runing every hour, but I think other libraries only twice a day? 12:23 kf ok, but this needs check in 12:23 kf so the patron has no guarantee that the book he placed a hold on will still be there, when he comes to get it 12:23 kf the library wanted to pull the items in the evening 12:23 kf 1/day 12:24 kf I feel like I miss something important 12:24 kf :( 12:26 jwagner It's getting a little out of my level of understanding, too. nengard? What's a "standard" timing for the reports? 12:26 kf the question is, does the cron job has an effect on the hold? 12:26 nengard oops - sorry - got caught up fighting with web design - reading back now 12:27 kf on the status or something? or is it just building the list 12:28 nengard kf, okay i'm caught up and I think becuase of the self checkout machine you're going to have an issue 12:28 kf jwagner: how are holds working in your libraries? are there libraries using allowonshelfholds on? 12:29 nengard also - many libraries that i talk to do not allow on shelf holds 12:29 kf nengard: I had a feeling it might be a problem :( 12:29 nengard because i means too much work to keep up with it 12:29 kf yes, we fear that too 12:29 nengard as a patron I love when libraries allow me to place on shelf holds 12:29 kf but the only option I see for closed stacks is to loan all items to a staff user 12:29 nengard this sounds like something that we might need someone to develop an improvmeent for 12:29 kf as an alternative to onshelfholds on 12:30 kf problem: I need a work around now, because the library is in production 12:30 nengard hmmm 12:30 kf and we have not the resources for development or sponsoring right now 12:30 kf I think it wold help if allowonshelfholds would be more granular 12:31 kf per library or better location / collection / item type 12:31 nengard i hate to say it - but this is a function that I know has already been written - but not for Koha 3.0 or 3.2 - it's in LEK 12:31 owen Hi all 12:31 nengard hiya owen 12:31 nengard do you have any tips for kf? 12:32 jwagner Some of our libraries allow on-shelf holds, and some don't. We've been working with a lot of development on holds and circ rules, but this isn't one of them. It sounds like it could be fixed by either checking the collection to a staff user as Nicole suggests or adding a setting to the location about whether on-shelf holds allowed for this location. 12:32 kf hi owen 12:32 nengard what kf needs is call slip functionality - to allow for call slips on closed stacks but not holds on onshelf items 12:32 nengard these are 2 diff things 12:33 nengard it's what we did in the seminary library i worked in 12:33 * chris_n greets owen 12:33 paul_p 'morning nengard, chris_n & owen 12:33 chris_n g'morning paul_p 12:34 jwagner Mumble many years ago, I did some research as a student in Library of Congress -- to request items from the stacks I had to fill out request slips & give them to staff. That's what you're meaning by call slip functionality? 12:34 kf nengard: call slip functionality - will note that :) only know it as closed stacks request 12:34 nengard same thing :) 12:34 kf question is: how to do it with koha 12:35 nengard yes jwagner - except in an automated form 12:35 owen I had an early library job as the flunkie who pulls books from the stacks with those call slips 12:35 nengard kf - unfortunately I have no work around for you - no way I can think to do it with your system the way it is now :( 12:35 kf ok, what you say is: allowonshelfholds will allow users to check out books at the self check, even if there is a hold on them from another user 12:36 kf do you think it would work when we check out everything to a staff user? 12:36 kf and set allowonshelfholds to off? 12:36 jwagner If there is a _triggered_ hold, your self-check system should not allow that to be checked out. Maybe an update to the SIP would fix that problem. 12:37 kf but the hold only get triggered when the item is checked in first, as I understand it 12:37 jwagner Correct, so staff may have to run the holds to pull report more frequently and checkin/trigger the holds. 12:37 kf we did some tests with ReservesNeedReturns - but I still dont get what this is supposed to do 12:38 kf at first glance I thought it would trigger the hodls without checking them in 12:38 nengard i'm not sure how checking items out to a staff member would make a difference 12:38 nengard how would you do that? 12:39 kf not sure, perhaps using the offline circ and a barcode list to check them out in batch 12:39 kf once they are checked out, we could set allowonshelfholds back to off and closed stack items could be placed on hold 12:40 kf would need another report - check for items with item type x with placed holds 12:40 nengard i guess what i meant was how would checking items out to the staff help with the closed stacks/call slip situation 12:40 kf I think this could work... but not sure about it 12:41 kf check them out to a "closed stacks staff member" to make them holdable 12:42 kf nengard: do you know how this works in LEK? perhaps we can steal some ideas from it 12:42 nengard i just know it's a function in it - not how it works 12:42 nengard sorry 12:43 nengard http://academic-staff.demo.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation-home.pl 12:43 nengard u/p liblime/liblime 12:45 kf nengard: but thx, I did not know that its also called a call slip 12:45 kf so didnt even know what to ask and look for :) 12:45 nengard i'm sure it's called diff things in diff libraries ;) 12:46 owen Hmmm... LibLime could really use someone to go over their templates and clean them up for them. 12:46 jwagner I think long term the best fix might be setting on-shelf hold ability by location. But a full "call slip" module would probably have a lot of uses too. 12:46 kf found it - its on circulation page above holds queue 12:46 kf by location would be graet, because no need for different libraries 12:46 jdavidb owen, isn't that something you used to do a lot of? template cleanup and stuff? 12:47 kf (found it refers to LEK...) 12:47 owen jdavidb: Yeah, for some reason the LEK templates just aren't up to the standard set by the open source version of Koha. Strange. 12:48 jdavidb Since they don't have your brilliance liberally seeded in there, owen, this comes as no particular surprise to me... 12:49 owen It's not brilliance, it's just many hands making light work 12:49 * kf nods 12:50 kf owen: I think you really do great work 12:50 jdavidb yah, but once the filename ends in .tmpl, yours is especially skilled, sir. Thanks for all you do. 12:53 owen Hey, it beats sitting at home sorting Legos into different boxes according to color. 12:55 * nengard giggling at owen 12:57 kf jwagner, nengard: thx a lot for your insight. I will try with an enhancement request and perhaps we will have to go with checking out closed stacks to an virtual user 12:58 hdl_laptop kf: for 3.0.x, there are things that are comming regarding reserves allowed. 12:58 hdl_laptop by branch itemtype and categorycode 12:58 hdl_laptop sorry 12:58 kf I know you can limit them for itemtype/borrower category 12:59 hdl_laptop master 12:59 kf yes, but only the maximum number of requests per user 12:59 kf my problem is item status and requestability 12:59 hdl_laptop oh 12:59 hdl_laptop will read logs more carefully then 13:00 kf which is something that LEK seems possible of - but dont found out where its configured there... hm. 13:00 kf hdl_laptop: no - im glad you mentioned this - its just that I peeked at your test installation after the last IRC meeting 13:00 kf hdl_laptop: great new features for circ matrix! 13:01 kf a possibility to differentiate between items in closed stacks and items on shelf - closed stacks holdable - on shelf not holdable 13:09 jdavidb nahuel: ping? 13:09 nahuel pong 13:09 jdavidb your bug 3710 is something I'm working on lately; I've got a first-version of it about ready to release, and some enhancements in mind. 13:09 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3710 enhancement, P5, ---, nahuel.angelinetti@biblibre.com, NEW, New script for recent acquisitions 13:10 jdavidb Do you already have a solution in mind, or want to hang tight for mine? I'll be happy to take the ticket up. 13:10 nahuel I've done it, based on an hdl script 13:11 jdavidb :) OK. I may think up some enhancements, based on what our customers are clamoring for. 13:13 nahuel hehe 13:13 nahuel perhaps it needs some improvments 13:13 nahuel It do too much sql queries as I like. 13:14 jdavidb Mine is based on bib add date, and allows dropping items of given types. Right now, it's a toggle to show up on the front OPAC page, but I'm also working on a link on the banner, or the shelf-browser thing on the front page. 13:14 jdavidb Only does one SQL query. 13:15 hdl_laptop jdavidb: some of our customers prefers to rely on items timestamp. 13:15 hdl_laptop But you might want to see that 13:15 jdavidb I thought about a toggle to do that, too, but hadn't quite gotten there, as none of our requestors was specifically looking for that. 13:16 hdl_laptop nahuel will commit his work on git.biblibre.com 13:16 jdavidb All controlled in sysprefs, of course. :) 13:16 hdl_laptop in a specific branch 13:16 hdl_laptop bug3710 13:16 hdl_laptop so you'll be able to take and test 13:17 jdavidb Thanks! Going to send it out to head soon? I'd love to collaborate with y'all on it, so that one really nice answer gets sent out. 13:55 jwagner owen, online? 13:55 owen Yes 13:56 jwagner Any ideas on this one? We're getting occasional search errors in the OPAC, referring to opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.highlight-3.js:38 and complaining that 'data' is null or not an object. 13:57 * nengard having a greater appreciation for owen as I fight with css 13:58 owen jquery.highlight-3.js is the jquery plugin for highlighting search terms 13:58 owen Since your errors are occasional, my guess is that something about the contents of the search results page is causing problems 13:59 owen Is there anything about the pages with errors that stands out as a possible commonality? 14:00 jwagner Not that I can see, but I'm not sure what I'd be looking for. I tried turning off the OpacHighlightedWords syspref but the error still showed up. What should I look for? 14:01 owen jwagner: Even with no search term highlighting you got the error? 14:01 kf OpacHighlightedWords does nothing, there is a bug for it 14:01 jwagner owen, correct. 14:02 owen jwagner: Given what kf says, I take it you get search term highlighting either way? 14:02 kf bug 3589 14:02 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3589 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, OpacHighlightedWords sys pref does nothing 14:03 kf i know that there is a mistake in term highlighting connected to our 880 display - I hope I can send a patch for that soon, but it should not lead to an error, its just highlighting to much atm 14:05 jwagner owen, looking at the OPAC page source with firebug I see several complaints about start and end tags -- they seem to be related to the enhanced content (Syndetics in this case). Any relevance? 14:05 owen jwagner: It's possible I suppose. 14:06 owen The term highlighting plugin has to parse the data on the page in order to highlight...it's possible that it's choking on bad markup I guess 14:06 owen Does the problem go away if you turn off Syndetics content? 14:08 jwagner Just tried that -- no, problem is still there. 14:08 jwagner So while there could be some cleanup on the enhanced content HTML, that doesn't seem to be the problem. 14:10 ricardo Uh-oh... 14:10 ricardo [10498.525663] Out of memory: kill process 3671 (apache2) score 413646 or a child 14:10 ricardo [10498.525726] Killed process 4730 (opac-detail.pl) 14:10 ricardo [10892.806203] Out of memory: kill process 3671 (apache2) score 407414 or a child 14:10 ricardo [10892.806264] Killed process 4735 (500.pl) 14:11 ricardo Debugging time :( 14:15 owen jwagner: Any other thoughts about what might be different for the pages which are showing the error? 14:16 jwagner Just tried an experiment -- in opac-results.tmpl I commented out the call to <script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.highlight-3.js"></script> 14:16 jwagner With that removed, the error goes away. But I don't know the implications of removing that. 14:17 owen If you remove that you get no search term highlighting 14:18 jwagner But according to kf, the highlighting isn't working now anyway. Any other implications? 14:22 jwagner I looked on another system (updated Koha), and the jquery.highlight-3.js script is datestamped 2009-09-23. Maybe something changed in that version? 14:23 Bar hdl_laptop: are you around? I updated the Auth_with_ldap.pm file to the new one and now no user can login!! The following error is appearing in the error_log: 14:24 Bar LDAP Auth rejected : invalid password for user 'usertest'. LDAP error #16: LDAP_NO_SUCH_ATTRIBUTE, referer: 14:24 Bar changing back to the old pm file restores connectivity but the update problem remains 14:24 owen jwagner: It's not that search term highlighting isn't working, it's that the preference to turn it on and off isn't working 14:24 owen It works fine for me without errors 14:25 jwagner Hmmmm..... 14:28 owen jwagner: Would you like me to do a test? Do 'view-source' on the search results page and send me the HTML. 14:31 jwagner owen, it's on the way. 14:47 jwagner Looking at a system which is a somewhat earlier version of Koha, at 3.01.00.037 there is a check for OpacHighlightedWords in C4/Search.pm. That check is missing by Koha version 3.01.00.061. 14:49 owen I think that's correct...because the term highlighting used to happen in the script, and now it's handled by the jquery plugin. 14:49 jwagner Darn. Another good theory shot down.... 14:50 owen It sounds like the check for OpacHighlightedWords just never got moved to the template 14:51 owen jwagner: I'm trying the HTML you sent me, and the first thing I'm wondering is if you get the same error without the site-specific customizations (opacheader, opacuserjs, etc) 14:54 jwagner In the general vicinity of lines 284-301? Yes. There are some problems with what they want to use in those blocks. However, I don't think they're related to the jquery error -- we get the same error on a different system. 14:55 owen Okay, I just wanted to make sure you've tried eliminating those variables 14:57 owen jwagner: Other search results pages from that same install don't show the error? 14:57 chris_n gmcharlt: tnx for pushing that 14:59 jwagner owen, not sure what you mean. It's intermittent for most systems. I can always provoke the error by doing a particular set of steps in a development branch we're working with, so that's how I've been testing. 15:00 owen One key to finding the problem might be to find out what makes it intermittent: what is different on the pages with the error compared to the pages which don't have the error. 15:00 owen If two search results screen from the same system do and do not have the error, then you've got a good place to start looking 15:06 jwagner AHA! I did a diff between the page I sent you and the same search that doesn't get the error. The page giving the error has a space in front of the search term, like var query_desc = " seasons"; 15:06 jwagner If I manually do a search for space seasons, it provokes the error. 15:07 owen Yup, I get the same on my install (except Firefox won't even process the script and show me an error--it just crashes) 15:07 jwagner There are a bunch of other differences that I'll have to look at, but that seems to be the most likely culprit. 15:10 jwagner So somewhere there needs to be a check for leading (and trailing?) spaces on a search term. Where's the best place for that? opac-search.pl? 15:11 owen Nope, it's all jquery--all client-side. So the template. 15:11 owen q_array = query_desc.split(" "); 15:12 owen Actually, just above that 15:13 owen Line 164 of opac-results.tmpl 15:13 owen var query_desc = "<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="query_desc" ESCAPE="JS"-->"; 15:13 owen So maybe trimming it in opac-search.pl would work 15:14 owen I guess it could go either way, but doing so in the script would probably be more efficient 15:35 owen Anyone here done a dev install on Ubuntu? 15:36 jdavidb Once, Owen. 15:36 jwagner owen, I think I've found the right place in opac-search.pl, and added a trim for leading & trailing spaces. Seems to fix the problem. I'll send a patch. Thanks for troubleshooting! 15:37 owen jdavidb: I'm wondering if I should be looking more at the Ubuntu install guide (http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=koha_3_install_guide_ubuntu_hardy) or INSTALL.debian 15:37 kf owen: yes 15:37 owen jwagner: You bet. I'm glad we tracked it down. It was just a fluke that no one had noticed that problem before. 15:38 jdavidb I was doing an install on Easy Peasy, which is Hardy-on-a-diet. I used the hardy installl guide. 15:38 owen kf: yes to which? 15:38 jdavidb I don't recall any big trouble with it. 15:38 kf kf: dev install on ubuntu - sorry 15:39 kf kf = owen (will never learn...) 15:39 brendan @wunder 93117 15:39 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.6�C (8:36 AM PDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect for the recent burn areas until 11 am PDT this morning... 15:41 kf owen: I think I used more than one manual, but it was not so difficult 15:42 owen For all my experience with Koha, I'm a newbie at installing. 15:42 owen The Ubuntu guide refers specifically to installing from the tarball, but those instructions should work just the same if I've cloned a git repo? 15:43 jdavidb Installation isn't hard, owen. Once you've done it a couple of times, you can knock 'em out in minutes. 15:43 jdavidb I used the debian method when I got to that part...pretty much the same, by that time. 15:44 owen One thing I noticed in the Debian guide: Test your SAX Parser and correct where necessary 15:44 wizzyrea every time I've installed on ubuntu, I've used install.debian 15:44 jdavidb I usually have to do that, on new hardware. Installing all the packages mungs up the SAX parser. 15:44 wizzyrea yes, I have the same experience, jdavidb 15:44 owen When I "$ misc/sax_parser_print.pl " I get "Looks bad, check INSTALL.*" 15:46 jwagner owen, bug 3711 FYI. 15:46 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3711 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Intermittent search error in OPAC 15:58 owen Hmm... Can't seem to install DBD::mysql 15:58 owen "Warning (usually harmless): 'YAML' not installed, will not store persistent state" 15:58 owen "Can't exec "mysql_config": No such file or directory at Makefile.PL line 82." 15:59 jdavidb Under older versions, I recall having to do force install DBD:mysql, I think. 16:00 owen "'/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site' returned status 512, won't make 16:00 owen Running make test" 16:04 owen Any suggestions? 16:05 Colin owen: the mysql_config error looks like it cant find the mysql libraries 16:06 ricardo_laptop Hi all 16:06 ricardo_laptop Very weird git problem: I'm NOT getting a commit of a file that's been commited 16:07 ricardo_laptop specifically 16:07 ricardo_laptop http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=history;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_128b.tmpl;h=9fd586fec051f69ab247f259570c3f1656fd18eb;hb=3.0.x 16:07 ricardo_laptop (I'm missing the commit from Galen Charlton, dated 2009-0-26 for that 3.0.x branch) 16:07 ricardo_laptop The commit does appear for me in the MASTER branch 16:08 ricardo_laptop Any ideas / comments / further input that I must provide to help troubleshoot this? :-S 16:22 owen Okay, so "Cannot find the file 'mysql_config'! Your execution PATH doesn't seem not contain the path to mysql_config" 16:22 owen How can I correct it? 16:23 owen What and where is "mysql_config"? 16:25 ricardo_laptop owen: Could it be the "my.cnf" file ? 16:25 kf owen: hm, did not get this error during my install - just installed mysql and created database as explained in the manual 16:26 kf owen: changed sudo vi /etc/mysql/my.cnf for utf8 16:26 ricardo_laptop (Back to my problem... The same commit from Galen Charlton is missing from the repo.or.cz Koha git mirror : 16:26 ricardo_laptop http://repo.or.cz/w/koha.git?a=history;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_128a.tmpl;h=c84953e131dfb0dd7b4f5b2ef509896da476ebcd;hb=refs/heads/3.0.x 16:27 ricardo_laptop Never mind this last sentence... Was seeing the wrong file 16:29 kf ok, time to leave work - bye #koha :) 16:30 Colin owen how did you install mysql and were the -devel files installed? 16:33 ricardo_laptop @later tell hdl_laptop Hi Henri. Could you please cherry-pick this commit from Galen Charlton (dated 2009-05-26) for the "unimarc_field_128a.tmpl" file to the 3.0.x branch - http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commitdiff;h=39a9910f2f8755376cf0c3fdff390af7bc8ca84c ? 16:33 munin ricardo_laptop: The operation succeeded. 16:33 hdl_laptop ricardo_laptop: will do right now 16:33 ricardo_laptop hdl_laptop: Hi! Thanks a lot :) I think I have another one similar... Will check it right now 16:35 ricardo_laptop (Locating "acqui-search-result.tmpl" file...) 16:36 hdl_laptop 94abcf6d9879df156cfe31e5630bb389130cdd87 ? 16:38 hdl_laptop going out for "shopping" now. 16:38 hdl_laptop will read the logs 16:40 hdl_laptop ricardo_laptop: pushed for unimarc_field_128a.tmpl 16:41 ricardo_laptop hdl_laptop: Actually, in the case of "aqui-search-tmpl", it's not a case of a missing "cherry pick". A small patch for "acqui-search-tmpl" would be necessary... 16:41 ricardo_laptop hdl_laptop: I think there's a missing "</div>" for the "aqui-search-result.tmpl" file ... Would have to study it further 16:41 ricardo_laptop hdl_laptop: OK. Thanks for pushing unimarc_field_128a.tmpl :) 16:42 ricardo_laptop ( I found these problems by finding "too confused to show details" in the output of "./install-code.pl pt-PT" ) 16:49 ColinC Owen: mysql_config is a binary that can be used to see how the mysql libraries were compiled and the options to pass the compiler and linker when building a binary 17:02 ricardo_laptop Gotta go. See ya! 17:20 * nengard lunching 18:05 cait good evening #koha 18:06 ricardo Good evening cait! 18:07 cait hi ricardo 18:16 * chris_n greets cait 18:16 jdavidb Good evening, cait. :) 18:19 cait hi chris_n and jdavidb 18:21 brendan @seen chris 18:21 munin brendan: chris was last seen in #koha 8 hours, 17 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <chris> tomorrow i have to set up albanian (wont make it for 3.0.4 obviously) 18:22 chris morning 18:22 * chris is back in wellington and getting ready for work 18:22 owen Hi chris 18:23 brendan hi chris 18:23 chris_n 'morning chris 18:23 jdavidb Hi, chris! 18:23 brendan @seen chris 18:23 munin brendan: chris was last seen in #koha 40 seconds ago: * chris is back in wellington and getting ready for work 18:23 chris_n @wunder 28334 18:23 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 12.0�C (1:59 PM EDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 18:23 brendan yeah! 18:25 cait hi chris 18:25 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:25 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0�C (8:00 PM CEST on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.35 in 1028 hPa (Rising). 18:25 jdavidb @wunder 20852 18:25 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 9.8�C (2:22 PM EDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Rising). 18:25 brendan @wunder 93117 18:25 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.0�C (11:21 AM PDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect for the recent burn areas until 11 am PDT this morning... 18:25 cait its getting cold here :( 18:26 jdavidb It's been very chilly here today. I finally had to get my coat out yesterday, first time this fall. 18:26 chris @wunder wellington, nz 18:26 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 15, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 18:27 * chris_n shakes his fist at Level 3 18:27 joetho @wunder topeka, ks 18:27 munin joetho: The current temperature in Near Washburn University, Topeka, Kansas is 7.8�C (1:16 PM CDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling). 18:28 cait jdavidb: first cold day here too, will need gloves now for ride to work by bike 18:28 joetho wow no sun anywhere on the planet 18:28 joetho @wunder st tropez 18:28 munin joetho: Error: No such location could be found. 18:28 joetho figures 18:29 jdavidb @wunder Nassau, bahamas 18:29 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Nassau Airport, Bahamas is 32.0�C (2:00 PM EDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa. 18:29 joetho see? cloudy/ 18:29 jdavidb @wunder cabo san lucas, MX 18:29 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in San Jose del Cabo, Mexico is 27.0�C (11:42 AM MDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 18:29 jdavidb Dang! 18:29 joetho give it up 18:29 joetho @wunder anchorage, ak 18:29 munin joetho: The current temperature in The Spurlocks at Airport Heights, Anchorage, Alaska is 7.8�C (10:29 AM AKDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 999.5 hPa (Steady). 18:30 * chris_n wonders why data centers can advertise multiple links to the backbone as a selling point and then suffer a complete outage with one router overload :-\ 18:30 joetho @wunder honolulu, ha 18:30 munin joetho: The current temperature in Wilhelmina Rise, Honolulu, Hawaii is 24.2�C (8:29 AM HST on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising). 18:31 joetho I worked with a small library network that had fiber connecting each lib, in several different towns, with a 10bT ethernet hub at the end of each fiber run 18:32 joetho they wondered why so slow 18:32 joetho I wondered who designed it 18:33 chris_n heh 18:33 chris_n this outage is on Level 3's network... they are "supposed" to be highly reliable 18:34 chris_n our streaming provider moved to them a month ago which was supposed to "improve" their uptime (which really is near 99.9%) 18:34 chris_n but it's not when your up that really matters, its when you're down 18:42 ricardo Going home now ppl. Take care! 18:55 chris ok, time to catch a bus 19:34 chris_n wow, it must be quitting time ;-) 19:35 cait im still here ;) 19:38 richard hi 19:39 chris_n hello richard 19:41 * owen is ready for quitting time, but not quite there yet 19:41 chris back 19:43 chris_n does anyone have an opinion on Catalyst? 19:43 chris_n the pm that is 19:47 cait pm? 19:48 owen Okay guys, I'm back to worrying about this "Can't exec "mysql_config": No such file or directory at Makefile.PL line 82." when trying to install DBD::mysql 19:48 owen I'm in the dark 19:49 chris_n cait: cpan module 19:49 cait chris_n: thx! 19:50 * chris_n looks at owen 's issue 19:51 chris_n owen: what ver of koha? 19:51 chris_n line 82 is POD in the current version of Makefile.PL 19:51 owen I'm trying to do a dev install from git on Ubuntu 19:52 owen I'm following the instructions in INSTALL.ubuntu to install DBD::mysql 19:52 chris_n ahh... the Makefile.PL for DBD::mysql 19:52 cait owen: not sure how I installed it, isnt it available via apt-get? 19:53 chris_n cait is right; owen try sudo apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl 19:54 cait owen: I think this should work 19:55 owen Hm, okay, that worked fine. What do I know, I'm just reading the instructions! :) 19:55 * chris_n will have to talk with the person who mocked up that INSTALL.ubuntu file ;-) 19:56 chris_n owen: on debian and ubuntu it is generally preferable to use the package maintainer's version rather than the cpan version if possible 19:57 chris_n gotta run, bbl 19:57 hdl_laptop cait: can you announce ballot for Koha on german speaking list ? 19:58 hdl_laptop @later tell ricardo can you announce Koha ballot for organisation on portuguese lists ? 19:58 munin hdl_laptop: The operation succeeded. 19:59 cait ah sorry, did not check my work mail yet 19:59 cait hdl: what do I need to do, just forward or translate? 19:59 hdl_laptop @later tell ricardo there are two lists, koha-br and koha-pt 19:59 munin hdl_laptop: The operation succeeded. 19:59 hdl_laptop cait: translate and forward, 20:00 hdl_laptop if the list is read. 20:01 hdl_laptop and it seems it is (from archive ;) ) 20:01 cait I m not sure how many subscribers the list has, but the people I know are reading Koha and koha-devel too i think 20:01 cait anyway: will do it tomorrow if this is ok 20:01 hdl_laptop no problem ppl have until 25th October 20:01 cait ok :) 20:02 hdl_laptop many thx cait 20:02 cait thank me once its done :) 20:08 hdl_laptop owen you need to install mysql-devel in order to have mysql_config 20:08 owen hdl_laptop: Yes, apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl worked. 20:09 hdl_laptop coming too late, sorry 20:16 pianohacker hello 20:16 chris heya pianohacker 20:17 pianohacker hi chris 20:17 pianohacker how's it going? 20:17 cait hi pianohacker 20:17 pianohacker hi cait_sans_laptop 20:18 cait in fact its the other laptop today :) 20:18 pianohacker ha, okay. what are you up to? 20:19 cait watching torchwood right now :) 20:20 chris http://open-edge.info/irma-birchall 20:21 chris irma presenting on koha 20:21 nicomo hey, is Irma from Belgium? 20:21 chris originally yes 20:22 pianohacker nicomo: how did you guess 20:22 pianohacker ?? 20:22 chris she translated my speech when i spoke at kohacon in paris 20:22 nicomo pianohacker: well it's more or less written on the page 20:23 nicomo Irma has been a champion of libraries since her late teens when she set up and managed for 3 years, a community library in her district in Belgium. 20:23 chris :) 20:23 pianohacker right, of course. evidently, I sustained a brain injury at the same time 20:24 nicomo eh eh 20:24 chris hehe 20:24 nicomo and she's got a nice little accent in english too 20:24 chris heh 20:26 nicomo well, with that, I'm off to bed 20:27 pianohacker good night 20:27 brendan night nicomo 20:27 nicomo bye all, have a nice day 20:27 brendan hey pianohacker 20:27 brendan @wunder 93117 20:27 pianohacker hi brendan 20:27 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9�C (1:22 PM PDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Steady). 20:27 pianohacker looks like you could have swum to work today :) 20:28 pianohacker @wunder 81212 20:28 munin pianohacker: The current temperature in Franklin Ave - Downtown, Canon City, Colorado is 24.1�C (2:25 PM MDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling). 20:30 brendan yeah my back yard has a lot of water in it 20:30 brendan or on it 20:47 cait good night #koha :) 20:47 brendan night 20:47 pianohacker good night, cait 20:58 hdl_laptop night 20:59 pianohacker good night, hdl 20:59 pianohacker @wunder wellington, nz 20:59 munin pianohacker: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 15, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 21:15 Agalloch I installed the lastest stable version of koha on ubuntu server and have been playing around a bit. For some reason, none of my authority searches seem to be working but everything else is. I rebuilt the indexes a couple times... 21:15 pianohacker Agalloch: are you making sure to run rebuild_(no)zebra.pl with the -a flag? 21:15 Agalloch yes 21:16 pianohacker okay. are you using zebra, or no zebra? 21:16 Agalloch zebra 21:17 pianohacker ok then, it should be working. does anything pop up in your error logs when you search? 21:18 Agalloch I found this page when googling around http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3072 and tried changing Heading-Main to Heading and rebuilt the indexes again and still no luck. 21:18 munin 04Bug 3072: major, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE 21:18 Agalloch Should I change it back to Heading-Main? 21:19 pianohacker Maybe. It's possible that something else is broken, though 21:20 Agalloch 14:18:55-14/10 zebrasrv(3) [request] Search authorities OK 0 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @attr "1=Heading" @attr 7=1 0 @attr 2=103 @attr "1=_ALLRECORDS" '' 21:20 Agalloch wait that wasnt an error was it 21:21 pianohacker doesn't look like it, but zebra can be a bit crypticc 21:21 pianohacker are these imported records, or ones added from within koha? 21:21 Agalloch imported 21:22 Agalloch i guess i only get an error when i do a specific search. i was getting error 109. either way i get no results though 21:23 pianohacker hmm. could you try running rebuild_zebra from scratch with the -v flag and pasting the results to http://paste.workbuffer.org/ ? 21:23 Agalloch can i do it while zebra is running? 21:26 pianohacker yes. 21:29 Agalloch where will it output to? the screen or some log file? 21:29 pianohacker the screen 21:32 Agalloch ok it's chugging along 22:35 pastebot "Agalloch" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "rebuilding zebra" (69 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/10 22:36 pianohacker that's interesting, it lists no indexed authority records 22:36 chris Records exported: 0 22:37 chris its like you have no authorities 22:37 pianohacker Agalloch: you did import them through bulkauthimport.pl, right? 22:38 Agalloch I imported records. Are the authorities imported separately? 22:38 pianohacker ahh, yes they are. 22:38 Agalloch I guess that would be my problem 22:39 pianohacker hmm, I assume you want it to create authority records automatically. I don't know if it can or should do that. 22:39 pianohacker I know it can do that for new records entered manually, but not sure about imported records 22:39 Agalloch I dont think our old system will export them 22:40 pianohacker Agalloch: what's the system? 22:40 Agalloch Pretty much the worst one I've ever seen. Spectrum Winnebago 22:41 pianohacker I've heard stories about winnebago. 22:41 pianohacker you might try asking for help exporting authorities from winnebago on the list 22:41 Agalloch on the koha list? 22:41 pianohacker yes 22:42 chris yeah there are few libraries who have come from winnebago 22:42 Agalloch Do you have a link to the list handy? 22:43 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha 22:43 pianohacker Agalloch: also, take a look at http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha-tools/