Time Nick Message 23:38 pianohackr|work hah! 23:38 brendan but i think he actually spent all the time to properly set it up 23:37 brendan worked excellent for my grandfather 23:37 brendan yeah --- I haven't tried dragon in quiet a while 23:33 pianohackr|work if they've improved over the past few years... I remember shouting in frustration at dragon naturallyspeaking (which, of course, only makes things worse) 23:32 * brendan hands in his keyboard too 23:32 brendan whoops get not got 23:31 brendan got one of those voice recorders 23:31 * pianohackr|work just hands in his keyboard 23:31 brendan heh 23:31 pianohackr|work *they glad they 23:31 pianohackr|work *they glad 23:31 brendan yup 23:30 pianohackr|work aren't they got a deal on mountainside property 23:30 brendan so the people who houses survived the fires are being evacuated now 23:29 brendan most of the mountain roads are closed -- erosion from all the fires we had 23:29 brendan we haven't had rain in a bunch of months 23:29 brendan no -- but it is raining - so that must be why 23:28 pianohackr|work wow. is the humidity normally that high? 23:28 brendan going to see if I can borrow somebody's surf board for tomorrow morning :) 23:27 brendan wind means big waves :) 23:27 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (4:23 PM PDT on October 13, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 2 am PDT Wednesday... 23:27 brendan @wunder 93117 23:27 brendan err Jesse 23:27 ricardo Hi brendan ! :) 23:27 pianohackr|work hi, brendan 23:27 brendan hi ricardo pianohacker|work 22:52 ricardo pianohackr|work: Going relatively well,thanks. I hope to submit it to chris in a hour or so 22:51 pianohackr|work how's translation and whatnot going? 22:50 ricardo pianohackr|work: Hi Jesse! 22:50 pianohackr|work hello, ricardo 22:50 ricardo Hi all 21:02 mitja_i anybody here? 19:49 Ropuch /s/cia/via 19:49 Ropuch I've done this quick&dirty way: i'm calling local hosted php with rawurlencoed(iconv..) cia xmlhttprequest ;> 19:48 Ropuch owen: messing with opacuserjss was no that big deal thanks to your article, converting utf was a pain ;> 19:47 brendan hey owen 19:47 brendan great job Ropuch 19:47 owen That's great Ropuch. Note that in 3.2 you'll be able to set a system preference for your "search for this title in" links instead of having to resort to js hacks 19:47 brendan hi Ropuch 19:46 Ropuch Hi brendan, chris_n 19:46 Ropuch [; 19:46 Ropuch ! 19:46 Ropuch I'm so proud 19:46 Ropuch I've just managed to add custom link "Search for this title in" (thanks to Owen article), and convert koha utf8 title into iso8859-2 in it without touching .pl or .tmpl 19:45 brendan yup the rain is here :) --- coming down pretty hard for here 19:44 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.1�C (12:42 PM PDT on October 13, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect for recent burn areas from 8 am PDT this morning through Wednesday morning... 19:44 brendan @wunder 93117 19:42 * chris_n marvels at how time flies 19:41 Ropuch Hello 19:30 richard hi 19:23 Ropuch Good evening 18:47 ricardo I'm going home now... Take care everyone! I hope to be back in 2 hours or so 18:43 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 12.8�C (2:37 PM EDT on October 13, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Falling). 18:43 owen @wunder 45764 18:42 * chris_n wonders why he has to sit inside in that kind of weather 18:42 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 25.0�C (2:20 PM EDT on October 13, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 18:42 chris_n @wunder 28334 18:39 * wizzyrea is not ready for that kind of weather 18:39 wizzyrea brrrr 18:38 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 6.6�C (1:38 PM CDT on October 13, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Falling). 18:38 wizzyrea @wunder 66047 18:37 schuster Too much rain here - ready for it to stop I feel like I'm in Portland OR... not a bad place but just too much rain. 18:37 ricardo ehehe 18:36 schuster I LOVE IT! Crooked Lane! HA! 18:36 munin schuster: The current temperature in Crooked Lane, Plano, Texas is 18.7�C (1:35 PM CDT on October 13, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening... 18:36 schuster @wunder Plano texas 18:31 ricardo Pressure rising... This should be caused by the eminent release of Koha 3.0.4 ;-) 18:31 munin ricardo: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 29.0�C (7:00 PM WEST on October 13, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 18:31 ricardo @wunder lisbon, portugal 18:30 munin ricardo: Error: No such location could be found. 18:30 ricardo @wunder lisbon 18:30 brendan yeah rain here! 18:30 ricardo Hi #koha "Idlers"!... as "Mibbit" - http://www.mibbit.com/chat/ -calls you. ;-) 18:30 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (11:27 AM PDT on October 13, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect for recent burn areas from 8 am PDT this morning through Wednesday morning... 18:30 brendan @wunder 93117 18:20 * wizzyrea loves this kind of stuff 18:20 wizzyrea you all may be geeky enough to appreciate this: http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=7831 18:10 brendan hi sekjal 18:09 sekjal good morning, brendan 18:09 brendan morning 16:46 slef I'm afk for 180+ 16:46 slef rhcl: a few of the columns could do with more links, to either Jo's IRC or emails or something more 16:45 rhcl slef: amazing. Thanks. 16:43 rhcl sed s/HTL/HLT -d 16:43 slef rhcl: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:organisations:koha_project_organisation:forming:kohaheldbyfoundation 16:43 rhcl sed s/there/their 16:43 rhcl Owen: as I have, still, it would be good to see if another analysis of the main points would agree with mine. Additionally, except for Jo's and Chris' comments in the IRC meeting, info for HTL is lacking, particularly there official position on the subject if anyone has breached the topic with them. 16:35 owen rhcl: Everyone was supposed to have done a little bit of reading prior to this ballot 16:28 rhcl I think I would find it most helpful if there was a quick summary available - say 5 succinct bullet points summarizing/comparing/contrasting SPI/HLT et al 16:28 rhcl RE: Foundation... 16:23 * nengard back 16:07 slef I should finish up here, got to be out of the door, but I may return later to crunch numbers on koha.org part 1 and my current kewstoke.org project 16:06 * nengard lunching 16:06 nengard OH - yeah - i understand now that i re-read - slef I can do that too 16:05 nengard first lunch and then I'll put together the 2 question survey - then later we cna do the detailed one 16:05 slef nengard: I think I meant a list of the existing groups suggested by project members... although maybe SFC's multimonth waiting list means they're not a "now" option? 16:05 paul_p hdl_laptop: ++ 16:05 nengard if you pick none then it's a 1 question survey 16:04 nengard if you answer existing groups to #1 I present you with the groups we have picked 16:04 nengard slef - i can do that 16:04 slef nengard: I think I'm for having two questions: What do we join now? (existing groups or none) What is our medium-term aim? (new, existing groups or none) 16:03 slef come on, you know he encouraged peace more in the few days between taking office and being nominated than the previous guy did in 8 years 16:02 * chris_n heads out to find food 15:59 chris_n opps.... did I say that? 15:59 * chris_n thinks she deserves it more than someone else who I know who got it recently 15:58 nengard how sweet 15:58 nengard awwwww 15:58 * hdl_laptop votes for nengard as Koha's Nobel Prize 15:58 jwagner chris_n++ for cutting to the chase 15:58 chris_n hehe 15:58 hdl_laptop nengard president ;) 15:58 chris_n if that issue does not survive the immediate crisis, then the community and project are hopelessly lost imho 15:57 chris_n that is the issue of supporting those in whom we vest authority and leadership 15:57 chris_n there is a fundamental issue at hand which runs parallel to the current issues and will continue after they have passed 15:53 nengard and then later we can work on the other questions - but i'm not sure i'm allowed to make that executive decision 15:53 nengard as i said earlier - i'm all for just having 1 question at this point - which group do we join? 15:52 nengard email read 15:52 jdavidb nengard: chris_n once again lauded your abilities to Do The Right Thing on the ballot. 15:52 chris_n nengard: it will be ok, I think... I hope... ;-) 15:50 jdavidb chris_n++ 15:50 nengard chris_n do i even want to open my email? 15:49 chris_n after pressing 'send' that is 15:48 * chris_n ducks again 15:26 munin jdavidb: Karma for "owen" has been increased 58 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 56. 15:26 jdavidb @karma owen 15:25 chris_n owen++ #for muck-stirring 15:04 jdavidb a-yup. Whazzup, schuster? 15:04 schuster David B you still hanging around here? 14:59 wizzyrea ah ok 14:58 joetho I'll email it 14:58 wizzyrea dk dude 14:58 wizzyrea do what now>? 14:58 joetho wizzyrea- my other channel just died. AGAIN. 14:54 nicomo chilling and depressing, right 14:54 owen Luckily it's hypothetical at this point, but the chilling effect is real. 14:53 nicomo that's just depressing 14:53 nicomo man, who would've tought we'll see the word "retaliation" written in the #koha channel 14:52 owen I'm not afraid of retaliation (although I think it's possible), so I feel I have a responsibility to speak up. 14:52 tomascohen what do u think of making reports-home.pl expose installed report plugins sorting them with a to-be-defined self-defined category hierachy? 14:51 paul_p owen: with the tone you have on koha public ML owen, i don't know what kind of retaliation you fear :D 14:50 wizzyrea yes, there is much fear of retaliation 14:49 owen "asked," but I'm sure many libraries would fear some sort of retaliation if they didn't comply 14:48 wizzyrea s/ot/to 14:48 wizzyrea not that I'm feeling especially compelled ot comply 14:48 paul_p wizzyrea: "asked" or "must-do" ? 14:48 jdavidb Morning, paul_p, and wizzyrea. :) 14:48 wizzyrea unfortunately we've been asked to keep all that crap private to that list 14:47 wizzyrea truth 14:47 owen If there is any hope of communication from LibLime I think that's where it's going to be 14:47 wizzyrea good morning paul_p 14:47 owen I'm referring specifically to the LL customer list 14:47 paul_p ) 14:47 paul_p (good morning wizzyrea & owen & other american ppl 14:47 wizzyrea a little of both 14:47 paul_p s/koha list/LL customer list/ isn't it ? 14:46 wizzyrea stirring up the muddy waters of the koha list 14:46 paul_p muck stirring ? 14:45 wizzyrea lol no joke. seriously 14:34 * owen did some muck-stirring 14:31 * owen is pleased to see some good questions about vendor lock-in on the Liblime-users list 14:26 tomascohen I thought perhaps manage.pl could be used to automaticaly add the plugin to the page 14:25 owen Yes 14:25 tomascohen owen: when you create a standalone report you have to manually add a link to it 14:23 tomascohen that looks like a sort of plugin infrastructure 14:22 tomascohen i found code in manage.pl and 2 report-name.plugin files 14:22 joetho http://etherealmind.com/networking-term-backhone-attenuation/ 14:22 owen You can build a standalone report, or you can generate your own with the guided reports. 14:21 owen tomascohen: I'm not an expert, but I don't think there is a "plugin infrastructure" for reports 14:20 tomascohen anyone? a useful google query? 14:06 tomascohen to spend on making some reports adding jqplot for some sugar 14:06 tomascohen i have a few hours this week 14:05 tomascohen hi, do anyone have some info on reports plugin infrastructure? 13:43 owen That suggests something has changed in the way CircAutoCompl works 13:42 owen There have been no changes to the YUI core files (as far as I know) 13:42 hdl_laptop I have a problem with CircAutoCompl wich generates Yahoo errors. 13:41 owen hdl_laptop: No 13:41 hdl_laptop owen : about YUI dependencies has it been updated to 2.6 or 2.8 ? 13:35 nengard ttyl 13:35 nengard now I'm off to teach FL librarians about open source and how wonderful it and the communities around it are 13:35 nengard chris_n just read your reply - thank you :) 13:34 slef chris_n: oic. I prefer "Nasty, British and Short" (cf Hobbs) 13:34 chris_n slef: Kyle's reply to your post on open source ballot design 13:32 chris_n slef: there was a response to your post to that effect 13:32 slef chris_n: I think the snowball dependency will last until it gets warm somewhere 13:32 chris_n ahh... 13:31 slef chris_n: I meant the club/philosophising bit 13:31 chris_n slef: nothing you wrote; I find it funny that we have a snowball dependency and wonder how long it will last 13:30 hdl_laptop But it was introduced by a patch there is quite a long time ago 13:29 hdl_laptop owen: "new" if you are using stemming. 13:29 owen toins: I'm usually testing HEAD, so if it was a dependency before I don't understand why I'm getting the error now 13:29 * slef looks at email 13:29 slef chris_n: did I write something funny? 13:28 toins i don't think it's new 13:28 chris_n lol 13:27 owen So it's a new dependency? 13:27 toins owen : perl -MCPAN -e "install 'Lingua::Stem::Snowbal'" 13:27 owen I'm trying to test biblibre_integration 13:27 owen Do you understand this error? "Can't locate Lingua/Stem/Snowball.pm in @INC" 13:26 hdl_laptop owen: yes 13:26 jdavidb Got it in one, jwagner. 13:26 jwagner So long as you don't have to shovel it, right? 13:26 owen hdl_laptop around? 13:25 jdavidb jwagner: The stuff we got in TX was usually gone within a couple of *hours*. I'm looking forward to a little bit of Real Snow(tm). 13:24 jdavidb B'zacly! They were not terribly coherent, but if you got someone with 'em, you got 'em good. 13:24 jwagner jdavidb, you can look forward to at least a few snowfalls in Maryland this winter. Of course, everything will melt off within a couple of days. Call this winter??? Sneers someone who was raised in the snow belt.... 13:24 schuster Mixed at best you always ended up with mushy grass and gravel! oo that hurts. 13:23 * jdavidb used to try to make snowballs out of the slushy-sleety stuff we got once or twice a year in Abilene, with mixed success. 13:23 schuster no drought right now! TONS of rain. Hopefully that will carry us for awhile! 13:23 nengard schuster i don't know what's worse - the snowballs here - or the heat/droughts/rains in TX 13:22 schuster nengard you beat me to it - I moved to Texas to get away from snowballs! 13:19 nengard owen - there are snowballs in koha? 13:17 magnusenger nengard: :-) 13:17 jdavidb Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. Ferrets have playmates! 13:17 nengard and the picture was obviously not this AM - but still the same general idea 13:17 nengard jdavidb - don't fool yourself I'm the property of 2 dogs - there is no owner here :) hehe 13:16 kf :) 13:16 nengard http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/2465052842/in/set-72157603415365540/ 13:16 jdavidb nengard++ # just for being nengard, even if she is a dog owner instead of a cat's property. ;-) 13:15 owen Trying to test biblibre_integration, getting "Can't locate Lingua/Stem/Snowball.pm in @INC" when I search. That one's new to me. 13:15 nengard cute 13:15 nengard hehe - I was watching them play for a while and that put a smile on my face - I love how Beau runs into Coda like a bull and knocks her on her back - it's just too cutre 13:14 schuster Too early for that! ;) snuggle with a dog for a few minutes if you can it will make you feel better. 13:13 nengard i forget where it was - and it was this morning that Nicole lost her patience 13:13 schuster Was this all on discuss, devel or on IRC? 13:13 nengard thanks schuster and owen 13:12 owen You get a ++ for standing up to the committee 13:12 schuster sorry this weekend was a wash for me so I missed all the fireworks... No matter what nengard is a gem no matter what people may have said. 13:12 nengard thanks owen - i didn't feel like i deserved ++ 13:11 schuster Yes as far as I can tell nothing from B shows up in addition to A stuff. 13:05 owen So a search limited to location A looks the same as a search limited to the group containing A and B? 13:04 schuster My search results only return the original results of location A but isn't including location B as if groups isn't activated 13:04 owen Returning no results, or returning unlimited results? 13:03 owen schuster: What do you mean when you say it's not doing anything? 13:01 schuster I setup a group but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. - Yes I didn't think it did anything either, but Paul and HDL seem to think it works for them... 13:00 owen schuster: I wasn't even aware until recently that groups actually *did* anything! :) 13:00 schuster My question is this - after you setup a group do you need to reindex or anything? 13:00 schuster Question about groups - anybody here using them to group a location for searching purposes? Admin setup stuff. 12:59 chris_n jwagner: sometimes attitude and spirit are very hard to express in an email, and it bears overstating at times with the hope of clarity 12:58 jdavidb owen++ #for standing firm on the links thing, and not getting distracted from that central issue. 12:58 Nate hi chris_n 12:57 jwagner chris_n, if you can still have a smile and a light heart after that weekend blitz, you have my admiration :-) 12:57 chris_n hi Nate 12:57 Nate gudmorning all 12:57 jwagner owen, go stand in the corner right now! 12:57 owen Or perhaps we should for a committee to consider the question of whether there should be a vote on the ballot design? 12:56 owen too! 12:56 owen nengard++ 12:56 owen chris_n++ 12:55 * jdavidb thanks chris_n for his latest, though doubtless some will disagree with it. 12:54 * chris_n hits 'send' and ducks under his desk 12:26 * chris_n tries to imagine slef running around with a club, philosophizing :-) 12:05 * chris_n wanders off to read up on current sensing circuits 12:03 jdavidb 350 emails in the last 36 hours. Lordy. That one's a-busy. 12:03 chris_n lol 12:03 jdavidb Thanks, chris_n. I was already wearing my asbestos longjohns, because of activity in another non-Koha,non-geekery community. 12:02 * chris_n hands jdavidb a fireproof suit 12:02 chris_n fortunately so ;-) 12:02 * jdavidb catches up on an interesting weekend in the email lists... 12:01 slef chris_n: tell me you're joking 12:00 chris_n slef: git create-pdf 11:39 kf owen++ 11:39 kf slef: me too 11:37 hdl_laptop slef: Koha is still our main focus 11:36 slef hi Amit 11:36 Amit hi slef 11:20 slef so BibLibre has gone Evergreen too - what does this mean for Koha? 11:16 slef Afternoon all. I know it's wrong, but owen's PDF comment http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-October/020669.html did make me chuckle. 11:09 CGI055 hey 10:52 kf back 10:30 chris_n2-away breakfast time :-) 10:14 kf lunch time :) 07:20 kf hi hdl_laptop 07:20 Ropuch Hi hdl_laptop 07:19 hdl_laptop hi 07:18 kf I did not found much so far 07:18 kf its my private wiki - but I can send you the text in an email ? 07:17 Ropuch Can you provide me with an url of this 'German Koha Projects" list? 07:16 Ropuch [; 07:16 Ropuch Bookmarked - I'll link to for sure when I finaly get polish-koha-site online 07:14 kf our first library is open now: hfjs.bsz-bw.de - but still some work to do of course 07:14 Ropuch And brand-new Koha will be available in december 07:13 kf Ropuch: thx :) I keep a list of "German Koha procjects" on one of my wikis 07:13 Ropuch Old and crapy catalog can be found here: http://sowa.wbz.uni.wroc.pl/sowa-www/sowacgi.php 07:12 Amit hi kf 07:12 Ropuch kf: it's supposed to be have german version in near future 07:12 Ropuch http://www.wbz.uni.wroc.pl/ 07:05 kf Ropuch: I know you told me, what institution you are working for... but I forgot to bookmark the link. :( just remember it had a catalog with German books 07:01 kf morning Ropuch 06:58 Ropuch Morning kf 06:54 kf hi #koha 06:53 Ropuch SCH: maybe paul_p can help you, he's faaaaaar more experienced with Koha [; 06:52 greenmang0 Ropuch: 06:52 Ropuch Hello paul_p, greenmang0 06:36 Ropuch I could if you'd have an field number in error message ;> 06:33 SCH ok , txxx u ;p 06:32 Ropuch SCH: I'm afraid I can't help you 06:28 Ropuch Hello Amit [; 06:27 SCH TOTALYou have 1 error(s) in your MARC configuration. Please fix them before using 06:27 SCH just , nvalid authority types Not all authority types referred to by the frameworks are defined. 06:26 Ropuch SCH: do you have any additional info in error message? Framwework code? Tag/field? 06:26 SCH MARC configuration. Please fix them before using 06:25 SCH how can i fix it 06:25 Amit hi nicomo, ropuch 06:25 SCH and i found that note 06:25 SCH yess i was try 06:21 Ropuch Try to run More>Administration>MARC Bibliographic framework test 06:18 SCH how that ? 06:15 Ropuch Yoe've messed with MARC Frameworks? 06:13 SCH but did u have any idea about this note < TOTALYou have 1 error(s) in your MARC configuration. Please fix them before using Koha> 06:12 SCH 06:12 SCH i found how to add 06:11 SCH hi Ropuch 06:06 Ropuch Adding authority is simple: More>Authorities>New Authority 06:05 Ropuch SCH: you want to add new authority, new athority type or new authorised value? 05:59 Ropuch Morning #koha 05:23 SCH TOTAL You have 1 error(s) in your MARC configuration. Please fix them before using Koha 05:22 SCH what this Error : invalid authority types Not all authority types referred to by the frameworks are defined. 05:21 SCH hi Amit 04:54 Amit hi sch 04:20 SCH ?? 04:20 SCH how we can Add new authority 04:20 SCH help plz .. 04:20 SCH good morning 03:54 thd hello Amit 03:54 Amit hi thd 03:49 thd rach: are you there? 03:35 brendan excellent news Amit 03:31 Amit everything is fine 03:28 brendan how are you doing? 03:28 brendan hello Amit 03:27 Amit good morning #koha 03:27 Amit hi chris, brendan 02:40 slef Oh, whoops. 02:40 slef ricardo is in the same time zone as me... WTF is he doing awake? 02:37 munin ricardo: The operation succeeded. 02:37 ricardo @later tell hdl_laptop Hi Henri! I'm planning on sending Chris the Portuguese PO files (final version) Tuesday evening (in my Time Zone, that is... it will probably be Wednesday noon, for him in NZ) 02:36 munin ricardo: The operation succeeded. 02:36 ricardo @later tell chris Hi Chris! I'm planning on sending you the Portuguese PO files (final version) Tuesday evening (in my Time Zone, that is... it will probably be Wednesday noon, for you in NZ) 02:35 ricardo OK. It's WAY past my bed time... I'll go to sleep now. Take care everyone. 02:01 thd goodnight pianohackr 01:56 pianohacker good night, #koha 01:21 chris_n2 g'night 01:20 thd good night chris_n2 01:20 chris_n2 I've got to run and help my 14 year old with a chemistry report... :-) 01:19 thd chris_n2: I like your X months idea but I cannot imagine that a realistic time would seem realistic. 01:19 chris_n2 thd: I'm sure that all discussion will be taken into consideration when nengard forms the final ballot 01:17 thd Each interim option could be presented twice: once with a quick move to an independent foundation tied to the selection and the other with the long term intent unspecified at this time. 01:15 thd If that could be explained clearly and succinctly it should capture some foundation now votes for actual foundation now options. 01:14 thd Interim options could be listed as options for an interim foundation now with the aim of having an agreed independent foundation as quickly as it would be possible to agree on any independent foundation option. 01:12 chris_n2 I don't know who lenora oftedahl is 01:12 chris_n2 I think that marshal breeding is just what he said in his article: an outside observer (that is not meant in a derogatory fashion) 01:11 thd I just had a thought about structuring the ballot for foundation options. 01:10 thd pianohacker: your idea is excellent about finding out from those advocating a foundation now option. I have been asking to have a response from advocates for positions on the mailing list but I think that few actually read much of my messages. 01:09 thd chris_n2: I favour clarifying the options stipulating that an interim holding organisation is only that and does not exclude a foundation later and having a little more text identifying the various options for those who may not recognise that HLT for example was the library for which Koha was first created. 01:05 pianohacker chris_n2: ... but still as cranky as ever :) 01:05 chris_n2 pianohacker: fingers still recovering? ;-) 01:04 pianohacker s/a foundation/a foundation *now*, dammit/ 01:04 pianohacker marshall breeding and lenora oftedahl have been the most vocal about starting a foundation; perhaps talking to them directly about temporary stewardship would give us an idea about the general reasons behind wanting a foundation 01:04 thd chris_n2: The danger could be that we should not start by overtly manipulating election outcomes. 01:03 chris_n2 thd: how so? 01:03 chris_n2 thd: I'll give it some thought over night and see if I can contribute some constructive conversation tomorrow (which will be a much better use of my time as opposed to making exchanges with Ben Ide... :-P) 01:02 thd chris_n2: I worry that your solution for the ballot would not be seen to be quite neutral enough. 01:01 thd chris_n2: Yes, I think that is the view of what is likely from most people I have noticed discussing the previous poll on #koha. 01:00 chris_n2 I think there is a very real possibility that a "foundation now" option could top the vote and we would be stuck with not being able to address the immediate issues anytime soon 01:00 thd chris_n2: If you think that then we should discuss it on the mailing list where at least the ballot drafting committee can see the comment. 00:59 chris_n2 thd: I personally think that the next ballot should not include a "foundation now" option; maybe a "holding organization now and foundation in X months/years" option 00:58 thd chris_n2: For that reason above all I have been pressing nengard hard about opening the ballot design process. 00:57 thd chris_n2: Many believe that much of the electorate is confused and we are liable to have a foundation now option chosen by the majority which will mean much more discussion about bylaws etc without actually having even an interim foundation home. 00:55 * chris_n2 would never have thought that... :-\ 00:55 pianohacker chris_n2: right, want to strike a balance 00:55 thd pianohacker: yes 00:55 pianohacker thd: such person being ben ide? 00:54 chris_n2 I agree that we can move too fast (herd mentality could set in), but also think we need to keep a fire under things so we don't stop short of where we need to be 00:54 thd chris_n2: I have no idea how that came to a few insults exchanged with a confused person. 00:54 thd chris_n2: I know that I wrote too many messages trying to clarify my previous statement which inspired others. 00:53 chris_n2 thd: no need to apologize 00:53 thd chris_n2: I tried to move the discussion in that direction. 00:52 chris_n2 seems the first order of business is to get organized as that will establish direction and authority to proceed in it 00:52 thd chris_n2: I am sorry for my part in it trying to explain a nuanced position about a remedy. 00:51 chris_n2 I saw that and checked the modification dates earlier today, but finally decided the conversation was really not getting anywhere 00:51 thd ... but as your time stamps show there has been no recent change. 00:51 thd chris_n2: some messages seem to think that there was a partial fix. 00:50 thd chris_n2: Yes the issue is about all the other demo links. 00:50 thd I would hate to extend this discussion but under some new subject such as "old bug" correction about the showcase/demo link not being a new change should be identified. 00:49 chris_n2 I thought the point at issue was the "New Demo Sites" section on the main-page 00:48 chris_n2 thd: its a shame that plone shows only what date content was modified and not exactly what content was modified 00:48 thd Yet people seem to have been confused by it on the mailing list and on IRC earlier. 00:47 thd I do not think that is a bug we want fixed at this point, however. 00:47 thd I noticed immediately in May and reported the issue on the mailing list. 00:46 thd chris_n2: I think that what people were noticing is the demo link in the blue image points to showcase which is where demos had been linked from in Kea until the new Plone website came in May.. 00:45 chris_n2 thd: I'm not sure which link nengard referred to that was broken 00:43 thd chris_n2: their seems to have been some confusion about that on the mailing list and on IRC earlier. 00:43 chris_n2 I had to log in to see the modification history if that matters 00:43 thd chris_n2: yes you found the right spot to check 00:42 chris_n2 thd, pianohacker: so it looks as though neither page has changed recently 00:42 chris_n2 http://koha.org/ .... by admin — last modified Jun 29, 2009 12:18 AM 00:41 chris_n2 does that answer the question? 00:41 chris_n2 by Nicole C. Engard — last modified Feb 10, 2009 06:31 PM This document is licensed under the GPL. 00:41 chris_n2 http://koha.org/documentation/link/koha-demos/ 00:40 pianohacker thd: admitting defeat. have not been watching the web site closely enough to determine what has changed. 00:38 pianohacker thd: I had thought the front page, but second look suggests no. still looking 00:37 thd pianohacker: which demo links do you mean? 00:36 pianohacker the demo links. I'm trying to log in to plone to see if i can get a history of the page, but no luck so far 00:36 thd pianohacker: what something? 00:35 pianohacker thd: my quick look suggest that something has changed 00:34 thd chris_n2: OK, let me know when you can clarify my question about which I suspect people had not noticed the broken link since May. 00:33 chris_n2 thd: on phone 00:30 thd chris_n2: you seem to be a generally careful reader. Do you think that LibLime fixed something on koha.org? 00:28 thd Does anyone think that LibLime fixed something on koha.org in response to recent mailing list discussions? 00:03 joetho whoops, dropped connection. live by the wireless, die by the wireless. If I missed something, jtholen@sekls.org and I AM curious.