Time Nick Message 23:16 pianohackr|work bbl 22:41 pianohackr|work see ya, have fun 22:40 chris ok off to build a tower with kahurangi, be back later 22:34 chris spotya later 22:34 chris :) 22:33 chris_n2 gotta run... and that's probably good as I'm way too focused on the issue to do much more good for it today :-P 22:32 chris ill try and do a reply later today 22:31 chris_n2 chris: keep speaking regardless of how sick others get 22:31 chris im glad to see west liberty and ccfls arent too 22:30 chris_n2 owen is surely not 22:30 chris i just wish some of the other libraries werent apparently so scared of liblime 22:30 chris i fear that people are sick of hearing my voice 22:30 chris_n2 perhaps the rest of us should as well 22:29 chris_n2 I've responded to thd's post 22:29 chris yep 22:28 pianohackr|work if jo herself could send an email to the list to that effect, that might help 22:27 pianohackr|work indeed; we need to really push the benefits of hlt on the list 22:26 chris with guarantees everything can leave, buys time to do the foundation properly 22:26 chris_n2 and now if not sooner 22:26 chris_n2 HLT++ 22:26 chris however joining an existing organisation 22:26 chris i really dont think forming a foundation now is an option, its not something you can rush 22:26 chris_n2 lol 22:26 chris :) 22:25 pianohackr|work I can volunteer for the "come on come on come _on_" team (I help get my parents places on time, so I have experience :) 22:24 chris yep 22:24 chris_n2 the more we delay the more we lend ourselves to looking disorganized, playing into LL's "scheme" to make the community look unprofessional and backward 22:23 chris i fear the majority will be new foundation again, and then talk about it for 3 more years 22:21 chris ah yeah 22:21 * chris_n2 thinks we need to go ahead and put things to a vote and get on with it... :-) 22:21 chris sup chris_n2 ? 22:20 chris_n2 grrr 22:13 chris :) 22:13 pianohackr|work every good demo needs a heckler 22:12 chris (big koha logo on the back) 22:12 chris i think ill go stand by their stand wearing my "Free your mind and your data will follow" tshirt 22:11 chris and greaest about Millennium, alnong with a range of other products that can benefit your library" 22:11 chris "We'll be demonstrating the newest version of Encore Discovery, as well as delving into our digital library solution, Content Pro and our federated search product, Research Pro. Of course we'll also be sharing the latest 22:11 chris tis fairly lame 22:11 chris ive been getting one or 2 spam every day or so 22:11 chris seems that the email addresses people registered with, were handed/sold to vendors 22:10 chris lianza (nz version of ALA) conference starts on monday 22:10 pianohackr|work dare I ask what about? 22:09 chris wow III just spammed me 22:08 pianohackr|work chris: yeah 22:07 chris to help the RM out 22:07 chris pianohackr|work: the TM could look for things like that 22:07 chris learn something knew everyday 22:05 chris oh i didnt know about west liberty 21:31 cait_laptop time for sleeping - good night :) 21:04 pianohackr|work right. another thing for the rm to look for :) 21:04 nengard In most case I'll forget :) 21:04 nengard I think this is okay - but it has to be made perfectly clear (comments or some other way) that we need to remember to put that _ before prefs 21:01 pianohackr|work as the descriptions are no longer stored in the db 21:01 pianohackr|work editing pref values obviously yes. editing descriptions and adding new ones, no. it would require write access to the files involved 20:59 owen So there's no web based method for adding/editing prefs? 20:59 pianohackr|work owen: good, thanks 20:59 pianohackr|work nengard: not exactly, you add some information to a file 20:59 * owen isn't bothered by it 20:59 owen pianohackr|work: You're referring to the prefixes for translatability? 20:57 nengard hmmm - so if i want to add a new system preferene I do it via a web interface? 20:55 pianohackr|work nengard: just a slight change to the way sysprefs are added to the new editor, was curious what you thought of the format 20:54 nengard not sure what i'm looking at - multi-tasking listening to a talk and looking at your page ... what are you asking? 20:53 pianohackr|work nengard, owen: actually, since you've both dealt with sysprefs in the past, what do you think of this: http://paste.workbuffer.org/24 20:52 nengard hiya 20:51 pianohackr|work also owen 20:51 pianohackr|work hi nengard 20:38 nengard howdy owen 20:38 owen Hi nengard 20:23 pianohackr|work chris: nice! 20:15 chris im just using some spare time to update the .po files 20:15 chris no hurry cait_laptop 20:15 cait_laptop can someone confirm that combined search in authorities (from cataloging) leads to an error 500 page? 20:14 cait_laptop chris: will work on it on tuesday, need our documentation for right MARC21 translation 20:13 chris hehe 20:12 cait_laptop ah.... thx *sigh* ;) 20:12 chris the xlst is now translatable for 3.2 also :) 20:12 chris cait_laptop: in that case here you go, http://translate.koha.org/de/opac3_1/ 20:06 cait_laptop chris: working on my next bug report right now ;) 20:05 chris cait_laptop: good, cos i had no idea how to fix it if was still broken :) 20:04 chris pianohackr|work: the more i think about your yaml solution for translation the more i like it 19:47 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, RESOLVED FIXED, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on 19:47 cait_laptop owen: just checked bug 3559 on my laptop - works here, seems there is something wrong with our install at work. 19:39 pianohackr|work good, putting out a few minor fires 19:39 cait_laptop but I think its getting better and better :) hows work? 19:38 cait_laptop never finished 19:36 pianohackr|work how's translation going? 19:36 pianohackr|work hi cait 19:29 cait_laptop hi pianohacker 19:23 pianohackr|work there, voted. hi, everyone 19:07 cait_laptop than those who do not 19:07 cait_laptop I dont know, but I found it interesting that libraries that sent advance notices dont get less fines 19:07 chris so owen if you want to replicate you will need a 3.0.x checkout running 19:06 jdavidb Got her working on something more useful. 19:06 jdavidb It's more masochistic than sadistic. How much work do libraries go to, to collect dimes? One of the libraries in our consortium where I used to work figured out that they didn't take in enough money to pay the salary for the person who spent *much* time doing that. So they quit doing it. 19:05 chris yes indeed, its 3.0.x 19:05 cait_laptop I remember that very clearly ;) 19:05 cait_laptop nahuel called me sadistic because we charge fines :P 19:05 chris i think its a feature that hasnt been put in master 19:05 chris yeah 19:05 cait_laptop we had 3.0.2 before switching to HEAD, perhaps this is because I remember it 19:04 cait_laptop owen: you are right, its not there, but I think its in 3.0.2 19:04 chris im not sure it has been ported for 3.2 19:04 chris not master 19:04 chris right, i think it will be in 3.0.x then 19:03 chris but instead stop a user being able to issue for a set period of days 19:03 cait_laptop fine days is biblibre, nahuel I think 19:03 chris how some libraries dont do fines 19:03 cait_laptop owen: give me a minute, I know I saw it there 19:03 chris hmmm actually i remember biblibre talking about this 19:02 cait_laptop ah, sorry chris 19:02 chris USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE that is 19:02 cait_laptop no, its there 19:02 chris i wonder if its a LEKism 19:01 owen Circulation and fines rules? I don't see it. 19:00 cait_laptop circ matrix 18:57 owen Where are "Fine days" configured? 18:54 chris rhcl: but i want to expand it so that koha can use it to search multiple sources (not just its local zebra db) 18:53 jwagner owen, I don't find it either. 18:53 chris rhcl: at the moment it uses it only for trying to do some frbr 18:52 chris owen: cant find that string 18:51 cait_laptop ok, hope it helps 18:50 chris yes thank you :) 18:50 cait_laptop did you get my email? 18:50 cait_laptop hi chris 18:50 chris so did anyone understand the point ben was trying to make when he posted those libwebcat links? 18:47 chris looking now owen 18:47 chris heh 18:38 brendan nice just got this email (here's the subject)--> Business Insights: See how Windows 7 can make you more productive 18:33 owen Does that string not exist in Koha or is my grepping faulty? 18:32 owen "In our case IMPOSSIBLE was set with USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE" 18:32 owen The latest evidence in the Mysterious Case of the Unknown Yellow Box! 18:32 cait_laptop good evening :) 18:21 rhcl how does koha use Pazpar2? 18:13 * owen likes a good mail day 18:10 chris right, caught up on mail 17:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3703 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Move OPAC login line to below custom header 17:57 jwagner owen, see screenshot on Bug 3703 17:55 brendan morning 17:54 chris morning 16:57 kf bye #koha 16:32 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3703 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Move OPAC login line to below custom header 16:32 owen jwagner: Can you attach screenshots to Bug 3703 demonstrating the proposed change? 16:20 owen Hi CGI825 16:15 kf I will check it on my dev install at home again, perhaps it is our data... but its strange. 16:11 owen I wonder what could be the difference between our systems? Could it be an issue with the data? 16:10 kf nope, only working on result list for me 16:10 kf I thought it was not pushed yet, will try again on my dev install laptop :) 16:10 kf hm strange 16:10 owen Yes 16:09 kf you have xslt on? 16:09 kf I have still the problem here 16:09 owen Yes, and it seems to be working fine now. I hope you don't mind that I marked it as fixed 16:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, RESOLVED FIXED, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on 16:08 kf owen: I think chris sent a patch for bug 3559 16:04 brendan then we get three weeks and that's it 16:04 brendan and we don't get rain until February 16:04 brendan yeah we haven't had rain in a long time 16:04 wizzyrea we had a strange summer 16:03 wizzyrea funny story, it's green like springtime in kansas 16:03 wizzyrea ohhh 16:03 wizzyrea eww 16:03 brendan the grass that is 16:03 wizzyrea whew that must be a relief 16:03 brendan but it's very brown/yellowish outside 16:03 brendan yup no burning at this moment in time 16:02 wizzyrea brendan: did california finally stop burning? 16:02 wizzyrea imagine* 16:02 wizzyrea and you have the support of your superiors to do so, I imagien 16:02 wizzyrea hey, someone has to 16:01 wizzyrea hehe I can tell 16:01 * owen has been feeling like stirring up trouble 16:01 wizzyrea owen is taking them to the mat ;) 16:01 wizzyrea yes. it's a black hole of info in more than one way 16:00 brendan who can't read lips 16:00 brendan good points - but always seems that we are having a conversation with a deaf person 16:00 wizzyrea it's just... wowie 16:00 wizzyrea oh I know... 16:00 * brendan just reading through all the messages on the mailing list from this morning 16:00 wizzyrea Amber waves of grain :) 15:59 brendan how goes the grasslands 15:59 brendan heya wizzyrea 15:59 wizzyrea mornin brendan 15:59 brendan morning #koha 15:59 wizzyrea owen: I'm glad that I'm not alone in coming to that conclusion 15:55 owen wizzyrea: There are times I wish we had more accountability, but the disadvantages outweigh the benefits 15:54 wizzyrea instead of a blanket account 15:54 wizzyrea that's really the only reason I could think of to do it with individual accounts 15:54 wizzyrea (neither are we) 15:54 wizzyrea so you're not too worried about circulation accountability 15:54 owen Luckily we're a fairly small operation and it doesn't happen too often. 15:53 owen And yes, wizzyrea, we change passwords as the staff changes 15:53 wizzyrea yea, that was kind of what we thought 15:53 owen There's too much movement around the circ desk, for instance, to have people logging in as themselves. 15:53 wizzyrea or no? 15:53 wizzyrea you probably change the passwords with staff turnover? 15:53 wizzyrea k. I have been wondering about that for a while 15:53 jwagner Again, varies. Some sites want to keep their personal-use accounts separate from their library staff accounts. 15:53 owen Otherwise we have a general "staff" login for general use. 15:52 owen wizzyrea: We only do that for people who are doing very specific tasks, like cataloging 15:52 wizzyrea so lrea could circ items, for example 15:52 wizzyrea er, staff user account 15:52 wizzyrea do you guys do actual staff member accounts, like, my individual account would also be my library user account 15:52 jwagner Varies by site preference & also how specific they want to get with granular permissions. 15:51 wizzyrea nekls_director, all of those, plus reports 15:51 wizzyrea nekls_tech, cataloguing, circ, holds 15:51 wizzyrea example: Nekls_Circ, circulate, place holds, no real special perms beyond that 15:50 wizzyrea we have 3 accounts per library with varying perms 15:50 wizzyrea speaking of that... how do you guys handle staff users? 15:42 jwagner owen and wizzyrea, sorry, was off in a quick meeting. I've had requests also to always make one branch the first in line for creating etc. In this case, they always want the main, but having it by the logged in user's library makes more sense to me. 15:24 wizzyrea Ottawa would probably appreciate it too 15:24 wizzyrea truth 15:23 owen Hey, at least they *know* they're at the end. What about the K's and the M's? 15:23 wizzyrea it's a lot of scrolling for them 15:23 wizzyrea would definitely help our libraries Winchester and Williamsburg 15:22 wizzyrea or in the case of a dropdown just select logged in branch from the list 15:22 wizzyrea logged in first, then alphabetical (or acq date, in the case of holdings) 15:22 wizzyrea pretty much, anywhere it would make sense to favor the logged in branch, it would be cool to organize like that 15:20 paul_p2 ) 15:20 paul_p2 (at least it's not a .doc one of my son school sended .doc with " meeting for classroom xxx on xx/xx/xxxx, witht the teache" 15:20 wizzyrea in add item 15:19 wizzyrea but like, in add patrons 15:19 * owen thinks he must compose them and give them to his secretary to email for him 15:19 wizzyrea I think chris was working on that in the holdings table 15:19 wizzyrea owen re: pdf's of plain text 15:19 wizzyrea oh srsly, that is silly 15:19 * owen wants to smack the principal of his daughter's school for sending emails which consist of PDF attachments containing plain text 15:18 wizzyrea yep 15:18 paul_p2 (in opac as well as in staff...) 15:18 paul_p2 that would please a lot of libraries I think... 15:16 owen So you want holdings from the logged in branch to always be first in the list, then alphabetical by other libraries? 15:16 wizzyrea in our system 15:16 wizzyrea since there is no "main" branch 15:15 wizzyrea we want the logged in branch to be the selected branch in every case 15:15 wizzyrea our big thing is 15:15 wizzyrea jwagner: brilliant simple solution 15:15 owen Librarians of all people should think of such things before naming their libraries! 15:14 * owen has jumped through many a hoop to make sure his system's main branch comes at the top of lists 15:10 jwagner Not a problem. One trick we learned, when a system wants a particular library to show first in the list (main lib vs branches) but it's not first alphabetically -- start its branch description with an asterisk, like *Main Branch. That will sort before Branchname 1, etc. 15:09 owen Thanks jwagner, I appreciate your efforts! 15:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3702 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Change sort order of items in staff title display 15:08 jwagner owen, Bug 3702 & patch sent. 14:41 jwagner OK, will do in a bit. 14:41 owen jwagner: I'd so go ahead and create an enhancement bug for your Items.pm change and submit your patch just for that. I think that's quite worthwhile. 14:40 jwagner owen, OK, I won't do a patch yet. Let me know if you want the Items.pm code -- got a little complicated because I had to join to branch table to get the description. 14:40 A there is no registration 14:39 A so 14:39 owen A, you don't need to register your nick to participate 14:39 A how can i register a nickname or a channel 14:39 A hi chris 14:38 owen Hmmm... My label example images are going to be a i18n problem... 14:33 owen I don't want to physically modify the order of the columns in the OPAC, I prefer to change the configuration of the table sorter 14:33 jwagner Did you have a bugzilla entry on this yet? I can format both my changes as a single patch if people want them -- I need them for one of my sites right now anyway. 14:30 owen I think that's a good logical choice for the default, so you've got my vote. 14:27 jwagner OK, good. By request of my site I've also done a change in Items.pm that makes staff client sort by branch _description_ (not code) first, then the original sort on accession date. Would that be of interest too? 14:26 owen jwagner: The configuration of the javascript sorter tells it to sort by default on the first column, so if you've physically moved the location column to the first slot it should sort that by default 14:25 jwagner (And mornings are never "a decent hour"!) 14:25 Nate hi owen! 14:25 jwagner On the OPAC sort by branch question, if I remember right, you said that just putting the item column second & making location first was enough to get it sorting in branch order, correct? I've done that change and it seems to work, just want to be sure I'm not missing something else. 14:24 owen Hi jwagner and anyone else awake at an hour that may or may not be decent depending on your time zone and inclination. 14:24 jwagner Good morning, owen. 14:13 owen Cool, thanx buddy. 14:13 owen Alright munin, lay it on me. 12:52 jwagner It's OK. While I'm busy shifting things over to you, other people are busy shifting things over to me. What Goes Around Comes Around. 12:52 jdavidb Yes, I do. You're a clever lady, like that. Be advised that I only allow that sort of thing from people I like. For others, I'm Teflon John, and the task will get handed off to someone else. ;-) 12:51 jwagner But you note how cleverly I've moved so many things from my to-do list to your to-do list :-) 12:50 jdavidb :P Speak for yerself! Despite being "out sick" for most of three days, I'm not behind on hours for the pay-period. 12:49 kf yeah! 12:48 jwagner Holiday? We don't need no steenkin' holidays!!!! 12:48 jdavidb kf: Me too. This is supposed to be a holiday weekend here in the US, and PTFS normally takes that holiday...but I'll probably spend part of it on some of my to-do list.. 12:45 kf hi Amit 12:45 kf I think you are in good company, not sure if I m still sane, just working down my todo list... and trying not to think about its length 12:45 Amit hi galen, kf, jwagner 12:44 kf :D 12:42 * jdavidb lost his a long time ago, and no one noticed. 12:41 jwagner Harrumph. 12:41 jdavidb jwagner: Loss of mind is no particular handicap, in this community, and may well help, in some situations. 12:39 jwagner I think I figured it out -- someone had turned on tag moderation on the second system, so naturally all the test tags I entered weren't working. Sigh. Still don't know where I found that script reference. Maybe I'm just losing my mind :-) 12:38 kf I think the opacbrowser feature uses the classification somehow, but never saw it working 12:38 kf went to Tag Cloud - tag was shown and linked correctly back to my title 12:37 kf added tag to title, 12:37 kf TagsInputOnDetail on 12:37 kf TagsEnabled to on 12:36 kf hm should work without cron job 12:36 kf give me a minute, I will activate tagging in our test system 12:35 kf jwagner: I think your cronjob is linked to the opacbrowser syspref, while taggging works without cronjob 12:35 jwagner Going back to the manual site, the build_browser_and_cloud references aren't matching up to anything about tags, but I know I found a write up somewhere because I went looking for how to activate the tags & found the syntax. Much puzzled now. 12:34 kmkale_ bye all 12:33 kf and that there is a "french" feature, that also includes some kind of cloud 12:32 kf hm ok, perhaps Im wrong, cant test as we have tags deactivated now :( but I thought it worked without using any cronjob 12:31 jwagner Hmmm. On the first system, the tags wouldn't link to anything until I ran it. Then they linked fine. 12:30 kf I think build_browser_and_cloud is a different feature 12:30 kf good morning jwagner 12:27 jwagner And good morning everyone. Happy Friday. 12:27 jwagner No, but I have a question on tags, if anyone's familiar with the setup. Following directions on the manual site, I tried running the script as build_browser_and_cloud.pl -f 676a -t 606 -c -b -- works fine on one system, won't work on another (tags aren't linked to any records). Ideas? Do I have the setup wrong? 12:27 kf :) 12:26 jdavidb Hi, kf! :D 12:26 Ropuch Hi kf 12:26 kf hi jdavidb and Ropuch 12:22 Ropuch maybe you know about library with decent number of tags? I need sample of Koha tag cloud 12:22 Amit hi ropuch 12:22 Amit hi jdavidab 12:21 jdavidb Hi, Ropuch. :) 12:21 Ropuch Hello Amit, Nate, jdavidb 12:16 Amit hi nate 12:15 Nate good morning everyone! 12:13 Ropuch And I want to provide her with Koha example ;> 12:12 Ropuch My girlfriend is writing an essay about how 2.0 technologies can be and are used by libraries 12:11 Ropuch I'm looking for a Koha library with some considerable tag cloud 11:54 magnusenger I know way too little about France... :-( 11:54 magnusenger a ha! Nice! 11:52 hdl_laptop I live in Roussillon : it is the area of Montpellier ;) 11:52 magnusenger we had one last night that was good: Clos des Vents, Cotes du Roussillon. Any Kohas in that vicinity? ;-) 11:51 magnusenger i'm not too much of a wine-person, though... 11:50 hdl_laptop wine is very good here. 11:49 magnusenger muahaha! 11:49 * hdl_laptop doesnot feel magnusenger as a threat ;) 11:48 magnusenger thanks gmcharlt and hdl_laptop, I think the urge will only grow stronger as we approach the winter solstice, so don't feel too safe! ;-) 11:39 hdl_laptop But you would be welcome magnusenger if you come to Montpellier 11:38 kmkale_ or if you feel like a little tan welcome to India ;) 11:35 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop 11:34 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 11:34 hdl_laptop Lyon is nicomo rather. 11:33 gmcharlt magnusenger: I think we've found your middling temperature for you - go visit hdl_laptop! ;) 11:33 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 17.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 11:33 gmcharlt @weather Lyon, France 11:30 munin hdl_laptop: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error 11:30 hdl_laptop @weather Paris 11:29 munin hdl_laptop: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error 11:29 hdl_laptop @weather lyon 11:29 munin hdl_laptop: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error 11:29 hdl_laptop @weather Lyon 11:29 munin hdl_laptop: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 22.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 11:29 hdl_laptop @weather marseille 11:10 magnusenger hm, somewhere in between would be nice... ;-) 11:09 munin magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0�C (12:50 PM CEST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 11:09 magnusenger @weather bodo, norway 11:09 munin magnusenger: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error 11:09 magnusenger @weather bodø, norway 11:00 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (4:10 PM IST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 11:00 kmkale @weather thane 11:00 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (4:10 PM IST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 11:00 kmkale @weather mumbai 09:12 chris http://twitpic.com/ksoih <-- irma presenting koha at http://open-edge.info/ 09:10 chris thanks kf 09:10 kf chris: hope your children get well soon 08:41 |Lupin| chris: yeah and resting is really the best one can do and is efficient 08:39 chris yep, sometimes the body just needs time to heal itself 08:38 |Lupin| chris: ok... sometimes one night can change many things... 08:38 chris so hopefully on the mend, we'll find out tomorrow 08:37 chris sleeping 08:35 |Lupin| chris: how are the children btw ? 08:35 |Lupin| chris: yeah it's great 08:28 chris cool 08:26 |Lupin| chris: yeah that works and I think I'll be happy with that for the moment, thanks a lot for your help ! 08:07 chris yeah give that a try and see if it works 08:06 |Lupin| chris: let's do that for the moment... :/ 08:06 chris :) 08:06 chris cp -r 08:06 chris yes |Lupin| 08:05 kf and I note everything down in my wiki... :) 08:05 |Lupin| kf: ok, thanks ! 08:05 kf |Lupin| wait a moment, I generated de-DE in a dev install 08:04 |Lupin| chris: is there a way to copy the templates "manually" ? 08:02 kf chris: that would be great - library opens on monday and we need to get notices work soon. will try to investigate the code later... perhaps I get some hints for a syspref I missed or something 08:01 chris kf: true, but i think some people are running from head already, ill see if i can find out 08:00 kf we have a standard install from git... as far as I know 08:00 kf no 07:59 |Lupin| kf: I mean, you do a dev install ? 07:59 |Lupin| kf: but you run Koha from sourcs, don't you ? 07:58 kf its a HEAD install... so noone might have tested it yet 07:58 chris kf: hmm, you'd think someone would have mentioned that before if it was a bug ... so im guessing a config thing, but i might be wrong 07:57 kf I normally generate the templates after make install - never tried it the other way 07:57 chris |Lupin|: yep its a bug 07:57 |Lupin| chris: it's strange it requires editing in that script, whereas the koha-zebraque-ctl.sh script is generated correctly... 07:56 |Lupin| chris: no 07:56 chris |Lupin|: and are the templates in the right place now? 07:56 chris |Lupin|: ah yes that does require editing currently 07:55 kf yes overdue notices 07:55 |Lupin| chris kf: oops, still in english 07:55 chris this is overdue notices kf? 07:54 kf hm, we have a problem with sending notices: they are always sent to the library, not to the patron. all other mails (advance, due, checkin, checkout) are sent to the patron - did I miss something in configuration? 07:52 |Lupin| it says ZEBRASRV=/zebrasrv 07:52 |Lupin| there may be a little problem with the koha-zebra-ctl.sh which is installed. the ZEBRASRV variable does not include the install prefix 07:51 |Lupin| btw 07:49 chris heh 07:48 |Lupin| chris: well at that point I'm thanking for the intention and the will to help... will thank once more if it actually works :-) 07:48 kf chris had the answer (no surprise there :) ) 07:48 chris don't thank me unless it actually works :-) 07:48 |Lupin| thanks a lot chris and kf !! 07:47 |Lupin| chris: yeah it seems coherent! 07:47 chris make install copies from the blib/ directory (and other places) taht the make makes 07:47 |Lupin| chris: ah ok 07:47 chris then make, then make install 07:47 chris ie install-code.pl 07:46 chris i think you need to run the make first 07:46 |Lupin| chris: any idea why the make install didn't copy them ? 07:45 |Lupin| chris: yeah I guess the problem comes from that 07:44 chris may even 07:44 chris yes but i would still check they are there, because they make not have been copied across with the make install 07:44 |Lupin| chris: yeah, just checked the syspref 07:43 |Lupin| chris: I ran the install-code script 07:41 chris and the template files exist ? 07:40 chris so you are sure it is set to french in the sys prefs? 07:40 kf did you generate the templates? 07:40 |Lupin| chris: I'm pretty sure it has more to do with the generation of messages in french 07:39 |Lupin| chris: I loaded datas from another database from a configured koha 07:39 |Lupin| chris: no no 07:36 chris i think 07:36 chris and switch it to french there 07:35 chris you need to go into system preferences 07:34 |Lupin| any idea about what might have been forgotten ? 07:34 |Lupin| but the web interface is in english rather than in french 07:33 |Lupin| I ran the install-code script before doing the make install 07:33 |Lupin| I checked out the master branch and did a standard install of it 07:33 |Lupin| pls 07:24 chris its probably high in other countries, but their IT managers don't know :) 07:24 paul_p well... it's hard to have NO oss system in a large company... but, yes, OSS is welcomed in french administrations 07:22 chris http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/29338 07:22 chris france++ 07:19 chris ahh there you are, right, add your vote then :) 07:19 kf no problem, will have her on the phone today 07:18 paul_p chris: i'm tipaul on the wiki. And yes, I edited it many times ! 07:18 chris kf: that would be great :) 07:18 chris paul_p: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing 07:18 kf I will ask the librarian first, but I think there is no problem. I can sent you some good examples after that 07:18 chris i can see hdl, but not you 07:18 paul_p chris: ??? 07:18 paul_p hello world. 07:17 chris paul_p: you have edited the wiki before eh? 07:17 chris ohhh yeah that would be awesome 07:17 kf jo asked for opacs for your presentation at lianza - do you want to show a picture of ours with hebrew? 07:17 chris no worries :) 07:16 kf ah, sorry 07:16 chris just take it out 07:15 kf should we strike-through our name from the list after voting? 07:15 kf done 07:15 chris :) 07:15 nicomo :-) 07:15 nicomo chris: ok, done my share 07:14 |Lupin| gutentag kf 07:12 chris kf and nicomo http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing 07:12 kf morning chris :) 07:11 chris morning kf 07:11 kf morning 07:08 nicomo hi chris hi all 07:06 |Lupin| hi Ropuch 07:06 chris heya biblibre .. and others in france :) 06:26 Ropuch Hi |Lupin| 06:26 Ropuch ;> 06:26 |Lupin| oooops 06:25 |Lupin| a2enmod rewrite 06:25 |Lupin| chris: :) 06:19 * chris goes to put the kids to bed bbiab 06:17 chris wb |Lupin| 05:49 chris hi Ropuch 05:42 Ropuch Hello #koha 05:21 |Lupin| see you 05:21 |Lupin| goto office; 05:00 thd chris: When we have reduced our dependence on LibLime, then we should ask for things with the knowledge that we can obtain them suitably in any case if he refuses. 04:58 thd chiris: If you read closely I suggested just that 04:57 chris but ive said my piece on that thread now 04:56 chris i admire you persistence thd, but i think that we are wasting our time and we probably should be working to reduce any dependence on Liblime rather than pandering to it 04:28 chris bbl 04:28 chris yeah, time to go give them baths 04:24 |Lupin| chris: ok, hope they will feel better soon... can't do much unfortunately 04:22 chris some kind of stomach bug, not serious but messy 04:22 |Lupin| chris: what do your sons have ? is it a serious illness ? 04:21 chris hehe 04:21 |Lupin| chris: I'm too hapy that you are here and replying to complain about how you do it ! 04:21 |Lupin| chris: np ! 04:21 chris thats my rule of thumb anyway 04:20 chris so dont take it personally if i give short answers :-) 04:20 |Lupin| So if the module is in lenny with a lower version: install it wih cpan. if it is not in lenny at all, install it with dh-make-perl 04:20 chris im more short/grumpy than normal since my 2 sons are sick 04:20 chris no problem :) 04:20 |Lupin| chris: ok, I start to understand, sorry it takes so long ...:) 04:20 chris yeah 04:19 |Lupin| I guess for this cse it's not very wise because it won't be updated, since there is no equivalent debian package ? 04:19 chris only do that for modules that arent in lenny at all 04:19 |Lupin| how about dh-make-perl ? 04:19 |Lupin| chris: ok, if that's always guaranted, that's fine 04:18 chris the CPAN one will take preference 04:18 chris nope 04:18 |Lupin| chris: but won't that cause conflicts to for instance install the module through CPAN ? 04:18 chris if a module isnt in lenny, we cant get it in lenny now 04:18 chris or dh-make-perl 04:18 chris you can do taht with CPAN 04:17 chris yeah, just put a newer version on 04:17 |Lupin| chris: well it makes the Makefile.PL print warnings... 04:17 chris or did you mean only work with packages that are in lenny, in which case, no that isnt a goal 04:17 chris doesnt stop it working on lenny 04:16 chris you can either cpan it, or dh-make-perl it on 04:16 chris yep 04:16 |Lupin| chris: commit po4:br,5 requires a Test::More which is more recent than the one provided in lenny's perl-modules package 04:16 * brendan found lenny install easiest so far 04:16 chris so im utterly sure it does 04:16 chris and mason about 4 more .. and im sure there are hundreds more 04:15 * chris has koha running on 3 lenny machines 04:15 |Lupin| chris: I'm not sure it does... 04:15 chris so as long as no one breaks it in the next month or so it will :) 04:14 chris yep, it does currently 04:11 |Lupin| chris: will it be required that the coming KOha 3.2 works on lenny ? 04:09 brendan thd -- it seems that no matter what path -- no response is the usual outcome 04:09 chris so its as good as anything else 04:08 chris and i dont think any tactic will work with liblime at present 04:08 |Lupin| good that #koha is back ! 04:08 chris i dont think it will work, but i think it is important for us to be publicly on record saying we arent happy with it 04:08 |Lupin| hi 04:07 thd I merely think that it is not tactically the best way to go about the issue. 04:07 thd I do not disagree with the good principle of that position. 04:05 chris (speaking of NPL here) 04:05 chris asking for links to a demo of Koha not LEK .. i think it behooves the community to listen 04:05 chris when you have people from the original library that spawned liblime 04:03 chris in that case, they should not control the domain either 04:03 thd we should not be advertising LEK but LEK will likely be advertised there while LibLime controls the domain. 04:03 chris and i wish they would just admit the real reasons for forking, and quit with the lies 04:02 chris don't see why we should be advertising it on koha.org though 04:02 thd Rewriting requires work and I do not think that it is worth bothering to put insignificant features under AGPL 3. 04:02 chris im fine with them running LEK forever 04:02 chris even the fork itself doesnt worry me 04:01 chris it would have to be significantly big enough to preclude that 04:01 thd Yes that is true. 04:01 chris yeah, they only have to rewrite the modification and its not 04:00 thd You only have to add a modification under AGPL 3 and then the work as a whole is under AGPL 3. 03:59 thd for the irresistible features, I do not mean now. 03:59 chris only if we rewrite all the code that liblime has copyright on 03:59 thd Not if we change to AGPL 3. 03:59 chris like the do now 03:59 chris and they will just keep taking them 03:59 chris yes 03:58 thd Yet if we build things which all the lek customers would find irresistible then LibLime will find them irresistible too. 03:57 chris because only then, can someone reconcile it 03:57 chris forks go away when code is released 03:57 chris it doesnt matter if we want what is in their branch, we cant have it 03:56 thd under what conditions do forks go away? 03:56 chris that doesnt hold when one fork is never released 03:56 thd no? 03:56 chris no 03:56 thd I think that Joe said it best when he said that forks tend to go away when both branches want what the other has. 03:54 chris ive been trying for 2 years now 03:54 chris you can ask nicely, im done with that 03:54 chris asking nicely hasnt either 03:53 thd I just think that asking is liable to be ineffective and it will not promote a reasonable attitude towards favourable change from kados. 03:52 chris by slandering the developers and anyone who objected to their fork, they have used up the last of my patience 03:52 chris their koha based business is fine, they can put their LEK stuff up once its released, until then, keep it off 03:51 chris and i have wanted that pay for support page changed for a year now 03:51 chris i just dont want references to LEK on there 03:51 chris no 03:49 brendan sorry non-LEK installs 03:49 brendan I didn't think they did no LEK installs anymore 03:47 thd Do you really think that as long as they are controlling the domain and providing a Koha based system that they would agree to remove anything which helps their Koha based business? 03:41 chris disregarding all that, then yeah 03:41 chris adn the pay for support page 03:41 chris and that they use it to put up press about their clients goint live with LEK 03:40 chris apart from the fact that they host it and are the only ones who can edit/add to it? 03:37 thd chris: Are the demo links not the strongest tie which LibLime has to koha.org? 03:35 chris yep thd 03:29 brendan hey richard 03:29 richard hey your back 03:27 brendan wb #koha 03:24 thd chris: are you there now? 01:43 chris hmmm 01:22 chris yep, newish 01:22 chris Galen Charlton 2009-08-01 12:17:18 -0400 568) 'IPC::Cmd' 01:21 chris and it works fine with the older version 01:20 chris its only used by the installer and about.pl 01:20 chris i just grepped 01:20 chris and run with the older version 01:20 chris actually, safe to ignore that 01:19 chris hmm 01:18 chris as vincent danjeans packaged up all the modules for lenny 01:18 chris if its not in lenny must be recent addition to koha 01:14 |Lupin| chris: has it been introduced recently in KOha ? Seems it doesn't appear in the package file for lenny 01:14 |Lupin| chris: not sure what to do with IPC::Cmd 01:12 chris |Lupin|: yep if they are in backports that would be ideal, otherwise if they will install from a later version 01:08 |Lupin| chris: ok thanks, I wasn't quite sure how important this might be 01:07 |Lupin| chris: ok... would it be safe to take packages from more recent versions of Debian and just install them ? 01:04 chris or cpan if you dont want to do that, i think if there is a version number its important to be at least that 01:04 chris (for |Lupin|) 01:03 chris dh-make-perl them on :) 01:03 chris cool :) 01:02 Jo they are dead keen on Koha, and were struggling away in a void a bit. Have introduced them to irc and bugzilla and discussion list so should be all go now :) 01:02 |Lupin| chris: Can they be ignored o is it better to install a newer version of the package through CPAN ? 01:01 |Lupin| chris: what should be done with such messages ? 01:01 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "zebra connection" (11 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/25 01:01 |Lupin| chris: Warning: prerequisite IPC::Cmd 0.46 not found. We have 0.401. 01:01 Jo Great visit with Mapuia IT man and librarian. 01:01 |Lupin| chris: I'll see what happens 01:01 |Lupin| chris: I remember having problems with that when I switched from NoZebra to Zebra on our dev machine 00:59 chris nope looks to me like it tries to use them 00:57 * chris looks now 00:57 chris but i must admit i havent looked recently 00:57 chris |Lupin|: i dont think so, and i hope it isnt 00:55 |Lupin| bye brendan 00:54 brendan some 00:54 brendan :) -- ok heading home for so food -- yummy 00:51 Jo Thanks for the help everyone 00:50 |Lupin| chris: first is it asks Zebra user and password, or something like that. The default values are kohauser and zebrastripes. But I seem to recall that authenticaton is turned off when connecting to the zebra server, isn't it ? 00:50 chris |Lupin|: wouldn't suprise me 00:49 |Lupin| chris: there are several potential issues with perl Makefile.PL 00:49 |Lupin| chris: sorry, I'm not following regularly enough and have no beeps on hilights 00:49 chris cool thanks 00:48 |Lupin| chris: yes 00:48 chris |Lupin|: is it the 9th in france yet? :) 00:48 * chris thinks so 00:48 chris is it 9 october UTC yet? 00:44 chris cool thanks |Lupin| 00:36 |Lupin| chris: patch sent 00:32 brendan http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=excel_delimited_text_to_koha_using_marcedit 00:31 chris Jo: there are some tutorials about converting a spreadsheet to valid MARC using marc edit on the wiki and mailing lists 00:30 chris if you save it to csv in the format that koha says :) 00:30 brendan hehe 00:30 brendan then jump in a quick little circle 00:30 chris you can import a spreadsheet of patrons tho 00:30 brendan well first Jo -- you need to stand on one foot..... 00:29 Jo cool - thanks :) 00:29 chris convert it to marc, and you can 00:29 chris no 00:29 Jo quick question: can we import a database of items from an excel spreadsheet straight into Koha 3.2? 00:29 chris since that way the get updated by security patches etc 00:29 chris where possible 00:28 chris yep, real packages always trump cpan 00:28 |Lupin| ah actually there is a typo in the packages file: it mentions libparam-util-perl whereas it should be libparams-util-perl 00:25 |Lupin| chris: I was simply not sure it was what ppl want and it was worth doing a patch 00:25 |Lupin| chris: of course I can send a patch 00:23 pianohacker good night, all 00:13 chris if not ill try to get around to it 00:13 chris |Lupin|: sorry to ask this, but do you think you would have time to send a patch to add that package to the file? 00:04 pianohacker find is one of gnu's more bass-ackwards utilities. I still haven't figured out why putting the path first is so important to it 00:01 |Lupin| oh, and the name of CPAN's configuration file was even given in the INSTALL.debian-lenny file provided by Koha... hmm!