Time  Nick            Message
23:16 pianohackr|work bbl
22:41 pianohackr|work see ya, have fun
22:40 chris           ok off to build a tower with kahurangi, be back later
22:34 chris           spotya later
22:34 chris           :)
22:33 chris_n2        gotta run... and that's probably good as I'm way too focused on the issue to do much more good for it today :-P
22:32 chris           ill try and do a reply later today
22:31 chris_n2        chris: keep speaking regardless of how sick others get
22:31 chris           im glad to see west liberty and ccfls arent too
22:30 chris_n2        owen is surely not
22:30 chris           i just wish some of the other libraries werent apparently so scared of liblime
22:30 chris           i fear that people are sick of hearing my voice
22:30 chris_n2        perhaps the rest of us should as well
22:29 chris_n2        I've responded to thd's post
22:29 chris           yep
22:28 pianohackr|work if jo herself could send an email to the list to that  effect, that might help
22:27 pianohackr|work indeed; we need to really push the benefits of hlt on the list
22:26 chris           with guarantees everything can leave, buys time to do the foundation properly
22:26 chris_n2        and now if not sooner
22:26 chris_n2        HLT++
22:26 chris           however joining an existing organisation
22:26 chris           i really dont think forming a foundation now is an option, its not something you can rush
22:26 chris_n2        lol
22:26 chris           :)
22:25 pianohackr|work I can volunteer for the "come on come on come _on_" team (I help get my parents places on time, so I have experience :)
22:24 chris           yep
22:24 chris_n2        the more we delay the more we lend ourselves to looking disorganized, playing into LL's "scheme" to make the community look unprofessional and backward
22:23 chris           i fear the majority will be new foundation again, and then talk about it for 3 more years
22:21 chris           ah yeah
22:21 * chris_n2      thinks we need to go ahead and put things to a vote and get on with it... :-)
22:21 chris           sup chris_n2 ?
22:20 chris_n2        grrr
22:13 chris           :)
22:13 pianohackr|work every good demo needs a heckler
22:12 chris           (big koha logo on the back)
22:12 chris           i think ill go stand by their stand wearing my "Free your mind and your data will follow" tshirt
22:11 chris           and greaest about Millennium, alnong with a range of other products that                                                   can benefit your library"
22:11 chris           "We'll be demonstrating the newest version of Encore Discovery, as well as                                                  delving into our digital library solution, Content Pro and our federated                                                   search product, Research Pro. Of course we'll also be sharing the latest
22:11 chris           tis fairly lame
22:11 chris           ive been getting one or 2 spam every day or so
22:11 chris           seems that the email addresses people registered with, were handed/sold to vendors
22:10 chris           lianza (nz version of ALA) conference starts on monday
22:10 pianohackr|work dare I ask what about?
22:09 chris           wow III just spammed me
22:08 pianohackr|work chris: yeah
22:07 chris           to help the RM out
22:07 chris           pianohackr|work: the TM could look for things like that
22:07 chris           learn something knew everyday
22:05 chris           oh i didnt know about west liberty
21:31 cait_laptop     time for sleeping - good night :)
21:04 pianohackr|work right. another thing for the rm to look for :)
21:04 nengard         In most case I'll forget :)
21:04 nengard         I think this is okay - but it has to be made perfectly clear (comments or some other way) that we need to remember to put that _ before prefs
21:01 pianohackr|work as the descriptions are no longer stored in the db
21:01 pianohackr|work editing pref values obviously yes. editing descriptions and adding new ones, no. it would require write access to the files involved
20:59 owen            So there's no web based method for adding/editing prefs?
20:59 pianohackr|work owen: good, thanks
20:59 pianohackr|work nengard: not exactly, you add some information to a file
20:59 * owen          isn't bothered by it
20:59 owen            pianohackr|work: You're referring to the prefixes for translatability?
20:57 nengard         hmmm - so if i want to add a new system preferene I do it via a web interface?
20:55 pianohackr|work nengard: just a slight change to the way sysprefs are added to the new editor, was curious what you thought of the format
20:54 nengard         not sure what i'm looking at - multi-tasking listening to a talk and looking at your page ... what are you asking?
20:53 pianohackr|work nengard, owen: actually, since you've both dealt with sysprefs in the past, what do you think of this: http://paste.workbuffer.org/24
20:52 nengard         hiya
20:51 pianohackr|work also owen
20:51 pianohackr|work hi nengard
20:38 nengard         howdy owen
20:38 owen            Hi nengard
20:23 pianohackr|work chris: nice!
20:15 chris           im just using some spare time to update the .po files
20:15 chris           no hurry cait_laptop
20:15 cait_laptop     can someone confirm that combined search in authorities (from cataloging) leads to an error 500 page?
20:14 cait_laptop     chris: will work on it on tuesday, need our documentation for right MARC21 translation
20:13 chris           hehe
20:12 cait_laptop     ah.... thx *sigh* ;)
20:12 chris           the xlst is now translatable for 3.2 also :)
20:12 chris           cait_laptop: in that case here you go, http://translate.koha.org/de/opac3_1/
20:06 cait_laptop     chris: working on my next bug report right now ;)
20:05 chris           cait_laptop: good, cos i had no idea how to fix it if was still broken :)
20:04 chris           pianohackr|work: the more i think about your yaml solution for translation the more i like it
19:47 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, RESOLVED FIXED, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on
19:47 cait_laptop     owen: just checked bug 3559 on my laptop - works here, seems there is something wrong with our install at work.
19:39 pianohackr|work good, putting out a few minor fires
19:39 cait_laptop     but I think its getting better and better :) hows work?
19:38 cait_laptop     never finished
19:36 pianohackr|work how's translation going?
19:36 pianohackr|work hi cait
19:29 cait_laptop     hi pianohacker
19:23 pianohackr|work there, voted. hi, everyone
19:07 cait_laptop     than those who do not
19:07 cait_laptop     I dont know, but I found it interesting that libraries that sent advance notices dont get less fines
19:07 chris           so owen if you want to replicate you will need a 3.0.x checkout running
19:06 jdavidb         Got her working on something more useful.
19:06 jdavidb         It's more masochistic than sadistic.  How much work do libraries go to, to collect dimes?    One of the libraries in our consortium where I used to work figured out that they didn't take in enough money to pay the salary for the person who spent *much* time doing that.  So they quit doing it.
19:05 chris           yes indeed, its 3.0.x
19:05 cait_laptop     I remember that very clearly ;)
19:05 cait_laptop     nahuel called me sadistic because we charge fines :P
19:05 chris           i think its a feature that hasnt been put in master
19:05 chris           yeah
19:05 cait_laptop     we had 3.0.2 before switching to HEAD, perhaps this is because I remember it
19:04 cait_laptop     owen: you are right, its not there, but I think its in 3.0.2
19:04 chris           im not sure it has been ported for 3.2
19:04 chris           not master
19:04 chris           right, i think it will be in 3.0.x then
19:03 chris           but instead stop a user being able to issue for a set period of days
19:03 cait_laptop     fine days is biblibre, nahuel I think
19:03 chris           how some libraries dont do fines
19:03 cait_laptop     owen: give me a minute, I know I saw it there
19:03 chris           hmmm actually i remember biblibre talking about this
19:02 cait_laptop     ah, sorry chris
19:02 chris           USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE that is
19:02 cait_laptop     no, its there
19:02 chris           i wonder if its a LEKism
19:01 owen            Circulation and fines rules? I don't see it.
19:00 cait_laptop     circ matrix
18:57 owen            Where are "Fine days" configured?
18:54 chris           rhcl: but i want to expand it so that koha can use it to search multiple sources (not just its local zebra db)
18:53 jwagner         owen, I don't find it either.
18:53 chris           rhcl: at the moment it uses it only for trying to do some frbr
18:52 chris           owen: cant find that string
18:51 cait_laptop     ok, hope it helps
18:50 chris           yes thank you :)
18:50 cait_laptop     did you get my email?
18:50 cait_laptop     hi chris
18:50 chris           so did anyone understand the point ben was trying to make when he posted those libwebcat links?
18:47 chris           looking now owen
18:47 chris           heh
18:38 brendan         nice just got this email (here's the subject)--> Business Insights: See how Windows 7 can make you more productive
18:33 owen            Does that string not exist in Koha or is my grepping faulty?
18:32 owen            "In our case IMPOSSIBLE was set with USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE"
18:32 owen            The latest evidence in the Mysterious Case of the Unknown Yellow Box!
18:32 cait_laptop     good evening :)
18:21 rhcl            how does koha use Pazpar2?
18:13 * owen          likes a good mail day
18:10 chris           right, caught up on mail
17:57 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3703 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Move OPAC login line to below custom header
17:57 jwagner         owen, see screenshot on Bug 3703
17:55 brendan         morning
17:54 chris           morning
16:57 kf              bye #koha
16:32 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3703 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Move OPAC login line to below custom header
16:32 owen            jwagner: Can you attach screenshots to Bug 3703 demonstrating the proposed change?
16:20 owen            Hi CGI825
16:15 kf              I will check it on my dev install at home again, perhaps it is our data... but its strange.
16:11 owen            I wonder what could be the difference between our systems? Could it be an issue with the data?
16:10 kf              nope, only working on result list for me
16:10 kf              I thought it was not pushed yet, will try again on my dev install laptop :)
16:10 kf              hm strange
16:10 owen            Yes
16:09 kf              you have xslt on?
16:09 kf              I have still the problem here
16:09 owen            Yes, and it seems to be working fine now. I hope you don't mind that I marked it as fixed
16:08 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, RESOLVED FIXED, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on
16:08 kf              owen: I think chris sent a patch for bug 3559
16:04 brendan         then we get three weeks and that's it
16:04 brendan         and we don't get rain until February
16:04 brendan         yeah we haven't had rain in a long time
16:04 wizzyrea        we had a strange summer
16:03 wizzyrea        funny story, it's green like springtime in kansas
16:03 wizzyrea        ohhh
16:03 wizzyrea        eww
16:03 brendan         the grass that is
16:03 wizzyrea        whew that must be a relief
16:03 brendan         but it's very brown/yellowish outside
16:03 brendan         yup no burning at this moment in time
16:02 wizzyrea        brendan: did california finally stop burning?
16:02 wizzyrea        imagine*
16:02 wizzyrea        and you have the support of your superiors to do so, I imagien
16:02 wizzyrea        hey, someone has to
16:01 wizzyrea        hehe I can tell
16:01 * owen          has been feeling like stirring up trouble
16:01 wizzyrea        owen is taking them to the mat ;)
16:01 wizzyrea        yes. it's a black hole of info in more than one way
16:00 brendan         who can't read lips
16:00 brendan         good points - but always seems that we are having a conversation with a deaf person
16:00 wizzyrea        it's just... wowie
16:00 wizzyrea        oh I know...
16:00 * brendan       just reading through all the messages on the mailing list from this morning
16:00 wizzyrea        Amber waves of grain :)
15:59 brendan         how goes the grasslands
15:59 brendan         heya wizzyrea
15:59 wizzyrea        mornin brendan
15:59 brendan         morning #koha
15:59 wizzyrea        owen: I'm glad that I'm not alone in coming to that conclusion
15:55 owen            wizzyrea: There are times I wish we had more accountability, but the disadvantages outweigh the benefits
15:54 wizzyrea        instead of a blanket account
15:54 wizzyrea        that's really the only reason I could think of to do it with individual accounts
15:54 wizzyrea        (neither are we)
15:54 wizzyrea        so you're not too worried about circulation accountability
15:54 owen            Luckily we're a fairly small operation and it doesn't happen too often.
15:53 owen            And yes, wizzyrea, we change passwords as the staff changes
15:53 wizzyrea        yea, that was kind of what we thought
15:53 owen            There's too much movement around the circ desk, for instance, to have people logging in as themselves.
15:53 wizzyrea        or no?
15:53 wizzyrea        you probably change the passwords with staff turnover?
15:53 wizzyrea        k. I have been wondering about that for a while
15:53 jwagner         Again, varies.  Some sites want to keep their personal-use accounts separate from their library staff accounts.
15:53 owen            Otherwise we have a general "staff" login for general use.
15:52 owen            wizzyrea: We only do that for people who are doing very specific tasks, like cataloging
15:52 wizzyrea        so lrea could circ items, for example
15:52 wizzyrea        er, staff user account
15:52 wizzyrea        do you guys do actual staff member accounts, like, my individual account would also be my library user account
15:52 jwagner         Varies by site preference & also how specific they want to get with granular permissions.
15:51 wizzyrea        nekls_director, all of those, plus reports
15:51 wizzyrea        nekls_tech, cataloguing, circ, holds
15:51 wizzyrea        example: Nekls_Circ, circulate, place holds, no real special perms beyond that
15:50 wizzyrea        we have 3 accounts per library with varying perms
15:50 wizzyrea        speaking of that... how do you guys handle staff users?
15:42 jwagner         owen and wizzyrea, sorry, was off in a quick meeting.  I've had requests also to always make one branch the first in line for creating etc.  In this case, they always want the main, but having it by the logged in user's library makes more sense to me.
15:24 wizzyrea        Ottawa would probably appreciate it too
15:24 wizzyrea        truth
15:23 owen            Hey, at least they *know* they're at the end. What about the K's and the M's?
15:23 wizzyrea        it's a lot of scrolling for them
15:23 wizzyrea        would definitely help our libraries Winchester and Williamsburg
15:22 wizzyrea        or in the case of a dropdown just select logged in branch from the list
15:22 wizzyrea        logged in first, then alphabetical (or acq date, in the case of holdings)
15:22 wizzyrea        pretty much, anywhere it would make sense to favor the logged in branch, it would be cool to organize like that
15:20 paul_p2         )
15:20 paul_p2         (at least it's not a .doc one of my son school sended .doc with " meeting for classroom xxx on xx/xx/xxxx, witht the teache"
15:20 wizzyrea        in add item
15:19 wizzyrea        but like, in add patrons
15:19 * owen          thinks he must compose them and give them to his secretary to email for him
15:19 wizzyrea        I think chris was working on that in the holdings table
15:19 wizzyrea        owen re: pdf's of plain text
15:19 wizzyrea        oh srsly, that is silly
15:19 * owen          wants to smack the principal of his daughter's school for sending emails which consist of PDF attachments containing plain text
15:18 wizzyrea        yep
15:18 paul_p2         (in opac as well as in staff...)
15:18 paul_p2         that would please a lot of libraries I think...
15:16 owen            So you want holdings from the logged in branch to always be first in the list, then alphabetical by other libraries?
15:16 wizzyrea        in our system
15:16 wizzyrea        since there is no "main" branch
15:15 wizzyrea        we want the logged in branch to be the selected branch in every case
15:15 wizzyrea        our big thing is
15:15 wizzyrea        jwagner: brilliant simple solution
15:15 owen            Librarians of all people should think of such things before naming their libraries!
15:14 * owen          has jumped through many a hoop to make sure his system's main branch comes at the top of lists
15:10 jwagner         Not a problem. One trick we learned, when a system wants a particular library to show first in the list (main lib vs branches) but it's not first alphabetically -- start its branch description with an asterisk, like *Main Branch.  That will sort before Branchname 1, etc.
15:09 owen            Thanks jwagner, I appreciate your efforts!
15:08 munin           04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3702 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner@ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Change sort order of items in staff title display
15:08 jwagner         owen, Bug 3702 & patch sent.
14:41 jwagner         OK, will do in a bit.
14:41 owen            jwagner: I'd so go ahead and create an enhancement bug for your Items.pm change and submit your patch just for that. I think that's quite worthwhile.
14:40 jwagner         owen, OK, I won't do a patch yet.  Let me know if you want the Items.pm code -- got a little complicated because I had to join to branch table to get the description.
14:40 A               there is no registration
14:39 A               so
14:39 owen            A, you don't need to register your nick to participate
14:39 A               how can i register a nickname or a channel
14:39 A               hi chris
14:38 owen            Hmmm... My label example images are going to be a i18n problem...
14:33 owen            I don't want to physically modify the order of the columns in the OPAC, I prefer to change the configuration of the table sorter
14:33 jwagner         Did you have a bugzilla entry on this yet?  I can format both my changes as a single patch if people want them -- I need them for one of my sites right now anyway.
14:30 owen            I think that's a good logical choice for the default, so you've got my vote.
14:27 jwagner         OK, good.  By request of my site I've also done a change in Items.pm that makes staff client sort by branch _description_ (not code) first, then the original sort on accession date.  Would that be of interest too?
14:26 owen            jwagner: The configuration of the javascript sorter tells it to sort by default on the first column, so if you've physically moved the location column to the first slot it should sort that by default
14:25 jwagner         (And mornings are never "a decent hour"!)
14:25 Nate            hi owen!
14:25 jwagner         On the OPAC sort by branch question, if I remember right, you said that just putting the item column second & making location first was enough to get it sorting in branch order, correct?  I've done that change and it seems to work, just want to be sure I'm not missing something else.
14:24 owen            Hi jwagner and anyone else awake at an hour that may or may not be decent depending on your time zone and inclination.
14:24 jwagner         Good morning, owen.
14:13 owen            Cool, thanx buddy.
14:13 owen            Alright munin, lay it on me.
12:52 jwagner         It's OK.  While I'm busy shifting things over to you, other people are busy shifting things over to me.  What Goes Around Comes Around.
12:52 jdavidb         Yes, I do.  You're a clever lady, like that.  Be advised that I only allow that sort of thing from people I like.  For others, I'm Teflon John, and the task will get handed off to someone else.  ;-)
12:51 jwagner         But you note how cleverly I've moved so many things from my to-do list to your to-do list :-)
12:50 jdavidb         :P  Speak for yerself!  Despite being "out sick" for most of three days, I'm not behind on hours for the pay-period.
12:49 kf              yeah!
12:48 jwagner         Holiday?  We don't need no steenkin' holidays!!!!
12:48 jdavidb         kf:  Me too.  This is supposed to be a holiday weekend here in the US, and PTFS normally takes that holiday...but I'll probably spend part of it on some of my to-do list..
12:45 kf              hi Amit
12:45 kf              I think you are in good company, not sure if I m still sane, just working down my todo list... and trying not to think about its length
12:45 Amit            hi galen, kf, jwagner
12:44 kf              :D
12:42 * jdavidb       lost his a long time ago, and no one noticed.
12:41 jwagner         Harrumph.
12:41 jdavidb         jwagner:  Loss of mind is no particular handicap, in this community, and may well help, in some situations.
12:39 jwagner         I think I figured it out -- someone had turned on tag moderation on the second system, so naturally all the test tags I entered weren't working.  Sigh.  Still don't know where I found that script reference.  Maybe I'm just losing my mind :-)
12:38 kf              I think the opacbrowser feature uses the classification somehow, but never saw it working
12:38 kf              went to Tag Cloud - tag was shown and linked correctly back to my title
12:37 kf              added tag to title,
12:37 kf              TagsInputOnDetail on
12:37 kf              TagsEnabled to on
12:36 kf              hm should work without cron job
12:36 kf              give me a minute, I will activate tagging in our test system
12:35 kf              jwagner: I think your cronjob is linked to the opacbrowser syspref, while taggging works without cronjob
12:35 jwagner         Going back to the manual site, the build_browser_and_cloud references aren't matching up to anything about tags, but I know I found a write up somewhere because I went looking for how to activate the tags & found the syntax.  Much puzzled now.
12:34 kmkale_         bye all
12:33 kf              and that there is a "french" feature, that also includes some kind of cloud
12:32 kf              hm ok, perhaps Im wrong, cant test as we have tags deactivated now :( but I thought it worked without using any cronjob
12:31 jwagner         Hmmm.  On the first system, the tags wouldn't link to anything until I ran it.  Then they linked fine.
12:30 kf              I think build_browser_and_cloud is a different feature
12:30 kf              good morning jwagner
12:27 jwagner         And good morning everyone.  Happy Friday.
12:27 jwagner         No, but I have a question on tags, if anyone's familiar with the setup. Following directions on the manual site, I tried running the script as build_browser_and_cloud.pl -f 676a -t 606 -c -b -- works fine on one system, won't work on another (tags aren't linked to any records).  Ideas?  Do I have the setup wrong?
12:27 kf              :)
12:26 jdavidb         Hi, kf!  :D
12:26 Ropuch          Hi kf
12:26 kf              hi jdavidb and Ropuch
12:22 Ropuch          maybe you know about library with decent number of tags? I need sample of Koha tag cloud
12:22 Amit            hi ropuch
12:22 Amit            hi jdavidab
12:21 jdavidb         Hi, Ropuch. :)
12:21 Ropuch          Hello Amit, Nate, jdavidb
12:16 Amit            hi nate
12:15 Nate            good morning everyone!
12:13 Ropuch          And I want to provide her with Koha example ;>
12:12 Ropuch          My girlfriend is writing an essay about how 2.0 technologies can be and are used by libraries
12:11 Ropuch          I'm looking for a Koha library with some considerable tag cloud
11:54 magnusenger     I know way too little about France... :-(
11:54 magnusenger     a ha! Nice!
11:52 hdl_laptop      I live in Roussillon : it is the area of Montpellier ;)
11:52 magnusenger     we had one last night that was good: Clos des Vents, Cotes du Roussillon. Any Kohas in that vicinity? ;-)
11:51 magnusenger     i'm not too much of a wine-person, though...
11:50 hdl_laptop      wine is very good here.
11:49 magnusenger     muahaha!
11:49 * hdl_laptop    doesnot feel magnusenger as a threat ;)
11:48 magnusenger     thanks gmcharlt and hdl_laptop, I think the urge will only grow stronger as we approach the winter solstice, so don't feel too safe! ;-)
11:39 hdl_laptop      But you would be welcome magnusenger if you come to Montpellier
11:38 kmkale_         or if you feel like a little tan welcome to India ;)
11:35 gmcharlt        hi hdl_laptop
11:34 hdl_laptop      hi gmcharlt
11:34 hdl_laptop      Lyon is nicomo rather.
11:33 gmcharlt        magnusenger: I think we've found your middling temperature for you - go visit hdl_laptop! ;)
11:33 munin           gmcharlt: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 17.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
11:33 gmcharlt        @weather Lyon, France
11:30 munin           hdl_laptop: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
11:30 hdl_laptop      @weather Paris
11:29 munin           hdl_laptop: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
11:29 hdl_laptop      @weather lyon
11:29 munin           hdl_laptop: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
11:29 hdl_laptop      @weather Lyon
11:29 munin           hdl_laptop: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 22.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
11:29 hdl_laptop      @weather marseille
11:10 magnusenger     hm, somewhere in between would be nice... ;-)
11:09 munin           magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0�C (12:50 PM CEST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
11:09 magnusenger     @weather bodo, norway
11:09 munin           magnusenger: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
11:09 magnusenger     @weather bodø, norway
11:00 munin           kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (4:10 PM IST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
11:00 kmkale          @weather thane
11:00 munin           kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (4:10 PM IST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
11:00 kmkale          @weather mumbai
09:12 chris           http://twitpic.com/ksoih <-- irma presenting koha at http://open-edge.info/
09:10 chris           thanks kf
09:10 kf              chris: hope your children get well soon
08:41 |Lupin|         chris: yeah and resting is really the best one can do and is efficient
08:39 chris           yep, sometimes the body just needs time to heal itself
08:38 |Lupin|         chris: ok... sometimes one night can change many things...
08:38 chris           so hopefully on the mend, we'll find out tomorrow
08:37 chris           sleeping
08:35 |Lupin|         chris: how are the children btw ?
08:35 |Lupin|         chris: yeah it's great
08:28 chris           cool
08:26 |Lupin|         chris: yeah that works and I think I'll be happy with that for the moment, thanks a lot for your help !
08:07 chris           yeah give that a try and see if it works
08:06 |Lupin|         chris: let's do that for the moment... :/
08:06 chris           :)
08:06 chris           cp -r
08:06 chris           yes |Lupin|
08:05 kf              and I note everything down in my wiki... :)
08:05 |Lupin|         kf: ok, thanks !
08:05 kf              |Lupin| wait a moment, I generated de-DE in a dev install
08:04 |Lupin|         chris: is there a way to copy the templates "manually" ?
08:02 kf              chris: that would be great - library opens on monday and we need to get notices work soon. will try to investigate the code later... perhaps I get some hints for a syspref I missed or something
08:01 chris           kf: true, but i think some people are running from head already, ill see if i can find out
08:00 kf              we have a standard install from git... as far as I know
08:00 kf              no
07:59 |Lupin|         kf: I mean, you do a dev install ?
07:59 |Lupin|         kf: but you run Koha from sourcs, don't you ?
07:58 kf              its a HEAD install... so noone might have tested it yet
07:58 chris           kf: hmm, you'd think someone would have mentioned that before if it was a bug ... so im guessing a config thing, but i might be wrong
07:57 kf              I normally generate the templates after make install - never tried it the other way
07:57 chris           |Lupin|: yep its a bug
07:57 |Lupin|         chris: it's strange it requires editing in that script, whereas the koha-zebraque-ctl.sh script is generated correctly...
07:56 |Lupin|         chris: no
07:56 chris           |Lupin|: and are the templates in the right place now?
07:56 chris           |Lupin|: ah yes that does require editing currently
07:55 kf              yes overdue notices
07:55 |Lupin|         chris kf: oops, still in english
07:55 chris           this is overdue notices kf?
07:54 kf              hm, we have a problem with sending notices: they are always sent to the library, not to the patron. all other mails (advance, due, checkin, checkout) are sent to the patron - did I miss something in configuration?
07:52 |Lupin|         it says ZEBRASRV=/zebrasrv
07:52 |Lupin|         there may be a little problem with the koha-zebra-ctl.sh which is installed. the ZEBRASRV variable does not include the install prefix
07:51 |Lupin|         btw
07:49 chris           heh
07:48 |Lupin|         chris: well at that point I'm thanking for the intention and the will to help... will thank once more if it actually works :-)
07:48 kf              chris had the answer (no surprise there :) )
07:48 chris           don't thank me unless it actually works :-)
07:48 |Lupin|         thanks a lot chris and kf !!
07:47 |Lupin|         chris: yeah it seems coherent!
07:47 chris           make install copies from the blib/ directory (and other places) taht the make makes
07:47 |Lupin|         chris: ah ok
07:47 chris           then make, then make install
07:47 chris           ie install-code.pl
07:46 chris           i think you need to run the make first
07:46 |Lupin|         chris: any idea why the make install didn't copy them ?
07:45 |Lupin|         chris: yeah I guess the problem comes from that
07:44 chris           may even
07:44 chris           yes but i would still check they are there, because they make not have been copied across with the make install
07:44 |Lupin|         chris: yeah, just checked the syspref
07:43 |Lupin|         chris: I ran the install-code script
07:41 chris           and the template files exist ?
07:40 chris           so you are sure it is set to french in the sys prefs?
07:40 kf              did you generate the templates?
07:40 |Lupin|         chris: I'm pretty sure it has more to do with the generation of messages in french
07:39 |Lupin|         chris: I loaded datas from another database from a configured koha
07:39 |Lupin|         chris: no no
07:36 chris           i think
07:36 chris           and switch it to french there
07:35 chris           you need to go into system preferences
07:34 |Lupin|         any idea about what might have been forgotten ?
07:34 |Lupin|         but the web interface is in english rather than in french
07:33 |Lupin|         I ran the install-code script before doing the make install
07:33 |Lupin|         I checked out the master branch and did a standard install of it
07:33 |Lupin|         pls
07:24 chris           its probably high in other countries, but their IT managers don't know :)
07:24 paul_p          well... it's hard to have NO oss system in a large company... but, yes, OSS is welcomed in french administrations
07:22 chris           http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/29338
07:22 chris           france++
07:19 chris           ahh there you are, right, add your vote then :)
07:19 kf              no problem, will have her on the phone today
07:18 paul_p          chris: i'm tipaul on the wiki. And yes, I edited it many times !
07:18 chris           kf: that would be great :)
07:18 chris           paul_p: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing
07:18 kf              I will ask the librarian first, but I think there is no problem. I can sent you some good examples after that
07:18 chris           i can see hdl, but not you
07:18 paul_p          chris: ???
07:18 paul_p          hello world.
07:17 chris           paul_p: you have edited the wiki before eh?
07:17 chris           ohhh yeah that would be awesome
07:17 kf              jo asked for opacs for your presentation at lianza - do you want to show a picture of ours with hebrew?
07:17 chris           no worries :)
07:16 kf              ah, sorry
07:16 chris           just take it out
07:15 kf              should we strike-through our name from the list after voting?
07:15 kf              done
07:15 chris           :)
07:15 nicomo          :-)
07:15 nicomo          chris: ok, done my share
07:14 |Lupin|         gutentag kf
07:12 chris           kf and nicomo http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing
07:12 kf              morning chris :)
07:11 chris           morning kf
07:11 kf              morning
07:08 nicomo          hi chris hi all
07:06 |Lupin|         hi Ropuch
07:06 chris           heya biblibre .. and others in france :)
06:26 Ropuch          Hi |Lupin|
06:26 Ropuch          ;>
06:26 |Lupin|         oooops
06:25 |Lupin|         a2enmod rewrite
06:25 |Lupin|         chris: :)
06:19 * chris         goes to put the kids to bed bbiab
06:17 chris           wb |Lupin|
05:49 chris           hi Ropuch
05:42 Ropuch          Hello #koha
05:21 |Lupin|         see you
05:21 |Lupin|         goto office;
05:00 thd             chris: When we have reduced our dependence on LibLime, then we should ask for things with the knowledge that we can obtain them suitably in any case if he refuses.
04:58 thd             chiris: If you read closely I suggested just that
04:57 chris           but ive said my piece on that thread now
04:56 chris           i admire you persistence thd, but i think that we are wasting our time and we probably should be working to reduce any dependence on Liblime rather than pandering to it
04:28 chris           bbl
04:28 chris           yeah, time to go give them baths
04:24 |Lupin|         chris: ok, hope they will feel better soon... can't do much unfortunately
04:22 chris           some kind of stomach bug, not serious but messy
04:22 |Lupin|         chris: what do your sons have ? is it a serious illness ?
04:21 chris           hehe
04:21 |Lupin|         chris: I'm too hapy that you are here and replying to complain about how you do it !
04:21 |Lupin|         chris: np !
04:21 chris           thats my rule of thumb anyway
04:20 chris           so dont take it personally if i give short answers :-)
04:20 |Lupin|         So if the module is in lenny with a lower version: install it wih cpan. if it is not in lenny at all, install it with dh-make-perl
04:20 chris           im more short/grumpy than normal since my 2 sons are sick
04:20 chris           no problem :)
04:20 |Lupin|         chris: ok, I start to understand, sorry it takes so long ...:)
04:20 chris           yeah
04:19 |Lupin|         I guess for this cse it's not very wise because it won't be updated, since there is no equivalent debian package ?
04:19 chris           only do that for modules that arent in lenny at all
04:19 |Lupin|         how about dh-make-perl ?
04:19 |Lupin|         chris: ok, if that's always guaranted, that's fine
04:18 chris           the CPAN one will take preference
04:18 chris           nope
04:18 |Lupin|         chris: but won't that cause conflicts to for instance install the module through CPAN ?
04:18 chris           if a module isnt in lenny, we cant get it in lenny now
04:18 chris           or dh-make-perl
04:18 chris           you can do taht with CPAN
04:17 chris           yeah, just put a newer version on
04:17 |Lupin|         chris: well it makes the Makefile.PL print warnings...
04:17 chris           or did you mean only work with packages that are in lenny, in which case, no that isnt a goal
04:17 chris           doesnt stop it working on lenny
04:16 chris           you can either cpan it, or dh-make-perl it on
04:16 chris           yep
04:16 |Lupin|         chris: commit po4:br,5 requires a Test::More which is more recent than the one provided in lenny's perl-modules package
04:16 * brendan       found lenny install easiest so far
04:16 chris           so im utterly sure it does
04:16 chris           and mason about 4 more .. and im sure there are hundreds more
04:15 * chris         has koha running on 3 lenny machines
04:15 |Lupin|         chris: I'm not sure it does...
04:15 chris           so as long as no one breaks it in the next month or so it will :)
04:14 chris           yep, it does currently
04:11 |Lupin|         chris: will it be required that the coming KOha 3.2 works on lenny ?
04:09 brendan         thd -- it seems that no matter what path -- no response is the usual outcome
04:09 chris           so its as good as anything else
04:08 chris           and i dont think any tactic will work with liblime at present
04:08 |Lupin|         good that #koha is back !
04:08 chris           i dont think it will work, but i think it is important for us to be publicly on record saying we arent happy with it
04:08 |Lupin|         hi
04:07 thd             I merely think that it is not tactically the best way to go about the issue.
04:07 thd             I do not disagree with the good principle of that position.
04:05 chris           (speaking of NPL here)
04:05 chris           asking for links to a demo of Koha not LEK .. i think it behooves the community to listen
04:05 chris           when you have people from the original library that spawned liblime
04:03 chris           in that case, they should not control the domain either
04:03 thd             we should not be advertising LEK but LEK will likely be advertised there while LibLime controls the domain.
04:03 chris           and i wish they would just admit the real reasons for forking, and quit with the lies
04:02 chris           don't see why we should be advertising it on koha.org though
04:02 thd             Rewriting requires work and I do not think that it is worth bothering to put insignificant features under AGPL 3.
04:02 chris           im fine with them running LEK forever
04:02 chris           even the fork itself doesnt worry me
04:01 chris           it would have to be significantly big enough to preclude that
04:01 thd             Yes that is true.
04:01 chris           yeah, they only have to rewrite the modification and its not
04:00 thd             You only have to add a modification under AGPL 3 and then the work as a whole is under AGPL 3.
03:59 thd             for the irresistible features, I do not mean now.
03:59 chris           only if we rewrite all the code that liblime has copyright on
03:59 thd             Not if we change to AGPL 3.
03:59 chris           like the do now
03:59 chris           and they will just keep taking them
03:59 chris           yes
03:58 thd             Yet if we build things which all the lek customers would find irresistible then LibLime will find them irresistible too.
03:57 chris           because only then, can someone reconcile it
03:57 chris           forks go away when code is released
03:57 chris           it doesnt matter if we want what is in their branch, we cant have it
03:56 thd             under what conditions do forks go away?
03:56 chris           that doesnt hold when one fork is never released
03:56 thd             no?
03:56 chris           no
03:56 thd             I think that Joe said it best when he said that forks tend to go away when both branches want what the other has.
03:54 chris           ive been trying for 2 years now
03:54 chris           you can ask nicely, im done with that
03:54 chris           asking nicely hasnt either
03:53 thd             I just think that asking is liable to be ineffective and it will not promote a reasonable attitude towards favourable change from kados.
03:52 chris           by slandering the developers and anyone who objected to their fork, they have used up the last of my patience
03:52 chris           their koha based business is fine, they can put their LEK stuff up once its released, until then, keep it off
03:51 chris           and i have wanted that pay for support page changed for a year now
03:51 chris           i just dont want references to LEK on there
03:51 chris           no
03:49 brendan         sorry non-LEK installs
03:49 brendan         I didn't think they did no LEK installs anymore
03:47 thd             Do you really think that as long as they are controlling the domain and providing a Koha based system that they would agree to remove anything which helps their Koha based business?
03:41 chris           disregarding all that, then yeah
03:41 chris           adn the pay for support page
03:41 chris           and that they use it to put up press about their clients goint live with LEK
03:40 chris           apart from the fact that they host it and are the only ones who can edit/add to it?
03:37 thd             chris: Are the demo links not the strongest tie which LibLime has to koha.org?
03:35 chris           yep thd
03:29 brendan         hey richard
03:29 richard         hey your back
03:27 brendan         wb #koha
03:24 thd             chris: are you there now?
01:43 chris           hmmm
01:22 chris           yep, newish
01:22 chris           Galen Charlton       2009-08-01 12:17:18 -0400  568)                             'IPC::Cmd'
01:21 chris           and it works fine with the older version
01:20 chris           its only used by the installer and about.pl
01:20 chris           i just grepped
01:20 chris           and run with the older version
01:20 chris           actually, safe to ignore that
01:19 chris           hmm
01:18 chris           as vincent danjeans packaged up all the modules for lenny
01:18 chris           if its not in lenny must be recent addition to koha
01:14 |Lupin|         chris: has it been introduced recently in KOha ? Seems it doesn't appear in the package file for lenny
01:14 |Lupin|         chris: not sure what to do with IPC::Cmd
01:12 chris           |Lupin|: yep if they are in backports that would be ideal, otherwise if they will install from a later version
01:08 |Lupin|         chris: ok thanks, I wasn't quite sure how important this might be
01:07 |Lupin|         chris: ok... would it be safe to take packages from more recent versions of Debian and just install them ?
01:04 chris           or cpan if you dont want to do that, i think if there is a version number its important to be at least that
01:04 chris           (for |Lupin|)
01:03 chris           dh-make-perl them on :)
01:03 chris           cool :)
01:02 Jo              they are dead keen on Koha, and were struggling away in a void a bit. Have introduced them to irc and bugzilla and discussion list so should be all go now :)
01:02 |Lupin|         chris: Can they be ignored o is it better to install a newer version of the package through CPAN ?
01:01 |Lupin|         chris: what should be done with such messages ?
01:01 pastebot        "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "zebra connection" (11 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/25
01:01 |Lupin|         chris: Warning: prerequisite IPC::Cmd 0.46 not found. We have 0.401.
01:01 Jo              Great visit with Mapuia IT man and librarian.
01:01 |Lupin|         chris: I'll see what happens
01:01 |Lupin|         chris: I remember having problems with that when I switched from NoZebra to Zebra on our dev machine
00:59 chris           nope looks to me like it tries to use them
00:57 * chris         looks now
00:57 chris           but i must admit i havent looked recently
00:57 chris           |Lupin|: i dont think so, and i hope it isnt
00:55 |Lupin|         bye brendan
00:54 brendan         some
00:54 brendan         :) -- ok heading home for so food -- yummy
00:51 Jo              Thanks for the help everyone
00:50 |Lupin|         chris: first is it asks Zebra user and password, or something like that. The default values are kohauser and zebrastripes. But I seem to recall that authenticaton is turned off when connecting to the zebra server, isn't it ?
00:50 chris           |Lupin|: wouldn't suprise me
00:49 |Lupin|         chris: there are several potential issues with perl Makefile.PL
00:49 |Lupin|         chris: sorry, I'm not following regularly enough and have no beeps on hilights
00:49 chris           cool thanks
00:48 |Lupin|         chris: yes
00:48 chris           |Lupin|: is it the 9th in france yet? :)
00:48 * chris         thinks so
00:48 chris           is it 9 october UTC yet?
00:44 chris           cool thanks |Lupin|
00:36 |Lupin|         chris: patch sent
00:32 brendan         http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=excel_delimited_text_to_koha_using_marcedit
00:31 chris           Jo: there are some tutorials about converting a spreadsheet to valid MARC using marc edit on the wiki and mailing lists
00:30 chris           if you save it to csv in the format that koha says :)
00:30 brendan         hehe
00:30 brendan         then jump in a quick little circle
00:30 chris           you can import a spreadsheet of patrons tho
00:30 brendan         well first Jo -- you need to stand on one foot.....
00:29 Jo              cool - thanks :)
00:29 chris           convert it to marc, and you can
00:29 chris           no
00:29 Jo              quick question: can we import a database of items from an excel spreadsheet straight into Koha 3.2?
00:29 chris           since that way the get updated by security patches etc
00:29 chris           where possible
00:28 chris           yep, real packages always trump cpan
00:28 |Lupin|         ah actually there is a typo in the packages file: it mentions libparam-util-perl whereas it should be libparams-util-perl
00:25 |Lupin|         chris: I was simply not sure it was what ppl want and it was worth doing a patch
00:25 |Lupin|         chris: of course I can send a patch
00:23 pianohacker     good night, all
00:13 chris           if not ill try to get around to it
00:13 chris           |Lupin|: sorry to ask this, but do you think you would have time to send a patch to add that package to the file?
00:04 pianohacker     find is one of gnu's more bass-ackwards utilities. I still haven't figured out why putting the path first is so important to it
00:01 |Lupin|         oh, and the name of CPAN's configuration file was even given in the INSTALL.debian-lenny file provided by Koha... hmm!