Time Nick Message 00:13 chris_n chris about? 00:18 chris_n @later tell chris please release my email from list jail :-) 00:18 munin` chris_n: The operation succeeded. 00:19 pianohacker chris_n: what happened? 00:19 chris_n my reply had to many recipients 00:19 chris_n and so it awaits "moderator approval" 00:21 pianohacker Ah. Might be easier just to resend in approvable form, none of my jailed emails have ever been released 00:25 chris_n chris took care of one the other night for me 00:25 pianohacker ah, nvm then 00:36 Jo afternoon all 00:37 pianohacker hey Jo 00:38 Jo hiya 01:40 chris_n^2 its awful quiet tonight/today 02:00 pianohacker boom 02:00 pianohacker crash 02:00 pianohacker *bang* 02:01 * chris_n^2 loves the sound of virtual noise 02:03 ebegin hi all! 02:04 brendan heya #koha 02:05 chris_n^2 hi ebegin && brendan 02:07 ebegin Is there a solution for the time required to save a record? 02:08 chris_n^2 you mean saving a bib record? 02:10 ebegin yes, that's what I mean. It currently takes almost 1 minutes between the time I'm pressing the Save and getting the items page... 02:10 chris_n^2 yeah, lots of JS form validation going on there 02:10 chris_n^2 it can be painfully slow 02:11 pianohacker ebegin: do you have a lot of mandatory fields or subfields? 02:12 ebegin Not really "a lot". Less that the default framework 02:13 pianohacker hmm 02:14 pianohacker reducing it even a tad might help, if it's that slow currently 02:15 chris_n^2 @later tell chris nvm, I resent the email to the list only, tnx 02:15 munin` chris_n^2: The operation succeeded. 02:15 * chris_n^2 takes pianohacker's way out of jail 02:16 pianohacker hehe 02:16 pianohacker chris_n: saw it 02:16 ebegin Anybody knows if the code process only the fields that are displayed in the editor or it validate all values, even those that are not displayed in the editor? 02:16 chris_n^2 @quote random 02:16 munin` chris_n^2: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009) 02:16 chris_n^2 lol 02:17 chris_n^2 ebegin: I think only the fields included in the framework you have setup are validated 02:17 chris_n^2 so less fields == faster validation time 02:18 ebegin Hmm... that could be a nice optimization though. I'll doublecheck that because we actually don't need validation on fields that are not displayed in the editor 02:18 ebegin ... or maybe I missed someting. 02:19 pianohacker Less validated fields, at least; it loops mandatory fields to see if they're present, rather than looping every field to see if it is mandatory and present 02:19 * chris_n^2 seems to remember some discussion a while back about stripping down the frame work to only the fields/subfields used 02:33 * chris_n^2 calls it a night 02:33 chris chris_n^2: discarded the message, so you wont get a double up 02:33 chris_n2-away chris: tnx 03:32 pianohacker good night 03:48 brendan good night 04:00 schuster anybody testing the pre 3.2 release? 04:01 chris yep 04:01 chris there are still some things to get merged in though, including the new acquisitions 04:02 chris then there will be more heavy testing, before a release candidate 04:02 Amit hi chris, brendan, richard 04:02 Amit good morning #koha 04:02 richard hi Amit 04:05 chris schuster: why do you ask? 04:06 schuster Hey... I was on the Biblibre "test" site and I was going to add a user, but couldn't figure out how there wasn't a button! When I searched for a borrower Schuster - there wasn't an option to add me! 04:07 chris ah that is just testing some of the stuff as far as i know 04:08 schuster OK just made me panic a little that I couldn't add a user! 04:08 chris i dont think it is running a copy of master 04:08 chris yeah :) 04:09 chris 3.2 is still a little ways off, have to merge in the last of the features, then lots of testing 04:10 schuster In the last IRC they were talking about a final 3.0003 type run before the full 3.2 release or something like that. 04:10 chris well there is gonna be a 3.0.4 04:10 chris but that is 3.0.3 with bugfixes .. none of the new features 04:11 chris its in parallel to 3.2.0 04:12 schuster Henri I thought was running this 303 type system x......115 was the version I was on today... I want to help out, but am a little handicapped in places! 04:12 chris yep, HDL is doing the 3.0.4 release and I have been helping him out a bit, we are nearly done, then there will be a week or 2 for the translators, then 3.0.4 released 04:13 chris meantime galen and others are working on what will be 3.2.0 04:13 chris you might like to fire off an email to the koha-devel list 04:13 chris asking what would be the best use of your time 04:14 schuster OK that's a great idea. thanks 04:15 schuster Dogs are asleep and it is cool here tonight so I bet I sleep well tonight! 04:16 schuster talk to ya later! 04:37 chris hmmm 04:52 wajasu any developers here? 04:54 * chris is just about to catch a bus home 04:56 chris the rest are most likely asleep (the americans), or just about to wake up (the europeans) 04:59 wajasu i'm reading the dev wiki right know and debating weather or not i should set up the dev environment and submit an enhancement. 04:59 wajasu i helped set up a koha box for a new library and they are importing their files. 05:00 chris we are in feature freeze for 3.2.0 at the moment, so it wont make it into 3.2.0 but it could go in the next feature release 05:03 wajasu the pain that they are having is when they import and the item call number is assigned (currently pulled from either the 090 or 050 field), they need it to be smarter. 05:04 wajasu a preference allows the selection from one or the other of those two fields by specifying which accordingly. 05:06 wajasu i am wondering if we could let them specify a list of places (i.e. more than one) so that during import if the 090 field had a call number, its imported, then if 050 is not empty, import it, and so on. 05:08 wajasu I might be able to code it backwards compatible so existing system prefs continue with the same behavior, but newer ones that list additonal fields import accordingly. 05:10 wajasu the preference field become a fancier rule field, which it already is. But, I wouldn't want to submit such a patch unless it made sense for others. 05:11 wajasu I guess if I could do this simple patch, and I understand the process, then I might work on some other need since I have the dev environment set up. 05:42 Ropuch Morning, #koha 05:54 Amit hi nicomo, ropuch, magnusenger 05:57 magnusenger hi Amit 06:01 Ropuch hello Amit, magnusenger 06:04 magnusenger hi Ropuch 06:04 nicomo morning all 06:04 Ropuch heheh 06:05 Ropuch #koha: the greeting channel ';> 06:19 tjr Is there any method to non interactively modify a marc record in Koha, idea is just to add item records to the existing record non-interactively. Can MarcEdit be used non interactively. Has any one written perl program to modify marc record out side koha environment and update the koha marc record (including items) with the modified one . 06:20 tjr Is there any method to non interactively modify a marc record in Koha, idea is just to add item records to the existing record non-interactively. Can MarcEdit be used non interactively. Has any one written perl program to modify marc record out side koha environment and update the koha marc record (including items) with the modified one . 06:36 Ropuch Morning, paul_p 06:40 kf good morning 06:41 Ropuch Hello kf 06:42 kf hi Ropuch 06:42 Amit hi kf 06:44 kf hi Amit 07:09 slef chris: If anyone else asks, I wouldn't use fink on MacOS again. People using MacPorts seem to have far more success than I did, but that may have been the sysadmin. 07:09 slef I should add a comment to that blog page. 07:27 hdl_laptop chris: Is there any Template validator tool we could use to prove our template are well formed ? 07:36 chris htmltidy does an alright job 07:38 kf good morning chris 07:39 chris weblint is good too 07:39 chris hi kf 07:39 kf chris: search for [ Intranet for 3.1.x/3.2 ] de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po seems not to work, you get results where the term is not included 07:40 chris hmm not sure if i can do anything about that im afraid 07:40 kf chris: I was afraid you would say that 07:41 kf chris: I think I had this problem before, perhaps something went wrong when the files got updated? 07:42 chris could be i guess 07:43 kf sometimes the term is on the same page as the wrong result 07:51 magnusenger Hm, how is the "Serial record flag" in 942s supposed to work when it is hidden in the editor (hidden = -5)? 07:52 chris hdl_laptop: http://koha.pastebin.com/m5541ecd5 07:54 hdl_laptop chris thanks for that. 07:55 hdl_laptop But I want to be able to ensure that an open TMPL_IF or TMPL_LOOP or TMPL_UNLESS is closed. 07:55 hdl_laptop Not an html validator... (even if it should be used more often. 07:55 hdl_laptop Very curious so many </div> are found missing. 07:56 hdl_laptop Maybe because <TMPL_IF> and <div> are misplaced. 07:56 chris yep 07:57 chris nope there isnt a html::template validator 07:57 chris another reason to move to template toolkit 07:58 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=lib/Koha/Templates.pm;h=2ff0dd8e903df47a3e1fd0bee564dee458179cd0;hb=09b1a58cc1beb5d1cab41a83fb498a9081c14431 07:58 chris plus http://search.cpan.org/~mbait/HTML-Template-Convert-TT-0.04/lib/HTML/Template/Convert/TT.pm 07:58 chris :) 08:04 hdl_laptop plus http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=466269 08:06 chris yeah we use TT for stuff.co.nz 08:06 chris only using 1 filter (cleaning whitespace) 08:06 chris but its really handy 08:08 chris (plus you can cache rendered output into memcached) 08:10 chris its on my list to work on once 3.2 is out 08:10 chris magnusenger: sorry just saw your question 08:10 chris and i dont have an answer 08:11 magnusenger thanks for noticing, anyway... ;-) 08:13 magnusenger I guess my real question is how to generate subscriptions for serials when they are imported from a batch of MARC records. Or must the subscriptions be created manually after the import? 08:15 hdl_laptop MARC records and subscription are two different things. 08:15 magnusenger Hm, there's lots of info about subscriptions that are not in the MARC, so i guess the best I can do is to create a very basic subscription from the MARC, just the link to the record, really. 08:15 hdl_laptop We usually add subscriptions after bib imports. 08:16 hdl_laptop yes This is what we usually do 08:16 magnusenger so you use the MARC-data to create some SQL to generate basic subscription-info? 08:16 magnusenger or is there another way to do it? 08:17 hdl_laptop usually ILSes have subscriptions tables. 08:17 hdl_laptop And we use that. 08:18 magnusenger a ha, not sure my client's ils has that, though, must check 08:19 magnusenger hdl_laptop, do you know what part 942s is supposed to play in this? 08:20 hdl_laptop Llers would be better placed than me to answer. 08:20 magnusenger ok, thanks! 08:22 chris lol 08:23 chris good luck with that 08:23 chris i vote asking an ex Ller 08:23 magnusenger ;-) 08:36 chris ill answer here CGI912 08:36 chris yes, you can use the marc uploader in the tools section 08:37 chris btw, a simple hello is considered polite 08:37 chris :) 08:38 chris and if you ask here, the question and answer get logged so hopefully help others :-) 08:43 chris heh 08:43 slef cloak and daggers 08:43 chris for the record the question was 08:43 chris 20:35 <CGI912> Is there any way we can update the existing marc record using bulkmarcimport.pl any other porgram with the modified marc record. At least we should be able to add items to the existing record this way. 08:48 chris hmm i wonder if penny is still leading the vote for keynote speaker for code4lib 08:49 chris hmm nope tim o'reilly has passed her 08:49 chris Tim O'Reilly [77]; Penny Leach [76]; Paul Jones [75]; Cathy Marshall [71]; Randall Munroe [69]; Peter Morville [68]; Mark Pilgrim [67]; Adrian 08:50 chris Holovaty [63]; Jonathan Zittrain [57]; Mitchell Baker [52]; Jon Udell [51]; Jono Bacon [44]; Andy Lester [42]; Joe Lucia [41]; Richard Stallman [41]; 08:50 chris Daniel Pitti [40]; Clifford Lynch [38]; Benjamin Mako Hill [38]; Joan Frye Williams [33]; Patrick Ball [32]; 08:55 slef boo! ;-) 08:55 slef where's the vote? Where's the conference? ;-) 08:56 chris http://code4lib.org/conference/2010/ 08:57 chris http://vote.code4lib.org/election/index/11 08:58 chris hi Colin 08:58 Colin Hi Chris 09:27 Amit hi colin, chris_n2 09:30 Colin Hi Amit 10:28 chris_n2-away slef: code4lib conf is only 5 hours from where I am 10:29 * chris_n2-away might wander out there 10:29 slef chris_n2-away: Asheville, North Carolina 10:29 chris_n2-away oh, g'morning 10:29 chris_n2-away slef: yeah, we often vacation in that area 10:30 slef vote page doesn't work. No time to debug it now. 10:30 slef (just a page of names, one per underlined line) 10:30 slef mmmm, vacation 10:30 * chris_n2-away heads off to find b'fast, bbiab 10:31 Amit hi slef 10:32 slef hi Amit 10:38 slef Damn. I deleted a small feature trying paul_p's git tip. It's not that simple. :-( 10:38 * slef tried to find a copy of that feature in another git clone 10:38 slef s/tried/tries 10:49 slef heh, his network uplink is protecting him again ;-) 11:56 chris_n hi Amit 12:13 jwagner kf, around? 12:17 kf jwagner: just saw your reply 12:17 jwagner To Bug 3380? Wanted to follow up with you on that. 12:17 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3380 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de, NEW, Serial enumeration / chronology should display in opac holds interface. 12:18 kf jwagner: do you always show the volume column or only if there are values for it? 12:20 jwagner Just doublechecked -- it's always there. 12:21 kf jwagner: ah ok, this will work as well. I wanted to try to show the column only when its needed, so that we save some space 12:22 kf jwagner: when do you think its ready to be sent out? its a little urgent for us... library opens on october 12th and patrons need to request volumes of journals because they are in closed stacks 12:22 jwagner Ours is more the brute force approach... 12:23 jwagner The feature has finished testing -- it's a question of when we can get it sent out. Maybe in the next week? David? 12:23 jdavidb Likely so. I'd like to get a bunch of things thrown over the transom this week or this weekend. Intended to last weekend, but Life Gets In The Way Sometimes. 12:24 jwagner FYI, we are also working on another feature, to allow multiple holds by one patron on one title (i.e., for different serials issues). That one's not near completion yet, but I thought I'd let you know it's coming. Haven't done a bugzilla on it yet, come to think of it. 12:24 kf I would be really happy if it could get in 3.2, because its really needed for us 12:25 kf do you want to take the bug then? 12:25 kf or I could try to redo my patch with column only shown when needed 12:25 jwagner If you think ours would work for your needs, sure. 12:25 jwagner Having the column only show when needed would be an elegant revision :-) 12:26 kf Dont know if I can do this - but I would like to try 12:27 jdavidb kf: Anything I can do to help, I'll be glad to. :) It never hurts to have another contributor to Koha. 12:28 kf you know, Im not a programmer, but I want to learn to do more things. This is something we need and seemed not so difficult 12:29 jwagner kf, I'm not a Real Programmer either, I just play one on TV :-) And send all sorts of "why didn't you do it this way" feedback to the real developers when I'm testing their stuff :-) 12:31 kf I think working together makes koha so great, librarians and developers 12:32 kf ok. I will try to redo the patch so that the column shows after call number, as in your screen shot, but only when its needed - and will add to the bug if successful or not 12:33 kf ok? :) 12:34 jwagner So you're going to redo yours? Do you still want us to send ours out? 12:34 jdavidb Excellent! :) 12:35 kf I wont touch staff, so this will still be missing 12:37 kf I dont know what else jdavidb's patches might include 12:42 jdavidb Well, I'll still throw it out there, because we're committed to do so in all but the most tiny customizations, or when customer security won't let us. you can decide, kf, if you'd like to use it. 12:42 jdavidb If your answer is a better one, I'm fine with that, or if you think of a good way to enhance ours, please do! 12:45 kf jdavidb: perhaps its just that I started working on this and perhaps want to find out if it will work as I think... and it would be only a little different to your solution. But we definitely need a solution in a stable koha release - yours or mine. perhaps I should just hand over the bug ;) 12:46 jdavidb I'll bump it to the top of my list, then, and get it thrown over the wall. Getting it into 3.2 is not up to me, but gmcharlt, but hopefully he can be wheedled into taking it in. 12:47 kf I hope so 12:47 * gmcharlt accepts chocolates ;) 12:47 kf :) 12:47 nengard ooo - is that the secret?? :) 12:47 jdavidb Chocolate can be arranged, gmcharlt. Lotsa good karma is also negotiable. 12:47 gmcharlt more seriously, doesn't strike me that it's going to be an archiecture-shattering change 12:48 kf I can offer swiss chocolate - Konstanz is near to the border 12:48 kf gmcharlt: can you ignore my patch from yesterday please? 12:48 jdavidb Not really, gmcharlt. This is a relatively minor enhancement, codewise, but is a nice touch. 12:49 gmcharlt kf: ok 12:49 kf gmcharlt: thx :) 13:08 ebegin good morning koha! 13:08 owen Hi ebegin 13:13 owen Thinking about a particularly nasty bug we're experiencing, I wonder if we're missing out on a lot of bug reports because they're staying between customer and vendor? 13:14 owen There's certainly nothing to be gained in publicly fixing a bug if you're not sharing your work with the world. 13:16 slef We used to pass almost all bugs to bugs.koha.org but I got bored arguing the toss, so it only happens when it's clear-cut and can't possibly be blamed on the customer. I am reviewing our past fixes while trying to clean my tree for publication, though. 13:17 slef Also, quite a few of the bugs we get are already reported by other more cutting-edge testers 13:17 slef then I just add myself to cc 13:19 slef Finally, sometimes those bugs are already assigned to people so we do a quick local fix and work on something else while we wait for the proper fix. I should review the ones we're waiting for and tidy/submit our patches in cases where no-one else did. 13:19 slef now I'm off to lunch :) 13:20 slef Before I go, I just checked: we only have 156 Koha bugs open at the moment and a lot of those are local or extension things. 13:20 owen It can be hard--especially for the customer--to know whether it's a local problem or a Koha problem. 13:20 owen It can be hard even for someone like me who has more experience than most customers. 13:21 slef Because we rarely control all the customer's IT systems, it can be hard for us to tell that too. In at least one notorious case, everyone pointed the fingers at everyone else. 13:21 owen Sounds like my plumber and my heating contractor. 13:22 slef oh yeah... I've been shocked at one site that coordinating with other IT suppliers multiplies my time estimate by about 4. 13:22 slef 2 to 2.5 is normal, but 4??? 13:22 slef anyway, I'm starving here. biab 13:36 kf jwagner: I love your screenshots :) 13:55 chris_n hi owen 13:55 owen Hi chris_n. Sorry I missed you yesterday afternoon 13:55 chris_n np 13:55 chris_n what did you find? 13:55 owen I had a question about the labels interface 13:55 owen Let me try to find where I was... 13:56 * chris_n throws gmcharlt some virtual chocolate 13:57 jwagner kf, sorry, been off in a meeting. Which screenshot? I've loaded several to bugzilla this morning :-) 13:57 owen Mmmm... virtual chocolate. Almost as bad as Hershey's chocolate ;) 13:58 chris_n virtual chocolate == very low calories 13:58 owen Okay, chris_n, if you're adding items to a new batch, my thought was that we should hide the buttons to delete items, check dupes, etc. 13:58 chris_n owen: excellent idea 13:58 chris_n some JS magic perhaps? 13:59 owen I thought a check for the TMPL_LOOP of existing items would work 14:00 owen <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="table_loop" --> 14:00 chris_n great 14:01 owen Okay, I'll make it so. 14:01 chris_n it might also be nice to indicate the number of the new batch somehow 14:01 chris_n "There are no items in batch <batch_number> yet" 14:02 owen Okay 14:02 * chris_n greets brendan 14:03 chris_n I'm off for a bit owen; bbl 14:08 brendan morning 14:11 nicomo hi brendan 14:11 kf jwagner: not one specific, its just great to see new features. :) looked at hold option some minutes ago 14:11 brendan hi nicomo 14:13 nengard morning nicomo and brendan 14:13 brendan heya engard 14:13 brendan heya nengard 14:14 nengard :) 14:16 nengard spend today and yesterday booking all my travel - shocked that my credit card company hasn't called to ask me if my card was stolen 14:16 kf :) 14:19 jwagner kf, we still have some more in the pipeline -- I'll get them added as soon as they're nailed down. Been a busy year... 14:21 kf yes, very busy 14:22 kf our librarian asked to display place of publication together with publication year and publisher 14:22 kf would it be ok to add this or is there a reason why it is not shown? 14:22 kf ok, talking about opac detail xslt :) 14:24 jwagner I think it would be fine to show it on the details page. The more info the better. 14:26 kf jwagner: ok, I think we will add it and sent a patch after wolfgang's vacation 14:45 kmkale @weather mumbai 14:45 munin` kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (7:40 PM IST on September 24, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 14:51 owen I'm still not sure what I should do about this error I get when trying to search for items to add to a label batch 14:51 owen Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/labels/label-item-search.pl line 129. 14:51 owen Is there something else I can do to try to track down the cause? 14:51 owen ...besides scratch my head, that is. 14:52 owen Because I've done that and it didn't work. 14:57 chris_n heh 14:57 * chris_n tries to focus 14:59 chris_n owen: do you have a version w/o the labels rewrite you can try the search on over the same database? 15:01 * owen tries it in master 15:03 chris_n owen: any chance you can grab this version of the script: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob_plain;f=labels/label-item-search.pl;hb=41d550df4fd72a0f53ad096b32ff8b9aa84bd8ac 15:03 chris_n and try it? 15:03 chris_n that would determine if the changes I made broke things for you 15:06 owen I'm confused now... Has labels_recon been integrated into HEAD now? 15:07 nengard chris_n and owen whenever it is integrated - i need help with documentation - i never understood labels ;) 15:13 chris_n owen: yes 15:13 * owen is out of touch 15:14 owen chris_n: the version you sent me works in as much as it doesn't return an error. But it also doesn't return search results 15:15 slef nengard: are you using tripit on linkedin? 15:15 nengard slef i was - i think - but I pref dopplr so I haven't updated tripit 15:15 nengard why? 15:16 chris_n owen: on phone 15:16 slef just being stalky, wondered where you were going :) Bergen? 15:16 slef I don't like tripit or dopplr but I don't know the FOSS options 15:16 nengard slef In Oct - I'm going to Nevada and then California in November I'm going to Bergen, Oslo, Venice and Rome 15:16 slef so I use tripit because it's in my face 15:17 nengard I put all my stuff on my calendar which is on my site: http://www.web2learning.net/about-me/my-presentinglearning-calendar 15:17 slef we need some common standard for calendaring 15:17 nengard we? the world? or we the koha world? 15:17 slef the world 15:18 slef like http://host/homepage/calendar gets you their calendar 15:18 nengard doubt that's gonna happen :) hehe 15:18 nengard oh! like that 15:18 chris_n isn't the koha world *the* world? 15:18 slef but smarter people than me have been trying to do things like that for ages 15:18 * chris_n is now seriously disillusioned 15:18 nengard poor chris_n 15:18 jwagner Can anyone help me understand what RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight and StaticHoldsQueueWeight sysprefs do, especially in a multi-library environment? What this site wants is to make sure "next available" hold is truly the next available, regardless of the patron or item branch -- anywhere in the system. 15:19 chris_n owen: I'm puzzled too 15:19 nengard jwagner - you mean my documentation didn't help you??? hehe - probably cause I had no idea what I was saying .... 15:19 slef chris_n: welcome to my world. Moohahah. 15:19 chris_n of course file I pointed you to would not work :-P 15:19 slef disillusioned+puzzled 15:19 * chris_n really tries to get up to spped 15:19 chris_n speed even 15:20 chris_n owen: chris tested the labels stuff... maybe we should check with him to see if he has any thoughts 15:20 * chris_n thinks gmcharlt did some testing also 15:21 chris_n and my catalogers have used it for better than a month now 15:21 chris_n s/used/vetted/ 15:21 chris_n to use the latest terminology :-| 15:21 jwagner nengard, I did check the manual site. It just didn't tell me anything other than the definitions in the sysprefs :-( 15:21 nengard chris_n do your catalogers have any kind of documentation they have written for each other? something I cna use to base my manual docs on? 15:21 nengard jwagner - I know - I was being sarcastic - I didn't understand them at all so I couldn't explain them any better 15:21 chris_n nengard: nothing written 15:22 nengard chris_n -- think they might want to write something? 15:22 chris_n nengard: I'll try to scare something up 15:22 nengard thanks!!! 15:22 * chris_n likes to keep his catalogers very well fed and happy 15:23 owen nengard: I'm working on some interface tweaks for the new labels, so hold off on your screenshots 15:23 nengard owen - no worries - I'm waiting for help with text before I can do screenshots 15:24 chris_n owen: I wonder if you can enable debug and see any additional info in your logs? 15:24 * chris_n does not remember how to do that from the cgi var side 15:24 chris_n something like ?debug=1 maybe 15:26 owen You mean DebugLevel in system prefs? That's set to 2, hence the output of the error I guess 15:26 chris_n owen: you might also try adding 'next if !$item; after line 126 in label-item-search.pl (the label rewrite version) 15:28 chris_n if my very long guess is correct, there may be a bib w/no items or at least a bug in GetItemInfosOf causing an undef item 15:28 * chris_n finds remote debugging via irc difficult ;-) 15:31 slef nengard: the other way to find what something does is to search the source code for that syspref being used and generally boggle at the source until it makes sense. 15:31 chris_n boggle++ 15:31 chris_n it often does the trick 15:33 chris_n owen: I have to go work under another hat for a while; I'll look at this again later this afternoon EDT 15:33 owen Thanks for your help as always 15:35 nengard slef sorry was on the phone - and I'm still learning Perl - so boggling might take a year :) 15:35 nengard hehe 15:38 slef @karma boggle 15:38 munin` slef: Karma for "boggle" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 15:38 owen @karma scrabble 15:38 munin` owen: scrabble has neutral karma. 15:44 kmkale byeall GN 15:54 jwagner Re: <slef> nengard: the other way to find what something does is to search the source code for that syspref being used and generally boggle at the source until it makes sense. -- I've grepped for both those sysprefs in C4 and under kohaclone/circ and kohaclone/reserve and I'm not finding them anywhere. Where else might they be used? 16:02 owen jwagner: My search turns up references to RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight in misc/cronjobs/holds/build_holds_queue.pl 16:03 jwagner owen, thanks -- didn't think to look there. 16:09 kf owen: can you recommend a good introduction to jquery? I think I need to hide some things from display in various places. 16:10 owen You could try this: http://docs.jquery.com/Tutorials:Getting_Started_with_jQuery 16:11 kf owen: thx! :) 16:14 jwagner Back on the two holds queue sysprefs. The build_holds_queue.pl script references them as "Query system preferences to get ordered list of branches to use to fill hold requests." What I _think_ the code is doing is this: 16:14 jwagner If there is a list of branchcodes in StaticHoldsQueueWeight, it uses those as the branches to pull from. 16:15 jwagner If there isn't a list, it pulls from all branches. 16:15 jwagner If RandomizeHoldsQueueWeight is on, it shuffles the list of branches randomly. 16:16 jwagner So neither of these sysprefs seems directly applicable to my site's request: What this site wants is to make sure "next available" hold is truly the next available, regardless of the patron or item branch -- anywhere in the system. 16:16 jwagner Am I reading that right? 16:20 CGI940 hey i need help with koha 16:20 CGI940 I am currently running Koha 3.0.1. I would like to edit or configure the catalog search bar section on top of the catalogs when a search is made. It is the area that is above all the books that are listed when a search is made. By edit, I mean changing the interface and the way it appears to the general public. I was told that I need to use a css style script to do this or some css style template of some sort. I am really unsure a 16:21 owen CGI940: What are you trying to do? 16:23 CGI940 I would like to change the way the entire page looks 16:23 CGI940 when a user makes a search for a book 16:24 CGI940 sorry if im being too vague, im really new to koha 16:24 kf jwagner: perhaps talk to wizzyrea about this, I think there was a discussion about this on irc some time ago 16:24 CGI940 ok thank you 16:25 owen CGI940: In order for us to be able to help you, we'll have to hear specifics 16:26 owen If you'd like an introduction to the kinds of changes you can make you can check out my Koha Blog: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ 16:27 CGI940 ok 16:45 CGI940 hey i have another question 16:45 CGI940 do you know where I can access the koha template systems 16:46 owen Look for intranet-tmpl/prog/en and opac-tmpl/prog/en 16:46 kf time to leave - bye everybody 16:46 owen But I don't recommend making changes to your templates. You'll run into problems when you try to upgrade 16:47 CGI940 what kind of prolems? 16:47 owen If you make a change to your template, then upgrade Koha, the changes you made to your template will be overwritten. You'll have to keep track of each change and copy them over after your upgrade 16:48 owen That can get very tedious if you're talking about too many changes 16:48 CGI940 oh 16:49 CGI940 i see i ee 16:50 slef we need a some sort of template-by-version browsing website 16:50 slef do we have one? 16:50 nengard better yet, we need a templating system like wordpress in koha :) 16:51 owen Will template toolkit help that somehow? 16:51 * owen doesn't know anything about it 16:52 CGI940 you said look for intranet-tmpl/prog/en and opac-tmpl/prog/en, where can I find that? 16:53 owen CGI940: Do you know where Koha is installed? 16:53 CGI940 I'm not sure. 16:54 CGI940 I have acess to koha staff through the koha website 16:55 owen CGI940: Sounds like you need to get with the person who installed Koha for you. 16:55 CGI940 ok 16:59 CGI940 Actually is it necessary to have access to koha installation in order to acess the templates? I just found out that we do not have access to where it was installed but can only access it through the web. 17:02 rhcl_away @seen wizzyrea 17:02 munin` rhcl_away: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> PH LOL 17:03 rhcl_away Hey Liz...our library is looking for a library running Koha to visit. 17:22 mu3lla79 هلاااااااااااا 17:23 mu3lla79 عربييييييييييي 17:54 jdavidb howdy, cait_laptop. :) 17:55 cait_laptop howdy jdavidb 17:55 cait_laptop :) 17:55 jdavidb :) How are things in your corner of the world? 17:56 cait_laptop ok, I think 17:57 cait_laptop and in yours? :) 17:57 jdavidb Pretty good. Ready for the mid-afternoon nap, but don't get one. 17:58 cait_laptop dinner time here :) 18:00 jdavidb you're...UTC+2? +3? 18:01 chris_n back 18:01 cait_laptop not sure... have to google that 18:01 cait_laptop ;) 18:12 cait_laptop UTC+2 or UTC+1 depending on summer or winter time :) 18:14 jdavidb Ah. We're UTC-4 or -5, again, depending. 18:15 cait_laptop its 8:15 now :) 18:17 Ropuch Same here [; 18:21 chris morning 18:22 cait_laptop good morning chris 18:23 jdavidb Hi, chris! :D 18:48 jdavidb @quote random 18:48 munin` jdavidb: Quote #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" (added by jdavidb at 09:40 PM, July 17, 2009) 18:48 chris heh 18:49 * jdavidb scratches his head in confusion. 18:51 jdavidb Here's a puzzler...installed lenny on a brand-new-shiny box. Installed all of Koha's dependencies, and rebooted. System failed to come up. Started over, did it again...and this time, it rebooted slick as a pickpocket. 18:51 * jdavidb calls out the pixie exterminators. 18:55 chris id be running memtest on thtat 18:55 chris_n chris: did you run into any problems with the labels item search when testing the labels re-write? 18:55 chris not that i remember chris_n 18:55 chris_n owen seems to have a problem which I cannot duplicate 18:55 chris jdavidb: in fact i run memtest for at least 24 hours on any new machine 18:55 chris_n I suspect corrupt data 18:56 chris chris_n: sounds highly plausible 18:56 jdavidb good idea, chris; I think I'll do that for a while..overnight, at least. 18:57 chris_n jdavidb: run this: http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/ in "torture" mode on any new machine for 24hours 18:57 chris_n that will scare the bugs out where you can see them ;-) 18:58 jdavidb hee...yeah, it would. 19:24 ccurry Hello, all. Anyone know if it's possible to hide Shelving Location from the OPAC (952$c); it would also (of course) need to be hidden from the public MARC display. We're planning to use Koha for a closed stacks library and we don't want to publish location information for security reasons. 19:24 ccurry ?* 19:25 chris the public marc display you can hide easily by changing the framework 19:26 chris to hide it in the non-marc probably needs a template edit 19:27 owen ccurry: Shelving location isn't explicitly labelled in the normal display, I don't think 19:27 mason have people read this one yet? 19:27 mason http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2009/09/why-public-libraries-are-just-a-form-of-theft/ 19:27 chris yeah, the guys a moron 19:27 mason http://creativefreedom.org.nz/story.html?id=414 19:27 owen We don't populate shelving location at my library 19:28 ccurry ok. thanks. I'll have a look at the templates. I was hoping this had come up before and there was a syspref. 19:30 owen Geez, I was hoping that article wasn't as simplistic as the URL suggested 19:31 chris it is, he's just mad no one buys his shitty books 19:31 chris "dude its not cos they get it from the library, its cos you suck" 19:32 * jdavidb laughs. 19:32 owen ccurry: Are you talking about the column in the holdings table labelled "Location" ? 19:32 owen http://acpl.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=214415 19:33 mason author FAIL 19:33 ccurry owen:nope: the column in the holdings table labelled "Shelving Location" (952$c) 19:33 owen I don't see that on our system 19:34 cait_laptop $c is LOC 19:35 ccurry owen: It only shows up in the holdings table display if there's data there. 19:37 owen ccurry: I see, you want to use the field for internal purposes but not the public. Gotcha. 19:39 ccurry owen: you got it. I assume there isn't a better field for this data. 19:40 jwagner ccurry, I'd be interested in a syspref to turn off display of shelving location in the OPAC myself. Also one to turn off display of the library name if it's a single library site.... 19:40 ccurry jwagner: agreed. If I knew how to build one, I'd do so. I'm just starting to get my feet wet. 19:40 cait_laptop jwagner: there is one for the last 19:40 owen jwagner: Would a check for single branch mode be appropriate for the single library issue? 19:41 cait_laptop singlebranchmode 19:41 owen ...and I wonder if there are other issues for closed-stacks libraries that could be affected by a "ClosedStacks" preference. Hit them all at once. 19:41 cait_laptop library is not shown in opac when singlebranchmode is on, but location still shows 19:41 ccurry cait_laptop: thanks for that 19:42 cait_laptop ccurry: you are welcome 19:42 jwagner owen, yes, a check for singlebranchmode would work there. 19:43 cait_laptop owen: I think we would need a better request management for closed stacks 19:43 owen Hmf. Ask LibLime about that :( 19:43 cait_laptop yes... :( 19:44 cait_laptop for example allowonshelfholds can only be set globally not for libraries 19:44 cait_laptop i have this problem with our koha library - they have closed stacks and free access areas 19:47 cait_laptop and bigger academic libraries with closed stacks want the requests printed on different pinters according to call number 19:50 cait_laptop ok... sorry :) 20:00 owen Hi pianohacker 20:00 pianohacker hey owen 20:02 owen But actually, goodbye. Quitting time. :) 20:02 pianohacker heh 20:02 pianohacker see ya 20:02 pianohacker hello, anybody else :) 20:03 cait_laptop hi pianohacker 20:03 pianohacker hi cait 20:04 pianohacker what are you up to? 20:05 ccurry So, I found the template and the code to remove the shelving location information from the holdings table (opac-detail.tmpl line 319 on my instance 3.0.2). Removing "<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="location_description" -->" worked like a charm. Anybody know how I can make this display only when a user with a particular patron type [Staff] is logged in? Feel free to just direct me to the appropriate... 20:05 ccurry ...docs. Didn't find, but I could have missed it. 20:08 cait_laptop fighting with perl and koha code... I dont know enough perl :( 20:08 pianohacker Its an ugly language 20:10 pianohacker ccurry: hmm. why would you want staff users to log in to the opac? 20:11 ccurry pianohacker: good point...didn't think that one through. 20:30 chris this coffee is yuck 20:31 pianohacker well, it's coffee; its starting out at a disadvantage 20:31 chris pshaw 20:33 chris_n yuck-coffee-- 20:34 pianohacker coffee-- 20:34 chris_n awww.... coffee++ 20:34 pianohacker @karma coffee 20:34 munin` pianohacker: Karma for "coffee" has been increased 4 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 3. 20:34 cait_laptop :) 20:34 pianohacker O_o 20:34 chris_n Costa Rico Peaberry++ 20:34 chris_n Rica even 20:34 pianohacker @karma Peaberry 20:34 munin` pianohacker: Karma for "Peaberry" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 20:35 pianohacker :) 20:35 chris_n Jamaican-Blue-Mountain++ 20:35 chris_n heh 20:35 chris anything_but_instant++ 20:35 chris_n chris you need a French press to make coffee right ;-) 20:36 chris_n http://www.sweetmarias.com 20:36 wizzyrea rhcl: you are always welcome @ nekls 20:37 rhcl_away Hey, She Speaks! 20:37 chris chris_n: i have 2, ,.. at work we have espresso machines 20:37 chris but i was just rushing ;) 20:37 pianohacker hi, wizzyrea, rhcl 20:37 rhcl Hi hi 20:37 chris chris_n: you can ask nahuel about our adventures to find good coffee in texas :) 20:37 nengard this is not a discussion for the one who doesn't like coffee .... 20:38 chris_n hi wizzyrea && rhcl 20:38 pianohacker nengard++ 20:38 chris_n chris: lol 20:38 rhcl wizzy: do any of your libraries have a bookmobile? 20:38 nengard in fact i think i'm going to make me some tea!! 20:38 chris_n do they serve it to you in the pot down there? 20:38 wizzyrea rhcl: nopers 20:38 * chris_n tries to imagine a Texas coffee cup 20:38 chris chris_n: hotel coffee came in those thermos thingys 20:39 chris_n nengard: tea++ 20:39 rhcl http://www.texasterritories.com/images/products/souvenirs/dontmesstxmug.jpg 20:39 chris_n hotel-coffee-- 20:39 cait_laptop tea++ 20:39 chris_n rhcl: is that a 10 gallon cup? 20:40 pianohacker * image not to scale 20:40 rhcl Donno 20:40 chris_n lemon grass tea from Singapore is very good 20:40 chris_n pianohacker: lol 20:41 rhcl Does Koha have a location code for "bookmobile"? 20:41 chris_n chris: last year I picked up a $300 Kitchen Aid burr mill for $7.00 at a thrift store.... nearly new 20:42 richard hi 20:42 pianohacker hello richard 20:42 chris_n t'was missing the glass carafe which I ordered for $14 20:42 * chris_n greets richard 20:42 rhcl Also, I had this really great idea with Swine Flu everywhere and all, that book publishers should make books out of plastic, so that they could be run through a dishwasher (of course, it would be called a bookwasher) when they circulate back in. 20:42 richard hiyas 20:42 rhcl Is there a Koha location code for Bookwasher - In Transit 20:43 chris_n hehe 20:43 pianohacker they need that for the children's board books anyway 20:43 chris chris_n: good deal 20:43 pianohacker those things get nasty 20:45 wajasu is anyone here familiar with cataloguing (i.e. additem.pl) and how the database stores imported marc records? 20:46 wajasu it seems like during the staged import, it is converted to an XML format. 20:48 chris the marc is stored in biblioitems.marc and biblioitems.marcxml 20:48 chris some is stored in the items table too 20:50 * chris_n heads out, bbiab 20:52 wajasu i am assuming that when staged marc data is imported, the additem.pl code is used and the preference itemcallnumber is parsed to discern which field to grab the call number from. 20:52 pianohacker hmm. not sure if that code is activated on import 20:55 wajasu So it during import the item call number might not be populated, but maybe only shown from the marc record data? I'll have to really trace this then, uh. 20:56 pianohacker yes 20:56 chris it will be populated if its in the 952 field 20:56 chris what i would do is use marc edit 20:57 chris to put the 'right' callnumber in the 952$p (i think its p would need to check) 20:57 chris then when you import itemcallnumber will get that 20:57 wajasu my user has much of his library in marc edit format, and he imports. 20:58 wajasu he put the 090b as well as the 050 codes in the catalgoing preferences as the field comments maybe misled him to think he could put multiple entries. 20:58 chris yep, so just put the right data in 952 20:58 chris thats what goes in itemcallnumber 20:59 chris those too are biblio level callnumbers 20:59 chris too=two 20:59 chris @marc 952 20:59 munin` chris: unknown tag 952 20:59 chris o it is 20:59 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2008-August/015051.html 21:00 wajasu he wants to make it so he can list '090b 050 ...' in the itemcallnumber preference field so when he imports, it copies the 090 one if its there, then the 050 one if 090 was empty, etc. 21:01 chris yeah, you are gonna have to do some custom work if you want to make that happen 21:01 chris and even then, it wont go into itemcallnumber 21:01 chris as that is linked to 952$O 21:01 chris 952$o even 21:02 chris so you are better off making marcedit copy the right value to 952$o 21:06 wajasu ok i'll look into trying to does this processing outside of koha before import/staging. 21:06 wajasu s/does/do/ 21:06 wizzyrea Ohh, talk of the aporkalypse!@ 21:07 wizzyrea (swine flu) 21:07 pianohacker ehhhh 21:08 cait_laptop good night everybody :) 21:12 chris nengard: you about? 21:13 rhcl Liz, we really would like to visit one of the KS libraries to check out Koha. What do we need to do? 21:15 wajasu so i should be able to write a macro with marcedit to do the logic of looking at the 090 then 050 and copying that into 952's structure. 21:15 wizzyrea ummmm.... Oct 23 we are having a Kegger, and atchison is rignt near you rigbht? 21:15 wizzyrea erg typing 21:15 wizzyrea atchison is a koha library 21:15 chris wajasu: i *think* so 21:16 wizzyrea alert, rhcl :) 21:18 rhcl OK, should we contact them directly? 21:19 rhcl alert???? Should we ask for Lawrence or Topeka instead???? :) 21:19 wizzyrea Sure, they love visitors 21:19 wizzyrea the director is Diana Weaver, dweaver@atchisonlibrary.org 21:19 wizzyrea nah, neither of them are koha 21:19 rhcl What is Marysville running, do you happen to know? 21:20 wizzyrea mmm I don't know 21:20 chris ohh is that where diana is now 21:20 wizzyrea yessir :) 21:20 wizzyrea she graduated from NEKLS and is now a director :) 21:20 chris :) 21:20 wizzyrea a very good one, at that 21:30 rhcl wizzyrea: Passed data for visit to my director--thanks for the info. 21:31 chris anyone going to access this year? 21:32 wizzyrea sure thing :) 21:33 wajasu chris: thx, i'm going to look into use a XSLT stylesheet that marcedit seems to support and let the cataloger use that. 21:58 nengard chris i'm about now - sorry was eating dinner 22:01 chris ok, time to head into work 22:08 jhaig I am getting 9 failures when running "make test" on koha. The first sign of a failure is "t/Circulation_barcodedecode....DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /root/koha-3.00.02/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 485." The database 'koha' is empty. Should it be populated by the time I get to 'make test'? 22:09 jhaig I haven't seen anything in INSTALL.debian-lenny that talks about populating the database. 22:16 mdhafen Hello everyone 22:17 * mdhafen is looking for help 22:18 jhaig I recommend you just ask a question and wait. It is a bit quiet at the moment, and I'm afraid I will probably not be of much help myself. 22:19 mdhafen will do. Thanks 22:20 mdhafen So, I have in a day 6 sessions timeout that shouldn't have. I added warn statements so I see when the session time is updated and when a session is timeout'd. The time ranges from a few seconds to 1 hour 43 minutes. The timeout is supposed to be 2 hours. Would mod_perl2 cause that? 22:23 mdhafen And this is after I added a $session->flush() 22:26 pianohacker mdhafen: koha is not compatible with mod_perl2 22:26 mdhafen So I've heard 22:27 pianohacker the only officially supported method of invocation is through cgi 22:27 mdhafen The apache module for mod_perl loads, but I don't think it's configured anywhere. Is it still active in that state? 22:28 pianohacker ahh, okay. I wouldn't think that would cause your problem 22:29 mdhafen That's what I'm hoping. 22:29 pianohacker sorry, was reciting the litany :) 22:29 mdhafen Still don't know why the session's aren't getting updated properly though. 22:31 pianohacker what session storage method are you using? 22:31 mdhafen mysql 22:33 pianohacker mdhafen: that is the normal one, but you might try temp to see if that's the cause of your problem 22:33 mdhafen that's a good idea. 22:35 mdhafen Thanks. I'll check back tomorrow if that doesn't fix it. 22:35 pianohacker jhaig: not too familiar with the database-dependent tests, so won't be able to help you, but note that they're by no means required for installation 22:35 pianohacker mdhafen: k, good luck 22:36 chris jhaig: yeah, the web based installer does that ... did you choose to run the database_dependant tests? 22:36 jhaig pianohacker: Thanks. I eventually found a post in a mailing list saying that some of the tests were new, and that one appears to try to test the database before it has been set up. 22:36 jhaig chris: I chose the default, which was no 22:36 chris i think you can safely ignore that fail, and proceed on and run the web based installer (That will create your db) 22:37 jhaig That's the stage I'm at now, and I've got "The requested URL / was not found on this server." from the web server :-( 22:38 pianohacker hmm. sounds like an apache config problem 22:39 jhaig Yes. It had set up the virtual hosts with localhost ip addresses, which didn't help when I've trying to view it from a remote machine. 22:39 pianohacker right 22:42 pianohacker time to knock off for evening, bye all 22:51 chris hmmmm 22:51 chris http://www.galecia.com/imls-awards-1-mil-for-open-source/ 22:54 chris im kinda ambivalent about that 22:58 chris ohh now im not 22:58 chris http://twitter.com/LBA/status/4353773733 22:58 richard wholly molly 23:00 pie sweet :) 23:46 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2902434/John-Key-on-David-Lettermans-Late-Show/ 23:48 * richard does anticipatory cringeing 23:48 chris yeah, its fairly cringeworthy