Time Nick Message 01:11 * chris_n^2 goes crosseyed 01:11 chris_n^2 @define crazy 01:11 chris heh 01:11 munin` chris_n^2: I suck 01:18 * chris_n^2 quits (for the evening that is...) 8-P 01:22 chris_n2-away for the record: there is something addictive about coding for Koha :-) 01:22 chris hehe 01:22 chris tell me about it 04:13 Amit hi chris, richard, brendan 04:13 chris hi Amit 04:14 richard amit, hi 04:25 Jo Hi all 04:26 chris hiya Jo :) 04:28 Amit hi jo 04:32 Jo hey AMit 04:33 Jo I never used to even hear the word 'cricket' but since watching Amit and Chris talk Cricket on here I heard this morning that NZ won a cricket game - and I thought of you Amit! 04:33 chris hehe 04:33 Jo obviously being absobing something subliminally :) 04:33 Amit yes NZ win warmup match by 103 runs 04:33 Jo only a warm up ... so it doesn't count? 04:34 Amit Chris, Jo: Big match is coming on 26 sep india vs pakistan 04:34 Amit it is not count Jo it is only warm up match 04:37 Jo oh well - at least we won sopmething 04:40 Amit Jo: heee 04:41 richard chris: whereabouts is yr hq? 04:42 chris 150 Willis St 04:42 richard thanks 05:05 * richard heads south 05:05 richard cyas 06:56 chris evening 06:58 Ropuch Morning 07:01 hdl_laptop hi chris 07:35 chris hi Kivutar and paul_p 07:39 Kivutar hi chris and all 07:50 |Lupin| good morning, everybody 07:52 chris hi |Lupin| 07:52 |Lupin| good evening chris 07:54 Amit hi lupin, nicomo, hdl 07:55 paul_p hello chris & everybody 07:55 paul_p chris++ for blog "Reflections on a fork" 07:58 chris thanks 08:01 magnusenger hi all! Very good blog post chris! 08:02 paul_p hi magnusenger 08:02 magnusenger hi paul_p 08:12 Willem Hi, can anyone tell me wbout the difference between a normal item type that can be created by the user and shows in the staff pages, and the ones used in the OPAC serach page? The latter seems to depend on 000 and 008 fields and it would be nice to see the same as the normal set of itemtypes. 08:31 chris hmm i didn't understand that question at all 08:33 Ropuch Neither did I 09:09 chris hi nahuel 09:10 nahuel hi chris ! 09:10 nahuel what'su p ? 09:10 |Lupin| hello nahuel 09:10 chris not much, whats up with you? 09:10 nahuel hi |Lupin| 09:10 nahuel I'm trying to have my car licence 09:11 nahuel hehe 09:13 |Lupin| nahuel: good luck :) 09:15 nahuel hehe thx 09:15 nahuel I'm at the quasi-end 09:37 Amit hi nahuel 09:37 nahuel hi Amit 09:38 Amit i m going to home not feeling well bye all 09:38 nahuel ++ 09:38 nahuel feel well :) 09:38 chris feel better soon 09:39 Amit some back problem 12:04 |Lupin| hi jane 12:06 |Lupin| I'm wondering what to use in a script and associate template to generate a series of <option> tags for one set au authorised values 12:06 |Lupin| can someone help, pls ? 12:12 nicomo_laptop magnusenger: around? 12:21 |Lupin| hi Galen 12:21 gmcharlt hi |Lupin| 12:22 magnusenger nicomo_laptop: am now! 12:39 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 12:39 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop 12:39 gmcharlt how are you doing today? 12:43 * |Lupin| is doing well, thanks. HOw about you gmcharlt ? 12:47 |Lupin| hi ebegin 12:47 |Lupin| nice to see you again 12:47 ebegin Hey! Back from vacation :) 12:50 |Lupin| ebegin: great. How was it ? 12:50 ebegin Nice but as any vacation, too short 12:53 chris_n2 g'morning koha 12:53 |Lupin| yeah... 12:54 ebegin monging chris_n2 12:59 |Lupin| gmcharlt: round ? 12:59 gmcharlt no, I think I'm more angular 12:59 gmcharlt what's up/ 13:00 |Lupin| gmcharlt: I'm wondering how to generate a form that let's one choose a value from an authorised value set ? 13:00 |Lupin| gmcharlt: both in scripts and templates... I guess it's rather simple ? 13:01 gmcharlt yes - GetBranchesLoop would be an example of how to construct it 13:01 gmcharlt as well as the classification source and item type dropdowns in the item editor 13:02 |Lupin| gmcharlt: thanks a lot ! 13:02 |Lupin| gmcharlt: is it as simple to determine user ategory ? 13:02 * jdavidb is round. gmcharlt is all sharp corners, by comparison. 13:03 gmcharlt |Lupin|: yes 13:03 slef hi all. Is there an obvious reason not to default_escape => "HTML" in C4::Output's calls to HTML::Template::Pro->new()? 13:05 gmcharlt slef: no, though there are some places in the templates that would have to override that default 13:05 slef chris_n2: thanks for the notice. Let me know if we can help test. 13:05 slef gmcharlt: ESCAPE="0" on some of the includes right? 13:05 gmcharlt right 13:05 slef anywhere else? 13:06 gmcharlt basically anything where HTML is still being constructed inside code 13:06 gmcharlt some of the cataloging and item editor code, f'rinstance 13:10 slef most of the URLs already have ESCAPE="URL" on them 13:10 slef this seems like it would massive reduce XSS attack opportunities 13:10 slef which I've just had a heavy report about 13:10 slef s/massive/&ly 13:10 slef so shall we do it only on opac for 3.2? 13:10 slef (and 3.0 I hope) 13:11 gmcharlt slef: do a patch and see how much tweaking of escapes at the template level have to be done 13:12 gmcharlt I'm generally agreeable to trying it for 3.2 13:12 slef Bug 3652 has been added to the database 13:12 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P5, ---, mjr@ttllp.co.uk, NEW, XSS vulnerabilities 13:13 chris_n2 tnx slef, I'll keep you posted and let you know as soon as things assume a semi-functional state 13:14 chris_n2 of course all my work is available daily 0600 GMT in my public repo 13:14 chris_n2 chris++ ## reflections on a fork 13:16 slef gmcharlt: seems to me that we'll need to tweak something at the template level anyway... I think default_escape = "HTML" seems more failsafe than not, though. 13:16 gmcharlt slef: indeed 13:44 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: I think I have not sent the Auth_with_ldap fixed as I should have. do you confirm ? 13:44 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: right, I don't believe I've received the latest version 13:45 hdl_laptop Will send that right away 13:47 hdl_laptop sent 14:22 Willem Hi all, can anyone explain to me the difference between the filetypes in the staff window and the ones in OPAC search results? The latter seem to depend on 000 and 008 fields. It would be nice to see the normal item type. 14:22 Willem I asked this earlier today but no response 14:23 jdavidb Willem: OPAC search results (and staff hitlists) are working off of the MARC record, and don't--at that point--have the item types from the item record. 14:24 Willem But the item type in the MARC record (942 or so I seem to remember) shows nicely to staff members but not to OPAC. There you get things depending on 000 and 008 digits. 14:25 jdavidb At the detail level, yes. But by then, it's accessed the item record. 14:25 jdavidb In the OPAC, it doesn't access the item records for that until the details screen. Zebra doesn't have that, so it can't give it in search. 14:26 jdavidb gmcharlt, feel free to pounce if I'm wrong on this; it's all still very much black magic to me. 14:28 Willem But the OPAC search produces several details about a biblio. Can't it look for the item type in 942 and produce the correct icon? 14:28 magnusenger i think you are able to *display* pretty much what you want in the OPAC result lists by going the XSLT route 14:29 jdavidb How much do you want to slow it down? You can do some of that with XSLT, though how it would handle if you had multiple items is pretty murky to me. 14:29 owen Willem: The search results screen assumes your item types and collection codes are being set at the item level 14:29 magnusenger the default XSLTs use 000 and 008, but you could rewrite them to use 942 14:30 jdavidb The nice thing about 000/008 is that it only appears once. You can have zero or more 942s, which might cause some confusion. Have to hack around that some, I'd think. 14:30 magnusenger if you know all items have the same values you could just use the first one... 14:31 magnusenger if there are several items, that is 14:31 jdavidb No way to guarantee that. 14:31 magnusenger no, but it could be a policy, or something 14:32 * jdavidb has met way too many catalogers who do not think that house policies apply to them. 14:33 jdavidb Not knocking policies, per se, but the only person I'm going to assume will follow my rules, is me. 14:34 Willem SorryMy immediate problem is that we have an item type called "Article", which is a bunch of paper, ofthen just A4 prints in a sleeve. When an OPAC search says "Book" that's very confusing. We've created a nice item type with icon, but the OPAC ignores it. Can I create my own things for 000 / 008? 14:35 owen Willem: the "book" icon is based on MARC's default material types 14:35 owen So it is not connected to item types or collection codes 14:35 Willem And can I create more material types than the ones you can choose in 000/008? 14:36 owen Technically no, there is a specific set of options defined by the MARC standard 14:37 magnusenger come to think of it, i don't think 942 is repeatable, the way 952 is... 14:39 Willem So could I change the OPAC search template to display something based on the 942 field (if available)? I guess there is a routine in the Biblio module that reads 942? 14:41 jdavidb magnusenger: Sure enough, it's not. Could use that, then. 14:41 magnusenger i think you could use 000/008 to say that something is a printed monograph, then use 942c to say that is an article, and then use XSLT to display the icon you want 14:41 magnusenger and set up XSLT to override the default "book" icon, if 942c says it's an article 14:44 Willem I'm afraid I have no idea (yet) what XSLT is about. Just discovered perl and managed to change items with one of those modules. What would be my entry point to try and work with XSLT? 14:44 magnusenger Willem: Good question! ;-) 14:46 magnusenger Willem: Have a look at the XSLT files and try to understand what is happening in there 14:54 Willem Great, I've already found a place where 008 23 is checked and an icon is chosen. I'll see what I can fiddle here. 14:55 Willem Thanks a lot. 14:55 magnusenger Willem: off the top of my head, i think the XSLT could look something like the highlighted section in the middle here: http://koha.pastebin.com/m3ffca960 i have *not* tested this, though! 15:02 |Lupin| end of working day here 15:02 |Lupin| bye all ! 15:04 Willem magnusenger: Wow, that's big help. I'll see how I can fit this in. Thanks very much. 15:05 magnusenger Willem: you're welcome! Off to make dinner , now... 15:28 * chris_n2 chuckles at jdavidb 's rules enforcement philosophy ;-) 15:28 jdavidb chris_n: If you can't make the software enforce it, then it's not a rule; it's a suggestion. 15:29 jdavidb ...and some cataloger who started back about the time Gutenberg was working will decide it doesn't apply to them, and ignore it. 15:29 chris_n lol 15:29 * jdavidb is a cynical old coot sometimes. 15:35 magnusenger jdavidb: probably not a bad idea! ;-) 15:37 jdavidb magnusenger: Having worked in library IT for 18 years now, my trust mechanism is completely broken. "Policies" are for the naive, who think that all their users are really bright, group-minded people who never make mistakes. 15:38 jdavidb The reality, sadly, is often very different. 15:43 wizzyrea ok, maybe something like www.tinychat.com would help with the interactivity of our #koha meetings 15:44 wizzyrea webcams + chat 15:53 jdavidb wizzyrea++ 15:55 wizzyrea check out www.tinychat.com/nekls 15:57 chris_n wizzyrea: how was the ride? 15:58 wizzyrea faboo! 15:58 wizzyrea my pace car wouldn't let me get over 130MPH, but it was still flippin fantabulous 15:59 chris_n neat-o 16:00 slef I don't want to think about how much my legs would hurt pedalling up to 130mph 16:01 gmcharlt slef++ 16:03 wizzyrea someone told me that I "didn't get the car out of 2nd gear" which is not true!! I was in 4th (where I was supposed to be)! 16:03 wizzyrea but yea, it was great 16:04 jdavidb Any 16:04 wizzyrea http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=659362&l=9a3d0e4f1a&id=1078323327 16:04 Ropuch If I want to translate MARC fields&subfields do i need to do this via staff interface? 16:04 * chris_n feels like he is pedaling at 130MHP at times 16:05 Ropuch Is there something like .po file for this? 16:06 gmcharlt Ropuch: no PO file, but it may be easier to start from the SQL scripts that load the MARC frameworks 16:18 magnusenger wizzyrea et al: could http://www.dimdim.com/ be an option too? 16:21 wizzyrea ohhh true! 16:21 wizzyrea I just saw the comment that IRC meetings weren't optimal for less geeky librarians 16:21 wizzyrea too much to process I guess 16:21 wizzyrea wasn't really looking for a solution to that, stumbled across tinychat 16:21 wizzyrea but dimdim looks good too 16:23 wizzyrea only bad thing about that is you have to have an account 16:23 wizzyrea tinychat is literally click and you're in 16:24 wizzyrea of course, slef probably wouldn't like either because they're not open :( and less than accessible 16:24 slef I thought dimdim was, but maybe I misremember 16:25 slef open... not sure about accessibility 16:25 slef still not tried that from the machine with gnash installed 16:27 wizzyrea it would be helpful, if you have a minute, to determine which is better. I think some audio/video would be helpful for less geeky librarians 16:29 slef I have too few minutes at the moment :-( 16:31 * jdavidb is having way more fun than the law allows, watching wizzyrea's antics on tinychat. 16:36 wizzyrea and sharon! 16:36 wizzyrea it's not just mee 16:37 wizzyrea slef: understood 16:37 wizzyrea (if i'm going to propose one, I'd rather propose the better solution) 16:38 slef no FOSS-based machines there? 16:42 wizzyrea yep, we do have some... what would you want me to check 16:42 wizzyrea (just not sure what your criteria are) 16:54 jhaig I have downloaded the vmware image but I do not know what the password is. Where can I find it? Thanks 16:55 jhaig I got the unconfigured official release from http://sourceforge.net/projects/koha-tools/files/Koha Virtual Appliance/ 17:01 slef wizzyrea: try accessing from a machine which has only free software installed, like epiphany with gnash or some such 17:01 jhaig Found it (eventually) in the "New Koha Virtual Appliances Available" thread on the mailing list. 17:01 slef jhaig: I think searching the email list 17:01 slef heh 17:01 wizzyrea slef: okies, will do that :) 17:02 slef wizzyrea: thanks 17:02 jhaig Next step - find out how to configure it. Perhaps I should have gone with the configured version as a first attempt. :-/ 17:06 jhaig Is there any documentation for the vmware image? I have found the main documentation, but it doesn't say what to do to get past the 'System maintenance ...", which is the only thing I can get to. I am guessing that if I install manually (ie, not use the vmware image) I would get automatically taken to the configuration when I first visit the web page. 17:06 slef jhaig: Sorry, I think you need to ask the koha-tools developers. I'm not sure who they are. 17:08 jhaig Oh, I didn't realise it was separate from the main project. 17:10 slef well, not all developers work on all parts 17:10 slef it's its own sourceforge project... so maybe that lists particular nicknames to try? 17:11 slef kyle: are you there? 17:11 slef (just got his name off http://sourceforge.net/projects/koha-tools/ ) 17:11 slef @seen kyle 17:11 munin` slef: kyle was last seen in #koha 4 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <kyle> no problem. I'll have to roll some new ones as soon as 3.2 is out the door. 17:12 jhaig I have found that there is a version that includes a README, which probably has all the information I need. The only thing is, now have I have already downloaded one 600+Mb tarball, I don't really want to have to download another, just for the sake of a single text file. :-( 17:13 slef http://koha-tools.svn.sourceforge.net/ might have it 17:13 slef but it looks fairly unrelated and unupdated to me 17:13 jhaig http://contribs.koha.org/extension_view.php?eid=14 <= Has it - use port http://<host>:8080 17:14 slef oic - should have guessed that 17:15 jhaig Not entirely guessable. I would normally associate 8080 with a proxy server. 17:28 wizzyrea interesting, I would normally associate 3128 with a proxy server 17:28 Nate Hello everyone 17:28 wizzyrea hi Nate :) 17:29 Nate i am officially an old geezer as of yeterday 17:29 jdavidb Oh? 17:29 Nate hit the ripe age of 30 17:29 * jdavidb snorts. 17:29 Nate im already getting out of bed twice a night to pee 17:31 jdavidb um...TMI? But seriously...call back in ten years, youngster. 17:32 chris_n what very obvious thing am I missing here: 17:32 chris_n given: 17:32 chris_n my $HoH = {H1 =>{H2 =>{H3 =>{H4 => 'data'}}}}; 17:32 chris_n why does: 17:32 chris_n if ($$HoH{H1}{H2}{H3}{H4} eq 'data') {foobar}; 17:32 chris_n throw: "Not a SCALAR reference at foo line bar." 17:32 chris_n while: 17:32 chris_n warn $$HoH{H1}{H2}{H3}{H4}; 17:32 chris_n returns: "data" 17:34 jhaig wizzyrea: Both 3128 and 8080 are used for proxy servers. 17:35 * jdavidb is stumped by your problem, chris_n.. It *looks* all right.. 17:36 chris_n jdavidb: works ok as a one liner as well... 17:44 Ropuch Anybody familiar with gettext? I want to generate .po for file with "$variable=something" and want the $variable name to be extracted as comments 17:48 chris_n here the problem is in a bit of context: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/paste 18:30 chris morning 18:30 jdavidb Hi, chris! 18:30 owen Hi chris 18:30 chris_n heya chris 18:31 chris_n jdavidb: worse yet, the code that throw error in the script works fine as a one-liner :-P 18:31 * chris_n runs out of the room screaming 18:31 * jdavidb scratches his head. 18:37 chris chris_n: can you paste the whole bit 18:37 chris_n sure 18:38 chris again, including what is in the if 18:41 chris_n chris: http://koha.pastebin.com/m9cb56d5 18:41 chris_n I think that covers it 18:41 chris_n if in question is line 61 18:42 chris ta 18:43 chris so the warn just before it is fine, but the next line errors? 18:43 chris_n right 18:45 chris_n running the pertinent parts on cli seems to work fine, to boot... :-S 18:47 chris elsif ($$layout->{'images'}->{$_}->{'data_source'}->{'db'} eq 'pcards_images') { 18:47 chris that is wrong 18:48 chris_n right 18:48 chris (double deferencing) 18:48 chris_n errr... right that's wrong 18:48 chris and perl may be in fact griping about that 18:48 chris sometimes in if blocks it gets the line number wrong 18:49 chris_n ahh 18:49 chris_n lemme correct that 18:52 chris_n chris: went through and corrected all of the double deref errors and things work fine now 18:52 chris_n tnx a whole lot 18:52 chris np 18:52 chris basically its all one line as far as perl is concerned 18:52 * chris_n gets stuck in deref foo with deep hashes sometimes :-P 18:56 chris the other thing i would do, is not use the implicit variable .. simply because i hate it, but thats just a personal thing :) 18:56 chris (i hate having to scroll up to go .. "whats that again?") 19:00 * chris will bbiab 19:02 chris_n yeah, I plan on changing that in my final code... this is a hack script to test module methods, etc 19:03 chris_n I'm for maximum readability in code... less for me to remember when I have to debug some obscure issue after having forgotten why I wrote it that way to begin with ;-) 19:19 chris :) 19:20 gmcharlt "who is that idiot who wrote that code?" 19:20 gmcharlt "oops, it's me" 19:20 chris git dont-blame-me 19:20 chris only shows the lines you didnt write 19:20 chris :-) 19:30 chris_n hehe 19:35 * chris_n hates accidentally dumping jpeg data to the terminal window... 19:36 Ropuch Harmles ;> 19:39 pianohacker hello 19:41 wizzyrea are you feeling a bet wet down there in Atlanta, gmcharlt? 19:41 wizzyrea s/bet/bit 19:42 pianohacker hi wizzyrea, gmcharlt 19:42 gmcharlt wizzyrea: nope, since I'm Gainesville; however, by all accounts I should expect the Atlanta office to start floating my direction any minute now 19:42 Ropuch hello, pianohacker 19:42 gmcharlt hi pianohacker 19:43 pianohacker hi Ropuch 19:43 chris ok bus time 19:44 chris_n Ropuch: yes, but it wrecks the scroll-back buffer :-) 20:24 chris_n bbl 20:26 richard hi 20:27 pianohacker hello 20:36 chris bacl 20:37 chris back even 20:41 Ropuch [; 20:41 Ropuch chris: are you familiar with a gettext? 20:43 chris a little 20:44 Ropuch I can't figure out how to get extarcted comments in .po file 20:46 chris ahh, i have never tried im afraid 20:46 Ropuch ;> 20:47 Ropuch Another reason to live for: solve the xgettext -k mystery [; 21:30 hdl_laptop chris : I just sent a tmpl_process update on 3.2 and pushed that on 3.0.x 21:31 hdl_laptop chris : this update also takes into account xsl files 21:31 chris ohh excellent 21:31 chris i will regen the .po files for 3.0.x 21:31 hdl_laptop chris : + fixes a bug in input type=submit 21:31 chris and when its pushed on master, will do the 3.2.x ones too 21:32 chris http://translate.koha.org/projects/opac3_1/ i did the 3.2 ones over the weekend 21:32 chris kf has already finished german !!! so speedy 21:32 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: I know I should have waited for you to sign it and test that. 21:32 hdl_laptop It was in biblibre-integration 21:35 chris hmmm 21:35 chris lots of errors 21:35 chris tmpl_process3.pl: ERROR: Text extraction failed: ./xgettext.pl: Inappropriate ioctl for device 21:35 chris tmpl_process3.pl: ERROR: Will not run msgmerge 21:36 chris have you seen them before? 21:36 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: now I know what to test next :) 21:37 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: if you are interested, biblibre-newacq and biblibre-integration are joined on CodeRunBase branch 21:37 gmcharlt cool 21:37 hdl_laptop But still some work in progess on that. 21:37 gmcharlt ETA on your end? 21:37 hdl_laptop And then rebase on master 21:38 hdl_laptop I thought it would be published last week. 21:38 hdl_laptop But I think we will need some more work on that. 21:38 gmcharlt k 21:38 gmcharlt bbiab 21:39 chris hdl_laptop: i cant get it to work 21:39 chris ./tmpl_process3.pl update -i ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/ -s po/fr-FR-i-opac-t-prog-v-3000000.po -r 21:39 chris tmpl_process3.pl: ERROR: Text extraction failed: ./xgettext.pl: Inappropriate ioctl for device 21:39 chris tmpl_process3.pl: ERROR: Will not run msgmerge 21:39 chris Update FAILED. 21:40 hdl_laptop shoot. 21:40 hdl_laptop I wanted to include also js. 21:40 hdl_laptop And failed 21:40 hdl_laptop I can get that bug fixed 21:40 chris yep its trying to jquery.js just before that error 21:41 hdl_laptop In tmpl_process3.pl you have |js| 21:41 hdl_laptop I think it is the culprit 21:41 chris lemme take that out 21:42 chris yes, that was it 21:42 hdl_laptop You can remove |def too. 21:43 chris cool, ill let you patch it and push 21:43 chris and then ill regen the .po files tonight 21:43 hdl_laptop Since it was because In a moment of enthousiasm, I thought columns.def would become translatable 21:44 hdl_laptop And unfortunately, tmpl_process is only meant for ..... tmpl files or at least xhtml files 21:44 chris *nod* 21:44 chris we can write a new one for .def and .js 21:44 chris and then update.pl can call both 21:44 chris another thing to put on the list 21:45 hdl_laptop we would HAVE to since translations seems to be a neverending task if we donot 21:45 chris yep 21:45 hdl_laptop But maybe we could/should make .def a yaml file 21:46 hdl_laptop so that pianohacker work on system preferences could get translated too 21:48 chris we should have a talk with him about that 21:49 hdl_laptop ok. 21:49 chris ok meeting time 21:49 hdl_laptop good nite 21:49 chris back later 21:49 pianohacker though they'd be different kinds of files, even just the infrastructure to deal with things besides .tmpl's would help 21:49 pianohacker hibye 21:54 Richard2k10 for koha 3, what is the best way to clear out all the materials you have imported but still retain settings and such? 23:41 chris back