Time Nick Message 21:54 chris_n2-away hdl_laptop: on second look, it appears that only Code39 Mod10 is incorrect in the 3.0.x branch so only that part of the commit mentioned needs to be applied 21:29 * chris puts the laptop away for a bit 21:28 chris (i can with gitosis) 21:28 chris hdl_laptop: i have been pushing language changes up into 3.0.x 21:26 chris yep 21:25 pianohackr|work That's what you meant by clocked in :) 21:25 pianohackr|work Ah. 21:24 chris we are just about to do the barcamp planning 21:24 chris just about to start :) 21:23 pianohackr|work How was it? 21:23 * chris clocks in from SFD 21:07 * chris_n^2 heads out 21:06 chris_n^2 I really wish Josh would just straighten up, apologize, and get back to work inside the community 21:05 chris_n^2 thd: I truly hope you are successful in that regard 21:05 thd chris_n^2: However unlikely it may be given the current state, I am hoping that kados finds something to use in a proposal which I have put to him. 21:05 chris_n^2 gotta run, bbl 21:05 chris_n^2 thd: I enjoyed the discussion... it gives me more food for thought 21:04 chris_n^2 I suspect the matter will finally be one for whatever organization emerges to address 21:03 chris_n^2 thd: I agree that it would be best for everyone if LL were to voluntarily fulfill their own promises to the community 21:02 thd chris_n^2: I think we should be coaxing LibLime as I am trying to do quietly rather than pushing them further away over trademarks and such. 21:02 chris_n^2 cf523d10949c4d354cd06f88437316f530ac87f6 21:02 hdl_laptop Do you have commit id ? 21:02 * chris_n^2 does not know if many are using those formats 21:01 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3649 blocker, P5, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, ASSIGNED, Code39 Mod10 and Mod43 barcodes are produced with Mod9 checksums 21:01 chris_n^2 hdl_laptop: that patch I submitted for bug 3649 should be ported to 3.0.x as soon as possible as it is a rather serious bug for anyone using code39 mod10 or mod43 barcodes 21:00 hdl_laptop yes 21:00 chris_n^2 hdl_laptop about? 21:00 thd As long as you are nice to the Mauri then you cannot have problems about using words which are part of an official language. 20:58 chris_n^2 thd: it would not be hard, I suspect, to gain control of the Koha tm in the US in any case if that is what the community desired 20:58 thd NZ is safest for issues involving Koha trademark use. 20:57 thd chris_n^2: I do not think that it matters much about the interim choice. 20:57 thd All the organisations have merits for status as an additional affiliation. 20:56 chris_n^2 IFLA does not have any mechanism in place to provide anything relevant to koha's needs afaict 20:56 chris_n^2 thd: I missed that totally in the meeting, sorry 20:55 chris_n^2 I really wish SFLC had made it onto the first poll nengard created as it seems much more relevant than IFLA 20:55 thd I had missed the beginning of the meeting when I could not access an X-windows session. 20:54 thd I did try to raise SFLC in the meeting as a discussion topic but I was not forceful about it. 20:54 thd The page to which I added what I wrote about the Conservancy and indirectly SFLC was the one linked from the meeting agenda. 20:53 * chris_n^2 agrees with that 20:52 thd We need a wiki page which links to whatever there is about the issue, the wiki is a mess for finding things. 20:52 thd chris_n^2: Some of the text content from the page which pianohackr|work found should be incorporated into the chart and the other way around. 20:51 chris_n^2 *nod* 20:50 thd s/conservancy/Conservancy/ 20:50 thd chris_n^2: The drawback that the conservancy has of controlling member assets is the same as I suspect it would be for HLT 20:48 thd yes pianohackr|work found it. 20:47 pianohackr|work thd: did you add this? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohafoundation#software_freedom_conservancy 20:46 thd Do you know where the text page with similar content is? 20:42 chris_n^2 I added them to the chart here: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohaheldbyfoundation 20:42 * thd checks 20:42 thd Do you know what the page is? 20:41 chris_n^2 I missed that 20:41 thd Did you see what I wrote about them on the wiki? 20:41 chris_n^2 and the cost of membership can't be beat 20:40 chris_n^2 They are very clear on minimal interference in the projects under them 20:40 thd They are council for FSF and founded by FSF legal council. 20:40 chris_n^2 and wine 20:39 chris_n^2 Samba is under them 20:39 chris_n^2 thd: I was impressed with the info on their website 20:39 thd I am going to obtain more information about the conservancy etc. this evening. 20:38 thd They are the cosponsors where I am in New York City. 20:38 thd ... at least that is my understanding. 20:38 thd chris_n^2: SFLC invented Software Freedom Day 20:37 thd chris_n^2: I am less confident about the conservancy but I know the people involved somewhat. Others do not know them and they may have less confidence. 20:37 chris_n^2 thd: I agree on that point 20:36 chris_n^2 thd: they are wholly dedicated to FOSS from the legal/business standpoint which is very impressive 20:35 thd chris_n^2: I think that they could and should serve as legal council for any choice. 20:35 chris_n^2 it is second to HLT on my own list 20:34 chris_n^2 yes 20:34 thd chris_n^2: Had you expressed interest in the SFLC? 20:34 chris_n^2 the library here uses code39 w/no checksums 20:33 thd Definitely you need what the application expects. 20:33 thd The start and stop characters are asterisks which makes it very simple to implement 20:33 chris_n^2 it probably only matters if you try scanning them with applications expecting mod10 or 43 :-S 20:32 thd :) 20:32 chris_n^2 it appears that anyone thinking they were getting code39 mod10 or 43 were really getting mod9 20:32 thd You do need the start and stop charcters 20:31 thd Checksums are optional for code39 and I had not used them 20:31 thd Now I remember 20:29 chris_n^2 the 'visa' method produces modulo 9 20:29 * thd checking 20:29 thd chris_n^2: Now I am doubting. I wrote an application to use it a few years ago 20:29 chris_n^2 in reality both selections which include checksums currently produce code39mod9 20:28 chris_n^2 thd: current code allows three methods: code39 w/no checksum, code39mod10, code39mod43 (which is standard for code39) 20:27 thd chris_n^2: would you use code39 symbology without checksums? 20:17 chris_n^2 :-P 20:17 chris_n^2 actually current code generates code39 w/ mod9 20:10 * chris_n^2 wonders if anyone is even using code39 w/checksums 20:09 hdl_laptop chris around ? 20:09 chris_n^2 hrmm... it appears that current code generates mod43 checksums for mod10 code39 barcode 19:52 chris_n^2 hello hdl, cait 19:47 pianohackr|work Good morning, cait 19:47 hdl_laptop chris : any new patches on 3.0.x ? 19:23 cait_laptop good morning 19:11 chris_n^2 software freedom++ 19:11 chris_n^2 hi chris 19:11 * chris_n^2 returns with an half wagon load of sweet potatoes 19:09 chris http://softwarefreedomday.org.nz/Schedule 19:08 * chris is getting ready to go to sofware freedom day 19:08 pianohackr|work Good morning, chris 19:08 chris morning all 17:47 pianohackr|work Yup, will help 17:46 Ropuch although I don't need polish intranet, I think I'll translate it. Without it no library will ever consider using koha 17:43 Ropuch Waiting for replies from 3 more libraries 17:43 Ropuch Yep 17:35 pianohackr|work ouch 17:33 Ropuch And the ones I know of are using some 2.2 fork with hardcoded translations 17:33 Ropuch I'm gathering informations about polish koha user, but there aren't plenty of them 17:32 Ropuch pianohackr|work: nice to meet you too [; 17:32 pianohackr|work Ah 17:32 Ropuch pianohackr|work: I've been wroking on translation for some time, but week or two weeks ago chris made administrator of polish translation for 3.x 17:31 pianohackr|work Sorry, good to meet you anyways :) 17:31 pianohackr|work Maybe 17:31 Ropuch Maybe you mean Benedykt Barszcz 17:30 pianohackr|work For the last two weeks? 17:30 Ropuch ;> 17:30 Ropuch From a two week or so 17:30 pianohackr|work You also take care of the Polish translation, right? 17:30 Ropuch But I'm sure we've never met 17:29 Ropuch pianohackr|work: I'm Piotr Wejman, open source fan and koha user 17:24 pianohackr|work I'm Jesse Weaver, a koha geek 17:24 pianohackr|work Ropuch: I've seen you at some of the meetings, but I'm not sure I've introduced myself 17:23 Wizzyrea_ ! 17:23 Wizzyrea_ later12 17:23 Ropuch Bye 17:23 Wizzyrea_ full report later ;) 17:23 chris_n^2 bye all 17:23 Wizzyrea_ thanks chris_n, I will 17:23 pianohackr|work see ya, have a good day chris_n 17:22 chris_n^2 have a great time Wizzyrea_ 17:22 * chris_n^2 has to run off 17:22 Wizzyrea_ ^.^ 17:22 Wizzyrea_ will be my first time to the ks speedway 17:22 pianohackr|work Hahahaha 17:21 Wizzyrea_ not sure, honestly i'm not really a nascar fan... I just want to drive fast :P 17:20 pianohackr|work Hmm. What's that small building to the southeast? 17:20 Wizzyrea_ wow small world 17:20 Wizzyrea_ http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=kansas+speedway&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=25.565517,56.513672&ie=UTF8&ll=39.116027,-94.834993&spn=0.006093,0.013797&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A 17:19 chris_n^2 my dad was born in Viola, KS 17:18 Wizzyrea_ Kansas City KS 17:18 chris_n^2 whereabouts in KS? 17:17 Wizzyrea_ I can't wait it's going to be fun 17:17 Wizzyrea_ wizzyreas_husband++ 17:17 pianohackr|work wizzyreas_husband++ 17:17 Wizzyrea_ ^.^ 17:17 pianohackr|work hehe 17:17 chris_n^2 last time I had a car over 100mph, I saw blue lights flashing 17:17 Wizzyrea_ it was my birthday present from my sweet hubby 17:16 Wizzyrea_ :D 17:16 * chris_n^2 covets Wizzyrea_ now 17:16 pianohackr|work O_o 17:16 Wizzyrea_ up to 165MPH 17:16 Wizzyrea_ in 1.5 hrs I get to go drive a formula 1 race car around the kansas speedway 17:16 chris_n^2 Ropuch: use plenty of brown-sugar and butter the first time and modify to taste from there 17:15 Wizzyrea_ ...wow 17:15 * pianohackr|work grabs a palm frond 17:15 Wizzyrea_ HEHE 17:15 * chris_n^2 fans Wizzyrea 17:15 Wizzyrea_ we have a few places here that serve them 17:15 Ropuch Sweet potato aka not-realy-sweet tuber ;> 17:15 chris_n^2 Ropuch: they do require additional sweetening to be good, imho 17:15 pianohackr|work Wizzyrea_: A restaurant here in florence, co, serves them 17:14 Wizzyrea_ *swoon* 17:14 pianohackr|work candied yams, or sweet potato pie 17:14 Wizzyrea_ omg, sweet potato fries 17:14 pianohackr|work They go well in sweet dishes though 17:14 pianohackr|work They're not, really 17:14 Ropuch Hmm, I think I'll give them a try, although the "sweet" part does not convince me ;> 17:13 pianohackr|work Yup 17:13 chris_n^2 french fried sweet potatoes are good also 17:11 * chris_n^2 lives in North Carolina 17:11 Ropuch Ipomoea batatas - that's it [; 17:11 chris_n^2 "In the U.S., North Carolina, the leading state in sweet potato production, provided 38.5% of the 2007 U.S. production of sweet potatoes." 17:11 chris_n^2 actually: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_potato 17:10 chris_n^2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yam_%28vegetable%29 17:09 chris_n^2 they are actually a tuber and not a potatoe at all 17:09 Ropuch Hm, i believe so, it;s called batat 17:09 chris_n^2 do you have yams/sweet potatoes in Poland? 17:08 pianohackr|work That sounds pretty incredible 17:08 pianohackr|work Hrm, now I'm hungry 17:08 chris_n^2 Ropuch: you are missing a real treat ;-) 17:08 chris_n^2 baked even 17:08 chris_n^2 we also have a recipe to do them backed w/butter and brown-sugar 17:07 chris_n^2 no, but will this week for sure 17:07 pianohackr|work Have you done candied yams with them yet? 17:06 pianohackr|work Ooh 17:06 pianohackr|work (Have been eating homegrown tomatoes this summer, will be tough to go back to cardboard and food coloring this winter...) 17:06 chris_n^2 they are on the order of magnitudes better 17:06 Ropuch I've never had a chance to eat one of those 17:06 pianohackr|work How do homegrown sweet potatoes compare to storebought? 17:05 chris_n^2 the farmer who leases some land from my father-in-law raises sweet potatoes and has left a (very) long row for us 17:05 Ropuch hello chris_n^2 17:04 chris_n^2 hi Ropuch 17:04 pianohackr|work s/yams/sweet potatoes/g 17:04 chris_n^2 sweet potatoes 17:04 chris_n^2 now I'll go dig a row of yams 17:04 pianohackr|work chris_n^2: ah 17:04 chris_n^2 and just ate lunch 17:03 Ropuch Quite good, actually 17:03 chris_n^2 well, spent the morning hunting w/my son 17:03 pianohackr|work Also Ropuch 17:03 pianohackr|work ? 17:03 pianohackr|work How are you, chris_n² 17:03 pianohackr|work *bang* *bang* *bang* 17:03 Ropuch ;> 17:02 * chris_n^2 bangs a virtual pot 17:02 chris_n^2 mighty quiet in here today 17:02 chris_n^2 hey pianohacker|work 16:54 pianohackr|work Hi, liz 13:47 munin` kf: owen was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 28 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <owen> That's why it's ridiculous to say that Koha development is only driven by developers. It ignores those of us who are librarian *and* developer 13:47 kf @seen owen 13:38 kf owen around? 12:32 kf it would be good to add a bug report 12:21 CGI691 that the install process uses 12:21 CGI691 well, it looks the same as the kohastructure.sql file, which appears to be the right one 12:20 kf table borrowers 12:17 kf and should be working on my presentation, came in for that today 12:17 kf I have no access to our servers here at work 12:17 kf sorry no 12:17 kf perhaps check if table borrower was correctly created 12:17 CGI691 kf can you try a fresh install of 3.00.3 to see if you also have same problem? 12:16 kf ok.. I thought perhaps there was a patch of something, but if there is I dont recognize it 12:14 kf lets check recent changes too memberentry.pl 12:14 Ropuch Ok, bbl 12:13 Ropuch maybe 12:13 kf hm, perhaps git can help 12:13 Ropuch kf: ooops ;> 12:13 Ropuch As ordinary user all I can do is send files i've mentioned above for you to switch & test it 12:13 kf ;) 12:13 kf was my first question ,) 12:12 CGI691 yes, I have patron categories 12:12 Ropuch You have patron categories defined/ 12:12 CGI691 also, it was reported in March here : http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2009-March/009254.html 12:11 Ropuch Just checked: it was a fresh 3.003 install on new virtual machine 12:11 CGI691 did you install 3.00.3 from scratch? 12:11 Ropuch I don't have that problem either 12:10 CGI691 well, in case anyone else asks, 3.00.2 adn 3.00.3 cant add new patrons when installed from scratch :) 12:09 kf adding patrons was never a problem sof ar 12:09 CGI691 you mean you dont run 3.00.3 12:09 kf I have only "3.2" installations for testing now, earlier I had 3.0.0 patched to the next stable version 12:09 CGI691 kf: no? 12:09 kf no 12:08 CGI691 anyone who runs 3.00.3 or tests it as a new install? sounds like you aren't running that version 12:08 Ropuch bbl 12:08 Ropuch switching files? I don't think so :) 12:07 CGI691 is that the normal install procedure for Koha? :) 12:07 Ropuch I can sent you those files (with C4\Members, maybe) - you can always try to switch them, worked for me few times ;> 12:06 CGI691 ? 12:05 Ropuch I can always sent my members-home.pl and memberentry.pl 12:05 CGI691 this was reported in March it appears 12:05 CGI691 http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2009-March/009254.html 12:04 CGI691 anyone who started with 3.00.3 fresh install? because it doesnt work :) 12:04 Ropuch ? 12:04 Ropuch Any error in koha-error_log/ 12:04 Ropuch It's confusing, really, as I was sure i have 3.00.3 on this machine 12:04 CGI691 well I did upgrade and the new patron still doesnt work 12:03 Ropuch Have the same 12:03 Ropuch 3.00.02.012 12:03 Ropuch Yes 12:03 CGI691 srsly 12:03 CGI691 has kohaversion of 3.00.02.012 12:03 Ropuch Hm, you can always post a message on koha-devel if you think something is not right with the git 12:02 CGI691 oops, the 3.00.03 tag I mean 12:02 CGI691 because your 3.00.02.012 tag has kohaversion of 3.00.02.012 12:02 CGI691 is kohaversion.pl what it says it is? 12:01 Ropuch I know nothing about git :) 12:01 CGI691 even in git.koha.org you can see it 12:01 CGI691 but it appears your git tag is done wrong 12:00 Ropuch Oh, so forget I've pasted the link ;> 12:00 CGI691 I'm quite familiar with git 12:00 Ropuch CGI691: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage 12:00 kf I think if it worked you should get the web installer when logging into git, so that database will be updated 11:59 kf where did you check the version? 11:59 CGI691 it appears the tag is done incorrectly? 11:59 CGI691 kohaversion.pl still shows 3.00.02.012 11:59 kf dont know how to do this with git 11:58 kf sorry, I know just a few git commands 11:57 CGI691 is that correct for an upgrade? 11:57 CGI691 first git checkout v3.00.03 11:56 CGI691 I did: git checkout -b v3.00.03 11:54 kf 3.0.3 is there for some time now, I think it should work 11:54 Ropuch It's working just fine, but i remeber some problems with adding new patrons though 11:53 CGI691 yes 11:53 Ropuch 3.00.02 11:53 CGI691 3.0.2 is what I tried, sorry, I misspoke earlier 11:53 CGI691 seems like creating patrons is a basic function :) 11:52 kf 3.0.2 or 3.2? 11:52 Ropuch My library is working with 3.02 11:52 kf but you can easily upgrade 11:52 kf there will soon be a 3.0.4 11:52 kf there was a problem with requests in opac I know of 11:52 CGI691 it seems not :) 11:52 kf quite... is right 11:52 Ropuch Quite' 11:52 CGI691 was 3.0.2 stable? 11:51 CGI691 i'll try that 11:51 kf :) 11:51 CGI691 ok 11:51 Ropuch Or here 11:51 Ropuch http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.03.tar.gz 11:51 kf you can download it from git.koha.org, look at section tags 11:50 CGI691 where is 3.0.3? 11:50 CGI691 ? 11:50 Ropuch CGI691: i sugest trying 3.0.3 11:50 CGI691 with error This patron does not exist. 11:50 kf a stable 3.0.3 would sure work, 3.2 is not released yet 11:50 CGI691 it reloads page /cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=0 11:50 CGI691 went to patrons, clicked new, selected category, filled out form, saved 11:49 kf the message sounds strange. what where your steps to add the patron? 11:49 CGI691 what version of koha works? 11:48 kf hm, I have only a patched version, not a new installation and its not up to date :( 11:47 CGI691 and it works? 11:47 CGI691 so anyone who is running this version? 11:45 CGI691 yes 11:45 kf did you set up patron categories? 11:43 CGI691 found this message: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2009-March/009248.html 11:42 CGI691 I get the error This patron does not exist. 11:42 CGI691 just installed 3.2 and I can't add a new user 11:06 Ropuch In the end i've chosen marc-8 and it seems ok 11:05 Ropuch Tried all - seems that sometimes there's same record in different encodings at time 11:00 hdl_laptop Ropuch: have you tried iso 5426 or iso 6937 as charsets ? 08:12 Ropuch Anybody using amicus z3950 server? I have trouble with encoding 07:12 brendan heya #koha 06:03 Ropuch Morning