Time  Nick            Message
00:21 brendan         cya in a bit #koha -- time to head home :)
02:03 chris_n2        owen++
02:03 chris           owen++
02:38 * chris_n2      hits the hay
03:51 Amit            hi chris, brendan, richard
03:51 Amit            good morning #koha
03:51 chris           hi Amit
03:51 richard         hola Amit
03:52 brendan         hello amit
04:18 Amit            heya greenmang0
04:18 greenmang0      hoi Amit
04:19 Amit            @wunder Bangalore, India
04:19 munin`          Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 22.0�C (8:30 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 20.0�C.
04:22 chris           http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2874942/Little-girls-foul-toss-makes-dad-a-celebrity/
04:22 chris           for brendan
04:23 brendan         that's great --
04:24 brendan         I've been to over 150 games -- never been close to a foul ball
04:28 greenmang0      @wunder mumbai
04:28 munin`          greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (9:10 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
04:29 brendan         ah ok -- time for bed -- night #koha
04:30 chris           night brendan
04:30 Amit            @wunder Dehradun india
04:30 munin`          Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 25.0�C (8:30 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa.
04:48 Amit            @wunder New Delhi
04:48 munin`          Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 30.0�C (10:00 AM IST on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
05:26 chris           hi magnusenger
05:45 magnusenger     hi chris
05:45 magnusenger     congrats on not being grumpy! ;-)
05:45 chris           heh
06:17 Ropuch          Mrning #koha
06:59 kf              good morning #koha
07:01 Ropuch          hello
07:08 chris           hi kf and Ropuch
07:12 chris           hi paul_p2
07:12 nahuel          la salle
07:13 chris           good morning nahuel
07:13 nahuel          lol
07:13 nahuel          hi chris!
07:30 kf              hi chris
07:31 kf              good morning nahuel
07:33 nahuel          hi kf, I saw your patches ! I'm glad to saw you're beggining to contribute to the projet :)
07:33 kf              I try, but you know I m not a programmer
07:34 kf              we are also working on some more changes in xslt to reflect title-title-linking with $w in MARC21
07:34 kf              planning to send a patch next week, but not sure if it will get into 3.2
07:35 nahuel          You don't need to be a programmer :) Some typo fix are needed :)
07:35 nahuel          Why not ?
07:35 kf              not sure if its a new feature or a bug
07:35 kf              there is a bug about 440 which will solved by that so I hope gmcharlt will add it
07:36 kf              btw biblibre's offlince circulation looks really nice!
07:37 nahuel          Yap, it's Jean-André Santoni who is making it :)
07:45 chris           nicomo_laptop: can you get into pootle now?
07:45 nicomo_laptop   hi chris
07:45 nicomo_laptop   yes, thanks
07:45 nicomo_laptop   Guess we did the same thing last time and I forgot to change the pw to something I knew
07:45 |Lupin|         good day
07:46 nicomo_laptop   HI |Lupin|
07:46 |Lupin|         hi nicomo_laptop
07:46 kf              hi lupin
07:55 |Lupin|         hi kf
08:02 nahuel          hi |Lupin|
08:09 |Lupin|         hi nahuel :)
08:17 |Lupin|         hmm
08:17 |Lupin|         I'm suspecting a small bug in the koha-zebra-ctl.sh script
08:18 |Lupin|         when the directories are created at start-up
08:18 |Lupin|         shoulnd't they be chowned so that they belong to the user and group used to run koha ?
08:18 |Lupin|         oh oops it's already the case, I'm sorry
08:22 Ropuch          ;.
08:23 nahuel          But we should make a new script, to use start-stop-daemon instead of daemon
08:24 |Lupin|         nahuel: yeah and o be LSB-compliant...
08:24 |Lupin|         also, there is a variable which is assigned but not used: DBNAME
08:37 Amit            hi lupin, nicomo, ropuch
08:38 kf              hi Amit ;)
08:39 |Lupin|         hey Amit
08:39 Amit            heya kf
09:19 hdl_laptop      chris pushing now a translation into english.
09:19 hdl_laptop      of a valuebuilder
09:23 chris           sweet
09:26 brendan         heya #koha
09:26 Ropuch          I should finish polish opac by the end of the day
09:26 chris           you are awake early brendan
09:27 brendan         yup -- can't sleep
09:27 chris           Ropuch: very cool
09:27 brendan         going to spend sometime doing some fun reading :)
09:27 Ropuch          chris: we'll see: the fever is striking hard on me
09:56 chris           hi Colin
10:12 hdl_laptop      hi Colin
10:25 Colin           Hi (belatedly - was on the phone)
10:29 Colin           Serials prediction patterns were sent to try us
10:30 chris           heh yes
10:32 Colin           Especially when trying to generate them from data from elsewhere
10:34 madsdyd         Hi there. New to koha. Does koha support any self service automates? SIP2, Z3970, NCIP?
10:34 madsdyd         Also, what other ILS are "competitors" to Koha? Is Evergreen the only other? What about ILS's as Biblioteq, NewGenLib, OpenBiblio, PMB/PhpMyBibli or Weblis?
10:35 chris           Koha supports SIP2
10:36 chris           and you can add ex libris, sirsi/dynix, millenium, polaris and all teh proprietary ILS's to your list too
10:36 madsdyd         chris, thanks. And, I am only looking at Open Source solutions.
10:37 madsdyd         Would you consider my list worthy competitors?
10:37 brendan         Evergreen really isn't a competitor -- each project has some great things going on -- that's a much better way to look at it
10:37 chris           yeah we only really compete against the proprietary ones
10:38 madsdyd         brendan: well, perhaps competitor is the wrong term
10:38 brendan         They are both open -- so you could do whatever you wanted to with each other
10:39 madsdyd         I am trying to figure out what is out there. Like, in other Open Source "arenas", you know what the "big names" are. So, I *think* at this stage that Evergreen and Koha are the big names in Open Source ILS. But I would be unhappy to miss some
10:39 brendan         ah...  I understand now
10:39 chris           they have the most features
10:39 brendan         I'd say you're correct - right now to two bigger ones are koha and evergreen
10:40 madsdyd         brendan: thanks :-)
10:40 brendan         err..  as chris says -- have more features ( a much nicer way to think about it )
10:42 madsdyd         brendan: ok. So, if I were to say that koha has 100 features - are the others about 30,40,50? I know I am pressing my luck here, but I have spent quite some time trying to compare these systems, and it is not easy...
10:43 chris           we really dont spend much time trying to figure stuff like that out
10:43 brendan         The best way to test that is download both and work through your tests and your list of functional elements that you need
10:44 madsdyd         ok.
10:44 madsdyd         Unfortunately, my boss want this yesterday :-)
10:44 Colin           They always do
10:44 madsdyd         This is a preminilary analysis, btw.
10:44 madsdyd         So, I am supposed to turn up 2-3 library systems, that someone else are supposed to analyze in detail
10:45 madsdyd         2-3 Open Source ... etc
11:06 magnusenger     Imagine if there was something like http://www.opensourcecms.com/ for open source ILSs... ;-)
11:16 gmcharlt        magnusenger++
11:17 Ropuch          hm
11:17 gmcharlt        and it would certainly be a better approach from my POV than OpenRFP
11:20 |Lupin|         hi gmcharlt
11:21 kf              madsdyd: perhaps look at senacan
11:21 kf              senayan
11:22 kf              I read a blog post about it, but had no time to take a closer look
11:22 gmcharlt        hi |Lupin|
11:22 |Lupin|         please all
11:23 |Lupin|         I'm wondering why KOha rules for loan can't depend on ccodes at the moment
11:23 |Lupin|         is it because it would make their evaluaiton too hard, or is it because nobody has implemented this feature yet ?
11:24 gmcharlt        not implemented - and it's not necessarily an obvious thing to do
11:24 gmcharlt        since ccodes are just authorized values
11:24 brendan         I'd agree -- I don't think I every thought to circ something via ccode
11:25 gmcharlt        and there isn't a database table backing them up and prevent items from being given ccodes that aren't known to the circ rules
11:25 |Lupin|         gmcharlt: ok, I understand
11:26 |Lupin|         brendan: well for our library it would I think be very useful to be able to include ccodes in circulation rules
11:26 brendan         that's cool
11:26 |Lupin|         and honestly, I don't know how we will do without them, because item types is used for something else
11:27 gmcharlt        I can see having a second level of location beyond the library code
11:27 gmcharlt        maybe more
11:27 |Lupin|         hmm
11:27 gmcharlt        but it would need to be based on just more than an authorized value
11:28 |Lupin|         gmcharlt: why ? because of the problem you have explained above of not being able to guarantee database integrity ?
11:28 gmcharlt        correct
11:28 |Lupin|         ok...
11:31 gmcharlt        of course, were such a thing code, one could then contemplate migrating ccodes to second-level locations
11:42 madsdyd         kf: Thanks - it looks quite early though
11:43 chris_n         g'morning #koha
11:43 brendan         morning chris_n
11:44 chris_n         you're up early brendan (iirc)
11:44 brendan         yup :)
11:44 chris_n         west coast, right?
11:44 brendan         yes
11:44 brendan         @wunder 93117
11:44 munin`          brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.9�C (4:42 AM PDT on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Falling).
11:45 * chris_n       re-entered the US via CA 35 years ago
11:45 chris_n         and have not been there since
11:45 chris_n         @wunder 28334
11:45 munin`          chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 19.0�C (7:41 AM EDT on September 17, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
11:45 brendan         good deal  -- i just moved here last year
11:46 brendan         I was from CT for most of my life
11:46 |Lupin|         gmcharlt: ok, thanks a lot for your explanations
11:46 chris_n         I lived in MD for awhile and had a friend from CT
11:49 Amit            hi chris_n
11:56 chris_n         hey Amit
11:56 chris_n         and paul_p2
12:04 |Lupin|         pls
12:05 |Lupin|         is the isbd syspref used both in OPAC and staff client, or just in opac ?
12:06 |Lupin|         hi jdavidb
12:07 jdavidb         Hi, |Lupin| ! :)
12:07 jwagner         Hi everyone.
12:08 |Lupin|         hello jane
12:08 gmcharlt        |Lupin|: ISBD syspref is for both staff and OPAC
12:08 |Lupin|         gmcharlt: ok, thanks ! it's great
12:09 |Lupin|         gmcharlt: is the syntax of the syspref documented somewhere ? like what is allowed, what can be achieved, etc... ?
12:09 gmcharlt        not that I know of, unless it's in the manual or BibLibre has something written up about it
12:10 |Lupin|         gmcharlt: for instance for instance we have a marc field bound to ccodes, and I'de like to use both the description of the code and its value in the syspref. Is that possible ?
12:10 |Lupin|         gmcharlt: so the doc is the code ? In that case I'd be happy to have a look to it if someone could point me to the relevant file
12:11 gmcharlt        |Lupin|: GetISBDView in C4/Biblios.pm
12:11 |Lupin|         gmcharlt: thanks a lot !!!
12:12 gmcharlt        I belive {{ }} instead of { } in the syspref means to fetch the display string from the authval
12:12 |Lupin|         gmcharlt: wooow ! that'd amazing. cool !
12:12 gmcharlt        thank nahuel for that
12:12 |Lupin|         ok, have to run, ee you laer all !
12:12 gmcharlt        he's the one whose done the most work on the ISBD view of late
12:13 |Lupin|         nahuel++ !
12:13 |Lupin|         nahuel++ !
12:13 nahuel          :)
12:13 |Lupin|         till soon
12:22 hdl_laptop      hi
12:23 madsdyd         A question about koha: It only works with a Linux server and MySQL, right?
12:25 * madsdyd       has been downloading for about an hour now
12:26 gmcharlt        madsdyd: pretty much correct for 3.0 and later; you can run and test it in a VM, of course
12:28 Nate            mornin ladies and gents
12:28 gmcharlt        morning Nate
12:28 madsdyd         gmcharlt: no problem, we are a Linux based shop
12:28 madsdyd         I just need to compile a "fact sheet"
12:31 chris_n         hi Nate
12:32 chris_n         and gmcharlt
12:32 gmcharlt        hi chris_n
12:32 Nate            hey chris_n, gmcharlt
12:33 Nate            finally stopped raining here in CT
12:34 chris_n         and started in NC
12:34 chris_n         for the next 7 days so noaa says
12:34 jdavidb         We had a little rain here overnight.  Murky and gray now.
12:37 mason           hi folks, can i ask a stupid jquery Q?
12:37 mason           i think i need a midnite brain-slap over here :/
12:37 gmcharlt        mason: no, only genius-level questions are allowed here!
12:37 gmcharlt        i.e., don't ask to ask, just ask ;)
12:38 jdavidb         Ask away, mason.  Ignore gmcharlt; he's in an ornery mood.
12:38 mason           yeah, good call, ok...
12:38 mason           var aaa  = document.getElementById('moo');
12:38 mason           this works fine...
12:39 mason           and this..
12:39 mason           var aaa  = $('#moo');
12:39 gmcharlt        mason: some browsers' version of getElementById are broken and search on the name attribute as well as the id attribute
12:40 mason           what i want is to use the *opener* document and change an id's value...
12:40 mason           so , i get the opener doc just fine..
12:40 mason           var doc   = opener.document;
12:40 mason           now.. how to use jquery to manip it ?!?
12:41 mason           this works.....
12:41 mason           var bbb = doc.getElementById('moo');
12:42 gmcharlt        mason: var bbb = $('#moo', doc);
12:42 mason           great!, but need to use jquery - coz i have to regex the 'id'  , as it is a randomly generated id :/
12:42 mason           like 'tag_300_subfield_a_99999_00000'
12:43 gmcharlt        i.e., you're passing the context of doc that you got from the opener to jquery
12:43 mason           sheesh, i would have *never* discovered that syntax
12:44 mason           whew , thanks for that  galen
12:46 * mason         backs away from the cliff
12:47 gmcharlt        wow, didn't realize it was that critical! ;)
12:48 madsdyd         Anyone know if newgenlib supports sip?
12:51 owen            Hi all
12:52 brendan         morning owen :)
12:52 jdavidb         Howdy, owen. :)
12:54 mason           critical enough that ive started using obsene words as variable names :)
12:54 schuster        mason - would your mother approve!
12:55 mason           yeah, she a completive scrabble(tm) player
12:57 schuster        Oh my - !
12:57 jdavidb         Mornin', schuster. :)
12:59 schuster        howdy David!!  Had to throw a little texan back at ya even though it might have a little Minnesota twang...
13:01 * jdavidb       hears schuster's voice in his head, saying "Howdy," and chuckles a little.
13:05 schuster        Too much to do today so I'm off to digitize some more video of KohaCon09 - hopefully I'll be able to post more tonight.
13:05 jdavidb         schuster++
13:07 * owen          reading the logs from earlier
13:07 owen            brendan, you're working with vokal?
13:08 brendan         yes - we're doing support right now --
13:08 brendan         Hopefully some training soon -- to get them to contribute some of their work
13:09 owen            Yeah, I've been watching out of the corner of my eye, hoping that they get involved.
13:10 owen            I inquired and got a nice email back from Stephanie Chase from Stowe Free Library. She sounded like they would be into community participation
13:11 brendan         Currently most of their concentration is on building the consortium and getting more libraries invovled -- then onto participation
13:39 schuster        OK showing ignorance - vokal?  What is that?  Sounds like a Vulkan thing.
13:40 Ropuch          sounds like something voice-related
13:41 brendan         http://gmlc.wordpress.com/koha-project/
13:45 owen            Vokal -- the Vulcan Science Directorate's official Voice-Recognition software.
13:52 paul_p2         FYI: https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/14399
13:52 paul_p2         Kivutar++
13:53 owen            That's exciting, paul_p2!
13:54 Kivutar         http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=offline_circulation_firefox_plugin
13:55 gmcharlt        Kivutar++
13:57 moodaepo        Kivutar++
13:58 schuster        Nice!++
13:58 schuster        This is not the offline circ though that I had gotten from LibLime...
13:59 brendan         Kivutar++
13:59 chris_n         Kivutar++
14:00 schuster        Technical requirements should that be 3.2 or some version of Koha for the server?
14:00 moodaepo        schuster what do you mean as a novice I just remember a gtk based offline...what is this LL one you speak of?
14:02 schuster        Koha Offline Circulation 1.558 - written by Kyle Hall and "adopted?" by LibLime?
14:02 nahuel          munin`, help
14:02 munin`          nahuel: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
14:02 Colin           Kivutar++
14:02 nahuel          @kivutar++
14:02 munin`          nahuel: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
14:02 nahuel          @karma Kivutar
14:02 munin`          nahuel: Karma for "Kivutar" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6.
14:03 moodaepo        schuster right I just checked and that's the one I remember seeing
14:03 nahuel          @karma nahuel
14:03 munin`          nahuel: Karma for "nahuel" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
14:03 nahuel          :(
14:03 nahuel          hehe
14:03 gmcharlt        nahuel++ # happy now? ;)
14:03 nahuel          yeah !
14:38 jdavidb         @karma jdavidb
14:38 munin`          jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3.
14:38 rhcl            I'll be meeting with Greg Mickels tomorrow, Nebraska Project Pioneer mover and shaker, to just talk shop about there move to Koha. Anybody have any specific questions they want me to ask?
14:39 rhcl            sed s/there/their
14:39 kyle            hey chris, are you around?
14:39 owen            Too early for chris, kyle
14:39 jdavidb         Middle of the night, for him, kyle.  prolly not.
14:40 kyle            good point ; )
14:40 rhcl            kyle, tnx for the feedback email on the VM
14:40 kyle            no problem. I'll have to roll some new ones as soon as 3.2 is out the door.
14:50 jdavidb         Mornin', Wizzyrea_!
14:50 Wizzyrea_       hi peeps :)
14:50 owen            If it isn't The Wiz.
14:51 Wizzyrea_       lol
14:51 Wizzyrea_       how is everyone's blood pressure today?
14:51 Wizzyrea_       :)
14:52 owen            it's quiet on the mailing lists, so mine's good so far.
14:52 Wizzyrea_       jim_minges++
14:52 Wizzyrea_       best...boss...ever...
14:52 Wizzyrea_       (not kidding)
14:54 jdavidb         Boss bring in donuts and raises, Wizzy?
14:54 Wizzyrea_       donuts sometimes, raises as $$ available
14:54 Wizzyrea_       :P
14:55 Wizzyrea_       oh, you mean today
14:55 Wizzyrea_       heh, no
14:55 jdavidb         The sincerest form of thanks a boss can give, starts with "Pay to the Order of..."      But donuts are almost as good.
14:55 Wizzyrea_       ha
14:56 Wizzyrea_       dunno, it's a pretty big deal when our boss just says "you know, you did a good job on that"
14:56 Wizzyrea_       not because he doesn't tell you, it's just you know he means it
14:56 jdavidb         Oh, heck, hide!   There's two jwagners!
14:56 Wizzyrea_       OMB
14:56 Wizzyrea_       OMG
14:56 * jdavidb       hides behind Wizzyrea_
14:57 Wizzyrea_       have we approached the singularity?
14:57 Wizzyrea_       are we surfing the moebius?
14:58 gmcharlt        Wizzyrea_: we are if you're inviting the Office of Management and Budget here ;)
14:59 Wizzyrea_       ha
15:00 jwagner_        That's what happens when your network connection freaks out.  We have multiplying jwagners!
15:00 * jdavidb       fears network hiccuping.
15:00 jdavidb         If it does it while there are two, do we end up with four?
15:02 jwagner         Only if my bad line of code is still in XSLT.pm :-)
15:02 Colin           Maybe its a two for the price of one offer
15:02 jwagner         There.  One of me is gone.  Do you feel safer now???
15:03 * jdavidb       feels much safer now, thanks.
15:03 jdavidb         But are you the good twin, or the evil twin?
15:03 jwagner         You wait until I get back into the office tomorrow.... (pause for ominous stare)
15:04 * Wizzyrea_     raises an eyebrow
15:04 * jdavidb       may just have to take the day off, to be safe.  Or bust a plumbing line in his own place.
15:04 jwagner         Harrumph.
15:04 Wizzyrea_       are you looking for your sledgehammer jdavidb?
15:04 jdavidb         Yis!  I loaned it to you last week...what'd you do with it?
15:05 jwagner         Well, we know she didn't hit her boss with it....
15:06 Wizzyrea_       ...no, that was the holy hammer of righteousness. The one you're looking for only destroys pipes
15:06 jwagner         Well, I wish it would stay away from my house.  We had an interesting day with the backhoe in my front yard yesterday.
15:07 Wizzyrea_       oh dear. did it involve things being severed that shouldn't be? perhaps an explosion?
15:08 Wizzyrea_       i really love how OTRS does their subdomains
15:08 Wizzyrea_       faq.otrs.org, bugs.otrs.org, doc.otrs.org
15:09 Wizzyrea_       lists.otrs.org
15:09 jwagner         No, but they had to dig pretty close to the gas lines.  I closed the doors & blinds and crossed my fingers...
15:09 Wizzyrea_       fingers in the ears "la la la"
15:09 Wizzyrea_       I can imagine :)
15:09 jwagner         The only real casualty of the day was my checkbook :-(
15:09 sekjal          hey, everyone, I'm having a bit of crisis.  We are unable to add items to Koha.
15:10 sekjal          its not an indexing issue; I've double checked on that
15:10 sekjal          the item record simply doesn't "take" when I click "Add Item"
15:10 sekjal          tried it on multiple browsers and with multiple user accounts
15:10 sekjal          anyone run into this before?
15:11 jwagner         Is it just that title, or all titles?
15:11 Wizzyrea_       can you do other things that change the DB?
15:11 Wizzyrea_       (checkin, checkout)
15:11 Wizzyrea_       (place holds)
15:11 sekjal          we've noticed it with two separate titles
15:11 sekjal          circulation, serials, and patron loading work fine
15:11 Wizzyrea_       k
15:12 sekjal          we have successfully deleted an item
15:12 Colin           anything turning up in the apache logs?
15:12 Wizzyrea_       very odd
15:12 Wizzyrea_       user in question has permissions?
15:12 sekjal          and I can edit items
15:13 sekjal          yes, all the user accounts I've tried have permissions.  even used kohaadmin
15:13 sekjal          Colin: I checked the koha error logs, but not apache.  doing so now...
15:14 jwagner         I've had that problem, but only when we were adding new development code into a code bundle, and there was a conflict.  Have you been doing anything with the code? If you're on a local branch, can you add an item if you switch back to master?
15:15 sekjal          I've made all of two code edits since we migrated, and they were primarily for OPAC display
15:17 Ropuch          sekjal: so? enything in the logs?
15:17 rhcl            out of disk space? (the other stuff probably wouldn't work if you were out of space though)
15:18 Ropuch          /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?biblionumber=
15:18 sekjal          can't get into /var/log/apache2.  permission denied
15:19 sekjal          works fine on my test system
15:19 Ropuch          Try to open that url with desired biblionumber
15:19 sekjal          which is the same code, in theory
15:19 sekjal          biblio displays fine in both the OPAC and the staff client
15:19 Ropuch          maybe it's just a minor tmpl typo
15:19 sekjal          the records are not getting into the DB.  Went in manually to check
15:20 Ropuch          But you can save them?
15:21 sekjal          after filling out the new item form at /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl, and clicking "Add Item", I get thrown returned to the screen, but with no record of the item being added
15:21 Wizzyrea_       do you have anything in your intranetuserjs that might be affecting it?
15:21 sekjal          nothing new record is added to the items table
15:21 Colin           But an edit to an existing item is saved?
15:22 sekjal          we haven't gotten any JS written yet
15:22 sekjal          yes, I can edit existing record's details
15:22 sekjal          which makes me think that somehow the itemnumber assignment is the problem... perhaps....?
15:25 Colin           Do you autogenerate barcodes??
15:26 sekjal          we do not.  we manually assign
15:27 chris_n         sekjal: what do the logs say?
15:27 chris_n         ie. apache error.log
15:27 chris_n         or koha-error_log
15:28 chris_n         sekjal: maybe sudo tail /var/log/apache2/error.log
15:28 chris_n         to overcome the permission issue
15:30 sekjal          apache2/error.log shows nothing significant
15:30 Wizzyrea_       did it work yesterday?
15:31 sekjal          I don't think so
15:31 chris_n         hrmm... db errors should show up in the log
15:31 sekjal          but we only started adding items yesterday evening, and I didn't turn on indexing until today
15:31 sekjal          took a second look at koha-error.log
15:32 chris_n         sekjal: do you have a cron job running rebuild_zebra.pl occasionally?
15:32 sekjal          getting things related to marc_subfield_structure.pl
15:32 sekjal          so, I think this is my fault
15:32 sekjal          chris_n: yes, every 3 minutes
15:32 schuster        URL checker - I don't see this documented anywhere? other than in cron jobs - where does the output go?
15:32 schuster        check-url.pl - ??
15:35 sekjal          fixed a MARC framework error in 999, retried, still not working
15:35 sekjal          ok, yes, I am generating errors in koha-error.log
15:36 chris_n         maybe a clue is there
15:36 sekjal          I think so
15:36 sekjal          alright, I have to go to a meeting
15:37 sekjal          I'll look at this more when I'm back
15:37 sekjal          thank you all so much for your assistance
15:37 sekjal          this is one of the many reasons why I love being part of this community
15:37 sekjal          be back later
15:41 * chris_n       re-invents photoshop(tm) inside of the Koha Patron Card Creator... :-P
15:43 owen            chris_n: I'm sure some patrons would like a little Guassian Blur to be applied to their photos
15:43 owen            Oooh, and lens flare!
15:44 schuster        Get the red out
15:44 brendan         One thing that I love about the new Photoshop is they have a colorblind button/filter with it
15:44 brendan         one time I was editing a picture and there was a red circle around the sun -- and I couldn't see it
15:45 brendan         flipped the switch -- I saw the circle was able to remove it -- then I switched back to normal color -- and it was gone for most normal people
15:45 chris_n         owen: lol!
15:46 owen            Or how about this? http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2006/11/09/slim-cameras.html
15:47 chris_n         $patron_image->total_make_over(look_like => 'your-wish-goes-here');
15:49 chris_n         interesting to say the least
16:34 jdavidb         hm.  this is a puzzler.  I have a customization that one of my customers did before we got 'em--possibly snagged from somewhere else--to purge off Serial Solutions records.  it has a really, really inefficient-sounding search in it:
16:35 jdavidb         SELECT <flds> from biblioitems where marcxml like '%<controlfield tag="003">WaSeSS</controlfield>%';
16:35 jdavidb         That just sounds painful, and sure enough, it dies on timeout.  Anyone know a better way to do that?
16:47 gmcharlt        jdavidb: index the 003 in Zebra
16:48 jdavidb         Mmm...then do a zebra search in the backfield to find the records.    yea, that would work, but it'd be a bit of geekery to make it go.
16:50 gmcharlt        an alternative might be creating a special table with an insert/update trigger on bibliotiems that populates it with the value of the 003 taken via the ExtractValue() function
16:50 gmcharlt        then index tthat
16:50 gmcharlt        could be a general mechanism
16:51 gmcharlt        another appraoch would be via MARC frameworks and mapping the 003 to a disused biblio or biblioitems column
16:51 jdavidb         Ah-hah.  That may be the best way....how to get 'em to populate, after changing that?
16:52 gmcharlt        one of the scripts in misc does that IIRC
16:52 jdavidb         k
16:57 jdavidb         Hm.  Since the query done baldly against MySQL took just under five minutes to tell me "0 rows", I'm thinking the right answer is Then Don't Do That.
17:15 chris_n         lunch
17:37 sekjal          back.  still can't get Add Item to work.
17:38 sekjal          the error I found in koha-error.log was for a bad framework decision, which I've fixed.  this has not resolved my issue, unfortunately
17:49 brendan         get some TNT -- sekjal
17:49 sekjal          brendan: I'm thinking maybe lunch.  I don't know if I have sufficent blood sugar to solve this right now
18:00 * chris_n       pays expensive tuition to learn about autoloader and autosplit... :-P
18:12 chris           morning
18:12 sekjal          morning, chris
18:22 chris_n         howdy chris
18:23 jwagner         morning chris
18:29 sekjal          alright, Add Item issue resolved
18:29 chris_n         sekjal: what was it?
18:29 chris           hmmm im a bad man
18:29 sekjal          lesson: do not create your own template in parallel to 'prog'.  Just use git to manage your local changes
18:30 sekjal          your template will quickly desynchronize after even the minorest of upgrades
18:37 chris_n         @define bad
18:37 munin`          chris_n: I've exhausted my database of quotes
18:37 chris_n         @dict bad
18:37 munin`          chris_n: foldoc, gcide, wn, jargon, vera, and moby-thes responded: vera: BAD Broken As Designed (slang); gcide: Bad \Bad\ (b[a^]d), imp. of {Bid}. Bade. [Obs.] --Dryden. [1913 Webster]; foldoc: BAD /B-A-D/ Broken As Designed, a play on "{working as designed}", from {IBM}. Failing because of bad design and misfeatures rather than because of bugs. [{Jargon File}] (2002-04-14); jargon: BAD /B-A-D/ adj. (25 more messages)
18:38 chris           :)
18:39 chris           chris_n: foisting marc questions off on biblibre or galen or joe :-)
18:39 chris_n         and giving out historical truths in the process
18:39 chris_n         definitely bad
18:40 chris           heh
18:42 Wizzyrea_       sekjal: I have SO been there
18:44 chris_n         @quote random
18:44 munin`          chris_n: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 07:40 PM, August 14, 2009)
18:44 chris_n         lol
18:45 sekjal          it seemed like a good idea at the time....
18:58 jwagner         @quote add <sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time....
18:58 munin`          jwagner: The operation succeeded.  Quote #35 added.
19:16 * chris         wanders off for coffee bbiab
19:25 schuster        Question about 3.2 - will there be bib merging?  I've seen things flying around, just can't remember.  Right now I found 7 records exactly the same - but each have items attached.
19:31 jwagner         @quote 35
19:31 munin`          jwagner: downloading the Perl source
19:31 gmcharlt        schuster: yes, I believe so
19:31 jwagner         @quote #35
19:31 munin`          jwagner: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
19:31 gmcharlt        @quote get 35
19:31 munin`          gmcharlt: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009)
19:31 sekjal          lol
19:31 jwagner         Thanks, Galen.  Since sekjal just rejoined...
19:33 sekjal          found the blue.css for the staff client.  not too bad
19:33 Wizzyrea_       @quote random
19:33 munin`          Wizzyrea_: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 01:55 AM, June 12, 2009)
19:34 Wizzyrea_       oh snap, we don't see that one often
19:35 sekjal          I had multiple requests to do something a little less harsh on the eyes, and that would more clearly differentiate staff client from OPAC
19:40 chris           sekjal: you should ask the vokal people if they wouldnt mind sharing their css
19:40 chris           their staff client is very pretty
19:40 owen            Where have you seen it chris?
19:41 brendan         http://openilsvt.pbworks.com/
19:41 brendan         beatcha to it chris
19:41 chris           how the heck did amy schuler get 3.0.2 runnong on windows?
19:42 chris_n         betcha its vbox or vmachine
19:42 chris           gotta be
19:45 chris           @seen kyle
19:45 munin`          chris: kyle was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 4 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <kyle> no problem. I'll have to roll some new ones as soon as 3.2 is out the door.
19:45 chris_n         vokal++ # for the nice staff interface mods
19:46 Ropuch          Hm, I'm using gtranslator and some some entries 'extracted comments; in form "%1$s: TMPL_VAR name=title %2$s: TMPL_VAR name=author", which are very helpfull
19:46 Ropuch          Are those comments added by hand, or autogenerated?
19:46 chris           i know kapiti used to have different colours, green was producton red was DR, so that the staff wouldnt use the wrong one :)
19:47 * owen          doesn't see where the staff interface mods are
19:47 chris           go to the staff templates
19:47 chris           then there is screenshot
19:48 chris           i saw a better one somewhere, i cant recall where though
19:48 chris           im fairly sure it is just css mods
19:48 gmcharlt        blue.css
19:48 chris           brendan can ping them about it at the meeting :)
19:48 rhcl            We've been trying to get the Koha image running on VMWare player on Win 2003 server--no dice. Put it on OpenSuse and it fired right up.
19:49 chris           free software wins again
19:49 chris           :)
19:50 chris           ok time to catch my bus, i will be back in an hour or so, have a good evening for anyone who is off before then
19:50 rhcl            The IP address issue was a dead end for us--just couldn't get it set using static IP addresses in Windows. Probably the fault of the VMWare player more than the Koha image.
19:51 * owen          figures out ZoneAlarm was blocking the Box.net widget from loading
19:52 owen            Hmm, a new icon set too
20:00 Ropuch          I've just installed 3.00.4 and when trying to view biblio detail in opac get Global symbol "$aws_ref" requires explicit package name at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/External/Amazon.pm line 85.
20:01 Ropuch          switching Amazon.pm to one from 3.00.3 solves the problem - should I subbmit a bug?
20:08 owen            Ropuch: If you don't get an answer here, submit the bug. If it's not really a bug at least someone can tell you why when they close it
20:09 Ropuch          Hm, I don't know perl, but just googled it
20:10 Ropuch          After ading 'my $aws_ref;' the problem is gone, so i consider this a mere typo
20:10 Ropuch          I promise I'll read perl tutorial eventually
20:10 Ropuch          ;>
20:17 sekjal          I'm almost ready to publish my migration tools for Millennium to Koha
20:17 brendan         sekjal++
20:17 sekjal          just doing some documentation and cleanup
20:17 sekjal          I've got a tester in CA who has been very helpful
20:24 schuster        I suspect there are a couple of people from CA on Millennium who would be interested based on individuals that attended KohaCon09...  Their biggest problem was getting the item and bib info on the MARC extraction.
20:26 sekjal          schuster: I think we're talking about some of the same folks
20:29 schuster        Probably...;)
20:34 chris           back
20:35 chris           Ropuch: yep, submit the bug .. 3.0.4 isnt released yet, so we love having you testing it
20:35 chris           any bugs you spot mean we can fix them up before the release
20:38 Ropuch          chris: actually is two-keystroke fix
20:39 Ropuch          But ok, let mi submit my first bug
20:39 sekjal          time to head home. until tomorrow!
20:39 Ropuch          Is Benedykt Barszcz still active on koha?
20:39 chris           not for a while
20:40 chris           Ropuch: you could attach the fix to the bug that would be excellent
20:40 chris           or you could even send a patch
20:40 Ropuch          I think I'll mail him
20:40 Ropuch          chris: i *really* don't know perl, and I'm not familiar with git yet
20:41 richard         good morning
20:41 Ropuch          I'll post the 'solution', but I don't know, if it's safe, just know it's working ;>
20:41 Ropuch          Seems like skipped my with
20:42 Ropuch          use strict
20:43 chris           cool
20:43 chris           yeah should always use my
20:43 chris           sounds like your solution is right
20:47 Ropuch          Hm, I've never used bugzilla before - what should i type into 'Assign to' instead of jmf@liblime?
20:49 gmcharlt        Ropuch: yourself, if you're fixing it
20:49 gmcharlt        otherwise (having not read scrollback yet) if it's a 3.0.x bug, hdl or chris
20:50 chris_n         we really need to purge the db structure of default NULLs
20:52 * chris_n       pushes today's work to his public repo and heads out
21:02 Wizzyrea_       who has admin over those assignments on bugzilla?
21:04 Ropuch          Hm, how can i submit a patch? Can i simply ask for fix in bug description (till I learn git)?
21:05 chris           yep thats fine Ropuch
21:06 chris           awesome!!!
21:07 * chris         just got given a $130 ticket to go to a luncheon today
21:08 schuster        http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=bugreportingfornewbies
21:08 chris           schuster++
21:08 schuster        That will help filling out bugs putting in enhancements
21:08 Ropuch          schuster: I've already read that [;
21:08 Ropuch          Ok, done
21:10 schuster        It defaults to someone unless you have a specific developer you want assigned to it.
21:10 Wizzyrea_       right, who admins those defaults
21:10 Wizzyrea_       who says who is the default
21:11 chris           i used to be able to
21:11 Wizzyrea_       there may need to be some revision there
21:11 chris           ill see if i can still
21:12 schuster        Night all - another night of american 8 year old football practice in the rain...  My son LOVES it - muddy as ever.
21:13 brendan         night schuster
21:13 Ropuch          It'm time for me too - good nigh
21:15 chris           Wizzyrea_: yes i still can
21:16 chris           whatcha reckon needs changing?
21:16 Wizzyrea_       well... the opac section goes to a person that isn't really involved
21:16 Wizzyrea_       I wonder if owen would be willing to be the go-to guy for OPAC stuff
21:17 Wizzyrea_       aw, but he's not here
21:17 chris           hmm i guess we should ask him first
21:17 Wizzyrea_       yea probably
21:17 Wizzyrea_       i mean, the person in the default gets a notify when a new bug is added, correct?
21:17 Wizzyrea_       so you probably want someone there who is... erm... engaged
21:18 chris           yes, yes you do
21:18 chris           it also goes to the koha-bugs mailing list
21:18 chris           but that is quite high traffic so easy to be missed
21:59 Wizzyrea_       *yawn*
21:59 chris           heh
22:06 * chris_n2-away relaxes by working on some photos of lighthouses
22:07 chris_n2        http://www.flickr.com/photos/42416875@N07/
22:08 Wizzyrea_       you take those?
22:11 Wizzyrea_       (pretty cool, if you ask me)
22:11 chris_n2        Wizzyrea_: yup
22:11 Wizzyrea_       verra niiice
22:11 chris_n2        tnx
22:36 Jo              morning all
22:37 chris           hi Jo
22:41 chris_n2        hello Jo
22:43 chris           Jo: looks like ben took your advice and got involved on the mailing list
22:47 Wizzyrea_       I was excited
22:48 Jo              me too!
22:48 Jo              Good for him :)
22:48 Jo              i wrote a friendly email to him to say welcome
22:48 mason           morning girls
22:49 richard         hola mason and jo
22:49 mason           heya richard
22:50 Jo              heya
22:51 chris           richard: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org.nz/Schedule
22:51 richard         tha nks
22:52 mason           oooh, nice layout!
22:52 chris           ill probably mostly be at the barcamp
22:55 mason           /me registers
22:58 mason           could be a good chance for me to put up my SCIS stuff before SLANZA
23:01 * richard       looks up scis :)
23:01 mason           http://www2.curriculum.edu.au/scis/home.html
23:02 richard         yup that was where i was
23:05 Wizzyrea_       I wrote him a note too, jo. :)
23:05 Wizzyrea_       figured all the welcome possible was probably better
23:05 chris           was yours offlist Jo?
23:25 davi            If nobody realize such replace "foundation" by "association or foundation" at  http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09sep15 and http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohaheldbyfoundation  thenI will do it tomorrow, because we should not forget the association option got 10 votes in favor versus 6 against. That is to say more 60% in favor at http://doodle.com/mobile/overview.html?pollId=bubb4xrqs54qgpwx
23:26 chris           dont replace anything
23:26 davi            ok
23:26 chris           wait until the official poll is announced
23:26 chris           and people vote
23:26 davi            ack
23:26 chris           we have to actually tell people about it
23:26 davi            I fear the current wiki seems be promoting foundation
23:27 davi            option
23:27 chris           one of the options will be association or foundation
23:27 chris           lets just wait
23:27 davi            good good
23:27 chris           ps, hows the software.coop public git repo coming along?
23:28 davi            slef installed the Git server yesterday I think
23:28 chris           excellent
23:28 davi            yep, we are slow but sure
23:30 davi            night
23:30 chris           cya later
23:32 chris_n2        g'nigh davi
23:32 chris_n2        night also
23:32 chris_n2        @spellcheck
23:32 munin`          chris_n2: I suck
23:36 Jo              yep offlist
23:38 chris           cool
23:39 chris           ok, im off to this lunch thingy