Time Nick Message 03:16 Amit hi chris 03:16 Amit good morning #koha 03:17 pianohacker Good evening 03:17 chris hi amit, and hi again pianohacker ... nearly time for sleep eh? 03:18 Amit hi pianohacker 03:18 pianohacker chris: Yes, as soon as I get this last bit of school in (and savor fantasies of revenge upon my teachers) 03:18 pianohacker It's been a long weekend 03:18 chris hehe 03:23 phasefx_ sleep is for the ukraine 03:24 Amit heya phasefx_ 03:24 chris still sick phasefx_ ? 03:24 pianohacker I can sleep when I'm dead 03:24 phasefx_ bleh, I'm functioning :) 03:24 Amit chris: India no 1 team for only 24 hrs 03:26 chris yeah sri lanka played well 03:27 Amit yes 03:27 pianohacker (disclaimer for log readers; in the above, I'm kidding! mostly.) 03:27 Amit today is final 03:28 chris yep 03:28 Amit in champion trophy first match india vs pakistan 03:28 Amit on 26 sep 03:28 chris hmm that will be an interesting game, i think india will win though 03:28 Amit hmm 03:29 Amit who is your favorite team 03:30 chris of course i will be hoping nz can win .. but i think it will be between australia, south africa, india and sri lanka 03:31 Amit hmm australia i m not in favour i don't like australian team 03:31 chris me either, but they still win a lot 03:31 Amit yes ur right 03:32 pianohacker Good night, #koha 05:49 kf good morning #koha 05:57 chris hi kf 05:59 kf hi chris 06:01 Ropuch Good morning 06:31 Amit hi Ropuch 06:47 Amit hi kf frederic 06:47 kf hi Amit 06:48 chris bon jour frederic 06:57 Susan Hi Everyone, I have a question, hope someone can help. 06:57 Susan I have a dev machine (Koha) fully operational with Zebra and everything. The administrator created an exact vmware clone of the machine 06:57 Susan and now we have a Test machine with a different static IP. However I did zebra reindexing, reimporting, made sure all the services are started 06:58 Susan Yet when I create a record into Koha-Test, and after all the indexing happens, I still can't search for it. IT says it is not found, eventhough it is in the DB 06:58 Susan Is there an issue with Zebra+IP address changes? Because the DEV machine was setup with a different static IP 06:58 Susan Thanks :) 06:59 chris hmm check your koha-conf.xml 07:00 Susan I have already. I changed it to the correct static ip and restarted apache 07:00 Susan I am really unsure of how to proceed with this. It would be too much to re-install koha/everything on this Test machine.. 07:01 chris not the apache config 07:01 chris you koha-conf.xml 07:01 Susan the /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 07:01 Susan Yes I have done that.. 07:01 chris cool, and is zebra listening on a unix socket, or on an port? 07:02 Susan This I have no clue..sorry..I don't remember how I setup zebra 07:02 Susan I just followed a tutorial document of how to set it up, how do I know? 07:03 chris look for this line 07:03 chris <listen id="biblioserver" >unix:/home/chris/koha-dev/var/run/zebradb/bibliosocket</listen> 07:03 Susan in the koha-config.xml file?? 07:03 chris (it wont be that exactly, but something similair) 07:03 chris yes 07:04 Susan ok let me see 07:04 chris sorry one handed typing whle i hold a baby 07:04 Susan hehe its alright, Thanks though :) 07:04 Susan it says unix: 07:05 Susan unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket 07:06 chris ok cool that looks good 07:06 chris now at the commandline 07:06 chris type 07:06 chris yaz-client 07:06 Susan ok 07:06 chris then 07:06 chris when you are in yaz 07:07 chris open unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket 07:07 Susan I have to install yaz..I dont seem to have it 07:07 Susan the yaz client anyways 07:08 chris ahh 07:08 chris one thing we can check is /var/log/koha/ 07:08 chris is there anything in there? 07:09 chris we are looking for the zebra log file 07:09 Susan The client it is searching on is different IP 07:10 Susan [error][client 172.21.255.13] search.pl stuff....XXX 07:10 Susan But the machine static IP ends with 25 07:10 Susan meaning thats the issue right? 07:10 Susan But I don't know what it means by "Client", is that the Yaz client? 07:11 chris well no thats the apache log 07:11 Susan This is the koha-error_log 07:11 chris yeah, thats apache 07:11 Susan so, how do you recommend I proceed? STill install yaz client and look into the port? 07:11 chris is there a somethingsomething-zebra log 07:11 Susan Yes I will open it now 07:11 chris cool 07:12 chris you can do 07:12 chris tail -f thatfile 07:12 chris then do a search on the website, and see what happens 07:13 Susan I am looking at the koha-zebradaemon-output.log 07:13 Susan is that the right file? 07:13 chris should be 07:14 chris when you search does anything happen in there/ 07:14 Susan There are many issues I see. 07:14 Susan There is zebra_lock_create fail on the file biblios/norm and biblios/shadow.. 07:14 Susan But I don't understand why that is, since everything I run is sudo 07:15 chris ahhhh 07:15 Susan I like seeing Ahh 07:15 Susan hehe 07:15 Susan what do I do now? :) 07:15 chris you might run as sudo 07:16 chris but the script to start it is trying to run as the koha user 07:16 chris gotta go change a nappy be back in a minute 07:16 Susan I see..so should I then startup Zebra and zebra daemon as Koha user? 07:16 Susan ok 07:16 chris well it will be trying to start as them 07:16 chris if yo uare using the scripts in in /etc/init.d 07:17 chris but when you indexed it might have made the files to be owned by root 07:17 chris brb 07:17 Susan ok 07:23 Susan Thank you Chris. I got it fixed. Your a genius :)3 07:23 Susan Good luck with the baby 07:25 chris cool, nappy changed, and the 3 year old is now ready for bed .. the 4 month old is falling asleep too .. in 20 more minutes i will have some peace hehe 07:25 chris glad it works now 07:26 Susan Thanks alot :) 07:26 Susan appreciate it 07:26 chris just out of curiousity where in the world are you? europe? 07:33 Susan sorry for the dleay 07:33 Susan I am in the Middle east 07:33 Susan Abu Dhabi actually :) 07:35 Amit hi paul 07:43 chris ahh cool Susan :) sorry i was putting my son to bed 07:46 Susan no worries 07:46 Susan I am at work, and I am using the web client not the MIRC..so i don't really know when there is a new message 07:46 Susan so I will be delayed also hehe 07:49 chris hi biblibre :) 07:51 Susan Thx for the help, I will go now. Bye 07:51 chris nahuel: all ready for the code run? 07:51 nahuel yap 07:51 nahuel it's time to begin 07:52 chris have fun :) 07:52 nahuel you're going to bed ? 07:52 chris not for a few more hours 07:53 nahuel ok 07:59 chris hi Colin 07:59 Colin Morning (or is it evening?) Chris 08:00 chris evening for me 08:04 chris hi hdl_laptop 08:04 hdl_laptop hi 08:18 chris hdl_laptop1: i just committed some more fixes to the virtualshelves test 08:19 hdl_laptop1 are you asking me to test ? 08:20 chris nope, just letting you know that you might wnat to pull from my branch at some point :) 08:21 hdl_laptop1 ok. Will do 08:46 chris hi nicomo_laptop 08:47 nicomo_laptop hi chris 08:50 kf good morning nicomo 08:58 nicomo_laptop hi kf, hi all 10:09 kf back :) 10:09 chris :) 10:10 kf dont know what happened, was not able to reconnect for some time 10:11 chris hmm my norwegian isnt good enough to read this, hopefully google can help :) 10:15 chris i love google translate 10:20 chris magnusenger: very good blog post 10:21 magnusenger thanks! I just read the google translated version, and it looks sort of ok, actually 10:21 magnusenger not perfect, but probably understandable 10:21 magnusenger the post is intended as a "review" of what is going on, aimed at noregian librarians and others interested in koha 10:21 chris yep, few words that are not right, but enough that you can understand it 10:22 chris *nod* 10:24 kf German is cruel 10:26 magnusenger kf: how so? 10:26 kf cruel is perhaps not the right word, its not understandable in German with google translate 10:26 kf English is much better 10:27 magnusenger ah 10:34 magnusenger by the way: i tried to learn German for 4 years in school so i'll agree that it's cruel in general... ;-) 10:39 kf Im glad I did not have to 'learn' it. I think it must be really difficult 10:39 Ropuch Nah, all my friends that actually speak german are saying that it has quite simple grammar 10:39 Ropuch They're complaining more about learning french 10:45 kf cant tell, tried to learn Russian and Japanese 10:48 kf but not very successful ;) 10:51 chris i only know maori and english 10:51 chris and little bits of other languages from travelling 10:54 Ropuch I'm to be sent to some DAAD german course this year, so then i can tell you how hard is to learn german ;> 11:07 chris i suspect polish is hard to learn too ;) 11:11 gmcharlt good morning 11:12 Ropuch Hello 11:12 chris hey there gmcharlt 11:36 Amit chris: one more century from Sachin Tendulkar 11:36 chris yes 197-1 11:37 chris could be 310+ 11:47 chris hi jwagner 11:51 jwagner Good morning (or evening) chris! 11:52 kf hi jawagner 11:53 jwagner hi kf 11:53 jwagner Looks like I missed all the fun on Friday :-( (blarsted site visites....) 11:54 chris im sure the 'fun' will continue 11:54 chris a public git repo would end it all, and i would be ecstatic ... dreams are free huh 11:54 jwagner Well, tomorrow's meeting should be interesting anyway. 11:55 chris yep 11:58 hdl_laptop1 hi gmcharlt 11:58 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop1 11:58 chris hiya hedgesst 11:58 hedgesst hi chris! 11:59 chris how are things going hedgesst 11:59 chris ? 11:59 hedgesst ok, another week begins... 11:59 chris heh yep, already one day down for me 12:00 hedgesst today's task is to get dimdim setup for a webinar on Friday 12:02 chris ahh good luck 12:02 hedgesst I like your shirt: http://www.cafepress.com/justobey.407428972 12:03 kf does someone know a trick to get pootle to search for copy cataloging? (result contains copy and cataloging or better "copy cataloging"?) 12:03 chris :) gotta get your laughs where you can 12:05 * jdavidb must get one of those shirts... 12:05 chris hedgesst: ive heard good things about dimdim but have never tried it 12:05 chris kf: i dont sorry 12:07 kf chris: no problem, just finished translation, but I found a better translation for copy cataloging and cant find them now :( 12:10 Amit hi galen 12:10 gmcharlt hi Amit 12:11 chris right it must be bed time, have a good day all and Illegitimi non carborundum 12:11 hdl_laptop1 gmcharlt: I made up a CodeRunBase Branch 12:12 hdl_laptop1 good night to you chris 12:12 gmcharlt g'night chris 12:12 gmcharlt hdl_laptop1: cool - let me know whenever you want me to pull from it 12:12 hdl_laptop1 not until Thursday. 12:13 gmcharlt k 12:13 hdl_laptop1 Will try and announce that on koha-devel 12:21 chris_n gmcharlt: did you see my patch correcting the labels css location we spoke of? 12:22 gmcharlt chris_n: yep, looks fine 12:22 chris_n great 12:23 chris_n I'm hoping to get some work in on the patron card code this week 12:23 Mark__T Hi, I'm thinking about some 'distributed' library thing and wonder if koha can be used for that. 12:24 hdl_laptop1 can you detail ? 12:24 Mark__T The idea is that there is no physical library, but patrons hold the book until someone else wants them 12:25 Mark__T so patrons will be owners and location of books 12:27 Mark__T I need to figure out the details, but that's the rough idea 12:28 Mark__T so if someone wnat's a book he can 'order' it, and it get's send to him by the guy who has it or he just picks it up at the other guys location 12:35 gmcharlt Mark__T: how many patrons would be involved? I can see extending Koha's hold request system to do this 12:36 Mark__T gmcharlt: I think not too many, that is way less than 1000 12:37 Mark__T but you never know what happens if you start such thing, you can end up with only 10 or with 10000 of people 12:49 jdavidb Howdy, Owen. :) 12:49 owen Hi 12:49 Mark__T oh, btw, koha exclusivly works with mysql? 12:49 owen I'm back for more. 12:50 jdavidb Hm. I have a little enhancement one of our customers wants, and I'm thinking of making it a general Koha bugzilla, and tossing it over the wall. 12:51 owen Mark__T: At the moment koha is exclusively mysql, but work is being done to make it more database-independent (by some postgres fans) 12:52 gmcharlt jdavidb: go for it - what is the enh? 12:52 jdavidb The syspref AutoEmailPrimaryAddress seems to be where you set what email address to use as "primary," but C4::Letters::_send_message_by_email does not obey it. Our customer fills in emailpro, but not email. 12:53 jdavidb So, all their email notices get failed for want of address. 12:53 gmcharlt so enh would be to allow specifying a hierarchy of patron email addy fields to try? 12:54 jdavidb My thinking is to make it obey the syspref. If the field selected in the syspref is not an email, it'll still fail. Long-term, it'd be nice to have a user-definable hierarchy. 12:56 owen it's kind of a mystery to me why we have multiple email fields. 12:57 jdavidb A couple of lines of code right before the second unless clause in _send_message_by_email, and a change to the unless, would be all that's needed to make it obey the preference. Not a perfect fix, but it'd work for the time being. 12:58 jwagner Question on statistics -- does anyone know if checkouts etc. done through the web self-check are logged differently? Is it possible to collect stats on how much use the web self-check gets? 12:59 jdavidb (and the customer seemed to think it *should* work that way, when they set up the preference.) 13:00 gmcharlt jdavidb: making it obey the syspref is reasonable for a first step 13:01 gmcharlt jwagner: they're not currently logged any differently IIRC 13:01 jdavidb Okay. I'll bugzilla that, then, and get a patch thrown this morning for it. 13:01 jwagner gmcharlt, I was afraid of that. Thanks. 13:03 owen Is it still the case that renewals made from the OPAC are recorded in statistics without a branch? 13:07 owen Hi biglego 13:08 biglego morning owen 13:09 owen What brings you to #koha this morning? 13:09 biglego drama 13:09 owen Well, we'd love to get your opinion 13:12 biglego I'm aghast that we have a company that has made valuable additions to koha that does not seem to understand their actions are against most peoples arguments for an oss library system 13:22 owen nahuel: Thanks for your "highlight" patch. That bothered me as well :) 13:23 nahuel hehe, but it still have some problems 13:23 nahuel but it's better 13:23 nahuel Like for item's summary... we cannot exclude fields "titles" 13:24 nahuel or we have to include data result in span class="dataresult" 13:24 nahuel or something like 13:24 nahuel (don't know if you see what I mean) 13:24 owen yes I do 13:26 gmcharlt nahuel++ # I agree a new span and CSS class would make it easier 13:26 paul_p (nahuel away for some cigarette :( ) 13:27 gmcharlt cigarettes-- 13:28 paul_p gmcharlt: this week, jeanandre is working on an Offline circulation Firefox module 13:28 paul_p (I mean Kivutar) 13:28 gmcharlt cool 13:29 paul_p hdl & matts are working on BibLibre integration branch, nahuel & me on new_acq branch, Laurence on finding bugs & translating, and nicolas on many various things (including boring us about ergonomy ;-) ) 13:33 kf sounds like you have a lot of fun ;) 13:35 jdavidb welcome back, biglego. Again. :) 13:36 biglego sorry trying to edit too big a marc file in my vm, made it kinda choppy 13:41 kf would it be very difficult to make messaging follog the calendar? (notices are sent on holidays atm) 13:43 jdavidb kf: you know, just at first glance, I don't think it would be that hard. Something in process_message_queue that would just cause the program to end on a calendar holiday... 13:43 kf just thinking if I can do that... but perhaps its too complicated. but there must be already code for holiday in other parts of koha 13:43 jdavidb C4::Calendar::isHoliday, maybe. 13:45 jdavidb Feed it the system date, and if today is a holiday, don't send notices. That might work. But the logic of doing that is unclear--if, for some reason, the system generates a notice on a holiday, why *not* send it out ASAP? 13:45 jdavidb 'specially if you're sending out advance or predue notices. 13:46 kf we want to set the notice when the fine is set 13:46 kf and fines should never be set on holidays 13:46 kf I think notices are handled differently in Germany than anywhere else - at least I got this impression 13:47 jdavidb It may be a non-issue, then...if no fine is set, and notices are predicated on that, then no notices will be dropped in message_queue. 13:47 kf you can use FinesCalendar with noFinesWhenClosed, but there is no option for the notices 13:47 jdavidb A new syspref, maybe noNoticesWhenClosed? 13:47 kf I think notices and fines are not related to each other now 13:48 jdavidb Correct; they are not. 13:48 jdavidb There are several processes that can toss a notice into the message_queue; the fines cron is not one of those, unless I'm missing something. 13:49 kf perhaps I need to investigate it a bit more 13:50 jdavidb We've got an enhancement here to send out billing notices--when a user owes more than ($<foo>), then send a letter to them. Still being refined. (we're also using that as a trigger to debt-collection processing) 13:50 kf I thought fines cron does set fines and overdue_notices.pl creates the messages 13:50 jdavidb It may be, kf, that the billing-notice enhancement is something that will be useful to you. 13:51 kf jdavidb: yes, it sounds like it could be used for notices 13:51 jdavidb overdue_notices.pl doesn't talk about the fines; it just lets the user know that items are overdue, IIRC. 13:52 kf ok, perhaps some more testing will help, but notices testing needs some patience. 13:52 jdavidb Yes, it does. It can get a little tiresome. 13:53 jdavidb Keep an eye on the patches list for the billing-notice enhancement. I am hoping to finally get a few more of these enhancements we've got over the wall in the next couple of weeks. 13:53 kf I only now, that it sent out notices on sunday, which was not what I expected or wanted it to do ;) 13:54 kf ok, will watch out for it, thx jdavidb 13:54 jdavidb sure thing. :) 13:54 jdavidb global_community++ 13:56 Colin kf: Isnt it just a matter of not running overdue_notices on a Sunday, or am I missing something? 13:58 kf no, I think we will end up with that 13:58 kf but what about holidays? 13:59 kf the weekends are not the problem, but other holidays 13:59 kf we will use Koha for a Hebrew library and they have a lot of holidays 13:59 hdl_laptop1 kf you can parametrize that in crojob 14:00 kf ah, I didnt know that 14:00 hdl_laptop1 you can tell on which days you send overdues 14:00 kf week days I knew, but can I tell him exceptions for special dates? 14:01 kf him = it 14:01 hdl_laptop1 mmm no. 14:02 Colin It gets messy. You need to reflect the library calendar not the one on the wall 14:02 kf yes, would be the best solution 14:03 kf will try to write a bug for it, but dont know exactly how its supposed to work now 14:07 jdavidb Some things, you'd *want* to go out on a holiday, like an advance notice for something due the day after the holiday. 14:08 Colin possibly a wrapper script that checks the holidays before running the overdues...thinking aloud 14:09 jdavidb See, that's what I was thinking, Colin...just pump the system date into C4::Calendar::isHoliday, and if it comes back true, don't do anything. But that might not be the whole right answer. 14:12 jdavidb If you set up a syspref noNoticesOnHolidays, then if that is on, do the holiday check, and check on the letter_code in the message queue against a list of what you do or don't want to send in another syspref... That's a little bit of tinkering to C4::Letters::SendQueuedMessages, but not much. 14:56 rhcl Perrier w/ Lime - It's what's for breakfast. 14:58 chris_n regexp gurus: why does: [-a-zA-Z]? not match CD-ROM while [-a-zA-Z] does? 15:01 gmcharlt chris_n: first form works for me: perl -e 'print "matched\n" if "CD-ROM" =~ /[-a-zA-Z]?/'; 15:14 kf chris_n: wher is the difference? 15:17 kf Colin, jdavidb: thx, just came back from an unexpected meeting. sounds too complicated for doing it myself, so I will start with a bug report / enhancement request first. thx for the hints! 15:18 chris_n kf: ? matches 0 or 1 time any chars of the preceding group 15:19 kf ah, thx 15:21 chris_n which was the problem btw... it needs to be * 15:21 chris_n tnx gmcharlt, kf 15:47 schuster nicole around? 15:47 schuster Anyone have a current email for her? 15:48 schuster I know how I can find it thanks... 16:01 chris_n gmcharlt: please ignore my erroneous re-submission of the css patch along with my bug 2500 patch 16:01 munin` 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger@foundations.edu, ASSIGNED, Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm 16:01 gmcharlt chris_n: ok 16:25 * chris_n 's stomach drives him away from the keyboard 16:34 wizzyrea ohhh is the foundation meeting today US time? 16:34 wizzyrea or properly tomorrow? 16:35 jdavidb tomorrow. :) 16:35 owen http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2009-09-15%2019:00%20UTC+0 16:39 wizzyrea thanks, owen :) owen++ 16:47 kf time to go home - bye #koha 16:50 Ropuch By 16:50 Ropuch e 16:56 pianohacker Bye 18:35 wizzyrea very quiet. 18:37 jwagner wizzyrea, shhhhh -- don't wake sleeping grumbles.... 18:37 Ropuch ;> 18:43 wizzyrea ORITE. Sorry. 18:43 * wizzyrea tiptoes away 18:44 jwagner But since you ask....Is anyone making a link from Koha to SFX or another OpenURL resolver? I have a couple of ideas about how to do it, but wanted to see if someone else has already solved the problem. 18:46 gmcharlt jwagner: there's partial support already via COinS 18:47 jwagner gmcharlt, yes they're using COinS, but if I understand it correctly, that requires having the browser plugin loaded. They want a link available for anyone regardless. 18:47 jwagner I was thinking about wrapping the SFX URL and search syntax around the ISSN/ISBN fields in the XSLT files. 18:48 gmcharlt well, in principle the really quick hackish way to do it would be to generalize the COinS support to allow specifying a base URL for your resolver 18:49 jwagner I'm lost already :-( 18:51 gmcharlt don't worry, you can also do it via the XSLT stylesheet as you suggested 18:51 chris morning 18:51 chris_n hi chris 18:52 * chris_n wonders what the correct scale factor for M$ time is 18:52 chris_n "26 seconds left" has been showing for the past 5 minutes now 18:53 owen Your process keeps discovering new things it has to do which will take exactly one second. 18:53 chris_n oh good... now its only 23 seconds 18:53 chris_n lol :-) 18:55 ColinC Knew a lib onve that used to start saying you have minus 5 minutes left 18:56 ColinC onve/once it did time not spelling 18:58 Ropuch lc 19:10 chris heya sekjal, migration sorted? 19:11 sekjal it seems to be doing okay 19:11 sekjal did a data reload this last weekend 19:12 sekjal got my old system's record numbers injected into the MARC, as well as fixed a dumb error on my XSLT's part that put our bound journals VOL/NO info in the wrong field 19:13 sekjal have to do another load of patron attribute data, though; some unique identifiers were getting repeated (bad incoming data) 19:13 sekjal chris: how was your weekend? 19:13 chris ahh sounds familair 19:14 chris sekjal: hmmm interesting :) .. you know the curse "may you live in interesting times" :) 19:14 chris some fun bits though 19:14 sekjal oh, good 19:15 sekjal I kept up with the news on Twitter and the listserv... interesting indeed 19:15 chris_n chris: when pushing to a public repo should one push master or the current working branch? 19:15 Ropuch "May you teach someone else children" ;> 19:16 chris chris_n: thats up to you really 19:16 sekjal is there a good place for me to go to learn how to set up a public git repo for my institution? 19:17 sekjal once we get on 3.2, we want to start developing 19:17 chris_n chris: so no "best practice" to avoid offending 19:17 chris chris_n: i do a bit of both 19:17 chris master mostly has 'completed' code 19:17 chris and branches for WIP 19:18 chris which i push, then merge into master and push master too 19:18 chris (when they are done) 19:18 chris sekjal: you have a few options 19:18 chris_n tnx 19:19 chris sekjal: you can do like gmcharlt and I have and set it up on a server under our control 19:19 chris or you could do what chris_n and pianohacker et al have done and use github 19:21 chris either way is actually pretty simple 19:21 sekjal chris: thanks, I'll start there. we don't currently use git, so I've got a little institutional inertia to overcome either way 19:21 chris http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html#setting-up-a-public-repository 19:21 chris if you want to do it on your own server 19:21 chris but yeah, starting with github is a good option 19:22 chris offsite back up right there 19:22 sekjal an attractive selling point 19:23 chris there is also http://gitorious.org/ 19:25 sekjal great. I'm very eager to get working on all the stuff my staff wants, and I think a large amount of it could be valuable to the community at large 19:25 chris awesome :-) 19:26 sekjal we need an electronic resources management system 19:26 sekjal that should make for a fun challenge 19:27 chris oh yeah, there is a killer app there ... if someone can write one that doesn't suck 19:28 sekjal yeah. we had on in our old ILS, but we never really got it working 100% 19:28 sekjal we coverage loaded our electronic journals holdings every month, but the quantity of new biblio records that that created overwhelmed cataloging 19:29 chris i can imagine 19:29 sekjal so we had a lot of stub records that just wound up suppressed 19:29 sekjal we had this idea to do bulk Z39.50 record pulling as part of the load, but never quite got it going 19:30 chris im sure its something almost all libraries would love 19:30 wizzyrea you mean something to manage digitization projects? 19:31 wizzyrea ERMS? 19:31 chris managing electronic serials (and other electronic resources) 19:31 wizzyrea or like, electronic course reserves 19:31 wizzyrea Ah right 19:31 wizzyrea yes, no one has gotten that quite right yet 19:32 sekjal my coworkers and I are researching the current state of things, and keeping a list of our own needs. 19:32 chris excellent 19:32 sekjal I want to be sure to get Koha community feedback, too, because I know other libraries manage their e-resources differently 19:33 chris you might want to write up an RFC on the wiki 19:33 chris and send a message to the list, hopefully that will stir some suggestions loose 19:34 sekjal I think I registered for the wiki already.... gotten check my email archive... 19:36 chris cool 19:40 sekjal we've got another idea for an 'analyzer' tool that would allow you to link biblio records together... might be a part of an ERM, might not 19:41 chris oh, i would love that ... so these 4 are representations of the same work? 19:42 sekjal it could be used for that, as well 19:42 sekjal we need it for providing monographic biblio records to individual issues of a serial 19:42 chris sweet 19:43 sekjal in our old system, we were allowed to link the item to two different bibs. this created no end of headache for me in the migration 19:43 chris id like to use it for linking the largeprint, talking book, hardcover and paper back of some harry potter book together (when they are different biblio records) 19:44 chris but yes definitely need it for monographic biblio records too 19:45 sekjal yeah, I'm a big FRBR fan. I'd like to see that, too 19:46 chris yep 19:46 chris it would make search results much nicer 19:49 sekjal It may also be useful for showing which journal titles are available full-text in a specific database 19:52 sekjal there! our library is now accounted for on the wiki 19:52 chris yay! 19:53 chris ok, been a good chat sekjal, but i have to go catch my bus now ... enjoy the rest of your day in case you are gone when i get back to a keyboard 19:53 * chris wanders off 19:53 sekjal cheers, chris! 20:06 cait_laptop hm testing lists in opac - seems that some strings are not translatable :( 20:06 cait_laptop <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="RequestOnOpac" -->$("#placehold").html("<a href=\"#\" class=\"hold tag_hides\">Place Hold<\/a>"); 20:07 owen That should be: <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="RequestOnOpac" -->$("#placehold").html("<a href=\"#\" class=\"hold tag_hides\">"+_("Place Hold")+"<\/a>"); 20:07 cait_laptop hm, is there an easy way to make it translatable? 20:07 cait_laptop ah thx owen 20:08 owen ...if I'm not mistaken 20:08 cait_laptop i can try it out 20:08 cait_laptop thx :) 20:09 Ropuch Hm 20:10 Ropuch I can't find authorities while cataloguing 20:10 Ropuch But searching in opac seems to be working 20:13 hdl_laptop yes owen 20:17 cait_laptop updating po-file now to see if it gets in there :) 20:26 cait_laptop owen: its listed in po-file now, but broken in opac :( 20:27 owen Is this on the search results page? 20:30 cait_laptop open a saved list in opac account - the file is opac-shelves 20:31 cait_laptop I got place hold working with: <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="RequestOnOpac" -->$("#placehold").html("<a href=\"#\" class=\"hold tag_hides\">"+_('Place Hold')+"<\/a>"); 20:32 cait_laptop but select all and clear all are still not translated 20:33 chris back 20:34 owen The same change must be made to those lines in the template. Would you like me to submit a patch for it? 20:34 cait_laptop hm let me try to do it 20:34 cait_laptop I think I found my mistake now 20:34 cait_laptop should I add a bug for that or just send a patch? 20:35 owen The formal procedure would be to add a bug report, attach the patch file to the bug report, submit the patch, and mark the bug as "patch-sent" 20:35 cait_laptop ok, just thought because its just a small bug, but will do once I get everything working 20:36 chris if its small you can get away with just sending a patch, as long as the patch has enough detail in the commit message 20:36 chris (that's not gospel though, just my rule of thumb) 20:37 owen cait_laptop: Also check line 119 20:37 cait_laptop sigh, perhaps its just too late, whats wrong with that: 20:38 cait_laptop $("span.clearall").html("<a id=\"CheckNone\" href=\"#\">"+_('Clear All')+"<\/a>"); 20:39 owen Looks right to me cait_laptop 20:39 cait_laptop it is, the mistake was in another line - sorry 20:40 cait_laptop but everything seems to be working now, will add bug and send patch now - thx for your help owen, I think I will find more things that need to be added to translation, so I want to learn how to do it 20:40 chris yay for sending patches 20:41 cait_laptop chris: I promised you I would some day :) 20:41 chris :) 20:44 cait_laptop and its much more fun than learning for my distance study... 20:45 chris hehe i can imagine 20:50 chris awesome little exchange on the koha-patches mailing list 20:50 * chris tweets about it 20:51 richard hi 20:51 chris good morning richard 20:52 richard hi chris 20:52 pianohacker Hi, richard 20:52 richard hiya 20:54 chris how's things in katipo land? 20:54 richard busy doijg quotes - not the most enjoyable thing but hopefully keeps the bread on the table 20:54 richard doing quotes evern 20:54 chris :) 21:03 chris michael_hafen++ 21:12 cait_laptop patch sent, good night #koha :) 21:13 Ropuch Hm, i've got some authorities' search problem with 3.00.03 21:13 Ropuch 22:47:56-14/09 zebrasrv(14) [request] Search authorities ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @attr "1=Heading" @attr 7=1 0 @and @attr 5=100 @attr "1=authtype" GEOGR_NAME @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 @attr "1=Heading-Main" Germany 21:14 Ropuch I've copied the C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm from 3.00.02 and problem disappeared 21:14 chris ohh interesting 21:15 chris can you do me a favour Ropuch? 21:15 Ropuch Shhot 21:15 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha-maintenance.git;a=summary 21:15 chris can you grab the AuthoritiesMarc.pm 21:15 chris from there, and see if the problem comes back? 21:15 chris (that is what will be 3.0.4) 21:16 Ropuch sure 21:16 chris http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha-maintenance.git;a=blob_plain;f=C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm;hb=8133397f728d69daa11b31c172633e862d59d2c4 21:16 chris should get it 21:16 chris if it does, we will need to make sure we fix it 21:16 Ropuch w8 21:19 hdl_laptop Ropuch are you MARC21 or UNIMARC ? 21:19 Ropuch Marc21 21:19 Ropuch And the one from 3.04 is not working 21:19 chris right thank you 21:20 Ropuch HM, i have 3.00.02.012 21:20 Ropuch But I;m sure i've just installed 3.00.03 21:20 hdl_laptop it is right. 21:21 hdl_laptop Are you using grs or dom indexing ? 21:21 rhcl chris: how can I follow your tweets (tweet ID)? 21:21 Ropuch grs 21:22 chris rhcl: http://twitter.com/ranginui 21:22 chris or on identica 21:22 hdl_laptop you should have Heading-Main in your record.abs for all $a subfields of headings 21:22 chris http://identi.ca/ranginui/ 21:22 chris which is free software, and breaks way way less than twitter :) 21:22 hdl_laptop chris can you update taht ? 21:22 chris will do 21:23 chris im not sure what i need to update tho? 21:25 Ropuch Hm 21:25 chris etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities/record.abs ? 21:25 chris change this line 21:25 chris melm 100 Personal-name:w,Personal-name:p,Personal-name:s,Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s 21:26 chris from Heading to Heading-Main ... is that right hdl_laptop ? 21:26 hdl_laptop not exactly 21:27 hdl_laptop add melm 100$a Personal-name:w,Personal-name:p,Personal-name:s,Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s,Heading-Main:w,Heading-Main:p,Heading-Main:s 21:27 hdl_laptop if doesnot exist 21:27 chris ahhh right and for all the $a ones? 21:29 hdl_laptop yes if you can 21:29 hdl_laptop mmm.. for all the headings $a. 21:30 hdl_laptop Maybe it doesnot quite make sense for MARC21, but for Unimarc it is really important 21:30 chris ok doing that now 21:30 Ropuch Can I switch from grs to dom? 21:30 hdl_laptop and anyway, if users want to specify some $a they will be able to do so 21:31 chris Ropuch: when i have finished i will show you where you can get the record.abs file from, and that will hopefully fix it for you 21:31 hdl_laptop Ropuch: I would not advise you to do so 21:31 hdl_laptop Ropuch: But you will have to reindex your ahtorities 21:32 Ropuch Funny thing is test install on my laptop is working just fine 21:33 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities/record.abs;hb=f1c43f382d1e000aedeb5edc0b3737a38b715e93 21:33 chris hdl_laptop: committed now 21:36 hdl_laptop thanks 21:37 hdl_laptop pushed on koha-maintenance 21:37 hdl_laptop chris have you tried to update 3.0 ? 21:37 hdl_laptop (translation i mean) 21:39 chris nope, i will do that tonight, i think we are not going to be making any big template changes now 21:44 hdl_laptop So do I. 21:45 hdl_laptop Thanks a lot for your help. 21:45 chris no problem 21:53 Ropuch Is there a way to serach by rejected form of authorities? 21:54 chris not sure i understand you 21:54 chris hi Nate 21:54 Ropuch I'd like an user to be able to find books on United States after typing USA for example 21:54 chris ahhh 21:54 chris in that case, i dont know ;) 21:54 Nate hey chris! 21:54 Ropuch [; 21:54 Ropuch I think somebody has asked about this on the list 21:55 hdl_laptop Ropuch: Yes : search Everywhere on the authority 21:55 hdl_laptop There is a patch for that in 3.0.4 21:55 Ropuch Can't wait [; 21:56 Ropuch I mean: can't wait to see 3.0.4 22:08 hdl_laptop Ropuch: you can then take koha-maintenance/master branch if you canno wait 22:13 Ropuch I will wait 22:14 hdl_laptop Sorry I took that 1st degree ;) 22:14 Ropuch I need koha up and running in 2 weeks - i don't have time and skills (almost read perl tutorial ;-) to mess around with code 22:15 Ropuch And our IT pretty busy with other things right now 22:24 Ropuch Good night 22:24 chris night Ropuch 22:25 chris Do widzenia 22:44 brendan see you in a bit #koha 22:45 chris cya brendan 23:08 brendan ah nice -- made it back home - ready for some MNF 23:08 brendan american MNF that is 23:09 chris :) 23:09 chris who is playing? 23:12 brendan Patriots (m team) and the Bills 23:13 chris ahhh 23:13 brendan wearing throwbacks jerseys looks excellent in HD 23:32 richard weird - http://libwww.freelibrary.org/closing/ 23:34 chris yeah thats mental