Time  Nick            Message
01:16 chris           @gcalc 120kmph in mph
01:16 munin           chris: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
01:16 chris           @gcalc 120km in miles
01:17 munin           chris: 120 kilometers = 74.5645431 miles
01:55 chris_n2-away   @gcalc 7688.92 miles in kilometers
01:55 munin           chris_n2-away: 7 688.92 miles = 12 374.1173 kilometers
01:56 * chris_n2-away realizes that the ISS could cross the USA in ~1/2 sec
01:56 chris           :)
02:01 brendan         done traveling for the night :)
02:12 gmcharlt        brendan: good flight?
02:12 chris_n2-away   @random quote
02:12 munin           chris_n2-away: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, and Quote plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
02:13 gmcharlt        @quote random
02:13 brendan         ok flight -- lot's of turbulence
02:13 munin           gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
02:13 chris_n2-away   @random factoid
02:13 munin           chris_n2-away: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, and Quote plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
02:13 chris_n2-away   opps
02:13 chris_n2-away   @factoid random
02:13 munin           chris_n2-away: downloading the Perl source
02:13 chris_n2-away   hrmm
02:13 gmcharlt        @help Factoid
02:13 munin           gmcharlt: Error: There is no command "factoid".
02:13 gmcharlt        @list Factoid
02:13 munin           gmcharlt: Error: 'Factoid' is not a valid plugin.
02:13 gmcharlt        @list Factoids
02:13 munin           gmcharlt: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
02:14 chris_n2-away   ahh
02:14 gmcharlt        @random
02:14 munin           gmcharlt: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, and Quote plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
02:14 chris_n2-away   @factoids random
02:14 gmcharlt        @random Factoid
02:14 munin           chris_n2-away: Error: I couldn't find a factoid.
02:14 munin           gmcharlt: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, and Quote plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
02:15 gmcharlt        @help info
02:16 munin           gmcharlt: (info [<channel>] <key>) -- Gives information about the factoid(s) associated with <key>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
02:16 gmcharlt        info koha
02:16 gmcharlt        @info koha
02:16 munin           gmcharlt: Error: No factoid matches that key.
02:16 chris_n2-away   hehe
02:16 gmcharlt        @learn koha http://www.koha.org/
02:16 munin           gmcharlt: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
02:16 chris_n2-away   @gcalc speed of light in furlongs per fortnight
02:16 munin           chris_n2-away: the speed of light = 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight
02:16 gmcharlt        @learn koha as http://www.koha.org/
02:16 munin           gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
02:16 gmcharlt        @info koha
02:16 munin           gmcharlt: Key "koha" is not locked and has 1 factoid associated with it: #1 was added by gmcharlt at 02:16 AM, August 31, 2009
02:16 gmcharlt        @factoid random
02:16 munin           gmcharlt: I suck
02:16 gmcharlt        @whatis koha
02:16 munin           gmcharlt: "koha" could be http://www.koha.org/
02:17 chris_n2-away   s/factoid/factoids/
02:17 gmcharlt        @factoids random
02:17 munin           gmcharlt: "koha": http://www.koha.org/
02:17 gmcharlt        heh
02:17 gmcharlt        g'night, all
02:17 chris_n2-away   @factoids learn the speed of light = 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight
02:17 munin           chris_n2-away: (factoids learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
02:17 gmcharlt        @later tell hdl_laptop back only middle of Monday US EDT
02:17 munin           gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
02:17 chris_n2-away   g'night gmcharlt
02:19 chris_n2-away   @factoids learn light-speed as 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight
02:19 munin           chris_n2-away: The operation succeeded.
02:19 chris_n2-away   @factoids random
02:19 munin           chris_n2-away: "light-speed": 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight; "koha": http://www.koha.org/
02:19 chris_n2-away   @whatis light-speed
02:19 munin           chris_n2-away: "light-speed" could be 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight
02:20 * chris_n2-away heads to off to a sleep cycle
02:21 chris_n2-away   one more for the record....
02:21 chris_n2-away   @gcalc 35 miles per gallon in rods per cup
02:21 munin           chris_n2-away: 35 miles per gallon = 700 rods per US cup
03:06 bigbrovar_      Hi guys am really new to koha (or in fact any library system) helping to setup one for my school's library. I have everything setup and running now ( koha 3.0). before i installed koha, the library kept a record of their books in openoffice spreadsheets..its a PITA  slow process but over time there have a huge collection now (we have small library) i was wondering if its possible to import this spreedsheet to koha.. of do they have to import the books one by
03:06 bigbrovar_      (real koha / library system noob here)
03:07 pianohacker     Hmm. If you export the spreadsheet as CSV
03:07 pianohacker     There are import tools
03:07 pianohacker     MarcEdit is what you want
03:07 pianohacker     (runs under Wine)
03:16 bigbrovar_      hmm
03:17 bigbrovar_      Marcedit ?
03:17 bigbrovar_      will google it
03:18 bigbrovar_      thnx .. how is your day going btw (4:17am here .. raining as hell)
07:31 chris           and we are back
07:34 SelfishMan      heh
07:35 SelfishMan      Any reason this channel isn't on one of the bigger networks like OFTC?
07:35 kf              good morning
07:35 hdl_laptop      SelfishMan: History
07:35 SelfishMan      ?
07:36 SelfishMan      good or bad?
07:36 hdl_laptop      there are pros and cons on either side
07:36 SelfishMan      true
07:44 chris           its been on here since 2000
07:44 nahuel          hi all
07:44 nahuel          :)
07:44 chris           hasnt been a compelling reason to move it
07:47 chris           hi nahuel
07:48 nahuel          what's up ?
07:52 chris           not the usual ... what's up with you?
07:52 chris           hmm just the usual i mean
07:52 chris           hi paul_p
07:55 paul_p          hi chris
08:01 hdl_laptop      chris: nahuel was asking about the #koha problem
08:01 hdl_laptop      i think
08:02 nahuel          Why don't we go to freenode ?
08:02 chris           why?
08:02 nahuel          More stable :)
08:02 nahuel          more generic
08:02 chris           hehe
08:02 chris           less stable
08:02 chris           but more generic
08:03 nahuel          less stable ?
08:03 chris           irc.katipo.co.nz has been running for 12 years
08:03 nahuel          with downtimes :)
08:03 chris           with very very few outages
08:03 chris           less than freenode
08:04 nahuel          hmmm, as I know biblibre and koha-fr gone to freenode because when I arrived at biblibre, there was lots of downtime
08:04 nahuel          "there were"
08:04 nahuel          was were ... anyway :p
08:06 chris           oftc might be an option
08:06 chris           speciallyf if we were to join SPI also
08:06 nahuel          Well, it's just an idea :)
08:06 nahuel          SPI ? what's that ?
08:08 chris           http://www.spi-inc.org/
08:08 chris           http://www.spi-inc.org/projects
08:10 nahuel          ho great
08:11 chris           http://www.oftc.net/oftc/
08:13 nahuel          :)
08:16 Amit            hi chris, brendan
08:17 chris           hi Amit
08:19 |Lupin|         good morning, everybody
08:19 |Lupin|         guten morgen kf
08:20 kf              guten morgen lupin
08:24 Amit            hi lupin, kf
08:28 kf              hi Amit
09:16 bigbrovar       .
09:16 |Lupin|         hello Amit
09:17 bigbrovar       hello guys
09:17 Amit            any one experience with biblios.net
09:18 hdl_laptop      Amit: it seems that you should drop a message to koha-devel or to biblios.net forum ;)
09:18 Amit            hdl: i have done but stuck on plugin
09:31 chris           for anyone who uses identica http://identi.ca/group/koha
09:35 bigbrovar       chris: might want to add the koha logo :)
09:36 chris           yep have done
11:56 chris           morning ptfs
11:56 Amit            hi jdavidb
11:57 jdavidb         Howdy, chris and Amit.  :)
11:57 chris           must mean its time for me to go to sleep
11:57 chris           g'night all
11:57 jdavidb         Probably so, yeah.
11:57 jdavidb         g'night, chris.  Sleep well!
12:03 jwagner         morning/g'night chris
12:09 chris_n         @wunder 28334
12:09 munin           chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 22.0�C (8:02 AM EDT on August 31, 2009). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
12:10 chris_n         how very mondayish
12:10 chris_n         g'morning
12:11 jdavidb         Morning, chris_n.
12:14 paul_p          hello USA ! good morning !
12:15 jwagner         Bonjour paul_p
12:15 chris_n         hi paul_p
12:19 jdavidb         Hi, paul_p! :)
12:19 chris_n         m$--
12:20 * chris_n       thinks win32 fails silently too often >:-(
12:21 * jdavidb       thinks win32 fails too often, period.
12:21 chris_n         that too
12:25 paul_p          shortest version: /me thinks win32 fails
12:25 paul_p          :D
12:28 * chris_n       notes how easy it is to break a window to start with
12:28 chris_n         what a name to choose for an os
12:39 chris_n         interesting post from eIFL.net
12:47 kf              gmcharlt: online?
13:17 schuster        Morning everyone!
13:23 owen            Hi schuster
13:25 jdavidb         Hi, schuster. :)
13:49 schuster        Joe Atzberger around?
13:54 owen            schuster: he goes by atz, so it doesn't look like it
13:56 chris_n         @factoids random
13:56 munin           chris_n: "light-speed": 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight; "koha": http://www.koha.org/
13:56 chris_n         @quote random
13:56 munin           chris_n: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 01:55 AM, June 12, 2009)
13:56 chris_n         heh
14:02 jdavidb         @quote random
14:02 munin           jdavidb: Quote #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine." (added by gmcharlt at 04:24 PM, August 06, 2009)
14:02 jdavidb         lol
14:08 owen            schuster++ for KohaCon videos!
14:10 schuster        http://www.archive.org/details/Kohacon09Marcedit - I got these uploaded this weekend.
14:11 schuster        http://www.archive.org/details/KohaconMysqlWithJoeAtzberger
14:11 schuster        I'm waiting for some tapes to be returned to me so that I can do the rest.
14:11 schuster        I'll get them posted on the wiki and an email to Discuss hopefully today.
14:11 jdavidb         schuster++
14:17 owen            Coming to us from Atlanta, brendan?
14:18 brendan         coming to you from Atlanta
14:18 brendan         morning owen
14:19 hdl_laptop      hi all
14:19 * owen          grumbles about the new "Clear screen" button on the circ page
14:19 brendan         hmmm...  why's that owen?
14:20 hdl_laptop      a simple clear would have been much simpler.... I think
14:20 owen            1. Because it's ugly. 2. Because you can click "check out" with no barcode and get the same result
14:20 brendan         I remember the clear screen button from my horizon days
14:21 brendan         wasn't sure if I used it then either
14:22 schuster        Must be in a newer patch as I don't have that yet.
14:22 schuster        In production that is.
14:22 owen            No schuster it was a recently approved patch
14:23 jdavidb         One of ours, I think.  an East Brunsick PL idea.  (ex-Horizon, sure 'nuf.)
14:23 schuster        Ah - someone indicated that several of the PTFS enhancements were in bugzilla - is there an easy way for me to find them?
14:24 jdavidb         jwagner as the filer, maybe?
14:29 * owen          should calm down about the button as it's controlled by a syspref
14:31 jdavidb         The patches we're doing--PTFS is very cognizant of the fact that EBPL is an odd library, and wants odd things.  Most everything substantial we're sending, and quite a lot of the little tweaky ones, will have a syspref.
14:48 kf              passwords in clear text is also a Horizon thing
14:48 kf              and really odd to want that back
14:50 jdavidb         kf:  I'm with you.  That's such a Spectacularly Bad Idea....
14:50 kf              are they no privacy laws that prevent that?
14:50 kf              they = there
14:51 jdavidb         No, unfortunately.  Not for passwords, anyway.
14:51 kf              I think our data protection officer would say thats not acceptible
14:53 jdavidb         I pitched a fit about it, but that's what they wanted.  Fortunately, probably, gmcharlt is gonna throw that one in the oubliette.
14:53 jdavidb         (So we'll have to maintain it.  But I'm okay with that.)
14:54 * owen          submits a patch to move the clear screen button: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=1090
14:59 kf              owen: looks nice now :)
15:08 * owen          is picky that way
15:11 ecorrado        jdavidb: East Brunswick as in East Brunswick, NJ?
15:11 jdavidb         ecorrado:  Yup.  That's them.  They've apparently been Horizon users a long, long time, and are pretty set in their ways.
15:12 jdavidb         Knowing that we're not ever gonna get Koha to be Just Like Horizon, we've managed to give them some things that made them a bit more comfortable.
15:12 ecorrado        jdavidb: I gre up in the next town over and worked in a nearby library for a bit. I am aware of them :-).
15:13 ecorrado        I heard they were lookign at Koha a while back... glad to see they went that way.
15:13 jdavidb         They're good folks, really, and want the best for their patrons.  I was astonished at how much holds traffic they have; they promoted use of holds a while back, and it caught on.
15:14 jdavidb         5000-ish circs a day, about 700 or so of which are holds fulfillment.  It's amazing.
15:14 ecorrado        jdavidb: I haven't been there for a while, but they were always recognized by the public as the best librry in the area.
15:15 ecorrado        I'm not surprised about the holds... my mom used to get them to hold the latest Steven King books before they came out and would be way down on the list.
15:16 jdavidb         On some new popular stuff, they're getting 20 and 30 copies, and running 150+ holds in the queue.
15:18 jdavidb         The patrons are pretty sophisticated, too...they get twitchy about any oddities on that holds queue.
15:20 jdavidb         Hi, gmcharlt!
15:20 gmcharlt        hi jdavidb
15:20 schuster        gmcharlt - heya!  we've been talking about you - ears burning?
15:20 schuster        (kidding sorta)
15:20 gmcharlt        heh
15:24 gmcharlt        so, any juicy gossip about me that I should know about? ;)
15:25 schuster        I hear you are implementing RDA for 3.2 - :0
15:25 gmcharlt        :)
15:25 jdavidb         No one has yet proven that you're Michael Jackson's love child, gmcharlt, but the jury is still out on that.  :P   And yeah, there's the RDA thing.
15:25 kf              hi gmcharlt
15:26 schuster        Are sounds still part of 3.2 circ?
15:26 kf              question: we want to try to send our first patch tomorrow - changes in xslt for detail and results to display ltr/rtl languages in 880 fields
15:26 gmcharlt        kf++
15:26 kf              I saw that jane wagner send a patch on this file wich isnt in git yet
15:27 gmcharlt        schuster: yes, there are a couple patches floating around that will be included
15:27 kf              will this be a problem? I think we will write a bug report tomorrow - but we have a little time problem, because I will be on vacation from wednesday to wednesday
15:29 kf              so we want to send it tomorrow (I hope I will be able to generate a patch file with git on my laptop...)
15:34 kf              gmcharlt: should we integrate janes changes in our file, although its not in git yet? she made xslt follow sysprefs in her patch
15:40 owen            Hi sekjal
15:40 sekjal          hello owen
15:44 kf              we will try and see what happens :) - good bye #koha!
16:18 owen            Watch out gmcharlt, paul_p is cracking the whip! :)
16:18 paul_p          owen: ??
16:18 * gmcharlt      cowers in fear
16:19 owen            "cracking the whip" meaning urging him to work harder ;)
16:19 paul_p          lol
16:19 paul_p          I realize my mail may let you think i'm upset. Just to be clear : that's not the case ! ;-)
16:20 gmcharlt        paul_p: no, it's fine
16:40 chris_n         gmcharlt: on a fresh install of 3.2 my browser says "production mode - trapped fatal error" and the logs say nothing... :-(
16:40 chris_n         any thoughts?
16:41 chris_n         hold on
16:41 chris_n         never mind...
16:42 * chris_n       has spent too many hours staring at the screen for his own good
16:42 chris_n         mainpage.pl: Bad arg length for Socket::pack_sockaddr_in, length is 0, should be 4 at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/Socket.pm line 214.
16:43 chris_n         anyone know what weirdness this is?
16:45 chris_n         3.0 works fine, 3.2 croaks with the above mentioned error
16:48 SelfishMan      Not certain but I'm betting an address/IP is missing from the config
16:50 chris_n         actually the config is correct
16:55 schuster        Anybody else notice that when an item is checked in after a transfer is returned current location is not updating?
16:55 schuster        Coming back to "homebranch".
17:01 chris_n         gmcharlt: should koha-conf.xml contain tags for memcached_servers and memcached_namespace if memcached option is not selected during install?
17:01 chris_n         SelfishMan: it appears you are correct
17:02 SelfishMan      The memcached stuff shouldn't matter
17:02 SelfishMan      It's been a while since I've played with that bit of code though
17:28 gmcharlt        chris_n: doesn't matter to me, really, although keeping them in there so that sysadmin knows that the option exists woudln't hurt
17:29 chris_n         gmcharlt: any thoughts on the Socket::pack_sockaddr_in weirdness I mention above?
17:29 chris_n         3.0 works fine... 3.2 blows chunks
17:30 chris_n         with the same config
17:30 gmcharlt        chris_n: check Michael's patch pushed yesterday
17:30 gmcharlt        does that help
17:30 gmcharlt        ?
17:30 * chris_n       looks
17:39 Sharon          I just realized I asked a question in #kohakansas, thinking I was in here...no wonder I didn't get an answer!
17:40 Sharon          Does the syspref TransfersMaxDaysWarning count business days or calendar days?
18:01 chris_n         *groan*
18:01 chris_n         gmcharlt: yup, that fixed it up
18:01 chris_n         tnx
18:01 chris_n         hi pianohacker
18:02 pianohacker     Hi, chris_n, gmcharlt
18:03 gmcharlt        hi pianohacker
18:29 * chris_n       notes the cool new progress indicator on stage-marc-import.pl
18:46 chris           ohh ill have to try that
18:47 chris           and sorry abot that memcached thing, and thanks to Michael for fixing it
18:48 jdavidb         You're up early, chris.
18:48 chris           btw chris_n .... if you are up for it, id be interested in some benchmarks from you before and after switching on memoize
18:48 chris           i got some pretty decent performance increase, would like to see how others get on
18:48 chris           that reminds me, i have to edit the INSTALL file
18:49 chris           jdavidb: yep trick is to get up before the household wakes up, that way i can grab a shower without a toddler trying to help
18:49 jdavidb         heheh...toddlers are so helpful!
18:52 chris           hdl_laptop: are you around?
18:52 chris_n         chris: I'll be glad to
18:54 chris           thanks chris_n
18:55 chris_n         I'm in the process of testing the merge of labels stuff into 3.2
18:55 chris           ahh sweet :)
18:55 * chris         is reading
18:55 chris           http://docmiop.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/un-entretien-avec-les-societes-prestataires-autour-de-koha/
18:55 chris           with the help of google translate
18:57 chris           ok breakfast time bbiab
19:04 baseballfreak47 So im installing Koha on this computer with ubuntu using this site: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu;h=69e7b6ac3b13a88e2ccdd85e1683794a7cdd9d47;hb=HEAD#l81 I have installed everything up to line 72 where it says, "Using the ubuntu.packages file included in the Koha source tree,    73 run the following:
19:04 baseballfreak47 $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages
19:05 baseballfreak47 i tried that and it didnt work any suggestions?
19:06 baseballfreak47 brb
19:06 pianohacker     What error did it give?
19:07 pianohacker     chris_n: around?
19:09 chris_n         here
19:10 pianohacker     Does your school do any print management? Trying to find an open-source print management tool without success
19:10 chris_n         we do
19:10 pianohacker     What do you use?
19:11 chris_n         currently I'm on a proprietary package, but I'm in the process of moving to an FOSS package... hold on
19:11 pianohacker     Okay. Thanks
19:16 chris_n         pianohacker: take a look at http://www.pykota.com/
19:16 chris_n         that is the comes the closest to matching what we currently run
19:17 brendan         does libki do any print management?
19:17 brendan         that kyle hall package for computer management IRC
19:20 sekjal          hey, brendan.  how was your flight?
19:21 chris           ohh i like this
19:21 chris           F.Démians : “Son inclusivité. La vraie richesse de Koha, c’est la communauté mondiale de ses utilisateurs et de ses développeurs, son ouverture à toute contribution, l’esprit de coopération qui anime ses membres”
19:21 chris           which google translate tells me is roughly
19:21 chris           What do you think are the main strengths of Koha?
19:21 pianohacker     pykota looks very, very nice.
19:21 brendan         flight was bumpy --
19:22 chris           F. Demians: "His inclusiveness. La vraie richesse de Koha, c'est la communauté mondiale de ses utilisateurs et de ses développeurs, son ouverture à toute contribution, l'esprit de coopération qui anime ses membres” The real wealth of Koha is the world community of its users and its developers, open to any contribution the cooperative spirit that animates its members "
19:22 chris           ohh remind not to paste from google translate again
19:23 chris_n         heh
19:23 pianohacker     We have been animated by spirits? Ghost-powered development for the win
19:23 chris           i think it means vodka
19:23 chris           :)
19:23 chris_n         pianohacker: I'm looking forward to getting it running here and getting off of the blackhole of closed source in that area as well
19:23 sekjal          brendan: sorry to hear that.  chris helped me get the circulation state script beaten into submission, and now its just looking at odd cases and trying to fix them
19:24 chris           ill have to get someone to translate it better, but i like the quote
19:24 * chris_n       feels very animated atm
19:24 chris           :)
19:25 pianohacker     Maybe someday in the far off future when I have some free time (ha), I can integrate powerline with pykota
19:25 chris           ok im off to work back in 50 mins
19:25 pianohacker     bye
19:25 chris           pianohacker: make it your dissertation :)
19:26 pianohacker     ooh
19:26 brendan         chris++
19:26 brendan         pianohacker sounds like a plan
19:26 pianohacker     Very much
19:27 chris_n         someone else was asking about enforcing print policies w/koha some time back
19:28 * chris_n       pokes his zebra
20:13 chris           back
20:14 kf              has someone time to answer a newbie git question? I managed to produce a patch :) but it was just a test - how can I get back now?
20:14 chris           get back from where? :)
20:14 * kf            searching for words
20:14 kf              to the state where I can produce this patch with updated files tomorrow at work?
20:14 chris           ahhh
20:15 kf              does not help that its late and my internet was down for hours ...
20:15 chris           so you have a commit that you don't want anymore?
20:15 kf              I think so
20:16 chris           did you make it on a branch, or did you make it on master?
20:16 kf              good question
20:16 kf              git branch tells me im on mywork
20:16 chris           all good then
20:17 chris           you can just go back to master, make a new branch, make your changes there
20:17 kf              ah ok
20:17 kf              but I loose my koha install from mywork branch this way?
20:17 chris           or you can revert the commit
20:18 chris           and you will be back where you were before
20:18 kf              is there an easy way to do this?
20:26 chris_n2-away   kf: 'git reset --soft HEAD' will take you back one commit, but not remove the work of your commit
20:26 chris           yeah, thats probably the nicest way, thanks chris_n
20:27 chris_n2-away   'git reset --hard HEAD' will take you back and remove your work as well
20:27 kf              thx, will try that!
20:28 kf              hm should the changed files change back?
20:29 kf              or how do I know it worked?
20:30 chris           git log
20:30 chris           should no longer show your commit
20:30 nengard         anyone who speaks French on?
20:31 chris           i used google translate nengard, it does an ok job, i think they are all asleep now
20:31 nengard         ahh
20:31 nengard         okay
20:32 kf              still shows
20:33 kf              hm
20:34 gmcharlt        kf: is your commit at the top?  if so
20:34 gmcharlt        git reset --hard HEAD^
20:34 gmcharlt        will get rid of it
20:34 gmcharlt        note the trailing ^
20:35 kf              I think it worked
20:38 sekjal          Did Koha 3.0.2 or 3.0.3 limit the number of rows that can be exported from a Guided Report?  After I upgraded, I'm getting capped at 10,000
20:39 chris           yep
20:39 chris           i have a fix for that half done
20:39 chris           that will respect the limit you specify in your sql
20:40 chris           (if no limit is set it will still cap at 9999)
20:40 chris           just as a backstop
20:40 chris           or a catcher as you guys say :)
20:41 chris           basically there is a bug in the code
20:41 chris           http://koha.pastebin.com/m6f98023f
20:42 chris           is the broken bit
20:42 chris           (that second regex)
20:43 chris           should be something more like
20:43 chris           $sql =~ s/\bLIMIT\b\s*(\d+)\,*(\s*\d+)?\s*/ /ig;
20:43 kf              chris chris_n gmcharlt: thx for the help! hope I can redo the patch tomorrow with the newer files.
20:44 chris           yay kf :)
20:44 sekjal          ah
20:45 kf              not my work sadly, I will just help to create the patch file.
20:45 chris           but that regexp isn't quite right either (it fails if you dont specify an offset and a limit)
20:45 chris           i hope to have some time today to fix it up and send a patch
20:45 chris           then you can do SELECT * FROM borrowers LIMIT 10000000000 if you so wish :)
20:46 kf              good night everybody!
20:47 chris           night kf
20:47 pianohacker     Good night
20:48 sekjal          cool, thanks chris.  my boss needs a certain report to load into our temporary course reserves solution, so I've got to figure out how to get it to him soon
20:50 schuster        I was able to find that bit of code and adjust the number 35000 until the patch comes through.
20:50 chris           yep thats a quick temp fix
20:50 chris           find the line that goes
20:51 chris           $limit  = 9999 unless $limit;
20:51 chris           in C4/Reports/Guided.pm
20:51 chris           and change that to some high number
20:51 schuster        :)
20:51 jwagner         chris, might it be a good idea to set a syspref for limit so that sites can specify their own & change as needed?
20:52 schuster        Cook - go for it jwagner! ;)
20:52 chris           that would work too, but if it respects the limit you specify on your query
20:52 chris           that would be better
20:52 chris           at the moment if you only want 10 .. you get 9999
20:53 chris           and if you change the syspref
20:53 chris           the person next to you who wants 700, now gets 10
20:53 jwagner         I'm thinking of people who may not know enough SQL to know how to specify a limit.  Syspref could be a fallback -- if there's a limit in the report SQL, use it, otherwise use syspref
20:54 schuster        I'm one of those who knows just enough to be dangerous!
20:55 schuster        Didn't know Limit existed until I ran a report and read chris' comment.
20:55 chris           thats what the limit catchall is for, so ppl dont do select * from biblio,items,borrowers;
20:55 chris           and asplode
20:56 sekjal          well that fixes my problem for today
21:01 schuster        yippie! I helped someone!
21:04 chris           :-)
21:04 chris           its a good feeling eh
21:07 pianohacker     Hmm. DNS for irc.katipo.co.nz is working for me
21:08 chris           yeah
21:08 chris           seems fine
21:20 schuster        see you all tomorrow!  off to American Football 8 year old practice
21:20 pianohacker     bye
21:30 chris           jerks--
21:30 chris           jerks--
21:30 chris           complete_tools--
21:32 pianohacker     chris: ?
21:33 chris           ahhh, ppl annoying me today
21:33 * chris         calms down :)
21:34 owen            Uh oh, what'd we miss?
21:35 gmcharlt        chris was on the bus, which was jerking him around ;)
21:36 chris           hehe
21:36 chris           actually yeah it was the whiplash bus again this morning
21:36 brendan         damn
21:36 * brendan       investigates helmets to purchase and send to NZ
21:37 brendan         err.. back braces
21:38 chris           a good bus mechanic might help more ;)
21:43 |Lupin|         hi
21:43 chris           hi |Lupin|
21:44 |Lupin|         hey chris, how is NZ ? how are you ?
21:44 chris           spring is here, the sun is shining, it's good
21:46 |Lupin|         yeah !
21:46 |Lupin|         here the wether is very nice, too
21:55 CGI426          librarian lurking
21:56 CGI426          surprised to see weather is "under dev"
21:57 chris           ?
21:57 CGI426          MT here
21:57 CGI426          guess...
21:58 CGI426          my login needs to be reset or you'd see me
21:58 chris           type /nick nickname
21:58 CGI426          Lee
21:58 chris           ahh heya :)
21:58 CGI426          smile
21:59 CGI426          so I really have a question for anyone
21:59 pianohacker     Okay
22:00 CGI426          working on a digital location
22:00 CGI426          virtual
22:00 CGI426          setting up a second library location in Koha
22:00 pianohacker     As in a library/branch, or a shelving location?
22:01 CGI426          can i change the location in admin to something other than stacks?
22:01 CGI426          since no digital object will be located in stacks
22:01 pianohacker     Usually shelving locations are set during cataloging
22:01 CGI426          stacks is the shelving location
22:02 CGI426          for our regular location
22:02 pianohacker     You set them up under Admin -> Authorized Values, then choose them when you catalog an item
22:02 CGI426          writing this down...
22:03 CGI426          thanks
22:03 pianohacker     Usually, though, if you're dealing with two entirely different kinds of items
22:03 pianohacker     You give them different item types
22:04 CGI426          the records are coming from OCLC
22:04 CGI426          we edit them with dublin core to reflect a digital object linked to a url
22:05 pianohacker     Okay
22:05 pianohacker     You can still set itemtypes on the individual items, rather than at the bib record level
22:05 CGI426          okay
22:06 CGI426          will that increase discoverability?
22:06 pianohacker     It's easier to search for different item types, yes
22:06 hdl_laptop      chris around ?
22:07 chris           sup hdl_laptop ?
22:07 hdl_laptop      hi
22:07 hdl_laptop      howdy ?
22:07 CGI426          thanks piano hacker
22:08 pianohacker     No problem
22:08 hdl_laptop      chris : I have a question about translation workflow, it seems that French po file is not the one that is now on pootle
22:09 chris           oh?
22:09 hdl_laptop      Is there something to do to check that so that it won't happen again ?
22:09 chris           i only push to 3.0.x from pootle
22:10 chris           basically if no one else pushes .po files then it wont happen
22:10 chris           ie, things should go into pootle, then into git .. not into git first
22:11 hdl_laptop      yes.
22:12 hdl_laptop      But the fact is that at the moment, i think that french translation is more up to date in pootle than on 3.0.x branch
22:14 hdl_laptop      At least, it is what I saw on our branch.
22:14 hdl_laptop      By the way, i have pushed a BIG couple of patches on koha-maintenance/reconciliation.
22:14 hdl_laptop      You can update.
22:14 chris           ta
22:15 hdl_laptop      I donot think strings will change a lot.
22:15 chris           hmm i just pushed to git recently
22:15 chris           ill do another push from pootle that will update what is in 3.0.x
22:15 hdl_laptop      I have taken that.
22:15 chris           it is much safer if we dont both try to push .po files
22:16 hdl_laptop      I saw you pushed two days ago.
22:16 chris           because we will clash with each other
22:16 hdl_laptop      now, I never push po files.
22:16 chris           cool
22:16 chris           i will do a new push
22:16 chris           2 secs
22:16 hdl_laptop      unless it comes from 3.0.x
22:18 chris           ?
22:19 chris           you push from 3.0.x to ?
22:23 chris           pushed from pootle
22:24 chris           http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=shortlog;h=3.0.x there we go
22:25 chris           hdl_laptop: did you see this too http://translate.koha.org/fr/opac3_1/
22:25 hdl_laptop      chris : thanks but staff need update too.
22:26 chris           not according to git it doesnt
22:27 chris           10:23 ~/git/koha-gitosis (3.0.x)$ diff misc/translator/po/fr-FR-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po  /var/lib/pootle/intranet3_0/fr/fr-FR-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po
22:27 chris           10:27 ~/git/koha-gitosis (3.0.x)$
22:27 chris           10:27 ~/git/koha-gitosis (3.0.x)$ git diff
22:27 chris           10:27 ~/git/koha-gitosis (3.0.x)$
22:27 chris           so whats in my git is the same as what is pootle and what is pushed up
22:29 * chris         is confused
22:33 hdl_laptop      mmmm... Maybe a little lack on one of our local branch
22:39 |Lupin|         good night, everybody
22:40 |Lupin|         good day NZ, chris...
22:44 gmcharlt        hi hdl_laptop
22:44 hdl_laptop      hi howdy ?
22:44 hdl_laptop      hi nahuel so late ????
22:45 brendan         well hdl_laptop  so late ?
22:45 hdl_laptop      I am quite accustomed to that ;)
22:45 hdl_laptop      Have to update some translation
22:45 brendan         :)
22:48 hdl_laptop      The plan about feature and topic branches seems really HEAVY work on bugfixes.
22:49 gmcharlt        hdl_laptop: yep - goal is a solid release, not a buggy one :)
22:49 hdl_laptop      But I agree it also is the only "sane" way to do.
22:50 hdl_laptop      gmcharlt: We may have one french Biblibrarian "hackfest" in the next few weeks.
22:50 gmcharlt        hdl_laptop: cool
22:51 hdl_laptop      Hopefully we can use that in that purpose.
22:51 hdl_laptop      gmcharlt: I also think that some features could quite easily be generalised :
22:51 hdl_laptop      extended_attributes
22:51 hdl_laptop      Matcher
22:52 hdl_laptop      any thoughts about that ?
22:53 hdl_laptop      (apart from well, let's first integrate those features wherever possible 1st, which would be also a reasonable opinion maybe the only one to have atm).
23:02 gmcharlt        Matcher & extended_attributes, sure, but priority should be bugfixing
23:02 chris           *nod*
23:04 brendan         bugfixing++
23:04 brendan         err bugfixing--
23:04 hdl_laptop      bugfixing++
23:04 gmcharlt        ?
23:04 gmcharlt        bugfixing++
23:04 brendan         just kidding
23:04 brendan         :)
23:05 hdl_laptop      bug-- fixing++
23:05 pianohacker     @karma bugfixing
23:05 munin           pianohacker: Karma for "bugfixing" has been increased 3 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 2.
23:05 hdl_laptop      I utterly agree on that.
23:11 hdl_laptop      gmcharlt: about the patches owen sends which load some jquery code into database, I see there an obvious problem for translation and internationalization.
23:12 hdl_laptop      Is that some issue you are considering ?
23:21 hdl_laptop      gmcharlt: I have pushed some patches from HEAD which could be fixing some issues and some of our bug fixes too onto reconciliation
23:40 gmcharlt        hdl_laptop: re jquery in DB - yes, there is a potential translation problem
23:40 gmcharlt        hdl_laptop: noted re the other patches
23:41 hdl_laptop      chris : az is for azerbaidjan code I gues
23:41 hdl_laptop      s
23:42 chris           that was my guess too
23:42 hdl_laptop      gmcharlt: I thought some of those translation problems could be avoided by a WebServices architecture.
23:43 hdl_laptop      But I have to work on xslt and columns.def translation
23:48 hdl_laptop      gmcharlt: chris : I have seen OPAC and Summary and HTML as Object Identifier for yaz. I think It could be a good way to take things out of Template Code if we would be able to use those IDs in order to get information.... For 4.0 :P
23:49 chris           not sure i understand you
23:49 gmcharlt        4.never :) the Z39.50 definitions are not a good basis IMO
23:49 gmcharlt        in any event, something to argue about later ;)
23:49 hdl_laptop      yes
23:51 hdl_laptop      gmcharlt: but it still could be a good canvas in order to design output formats : Summary, detail, HTML, ...
23:52 hdl_laptop      rather than copy/paste
23:52 chris           JSON
23:53 chris           and with that, im going to lunch
23:54 hdl_laptop      bon apetit.
23:54 hdl_laptop      gmcharlt: what would be the best base in your opinion ?
23:54 hdl_laptop      ccl ? CQL ?
23:54 hdl_laptop      WTFL ?
23:57 gmcharlt        lol
23:57 gmcharlt        honestly, I think simply enumerating and clearly definiing the current structure would be enough
23:59 hdl_laptop      mmmm....