Time Nick Message
21:12 |Lupin| ... and good night
21:08 |Lupin| hi again
20:57 rhcl I was following Richard Stallman for a couple of weeks, and he never said a word.
20:53 wizzyrea twhirl is my favorite client atm, you can do identi.ca and twitter on it simultaneously. but a lot of people like tweetdeck.
20:53 rhcl As much as I'm really into Linux and tech stuff, most people expect me to be really Web 2.0, but I'm not at all.
20:52 rhcl Now, were'd that d* think go to? Do you use a web browser?
20:52 rhcl Oh, well, then I'll fire up my twitterer thing right now.
20:51 chris har de ha ha
20:51 chris you arent following me then
20:51 rhcl nobody ever says anything I think is important
20:51 wizzyrea b/c web twitter is meh
20:50 wizzyrea ah. i've found that it's hard until you find a client you like
20:50 rhcl too much work, I have yet to get too enthused about twitter.
20:50 chris you can follow geonet on twitter :)
20:49 rhcl Somebody needs to set up munin to track earthquakes, like @felt earthquake NZ
20:49 chris he hates being woken up
20:49 wizzyrea cute
20:49 wizzyrea lol
20:49 chris and went back to sleep
20:49 chris wizzyrea: kahu said and i quote "HEY!! HEY!!!! MY SLEEPING!!!!"
20:48 richard it woke me up but i didn't realise it was an earthquake
20:48 wizzyrea chris: chillens get woken up/excited/upset?
20:48 chris rhcl: oh yeah we get a lot .. that one last night was the biggest jolt i have felt in a while tho, i sleep through most of them
20:47 chris :-)
20:47 wizzyrea it was just a new (for them) message. This is what I get when I leave my desk. Panic and mayhem.
20:46 wizzyrea do. not. panic. our situation was normal email operation
20:46 wizzyrea ok... the mail thing... lol
20:45 rhcl The Seismicity Map at the link above is pretty impressive.
20:45 chris on that map
20:45 chris we both live at about the top tip of the star
20:44 chris richard lives about 1 km away from me
20:43 rhcl chris was talking about it. How close were you to it?
20:42 richard i wondered what woke me up last night - http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/3145159g-maps.html
20:40 chris hiya richard
20:40 richard hi
20:39 chris that mail thing could be causing a bunch of mess
20:33 chris hmm yeah
20:25 pianohacker Sharon: It's probably related to the mail problems mentioned on the Koha list
20:25 owen See y'all later
20:23 Sharon well then I'll ask wizzyrea about it. Thanks! It's something new and it's clogging inboxes (or so I'm told)
20:23 pianohacker Sharon: That sounds like something generated by your mail server, rather than Koha itself
20:19 Sharon Question - is this koha-generated email something new. The subject line is: Delayed Mail (still being retried)
20:14 Sharon I think we whined until all itypes displayed in our catalog pull from the item record, not the bib.
20:13 Sharon owen we have a problem with bib level item types because in a consortium, libraries choose slightly different itypes (newbook v. book) for example
20:11 owen Okay.
20:10 gmcharlt item-type level holds no longer really exist; when they get rebuilt (stronger, and better!), can add back then
20:10 gmcharlt owen: the former
20:10 owen Better not to show the item type column at all, or to show the item-level item type only for waiting holds?
20:09 owen The display of holds on circulation.pl and moremember.pl includes a column for item type. Strictly speaking you can either display the bib-level item type or the item-level item type for *allocated* items.
20:00 owen Although, chatzilla++ for offering a way to link directly to a bugzilla database from "Bug XXX" mentions
20:00 owen Especially since I never seem to configure chatzilla to link to bugs properly on the first try
19:59 pianohacker gmcharlt++ (that bug lookup feature of munin is very helpful)
19:57 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3536 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt
19:57 Sharon owen bug 3536
19:53 pianohacker Good night
19:53 cait good night everybody :)
19:52 pianohacker See ya
19:52 * chris goes to catch his bus
19:52 chris <time>7.45<bus>4<whiplash>yes</whiplash></bus></time>
19:51 pianohacker It is fun. Hopefully my ever-so-slight abuse of it won't raise too many developer hackles :)
19:51 owen Hmf. I was about to say "that's not an enhancement" but I see that the the patch isn't really a fix.
19:50 chris i actaully like yaml
19:50 pianohacker Oh my. The data files for the new sysprefs editor are almost there; they're html in yaml in an html-template
19:49 chris i catalogue xml in yaml in xml in sgml in xml
19:49 Sharon give me a minute, I'll go look
19:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3514 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions
19:49 cait owen: perhaps @bug 3514
19:48 pianohacker But he's free to use whatever convoluted cataloging process he desires
19:48 pianohacker xml--
19:48 Sharon I think so
19:48 gmcharlt err, make that Koha is not (yet) the digital repo...
19:47 gmcharlt Koha is (not yet) the digital repository you are looking for
19:46 chris im glad pianohacker answered the xml cataloguing question, cos i didnt know where to start
19:44 owen Sharon: Is there a bug report for the transfers/holds problem you mentioned?
19:27 gmcharlt schuster: can't teach RDA yet, but you could go on and on about the debate ;)
19:27 schuster Gotta go sort some boxes...
19:26 schuster How can you teach it if there isn't any practicing by almost nobody on how to!
19:26 owen Holdses.
19:26 * owen realizes the checkout page has said "Holds(s)" probably since the release of Koha 3.
19:26 gmcharlt schuster: it's was more a case that the the professor doesn't want to teach the controversy just yet ;)
19:25 schuster that PS was for gmcharlt
19:25 Sharon cool. I like that there's going to be consistency.
19:25 schuster PS loved sitting in on your Cat class yesterday on facebook - funny... RDA - did they know what they were talking about or just throwing out something they had heard of... I'm still waiting to see what they do with RDA!
19:25 owen Sharon: That should still work.
19:25 pianohacker Sharon: She'll have to change the JavaScript, but I'd imagine it would still be possible
19:24 Sharon jquery
19:24 Sharon she's using whatever you shared at kohacon
19:24 schuster Great thanks gmcharlt - that's a big piece of code that I think librarians will love.
19:24 owen Sharon: Is she using Javascript to do that right now?
19:23 gmcharlt definitely will make it in for feature freeze
19:23 gmcharlt schuster: it's submitted, will be integrated
19:23 Sharon owen on 3106, will Liz still be able to hide the check in feature? It doesn't trigger transfers and holds correctly (yet)
19:23 cait perhaps search for asignee kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com
19:23 schuster chris_n good luck SUN burns XP... ;)
19:23 schuster Has anyone seen the ISBN 13 normalization type stuff come through? 10 digit and 13 digit searching interchangable - so that when you search a 13 it converts it to 10 to make sure you don't already have that book?
19:22 * chris_n tries to hammer xp pro into submission on sun vbox :-P
19:22 schuster Cool thanks pianohacker.
19:21 joetho and if I know where to start looking
19:21 joetho git.koha works kind of OK for me but only if I am looking for something very specific
19:21 pianohacker schuster: Mix of submitted, complete, and unfinished
19:21 schuster AH! - I have not looked at that lately are those enhancements to be done or complete can you search it easily?
19:21 chris_n EHLO
19:20 Sharon schuster PTFS put a lot of there enhancements in bugzilla
19:19 schuster I usually check git.koha.org to see the activity but sometimes those criptic programmer notes don't mean anything to me.
19:19 schuster ;) - so is there a list of PTFS enhancements?
19:18 chris git grep schuster
19:18 chris i bet i could find out, but it serves no purpose :)
19:18 schuster Easy to determine when someone adds, hard to find when someone removes!
19:18 schuster Lots of things got killed between 2.2.9... rrrr yes they even... too bad the code is gone no signature!
19:17 chris they even
19:17 chris and the need a kicking
19:17 schuster That isn't a column in my borrowers table.
19:17 cait I like the new country columns - my library asked for it and next day I got them :)
19:17 chris someone killed it between 2.2.9 and now
19:16 chris was a timestamp
19:16 pianohacker We might have to do something about the borrowers table. With the recent PTFS enhancements, we're getting into the 60-column range
19:16 chris last_modified
19:16 chris it did
19:16 schuster I see another enhancement request...
19:15 schuster drat...
19:14 cait pianohacker: thx for exlaining :)
19:12 pianohacker To be honest, I think some corporate legal battles might actually make more sense if conducted by first-grader rules...
19:12 pianohacker owen: Haha, nice
19:11 owen for you pianohacker: http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2009/08/27/boll/index.html
19:10 pianohacker Oh, just an American thing (we all said the same thing at the same time, so jinx)
19:10 cait hm?
19:10 pianohacker jinx^3
19:09 cait when its turned on
19:09 pianohacker cait: If they're enabled
19:09 joetho if I had 53000 patrons I might have that log turned off.
19:09 joetho ahhh
19:09 cait isnt there are borrowers logß
19:08 owen I'm surprised the borrowers table doesn't have a timestamp column
19:08 pianohacker I don't think there's a modification time on borrower records, unfortunately
19:08 joetho duedue date
19:06 schuster Is there a way to see the last time a borrower record was updated? We just did a student load and now I want to identify the students that didn't get updated as part of that load. 53,000 students and probably 6,000 needles in a haystack.
19:05 chris bbiab
19:05 chris right time to feed kahu some breakfast
19:05 chris ohh sweet
19:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3106 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, checked out list should look the same in all places
19:03 * owen is working on Bug 3106 hoping it can be ready for 3.2
19:02 cait too
19:02 cait not a native speaker - but our old systems uses that to
19:02 chris ditto
19:01 cait due date
19:01 gmcharlt "due date"
19:01 owen Okay, quick poll everyone: "due date" or "date due"
19:01 owen That is good news
18:59 chris so any improvements on it benefits both projects, and i know there is stuff planned
18:59 chris the good news is, the sip2/ncip toolkit is something both Evegreen and Koha use
18:59 cait I mourn for recall and hourly loans
18:58 chris jerks--
18:58 munin cait: Karma for "WALDO" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
18:58 cait @karma WALDO
18:58 chris :-)
18:58 chris *hiss* *hiss*
18:57 chris reeeoooowww
18:57 owen I would be very happy to accept donation of NCIP functionality to Koha. Maybe WALDO--oh wait, never mind.
18:57 chris there is work on gettng the NCIP support up and going
18:56 joetho I don't need it for much.
18:56 cait but sip2 is not so bad
18:56 chris for now
18:56 joetho so, with koha, it's sip2 or NUTTIN.
18:55 joetho frown at owen
18:55 joetho owen gives me bad news today
18:55 cait its a German vendor
18:55 owen No NCIP
18:55 cait its their self checkout machine thats loses connection - dont know what the problem is
18:54 joetho owen
18:54 cait but we did many test cases rest works fine
18:54 joetho yikes
18:54 cait renewals seem to have some problems and when checking in a barcode not known to koha self checkout crashes
18:54 joetho what vendor, cait ?
18:54 joetho fat chance with ncip?
18:53 cait we just tested sip2 with our vendor
18:53 joetho but which one is more reliable?
18:53 owen Fat chance
18:53 joetho how about NCIP?
18:52 joetho Thanks
18:52 joetho Koha 3 supports SIP2, correct? Why yes, Joe, it does.
18:51 chris cos i couldnt reproduce :)
18:51 chris ahh good
18:47 owen I didn't realize it worked by pre-populating the "specify due date" field.
18:47 owen chris: never mind, I must have been testing the globalDueDate pref. I had a date entered there.
18:46 * chris tries
18:46 chris havent seen that
18:45 owen when I first load the circ page it pre-loads a date in the "specify due date" field. Even if I clear it before checking out I still get a warning that the date is invalid
18:43 owen Anyone else notice a problem with HEAD where it won't forget your "specify due date" date?
18:35 pianohacker Hehe, poor marc, at liblime
18:34 joetho marc robinson? from denton, tx?
18:32 pianohacker Ack
18:32 cait I think they would use something even more complicated than marc ;)
18:26 pianohacker One would hope they'd gotten beyond MARC, at least
18:26 cait yes
18:24 pianohacker cait: From discworld?
18:23 pianohacker Probably just a generic 500.
18:22 cait or the invisible university
18:19 owen Only at Hogwarts.
18:18 rhcl Is there a marc field for identifying books that might have environmental concerns?
18:18 joetho yikes
18:18 owen Right
18:18 joetho like the toys
18:18 joetho ahhh
18:18 owen joetho: it's not the age of the book that is a concern. The law was prompted by issues with imports
18:18 joetho is there any lead in any of your css customizations?
18:18 rhcl of Policy should be released within the next several weeks."
18:18 rhcl According to our conversations with CPSC officials, that Statement
18:17 joetho hey owen
18:17 rhcl lead.
18:17 rhcl the treatment of older children’s books that could potentially contain
18:17 rhcl of Policy specifically providing guidance for libraries with regard to
18:17 rhcl CPSC also announced its intention to release a Statement
18:17 joetho this belongs on publib-L
18:17 rhcl under the law.
18:17 rhcl libraries have no independent obligation to test library books for lead
18:17 rhcl In the rule, CPSC confirmed that
18:17 rhcl containing lead was released....
18:17 rhcl On August 26, 2009, the CPSC’s final rule on children’s products
18:17 joetho I mean, if it is newer than ten years is it certifiably OK?
18:17 rhcl Beats me.
18:17 joetho how old does a book have to be suspicious?
18:16 owen About 73,000 books in our collection would have been required to be tested.
18:16 rhcl Oh, a Modest Proposal.
18:16 joetho Just a modest proposal.
18:15 joetho they could use the poor people to taste-test their books
18:15 joetho they wanted to restrict their library to exclude poor people, basically
18:15 joetho This could go hand in hand with the library I read of recently in the US northeast, a wealthy community...
18:13 rhcl Don't think there is such a thing (cheap test) and however cheap one test might be can you imagine the time and cumulative expense of testing hundreds or thousands of books?
18:13 joetho "The Tough Coughs As He Ploughs the Dough"
18:13 joetho I'm all for it, if there is a cheap test
18:13 owen Tricky homonyms.
18:12 rhcl A lot of libraries were sweating the issue.
18:12 rhcl Applied mostly to older books, I think.
18:12 cait now I got it :)
18:12 cait the metal
18:12 cait ah
18:12 rhcl Apparently there had been some threat from recent legislation that libraries were going to have to test children's books for lead, or replace all of them with certified lead-free books.
18:11 joetho to see if there is any lead (the metal) in the paper or ink or cover or anything...?
18:11 cait I dont understand it :)
18:11 cait what does this mean, guidance for testing of lead in children's books?
18:10 rhcl Not that critical really, but my director was happy that we seem to be in the clear now, and apparently the news was just released, so I thought I'm mention it to her.
18:10 munin joetho: I suck
18:10 joetho @flip
18:10 munin joetho: I suck
18:10 joetho @ding
18:10 joetho ha h a ha ha oh I like a bot with a sense of humor
18:09 munin pong
18:09 joetho @ping
18:09 joetho wizzy is lrea at nekls dot org (that is an L at the beginning)
18:07 rhcl Could have been a big big expense for us.
18:06 rhcl It had been a matter of concern, but the guidance says (basically) that we don't have to test them.
18:06 rhcl For US libraries the CPSC just released guidance for testing of lead in children's books
18:05 cait perhaps try to message her directly too
18:05 rhcl I was just trying to ring wizzy's bell and see if she's on
18:05 rhcl that might work?
18:05 cait playing ping pong with munin?
18:05 rhcl wizzyrea: you on?
18:05 pianohacker ^-- is the preferred method
18:04 pianohacker wizzyrea: ping
18:04 munin pong
18:04 pianohacker @ping
18:04 rhcl ?
18:04 munin pong
18:04 rhcl @ping wizzyrea
17:12 pianohacker Hi, tho
17:12 joetho how could I forget?
17:12 joetho Hi, JESSE
16:55 pianohacker Ok :)
16:54 |Lupin| pianohacker: ah... but one day you called me Sébasien and since then each time I great you I think I should use your real name, too
16:53 pianohacker That's the one. I had to use whois to remember Sébastien, so...
16:53 |Lupin| pianohacker: I feel guilty for not remembering your name... Jesse ?
16:52 pianohacker Hi, |Lupin|
16:52 |Lupin| hi pianohacker
15:44 wizzyrea they must have changed something in the matrix
15:44 wizzyrea bleh, I added it but it's still not finding it, the records have it. I feel like I've witnessed this conversation many times, it's like deja vu, but I can't remember it all.
15:31 wizzyrea ty
15:31 wizzyrea okies
15:30 gmcharlt yep
15:29 wizzyrea and reindex?
15:29 wizzyrea ?
15:29 wizzyrea >.< sorry, you would add something like 'ccode' => '9528'
15:26 wizzyrea ty
15:26 wizzyrea l
15:26 wizzyrea k I wil
15:26 gmcharlt dunno offhand - check the syspref
15:25 wizzyrea I'm guessing it doesn't come with that one by default?
15:25 wizzyrea thanks
15:25 wizzyrea ok cool I will check them
15:25 gmcharlt wizzyrea: depends entirely on index definitions - need a 'ccode' index in the syspref pulling from the appropriate 952 subfield
15:24 wizzyrea )
15:24 wizzyrea (but I may have something set up wrong
15:23 wizzyrea because I can't seem to get it to
15:23 wizzyrea gmcharlt: another question... ccode searching with nozebra, should this work?
15:16 jdavidb Ahh...nice feature, that.
15:14 nahuel_ $dbh only execute one sql request, even if you pass 2
15:14 nahuel_ I already tryied
15:14 nahuel_ you cannot made sql injections easily
15:14 nahuel_ As I know
15:13 jdavidb Now, this is novel. One of our customers is apparently quite nervous, all of a sudden, about the possibility of SQL injection attacks in the staff client. Actually presented what they thought would be a plausible scenario--which didn't work, when I tried it on a test server.
15:01 gmcharlt rebuild_nozebra.pl usually need only be run if you change index definitions
15:01 kf sorry
15:01 kf oh no zebra
15:00 gmcharlt wizzyrea: no, nozebra indexing is done on the fly
15:00 kf http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/appendices/cron-jobs/?searchterm=cron%20jobs
15:00 kf mom g
14:59 wizzyrea aww, not even a RTFM?
14:56 wizzyrea (I don't do much with the back end usually, but have an eensy library coming on to a dedicated server)
14:55 wizzyrea w/ cron?
14:55 wizzyrea nub question: nozebra indexing needs to be scheduled?
14:51 owen "Daddy, there's an earthquake in my room!"
14:51 chris ok, thats the kids placated, no after shocks, im going back to sleep
14:46 wizzyrea :)
14:46 kf "at a better place"
14:46 kf I declined a lot of karma today - is has to end up somewhere
14:46 wizzyrea owen: obsessive matrix viewing from you does not surprise me
14:45 |Lupin| Sharon++ also, for having used it
14:45 wizzyrea sky
14:45 wizzyrea ooh karma is falling from the saky
14:45 |Lupin| wizzyrea++ for the poetic noddle expression
14:45 wizzyrea kf: np :)
14:44 kf wizzyrea++ for helping with renewals :)
14:44 * owen has seen it a few too many times
14:44 wizzyrea little different context
14:44 wizzyrea I forgot about that one though, you're right, it is in that movie
14:43 wizzyrea way way before the movie
14:43 wizzyrea hmm.. no, but he was saying that long ago
14:30 owen wizzyrea: Your dad was the Oracle in The Matrix? That's where I first heard "bake your noodle"
14:30 nahuel_ hehe ok
14:30 nahuel_ ^^
14:30 gmcharlt nahuel_: indeed - but I can see even a small US public library crashing their mailing server due to volume they turned that on ;)
14:30 nahuel_ gmcharlt, anyway, thanks :)
14:30 jdavidb That would be! Any damage, that you know of?
14:29 nahuel_ hehe
14:29 nahuel_ "frenchies" big libraries
14:29 nahuel_ depends, we have "big" libraries that needs it
14:28 gmcharlt nahuel_: it strikes me as something that only a really small library would want
14:28 nahuel_ gmcharlt, thanks :)
14:28 nahuel_ ho ok ! So i'll do it :)
14:28 chris yeah, centred 20km away, only 5.2 but a big jolt
14:28 gmcharlt nahuel_: it's not implement - it may have been in dev_week, but is not there now
14:28 rhcl I see in my absence people have been maligning Missoura.
14:28 nahuel_ instead in sql
14:28 nahuel_ why i do not find anything with a grep ?
14:28 nahuel_ gmcharlt, cool, can you say me something about this syspref : emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced ?
14:27 gmcharlt nahuel_: yes
14:27 nahuel_ gmcharlt, around ?
14:27 jdavidb Earthshaker a few minutes ago, chris ?
14:27 collum http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/8543
14:25 jdavidb wizzyrea: When I was in college speech class, we were supposed to do a promotional speech for some tourist site we knew about. A guy from Topeka did one about "if you want a fun vacation, *don't* come to Kansas."
14:25 chris hmm why am i awake at 2.30am .. oh thats right because of http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/snzo-drum.html
14:24 kf wizzyrea: thx - perhaps we can do something similar. I already noticed that checking out a already checked out book leads to a renewal - was not sure if this could be a problem, when people accidently check out more than one and loose their renewals this way
14:24 |Lupin| wizzyrea: heay it helps, I remember now. Thanks !
14:23 Sharon gmcharlt we used that book for my cataloging class back at IU Bloomington. I don't remember KS jokes, but I'm sure there were some.
14:23 kf rofl
14:22 wizzyrea I mean, any place whose name phonetically sounds so much like "misery" has to be funny, right?
14:22 Sharon that would be missoura...
14:21 wizzyrea though not as much as Missouri ^.^
14:21 wizzyrea and it's fine to make fun of Kansas... there's a lot of comedic fodder here.
14:21 wizzyrea her*
14:21 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I'll let her know ;)
14:20 wizzyrea gmcharlt - you can tell him that we have more wheat than corn ;) (nyah nyah)
14:20 wizzyrea kf- indeed, I got the info back late yesterday afternoon: the way ours work is that it just checks out the book again with a refreshed circ rule. It doesn't seem to follow the renewal rules.
14:19 gmcharlt wizzyrea: cataloging professor is using the Wizard of Oz as an example this semester - lots of cornfield and Kansas jokes already :/
14:19 kf hi liz - did you have a chance to look at your self checkouts for renewals?
14:18 * wizzyrea ducks and waits for the inevitable "there's no place like home's"
14:18 wizzyrea |Lupin| Kansas is where Dorothy is from in the story The Wizard of Oz, if that helps.
14:17 wizzyrea lol
14:16 wizzyrea though that makes somewhat less sense
14:16 wizzyrea yep, that's about right
14:16 wizzyrea you could also "bonk your noodle" (hit your head)
14:16 |Lupin| Sharon: ok
14:16 |Lupin| wizzyrea: I think I got it. It expresses confusion because noodles are supposed to be boiled rather than baken, so if you bake them it's you must be totally confused... correct ?
14:15 |Lupin| aaaah
14:14 wizzyrea so you could say "health care in the US totally bakes my noodle"
14:13 wizzyrea technically, that one came from my dad. In my dad's vernacular, the "noodle" was your head, thusly, to bake it was to be completely confused
14:13 Sharon |Lupin| we are in Kansas, middle of the US
14:13 wizzyrea |Lupin| of course :)
14:12 |Lupin| Sharon: where are you located ?
14:12 |Lupin| wizzyrea: do you allow me to re-use this expression ? I like it ! :)
14:12 rhcl I need coffee. brb
14:11 |Lupin| Sharon: okay, thanks for the subtitles :)
14:07 Sharon Liz is my co-worker who's on here as wizzyrea. Bakes my noodle = confuses me
14:06 |Lupin| Sharon: coudl you explain a bit pls ? who is Liz, what does this expression mean ? :)
14:05 Sharon this global community stuff 'bakes my noodle' as Liz would say
14:05 |Lupin| Sharon: ah good morning... here it's afternoon already
14:04 Sharon good morning
14:04 |Lupin| hi Sharon
13:58 gmcharlt owen: I had poked around with that footer in HEAD a while back; it's possible that it may not be reproduicible in HEAD
13:58 owen I'm not sure I understand how to reproduce it
13:57 owen Is anyone familiar with this problem? http://www.nabble.com/Changelanguage-div-in-Koha-Staff-Client-to25134301.html
13:56 |Lupin| hi again
13:44 jdavidb The fact that so darn many of them seem to *want* to live in the squalid conditions of the Rio Grande Valley says something about the place they came from that is really unnerving to me.
13:43 jdavidb My brother used to live down there, and he had to move, because my nephew was the *last* native-English speaker in the whole school district--they were only going to offer ESL.
13:42 jdavidb gmcharlt: Move to south Texas. We really oughta draw a line from El Paso to San Antonio to Houston, and give everything south of the line back to Mexico... They don't set 'em to work on the farm, unfortunately. Quite a few end up in really violent gangs and such.
13:42 * paul_p heads back to printing the X0000 of pages I have to print for an RFP (poor trees...)
13:41 jdavidb paul: I don't see speaking French as a problem. I don't, but there's no reason I *couldn't*...
13:41 gmcharlt jdavidb: but I suspect not as much as you'd think - we're long past the days where you could set your kids to work on the farm, after all
13:41 jdavidb paul: We have that problem in our immigrant communities. They're not US citizens, but if their baby is born here, the baby is. And so the parents get support money, etc... and there are strong incentives to have lotsa the little monsters.)
13:40 paul_p (but anyway, it's true that a lot of ppl complains the allocation stops when the childrens cost more !)
13:40 paul_p jdavidb: maybe => we speak french ?
13:40 paul_p (no, it was just refering to free as beer / free as speech)
13:40 * jdavidb is trying to think of good reasons why *not* living in France is a good idea, and coming up short.
13:39 collum Beer is free? European beer!!!!
13:39 collum paul_p: I'm braced.
13:39 paul_p universities are free (as beer) in France...
13:39 paul_p collum: are you seated ? if no, the take a chair...
13:38 paul_p jdavidb: in fact, some ppl here are complaining about ppl from north africa having too much babies, just to get the money.
13:38 collum paul_p: What happens at 18. Is university paid for? We just sent our 18 year old to college. He's finding that he really didn't want as much freedom as he has been asking for since he was 14.
13:37 jdavidb Oh, I can so see women here taking way too much advantage of that.. Lordy. "Octomom" wouldn't be news any more. "*only* 14 kids? Pssht."
13:37 paul_p for us, we get almost 1000€ every months (we have 4 childrens, and wife in "Parental Education Allocation")
13:36 paul_p until your children is 18
13:36 paul_p monthly : 0 for the 1st, 100 for the 2nd, 160 for 3rd and each one after
13:36 * owen could have sworn there was an existing bug for that one
13:36 gmcharlt ah
13:36 jdavidb "pre-existing" has been a problem for me all my life. Since I've always been an amputee, anything having to do with my right leg is a "pre-existing condition."
13:36 owen chris++ for fast Zotero/xslt patch
13:36 paul_p it's the 1k€ / 500€ I spoke previously + an amount EVERY famil gets just to have childrens
13:35 gmcharlt paul_p: no doubt :) but what is it?
13:35 * jdavidb nods at gmcharlt.
13:35 paul_p a frenchism, probably ;-)
13:35 gmcharlt what is family allocatin?
13:35 paul_p something like 50% for diseases, 25% for retirement, 25% for family allocation.
13:35 gmcharlt but no such thing as "pre-existing conditions", I bet
13:34 jdavidb Well, sure. There ain't no free lunches.
13:34 paul_p the other side : if you have a salary of 1k€ (net), the mandatory health care amount is almost another 1k€
13:32 jdavidb I knew that France's system was better, but I didn't quite realize how *much* better.
13:32 jdavidb owen: Saw this article on AlterNet, and it points out several pretty dramatic differences in the US and French healthcare systems: http://bit.ly/2CCO3C
13:32 paul_p it's called "parental education allocation"
13:31 paul_p my wife is in this status for 5 years now (Jérémie, then 2.5 years later Matthieu)
13:31 paul_p and (except for the 1st), anyone (mum or dad) can take 1 year with 1k€ or upto 3 years with 500€ (monthly) to take care of the child
13:30 paul_p collum: of course, but just 2 weeks
13:30 collum paul_p: Do the father's also get days off?
13:30 owen paul_p: Maybe so, but according to some American politicians France is a horrible communist country where people wait in line for days for basic health care!
13:29 jdavidb That is good,paul_p...way, way better than here.
13:28 paul_p France is great here: you get 20weeks off when you've a baby (6 before and 14 after the birth), at full salary. For the 3rd or more (of for twins), you get 26. If you have 3 or more babies at the same time it's 36 (but not sure the pain to have 3 babies is worth the 10 more weeks...)
13:27 owen Hi paul_p
13:27 owen My wife teaches high school, so she got the summer off plus one extra month this month. Then back to school.
13:26 paul_p good morning USA !
13:24 jdavidb My older daughter slept all night the first night home from the hospital. She hasn't done it since, of course...she'll be 17 this fall...
13:22 schuster Oh you are lucky! Does your wife work? One of our librarians has had to go back to work after having her baby in May and the adjustment to daycare has not been good. Once an all nigh sleeper is waking up every 2 hours wanting food or to be played with.
13:20 owen She wakes up once or twice, otherwise she sleeps great
13:20 owen She has always been a remarkable sleeper, especially compared to our first
13:19 schuster Owen - how's the baby? sleeping through the night yet?
12:51 jdavidb Willdo. EBPL may have a fringe use-case here (*everything* about EBPL is a fringe use-case, IMO...) and it's causing some headaches. I can short-circuit it, but I'd like to understand it instead, if possible.
12:50 gmcharlt jdavidb: sure - busy this morning, but feel free to ping me this afternoon
12:48 jdavidb Some time when you've got a few minutes, I'd like to visit with you about the build_holds_queue cron, and the hold_fill_targets table.. Something about it has me scratching my head, and "git blame" shows your name a *lot* in there.
12:48 gmcharlt jdavidb: pong
12:47 jdavidb gmcharlt: ping?
12:06 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (5:10 PM IST on August 27, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
12:06 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai
12:02 Amit time to leave bye
12:01 |Lupin| bye
12:01 |Lupin| time to leave
11:43 |Lupin| gmcharlt: wow, sorry, I didn't notice this one. Thanks.
11:29 gmcharlt |Lupin|: s/foar/far/
11:04 |Lupin| gmcharlt: s/repl/reply/, something else ?
10:25 gmcharlt yes, except for the typos at the very end ;)
10:24 |Lupin| would this sentence be okay ?
10:24 |Lupin| At this stage, it may be helpful to have a database of rightsholders with precise contact information, plus a system to keep track of orders and assist the librarian in sending new requests to those rightholders who did not repl so foar.
10:23 |Lupin| gmcharlt: ok
10:23 gmcharlt correct
10:22 |Lupin| gmcharlt: ok, thanks. It's to write in a paper, so I assume from what you said that none of these two would work ?
10:22 gmcharlt very informally, "poke" or "prod"
10:21 |Lupin| a substantive may be helpful, too
10:20 |Lupin| does someone know how whether there exists some verb in english to say something like "contact again a client who didn't reply so far" ?
10:18 gmcharlt hi Amit
10:18 Amit hi galen
09:58 |Lupin| it's to bad the bot hasn't some aliases, so that, say, ms and microsoft refer to the same thing
09:57 chris nabble_and_its_crazy_urls--
09:56 munin gmcharlt: "failed": 10, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, "sirsi": 2, "microsoft": 1, "ie6": 1, "InternetExplorer": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Bugs-about-koha-zebraqueue-daemon-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-Flavour-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-distribution-with-Koha": 1, "March": 1, "ago": (1 more message)
09:56 gmcharlt @most decreased
09:56 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
09:56 gmcharlt @clear <tr<!
09:56 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
09:56 gmcharlt @clear -
09:56 munin gmcharlt: "failed": 10, "-": 6, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "<tr<!": 3, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, "sirsi": 2, "microsoft": 1, "ie6": 1, "InternetExplorer": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Bugs-about-koha-zebraqueue-daemon-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-Flavour-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-distribution-with-Koha": 1, (1 more message)
09:56 gmcharlt @most decreased
09:56 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
09:56 gmcharlt @clear --
09:56 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
09:56 gmcharlt @clear <-
09:56 munin gmcharlt: "failed": 10, "<-": 9, "-": 6, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "<tr<!": 3, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, "sirsi": 2, "microsoft": 1, "ie6": 1, "InternetExplorer": 1, "--": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Bugs-about-koha-zebraqueue-daemon-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux-Flavour-": 1, "http://www.nabble.com/Linux- (1 more message)
09:56 gmcharlt @most decreased
09:56 munin chris: "paul_p": 54, "hdl_laptop": 40, "owen": 40, "chris": 37, "gmcharlt": 35, "slef": 28, "atz": 27, "fbcit": 27, "kados": 18, "wizzyrea": 15, "pianohacker": 15, "nengard": 14, "thd": 13, "failed": 10, "kyle": 10, "toins": 10, "<-": 9, "pierrick": 8, "tumer": 8, "brendan": 7, "ricardo": 7, "git": 7, "-": 6, "jwagner": 5, and "|Lupin|": 5
09:56 chris @most active
09:55 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
09:55 gmcharlt @clear class="highlight"<!
09:55 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
09:55 gmcharlt @clear +---------------+---------------------+-------------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+---------------------------------+--------
09:55 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
09:55 gmcharlt @clear --><th>Renew</th><!
09:55 munin gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
09:55 gmcharlt @lcear '--><th>Renew</th><!'
09:54 munin gmcharlt: I've exhausted my database of quotes
09:54 gmcharlt @lcear --><th>Renew</th><!
09:54 chris apparently the nz prime minister is going to be doing one of the top ten lists
09:53 gmcharlt chris: very, very rarely
09:53 chris gmcharlt: do you ever watch letterman?
09:53 |Lupin| kf: your karma does not seem too bad
09:51 munin chris: downloading the Perl source
09:51 chris @languages
09:51 kf hm I need to do something for my karma :)
09:50 chris gmcharlt++
09:50 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
09:50 gmcharlt @clear <!
09:50 chris ah will get gmcharlt to clear it ;)
09:50 munin chris: chris
09:50 chris @whoami
09:49 munin chris: Error: You don't have the #koha,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
09:49 chris @clear <!
09:49 munin chris: "<!": 16, "failed": 10, "<-": 9, "-": 6, "ie": 5, "encoding": 4, "+---------------+---------------------+-------------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+---------------------------------+--------": 3, "--><th>Renew</th><!": 3, "class="highlight"<!": 3, "<tr<!": 3, "savannah": 3, "google": 3, "there": 2, "capital_letters": 2, "nz": 2, "ms": 2, "kados": 2, "jerks": 2, (1 more message)
09:49 chris @most decreased
09:49 munin chris: "paul_p": 54, "hdl_laptop": 40, "owen": 39, "chris": 37, "gmcharlt": 34, "slef": 28, "atz": 27, "fbcit": 27, "kados": 16, "wizzyrea": 15, "pianohacker": 15, "nengard": 14, "thd": 13, "kyle": 10, "toins": 10, "pierrick": 8, "tumer": 8, "brendan": 7, "git": 7, "ricardo": 6, "jwagner": 5, "|Lupin|": 5, "mason": 5, "schuster": 5, and "acmoore": 5
09:49 chris @most increased
09:48 munin chris: (most [<channel>] {increased,decreased,active}) -- Returns the most increased, the most decreased, or the most active (the sum of increased and decreased) karma things. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
09:48 chris @most
09:48 kf yay :)
09:47 munin |Lupin|: Karma for "kf" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4.
09:47 |Lupin| @karma kf
09:47 |Lupin| kf: yes. Since recently I can type tibetan in my LInux console and the letters are displayed correctly on the screen. In braille, however, each letter is represented by a question mark at the moment. I'll have to choose a braille representaiton for each letter, which is not very easy :)
09:43 munin chris: Highest karma: "paul_p" (54), "hdl_laptop" (40), and "owen" (38). Lowest karma: "<!" (-16), "failed" (-10), and "<-" (-9). You (chris) are ranked 4 out of 382.
09:43 chris @karma
09:43 kf sounds like fun :)
09:43 |Lupin| so a syllable can be seen as a matrix where each letter can have several others stacked on top of it or underneath it
09:42 |Lupin| but in reality things are a bit more complicated than that, because the structure of a syllable is not in one dimension, but on two dimensions
09:42 |Lupin| ltr
09:41 kf is tibetan ltr or rtl?
09:40 * |Lupin| things that when he will start to catalogue things in tibetan things will really become fun
09:39 |Lupin| kf: I see
09:39 |Lupin| microsoft--
09:39 kf our vendor has problems with display of umlauts
09:39 |Lupin| ms--
09:39 munin |Lupin|: microsoft has neutral karma.
09:39 |Lupin| @karma microsoft
09:38 munin |Lupin|: Karma for "ms" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0.
09:38 |Lupin| @karma ms
09:38 |Lupin| why kf ?
09:38 kf encoding--
09:38 munin kf: Karma for "encoding" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3.
09:38 kf @karma encoding
09:35 kf coins = microformat? I read something about microformats for calendars some time ago
09:34 chris http://ocoins.info/
09:33 |Lupin| kf: thanks for having explained
09:30 |Lupin| wasn't aware of this
09:30 |Lupin| ahah
09:29 kf and you can import it to zotero as a reference
09:29 chris yep
09:28 kf but I think coins is not only used by Zotero but by other applications as well, I think coins is a way to mark bibliographic data in html
09:28 |Lupin| kf: ok, thanks
09:27 kf its a popular firefox plugin
09:27 kf kind of reference management software
09:25 |Lupin| what's Zotero btw ?
09:18 kf ah ok
09:17 chris the actual coins stuff is in opac-detail.tmpl
09:17 chris but the xslt is only part of what builds that page
09:17 chris not yet im afraid
09:15 kf mom, is it now possible to have different xslt files for different languages?
09:15 chris cool
09:14 kf thx chris!
09:14 kf ok
09:14 kf works fine now
09:14 chris cool, will send a patch, you will need to regen your german templates when the patch is pushed
09:13 chris (i only fixed it on taht template)
09:13 kf that was the problem
09:13 kf yes
09:13 kf mom
09:13 chris ahh make sure you change your langauge to en
09:12 kf sory, no
09:11 kf will check, one second
09:11 kf you are fast!
09:10 chris showing for you here?
09:10 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1134
09:10 chris right i think i just fixed it
09:10 munin kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, P5, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on
09:10 kf @bug 3559
09:08 chris critical or major
09:07 kf severity?
09:02 chris yep that sounds like a good bug report
09:01 kf but cant test - we only have 3.2 n
09:01 kf I think it did work in 3.0.3
09:01 kf i will try to add one - zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on?
09:00 chris thats a bug, want to do a bug report and ill try and fix it
08:59 chris yeah shows on normal, doesnt show on xslt
08:58 kf you can reproduce it now?
08:57 chris hmm nope
08:55 chris if you turn xslt off does it show?
08:55 chris ahh
08:54 kf and xslt on
08:54 kf we have amazon covers and reviews activated
08:54 kf I dont get the possibility to add it
08:54 kf ok, result list works fine, but detail page not
08:53 kf yes
08:53 chris zotero is a firefox extension isnt it?
08:52 |Lupin| just by solidarity
08:52 |Lupin| ie--
08:52 kf strange
08:52 chris well zotero only works with firefox afaik
08:51 kf and marc view tabs looks strange in ie, they are jumping around a little
08:50 * chris looks
08:50 chris oh really?
08:49 kf oh, and zotero is broken - but its broken on detail page in general in 3.2
08:49 kf trying to change xslt to display our hebrew records nicely
08:46 chris hehe
08:43 kf decreasing ie's karma makes me feel a little better g
08:43 munin chris: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -4.
08:43 chris @karma ie
08:43 kf ie--
08:42 munin chris: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3.
08:42 chris @karma ie
08:42 munin chris: for ie has neutral karma.
08:42 chris @karma for ie
08:42 chris ie6-- #especially ie6
08:41 chris ie--
08:40 kf InternetExplorer--
08:31 |Lupin| guten morgen kf
08:31 |Lupin| hello Amit
08:24 Amit_G hi lupin, laurendthdl
08:24 laurenthdl chris: yes
08:23 kf good morning #koha
08:20 chris is laurenthdl travelling today?
08:11 |Lupin| hey chris
08:08 nahuel_ yep
08:08 laurenthdl nahuel_: around ?
08:08 laurenthdl hello
08:06 chris hi |Lupin|
08:03 |Lupin| hello there
06:21 magnusenger hi Amit
06:21 Amit hi magnusenger ;)
06:18 magnusenger good morning, nicomo
06:18 nicomo hi magnusenger
05:45 nicomo why is it better for you to have the patron data in Marc, rather than just in the DB?
05:44 Amit means please be clear
05:43 nicomo why would you want patron records in Marc in the 1st place?
05:43 nicomo I'm puzzle by this
05:43 Amit format but unable to test
05:43 nicomo ok
05:43 Amit i have all tag and indicator of patron data in MARC
05:42 Amit IRC
05:42 Amit in
05:42 nicomo here? or on the mailing lists? can't rememer
05:42 Amit yes
05:42 nicomo it's been asked before, right?
05:42 nicomo Amit: this question reminds me of something
05:41 Amit any one know patron data in MARC format
05:41 nicomo hi all
05:41 nicomo Hi Amit
05:41 Amit hi nicomo
05:41 Amit hi ncomo
05:24 brendan good night #koha
05:15 susan Sorry then :)
05:13 Amit no
05:13 susan Hi Amit, did you want to say something?
05:12 Amit no problem ;)
05:02 susan sorry for the delay. I was talking to my manager :)
05:02 susan Hi amit
04:51 Amit hi susan
04:49 susan :)
04:49 chris no problem :)
04:49 susan your great. Thanks alot for the help. Sure glad you are awake hehe
04:49 susan wow..that simple
04:48 chris you can just add that server to your list of servers to query then do a z3950 search in the cataloguing interface
04:48 chris http://www.oclc.org/z3950/default.htm
04:48 susan Does it? How can I find this server information?
04:48 susan Do you have an article/blog/ anything that I can read
04:48 chris OCLC has a Z3950 server eh?
04:47 chris yes
04:47 susan :)
04:47 susan I have an urgent question that I need to give an answer to today. Is there an already existing way of importing data into koha from OCLC or not?
04:47 chris so nearly time for me to go home from work ;)
04:47 chris im in NZ
04:47 susan Located in Abu Dhabi :) my apologies
04:46 chris some people are, some people are about to wake up, some are about to go to sleep, and some are asleep :)
04:45 susan anyone awake? Its morning my time...
04:45 susan Good day everyone
03:57 brendan hey amit
03:25 chris heya Amit
03:25 Amit good morning #koha ;)
03:25 Amit hi chris, brendan
03:13 brendan 13 minutes and counting