Time Nick Message 11:38 indradg_ Amit, hey! 11:37 Amit hi indradg_, kmkale 10:42 magnusenger ok, i have asked the old vendor how they can export the data, so i'm eagerly awaiting their reply 10:41 chris then you have to match that with barcode, then match the barcode with the borrower in koha (or item) 10:40 magnusenger not so easy... 10:40 chris if it stores it with some internal number 10:40 magnusenger good to hear! 10:40 chris if it stores borrower barcode and item barcode then not too hard 10:40 magnusenger doing it for a client 10:40 magnusenger don't know what the old system can give me yet 10:40 chris how does your old ILS store the info 10:39 chris yeah you can do a search to find the borrowernumber where cardnumber = barcode 10:39 magnusenger more worried about the items 10:39 magnusenger borrower should be ok, as long as they keep their barcodes 10:38 chris (itemnumber and borrowernumber) 10:38 chris basically you need a way to match the item and borrower to the values in your koha db 10:37 chris on what info you can get out of your old ILS 10:36 chris depends 10:35 magnusenger an on topic question: i know Koha has a way of importing patrons, but how difficult is it to import active loans and reservations? 10:33 magnusenger a bit expensive, though... 10:32 magnusenger chris: cruising along the coast of Norway is nice to, with Hurtigruten 10:30 gmcharlt i.e., May 10:30 gmcharlt as long as you don't mind a couple chills, I recommend doing it very early in the tourist seasno 10:29 gmcharlt chris++ # highly, highly recommended, particularly if you go with a small ship 10:27 chris gmcharlt: i actually want to do a cruise in alaska sometime 10:27 chris october in nz 10:27 chris well its semi tropical 10:26 nicomo :-) 10:26 nicomo I'll go in 2010 10:26 nicomo paul_p: goes in 2011 10:26 gmcharlt ha! 10:26 nicomo that's settled 10:26 nicomo tropical_KohaCon in 2010 10:26 gmcharlt Palin aside, it's nothing to be ashamed of ;) 10:26 nicomo polar_kohaCon in 2011 10:26 chris s/live/lived/ 10:25 chris says the man who live in alaska 10:25 gmcharlt polar_KohaCon++ 10:22 nicomo :-) 10:22 nicomo s/to/so 10:22 nicomo to I'm all for doing a conference up in, say, Fiji 10:22 nicomo depends how you look at earth 10:22 nicomo the idea of UP is relative, you know 10:22 chris which country has the ice hotel? 10:20 magnusenger perhaps we could do a Koha conference up here in the middle of winter some time in the future? 10:20 magnusenger sounds like it! ;-) 10:19 nicomo ++ to that 10:19 chris sounds like nicomo and i will both be retiring to a tropical island in the south pacific :) 10:18 chris heh 10:18 nicomo which is more crazy talk, if you ask me 10:17 magnusenger lots of places get colder, but we have a lot of wind and high humidity, so it feels much colder than what the thermometer shows 10:17 chris more crazy talk :) 10:16 magnusenger chris: you need some of that to get the snow that should be a part of any normal winter... ;-) 10:16 chris :) 10:15 chris thats crazy talk 10:15 chris -11 ?? 10:14 magnusenger http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Nordland/Bod%C3%B8/Bod%C3%B8/statistics.html For anyone who is REALLY interested! ;-) 10:13 magnusenger oh, yes, it's very good! And we have had a lot of good days this summer! ;-) 10:13 nicomo magnusenger 21°C is actually good for someone living above the polar circle, it seems to me, no? 10:12 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 10:12 kf @wunder Konstanz 10:09 chris heh 10:08 magnusenger cheeky munin! 10:08 munin magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 21.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 10:08 magnusenger @wunder bodo, norway 10:08 chris heh 10:07 munin magnusenger: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 10:07 magnusenger @wunder, bodo, norway 10:07 munin magnusenger: Error: No such location could be found. 10:07 magnusenger @wunder bodoe, norway 10:07 munin magnusenger: Error: No such location could be found. 10:07 magnusenger @wunder bodø, norway 09:59 gmcharlt oh, definitely 09:59 chris altho if its 21.3 at 6am in gainesville, i think its gonna get hot where galen is today 09:59 nicomo yeah, 28°C is pretty much the limit before it gets uncomfortable 09:58 chris nicomo wins 09:58 lamiette it is really cold, I can see my breath in the air inside my house it's that cold! (really wish we had double glazing on our windows) 09:58 nicomo much better 09:58 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Lyon Satolas, France is 28.0°C (11:30 AM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 09:58 nicomo @weather lyon, france 09:57 nicomo eheh, colder than alaska 09:57 nicomo and winter 09:57 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in The Spurlocks at Airport Heights, Anchorage, Alaska is 12.2°C (1:57 AM AKDT on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). 09:57 gmcharlt @wunder anchorage, alaska 09:57 chris well its night time :) 09:57 nicomo brrrr, that's cold 09:57 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising). 09:57 nicomo @weather wellington nz 09:57 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in FoxFire Woods, Gainesville, Florida is 21.3°C (5:57 AM EDT on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising). 09:57 gmcharlt @wunder 32605 09:56 munin chris: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 27.0°C (11:30 AM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 09:56 chris @weather marseille 09:56 chris lamiette: another fun thing munin can do is 09:53 lamiette hehe 09:52 chris lamiette would agree with you there 09:52 chris heh 09:51 nicomo never knew bacon had a point 09:51 chris i remember that one 09:51 chris ahh the bacon conversation 09:50 munin chris: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 09:37 PM, July 17, 2009) 09:50 chris @quote random 09:50 munin nicomo: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009) 09:50 nicomo @quote random 09:50 munin nicomo: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009) 09:50 nicomo @quote random 09:48 munin chris: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009) 09:48 chris @quote random 09:48 nicomo :-) 09:48 nicomo taunting my business partner 09:47 nicomo I just did 09:47 chris :) 09:47 chris there you can do one bad thing now 09:47 chris nicomo++ 09:47 munin chris: nicomo has neutral karma. 09:47 chris @karma nicomo 09:47 chris so it has ++ from the history of the channel 09:46 chris jesse did that, he went through the old logs, and fed it into munin 09:46 paul_p it's just that i'm beloved here, it's not like on our BibLibre channel. PPl here see that i'm a smart guy... 09:46 nicomo :-) 09:46 chris heh 09:45 nicomo paul_p I wonder if that explains your high ranking somehow, you know, hasty cut and paste or something 09:45 paul_p lol !!! 09:45 nicomo eh eh 09:45 munin chris: Karma for "<!" has been increased 0 times and decreased 10 times for a total karma of -10. 09:45 chris @karma <! 09:45 munin chris: for <! has neutral karma. 09:45 chris @karma for <! 09:44 chris <!-- 09:44 chris and munin has got confused 09:44 nicomo this thing is fixed 09:44 chris someone must have pasted a template in here 09:44 chris lol 09:43 nicomo oh yes, I just see now that you're in the cc list, sorry 09:43 munin chris: Highest karma: "paul_p" (54), "hdl_laptop" (40), and "chris" (34). Lowest karma: "<!" (-9), "failed" (-9), and "<-" (-5). You (chris) are ranked 3 out of 346. 09:43 chris @karma 09:43 kmkale yes I am watching this bug 09:42 munin 04Bug 3511: enhancement, P5, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, Integration with Moodle 09:42 nicomo http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3511 09:42 nicomo kmkale: lamiette here is refering to the exchange we had around this bug 09:42 lamiette I am very interested in the whole "school in a box" idea 09:42 kmkale ILS and moodle 09:42 lamiette yeah, definitely 09:42 kmkale 2 major pieces for any college 09:41 kmkale I am also very interested on moodle SSO 09:41 kmkale hi lamiette 09:37 lamiette I thought mainly I'd just pop in and say hello as I'm hoping I can slowly infiltrate my way into the Koha dev community. chris has won us over with his talks on koha :) 09:37 lamiette but awesome that you did that work for Koha! :D I think it's going to make my end with Moodle a lot easier 09:37 matts ok... feel free to ask ! 09:36 lamiette hey matts, I probably don't have many questions right now actually as I have a bit of research into CAS etc to go 09:33 nicomo hi Amit 09:32 lamiette oopse, apparnelty my enter skills are also! 09:32 Amit hi nicomo, lamiette 09:32 lamiette haha, apologies, but my french is far too rusty these days :) 09:32 lamiette haha, apologies, but my french is far too rusty these days : 09:32 nicomo lamiette: don't know if it's intended but "la miette" is "the (bread) crumb" 09:32 matts hello lamiette... how can I help you ? 09:31 matts :-) 09:31 chris matts: lamiette may have some questions for you about SSO stuff .. you should make her ask you in french though :-) 09:30 matts hi chris, i'm here 09:30 nicomo yeah :-) 09:30 paul_p (at least nice nick in french ;-) ) 09:30 lamiette bonjour nicomo :) 09:30 nicomo nice nick 09:30 nicomo hi lamiette 09:30 chris nicomo, lamiette is who is working on the moodle SSO 09:30 lamiette hey chris :) 09:29 chris heya lamiette 09:27 kmkale :) and guidance now and again 09:26 chris I dont have much time, but i can help with testing 09:26 chris im sure there must be some other indian developers who might be able to help out 09:25 kmkale I hope there are others interested and will helpout. I am going to try this one.. 09:24 kmkale thank you very much chris. 09:23 kmkale I really hope the GIT tutorils come through ;) 09:22 chris yep 09:22 kmkale with a default value 09:21 kmkale right 09:21 chris actually that is a better way 09:21 chris and you store the days overdue in the same table as the frequency and amount 09:21 chris in which case just one syspref to enable it 09:21 chris that is patron specific too 09:21 chris unless 09:21 chris yep 09:21 kmkale syspref to enable recurring fees and one more to set the number of days overdue tolerated? 09:19 chris and stops you from issuing to borrowers with overdue fees 09:19 chris edit the circulation code, so that if you have the syspref set to enable recurring fees, circulation checks if its overdue 09:18 chris 3rd step 09:18 chris write the code to be run as a cron job 09:17 kmkale 2nd step? 09:17 kmkale anything else you would suggest? 09:17 kmkale ok 09:16 chris and so you can report on it etc 09:16 chris you need a different finetype, so it doesnt get mixed up with overdue fines etc 09:15 chris for the accountlines 09:15 kmkale yesterday you said a new finetype would do. can you elaborate that idea? 09:14 kmkale ok. thats what I thought. 09:14 chris yes, using the accountlines table 09:14 kmkale how to hold the actual fee transactions? same as fines? 09:13 chris yep 09:13 kmkale do you think its a good idea about a new table to hold frequency, patron type nd fee amount? 09:12 chris 1st step build the interface and code to set the rules in the db 09:12 chris take it in steps 09:11 kmkale yes. If we were to attempt it ourselves, any suggestions on how to go about it? 09:10 chris that would depend entirely on who was doing the work and what they charge 09:10 kmkale cost estimate if someone were to sponsor it? 09:09 kmkale humm 09:09 chris (includng testing) 09:09 chris at a total estimate, id say between a week and 2 weeks work 09:03 munin 04Bug 3504: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Recurring patron fees. 09:03 kmkale http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3504 09:03 kmkale chris:hi, did you have a chance to look at the enhancement I filed? About recurring fees? 08:51 Amit hi kf, paul_p 07:57 Kivutar ok :) 07:56 chris you dont *have* to, but it doesnt hurt to do it :) 07:55 paul_p (in fact, it should be :\ ) 07:55 Kivutar do I have to submit a bug report before pushing a unimarc pluggin wich will be usefull only to us? 07:55 chris :) 07:55 paul_p lol no, they have too much to do with putting fire on the country :D 07:55 chris (that made the news here, the fact they set fire to the hills) 07:54 chris the foreign legion fire artillery at it? 07:54 paul_p internet connection working poorly this morning... 07:54 Kivutar hi chris 07:53 chris hi paul_p and Kivutar 07:23 Kivutar hello 06:55 chris :) 06:55 eiro hello rest of the wolrd also :) 06:55 eiro hello nz :) 06:53 chris morning europe 06:41 indradg aah 06:41 kf more canoeing 06:41 indradg kf, went sailing? 06:36 kf yes, but aching muscles today 06:36 kf yes 06:33 nicomo so kf, nice boat trip? 06:33 nicomo morning kf, morning all 06:32 kf good morning #koha 05:38 chris i hope i spelt that right 05:38 chris buenos nuchos 05:38 chris sleep well 05:37 digitalfredy ;) 05:37 digitalfredy very tanks friends 05:37 digitalfredy tanks 05:37 digitalfredy have to sleep 05:34 digitalfredy and made the report 05:34 digitalfredy i wil try go to university and review if koha is working 05:34 chris ahhh thanks 05:33 digitalfredy i not know obout it 05:33 digitalfredy chris, is a log of instalation of koha in a universty deparatament 05:31 chris digitalfredy: cool :) 05:29 chris but that is who i was thinking of 05:29 digitalfredy i love linux and open source 05:29 digitalfredy i am a Free Lance 05:29 digitalfredy nop 05:29 chris this was what i was thinking of, but they might have stopped work ... no entries for this year 05:28 chris is this you digitalfredy http://www.kohacolombia.org/wp/ ? 05:26 chris but not many 05:26 chris there are still a few words to be translated for spanish 05:26 chris http://translate.koha.org/es/ 05:26 chris (no colombia there either) 05:25 chris you have seen http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers#south_america 05:25 chris i will look around 05:25 chris yes, i might be mistaken but i think i have heard of one before 05:24 digitalfredy yes? i not se any in the map 05:24 chris i think there is maybe one 05:24 chris ohhh 05:24 digitalfredy we speak in spanish 05:23 digitalfredy Colombia 05:23 chris ohh what country is that? 05:23 digitalfredy i not see any reported in the koha web 05:23 pie cool! 05:23 digitalfredy if my proyect is approved i wil made the first instalation in my country 05:22 chris lots of ram will allow the database to run mostly out of ram, and be a bunch faster 05:22 digitalfredy chris, tanks 05:22 chris :) 05:22 chris finally if you have money left over spend it on the cpu 05:21 chris next is fast(ish) disk 05:21 chris go for as much ram as you can afford 05:21 chris a rule of thumb tho is 05:21 digitalfredy i thik that is small or medium 05:21 chris yes, i should be here 05:20 digitalfredy chris not find my notes about library, you wil do tomorro in the IRC? 05:12 digitalfredy moment please, go to searsh notes 05:11 chris that kinda thing 05:11 chris how many items in the catalogue, how many circulations do you do in a day 05:11 digitalfredy how is big? 05:10 chris digitalfredy: how big is your library? 05:02 digitalfredy Hello friends, any know if are some recipe for select the server hardware (Procesor, memory, hard disk ...) 03:46 brendan hi amit 03:39 chris hiya amit 03:38 Amit hi chris, brendan 03:38 chris heh 01:54 chris_n-2nd cool 01:54 chris using DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader 01:53 chris and using that, should be able to create a db in any sql engine 01:52 chris thats the schema files 01:52 chris_n-2nd yeah, seems abstraction is best 01:52 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=lib/Koha/Schema;h=f04cfa39433ef6a18d19523f3e8197d62676d5c8;hb=e28ead9cc0b5b9341c1398e8354ca285574e3f9a 01:51 chris which i think is a way around having to have 2 schema's 01:51 chris havent really got very far, got distracted doing DBIx::class 01:50 chris_n-2nd how's the pg work coming? 01:48 chris yeah its a good blogpost 01:38 chris that's awesome 01:38 chris_n-2nd and put them back to work once the new building was complete 01:38 chris_n-2nd paid all of his staff the entire time he was shut down 01:38 chris_n-2nd his restaurant was burned out - he closed for nearly two years to rebuild a new place 01:37 chris_n-2nd a similar thing happened to my wife's first cousin some years ago 01:37 chris_n-2nd neat 01:33 chris that's good news 01:33 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2726883/Cafe-gives-burnt-out-rival-Maranui-a-helping-hand 01:32 chris :) 01:32 chris_n-2nd In all of its various implications... :-P 01:31 chris_n-2nd I'm beginning to believe the old adage: No news is good news. 01:26 chris is the big news in nz at the moment 01:26 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/2725366/Search-for-ferry-survivors-continues 01:26 chris whats the big news there? 00:56 brendan see you in a bit #koha 00:30 pianohacker night 23:40 Jo cool 23:40 Jo :) 23:38 chris typing fail 23:37 chris sorry i meant i forwarded it 23:37 Jo his email same pattern as yours? 23:34 chris Jo: forward the email to Don to read, but I like it 23:31 atz in general, that's the right posture though 23:31 atz yeah, but to be clear at kohacon david was talking about all kinds of features we haven't seen a hair of 23:30 chris know=now 23:30 chris atz: we have a public statement we can hold them too know, and they are sending feature patches, so it's looking up 23:30 chris yeah owen might be the first of my 'Sung heroes, but needs to be sung more loudly" posts 23:29 atz uh, yeah... sounds good, but "show us the code" 23:29 Jo This is so cool: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=332 Thanks Owen, I love reading your stuff 23:21 chris thanks Jo 23:19 Jo chris: email sent to you 23:19 Jo I'd liked the email - and yes, wish it had been sent 6 months ago :) 23:14 chris an email like that earlier from others could have stopped this in its tracks 23:14 pianohacker Sending the message, yes. 23:14 chris smart move by PTFS though 23:14 chris heh 23:13 pianohacker (re mailing list) It's like there's a hornet's nest with a giant target painted on its side, and people can't resist the urge to kick it 23:02 atz had it since.... well... whatever day GTA IV came out. 23:01 atz pretty well. hasn't died on me yet or even had any problems 23:00 pianohacker How do you like it? 23:00 pianohacker Oh, cool 22:59 atz my best friend from high school is a PS3 developer, so that affected my decision 22:58 pianohacker In the flesh 22:58 pianohacker Hey everybody, come quick and look, a PS3 owner! 22:56 chris heh 22:56 atz pretty fun 22:56 atz speaking of cake, i started playing "fat princess" on PS3 last night 21:24 pianohacker everybody's happy 21:24 pianohacker You get the rubber cake, I get the real one 21:24 pianohacker Hehehe 21:24 joetho please pass the CAKE, pianohacker (ducks quickly) 21:17 pianohacker cake! 21:17 chris cake++ 21:17 chris ohhh russel is gonna make a cake for koha anniversary 21:16 chris was a good meeting, got through the agenda, didnt drag to long, lots of positives 21:14 joetho thd: see links above for log and summary 21:13 thd GMT should be expressed in 24 format but my mind inserted PM when my eyes were not looking. 21:12 joetho I even used a french translater thing while perusing the biblibre site this morning. I am SO global today! 21:11 chris so its only gonna get better 21:11 chris the good news is, the majority of developers agree on the need for more open communication and development 21:11 pianohacker thd: I made the same mistake up until a day ago 21:11 joetho thd: I had 2pm us central time on my calendar. Silly me. 21:11 chris *nod( 21:11 joetho correct? 21:11 thd I had misread the time in accordance with my expectation of what it would be. 21:10 joetho git for those doing the heavy lifting; bugzilla for everybody 21:10 chris and the earlier you can reconcile the easier it is 21:10 chris because often people are working on overlapping features 21:10 chris and things like WIP branches of public git repos too 21:09 joetho bugzilla bugzilla bugzilla 21:09 joetho speedy development makes communication critically important. 21:09 Jo gmcharlt: i think you are entitled to pull rank on thatone ;) 21:09 joetho surprise to us, particularly since we had considering sponsoring a similar effort 21:09 chris yep, from multiple sources jo 21:08 Jo devel;opment seems tobe happening really fast 21:08 chris hehe 21:08 gmcharlt I'm never planning to hold one at 2 a.m. in my time zone ;) 21:08 chris they werent total suprise, but yeah not publicised enough 21:08 gmcharlt relatively speaking 21:08 gmcharlt <chris> so everyone gets a turn of the crap time 21:08 joetho and that the oct date seems realistic. 21:07 joetho i am very pleased to hear of the surprise additions to 3.2 21:06 chris heh 21:06 joetho I slept through a lengthy part of it 21:06 chris they pretty much always are 21:05 joetho cordial meeting 21:05 joetho read summary here http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09aug05 21:04 thd Wow 21:04 chris or 10pm 21:04 chris its nearly 20:00 GMT 21:04 pianohacker thd: 10:00 AM GMT 21:03 joetho read log here http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl?user=&startdate=2009080503%3A00%3A58&enddate=2009080504%3A25%3A00&save=save 21:03 thd not GMT 21:03 chris not gmt 21:03 thd Today is the 5th 21:03 Jo U time 21:03 chris on the 5th 21:03 chris yes 21:03 Jo jjoetho: gives you a nice long day to gets heaps done 21:03 thd Was it not 10.00 GMT? 21:02 joetho good for the soul. 21:02 chris so everyone gets a turn of the crap time 21:02 Jo share the love :) 21:02 chris we move it round joetho 21:02 joetho it was surreal 21:02 joetho 4 am for me 21:02 chris yep 21:02 Jo :) 21:02 thd really? 21:02 Jo about 12 hours ago 21:02 chris was last night thd 21:02 Jo no thd 21:01 Jo work going ok for you ? 21:01 thd Is there an IRC meeting now? 21:01 chris sure is 21:01 Jo nice day again 21:00 chris hiya jo 20:59 Jo Good morning all 20:42 pianohacker hello 20:36 richard hi 19:59 pianohacker Wow 19:59 chris_n 3.175cm hail... not bad for NC, USA 19:55 pianohacker Just did first upgrade with improved interface, gmcharlt++ 19:47 chris ttyl later 19:47 chris ok time to go to work 19:06 jdavidb Howdy, chris. 19:01 pianohacker Hallo, chris 19:01 chris hi from NZ 19:01 pianohacker ah 19:01 Sharon theme this year is Open Source 19:01 Sharon Howard County - we have Amy Begg De Groff here for our annual tech conference 19:01 danny oh very cool 19:00 Sharon We're demonstrating our Koha install for her now. 19:00 pianohacker danny: ? 19:00 danny *laughs* Thank you Sharon for passing along the message from Amy 18:51 jdavidb Figured as much. 18:50 thd jdavidb: the command I gave also has a an authorities corollary 18:49 jdavidb Might see about doing that, thd. 18:49 thd jdavidb: maybe with rebooting in addition my suggestion would work without wiping the file system 18:47 thd I favour wiping the filesystem as a solution 18:46 thd using the command I reported and then the usual reindexing procedure 18:46 jdavidb Beats what I've got, at the moment, though, so it's worth a shot. 18:45 thd jdavidb: I still had some phantom index results for records which no longer existed 18:45 thd jdavidb: I had not found my suggestion to be a perfect solution 18:44 jdavidb I'm gonna try thd's suggestion this evening; in the meantime, title search is working, and that'll keep 'em going along, for the nonce. 18:34 jdavidb Hm. Only problem right *now* is that the connection I have to the server is hiccupy. Very frustrating. 18:33 pianohacker jdavidb: I've found it helps sometimes 18:33 jdavidb Hadn't tried that, pianohacker...never been necessary before. 18:33 pianohacker thd: I agree. The source code is actually _worse_, even 18:33 pianohacker jdavidb: If you run zebrasrv in a console, does it print out anything interesting when you search? 18:32 thd much too much like a black box with a few poorly labelled knobs 18:32 jdavidb Lordy. Well, I guess I gotta. (tonight. It's partly working anyway...) 18:31 thd Zebra is still much too mysterious. 18:31 thd but I have still found some phantom records after even that measure 18:31 thd yes 18:30 jdavidb Hrm. That, and then reindex, thd? 18:29 jdavidb Elapsed: 0.006083 18:29 jdavidb records returned: 0 18:29 jdavidb SearchResult-1: term=33295000395969 cnt=0 18:29 jdavidb Number of hits: 0, setno 2 18:29 jdavidb Search was a success. 18:29 thd I have found the following necessary to have some hope of replacing the Zebra index zebraidx -c Path/To/Zebra/Config/zebra-biblios.cfg -g iso2709 -d biblios init 18:29 jdavidb Received SearchResponse. 18:29 jdavidb Sent searchRequest. 18:29 jdavidb Z> f 33295000395969 18:29 jdavidb Z> base biblios 18:29 jdavidb all right...that time it worked (typo...) It just didn't *find* anything: 18:24 jdavidb *nod* 18:24 atz if that doesn't work.... try switching to port 18:24 atz jdavidb: check permissions on socket 18:24 jdavidb Somethin' amiss. Yaz-client still can't connect to the bibliosocket, and that Just Is Not Right. 18:18 Sharon Amy says Hi, Danny 18:16 jdavidb There were a few out there already that hadn't been done. -b -z -v looks very normal. 18:15 gmcharlt insert rows into zebraqueue, then -b -z -v 18:15 gmcharlt could try selective indexing 18:15 gmcharlt yup 18:15 jdavidb (it'll also take a couple of hours. Biggish catalog. 18:14 jdavidb Won't that dump it and start over? Did that last night. 18:13 gmcharlt -b -r -v 18:13 jdavidb That's what I did last night, gmcharlt, and it looked normal, then. Run now with what params? 18:12 gmcharlt jdavidb: anything interesting if you run rebuild_zebra.pl with -v ? 18:12 thd Old Zebra indexes act like undead creatures. 18:11 jdavidb And I reindexed with -r -w, as I always do. 18:11 jdavidb Just to be safe, I just did it again. Restarted..no change. 18:11 jdavidb There had been, but I wiped out the socket files after I shut it down. 18:10 thd jdavidb: Had there been a Zebra index previously? 18:10 jdavidb I shut it down last night, reinstalled, and reind...waitaminit. 18:09 thd jdavidb: have you really purged the zebra index before reindexing? 18:09 jdavidb I wouldn't think that'd affect barcode searching. 18:08 jwagner The site does not seem to be using collection codes -- just item types (i.e., no 952$8). Relevant? 18:08 jdavidb This is novel: "Could not resolve address /var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket" ...but such a file exists. 18:06 gmcharlt depending on config, may need to put auth command before doing the open 18:06 gmcharlt f query 18:06 gmcharlt base biblios 18:06 gmcharlt open /path/to/bib/socket 18:06 gmcharlt yaz-client 18:06 gmcharlt jdavidb: not particularly 18:05 jdavidb I know there's a way to talk to Zebra dreckly, but don't recall the process--painful? 18:02 jdavidb Hrm. ps -ef shows the process, and all the params look like I expect. 17:59 gmcharlt depends - default run script for zebrasrv keeps the log level pretty quiet nowadays 17:59 atz or your "real logs" are someplace else? 17:59 jdavidb The only instance on the box... *boggle* 17:59 atz then you aren't searching that instance. 17:57 jdavidb ...are empty. 17:56 jdavidb Framework test is good. Logs... 17:55 atz run your marc frameworks test... just in case 17:55 pianohacker Zebra just can't see the 952 tag, for whatever reason 17:55 pianohacker bib-level indexing 17:55 atz not item searching 17:55 atz jdavidb: but that's *title* searching 17:54 jdavidb Well, but other searches by keyword work fine. 17:54 pianohacker jdavidb: It sounds like item indexing in general is broken 17:54 gmcharlt checking Zebra logs for errors is a good idea at this piont 17:54 jdavidb Jane says not. Click a type in advanced search, with no terms, and you get nothing. 17:53 pianohacker Can you search by itemtype, ccode, etc.? 17:52 pianohacker That is very odd. 17:52 jdavidb Both ways, pianohacker, and neither work. 17:52 pianohacker jdavidb: Are you searching using just the plain barcode, or using barcode:<barcode> ? 17:52 jdavidb Right out of the box, pretty close. Very confusing. 17:51 jdavidb Nope. 17:51 atz dunno... did you modify frameworks? 17:51 jdavidb Here's a puzzler---why would a brand-spanking new upgrade--with reindex--from 3.0.x to HEAD not be able to search the catalog by barcode? Anyone have a clue? Checked record.abs, and it's right. 17:35 atz no, they're still sleeping 17:35 gmcharlt atz: nice. do the kittens know? 17:34 atz hah... there's a little yellow finch perched on my tomato plant by the window.... 17:26 nicomo seeya 17:26 nicomo and with that piece of philosophy, I'll leave you for today all 17:25 nicomo gmcharlt: a few tropical islands look a lot like that, I guess. At least from afar 17:23 nicomo I'm still searching for the land of the Free Vacationer though 17:23 jdavidb The United States: Land of the Free-until-you-see-that-bill-ZOMG! 17:23 nicomo yeah, the US is the land of the free, we in France are the land of the vacationer :-) 16:41 pianohacker Heh. Cool 16:41 paul_p2 otherwise, it's quite calm in France. Everybody is in vacation in France :D 16:41 paul_p2 working on BibLibre business plan for 2010-2012. VERY interesting ! 16:41 pianohacker Hehe 16:41 paul_p2 you're right, it's fine to have a chat sans drame (in french ;-) ) 16:41 pianohacker How are you? 16:40 pianohacker Hello, paul 16:40 paul_p2 hi pianohacker 16:40 pianohacker meetings_sans_drama++ 14:50 joetho sysgroups seems like a bit of an orphan, referred to in many potential enhancements 14:39 wizzyrea so... there's an opportunity there >.> 14:39 wizzyrea that's what I thought. Damn shame. 14:37 gmcharlt wizzyrea: the skeleton thereof, most likely, but that project was never fully sponsored 14:35 wizzyrea gmcharlt? 14:35 wizzyrea is that still coming in 3.2? 14:35 wizzyrea what ever happened to sysgroups? 13:57 cau0730 i have found that all ready. i appreciate all the help everyone has given all ready 13:56 jdavidb cau0730: This is a very helpful community; no one can usually promise any given time to help out, without some planning, but pop in here any time, and there's usually someone that can help with any issues you've got. 13:50 cau0730 thank you all. i hope we still keep koha but I can't promise this as now there is politics that will play a role 13:48 gmcharlt my best to you and your colleagues at your SIS 13:48 jdavidb cau0730: Gosh, I'm sorry to hear about that! 13:48 gmcharlt cau0730: I am very sorry to hear that 13:47 cau0730 so there has been a tragedy at my work and now i am not sure that we will be continuing with Koha. We have too much to do on it and our lead programmer died in a motorcycle accident and now I must take over as lead programmer for our SIS 13:31 cau0730 hi all 12:53 tomascohen galen: thanks 12:52 gmcharlt tomascohen: http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl 12:50 tomascohen as we're already implementing them 12:49 tomascohen i'm interested in the days fines stuff 12:48 tomascohen is there any bot "recording" this room? i'd like to review what's been said about liblime contrbutions 12:45 Amit bye 12:45 Amit i have to go home see u tomorrow 12:44 Amit thanks galen, jdavidb, jwagner 12:40 jdavidb (And it's been a year since I've done any SD API. Might be rusty.) 12:40 jdavidb First round, after all. 12:40 gmcharlt that little? ;) 12:40 jdavidb Galen, I'll take Sirsi API for $500, please. 12:39 jdavidb Yeah, the flatfile layout *groan*...it worked, but it could be a pain. "*** DOCUMENT BOUNDARY ***" anyone? 12:39 gmcharlt hmm - looks like Innopac did as well 12:38 jwagner Unicorn did a pseudo-MARC, I think -- flatfile layout anyway. 12:38 jdavidb It would be kinda handy, I suppose, to be able to use your MARC handler to build and unravel records like that, but expressing people in MARC-ish form is *so* non-standard, that the hazards would outweigh the benefits, I'd think. 12:37 Amit i think VTLS uses patron data in MARC format 12:36 jdavidb Wasn't DRA Classic, I don't think, unless they added it after Sirsi bought 'em. Used to be on that system, and don't recall ever seeing that. 12:36 Amit thanks 12:36 Amit i will check 12:36 Amit ok 12:36 gmcharlt don't remember for sure, but I think PALS or DRA Classic 12:36 Amit galen: which system? 12:35 gmcharlt Amit: at least one system can output patron data in a pseudo-MARC format, but it's not standard 12:35 Amit i mean to say it is possible parton data in marc format 12:34 jwagner Not sure what you mean 12:34 Amit i m right 12:34 Amit i think no 12:34 Amit jwagner: some one asking me parton data in MARC format it is possible 12:34 jwagner Hi Amit 12:33 Amit hi jwagner 12:13 kmkale will do it right away 12:13 kmkale thanks 12:13 chris its past midnight and i have work in the morning, but file the enhancement and i will take a look and give you an estimate bout how many hours i guess it would take 12:12 chris_n g'night chris 12:12 kmkale by chris thanks 12:12 kmkale a few more are waiting for this feature to jump in with koha 12:12 chris i have to go to sleep now 12:12 chris cool 12:12 kmkale and willing to beta 12:11 kmkale I have a few libraries like this already on koha 12:11 kmkale true chris 12:11 chris so it would need lots of testing 12:11 chris or debar them when they have already paid etc 12:11 chris you dont want to charge people too much 12:10 kmkale cause the public libraries here are so poor they wont be able to sponser this. so I will try with other interested koha users 12:10 chris you have to get it right 12:10 chris because it is dealing with money 12:10 chris its doable 12:09 kmkale chris: in your opinion how doable is this? in terms of expertise and man hours? 12:08 chris yep, just make sure the enhancement request contains as much of these requirements as you can put in 12:08 kmkale that way all fees get updated when fee structure is changed 12:07 kmkale but the staff can feed fees as per member type or it can be picked up from a table linked to patron type 12:05 kmkale students, external patrons, life members all are charged diffrent rates 12:05 chris (all things that should go in the enhancement request) 12:05 kmkale yes 12:05 chris for different categories 12:05 chris do you ever charge different rates 12:05 kmkale yes 12:04 chris ie dont charge the staff 12:04 kmkale new feesfrequency 12:04 chris and also you would need to be able to choose what category of patron gets charged it 12:04 kmkale new finetype = fees 12:04 kmkale so a frequency type 12:04 kmkale yes 12:03 chris it still works for them 12:03 chris so that if some other library charges weekly 12:03 chris yes, but for a feature to go in, it should be customisable 12:03 kmkale and also annual 12:03 kmkale monthly, bi, quarterly and life 12:03 kmkale actually it is so chris 12:03 Amit yes chris 12:02 chris could be monthly, could be bimonthly, could be yearly etc 12:02 chris there would have to be a section where you can set up the amount, and when it is charged 12:02 kmkale Amit: yes 12:02 Amit kmkale: Your library charges monthly fees? 12:01 chris new finetype would do 12:01 kmkale or a new fine type woulddo? 12:01 kmkale a new db table to track it? 12:00 chris all of them involve a cron job 12:00 chris i can think of a few ways to do it 12:00 kmkale humm. Its a absolute must have for all public libraries in Maharashtra, India 12:00 chris step 2 is finding someone to write the code :)