Time Nick Message 12:00 chris step 2 is finding someone to write the code :) 12:00 kmkale humm. Its a absolute must have for all public libraries in Maharashtra, India 12:00 chris i can think of a few ways to do it 12:00 chris all of them involve a cron job 12:01 kmkale a new db table to track it? 12:01 kmkale or a new fine type woulddo? 12:01 chris new finetype would do 12:02 Amit kmkale: Your library charges monthly fees? 12:02 kmkale Amit: yes 12:02 chris there would have to be a section where you can set up the amount, and when it is charged 12:02 chris could be monthly, could be bimonthly, could be yearly etc 12:03 Amit yes chris 12:03 kmkale actually it is so chris 12:03 kmkale monthly, bi, quarterly and life 12:03 kmkale and also annual 12:03 chris yes, but for a feature to go in, it should be customisable 12:03 chris so that if some other library charges weekly 12:03 chris it still works for them 12:04 kmkale yes 12:04 kmkale so a frequency type 12:04 kmkale new finetype = fees 12:04 chris and also you would need to be able to choose what category of patron gets charged it 12:04 kmkale new feesfrequency 12:04 chris ie dont charge the staff 12:05 kmkale yes 12:05 chris do you ever charge different rates 12:05 chris for different categories 12:05 kmkale yes 12:05 chris (all things that should go in the enhancement request) 12:05 kmkale students, external patrons, life members all are charged diffrent rates 12:07 kmkale but the staff can feed fees as per member type or it can be picked up from a table linked to patron type 12:08 kmkale that way all fees get updated when fee structure is changed 12:08 chris yep, just make sure the enhancement request contains as much of these requirements as you can put in 12:09 kmkale chris: in your opinion how doable is this? in terms of expertise and man hours? 12:10 chris its doable 12:10 chris because it is dealing with money 12:10 chris you have to get it right 12:10 kmkale cause the public libraries here are so poor they wont be able to sponser this. so I will try with other interested koha users 12:11 chris you dont want to charge people too much 12:11 chris or debar them when they have already paid etc 12:11 chris so it would need lots of testing 12:11 kmkale true chris 12:11 kmkale I have a few libraries like this already on koha 12:12 kmkale and willing to beta 12:12 chris cool 12:12 chris i have to go to sleep now 12:12 kmkale a few more are waiting for this feature to jump in with koha 12:12 kmkale by chris thanks 12:12 chris_n g'night chris 12:13 chris its past midnight and i have work in the morning, but file the enhancement and i will take a look and give you an estimate bout how many hours i guess it would take 12:13 kmkale thanks 12:13 kmkale will do it right away 12:33 Amit hi jwagner 12:34 jwagner Hi Amit 12:34 Amit jwagner: some one asking me parton data in MARC format it is possible 12:34 Amit i think no 12:34 Amit i m right 12:34 jwagner Not sure what you mean 12:35 Amit i mean to say it is possible parton data in marc format 12:35 gmcharlt Amit: at least one system can output patron data in a pseudo-MARC format, but it's not standard 12:36 Amit galen: which system? 12:36 gmcharlt don't remember for sure, but I think PALS or DRA Classic 12:36 Amit ok 12:36 Amit i will check 12:36 Amit thanks 12:36 jdavidb Wasn't DRA Classic, I don't think, unless they added it after Sirsi bought 'em. Used to be on that system, and don't recall ever seeing that. 12:37 Amit i think VTLS uses patron data in MARC format 12:38 jdavidb It would be kinda handy, I suppose, to be able to use your MARC handler to build and unravel records like that, but expressing people in MARC-ish form is *so* non-standard, that the hazards would outweigh the benefits, I'd think. 12:38 jwagner Unicorn did a pseudo-MARC, I think -- flatfile layout anyway. 12:39 gmcharlt hmm - looks like Innopac did as well 12:39 jdavidb Yeah, the flatfile layout *groan*...it worked, but it could be a pain. "*** DOCUMENT BOUNDARY ***" anyone? 12:40 jdavidb Galen, I'll take Sirsi API for $500, please. 12:40 gmcharlt that little? ;) 12:40 jdavidb First round, after all. 12:40 jdavidb (And it's been a year since I've done any SD API. Might be rusty.) 12:44 Amit thanks galen, jdavidb, jwagner 12:45 Amit i have to go home see u tomorrow 12:45 Amit bye 12:48 tomascohen is there any bot "recording" this room? i'd like to review what's been said about liblime contrbutions 12:49 tomascohen i'm interested in the days fines stuff 12:50 tomascohen as we're already implementing them 12:52 gmcharlt tomascohen: http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl 12:53 tomascohen galen: thanks 13:31 cau0730 hi all 13:47 cau0730 so there has been a tragedy at my work and now i am not sure that we will be continuing with Koha. We have too much to do on it and our lead programmer died in a motorcycle accident and now I must take over as lead programmer for our SIS 13:48 gmcharlt cau0730: I am very sorry to hear that 13:48 jdavidb cau0730: Gosh, I'm sorry to hear about that! 13:48 gmcharlt my best to you and your colleagues at your SIS 13:50 cau0730 thank you all. i hope we still keep koha but I can't promise this as now there is politics that will play a role 13:56 jdavidb cau0730: This is a very helpful community; no one can usually promise any given time to help out, without some planning, but pop in here any time, and there's usually someone that can help with any issues you've got. 13:57 cau0730 i have found that all ready. i appreciate all the help everyone has given all ready 14:35 wizzyrea what ever happened to sysgroups? 14:35 wizzyrea is that still coming in 3.2? 14:35 wizzyrea gmcharlt? 14:37 gmcharlt wizzyrea: the skeleton thereof, most likely, but that project was never fully sponsored 14:39 wizzyrea that's what I thought. Damn shame. 14:39 wizzyrea so... there's an opportunity there >.> 14:50 joetho sysgroups seems like a bit of an orphan, referred to in many potential enhancements 16:40 pianohacker meetings_sans_drama++ 16:40 paul_p2 hi pianohacker 16:40 pianohacker Hello, paul 16:41 pianohacker How are you? 16:41 paul_p2 you're right, it's fine to have a chat sans drame (in french ;-) ) 16:41 pianohacker Hehe 16:41 paul_p2 working on BibLibre business plan for 2010-2012. VERY interesting ! 16:41 paul_p2 otherwise, it's quite calm in France. Everybody is in vacation in France :D 16:41 pianohacker Heh. Cool 17:23 nicomo yeah, the US is the land of the free, we in France are the land of the vacationer :-) 17:23 jdavidb The United States: Land of the Free-until-you-see-that-bill-ZOMG! 17:23 nicomo I'm still searching for the land of the Free Vacationer though 17:25 nicomo gmcharlt: a few tropical islands look a lot like that, I guess. At least from afar 17:26 nicomo and with that piece of philosophy, I'll leave you for today all 17:26 nicomo seeya 17:34 atz hah... there's a little yellow finch perched on my tomato plant by the window.... 17:35 gmcharlt atz: nice. do the kittens know? 17:35 atz no, they're still sleeping 17:51 jdavidb Here's a puzzler---why would a brand-spanking new upgrade--with reindex--from 3.0.x to HEAD not be able to search the catalog by barcode? Anyone have a clue? Checked record.abs, and it's right. 17:51 atz dunno... did you modify frameworks? 17:51 jdavidb Nope. 17:52 jdavidb Right out of the box, pretty close. Very confusing. 17:52 pianohacker jdavidb: Are you searching using just the plain barcode, or using barcode:<barcode> ? 17:52 jdavidb Both ways, pianohacker, and neither work. 17:52 pianohacker That is very odd. 17:53 pianohacker Can you search by itemtype, ccode, etc.? 17:54 jdavidb Jane says not. Click a type in advanced search, with no terms, and you get nothing. 17:54 gmcharlt checking Zebra logs for errors is a good idea at this piont 17:54 pianohacker jdavidb: It sounds like item indexing in general is broken 17:54 jdavidb Well, but other searches by keyword work fine. 17:55 atz jdavidb: but that's *title* searching 17:55 atz not item searching 17:55 pianohacker bib-level indexing 17:55 pianohacker Zebra just can't see the 952 tag, for whatever reason 17:55 atz run your marc frameworks test... just in case 17:56 jdavidb Framework test is good. Logs... 17:57 jdavidb ...are empty. 17:59 atz then you aren't searching that instance. 17:59 jdavidb The only instance on the box... *boggle* 17:59 atz or your "real logs" are someplace else? 17:59 gmcharlt depends - default run script for zebrasrv keeps the log level pretty quiet nowadays 18:02 jdavidb Hrm. ps -ef shows the process, and all the params look like I expect. 18:05 jdavidb I know there's a way to talk to Zebra dreckly, but don't recall the process--painful? 18:06 gmcharlt jdavidb: not particularly 18:06 gmcharlt yaz-client 18:06 gmcharlt open /path/to/bib/socket 18:06 gmcharlt base biblios 18:06 gmcharlt f query 18:06 gmcharlt depending on config, may need to put auth command before doing the open 18:08 jdavidb This is novel: "Could not resolve address /var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket" ...but such a file exists. 18:08 jwagner The site does not seem to be using collection codes -- just item types (i.e., no 952$8). Relevant? 18:09 jdavidb I wouldn't think that'd affect barcode searching. 18:09 thd jdavidb: have you really purged the zebra index before reindexing? 18:10 jdavidb I shut it down last night, reinstalled, and reind...waitaminit. 18:10 thd jdavidb: Had there been a Zebra index previously? 18:11 jdavidb There had been, but I wiped out the socket files after I shut it down. 18:11 jdavidb Just to be safe, I just did it again. Restarted..no change. 18:11 jdavidb And I reindexed with -r -w, as I always do. 18:12 thd Old Zebra indexes act like undead creatures. 18:12 gmcharlt jdavidb: anything interesting if you run rebuild_zebra.pl with -v ? 18:13 jdavidb That's what I did last night, gmcharlt, and it looked normal, then. Run now with what params? 18:13 gmcharlt -b -r -v 18:14 jdavidb Won't that dump it and start over? Did that last night. 18:15 jdavidb (it'll also take a couple of hours. Biggish catalog. 18:15 gmcharlt yup 18:15 gmcharlt could try selective indexing 18:15 gmcharlt insert rows into zebraqueue, then -b -z -v 18:16 jdavidb There were a few out there already that hadn't been done. -b -z -v looks very normal. 18:18 Sharon Amy says Hi, Danny 18:24 jdavidb Somethin' amiss. Yaz-client still can't connect to the bibliosocket, and that Just Is Not Right. 18:24 atz jdavidb: check permissions on socket 18:24 atz if that doesn't work.... try switching to port 18:24 jdavidb *nod* 18:29 jdavidb all right...that time it worked (typo...) It just didn't *find* anything: 18:29 jdavidb Z> base biblios 18:29 jdavidb Z> f 33295000395969 18:29 jdavidb Sent searchRequest. 18:29 jdavidb Received SearchResponse. 18:29 thd I have found the following necessary to have some hope of replacing the Zebra index zebraidx -c Path/To/Zebra/Config/zebra-biblios.cfg -g iso2709 -d biblios init 18:29 jdavidb Search was a success. 18:29 jdavidb Number of hits: 0, setno 2 18:29 jdavidb SearchResult-1: term=33295000395969 cnt=0 18:29 jdavidb records returned: 0 18:29 jdavidb Elapsed: 0.006083 18:30 jdavidb Hrm. That, and then reindex, thd? 18:31 thd yes 18:31 thd but I have still found some phantom records after even that measure 18:31 thd Zebra is still much too mysterious. 18:32 jdavidb Lordy. Well, I guess I gotta. (tonight. It's partly working anyway...) 18:32 thd much too much like a black box with a few poorly labelled knobs 18:33 pianohacker jdavidb: If you run zebrasrv in a console, does it print out anything interesting when you search? 18:33 pianohacker thd: I agree. The source code is actually _worse_, even 18:33 jdavidb Hadn't tried that, pianohacker...never been necessary before. 18:33 pianohacker jdavidb: I've found it helps sometimes 18:34 jdavidb Hm. Only problem right *now* is that the connection I have to the server is hiccupy. Very frustrating. 18:44 jdavidb I'm gonna try thd's suggestion this evening; in the meantime, title search is working, and that'll keep 'em going along, for the nonce. 18:45 thd jdavidb: I had not found my suggestion to be a perfect solution 18:45 thd jdavidb: I still had some phantom index results for records which no longer existed 18:46 jdavidb Beats what I've got, at the moment, though, so it's worth a shot. 18:46 thd using the command I reported and then the usual reindexing procedure 18:47 thd I favour wiping the filesystem as a solution 18:49 thd jdavidb: maybe with rebooting in addition my suggestion would work without wiping the file system 18:49 jdavidb Might see about doing that, thd. 18:50 thd jdavidb: the command I gave also has a an authorities corollary 18:51 jdavidb Figured as much. 19:00 danny *laughs* Thank you Sharon for passing along the message from Amy 19:00 pianohacker danny: ? 19:00 Sharon We're demonstrating our Koha install for her now. 19:01 danny oh very cool 19:01 Sharon Howard County - we have Amy Begg De Groff here for our annual tech conference 19:01 Sharon theme this year is Open Source 19:01 pianohacker ah 19:01 chris hi from NZ 19:01 pianohacker Hallo, chris 19:06 jdavidb Howdy, chris. 19:47 chris ok time to go to work 19:47 chris ttyl later 19:55 pianohacker Just did first upgrade with improved interface, gmcharlt++ 19:59 chris_n 3.175cm hail... not bad for NC, USA 19:59 pianohacker Wow 20:36 richard hi 20:42 pianohacker hello 20:59 Jo Good morning all 21:00 chris hiya jo 21:01 Jo nice day again 21:01 chris sure is 21:01 thd Is there an IRC meeting now? 21:01 Jo work going ok for you ? 21:02 Jo no thd 21:02 chris was last night thd 21:02 Jo about 12 hours ago 21:02 thd really? 21:02 Jo :) 21:02 chris yep 21:02 joetho 4 am for me 21:02 joetho it was surreal 21:02 chris we move it round joetho 21:02 Jo share the love :) 21:02 chris so everyone gets a turn of the crap time 21:02 joetho good for the soul. 21:03 thd Was it not 10.00 GMT? 21:03 Jo jjoetho: gives you a nice long day to gets heaps done 21:03 chris yes 21:03 chris on the 5th 21:03 Jo U time 21:03 thd Today is the 5th 21:03 chris not gmt 21:03 thd not GMT 21:03 joetho read log here http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl?user=&startdate=2009080503%3A00%3A58&enddate=2009080504%3A25%3A00&save=save 21:04 pianohacker thd: 10:00 AM GMT 21:04 chris its nearly 20:00 GMT 21:04 chris or 10pm 21:04 thd Wow 21:05 joetho read summary here http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09aug05 21:05 joetho cordial meeting 21:06 chris they pretty much always are 21:06 joetho I slept through a lengthy part of it 21:06 chris heh 21:07 joetho i am very pleased to hear of the surprise additions to 3.2 21:08 joetho and that the oct date seems realistic. 21:08 gmcharlt <chris> so everyone gets a turn of the crap time 21:08 gmcharlt relatively speaking 21:08 chris they werent total suprise, but yeah not publicised enough 21:08 gmcharlt I'm never planning to hold one at 2 a.m. in my time zone ;) 21:08 chris hehe 21:08 Jo devel;opment seems tobe happening really fast 21:09 chris yep, from multiple sources jo 21:09 joetho surprise to us, particularly since we had considering sponsoring a similar effort 21:09 Jo gmcharlt: i think you are entitled to pull rank on thatone ;) 21:09 joetho speedy development makes communication critically important. 21:09 joetho bugzilla bugzilla bugzilla 21:10 chris and things like WIP branches of public git repos too 21:10 chris because often people are working on overlapping features 21:10 chris and the earlier you can reconcile the easier it is 21:10 joetho git for those doing the heavy lifting; bugzilla for everybody 21:11 thd I had misread the time in accordance with my expectation of what it would be. 21:11 joetho correct? 21:11 chris *nod( 21:11 joetho thd: I had 2pm us central time on my calendar. Silly me. 21:11 pianohacker thd: I made the same mistake up until a day ago 21:11 chris the good news is, the majority of developers agree on the need for more open communication and development 21:11 chris so its only gonna get better 21:12 joetho I even used a french translater thing while perusing the biblibre site this morning. I am SO global today! 21:13 thd GMT should be expressed in 24 format but my mind inserted PM when my eyes were not looking. 21:14 joetho thd: see links above for log and summary 21:16 chris was a good meeting, got through the agenda, didnt drag to long, lots of positives 21:17 chris ohhh russel is gonna make a cake for koha anniversary 21:17 chris cake++ 21:17 pianohacker cake! 21:24 joetho please pass the CAKE, pianohacker (ducks quickly) 21:24 pianohacker Hehehe 21:24 pianohacker You get the rubber cake, I get the real one 21:24 pianohacker everybody's happy 22:56 atz speaking of cake, i started playing "fat princess" on PS3 last night 22:56 atz pretty fun 22:56 chris heh 22:58 pianohacker Hey everybody, come quick and look, a PS3 owner! 22:58 pianohacker In the flesh 22:59 atz my best friend from high school is a PS3 developer, so that affected my decision 23:00 pianohacker Oh, cool 23:00 pianohacker How do you like it? 23:01 atz pretty well. hasn't died on me yet or even had any problems 23:02 atz had it since.... well... whatever day GTA IV came out. 23:13 pianohacker (re mailing list) It's like there's a hornet's nest with a giant target painted on its side, and people can't resist the urge to kick it 23:14 chris heh 23:14 chris smart move by PTFS though 23:14 pianohacker Sending the message, yes. 23:14 chris an email like that earlier from others could have stopped this in its tracks 23:19 Jo I'd liked the email - and yes, wish it had been sent 6 months ago :) 23:19 Jo chris: email sent to you 23:21 chris thanks Jo 23:29 Jo This is so cool: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=332 Thanks Owen, I love reading your stuff 23:29 atz uh, yeah... sounds good, but "show us the code" 23:30 chris yeah owen might be the first of my 'Sung heroes, but needs to be sung more loudly" posts 23:30 chris atz: we have a public statement we can hold them too know, and they are sending feature patches, so it's looking up 23:30 chris know=now 23:31 atz yeah, but to be clear at kohacon david was talking about all kinds of features we haven't seen a hair of 23:31 atz in general, that's the right posture though 23:34 chris Jo: forward the email to Don to read, but I like it 23:37 Jo his email same pattern as yours? 23:37 chris sorry i meant i forwarded it 23:38 chris typing fail 23:40 Jo :) 23:40 Jo cool 00:30 pianohacker night 00:56 brendan see you in a bit #koha 01:26 chris whats the big news there? 01:26 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/2725366/Search-for-ferry-survivors-continues 01:26 chris is the big news in nz at the moment 01:31 chris_n-2nd I'm beginning to believe the old adage: No news is good news. 01:32 chris_n-2nd In all of its various implications... :-P 01:32 chris :) 01:33 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2726883/Cafe-gives-burnt-out-rival-Maranui-a-helping-hand 01:33 chris that's good news 01:37 chris_n-2nd neat 01:37 chris_n-2nd a similar thing happened to my wife's first cousin some years ago 01:38 chris_n-2nd his restaurant was burned out - he closed for nearly two years to rebuild a new place 01:38 chris_n-2nd paid all of his staff the entire time he was shut down 01:38 chris_n-2nd and put them back to work once the new building was complete 01:38 chris that's awesome 01:48 chris yeah its a good blogpost 01:50 chris_n-2nd how's the pg work coming? 01:51 chris havent really got very far, got distracted doing DBIx::class 01:51 chris which i think is a way around having to have 2 schema's 01:52 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=lib/Koha/Schema;h=f04cfa39433ef6a18d19523f3e8197d62676d5c8;hb=e28ead9cc0b5b9341c1398e8354ca285574e3f9a 01:52 chris_n-2nd yeah, seems abstraction is best 01:52 chris thats the schema files 01:53 chris and using that, should be able to create a db in any sql engine 01:54 chris using DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader 01:54 chris_n-2nd cool 03:38 chris heh 03:38 Amit hi chris, brendan 03:39 chris hiya amit 03:46 brendan hi amit 05:02 digitalfredy Hello friends, any know if are some recipe for select the server hardware (Procesor, memory, hard disk ...) 05:10 chris digitalfredy: how big is your library? 05:11 digitalfredy how is big? 05:11 chris how many items in the catalogue, how many circulations do you do in a day 05:11 chris that kinda thing 05:12 digitalfredy moment please, go to searsh notes 05:20 digitalfredy chris not find my notes about library, you wil do tomorro in the IRC? 05:21 chris yes, i should be here 05:21 digitalfredy i thik that is small or medium 05:21 chris a rule of thumb tho is 05:21 chris go for as much ram as you can afford 05:21 chris next is fast(ish) disk 05:22 chris finally if you have money left over spend it on the cpu 05:22 chris :) 05:22 digitalfredy chris, tanks 05:22 chris lots of ram will allow the database to run mostly out of ram, and be a bunch faster 05:23 digitalfredy if my proyect is approved i wil made the first instalation in my country 05:23 pie cool! 05:23 digitalfredy i not see any reported in the koha web 05:23 chris ohh what country is that? 05:23 digitalfredy Colombia 05:24 digitalfredy we speak in spanish 05:24 chris ohhh 05:24 chris i think there is maybe one 05:24 digitalfredy yes? i not se any in the map 05:25 chris yes, i might be mistaken but i think i have heard of one before 05:25 chris i will look around 05:25 chris you have seen http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers#south_america 05:26 chris (no colombia there either) 05:26 chris http://translate.koha.org/es/ 05:26 chris there are still a few words to be translated for spanish 05:26 chris but not many 05:28 chris is this you digitalfredy http://www.kohacolombia.org/wp/ ? 05:29 chris this was what i was thinking of, but they might have stopped work ... no entries for this year 05:29 digitalfredy nop 05:29 digitalfredy i am a Free Lance 05:29 digitalfredy i love linux and open source 05:29 chris but that is who i was thinking of 05:31 chris digitalfredy: cool :) 05:33 digitalfredy chris, is a log of instalation of koha in a universty deparatament 05:33 digitalfredy i not know obout it 05:34 chris ahhh thanks 05:34 digitalfredy i wil try go to university and review if koha is working 05:34 digitalfredy and made the report 05:37 digitalfredy have to sleep 05:37 digitalfredy tanks 05:37 digitalfredy very tanks friends 05:37 digitalfredy ;) 05:38 chris sleep well 05:38 chris buenos nuchos 05:38 chris i hope i spelt that right 06:32 kf good morning #koha 06:33 nicomo morning kf, morning all 06:33 nicomo so kf, nice boat trip? 06:36 kf yes 06:36 kf yes, but aching muscles today 06:41 indradg kf, went sailing? 06:41 kf more canoeing 06:41 indradg aah 06:53 chris morning europe 06:55 eiro hello nz :) 06:55 eiro hello rest of the wolrd also :) 06:55 chris :) 07:23 Kivutar hello 07:53 chris hi paul_p and Kivutar 07:54 Kivutar hi chris 07:54 paul_p internet connection working poorly this morning... 07:54 chris the foreign legion fire artillery at it? 07:55 chris (that made the news here, the fact they set fire to the hills) 07:55 paul_p lol no, they have too much to do with putting fire on the country :D 07:55 chris :) 07:55 Kivutar do I have to submit a bug report before pushing a unimarc pluggin wich will be usefull only to us? 07:55 paul_p (in fact, it should be :\ ) 07:56 chris you dont *have* to, but it doesnt hurt to do it :) 07:57 Kivutar ok :) 08:51 Amit hi kf, paul_p 09:03 kmkale chris:hi, did you have a chance to look at the enhancement I filed? About recurring fees? 09:03 kmkale http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3504 09:03 munin 04Bug 3504: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Recurring patron fees. 09:09 chris at a total estimate, id say between a week and 2 weeks work 09:09 chris (includng testing) 09:09 kmkale humm 09:10 kmkale cost estimate if someone were to sponsor it? 09:10 chris that would depend entirely on who was doing the work and what they charge 09:11 kmkale yes. If we were to attempt it ourselves, any suggestions on how to go about it? 09:12 chris take it in steps 09:12 chris 1st step build the interface and code to set the rules in the db 09:13 kmkale do you think its a good idea about a new table to hold frequency, patron type nd fee amount? 09:13 chris yep 09:14 kmkale how to hold the actual fee transactions? same as fines? 09:14 chris yes, using the accountlines table 09:14 kmkale ok. thats what I thought. 09:15 kmkale yesterday you said a new finetype would do. can you elaborate that idea? 09:15 chris for the accountlines 09:16 chris you need a different finetype, so it doesnt get mixed up with overdue fines etc 09:16 chris and so you can report on it etc 09:17 kmkale ok 09:17 kmkale anything else you would suggest? 09:17 kmkale 2nd step? 09:18 chris write the code to be run as a cron job 09:18 chris 3rd step 09:19 chris edit the circulation code, so that if you have the syspref set to enable recurring fees, circulation checks if its overdue 09:19 chris and stops you from issuing to borrowers with overdue fees 09:21 kmkale syspref to enable recurring fees and one more to set the number of days overdue tolerated? 09:21 chris yep 09:21 chris unless 09:21 chris that is patron specific too 09:21 chris in which case just one syspref to enable it 09:21 chris and you store the days overdue in the same table as the frequency and amount 09:21 chris actually that is a better way 09:21 kmkale right 09:22 kmkale with a default value 09:22 chris yep 09:23 kmkale I really hope the GIT tutorils come through ;) 09:24 kmkale thank you very much chris. 09:25 kmkale I hope there are others interested and will helpout. I am going to try this one.. 09:26 chris im sure there must be some other indian developers who might be able to help out 09:26 chris I dont have much time, but i can help with testing 09:27 kmkale :) and guidance now and again 09:29 chris heya lamiette 09:30 lamiette hey chris :) 09:30 chris nicomo, lamiette is who is working on the moodle SSO 09:30 nicomo hi lamiette 09:30 nicomo nice nick 09:30 lamiette bonjour nicomo :) 09:30 paul_p (at least nice nick in french ;-) ) 09:30 nicomo yeah :-) 09:30 matts hi chris, i'm here 09:31 chris matts: lamiette may have some questions for you about SSO stuff .. you should make her ask you in french though :-) 09:31 matts :-) 09:32 matts hello lamiette... how can I help you ? 09:32 nicomo lamiette: don't know if it's intended but "la miette" is "the (bread) crumb" 09:32 lamiette haha, apologies, but my french is far too rusty these days : 09:32 lamiette haha, apologies, but my french is far too rusty these days :) 09:32 Amit hi nicomo, lamiette 09:32 lamiette oopse, apparnelty my enter skills are also! 09:33 nicomo hi Amit 09:36 lamiette hey matts, I probably don't have many questions right now actually as I have a bit of research into CAS etc to go 09:37 matts ok... feel free to ask ! 09:37 lamiette but awesome that you did that work for Koha! :D I think it's going to make my end with Moodle a lot easier 09:37 lamiette I thought mainly I'd just pop in and say hello as I'm hoping I can slowly infiltrate my way into the Koha dev community. chris has won us over with his talks on koha :) 09:41 kmkale hi lamiette 09:41 kmkale I am also very interested on moodle SSO 09:42 kmkale 2 major pieces for any college 09:42 lamiette yeah, definitely 09:42 kmkale ILS and moodle 09:42 lamiette I am very interested in the whole "school in a box" idea 09:42 nicomo kmkale: lamiette here is refering to the exchange we had around this bug 09:42 nicomo http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3511 09:42 munin 04Bug 3511: enhancement, P5, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, Integration with Moodle 09:43 kmkale yes I am watching this bug 09:43 chris @karma 09:43 munin chris: Highest karma: "paul_p" (54), "hdl_laptop" (40), and "chris" (34). Lowest karma: "<!" (-9), "failed" (-9), and "<-" (-5). You (chris) are ranked 3 out of 346. 09:43 nicomo oh yes, I just see now that you're in the cc list, sorry 09:44 chris lol 09:44 chris someone must have pasted a template in here 09:44 nicomo this thing is fixed 09:44 chris and munin has got confused 09:44 chris <!-- 09:45 chris @karma for <! 09:45 munin chris: for <! has neutral karma. 09:45 chris @karma <! 09:45 munin chris: Karma for "<!" has been increased 0 times and decreased 10 times for a total karma of -10. 09:45 nicomo eh eh 09:45 paul_p lol !!! 09:45 nicomo paul_p I wonder if that explains your high ranking somehow, you know, hasty cut and paste or something 09:46 chris heh 09:46 nicomo :-) 09:46 paul_p it's just that i'm beloved here, it's not like on our BibLibre channel. PPl here see that i'm a smart guy... 09:46 chris jesse did that, he went through the old logs, and fed it into munin 09:47 chris so it has ++ from the history of the channel 09:47 chris @karma nicomo 09:47 munin chris: nicomo has neutral karma. 09:47 chris nicomo++ 09:47 chris there you can do one bad thing now 09:47 chris :) 09:47 nicomo I just did 09:48 nicomo taunting my business partner 09:48 nicomo :-) 09:48 chris @quote random 09:48 munin chris: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009) 09:50 nicomo @quote random 09:50 munin nicomo: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009) 09:50 nicomo @quote random 09:50 munin nicomo: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009) 09:50 chris @quote random 09:50 munin chris: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 09:37 PM, July 17, 2009) 09:51 chris ahh the bacon conversation 09:51 chris i remember that one 09:51 nicomo never knew bacon had a point 09:52 chris heh 09:52 chris lamiette would agree with you there 09:53 lamiette hehe 09:56 chris lamiette: another fun thing munin can do is 09:56 chris @weather marseille 09:56 munin chris: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 27.0°C (11:30 AM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 09:57 gmcharlt @wunder 32605 09:57 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in FoxFire Woods, Gainesville, Florida is 21.3°C (5:57 AM EDT on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising). 09:57 nicomo @weather wellington nz 09:57 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising). 09:57 nicomo brrrr, that's cold 09:57 chris well its night time :) 09:57 gmcharlt @wunder anchorage, alaska 09:57 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in The Spurlocks at Airport Heights, Anchorage, Alaska is 12.2°C (1:57 AM AKDT on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). 09:57 nicomo and winter 09:57 nicomo eheh, colder than alaska 09:58 nicomo @weather lyon, france 09:58 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Lyon Satolas, France is 28.0°C (11:30 AM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 09:58 nicomo much better 09:58 lamiette it is really cold, I can see my breath in the air inside my house it's that cold! (really wish we had double glazing on our windows) 09:58 chris nicomo wins 09:59 nicomo yeah, 28°C is pretty much the limit before it gets uncomfortable 09:59 chris altho if its 21.3 at 6am in gainesville, i think its gonna get hot where galen is today 09:59 gmcharlt oh, definitely 10:07 magnusenger @wunder bodø, norway 10:07 munin magnusenger: Error: No such location could be found. 10:07 magnusenger @wunder bodoe, norway 10:07 munin magnusenger: Error: No such location could be found. 10:07 magnusenger @wunder, bodo, norway 10:07 munin magnusenger: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 10:08 chris heh 10:08 magnusenger @wunder bodo, norway 10:08 munin magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 21.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 10:08 magnusenger cheeky munin! 10:09 chris heh 10:12 kf @wunder Konstanz 10:12 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 10:13 nicomo magnusenger 21°C is actually good for someone living above the polar circle, it seems to me, no? 10:13 magnusenger oh, yes, it's very good! And we have had a lot of good days this summer! ;-) 10:14 magnusenger http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Nordland/Bod%C3%B8/Bod%C3%B8/statistics.html For anyone who is REALLY interested! ;-) 10:15 chris -11 ?? 10:15 chris thats crazy talk 10:16 chris :) 10:16 magnusenger chris: you need some of that to get the snow that should be a part of any normal winter... ;-) 10:17 chris more crazy talk :) 10:17 magnusenger lots of places get colder, but we have a lot of wind and high humidity, so it feels much colder than what the thermometer shows 10:18 nicomo which is more crazy talk, if you ask me 10:18 chris heh 10:19 chris sounds like nicomo and i will both be retiring to a tropical island in the south pacific :) 10:19 nicomo ++ to that 10:20 magnusenger sounds like it! ;-) 10:20 magnusenger perhaps we could do a Koha conference up here in the middle of winter some time in the future? 10:22 chris which country has the ice hotel? 10:22 nicomo the idea of UP is relative, you know 10:22 nicomo depends how you look at earth 10:22 nicomo to I'm all for doing a conference up in, say, Fiji 10:22 nicomo s/to/so 10:22 nicomo :-) 10:25 gmcharlt polar_KohaCon++ 10:25 chris says the man who live in alaska 10:26 chris s/live/lived/ 10:26 nicomo polar_kohaCon in 2011 10:26 gmcharlt Palin aside, it's nothing to be ashamed of ;) 10:26 nicomo tropical_KohaCon in 2010 10:26 nicomo that's settled 10:26 gmcharlt ha! 10:26 nicomo paul_p: goes in 2011 10:26 nicomo I'll go in 2010 10:26 nicomo :-) 10:27 chris well its semi tropical 10:27 chris october in nz 10:27 chris gmcharlt: i actually want to do a cruise in alaska sometime 10:29 gmcharlt chris++ # highly, highly recommended, particularly if you go with a small ship 10:30 gmcharlt as long as you don't mind a couple chills, I recommend doing it very early in the tourist seasno 10:30 gmcharlt i.e., May 10:32 magnusenger chris: cruising along the coast of Norway is nice to, with Hurtigruten 10:33 magnusenger a bit expensive, though... 10:35 magnusenger an on topic question: i know Koha has a way of importing patrons, but how difficult is it to import active loans and reservations? 10:36 chris depends 10:37 chris on what info you can get out of your old ILS 10:38 chris basically you need a way to match the item and borrower to the values in your koha db 10:38 chris (itemnumber and borrowernumber) 10:39 magnusenger borrower should be ok, as long as they keep their barcodes 10:39 magnusenger more worried about the items 10:39 chris yeah you can do a search to find the borrowernumber where cardnumber = barcode 10:40 chris how does your old ILS store the info 10:40 magnusenger don't know what the old system can give me yet 10:40 magnusenger doing it for a client 10:40 chris if it stores borrower barcode and item barcode then not too hard 10:40 magnusenger good to hear! 10:40 chris if it stores it with some internal number 10:40 magnusenger not so easy... 10:41 chris then you have to match that with barcode, then match the barcode with the borrower in koha (or item) 10:42 magnusenger ok, i have asked the old vendor how they can export the data, so i'm eagerly awaiting their reply 11:37 Amit hi indradg_, kmkale 11:38 indradg_ Amit, hey!