Time  Nick        Message
11:58 kf          good nicht chris
11:55 jwagner     G'night chris
11:38 chris       awesome
11:37 jwagner     There's more to come -- haven't had a chance to finish the list.
11:37 chris       thanks heaps for filing those enhancement bugs, very useful
11:35 jwagner     Morning Chris
11:33 chris       hi jwagner
11:31 jwagner     Hi kf
11:31 kf          hi jwagner
10:20 chris       hehe
10:20 gmcharlt    you scared him off ;)
10:18 chris       hi schuster
10:14 kf          it shows the hours to midnight
10:14 magnusenger thanks!
10:14 magnusenger kf: hadnt thought about that! :-)
10:13 kf          ask wolfram alpha :)
10:13 chris       thats the time i have too magnusenger
10:13 magnusenger am I right in thinking that the general meeting will start in about 23 hours and 50 minutes? Still a bit confused by the time zones...
10:10 kf          not sure if I want to know how my English accent would get described
10:09 chris       its true
10:08 chris       hehe
10:08 gmcharlt    and then there's people like me, Americans who watched so much British TV at an impressionable age that there's no telling *what* accent we have ;)
10:07 indradg__   hhe
10:06 chris       shedule
10:06 chris       skedule
10:06 chris       heh
10:05 indradg__   don't need to look so far... me (on indian-style british english) and my wife (on american english) can't even agree on the pronunciation of "schedule" =P
10:01 gmcharlt    :)
10:00 chris       :)
10:00 chris       easy to remember
10:00 chris       sounds like flying mouse
10:00 chris       sounds so cool
10:00 chris       yep
09:59 kf          Fledermaus?
09:59 kf          bat?
09:59 chris       i like bat
09:59 kf          try that :)
09:59 kf          German word for squirrel is Eichhörnchen
09:58 chris       Chuchichäschtli
09:57 chris       the hardest word i know is the swiss german word for cupboard
09:57 chris       paul_p: i think he was making a joke :)
09:56 paul_p      gmcharlt: the "p" is silent in "coup de grace"
09:49 nicomo      the Ê? is difficult
09:49 nicomo      ËŒkuË?dÉ™ ˈɡrÉ‘Ë?s in English whereas kudəɡÊ?as in French
09:47 gmcharlt    "koop de gracie" ;)
09:45 nicomo      because it's so hard to pronounce in English
09:45 nicomo      my favorite is "coup de grace"
09:44 nicomo      but vis a vis
09:44 nicomo      vice versa is latin
09:44 nicomo      nope
09:43 chris       or vice versa
09:43 nicomo      when the French say "rugbyman" for "rugby player" ;-)
09:43 chris       like rendezvous
09:43 nicomo      I love when a language uses a word from another
09:42 nicomo      touché
09:42 chris       touche
09:42 chris       hehe
09:42 gmcharlt    ;)
09:41 gmcharlt    look in a mirror, dude
09:41 chris       good grief, its the man who never sleeps :)
09:40 kf          hi gmcharlt
09:39 gmcharlt    hi folks
09:36 Amit        hi nahuel
09:27 nahuel      :)
09:26 kf          hi nahuel
09:12 chris       hiya nahuel :)
09:11 nahuel      hi@all
08:48 chris       i think that more public WIP branches would help too
08:41 chris       yes, we need to improve this
08:40 nicomo      still we have to
08:40 nicomo      but we've not been good at this in the last couple of years
08:38 chris       or, "have you thought about doing x when you do y there?"
08:38 chris       and often you will get "oh i started on that, here take a look"
08:38 chris       *nod*
08:38 nicomo      you'll get feedback and avoid having it rejected afterwards
08:37 nicomo      magnusenger: if you discussed your intended dev beforehand with the community
08:37 nicomo      yes, that's exactly what we should aim for
08:37 nicomo      taking about the features, etc
08:37 chris       this is why im happy to see all the enhancements being logged by jwagner on bugs.koha.org
08:37 nicomo      prior to any developement taking place
08:36 nicomo      hence the need for better communication between vendors and generally among developpers
08:36 nicomo      magnusenger: you're quite right
08:35 chris       usually it is not rejected outright, but the implementation of it may be, until its fixed
08:35 chris       yep, altho it happens quite rarely
08:35 magnusenger so there can always be situations where a company develops something for a customer, but the dev is rejected by the RM
08:35 chris       altho with git, you are way less stuck than you were with cvs
08:34 chris       yep, true of every FOSS project
08:33 magnusenger to re-phrase paul_p: "if [the RM] don't want to accept a patch, then, we are stuck"
08:30 chris       *nod*
08:29 kf          and scared of their competitors?
08:29 chris       but it is the reality of working in the FOSS world, you cant be in control all the time
08:28 chris       so are perhaps scared
08:28 chris       so unlike biblibre and katipo etc they havent had to deal with RM's outside their control
08:27 chris       and have had RM for 3.0 and 3.2 (until recently)
08:27 chris       well, the thing to remember is LL have only been around since 2005
08:25 magnusenger to me it sounds like LL wants to have it's own RM for it's own version of Koha?
08:22 chris       but locking out the community elected release manager would be utter madness
08:22 chris       but in theory yes, they could lock galen out
08:21 chris       and still committed to git.koha.org .. so until that changes, its business as usual
08:21 chris       galen had his first day at his new job today
08:20 indradg__   chris, and totally subvert the community process
08:20 chris       unless LL want to try to kick out the release manager
08:20 chris       no, its not LL, its galen
08:20 paul_p      that's why, if LL don't want to accept a patch, then, we are stuck
08:19 chris       galen does
08:19 paul_p      chris: yep, but he has the "final cut" for patches on git.koha.org
08:19 chris       yep
08:19 kf          you can get all the data out of it, can you?
08:18 chris       thats the beauty with git, there are 100's of repo's
08:18 chris       they only own git.koha.org
08:17 chris       paul_p: thats not really true
08:17 kf          perhaps it would be a good idea to involve the liblime customers into the discussion to know what they think about it
08:16 paul_p      I can add that LL also own git, so they can do what they want with proposed patches. The only thing that they don't manage are the mailing lists (we -BibLibre- do), even if they have the DNS entry, of course.
08:16 kf          I still hope a new web site will not be necessary
08:15 paul_p      kf: dunno, but maybe. And anyway, that will be a pain.
08:15 kf          you think people might still end up looking at koha.org
08:13 kf          now I do, tried to look it up
08:13 chris       is similair
08:13 chris       kf: you understand that word? reputation
08:12 paul_p      yep, sorry
08:12 paul_p      mmm... sorry (wanted to speak of notorious)
08:12 chris       notoriety
08:12 kf          notoriouty?
08:12 paul_p      kf: right. But that would be very "expensive" in terms of notoriouty
08:11 kf          we discussed translating the manual - but I think we will do something with the online help and I will try to contribute this templates back
08:11 kf          thats bad, but I think the community can do something about it - and perhaps start a new web site if its necessary
08:09 paul_p      kf: the "main" problem is that it's LL that owns koha.org. So they can kick everybody out of the game if they want (but they won't do it, they'll just let things going nowhere)
08:08 paul_p      (chris: nope I didn't saw that)
08:08 paul_p      mason++
08:07 kf          so you get a separate koha version which perhaps will make it difficult to leave LL and pay not for your development and dont know what you exactly will get for your money?
08:07 chris       paul_p: in the good news front, has mason shown you this yet http://library.kapiticoast.govt.nz/ ?
08:06 paul_p      the more answers this mail will result in, the better result we will have !
08:06 paul_p      kf: you should answer publicly on koha ML
08:06 kf          and I think their funding model (I didnt understand it all of it) sounds like what you have with proprietary vendors
08:05 chris       which is what it was in the minutes :)
08:04 paul_p      katipo created 100% of koha 1, I created 80% of koha 2, and LL created 60% of koha 3
08:04 chris       paul_p: at least its not 97% anymore
08:04 paul_p      I can leave with it, but i'm tired of josh speaking of the 60% of the contributed code. Because it's wrong
08:03 paul_p      you're fully right
08:03 paul_p      kf++
08:03 paul_p      I would just change and say "LibLime and some of their customers ..."
08:02 kf          and when code is not given back or given back at a later point in time - koha develops so fast, will it be possible to integrate it into Koha then?
08:02 paul_p      kf: that's exactly it !
08:02 kf          I have a bad feeling when LibLime customers create kind of their own community outside of the koha community
08:02 paul_p      thanks. Summer weather in Marseille.
08:01 chris       hi paul and kf
08:01 paul_p      what's your opinion/feeling ?
08:01 kf          and good morning paul
08:01 kf          yes
08:01 paul_p      hello chris & kf & others
08:01 paul_p      kf: what are you speaking about ? "Support for Koha" ?
07:52 kf          interesting read on mailing lists today
07:51 chris       indradg__: you wanted me?
07:49 chris       back
07:29 indradg__   chris, aah sure :)
07:28 chris       d
07:28 chris       putting kids to be
07:28 chris       bbiab
07:28 chris       heya indradg__
07:26 indradg__   chris, ping
07:16 kf          hi chris
07:08 chris       morning europe
07:00 kf          good morning nicomo
06:58 nicomo      morning kf
06:47 kf          good morning #koha
04:36 Jo          (sorry - I'm terrible - I login then go and do something else without looking at whats happening :)
04:36 Jo          Hiya all
03:50 jdavidb     Yayez!  My indexing run finished up, so I'm done for the night.  Back up again in five hours, to head for work.  To bed!
03:42 pianohacker Good night (man it's much too late to be staring at the screen)
03:35 Amit        heya Jo
03:30 brendan     heya Jo
03:30 jdavidb     Hello, Jo.  :)
03:30 Wizzyrea_   hi jo
03:25 jdavidb     howdy, brendan!
03:25 Wizzyrea_   yo :)
03:25 brendan     heya there wizzyrea_ jdavidb
03:25 brendan     and all others :)
03:25 brendan     heya Amit
03:22 jdavidb     Hi, Amit! :)
03:22 Amit        heya Wizzyrea_, pianohacker
03:22 pianohacker Hi, Amit
03:21 Wizzyrea_   heya amit
03:21 Amit        hi jdavidb
03:21 Amit        good morning #koha
03:21 Amit        hi brendan, chris
03:20 Wizzyrea_   clearly you have not seen me at my salty best
03:20 jdavidb     You're nice all the time, Liz.
03:19 Wizzyrea_   I have to be nice
03:19 Wizzyrea_   lol, this channel's logged >.>
03:19 pianohacker Ever so polite
03:18 Wizzyrea_   heh yea
03:18 pianohacker mailing list?
03:18 Wizzyrea_   i'm watching excrement hitting impellers.
03:18 Wizzyrea_   oooh
03:18 pianohacker I am up late. Trying to finish an invoice
03:17 pianohacker Hallo
03:17 jdavidb     Hey there, jesse!
03:17 Wizzyrea_   jesse, you're up late
03:16 pianohacker Hi, David, Liz
03:03 jdavidb     Wizzyrea_:   Hiya!  :D
03:03 Wizzyrea_   jdavidb, hi
02:05 chris       ahh redbull, how i love you
01:41 chris       wow indeed
01:33 Wizzyrea_   ...wow
00:55 pianohacker You're probably a bit saner for it
00:55 richard     the main sort of coding i did was bunging html into chris's perl
00:54 richard     nah. i've forgotten everything from "sam's teach yourself perl in 21 days"
00:54 pianohacker Get to do much coding?
00:54 richard     the job is called 'business development manager' - so it's sort of a managerial job
00:53 pianohacker richard: I don't think I've ever asked. What do you do for Katipo?
00:52 richard     hi pianohacker
00:52 pianohacker Hi, richard
00:51 richard     hi
00:06 pianohacker brb bike ride
23:33 chris       and so it begins
23:15 chris       heh
23:15 brendan     too many chris-c's involved in koha
23:14 chris       yep true good point
23:14 chris       :)
23:14 pianohacker :)
23:14 brendan     I meant the other chris
23:14 brendan     whoops
23:14 chris       ?
23:13 brendan     betcha chris cormack would help you out too.
23:13 pianohacker (Gah, the directory naming is britrotting my brain) Heh. I was not very familiar with Koha 3.0 at that time, so you might be able to do it faster
23:12 chris       righto
23:12 pianohacker Note that item editing was not integrated (you'd have to add from biblios, then find in the catalogue, then add items from Koha)
23:11 chris       fab, ill go 6-12 then :)
23:11 pianohacker I was able to do it in 4-8 hours
23:11 brendan     I think it's still on .9
23:11 chris       :)
23:11 brendan     did it awhile ago, waiting for the next release.
23:11 chris       days work? 2 days work, 2 weeks work?
23:11 chris       cool
23:09 pianohacker (it's been a while)
23:09 pianohacker Yes, actually. It required some code hacking, but I was able to do it
23:09 chris       has anyone here integrated biblios with koha? i know it can be done in theory has anyone done it in practice?
23:06 chris       *nod*
23:06 pianohacker Now that I've finally gotten a github up, that should be fairly easy
23:05 chris       specially public branches
23:05 chris       branches are good
22:48 pianohacker k
22:48 gmcharlt    pianohacker: I suggest throwing it out there as a branch, even if there are still glitches
22:48 pianohacker It does validate records by sending them to the server for parsing
22:47 pianohacker gmcharlt: Confirmed that I have a 3.0 textual MARC record editor
22:31 brendan     hopefully you break them all in for me :)
22:31 brendan     I'll be there towards the end of this month
22:31 brendan     ok
22:31 gmcharlt    not there yet - going up next week
22:30 brendan     how's atlanta
22:30 brendan     heya gmcharlt
22:30 gmcharlt    hi brendan
22:30 pianohacker Heh
22:30 brendan     just saying hi -- not much more to add
22:30 pianohacker Hi, brendan
22:30 brendan     heya pianohacker
22:27 chris       im gonna need more coffee i can tell
22:25 pianohacker Ah, right
22:25 chris       titled Support for Koha
22:24 chris       email to the koha list
22:24 pianohacker chris: ?
22:24 chris       well its all out in the open now
21:30 gmcharlt    if bib is deleted, grab it from deletedbiblio.title
21:30 gmcharlt    wizzyrea: wouldn't say that - two step process; check to see if bib still exists, if so, grab title from biblio.title
21:20 wizzyrea    ok, i'm going to be a pest/nub: I'm looking at the deleted biblio/items tables in the structure documentation. displaying the title of a deleted item isn't an easy thing, is it?
21:04 wizzyrea    I also didn't know if the forthcoming fines fixes would address that
21:04 wizzyrea    i mean, that's technically just a display
21:03 wizzyrea    That was what I thought as well
21:03 gmcharlt    wizzyrea: of the options, I think it would be easier to handle it on the fines accounting end rather than preventing the checkout
21:02 wizzyrea    make the fines table look for the item in *both* the existing items and the deleted items table (no links if deleted, of course, and pruning of that table would obviously affect that reporting)
21:01 wizzyrea    so my thought was: create a withdrawn status that cannot be checked in (probably a big project) or
21:01 wizzyrea    (even though it doesn't unset the withdrawn status)
21:00 wizzyrea    2. changing the item to withdrawn allows the item to be checked in, and removes the fine. Wrong.
21:00 wizzyrea    the problems as the system currently is: 1. deleting the item outright accomplishes the "this item cannot be checked in" problem, but removes the fine description. Bad.
20:59 wizzyrea    scenario: library has an item that is long overdue (60 days) they want to fine the tardy patron and consider the book gone. If the item should come back, they do not want the fine lifted from the patron's account. They do not want to check the item in.
20:58 wizzyrea    Interesting. I'm thinking about fines and withdrawn items (you may have talked to mickey about this stuff).
20:57 gmcharlt    wizzyrea: in a indy branches setup, it can be done, but that's the only circumstance IIRC
20:57 wizzyrea    er
20:57 wizzyrea    Well, it's one of several ways to skin a cat
20:57 gmcharlt    wizzyrea: are you seeking to have that happen?
20:56 wizzyrea    that would trigger a message similar to "this item cannot be checked in
20:56 wizzyrea    is there ANY status for an item that will prevent it being checked in?
20:56 wizzyrea    ok, question
20:49 chris       back
19:41 zico        :)
19:41 zico        yes... actually... i just wanna let u know tht... i am going 2 use another named than "koha"
19:41 wizzyrea    this would seem to indicate otherwise.
19:41 wizzyrea    nd.. i can access this two servers.. with two different ports... say for first one... 192.168.1.254:80 & for second one... 192.168.1.254:89
19:41 wizzyrea    [1:28p] zico:
19:41 wizzyrea    & also changed the "user" and "password" as... "koha1" & "1234"
19:41 wizzyrea    [1:27p] zico:
19:41 wizzyrea    changed the database name from "koha" to "koha1" in there
19:41 wizzyrea    [1:27p] zico:
19:41 wizzyrea    i changed the koha-conf.xml for koha1 ... server
19:41 wizzyrea    [1:26p] zico:
19:41 wizzyrea    root has priviledge for koha & koha1 has all priviledge in koha1 database
19:41 wizzyrea    [1:26p] zico:
19:41 wizzyrea    & also two database koha & koha1
19:41 wizzyrea    [1:26p] zico:
19:41 wizzyrea    i created two users.. root & koha1
19:41 wizzyrea    [1:26p] zico:
19:40 wizzyrea    nd.. from /etc/koha  & named /etc/koha1
19:40 wizzyrea    [1:26p] zico:
19:40 wizzyrea    i copied two files... from /usr/share/koha  & named it /usr/share/koha1
19:40 wizzyrea    Hmm.
19:39 zico        actually.. this is my new koha.. & itz "koha3"
19:39 zico        no.. actually.. my koha1 is different
19:39 zico        :)
19:39 zico        itz koha3
19:39 wizzyrea    i'm wondering if that's where you've gone wrong
19:38 wizzyrea    b/c your config file has a lot of koha3 in it, but no koha1.
19:37 wizzyrea    ok, for one... is it koha3 or koha1 that your 2nd koha install lives in?
19:30 zico        apache2 says... "failed"!!! :(
19:30 zico        debian:/etc/apache2/sites-available# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart Restarting web server: apache2apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for debian apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for debian apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName  failed!
19:30 zico        damn!!
19:30 zico        when i go 4 reloading the apache2 server....
19:30 zico        it bring me this error:
19:22 zico        :P
19:22 zico        ok..lemme check
19:21 chris       it needs to eb SetEnv KOHA_CONF
19:21 chris       thta line is wrong
19:21 chris        SetEnv koha3_CONF "/etc/koha33/koha3-conf.xml"
19:20 zico        http://pastebin.com/m69913f29
19:20 zico        this is it
19:18 zico        ok
19:15 chris       i want to see all your virtualhosts :)
19:14 chris       we need your koha-httpd.conf file
19:14 chris       no
19:14 zico        do u need my koha-conf.xml file?
19:13 chris       got to http://pastebin.com
19:13 chris       zico
19:12 zico        i hv changed each & every "koha" with "koha3" in /etc/koha3/koha-conf.xml file
19:12 chris       no
19:12 zico        different in each & every "koha" word?
19:11 chris       it needs to be different in each one
19:08 zico         SetEnv koha_CONF "/etc/koha3/koha-conf.xml" this is there in every virtual block
19:01 pianohacker It has to be that exact name; anything else will confuse Koha
19:00 pianohacker zico: Okay. In the virtualhost blocks for each of them, there should be a line that starts with SetEnv KOHA_CONF
19:00 zico        yes... my both virtual hosts r set up in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
18:59 zico        nd.. also changed the user from "root" to "koha1"
18:59 pianohacker zico: Are both of your Koha virtual hosts set up in /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha3 ?
18:59 zico        plus.. i hv changed the name of database... from "koha" to "koha1"
18:59 zico        in /etc/koha/1/koha1-conf.xml ... i hv changed each & every "koha" with "koha1"
18:54 gmcharlt    and is different in your /etc/koha/1/koha1-conf.xml ?
18:52 zico        in /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha3
18:51 zico        SetEnv koha3_CONF "/etc/koha3/koha3-conf.xml"
18:51 zico        it is there
18:51 zico        yep
18:51 gmcharlt    check in the Apache configuration file you set up for the virtual host(s)
18:49 zico        gmcharlt: SetEnv KOHA_CONF?? i cannot get it
18:44 wizzyrea    nm, I guess you said that you did. gmcharlt probably has it
18:43 gmcharlt    zico: in the Apache config, is the SetEnv KOHA_CONF ... line different for each set of virtual hosts?
18:43 wizzyrea    you edited both koha-conf.xml for koha1 to indicate the koha1 credentials?
18:41 zico        :(
18:41 zico        but.. i changed from koha-conf.xml
18:41 wizzyrea    so, that would indicate to me that both koha installs are pointing to the same config file.
18:41 zico        zico: yes...root can log into both
18:40 zico        yes..root can log into both
18:38 wizzyrea    zico: root can log into both?
18:38 wizzyrea    wait, root can log into both?
18:28 zico        CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME?? I NEED YOUR HELP BADLY
18:28 zico        but.. the PROBLEM IS... ONLY "ROOT" CAN LOG INTO THESE TWO SERVERS... BUT... "KOHA1" CANNOT LOGIN THERE
18:28 zico        nd.. i can access this two servers.. with two different ports... say for first one... 192.168.1.254:80 & for second one... 192.168.1.254:89
18:27 zico        & also changed the "user" and "password" as... "koha1" & "1234"
18:27 zico        changed the database name from "koha" to "koha1" in there
18:26 zico        i changed the koha-conf.xml for koha1 ... server
18:26 zico        root has priviledge for koha & koha1 has all priviledge in koha1 database
18:26 zico        & also two database koha & koha1
18:26 zico        i created two users.. root & koha1
18:26 zico        nd.. from /etc/koha  & named /etc/koha1
18:25 zico        i copied two files... from /usr/share/koha  & named it /usr/share/koha1
18:25 zico        so.. what i did.. is..
18:25 zico        i hv been trying to establish two koha servers in one machine
18:25 zico        hi
18:01 wizzyrea    right
18:00 jwagner     So this would allow finer control than the settings in patron categories?  Residents for library X could have this setting, while Residents for library Y could have that?
18:00 wizzyrea    sorry >.<
18:00 wizzyrea    hm, then I guess I'm not sure what it's for exactly
18:00 wizzyrea    this really just sets the default settings when adding new patrons
18:00 jwagner     We're doing that through the messaging settings in patron categories.
17:59 wizzyrea    when you add patrons
17:59 wizzyrea    you want Mytown -> adult to always get hold notifications, you want all *new* Mytown -> adult patrons to have this setting by default
17:59 wizzyrea    example: you have a patron type of Mytown -> adult
17:59 wizzyrea    this just sets the defaults for the patron types
17:58 wizzyrea    yes, it does
17:58 jwagner     Just wanted to know what it did & if it needs to be set up.  Does the messaging setting(s) in the patron account override this?
17:58 wizzyrea    jwagner what question did you have (specifically)?
17:42 wizzyrea    the handling of setting defaults by patron type
17:41 jwagner     The item circ alerts?
17:41 wizzyrea    this may be our enhancement...
17:41 wizzyrea    1s reading
17:31 jwagner     This appears to just be controlling email notifications for various events.  Howe does it relate to patron messaging settings?
17:31 jwagner     Question for folks on Item Circulation Alerts -- http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/administration/patrons-and-circulation/item-circulation-alerts
15:28 jwagner     How about a different approach?  If a report will produce a large number of results, add an option to get the output emailed to a specified address, rather than displayed/downloaded?
15:28 wizzyrea    is = are. Sigh.
15:27 wizzyrea    (server settings)
15:27 wizzyrea    in the documentation?
15:27 wizzyrea    is there a place where "settings for optimal usefulness" is defined?
15:26 wizzyrea    because if that's not set right, then it won't work anyway
15:26 wizzyrea    well... even with an override the apache thing is still kind of problematic
15:25 jwagner     Maybe add a warning somewhere & a way to override the limit?
15:24 wizzyrea    ./facedesk
15:24 wizzyrea    and "who would ever need a report of more than 10k items?"
15:23 wizzyrea    i wonder if that's why they changed it in the first place
15:22 paul_p      wizzyrea: yep, that's technically possible, but your Apache server must have a high timeout, otherwise, you may get a "apache stopped the process blabla"
15:18 wizzyrea    if that's technically possible (damfino, hah) then yea, there should be no limit
15:18 gmcharlt    agreed
15:18 paul_p      wizzyrea: for DLing, there should be no limit
15:17 wizzyrea    hm. wonder what a good limit would be
15:17 wizzyrea    Paul_p: you are the BEST.
15:16 paul_p      so defaulted to 9999
15:16 paul_p      and for DL, there is no limit provided
15:16 wizzyrea    DOH!
15:16 paul_p      if Koha don't propose a limit, then it's truncated at 9999
15:16 paul_p          $limit  = 9999 unless $limit;
15:16 paul_p      C4/Reports/Guided.pm, line 398
15:16 paul_p      wizzyrea: bug found !
15:11 wizzyrea    the library has 42k items... suppose if I could figure out how to split it into 4 10k reports that would be a way around it
15:10 wizzyrea    ohhh kay. Well.
15:10 wizzyrea    b/c I wrote the report. :P
15:10 wizzyrea    well, I think it has more to do with (B) in my case
15:09 damfino     *sigh* fine
15:08 jwagner     But no one will know who you are now!
15:08 jwagner     Be my guest :-)
15:07 jwagner     Damfino how to solve it, but I wish someone would figure it out.  Those of us who are (a) SQL-challenged or (b) don't have system-level access can't get the data out.
15:07 wizzyrea    any ideas?
15:07 wizzyrea    work around?
15:07 wizzyrea    sigh
15:06 wizzyrea    yea, that's the one I am looking at
15:05 munin       04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3419 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Downloaded saved reports do not contain all records
15:05 jwagner     I thought I created/added a bug on that 10,000 limit, but I can't find it.  Someone else opened one that seems to be the same problem -- bug 3419
15:04 wizzyrea    hum. So... how am I going to get my shelf list :P
15:04 wizzyrea    yes, that's a problem
15:03 wizzyrea    (I thought it was me)
15:03 wizzyrea    jwagner++ for having the answer lol
15:03 wizzyrea    OHH
15:03 jwagner     wizzyrea, I reported a bug a while back -- the report download truncates at 10,000 no matter how much data is returned.  Lemme see if I can find that bug report.
15:02 paul_p      wizzyrea: maybe a field size...
15:01 wizzyrea    this report seems to die at 10k items
15:01 wizzyrea    hmm... is there some reason why I couldn't get a shelf list of more than 10000 items?
14:59 jwagner     paul_p, I'm sure of it.  I'm not doing much of the development myself (as I keep saying, I Are Not A Real Programmer), but the various developers do monitor all the lists & discussions.
14:57 paul_p      jwagner: of course, you would not have to deal with them, but you may get interesting ideas that needs no time, or even that will reduce time !
14:57 wizzyrea    yea, I'd agree with Paul, I'm sure some of the things you're working on have the same idea floating around in varying forms
14:54 jwagner     OK, I'll work on them.
14:54 paul_p      with community help, you may get some interesting ideas about how to do something.
14:54 paul_p      jwagner: just submit the feature 1st
14:53 jwagner     As far as creating the bug entries, I'm still reviewing the rest to see how well defined they are.  Durned specs keep changing....
14:52 jwagner     If we can, we will, but some of them are interrelated and we have to finish solving one piece before we can submit the rest.
14:52 paul_p      that could be usefull to know what you're working on (and maybe do some suggestion)
14:52 paul_p      can I suggest you create the bugs asap, even if the patch is still under development.
14:52 jwagner     paul_p, thanks.  We still have a bunch in development, but with luck we'll be able to send patches for some of this (current bugzilla entry) crop soon.
14:51 paul_p      jwagner: i'm very happy to see all those coming patches. Congrats & kudos (and the fines part of koha lacked a lot of features, for sure !)
14:49 jwagner     OK, we'll look at our submit process with that in mind.
14:49 gmcharlt    what I do care about is that the patch author has the Real Name (tm) of the person who made that patch (the contractor who doesn't want to be identified being the exception)
14:48 jwagner     OK, if we can subscribe the address, that might work.
14:48 gmcharlt    doing it the way you want
14:48 gmcharlt    jwagner: umm, I don't think there's a problem
14:48 jwagner     Well, shoot.  Another great idea withers in the cold light of reality....
14:47 gmcharlt    you can subscribe but set the alias address to not receive mail from the list
14:47 gmcharlt    jwagner: correct
14:47 jwagner     (rather than trying to use diff people's emails all over the place)
14:47 jwagner     gmcharlt -- I think I remember you saying that a person's email had to be subscribed to patches listserv to be able to send a patch.  Is that correct?  We were looking at using a generic alias email address for submission.
14:46 jwagner     OK.  I'm still overhauling my list (believe it or not, there are a bunch MORE not yet entered).  I'll go back & update status where needed.
14:46 nahuel      ok
14:46 gmcharlt    unless any of the patches in question you're not sure about and are specifrically asking for special community review before they are submitted
14:45 gmcharlt    and in any event, you don't necessarily need to do it until you send the patches for a particular bug to koha-patches
14:45 gmcharlt    attaching patches to tickets is desirable but (IMO) optional
14:44 gmcharlt    ASSIGNED means that the assigne is (in theory anyway) implicitly promising to do something about it
14:44 nahuel      jwagner, and you must attache the patch to the ticket :)
14:44 jwagner     Well, we have a bunch of different people doing the development and the person submitting isn't always the person developing.  I may just pick one person's name to use overall.
14:44 gmcharlt    note that NEW means that the bug is theoretically up for grabs for anybody to pick up and implement
14:44 wizzyrea    probably the status is enough
14:44 gmcharlt    yes, that too pretty-please
14:43 wizzyrea    that too
14:43 gmcharlt    jwagner: since most (all?) of these are for completed work, they should be assigned to which ever PTFS person is in charge of the bug
14:43 nahuel      wizzyrea, the status "PATCH-SENT" too
14:43 wizzyrea    that's how most ppl do it
14:43 wizzyrea    jwagner: I usually just note that a patch has been sent in a comment
14:42 jwagner     I left them all as new/unassigned -- is that how you want me to do them?  Some of them have already had patches sent.
14:41 gmcharlt    s'ok, I'm subscribed to koha-bugs anyway
14:41 nahuel      jwagner, w000w
14:41 kf          jwagner: this fast add feature rings a bell ;)
14:41 gmcharlt    :)
14:41 jwagner     gmcharlt, I _WAS_ going to apologize for making bugzilla send you all those emails, but if you're going to crack the whip, I won't!
14:40 jwagner     Hey, it takes time to pull all these together!  I'm at 32 and counting....
14:39 nahuel      you had to be faster :)
14:38 nahuel      héhé
14:38 jwagner     nahuel, you broke up my string of consecutive bugzilla numbers :-)
13:30 CGI016      thanks.
13:28 CGI016      i'll take a look at supybot, hope that's simple enough... ;)
13:27 CGI016      ok, so that's the way to go.
13:27 munin       gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Dunno #5 added.
13:27 gmcharlt    @dunno add I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
13:26 munin       gmcharlt: I suck
13:26 gmcharlt    munin, for example, is a supybot, and there are a couple modules for supybot to log to file or database
13:26 gmcharlt    most bots can do logging
13:26 gmcharlt    CGI016: it's a custom bot (newlogbot) + web interface - not actually released as OSS, IIRC
13:25 CGI016      (or for that matter: what do you yourself use to create irc logfiles?)
13:25 CGI016      can anyone tell me what software is used to create the irc logs on the koha website?