Time Nick Message 11:54 |Lupin| paul_p: right 11:51 paul_p (and we are BL (BibLibre) or BibLibrarian 11:51 |Lupin| hi paul_p and thanks 11:51 |Lupin| quite cryptic ! :) 11:51 paul_p |Lupin|: LibLimer 11:50 |Lupin| Ller ? 11:49 hdl_laptop hi. any Ller around ? 11:31 jwagner Hi Amit 11:31 Amit hi jwanger 09:49 davi thank hdl_laptop Confirmed 09:46 hdl_laptop biblioitems 09:46 davi In what Koha table is the publisher or editorial kept? It is not in biblio. 09:36 chris *nod* 09:36 |Lupin| (if the right measures are't taken, I mean) 09:36 |Lupin| ah and that would make the opac tainted, definitely 09:34 chris or an icon to show with their reviews 09:33 chris (we might one day allow users to upload their own patron images for example) 09:33 |Lupin| chris: ok 09:32 chris yep but if one crept into there it would be much worse than the intranet, so having a rule that the opac runs under taint would make it hard for us to accidentally sneak an untainted system call in 09:31 |Lupin| chris: but in theopac you don't do such things either, do you ? 09:30 chris *nod* 09:30 |Lupin| chris: I see. tainted seems to be more for inmut like files, environment variables, etc. 09:30 chris if we were to do system calls, or writing to files, or things like that, we should definitely run that script with taint 09:29 chris the dbi placeholders protect the db 09:29 chris like opening files etc 09:28 chris partly, also because we dont do anything that taint would protect us from 09:27 |Lupin| chris: why do you say it wouldn't make sesne for the intranet ? because you make the hypothesis that someone with a password is trustworthy, right ? 09:26 chris well it wouldnt make sense for the intranet, but we should probably run the opac with taint on 09:25 |Lupin| chris: is it the result of a design decision, or just that none took the time to do the modification so far ? 09:24 |Lupin| sounds great and interesting 09:24 chris nope 09:24 |Lupin| oh wow 09:24 |Lupin| chris: do koha scripts run in tainted mode as perlsec suggests ? 09:24 chris he is going to do an audit on koha for us 09:23 |Lupin| sounds wise 09:23 |Lupin| yes ? 09:23 chris one of the sysadmins at work spent a lot of time doing security work 09:21 |Lupin| very nice security lesson chris, thanks 09:21 |Lupin| I see 09:19 chris 'is everything that should be escaped here, escaped?' 09:19 chris yep, and we should check our existing ones it never hurts to check when you are editing a template 09:14 |Lupin| you mean when creating new templates ? 09:14 chris certainly do that for the search string, cos we output that without checking it 09:13 |Lupin| ah ok I see 09:13 chris so <TMPL_VAR NAME="something" ESCAPE="HTML"> 09:13 chris ESCAPE="HTML" 09:12 chris if you are using HTML::Template like Koha does 09:12 |Lupin| ah yes that was this part of what you were saying 09:12 chris like 09:12 |Lupin| so do you have a protection against this ? 09:12 chris you need to escape output 09:12 |Lupin| ok 09:11 chris yep i did 09:11 chris it will stop someone crashing your db and taking control of your server 09:11 |Lupin| you meant HTML, didn't you ? 09:11 chris that wont stop someone putting sql in your db 09:11 |Lupin| no ? 09:11 chris no 09:11 |Lupin| and this is avoided by the DBI placeholders you mentionned previously 09:10 |Lupin| ok 09:10 chris and no one would notice 09:10 chris then that would be on every single page in the opac 09:10 chris if i could get that into the db, say in the libraryname syspreference 09:09 chris yep 09:09 |Lupin| like you give someone a link to your webpage, on which there is this link, and that's it. 09:09 chris now 09:09 |Lupin| chris: right. 09:09 chris all i need to do is trick someone into going to that page 09:09 chris in this case it doesnt need to 09:08 |Lupin| chris: but the content won't go in the db, will it ? 09:08 chris i could do <script type="text/javascript" src="http://evilserver.com/someevil.js"> 09:08 |Lupin| chris: ok, I see. So actually not using js may also have advantages sometimes ! :-) 09:07 chris so that lets me embed any html i want and its output unescaped 09:07 chris doesnt work without js 09:07 chris yes, XSS = cross site scripting 09:07 chris (i have fixed this, so latest version of koha isnt susceptible) 09:06 chris http://acpl.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=<blink>test<%2Fblink> 09:06 |Lupin| hm so this kind of attacks assumes the user has JS enabled ? 09:05 chris eg 09:05 chris yeah very easy to do 09:05 |Lupin| chris: for cookies, for example, you have to put some code in the server tha will be sent to the user and then send its cookies to you ? 09:05 chris and then its output onto a page somewhere 09:05 chris in your db 09:05 chris if i can get you to store <script>someting something</script> 09:04 chris easily 09:04 |Lupin| difficult for me to see how that can be achieved, concretely 09:03 chris to steal users cookies etc 09:03 chris usually, people use injection attacks to create XSS 09:03 |Lupin| ok 09:03 chris injection attacks the site 09:03 chris 2 different types of attack, XSS attacks the person using the site 09:03 |Lupin| ACK 09:02 chris and never trusting input will protect you 09:02 |Lupin| k 09:02 chris that will protect your users 09:02 |Lupin| chris: yep, I understand 09:02 |Lupin| chris: rright 09:02 chris (that includes input from a db) 09:01 chris untouched 09:01 chris take user input, and then output it 09:01 chris never never never never ever 09:01 chris quite different 09:01 |Lupin| certainly worth reading !! 09:01 |Lupin| chris: ah, right, the perlsec manpage 09:01 chris for XSS you need to escape output 09:00 |Lupin| like XSS, injection... 09:00 |Lupin| are the known types of attacks listed somewhere ? 09:00 chris http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsec.html 09:00 |Lupin| chris: protection from injection attacks: god thing. 09:00 |Lupin| chris: yep 08:58 chris using placeholders will protect you from sql injection attacks 08:58 chris dont trust any input from users :) 08:57 |Lupin| any pointer about writing secure code in Perl, etc. ? 08:57 |Lupin| chris: sure, thanks 08:54 chris DBI placeholders ... if you want to read more :) 08:51 |Lupin| (in Google, for instance) 08:51 |Lupin| didn't even know where to look / what to ask for 08:51 |Lupin| I don't think I would have found it out by myself 08:51 |Lupin| thanks very much chris 08:51 |Lupin| great 08:50 chris yep 08:49 |Lupin| chris: and that works for select querys the same way I guess ? 08:49 |Lupin| chris: okay, got it, thanks a lot ! 08:48 chris DBI takes the ? and puts the escaped $user_input in its place 08:47 chris $sth->execute($user_input); 08:47 chris my $sth = $dbh->prepare($sql)l; (typo before) 08:47 chris my $sth = $dbh->prepare($sql)l 08:47 chris my $sql = "INSERT into table (some_column) VALUES (?) "; 08:46 chris my $user_input = "Some string"; 08:46 chris eg 08:46 |Lupin| chris: ok, excuse me. I'll try to nderstand what you have just said. 08:46 chris and then DBI will escape it for you 08:45 chris and put the string in the execute call 08:45 chris yes, and the answer is to use placeholders in your query 08:45 |Lupin| chris: I'm looking for a function to use on a user-submitted string, before it is used for a search in an sql query 08:44 |Lupin| chris: hmm, not sure I understand... 08:44 |Lupin| kf: ja, viel mal danke ! 08:43 chris DBI will escape the input 08:42 kf Lupin: gut, ich hoffe dir auch 08:42 chris $sth->execute($variable1,$variable2); 08:42 chris my $sth = $dbh->prepare($query); 08:42 chris my $query = "INSERT INTO issues (borrowernumber,something) VALUES (?,?)"; 08:41 chris use place holders 08:41 chris yep 08:41 |Lupin| so biasically removing the special characters... 08:41 |Lupin| I'd like o know whether Perl has somewhere a function that would cleanup user input so that it can be inserted safely in SQL requests 08:40 |Lupin| is there any Perl programmer around please ? 08:40 |Lupin| hi Amit :) 08:40 |Lupin| hallo kf wie geht es heute ? 08:39 Amit hi lupin 08:37 kf guten morgen lupin! 08:36 |Lupin| hello everybody ! 08:32 Amit ok 08:32 chris mason used to work for a library near there amit 08:26 Amit http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recreation/national-parks/egmont/ 08:23 Amit chris; nice, beautiful 08:23 Amit yes this will open 08:23 chris (they both work for me) 08:23 chris try http://www.makenewzealandhome.com/makenewzealand/mnzhuserfiles/image/Mt%20Taranaki.jpg 08:21 Amit chris: Error The page cannot be found 08:20 chris http://www.makenewzealandhome.com/makenewzealand/mnzhuserfiles/image/Mt Taranaki.jpg 08:19 Amit i have seen this on email 08:18 chris that must be old information :) 08:17 chris its actually called Mt. Taranaki 08:17 Amit 08:17 Amit Mt. Egmont volcano last erupted in 1755 and is now situated at the centre of Egmont national park. park regulations have ensured the survival of a forest which extends at a 9.5 km radius from the summit of the volcano, the result of which can be seen from space in the form of huge dark green disc. this photo was taken during the sts-110 mission, april 2002. 08:16 chris near new plymouth, around mount taranaki .. west coast of the north island 08:14 nahuel :) 08:13 nahuel ! 08:13 nahuel hi chris 08:12 Amit chris: where is Egmont National Park in NZ 08:11 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0°C (12:20 PM IST on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). 08:11 indradg @wunder Kolkata 07:59 chris yep :) 07:59 paul_p I was not sure. anyway, he did not introduce himself on koha-dev, so my mail is still relevant ;-) 07:58 munin Amit: Error: No such location could be found. 07:58 Amit @wunder Bangalore, ind 07:58 chris i think gary might have been at kohacon 07:55 paul_p (couldn't miss this occasion to laugh a little...) 07:54 chris yes, rainy 07:54 chris -i 07:54 paul_p humidity 87% and 10°C. it's winter... 07:54 kf saw chris doing it 07:54 kf :) 07:54 munin kf: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 07:54 kf @wunder wellington, nz 07:54 paul_p NZ is too small... unknow for munin :( 07:53 munin paul_p: Error: No such location could be found. 07:53 paul_p @wunder wellington, new-zealand 07:53 munin paul_p: Error: No such location could be found. 07:53 paul_p @wunder wellington 07:52 chris evening 07:40 nahuel you arrive sweaty 07:40 nahuel to humid 07:40 paul_p (it's 10AM here) 07:40 nahuel kf, it's hard here to come to work, too heat 07:40 paul_p yep, humidity 78%... 07:39 munin paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 24.0°C (9:30 AM CEST on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 07:39 paul_p @wunder Marseille, France 07:39 paul_p wow... 35°... and we complaint with our poor 32° here in marseille... (humidity probably higher than 53% in the evening those days I think) 07:37 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 35.0°C (12:30 PM IST on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling). 07:37 Amit @wunder New Delhi 07:36 munin Amit: Error: No such location could be found. 07:36 Amit @wunder Bangalore 07:36 kf for working on my koha project rain isnt so bad, just coming to work is sometimes a little difficult on these days 07:35 indradg hi greenmang0 07:35 greenmang0 hi indradg 07:35 nahuel I think none of both 07:33 kf cant decide whats better g 07:33 nahuel here... sun sun sun and sun and heat, heat heat heat heat 07:32 kf nahuel: rain, rain and rain 07:32 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.1°C (9:32 AM CEST on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). 07:32 kf @wunder Konstanz 07:29 nahuel hi Amit 07:29 Amit hi nahuel 07:27 nahuel hi kf, what's up in germany ? 07:26 kf hi nahuel 07:25 nahuel hi all 07:05 Amit hi kf 07:03 kf good morning #koha :) 06:54 Amit hi paul_p 06:53 paul_p hello world 05:40 indradg morning Amit 05:39 Amit hi indradg 04:37 thd hello Amit 04:37 Amit hi thd 04:05 Amit good night ebegin 04:05 ebegin bedtime... see you tomorow! 04:02 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 18.0°C (11:50 PM EDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: N/A%. Pressure: (Rising). 04:02 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec 04:02 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 27.0°C (8:30 AM IST on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa. 04:02 Amit @wunder Dehradun 04:02 ebegin #wunder montreal, quebec 04:02 Amit ebegin:I m fine what about u? Sory today i m late 04:02 munin ebegin: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 32.0°C (9:00 AM IST on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 04:02 ebegin @wunder new delhi 04:02 munin Amit: downloading the Perl source 04:02 Amit munin: @wunder New Delhi 04:02 ebegin heya amit! How are you? 04:01 Amit hi ebegin 03:58 Amit good morning #koha 03:58 Amit hi chris, galen 01:42 pianohacker 'gnight, #koha 01:12 pianohacker /Koha's Oddly Enough/: The TemplateEncoding systempreference is used to define the _input_ encoding for an obsolete MARC Record processing function, and nowhere else 21:44 Snow_Fox Storage Works? 21:40 joetho me neither. Sounds ominous 21:22 chris not me 21:22 Snow_Fox Data Protector Express 21:21 Snow_Fox anyone in here play with HP's Data Protection Express backup system? 21:15 atz the manual has concrete dimensions i think... 21:05 Snow_Fox thats what i figured 21:05 pianohacker I'd go with chris's answer, then 21:05 Snow_Fox the Patron Images 21:05 pianohacker Snow_Fox: Depends. What kind of image are you talking about? 21:05 chris the latter 21:05 Snow_Fox or is it more webbased where i have to keep a certain size or itll mess with the layout 21:04 Snow_Fox what would be the max size that koha can support 21:04 Snow_Fox hey when it comes to images 21:02 chris right at work now 20:48 wizzyrea gnite Paul 20:42 richard cya paul_p 20:36 richard hi 20:34 wizzyrea but I know there would be resistance >.< 20:33 pianohacker Hey, I'm with you 20:33 pianohacker Yes. I think it might be good to see how far ARIA and some basic accessibility improvements (including the much-discussed Skip to content link) will take us before we commit to maintaining a separate template set, but it's something to think about 20:32 wizzyrea (just being the devil's advocate here... I'd just as soon go full throttle AJAX and be done with it) 20:31 wizzyrea sarcasm aside, the web interface isn't really the best interface for ppl with disabilities. And we could do more with the web interface if we'd alternately accommodate for disability. 20:29 pianohacker see ya 20:28 atz lol 20:28 pianohacker Wouldn't be much of an obstacle for a cataloger, though 20:28 atz yeah 20:28 pianohacker atz: Hell, that's difficult enough for a computer 20:28 wizzyrea yay 20:28 atz all you have to do is learn 46 numerically coded messages and all their subfields 20:28 wizzyrea atz, that's not a bad idea 20:28 wizzyrea actually... 20:27 wizzyrea all koha problems solved 20:27 wizzyrea well there you go 20:27 atz pianohacker: we already have it... it's called SIP 20:27 pianohacker See? We just need to bring back the telnet interface 20:27 owen I think that was the telnet interface in 1.0 ;) 20:27 atz let alone the ornate process of H:T:P generation and authentication... autopopulation 20:27 wizzyrea kind of minimalist 20:26 wizzyrea I think you could probably sell it as the "super fast koha interface" 20:26 pianohacker Maybe. tbh, I think some library might have to get some legal rumblings before that gets sponsored though 20:26 atz ppl who just see the web side don't really get how much mechanics there are underneath... how many template files have to get included, javascript files, css files 20:26 wizzyrea 1. for speed and 2. for accommodating people with disabilities 20:25 wizzyrea but it might be better to have a separate template for that? 20:25 wizzyrea I can appreciate that people with disabilities will need to be able to use it 20:25 pianohacker My dinky little palm smartphone supports some javascript 20:25 owen Yeah, atz++ 20:25 pianohacker This is 200_9_, for god's sake 20:25 atz one i totally refuted, for the record 20:24 pianohacker I don't think the additem.pl page works without javascript 20:24 owen There's already been a complaint about the staff client being "littered" with Ajax calls. 20:24 wizzyrea anyway 20:24 wizzyrea "angry..." we'd get a talking at 20:24 wizzyrea re: ajax happiness 20:24 wizzyrea :P 20:24 wizzyrea we'd make slef angry though 20:24 joetho Never had this with sirsi dynix. 20:23 pianohacker I actually implemented something like that for Circulation and fines rules, but it's been stuck, along with ajaxcirc, in review purgatory for a while 20:23 owen Yeah, there's all kinds of Ajaxy stuff that'd be cool to do. 20:23 wizzyrea yessir 20:23 pianohacker Click-to-edit? 20:23 wizzyrea but harder I'm sure 20:23 joetho but adding a button here or there to reduce scrolloing 20:23 wizzyrea it would be even MORE awesome if you could just edit the item there 20:22 joetho I mean, not you PERSONALLY, 20:22 joetho This is something we are considering sponsoring 20:22 owen One thing I didn't mention in the blog post was how to handle making the menu go away completely. Right now my script doesn't handle it 20:21 owen Although what the hell, once you're clicking it probably doesn't much matter if you take up a little more space 20:20 wizzyrea true 20:20 pianohacker wizzyrea: That is clearer, but you're working with pretty limited space 20:20 wizzyrea what you are doing 20:20 wizzyrea so it's always right there 20:20 wizzyrea " 20:20 wizzyrea or "Edit Item / Delete Item 20:19 pianohacker Oh-hoh, that's very nice. Perhaps change the links to "_Edit_ / _Delete_ item"? 20:18 wizzyrea i see what you mean about the confusion though 20:18 wizzyrea I approve 20:18 wizzyrea yea that is sweeeeet 20:17 owen I talk about it here: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=298 20:17 owen Click any cell in the table of items to get a little edit/delete menu, useful when you've scrolled all the way to the right 20:17 owen Here's the example if anyone else is interested: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/examples/additem-2009-07-15.html 20:16 owen Thanks! 20:15 wizzyrea that is h a w t 20:15 wizzyrea love what you did with the items table 20:15 wizzyrea owen++ 20:09 pianohacker Talking in soundbites isn't as hard as you might think 20:08 wizzyrea hey, being witty is hard work 20:07 owen I didn't realize I had to be pithy enough for posterity. 20:06 munin pianohacker: Quote #8: "< wizzyrea> in my experience the transition to koha is much harder for libraries that are already automated" (added by pianohacker at 05:57 PM, June 19, 2009) 20:06 pianohacker @quote random 20:06 pianohacker owen: Adds a quote (a la bash.org) to munin's quote database 20:05 owen What's @quote do? 20:01 wizzyrea identification fail! 20:01 wizzyrea noooooo 20:01 munin wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 20:01 wizzyrea @quote add <dipanjan>something seems to have happened. i will get back when i figure out what :) 20:00 dipanjan pianohacker: :) 20:00 pianohacker dipanjan: Famous last words, but good luck 19:59 paul_p it's probably strange for an english speaking guy, I agree 19:59 dipanjan pianohacker: something seems to have happened. i will get back when i figure out what :) 19:59 pianohacker I guess for some reason I thought you were on GMT time 19:58 pianohacker timezones-- 19:58 paul_p hello owen 19:58 paul_p (you're mixing with chris ;-) ) 19:58 owen paul_p: Dubbed? 19:58 paul_p pianohacker: ??? it's not 8, it's 10PM ! 19:57 pianohacker Too early 19:57 pianohacker It's only 8:00 in your part of the world, what are you doing here? 19:57 paul_p hello america in fact ;-) 19:57 paul_p hi ebegin 19:57 paul_p hi pianohacker/jesse 19:57 pianohacker Heya, paul 19:57 pianohacker Heh. Installing Koha is my least favorite part of using it by far, and it's _improved_ since 2.2 19:57 wizzyrea heya paul_p 19:57 ebegin hi paul! 19:57 paul_p hello world. 19:56 dipanjan :) 19:56 wizzyrea all of the above :) 19:56 pianohacker From who? dipanjan, or me? 19:56 wizzyrea :) 19:56 dipanjan pianohacker: i will try. and come back 19:55 pianohacker dipanjan: <shrug> I think this step still wants your original zipped tarball 19:55 dipanjan pianohacker: the install-CPAN.pl was inside the packege 19:55 wizzyrea er, why not the unzipped tarball 19:55 dipanjan pianohacker: but the tarball is untarred 19:55 wizzyrea (this part flummoxed me several times as well, I finally gave up on it) 19:55 wizzyrea interesting, why the unzipped tarball? 19:55 pianohacker perl ./install-CPAN.pl ../koha-3.0.3.tar.gz 19:54 pianohacker You would run 19:54 pianohacker So, if your tarball is at ../koha-3.0.3.tar.gz 19:54 pianohacker I think what it's asking for is for you to give the path to your koha tarball 19:53 dipanjan i am using Fedora 10 19:53 dipanjan perl ./install-CPAN.pl path/to/koha.tgz 19:53 dipanjan Run this as the CPAN-owning user (usually root) with: 19:53 dipanjan pianohacker: it displayed a message: 19:52 pianohacker What error occurred? 19:52 dipanjan pianohacker: didn't work 19:52 dipanjan pianohacker: and ./install-CPAn.pl 19:52 dipanjan pianohacker: keyed in my password 19:52 dipanjan pianohacker: i did su root 19:51 wizzyrea (dipanjan: I've had the same problem. never fixed it. installed by hand) 19:51 pianohacker What happened? 19:51 pianohacker dipanjan: So you ran the above command with su or sudo at the front? 19:51 dipanjan pianohacker: i tried root. it didn't run 19:51 wizzyrea or sudo 19:51 wizzyrea so, root 19:51 pianohacker That will almost certainly be root 19:51 pianohacker What that means, is "run this command as a user that has the rights to install CPAN modules" 19:51 pianohacker Ahh, okay 19:51 dipanjan perl ./install-CPAN.pl path/to/koha.tgz 19:51 dipanjan pianohacker: when i run the install-CPAN.pl file that came bundled in the koha 3.0.3 tar ball, it says: Run this as the CPAN-owning user (usually root) with: 19:50 owen dipanjan: Is your question about who is Release Manager for 3.0.3? 19:49 pianohacker dipanjan: I don't think Koha is distributed as a CPAN module. There's a CPAN bundle, with all of Koha's dependencies, but I don't know if that's being actively maintained 19:48 dipanjan who is the CPAN owning user for koha 3.0.3? 16:52 pianohacker Hallo 16:47 jdavidb Howdy, pianohacker! :) 16:44 pianohacker Hi, snow 16:44 Snow_Fox heya Piano 16:42 Snow_Fox RHCL: Look out another storm band is headingyour way, love Kansas 16:42 munin ebegin: The current temperature in NDG, Montréal, Quebec is 23.5°C (12:41 PM EDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1002.9 hPa (Steady). 16:42 ebegin @wunder H1X3M1 16:42 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 16:42 ebegin @wunder H0H0H0 16:42 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 16:42 ebegin @wunder H0H 0H0 16:42 moodaepo : ) 16:42 moodaepo aargh enough playing around 16:41 munin moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found. 16:41 moodaepo @wunder North Pole 16:41 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Tombur Subdivision, North Pole, Alaska is 9.2°C (8:41 AM AKDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising). Dense fog advisory in effect until 8 am akdt this morning... 16:41 moodaepo @wunder 99705 16:40 ebegin ;) 16:40 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 16:40 ebegin @wunder where Kate, Jack, Lock, Saywer are... 16:39 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 16:39 ebegin @wunder neverland 16:38 jdavidb I'll be switched. 16:38 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Gerlach NV US, Gerlach, Nevada is 26.1°C (9:13 AM PDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Rising). 16:38 jdavidb @wunder Black Rock City 16:38 munin moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found. 16:38 moodaepo @wunder Hell's Kitchen 16:37 moodaepo hmm I thought it was supposed to be Hell's Kitchen 16:37 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Hunter College, Upper East Side, New York, New York is 28.0°C (12:36 PM EDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.19 in 988.4 hPa (Falling). 16:37 moodaepo @wunder 10036 16:36 joetho ha ha ha ha 16:36 munin joetho: Error: No such location could be found. 16:36 joetho @ wunder place where everyone loves me 16:35 munin joetho: Error: No such location could be found. 16:35 joetho @wunder my kitchen 16:32 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Heritage Parks, 3.7 Mi NE, Abilene, Texas is 35.6°C (11:31 AM CDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Falling). 16:32 jdavidb @wunder Abilene, TX 16:32 munin joetho: The current temperature in Casa Bravo, Chanute, Kansas is 30.4°C (11:32 AM CDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising). 16:32 joetho @wunder iola kansas 16:31 munin joetho: The current temperature in N 18th and State (near), Kansas City, Kansas is 27.4°C (11:30 AM CDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Rising). 16:31 joetho @wunder kansas city kansas 15:26 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in WRC-Tenlytown, Washington, District of Columbia is 30.0°C (11:26 AM EDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Steady). 15:26 jdavidb @wunder bethesda md 15:25 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 28.0°C (5:00 PM CEST on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 15:25 kf @wunder Konstanz 15:25 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 18.0°C (11:00 AM EDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Falling). 15:25 ebegin @wunder montreal quebec 15:25 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Eckington Pl, NE, Washington, District of Columbia is 29.7°C (11:24 AM EDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady). 15:25 ebegin @wunder washington DC 15:24 gmcharlt talk to you all later 15:24 gmcharlt about to hit the road 15:15 jdavidb Oh, absolutely! Lots more on Debian than anything else. Most on Etch, but there's a really good Lenny install guide out now. 15:14 jdavidb ebegin: for the installs I've been involved with, I'm the idiot to protect against, so an idiot-proof install is important to me. 15:14 ebegin :) 15:14 ebegin If it's possible, switch to debian. A lot of people run Koha on debian, this make the install and support easier. 15:12 ebegin And I'm also doubt about the level of maintenance of Koha no-zebra... maybe I'm wrong about that though... 15:12 cato Cool. Thanks for letting me know 15:12 jdavidb And on Debian, anyway, it's just about an idiot-proof install. No need to compile from source or any of that rot. 15:10 cato Thanks for the help 15:10 cato So does reading :) 15:10 jdavidb heh. Spelling counts. :) 15:09 cato Oh that makes sense - I was looking at Zerbra - the GNU routing software.. 15:07 jdavidb (For very small collections, works fine...but there is a very harsh scalability limit.) 15:07 jdavidb You don't strictly *have* to use Zebra, but if you're loading many records at all, it's a very good thing. Zebra is a really good indexing engine. If you try to let MySQL do that by loading without Zebra, performance suffers greatly. 15:05 cato What does Koha use Zebra for? And is it needed? 15:05 jdavidb Sure thing! Sorry I'm not more help. :P 15:04 cato Okay - thanks for letting me know! 15:03 jdavidb cato: I've not done any CentOS work..I rather doubt others have done much, since there's not an install guide already in the kit. Might be a good way to start one! :) 15:01 cato Hello All; I'm trying to get Koha 3.x to run on CentOS - I was wondering if anyone knows of a guide to do this 14:07 vedran bye 14:07 vedran :) 14:07 vedran ebegin: indeed, very helpfu 14:07 ebegin bbye 14:07 vedran cya 14:07 ebegin I'm glad that I was helpful! 14:07 vedran ebegin: I have to go now. we shall be in touch 14:06 vedran ebegin: I am colleague of marijana., she is grateful for your help. I helped her to install KOHA. I installed it on 2 more machines in our school 13:52 marijana brb 13:50 marijana :)) 13:49 gmcharlt marijana: indeed, congrats and welcome 13:49 marijana brb 13:48 marijana ebegin: thanks :)) 13:48 ebegin Congratulation marijana and welcome to the Koha community! 13:47 marijana it is installed now 13:40 ebegin looks like this, yes. 13:39 marijana ebegin: again problem with space? 13:39 marijana ebegin: http://pastebin.ca/1497022 13:33 marijana ebegin: OK, I will remove something now, wait a second 13:32 ebegin marijana, it seems that you hard drive partition is full... 13:31 ebegin yep 13:30 marijana shoul I alwys login as kohaadmin during web install?\ 13:30 marijana mysql 13:30 ebegin which database are you using? 13:29 marijana ebegin: http://pastebin.ca/1497011I got this message during web install 13:25 marijana ebegin: Belgrade, serbia 13:24 ebegin marijana, where are you? 13:24 marijana ebegin: it is 3.24PM here 13:24 mahesh add item giving a blank page with out any data entry fields 13:23 mahesh i have small problem with koha 13:22 mahesh hello 13:17 marijana web installer started, I will complete web istallation now , you deserve a big cold beer :)) 13:16 marijana should I try again web installer 13:15 ebegin No, just CGI::Session. 13:15 marijana should I install again CGI:Session::Serialize::yaml ? 13:14 ebegin Actually, here is the message I just found that may help you http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Problem-installing-Koha-3-beta-2-p17307900.html 13:13 ebegin marijana, I just read that you need to reinstall CGI::Session. 13:09 marijana http://pastebin.ca/1496996 13:07 ebegin yes 13:07 marijana ebegin: I will check again. I sthat regarding force install of CGI::Session...? 13:05 ebegin looks like you didn't paste the whole log in your last pastebin 13:03 marijana ebegin: error log files are still empty 13:03 marijana this is after force installing CGI... http://pastebin.ca/1496991 13:02 ebegin Are you sure this is the right log? You can check the log file in your /etc/koha-conf.xml file 13:01 ebegin anything in your /var/log/koha/koha-error_log file? 13:00 marijana production mode - trapped fatal error 13:00 marijana should I do again ZOOM or something else before doing web install 12:58 marijana ok I will do force install 12:58 ebegin Ok. There was problem with some test so it wasn't install, but again, it should be ok to force the install 12:56 marijana http://pastebin.ca/1496986 12:53 ebegin any error during the CGI::Session... install? 12:52 marijana again 12:52 marijana production mode - trapped fatal error 12:50 ebegin ok :) 12:50 marijana ebegin: finishing CGI:... installation 12:50 ebegin marijana, is it working? 12:48 ebegin yes 12:48 marijana ebegin: should I try again to start web installer? 12:48 ebegin nope 12:48 marijana shoudl I install again Zoom...? 12:45 marijana ebegin I will do that now 12:44 ebegin Here is a thread that may help you 12:43 ebegin can you try to install CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml 12:41 marijana ebegin: file is empty 0 bytes 12:40 ebegin koha-error_log probably 12:40 ebegin /var/log/koha on the standard install 12:39 marijana ebegin: where I can find it? 12:39 ebegin Do you have something in koha's log file? 12:37 marijana that is what I got after 10.0.2.15:8080 12:36 marijana production mode - trapped fatal error 12:36 ebegin nope 12:36 marijana do I have to do again make install etc.? 12:36 ebegin looks ok. Can you access 10.0.2.15:8080 now? 12:35 marijana please check this now: http://pastebin.ca/1496973 12:28 marijana ok I will do force install now 12:27 gmcharlt they have to do with connecting to remote servers during the test suite 12:26 gmcharlt marijana: based on those messages, I think a force install should be safe 12:25 marijana http://pastebin.ca/1496969 12:25 marijana I will putr it on pastebin 12:24 ebegin marijana, ok, something went wrong during the install. Do you have the full install log? 12:23 marijana should I do force install? 12:23 marijana http://pastebin.ca/1496967 12:22 ebegin did you got any error when you installed ZOOM? 12:20 marijana http://pastebin.ca/1496966 12:18 marijana I am repeating now in cpan to install ZOOM, waiting for final output 12:18 ebegin marijana, ok. that is a great start. 12:17 marijana when I type: 10.0.2.15:8080 I got message that it cannot find ZOOM.pm 12:17 ebegin Oh, that is something else. There was a thread on that lately. If you google on "Koha ZOOM", you should find something helpful. 12:17 marijana ebegin: I found out that my Ip is 10.0.2.15 12:16 marijana when I type my address now it says that it cannot find ZOOM.pm 12:16 marijana Amit: hi 12:15 ebegin alright. Is 192.168.0.2 is your local machine? 12:15 Amit hi marijana 12:14 ebegin So it works... :) kidding 12:14 marijana I got: It works! 12:12 ebegin what do you get when you type 127.0.0.1:8080? 12:12 ebegin Did you use the Standard install mode? 12:10 marijana ebegin: when I type 192.168.0.2:8080 I got only bkank page. when I type 127.0.0.1 I got: It works! 12:09 ebegin descript = describe 12:09 ebegin marijana, can you descript what you get when you connect to your address? 12:08 marijana hello, I installe Koha accoridng instructions on opensuse 11.0. I caqnnot start web installer. hmm. where may be an issue? 12:08 ebegin see you later chris... 12:07 Amit good night chris 12:07 chris ok i should get some sleep 12:03 Amit bye lupin 12:03 chris by |Lupin| 12:03 ebegin bye |Lupin| 12:03 |Lupin| bye everybody 12:03 |Lupin| have to run