Time Nick Message 11:54 kf live video feed would be great, I really learned to love twitter during texas kohacon 11:52 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 11:52 ebegin @wunder goteborg, sweden 11:52 chris gmcharlt: i think we can manage live video feed 11:52 chris http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6669972.html?rssid=191 11:51 chris sweden 11:51 chris oh no 11:51 chris switzerland instead 11:51 chris yep 11:51 ebegin you are right chris... http://www.ifla.org/en/news/ifla-regretfully-cancels-the-2010-ifla-world-library-and-information-congress-in-brisbane-austr 11:50 jdavidb We *might* have EBPL fully live by then... 11:50 jdavidb Sure! :) 11:50 jwagner jdavidb, I'm SURE they can do without both of us for a month, no??? 11:50 chris i will try to find a link to confirm 11:50 chris ebegin: yes, thats what i am hearing from some australian librians 11:50 jwagner Hmmmmm........ 11:50 chris jwagner and jdavidb its looking like october 2010 11:49 ebegin chris... you are serious?? 11:49 chris or at least, its not going to australia anymore 11:49 jwagner I used to be a regular con staff member for Worldcons, but "retired" from it several years ago. I had always wanted to go to one of the Aussiecons, though, so I'm tempted. 11:49 chris ebegin: IFLA has been cancelled 11:48 jwagner Nope, World Science Fiction Convention, Sept 2-6 http://www.aussiecon4.org.au/ 11:47 ebegin jwagner, you thing in Melbourne is the IFLA? 11:46 gmcharlt I'll have to ping schuster and find out if any of the video he took at KohaCon came out 11:46 jdavidb That would be very cool, gmcharlt. 11:46 jwagner Now if we could time Kohacon in NZ to match up with my thing in Melbourne, I could make a nice month-long trip :-) 11:45 gmcharlt though if it's in NZ, I'd like to see if we can manage a live video feed and lots of backchannel 11:45 jdavidb Howdy, ebegin. :) 11:45 ebegin morning #koha 11:45 gmcharlt :) 11:43 jwagner I'd love to get to NZ one of these days. There's a chance I may be going to Australia in 2010 for a conference in Melbourne, but I'm really dubious about spending that long on a plane. Maybe when I retire & can take a cruise ship across the Pacific :-) 11:40 chris cost=coast :) 11:40 chris i live at the bottom of the north island 11:40 chris it was off the cost of the bottom of the south island 11:39 jwagner Hi Amit 11:38 jwagner Good. One day I'm going to learn my way around NZ geography.... 11:38 chris nope, nowhere near where anyone lives luckily 11:38 Amit hi paul_p, jwagner 11:37 jwagner Morning, chris. Hope that earthquake/tsunami wasn't anywhere near you! 11:34 chris morning jwagner 11:31 gmcharlt hihi paul_p 11:30 chris heya paul_p 11:28 paul_p (back from lunch) 11:28 paul_p hello Amit, chris & gmcharlt 11:03 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 32.0°C (2:30 PM IST on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.41 in 996 hPa. 11:03 Amit @wunder Dehradun 11:02 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 36.0°C (4:00 PM IST on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). 11:02 Amit @wunder New Delhi 11:02 munin Amit: Error: No such location could be found. 11:02 Amit @wunder Delhi 10:36 chris yep all very tired 10:35 Amit chris: mummy papa & baby 10:34 Amit chris: this is your snap http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=69840 10:34 Amit nice baby 10:34 chris yep amit 10:34 gmcharlt chris: nice 10:33 Amit i think 10:33 Amit this is your second http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=69849 10:33 chris thats our first son 10:32 Amit chris: this is your baby snap http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=11620 10:29 chris one of the highlights of our drive 10:29 chris http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1527 10:26 |Lupin| till soon all, lunch time 10:25 chris but driving in the cities on the right freaked me out 10:25 chris i was ok between cities 10:25 gmcharlt we ended up flying, of course 10:25 chris fair enough 10:25 gmcharlt as she didn't want to drive the 4,000 mlles all by herself :) 10:25 chris :) 10:24 gmcharlt and Marlene put her foot down and told me to get my license 10:24 chris good grief 10:23 gmcharlt when we moved to Alaska, at one point we were contemplating driving from Chicago to Anchorage 10:23 gmcharlt I got my license relatively late in life 10:21 chris that's good, i wasnt much help when laurel and I drove from seattle to san diego 10:20 gmcharlt yes 10:20 chris ahh fair enough :) do you both drive? 10:20 Amit hi galen 10:20 gmcharlt Marlene wants to sleep in 10:20 gmcharlt in a couple hours 10:20 chris just about to hit the road gmcharlt ? 10:07 chris no problem 10:07 |Lupin| chris: anyway... many many thanks for your patience in helping 10:06 |Lupin| ok 10:06 chris Accesión :) 10:06 |Lupin| chris well from you NZ point of view french spanish and latin may be just one thing, seen from so far away 10:06 chris http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accession 10:06 chris spanish i think actually 10:05 |Lupin| probably not from french then 10:05 |Lupin| ahah 10:05 chris it means to increase, to add something 10:05 |Lupin| there is the word 'accession" but which is more from the legal field I'd say 10:05 chris or latin :) 10:05 chris or maybe spanish 10:05 |Lupin| not sure from which word... 10:04 |Lupin| yes ? 10:04 chris comes from french, (as lots of english does) 10:03 |Lupin| thanks much 10:03 |Lupin| oh I didn't know 10:03 chris an item is accessioned when it is added to the catalogue 10:03 |Lupin| ah 10:03 chris its a library term 10:03 |Lupin| chris: I was trying to figure out what accessionedate meant... 10:02 |Lupin| chris: right. So these two could have the same name ? 10:02 chris you might have just got a new item tho 10:02 chris the biblio might have been created last year 10:02 nahuel what's up ? 10:02 nahuel hi |Lupin| and chris :) 10:02 chris one is at the item level 10:02 |Lupin| hi nahuel 10:01 |Lupin| what's the semantics of the accessionedate field, compared to the creatondate field in the biblio table ? 10:01 nahuel hi all :) 10:01 |Lupin| btw just one last question pls 10:01 chris its too dangerous to allow sql that changes the database to be pasted in 10:01 |Lupin| I see 10:00 chris or write a script to do it for you 10:00 chris in that case, you will probably need to install phpmyadmin 10:00 chris it saves it 10:00 chris when you make a report using guided reports 10:00 |Lupin| I don't want my librarian to have to enter dates by herself 10:00 chris its saved 10:00 |Lupin| but how do ou then remember the date of your last query ? 09:59 |Lupin| chris: yes 09:59 chris the second date is today 09:59 chris select * from items where dateaccessioned > '2009-06-30' and dateacessioned <= '2009-07-16' 09:58 |Lupin| chris: I don't understand what you mean, sorry 09:58 chris i would just put it in the report 09:58 |Lupin| so that each request gives you the titles that have been added since the last time you have done the same action 09:58 chris that will be in the sql 09:57 |Lupin| the change is to store the date of the last request 09:57 |Lupin| here recently means since the last list was generated 09:57 chris yep, a list of titles wont need changing anything 09:57 |Lupin| so that she can generate a list of titles that have been added to the catalog recently 09:57 |Lupin| I have to provide a feature to my librarian 09:56 |Lupin| chris: the problem is 09:56 chris or you could use phpmyadmin or something similair 09:56 chris in case you make a mistake :) 09:56 chris after doing a mysqldump 09:56 chris its best to do it at the commandline 09:55 chris if you want to manipulate the database 09:55 chris nope 09:55 chris return (undef, { sqlerr => $1} ); 09:55 chris if ($sql =~ /;?\W?(UPDATE|DELETE|DROP|INSERT|SHOW|CREATE)\W/i) { 09:55 |Lupin| hmm so there could be a system preference to disable this checking ? 09:54 |Lupin| ah 09:54 chris by only running ones that begin with select 09:54 |Lupin| is there a way to switch it to read only mode or something like that ? 09:54 |Lupin| chris: but how do you warranty / check that the request won't modify the database ? 09:53 |Lupin| chris: sure I understand 09:53 chris because we try to protect users from themselves 09:53 |Lupin| if the query is passed as is to mysql, why not ? 09:53 chris blam no database 09:53 chris someone might go delete from biblio; 09:53 |Lupin| not sure I understand that.. 09:53 chris can only run selects (too dangerous otherwise) 09:53 |Lupin| no ? 09:53 chris have to do that in msyql 09:52 chris ahh you cant do that in the interface 09:52 |Lupin| hmm I guess I'll have to learn some sql because it's not onl a select, also have to midify the db. 09:52 |Lupin| chris: ok 09:51 chris thats right 09:51 |Lupin| s/request/query/g 09:51 |Lupin| chris: and then in the SQL field, you give the whole select request ? 09:50 chris easy to do 09:49 chris np 09:49 |Lupin| sorry I missed this button 09:49 |Lupin| chris: it chris: aaaaah 09:49 chris choose create report from sql 09:49 chris instead of choosing build new 09:49 chris dont do that :) 09:49 |Lupin| chris: I did step 1 to 4 09:48 |Lupin| yep 09:48 chris go to reports, then guided reports 09:47 |Lupin| chris: I don't see where one can do sql in the guided report... 09:03 |Lupin| chris: ah, will have to figure that out 08:21 chris you can do sql in the guided reports to 08:19 paul_p |Lupin|: hello. So, you confirm koha-fr.org is OK for disabled ppl ? nice to read (Drupal is supposed to be, but it's always better when one can test it IRL) 08:17 laurence :) 08:16 |Lupin| laurence: thanks a lot for the nice pages you have written on the french site for Koha 08:16 laurence hello |lupin| 08:15 |Lupin| hi laurence 08:15 |Lupin| hmm missing the possibility to limit by date.. guess will have to use some scriptiong and SQL queries... 08:13 |Lupin| just surprised that title and author do not appear in the list of columns one can add... ? 08:13 |Lupin| it's really impressive 08:13 |Lupin| chris: right, I'm there and creating a new report 08:01 chris then guided reports 08:01 chris go to reports 08:01 |Lupin| chris: ok, thanks ! We may not use the acquisition module systematically, so I think I'll have to use the guided report module. I'm just wondering where it is located in the web interface, I couldn't find it... 07:59 chris just use the guided reports module 07:58 chris if not 07:58 chris if you are using acquisitions there is a prepared report 07:58 chris you can do it in the reports module 07:56 |Lupin| chris: ah there is no binding for this in the web interface ? 07:56 chris for dateaccessioned 07:56 chris you can query the items table 07:56 chris yes |Lupin| 07:51 kf lupin: ok 07:30 |Lupin| kf: thanks. Just posted to the list so maybe a reply will come from there... 07:30 kf I think its possible, but dont know how, perhaps I can look at it later today 07:29 |Lupin| kf: do you by chance know whether it is possible in Koha to see a list of records that have been added after a given date ? 07:28 |Lupin| kf :) 07:28 kf hi Amit 07:27 kf ja, aber zu kurz - wie immer :) 07:25 |Lupin| gut geschlafen kf ? :) 07:25 Amit hi kf 07:24 kf guten morgen Lupin ! 07:24 |Lupin| hello kf ! 07:13 |Lupin| no idea whether it can help for the functionality I'm looking for, though 07:13 |Lupin| the modules looks very cool ! 07:02 |Lupin| Amit: ah I didn't explore the report module so far so I didn' even thin about it. Thanks ! 07:00 Amit i think u can check this by guided report 07:00 |Lupin| like, given a date, all the records that are more recent than this date 06:59 |Lupin| do you by chance know whether it is possible in KOha to get a list of recently added records ? 06:59 |Lupin| hey Amit 06:58 Amit hi Lupin 06:56 |Lupin| hello! 06:24 nicomo hi Amit 06:24 Amit hi nicomo 05:39 greenmang0 indradg: it's pouring outside here... 05:38 indradg greenmang0, morning... not raining right now... just overcast and gloomy 05:38 greenmang0 indradg: is it raining in Kolkata? 05:37 greenmang0 indradg: good morning 05:33 indradg Amit, hey 05:33 Amit hi indradg 05:25 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0°C (10:10 AM IST on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 05:25 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 05:12 munin ebegin: The current temperature in South of Downtown Dallas, Dallas, Texas is 30.7°C (12:12 AM CDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM CDT Thursday... 05:12 ebegin @wunder dallas, texas 05:12 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 05:12 ebegin @wunder texas 05:12 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 34.0°C (10:30 AM IST on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 05:11 Amit @wunder New Delhi 05:11 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 05:11 ebegin @wunder Bengaḷuru, india 05:10 munin Amit: Error: No such location could be found. 05:10 Amit @wunder Bengaḷūru 05:09 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 05:09 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found. 05:09 ebegin @wunder bangaluoore, india 05:09 brendan @wunder bangalore india 05:08 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 05:08 ebegin @wunder bangaluru, india 05:08 munin Amit: Error: No such location could be found. 05:08 Amit @wunder bangaluoore 05:08 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 05:08 ebegin @wunder bangaluru 05:08 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 05:08 ebegin @wunder bangaluru, karnataka 05:08 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 05:07 ebegin @wunder bangalore, karnataka 05:07 munin Amit: Error: No such location could be found. 05:07 Amit @wunder Bangalore 05:06 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 05:06 ebegin @wunder moon 05:06 ebegin :) 05:06 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 05:06 ebegin @wunder wonderland 05:06 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 28.0°C (8:30 AM IST on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.51 in 999 hPa. 05:05 Amit @wunder Dehradun 05:05 munin brendan: The current temperature in Villages of Summit Woods, Reynoldsburg, Ohio is 21.8°C (1:03 AM EDT on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Rising). 05:05 brendan @wunder National Capital Territory of Delhi 05:05 Amit National Capital Territory of Delhi (NCT), is the second-largest metropolis in India. 05:05 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found. 05:05 brendan @wunder delhi, uk 05:04 Amit ebegin: Delhi is union territory. 05:04 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 05:04 ebegin @wunder delhi, india 05:04 brendan :) 05:04 ebegin haha! 05:04 munin ebegin: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 33.0°C (10:00 AM IST on July 16, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 05:04 ebegin @wunder new delhi, india 05:03 brendan hehe 05:03 munin brendan: The current temperature in New Orleans Lakefront, Louisiana is 28.0°C (11:53 PM CDT on July 15, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 05:03 brendan @wunder new delhi, indian 05:03 munin brendan: The current temperature in New Orleans Lakefront, Louisiana is 28.0°C (11:53 PM CDT on July 15, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 05:03 brendan @wunder new delhi indian 05:03 ebegin Amit, is there a province or state in which delhi is? 05:03 munin brendan: The current temperature in Shields Valley, Wilsall, Montana is 11.4°C (11:03 PM MDT on July 15, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1024.9 hPa (Rising). 05:03 brendan @wunder wilsall, mt 05:00 munin Amit: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 05:00 Amit munin: @wunder Delhi 04:53 Amit heya brendan 04:53 munin brendan: I suck 04:53 brendan @ wilsall, mt 04:52 brendan heya amit, chris, mason -- #koha 03:53 Amit hmm ur right 03:53 ebegin A lot of work on your shoulders Amit :) 03:52 Amit http://www.indianexpress.com/news/now-plans-to-make-libraries-visit-your-doorsteps/489434/ 03:52 Amit http://www.tenderhome.com/mcd/print_release.php3?sno=652 03:51 chris good news 03:51 chris ah yep, i saw that a while ago 03:50 Amit chris: http://www.topnews.in/delhi-public-library-opens-first-computerised-subbranch-2149652 03:50 Amit hi chris 03:29 Amit haa.. 03:28 ebegin A lot of person think so 03:28 Amit ok i think munin is a person 03:28 munin ebegin: amit was last seen in #koha 1 minute and 4 seconds ago: <Amit> hi munin 03:28 ebegin @seen amit 03:28 ebegin :) Amit, munin is a bot, an automated machine answering our request 03:27 Amit hi munin 03:27 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 03:27 ebegin @wunder bangalore, india 03:26 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 19.0°C (11:00 PM EDT on July 15, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 03:26 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec 03:26 Amit i m in bangalore weather is good here in bangalore 03:26 Amit yes i m from India 03:26 ebegin Amit: IIRC, You are in India, right? 03:25 ebegin How's the weather in India? 03:23 ebegin pretty good, thanks. 03:23 Amit ebegin: i m fine what about u? 03:22 ebegin How are you? 03:22 Amit heya ebegin 03:22 ebegin hey Amit! 03:22 Amit hi koha #good morning 03:21 ebegin Ok, and we may encounter problems if 100 persons subscribes to 10 search queries each... 03:19 chris yep 03:19 ebegin Am I right? 03:18 ebegin ok, that is good for the example you explaine with the recent acqui... but feedburner can not really used on a search result feed. For exemple, I perform a seach about Computer in the OPAC. I subscribe to the search result to know when a new book will get out from my Computer query. 03:15 chris saves your opac getting hit lots 03:15 chris then people could subscribe to that, feedburner fetches it once, ppl fetch it from feedburner lots 03:15 chris i would use feedburner 03:15 chris say recently acquisitioned books 03:15 ebegin Do you know iGoogle? 03:15 chris if you wanted to publicise a feed 03:14 ebegin a lot actually... :) 03:14 chris does that make sense? 03:13 chris (that way if multiple people are subscribed to a feed, it only gets fetched once, every 10 mins or so ... instead of once per person) 03:13 chris refreshing just refreshes your display, it doesnt refetch all the feeds you have subscribed to 03:12 chris like bloglines 03:12 chris google reader fetches feeds periodically 03:12 chris not in google reader it wont 03:10 ebegin So if i read my feed from, let's say, Google Reader, every time I refresh my page, this will trigger a search in the catalogue... do you know if this is the way most of the rss feeds work? 03:08 chris everytime your reader asks for the feed again, yes 03:08 ebegin Yes. If I subscibe to a search result in the opac, will the request will be send every time I refresh my RSS reader? 03:07 chris in koha? 03:06 ebegin Hey, does anybody know how rss feed are managed? 03:04 chris quiet today 20:42 chris morning richard 20:32 Snow_Fox ello 20:32 richard hi 19:44 joetho times up. 19:44 joetho uh oh 19:31 ebegin Oh, i see 19:31 joetho I have been trying to reach Ryan by email to schedule some stuff. 19:31 ebegin yep 19:31 ebegin Yeo 19:30 joetho You mean the one that expires in TEN MINUTES?? 19:29 chris :) 19:29 chris yeah i tend to exaggerate for effect 19:28 ebegin joetho, what is the offer actually? 19:28 ebegin 1 U.S. dollar = 1.54035736 New Zealand dollars 19:26 ebegin Chris, really? 19:23 chris ill do it, $5 us is like 10 million nz 19:22 chris heh 19:22 joetho Nineteen minutes remaining for this one-time offer! 19:00 joetho forty minutes left. Operators are standing by! 18:59 joetho this works great with my daughters 18:53 wizzyrea sneaky 18:47 ryam hehe :) 18:47 pianohacker So not since the meeting 18:47 munin pianohacker: ryan was last seen in #koha 1 week, 6 days, 23 hours, 45 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: * ryan Ryan Higgins, LibLime 18:47 pianohacker @seen ryan 18:46 ryam lost 5 $ ? :) 18:46 ryam Hi there 18:44 joetho 56 minutes left. 18:42 owen joetho: If that turned out to work it could revolutionize Koha support 18:40 joetho Five bucks to Ryan's paypal if he writes anything on here in the next hour. 18:39 joetho Hi, RYAN! 18:38 collum Hi 18:35 pianohacker <TMPL_IF __odd__>Hi, collum!</TMPL_IF> 18:34 joetho hello collum, hello tester 18:03 joetho never mind 18:03 joetho what does THAT mean. 18:02 pianohacker ryan: customerping 18:01 joetho Hello Ryan! Are you here? 16:39 Snow_Fox i would imagine with all the mountains in NZ especially in the rainforests it would be some nice rock slides 16:38 chris http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/recent_quakes.html 16:38 chris no real damage 16:38 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2597897/Fiordland-quake-measures-7-8 16:38 Snow_Fox move on 16:38 Snow_Fox etc 16:38 Snow_Fox no grand plans 16:37 Snow_Fox nothing to see here 16:37 Snow_Fox heh 16:36 atz ryan might be working on something similar already 16:36 pianohacker Would still be difficult, but more practical 16:36 atz yeah, that makes sense 16:36 Snow_Fox or something 16:36 Snow_Fox Patron Permissions Blocks 16:36 atz having singular defaults for new users would be easy.... switching to a multiple group/category based system is a huge rewrite 16:36 Snow_Fox and add a feature like 16:36 Snow_Fox then why not just leave categorys alone so to speak 16:35 pianohacker It would be one of those joyous, slog through the code refactoring projects 16:35 Snow_Fox oh i see 16:35 atz all the circ rules and stats reports depend on patron category 16:35 Snow_Fox why im not a dedicated programmer :-P 16:35 atz a ton, actually 16:35 Snow_Fox would change the insides a little thats for sure 16:34 Snow_Fox i dont think it would be that hard though 16:34 Snow_Fox well 16:34 atz yeah, the difference is that in AD you can be in many groups... koha has only one field for patron category 16:33 Snow_Fox the only thing i figure would be problematic would be having users being part of multiple groups 16:33 Snow_Fox if need be you can create a new user group and toss those users into it 16:33 Snow_Fox well the idea is similar to active directory which is what im more familiar with anyways 16:32 atz my impression is that none of this would matter much if you could batch edit effectively. 16:31 atz your only choices would be (1) nothing, (2) overwrite w/ new categories defaults or (3) supplement w/ new categories defaults 16:30 atz the difficulty would be when changing patron category, what happens then? 16:29 atz Snow_Fox: the proposed mechanism you describe would not be too difficult to implement 16:29 Snow_Fox would make user management a bit easier 16:29 Snow_Fox ill keep that in mind 16:29 pianohacker Would be a good thing to get some libraries together and co-sponsor, though 16:28 pianohacker Snow_Fox: I don't know if there's a bug out for it. 16:28 Snow_Fox heh 16:28 pianohacker Snow_Fox: <thuck> 16:28 paul_p atz: I won't tell you how many holidays librarians in universities have... you would decide to learn french & move here) 16:28 Snow_Fox are they gonna change it eventually 16:28 Snow_Fox pianohacker pickaxe please 16:28 atz paul_p: yes, the french are superior in that respect... 16:27 pianohacker You can only set global defaults right now 16:27 schuster snow_fox you are correct 16:27 pianohacker Snow_Fox: Correct 16:27 Snow_Fox am i correct? 16:27 Snow_Fox atz: yes i mean not at all, i cant set a generic permissions category like circ staff, and when i create a new user or add it to that category he doesnt get the perms 16:27 paul_p (in France, the legal minimum is 5 weeks) 16:26 paul_p atz: do you plan to have some holidays this summer (how many weeks do you have ? iirc, the US standard is 2 weeks per year, isn't it ?) 16:26 Snow_Fox nice 16:24 paul_p we are very very very busy and the next months/years will probably not be too quiet. (note i'm happy with that) 16:23 paul_p although I worked a little yesterday (working on our 2010 plans...) 16:23 paul_p atz: yep. 16:23 paul_p almost time to leave for me, here in Europe 16:22 atz greets paul_p, did you enjoy the holiday? 16:22 paul_p hello Snow_Fox & atz & owen 16:19 atz permissions are all based on granted privs to individuals... 16:19 atz Snow_Fox: by not quite, you mean not at all. 16:11 Snow_Fox well that kinda sucks 16:08 Snow_Fox ok so permissions are not quite like active directory in terms of user groups 16:08 rhcl Yea, that will rattle your cage 16:08 Snow_Fox me too 16:08 Snow_Fox there we go 16:08 rhcl OK, well, I hope everybody is OK 16:08 Snow_Fox 7.8 is nothing to scoff at ':\ 16:07 Snow_Fox i would assume not.... 16:07 rhcl 7.8 quake hit NZ I see, I assume everybody is OK. 16:05 munin rhcl: chris was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 59 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <chris> yep 16:05 rhcl @seen chris 16:04 Snow_Fox well so much for the simple document :-P 16:03 atz yeah, case in point... a library may have many "staff" who aren't actually librarians or circdesk ppl 15:59 Snow_Fox ok thanks owen 15:58 Snow_Fox crapski 15:58 owen The patron categories don't grant any kind of status on their own 15:58 owen Permissions are the only thing that really affect access 15:57 Snow_Fox hey to make a patron a staff memeber is it better to go in a granulaly do it via the permissions or just to set the category to staff 15:54 |Lupin| till soon, everybody. Take care. 15:31 magnusenger gotta run, thanks for your help, folks! 15:11 magnusenger ...in the opac 15:10 magnusenger paul_p: is this something end users may run into, or is it related to the itranet? Firebug was reporting 404s for some js-stuff that seems to be only used in the intranet... 15:09 magnusenger paul_p: good thing it wasn't something completely unknown, then! :-) 15:08 paul_p hey, magnusenger: I apologize... as it's a very known/common issue (related to page caching) 15:06 magnusenger |Lupin| et al: Looks like my earlier problem may have been related to Firefox, not Koha. I tried it in Safari and the languages worked as expected. Then i closed Firefox and started it again, and now it works there too! 15:00 Snow_Fox is there a data dictionary for the database? 15:00 Snow_Fox i think i may have asked this before but cant remember 14:40 |Lupin| Snow_Fox: definitely 14:38 Snow_Fox but one can hope cant we 14:37 Snow_Fox true 14:36 |Lupin| Snow_Fox: but given the way publishers react in France, the choice is not between DRM and no DRM. The choice is rather between books with DRMs and no book at all. 14:35 |Lupin| Snow_Fox: I don't like them either 14:35 Snow_Fox i know necessary evil 14:35 |Lupin| schuster: so the system must know about manufacturers and platforms for which a book can be encrypted 14:34 |Lupin| schuster: we will use koha to deliver DRM-protected books to visuall impaired persons. 14:34 |Lupin| schuster: kind of. 14:32 schuster This doesn't sound like a library issue...?? Are you using the system for another purpose? 14:30 |Lupin| perhaps two lists and then in a function somewhere check that the (manufacturer, product) pair that has been chosen is valid 14:29 |Lupin| does anybody have suggestions or remarks on this, pls ? 14:29 |Lupin| one other ossibility would be onelist that combines manufacturer and products, but it does not look very elegant to me and also, at database level I'd like to have a clear distinction between the two concepts 14:26 |Lupin| so two lists, but choice in the second one depends on what has been selected in the first one 14:23 |Lupin| and then for each one there is a list of products 14:23 |Lupin| like one authorised value represents a list of manufacturers 14:23 |Lupin| I'm wondering what's he best way to implement dependent choices 14:21 |Lupin| schuster: yep, that's what I finally figured out. Thanks a lot for your help. 14:17 schuster userid is user login to pac and also to staff interface if you provide permissions. 14:16 |Lupin| just had a look to what we have in our database 14:16 |Lupin| ah that's ok 14:15 |Lupin| not sre what userid refers to. 14:15 |Lupin| pls, is it correct- to store a user login in the borrowers.userid column ? 14:07 Snow_Fox although not as ugly as whats in indiana right now 14:07 Snow_Fox about to rain here agian 14:07 Snow_Fox prob not as bad though 14:07 wizzyrea just rain in lawrence :P 14:06 Snow_Fox RHCL hate to break it to ya but i think you have incomming agian 13:53 |Lupin| schuster: he left a quarter ago or something like that, perhaps more 13:49 schuster hmmm I'll catch him via email. 13:46 schuster I see he was hitting the road, but didn't know for how long... 13:45 schuster OK gmcharlt - you out of the office? 13:39 |Lupin| it makes people think you are a real hacker when you give the location of a funciton implementing a syscall in the LInux kernel 13:39 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: :) 13:38 hdl_laptop |Lupin|: ctags++ 13:35 |Lupin| magnusenger: grep "sub find_user_and template" to locate it, or even better use ctag, I think it supports Perl... 13:34 magnusenger |Lupin|: sure enough, i'll give it a try 13:34 |Lupin| magnusenger: you look this one 13:34 |Lupin| magnusenger: there is a function which is called something like find_user_and_template 13:33 |Lupin| magnusenger: no idea, but that's the kind of thing you may be able to debug with Perl's print function, at least 13:31 magnusenger now, why would Koha be looking for *opac*/htdocs/*intranet*-tmpl ? 13:30 magnusenger |Lupin| et al: finally thought to look in koha-opac-error_log. With each request to a detail-page in the opac, i get *5* of these: "File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/intranet-tmpl, referer: http://sksk.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1" 13:28 gmcharlt hitting the road again - talk to you all later 13:28 gmcharlt |Lupin|: correct 13:28 |Lupin| Is it correct that koha does not have a function to send a fresh password to a user that would have forgotten or lost it ? 13:27 |Lupin| please everybody 13:07 |Lupin| magnusenger: also: the command may be useful for any install from git, nos sure whether it is specific to dev-installs, installs from gi, ... 13:07 magnusenger |Lupin|: Thanks for trying!! 13:07 |Lupin| magnusenger: I guess if I were you I'd examine the script and see wha goes wrong, since it's perhaps not much. 13:06 |Lupin| magnusenger: then I don't know. 13:01 magnusenger |Lupin|: That sounded promising, but I get this: http://pastebin.com/m5cf50a07 And I'm not doing a dev install, just a normal install but from git. 12:54 |Lupin| magnusenger: I have finally found the page: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development 12:54 |Lupin| magnusenger: does that help ? 12:54 |Lupin| magnusenger: and replace LANGUAGECODE by what is appropriate for you 12:53 |Lupin| magnusenger: ./install-code.pl LANGUAGECODE 12:53 |Lupin| magnusenger: cd KOHADIR/misc/translator/ 12:47 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: I'm looking for a list of all the pages _I_ have modified once, even not recently 12:47 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: I 'm not sure this is what I'm looking for 12:44 hdl_laptop http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?do=recent&id=start 12:43 hdl_laptop there is an rss feed 12:43 |Lupin| is there a way to see all the pages one has changed on it ? 12:43 |Lupin| once loged in to the wiki 12:43 |Lupin| hmm 12:39 |Lupin| magnusenger: 'm not sure either, but this may be to create a branh, i.e. if you intend to modify the code 12:32 magnusenger |Lupin|: I was a bit unsure about the bit that says "git checkout -b myinstall origin", I can't remember doing that on earlier installs... 12:29 magnusenger |Lupin| ;-) 12:29 |Lupin| can't remember to which page, though 12:29 |Lupin| however I myself added it to the wiki a few days ago 12:28 |Lupin| but can't find it 12:28 |Lupin| magnusenger: I think there is one additional command to run when compiling from git 12:26 |Lupin| kf: ok, thanks. I was trying to figure out where the "branch" term comes from. And yes I noticed that several tables have branch in their names 12:23 kf lupin: when you define search groups the relation is stored in these tables, but I think groups aren't used in Koha atm 12:23 magnusenger |Lupin|: git clone git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git kohaclone; cd kohaclone; git checkout -b myinstall origin; perl Makefile.PL; make; make test; sudo make install 12:22 kf lupin: I think the name is for a historical reason, also look at branchrelations and branchcategories 12:22 magnusenger |Lupin|: I followed the steps in INSTALL.debian-lenny 12:21 kf lupin: the defined libraries are stored in branches 12:20 |Lupin| magnusenger: after you got the repository, which commands did you use to install ? 12:20 |Lupin| magnusenger: should be enough, indeed 12:19 magnusenger |Lupin|: no, those were the files, eg in prog/nn-NO/modules. Directories are drwxr-xr-x 12:18 |Lupin| and also: why is his called branches rather than, say, libraries ? 12:18 |Lupin| is it correct that the different libraries are stored in the branches table ? 12:18 |Lupin| please everybody 12:17 |Lupin| magnusenger: to be sure the webserver is allowed to enter directories 12:17 |Lupin| magnusenger: if it's for the directories, I'd add x for group and others 12:16 |Lupin| magnusenger: depends for what 12:09 magnusenger -rw-r--r-- should be ok, right? 12:08 |Lupin| just because I have ea restrictive umask and forgot to re-run chmod after having generated the translations 12:07 |Lupin| magnusenger: I asked because I have met this problem 12:07 |Lupin| magnusenger: np 12:05 magnusenger |Lupin|: sorry for being unclear, yes. 12:03 |Lupin| magnusenger: and the permissions are the same, too ?