Time Nick Message 09:45 chris bottom of the page 09:44 chris http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-8.html 09:30 vedran I installed koha in school. Do we have to enter all bibliographic records from the beginning and abandon teh current software that we use? Are there any import procedures? 07:51 greenmang0 fine* 07:51 greenmang0 indradg: finel.. :) 07:48 indradg greenmang0, howdy! 07:47 greenmang0 indradg: good afternoon :) 23:29 pianohacker Good night 21:48 Snow_Fox i may need it later 21:48 Snow_Fox but keep it on hand 21:33 Snow_Fox nothing new thankfully :-P 21:17 pianohacker Heh. What'd you find? 21:17 Snow_Fox so about that pickaxe 21:13 Snow_Fox ok 21:13 pianohacker LibLime would almost certainly do that for you 21:13 pianohacker It's something set up on the server, actually 21:13 Snow_Fox is that a bit like a config file that would have to be opened and changed? 21:12 Snow_Fox Specify the number of days overdue before an item is marked lost and patron is charged (cron job = longoverdues.pl) 21:12 pianohacker In what way? Changing it's behavior, or when it runs? 21:12 Snow_Fox this is gonna be a funny question for anyone who doesnt bleed blue, how do you modify a cron job 21:12 pianohacker ? 21:11 Snow_Fox ok 20:53 brendan hey goodmorning chris 20:47 pianohacker Good morning 20:46 chris morning 20:20 pianohacker Yup 20:19 Snow_Fox so.... 20:19 Snow_Fox well were hosted anyways 20:19 pianohacker Yeah, AutoLocation is good if every branch accesses Koha from its own static IP; it's kind of useless otherwise 20:19 pianohacker See? You can solve your own problem 20:18 Snow_Fox dude i live in kansas firearms are a way of life :-P 20:17 pianohacker Your head won't hurt, but... 20:17 pianohacker Well, I can at least take care of that problem 20:16 Snow_Fox it sorta makes sense in a security sorta way 20:16 Snow_Fox this is really starting to make my head hurt 20:16 Snow_Fox huh i wonder why they have that as enable 20:13 pianohacker Yup 20:12 Snow_Fox Enable IP authentication to block access to staff client from unauthorized IP addresses (sys pref = AutoLocation) 20:12 Snow_Fox the autolocation your refering too is 20:12 Snow_Fox just to make sure were on the same page 20:09 pianohacker The ones you mentioned earlier? Yeah. You might want to contact Nicole Engard at LibLime about them; she takes care of the documentation 20:08 Snow_Fox those syspref's had me seriously confused because i couldnt find references to em 20:08 pianohacker Okay. You should probably still leave it off 20:08 Snow_Fox i could be horribly wrong though 20:08 Snow_Fox from my understanding were a single branch 20:07 pianohacker What? 20:07 pianohacker You probably do not want to turn on AutoLocation unless each one of your branches has a static IP address 20:07 Snow_Fox earlier that had me going hicket? 20:07 Snow_Fox but it was those syspref 20:07 Snow_Fox im sure 20:07 pianohacker What it says about the logging options is also true; they can slow down your system quite a bit 20:06 pianohacker The default for that system preference should be fine; I think it only affects you if you're not using Zebra 20:05 Snow_Fox Remove defined stopwords from queries (sys pref = QueryRemoveStopwords) 20:05 Snow_Fox this bit 20:05 pianohacker Not sure what you mean, but stopwords are all handled by the Zebra search engine 20:04 Snow_Fox i noticed they were preset would i still need to run the query for em though? 20:04 pianohacker Though you won't have to worry about setting up stopwords 20:04 Snow_Fox well if i find it ill let ya know :\ 20:03 pianohacker Don't see anything else too crazy 20:02 Snow_Fox we got the same checklist from liblime and im goign through trying to get out settings lined up in a row first so to speak 20:01 Snow_Fox http://new.koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0/appendices/implementation-checklist 20:01 pianohacker k 20:00 Snow_Fox lemme grab the link for ya 20:00 pianohacker What checklist is this? 20:00 pianohacker odd 20:00 pianohacker Koha does not even seem to acknowledge that syspref 19:59 Snow_Fox what about (sys pref = noOPACUserLogin) 19:59 pianohacker maxitemsinsearchresults is kind of an odd man out 19:59 pianohacker Hopefully nothing 19:59 Snow_Fox i wonder what else in this checklist is gonna be like that 19:57 Snow_Fox ok.... thats a weird thing to have in the checklist for initial setups 19:56 pianohacker You have to, in this case 19:56 pianohacker You can add custom system preferences 19:55 Snow_Fox is that something that would be modified or created at install or is it just unchangeable 19:55 Snow_Fox ok.... 19:54 pianohacker Koha seems to pay attention to it, but for some reason it's not included in the syspref editor 19:53 Snow_Fox sys pref = maxItemsInSearchResults <- is that something that no longer exists? It is listed in the quick start check list but i cant find it within the liblime demo or the manual 18:34 pianohacker brb 17:11 pianohacker Or, more likely, the branches table would grow and grow 17:11 pianohacker Heh 17:11 thd A system preference would be nice but I would abstract everything and Koha would be nothing but system preferences :) 17:10 pianohacker thd: I think that's the only option, yes 17:10 thd Do people edit the templates? 17:10 thd what is done for changing the representation of columns sort1 sort2 in the display? 16:58 pianohacker Heh, no problem 16:57 ricardo Bye everyone! pianohacker and ebegin: Thanks for trying to help! :) 16:34 kf bye #koha, have a nice weekend! 16:34 kf looks like rain outside - came by bike today :( 16:31 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.0°C (6:31 PM CEST on July 03, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). 16:31 kf @wunder Konstanz 16:28 ricardo kf: eheh 16:28 kf my colleagues want me to have one... g 16:27 ricardo pianohacker: LOL, OK 16:27 pianohacker Trust me, I'm not one to talk 16:27 ricardo pianohacker: In a strange kind of way, that's sad and funny for being true 16:26 pianohacker Nonsense 16:26 pianohacker What, you want a personal life separate from work or something? 16:26 pianohacker HEh 16:25 kf no access from home - and thats actually a good thing :) 16:25 kf pianohacker: will have to leave work soon and have no access to our koha installation from there, so cant do it before monday 16:25 pianohacker Sorry for the misunderstanding 16:24 pianohacker kf: Yup, it's completely broken 16:24 kf pianohoacker: so its about writing a bug for this now 16:22 ricardo http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2009-July/003892.html 16:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2599 major, P1, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, NEW, Search limits not working for NoZebra 16:22 ricardo [Koha-patches] [PATCH] Fix for Bug 2599 - Search limits not working for NoZebra 16:21 ricardo pianohacker: Well, it has reached the mailing list after 10 minutes or so... Actually, I did a setup change *after* sending the e-mail. I hope that it also works next time: 16:21 kf and if you have defined a category type with code I 16:20 kf right 16:20 pianohacker Okay, something is completely screwed up here. The editing screen will only show the list of organizations if you're editing another organization 16:18 pianohacker That is strange. 16:18 kf there is only the Guarantor Information, nothing about organisations 16:17 kf it should look for category_type not for categorycode to build the list 16:17 pianohacker But are you able to see the list of organizations when editing a professional patron? 16:17 pianohacker kf: That is most definitely a bug, especially in Koha 3 16:16 kf I think this is a bug 16:16 kf ah and the real strange thing is: i had to add a patron type with code I, so I can have only one patron type for organisations 16:16 kf mom 16:15 pianohacker You should also get the list in the editing screen for the professional 16:14 kf i get the list in organization, and a guarantor search in professionals that cant search right 16:14 kf professional can be linked to organization 16:14 kf no 16:14 pianohacker kf: Why not? The purpose of the drop down is to choose an organization to link this patron to, correct? 16:14 kf I think there are two bugs: 16:13 kf there is no sense in listing all organisations in the organisation patrons 16:13 pianohacker kf: How do you mean? 16:12 pianohacker ricardo: Just saw your patch 16:11 kf I think this list should be shown for in the professional's form 16:11 kf but it doesnt make sense 16:11 kf I changed my organisation patron to I and in the list is now filled 16:10 kf i added a patron categoriy type organisation with code I 16:10 kf oh interestnig 16:08 kf or perhaps I do... let me try something 16:07 kf not sure, if I understand it right 16:04 pianohacker kf: does that make sense? 16:02 ricardo Eheh 16:02 pianohacker exim-- 16:02 pianohacker Hrmph 16:01 ricardo ;-) 16:01 munin ricardo: Karma for "postfix" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 16:01 ricardo @karma postfix 16:01 pianohacker Death to exim 16:01 ricardo pianohacker: Yeah... Exim only got here, because this is the first time I'm setting up a Debian installation, and Exim got there "semi-automatically"... 16:01 pianohacker kf: It looks like that organizations field is slightly buggy; rather than looking for patrons in categories that are the institution type, it _only_ looks for categories with the code 'I' 16:01 ebegin kf, currently, this is a one way relation. However, I agree that it could be nice to get the list of professionals linked to an org. 16:00 pianohacker For me, trying to set up exim4 was an exercise in frustration 15:59 pianohacker ricardo: postfix++ 15:59 kf professional looks fine after searching and linking - but I think the organisation misses something - perhaps a list of linked professionals? 15:58 kf :) 15:58 ricardo kf: There's something strange in EVERY organisation! ;-) (sorry, couldn't resist, eheh...) 15:58 kf an empty field called organisation(s) 15:57 kf there is something strange in the organisation too 15:57 ricardo (Trying to solve this aptitude remove exim4 trying to set up postfix) 15:57 kf dont know 15:56 pianohacker It's odd that you have to search for the organization using the guarantor search; the patron editing code looks like it should be showing a simple dropdown box allowing you to choose an organization 15:55 kf ok - lets call it that :) 15:55 ebegin A bug or an uncompleted feature :) 15:55 kf but not with surname or when leaving it blank 15:55 kf ok, so its a bug? It works, when you know the cardnumber 15:54 ebegin kf... that is the problem i mentionned earlier. The search is looking only for Adult, not for organisation... 15:53 kf hm. I can search for the organization now - but dont find it :( 15:49 ricardo (I only replaced @ by AT for spam-protection in Pastebin... The original had @ signs, naturally) 15:49 ricardo http://koha.pastebin.com/m9a18c5b 15:49 ricardo pianohacker: Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Meanwhile, I have posted my attempt at: 15:47 pianohacker ricardo: mail sending can be a pain to set up. Does a simple test with sendmail work? 15:44 ricardo So, I think the problem is "git send-email" saying that it has sent the e-mail when it hasn't 15:43 pianohacker Well then 15:43 pianohacker HUh 15:42 ricardo "An attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing list koha-patches@lists.koha.org. You are already subscribed to this mailing list." 15:42 ricardo Actually forget that, I'm subscribed with that e-mail address: 15:41 pianohacker It might just be easier to subscribe the other email (disabling mail delivery if you want) and send it again 15:41 pianohacker ricardo: Mails sent by non-subscribed users are theoretically held in moderation, but I don't think the moderation queue is very well-loved 15:39 ricardo OK. I think that I found out what the problem is (I'm subscribed to the mailing list with a different e-mail address). So what happens to the e-mail message relating to the patch sent? Will it have to wait to be manually approved (posted) to the mailing list? 15:39 ebegin ricardo, do not read what I wrote... :) 15:38 ricardo Back 15:38 slef need to clear phone calls before close-of-regular business 15:37 slef sorry for going MIA 15:37 kf selected staff by mistake - so it couldn't work - thx for helping me! 15:37 kf I made a mistake when configuring categories 15:36 ebegin kf, I think that your patron must be of a type Professionnal. In that case, you should have a section to choose its guarantor... exactly the same principle than the child that is link to the parent... however, I think that there is a problem to link them. The search for guarantor only search for Adult, not for Organisation. 15:34 pianohacker kf: Try the patron editing screen 15:34 kf memberofinstitution: ON 15:33 pianohacker Ok. 15:33 kf yes I did 15:33 kf manual shows a nice window, but I cant see how to get there 15:33 pianohacker kf: I believe there is a syspref you must turn on first 15:32 kf Testing 3.2 patron management: I added categories for organisation and professional and patrons for both, but how do i link them? 15:32 owen That's not a good way to handle that 15:31 owen Whoa, I didn't realize the OPACAmazonReviews preference controlled both the display of Amazon Reviews *and* Amazon product descriptions 15:30 ebegin thanks for clarifying this 15:30 ebegin well, your point make sense otherwise people wouldn't be able to reply to each other on that list... :) 15:30 kf Owen is right, needed sometime myself to figure that out :) 15:29 owen No, that's not correct. 15:29 ebegin s/apply/applied/ 15:29 ebegin owen... hmmm, my understanding is that they appear on the list only when they are apply... but I may be wrong... 15:28 owen But all patches should go to the patches list immediately, no human intervention required. 15:27 ebegin ricardo, the patch is sent to hdl_laptop or gmcharlt, not sure who exactly. They double check it and then apply it to the correct branch, IIRC, so yes, we still human :) 15:25 ricardo BRB 15:25 ricardo I think so, but I'm not 100% sure 15:25 pianohacker It should be automatic, but are you subscribed to the list? 15:24 pianohacker Hmm 15:24 ricardo I just sent a patch to patches@koha.org .... How long does it take for that patch to get posted to koha-patches@lists.koha.org ? Is it automatic or is there human intervention involved? 15:24 pianohacker What's up? 15:24 ricardo Hi pianohacker! :) 15:23 pianohacker Hey, ricardo 15:23 ricardo Hi everyone. Is anyone here? 15:08 pianohacker brb 15:02 |Lupin| thanks soul9 15:01 |Lupin| till soon 15:01 soul9 have a good one 15:01 |Lupin| soul9: yeah, will certainly do something like that... 15:01 soul9 dunno how well that would work in perl though, i don't think it would...you probably need to store the as_isbn13 and then call as_string for it 15:00 |Lupin| k, have to go. See you later folks 15:00 soul9 |Lupin|: you can just do if $isbn->as_isbn13->as_string or something? 14:59 |Lupin| no matter their lengths 14:59 |Lupin| soul9: testing equality between an isbnX and an isbnY 14:59 |Lupin| soul9: yep ! 14:58 soul9 ah, testing equality of an isbn10 and isbn13 directly? 14:58 |Lupin| soul9: so you could just provide the to ISBNs without taking care of their lengths and it would work out of the box 14:58 |Lupin| soul9: I was just thinking it'd be cool to have an explicit function for testing equality 14:57 |Lupin| soul9: yes 14:54 soul9 s/las/last 14:54 soul9 and i'd guess it doesn't just add the 978 but also probably uses the right algorithm to calculate the las digit 14:53 soul9 |Lupin|: http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/Business-ISBN-2.05/lib/ISBN.pm see in examples the Conversions 14:53 pianohacker Snow_Fox: It should give you that option with the value off as well 14:53 Snow_Fox or am i missing the point 14:53 Snow_Fox pianohacker: Based on what im seeing from the demo with that value on it gives the option to print off manually from the web browser 14:53 soul9 |Lupin|: it does isbn10 to 13 conversion back and forth 14:51 |Lupin| soul9: if you are talking about Business::ISBN, there is no comparison function provided. I guess I'll have to do it manually (converting everything to ISBN13 before comparing) 14:51 pianohacker Snow_Fox: I'm pretty sure that syspref is related to some old, server-based printing code which is no longer supported 14:50 |Lupin| soul9: and when I get the records, I have to add in each one some information we have, so I have to associate the records I get to those I have, using ISBNs 14:50 Snow_Fox sys pref = printcirculationslip when its defaulted to on allows the user to print slips it doesnt print a slip automatically correct? 14:50 Snow_Fox just to make sure 14:49 |Lupin| soul9: I used WWW::Mechanize to query a server which provides MARC records. 14:49 hdl_laptop OR have one BIGfile with xml:lang parameter for strings. 14:49 hdl_laptop owen: there are two ways to enable translation in xsl : either make strings enter po files and edit tokenizer for that. 14:49 soul9 there is a perl module just for manipulating isb/sns 14:49 |Lupin| soul9: I'm writng some script to migrate our home-made catalogue to Unimarc. 14:49 soul9 yeah, i understand 14:48 |Lupin| soul9: no, not for finding duplicate ISBNS 14:48 soul9 there is a perl module for it afaik 14:48 soul9 ah, i don't think so 14:48 |Lupin| looking for code that deals correctly no matter whether one compares ISBN10 and ISBN13 14:48 soul9 |Lupin|: you want to find duplicate isbns? 14:47 |Lupin| hello owen, pianohacker 14:47 |Lupin| Is there some perl code available to test equality between ISBN 14:47 pianohacker Hello 14:47 owen Hi |Lupin| 14:47 |Lupin| Hi again everybody. 14:34 kf yes 14:34 munin kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3214 enhancement, P3, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, OPAC XSLT stylesheets are not translatable 14:34 kf @bug 3214 14:34 owen kf: will Koha use the xsl file in en even if you're using a different translation for other templates? 14:32 kf but change the xslt-file in en 14:32 kf you will get error messages - but they are not always helpful 14:31 kf you can rename the original to .old and copy it 14:31 wvdv Yeah, most of my computer skills are also based on trial and error. 14:29 owen I never studied XSLT but I've been able to successfully hack the XSL file in some small ways, so you should be able to puzzle it out 14:28 wvdv I'll give it a go. Thanks a lot. 14:28 owen Yes, you can certainly make a backup and replace it if you run into trouble 14:27 wvdv Yes, I found this file. Looks a bit daunting, that's true. What if I kept a copy of the original and tested changes? Will I get error messages if my attempt is wrong? Can I safely put back the original later, if I don't succeed, or is there a chance that I upset the whole system? I know plenty about programming, just not this format. 14:27 kf its included but not used 14:27 kf currently not 14:27 owen kf: meaning the xsl file is not included in non-en translations? 14:24 kf owen/wvdv: remember currently only en is used for OPAC 14:22 owen The file which controls the search results display is MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl 14:21 owen You're probably looking for opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/ [language] /xslt 14:20 wvdv Found some in intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en-NZ/xslt 14:18 owen Are you familiar with the location of the template files? 14:17 wvdv Could you guide me where to find the XSL template? 14:15 owen Right now that's the only option for controlling what fields are shown or not shown 14:15 owen It's tricky, though. Not for the faint-of-heart 14:15 owen wvdv: No. If you're using the XSLT display you have the option of editing the XSL template that controls what shows up on that screen 14:14 munin slef: owen was last seen in #koha 14 minutes and 49 seconds ago: <owen> wvdv: Were you able to find it? 14:14 slef @seen owen 14:14 slef wvdv: no, he didn't. You can check with @seen owen 14:14 slef kf: let me check the bulk deleter 14:11 wvdv owen, I lost my connection and i'm back again. hope you didn't write anything that fell between the cracks. wvdv 14:08 wvdv sorry, was interrupted. I've meanwhile been told we have Marc21, so that's promising. Now what is the next step after activating XSLT in the OPAC settings? How do I choose Marc fields to show or not to show as search results? 14:07 kf slef: its not so easy testing that, when you dont what to risk all test cases in your test installation 14:06 kf oh. my question was not clear, I meant bulk deleting patrons, not a single one 14:06 kf I was not sure, if the second question was about reading history or about deleting 14:05 kf http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.2/tools/patrons-anonomize-bulk-delete/view?searchterm=delete%20patrons 14:04 slef kf: is this not in the manual? 14:02 kf thats great news 14:02 kf thx slef 14:01 slef kf: no, it calls members/deletemem.tmpl with details of the fines and issues 14:00 slef kf: looking... 14:00 owen wvdv: Were you able to find it? 13:49 ebegin owen, you are faster :) 13:49 ebegin wvdv, and the marc flavor under Cataloguing » marcflavor system pref 13:49 owen The system preference is called "marcflavour" 13:48 ebegin wvdv, also, you'll find the version in the Admin » Version system preference 13:46 ebegin wvdv, where are you located? This is usually a good hint about the MARC version you are using... 13:46 owen The person who first installed Koha would have chosen whether you were MARC21 or UNIMARC 13:45 owen If you found the XSLT option in your system preferences then you're using version 3 13:45 wvdv Yes, I tried to enable the XSLT display (although it warned me that it would only work for Marc21). I'm new here - how do I check whether Marc21 is used and how do I check whether it's version 3? 13:41 owen The answer depends on whether you have the XSLT display enabled in the OPAC (assuming you're using version 3) 13:41 owen Hi wvdv 13:40 wvdv Hi, can anyone tell me how to determine which MARC fields are displayed in the OPAC search results? 13:22 kf hi there, one question: will delete patrons in staff client delete patrons with checkouts or fines? 13:11 thd hello slef 12:58 |Lupin| great, thanks 12:57 slef hi all. How you doing? 12:57 slef I'll email instead 12:57 munin slef: brendan was last seen in #koha 8 hours and 33 seconds ago: <brendan> HEading to bed soon 12:57 slef @seen brendan 12:27 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 19.0°C (8:00 AM EDT on July 03, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Rising). 12:27 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec 12:26 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Paris Le Bourget, France is 25.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on July 03, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 12:26 ebegin @wunder Paris, france 12:24 |Lupin| and I don't really know how to access references... 12:22 |Lupin| it returns an array of references to arrays 12:22 |Lupin| not sure how to handle the results from the part functon 12:21 |Lupin| perhaps not completely solved 12:21 |Lupin| actually 12:18 ebegin Good! 12:18 |Lupin| ebegin: sorry I was not clear enough about that 12:18 |Lupin| ebegin: yes yes 12:12 ebegin |Lupin|, ok, so you already solved your problem? :) 12:11 |Lupin| ebegin: but the part function mentionned earlier does he whole stuff for you so you don't have to remove by yourself. part just builds new lists and adds the elements to the appropriate one 12:10 |Lupin| ebegin: that's the idea yes 12:07 ebegin |Lupin|, so, you are looping through your list and if your predicate is true, you move your element in another list and remove it from your original one 12:06 ebegin oups... wrong window :) 12:06 ebegin ls 12:03 |Lupin| ebegin: it's a list of MARC::Record objects 12:00 ebegin |Lupin|, what is your list, is it a list in perl term or a string representing a list, like "1 2 3 4 5 6"?