Time Nick Message 11:26 Amit hi ebegin 11:25 hdl_laptop hi 11:21 ebegin good morning 11:20 chris and awake again 09:50 hdl_laptop good night 09:41 chris thats enough for a friday night i think 09:36 chris so not too hard to do 09:36 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=opac/opac-main-tt.pl; and thats the script 09:29 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=lib/Koha/Templates.pm; thats the module doing most of the work 09:28 chris but its mostly working now 09:28 chris still converting the template 09:28 chris http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main-tt.pl 09:28 chris :) 09:27 munin hdl_laptop: Error: I haven't seen nengard, I'll let you do the telling. 09:27 hdl_laptop @tell nengard HAPPY BIRTHDAY nicole 07:59 hdl_laptop WOW !! 07:57 chris he is already 5kg 07:56 chris http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=70376 <--- i think atarau might be a prop if he plays rugby :) 07:51 chris or maybe a spring/autumn one 07:51 chris maybe one will want to play rugby one day :-) 07:51 chris good point 07:51 paul_p chris: very good idea. Except i'm not sure any of our childrens would be happy to go to a winter country during his summer... 07:46 chris maybe one year in the future we can do an exchange :-) 07:46 chris thats a long time to keep them entertained 07:45 chris so 2 months or so 07:45 chris hehe 07:45 paul_p with 4 childrens, I can guarantee that organising holidays is as complex as understanding MARC records ! maybe even more complex... 07:44 paul_p chris: sept, 1st or 2nd (don't remember exactly) 07:44 paul_p wifes prefer school time to holiday time... 07:44 chris hehe 07:44 chris how long before school starts again? 07:44 paul_p (not for me, and not for my wife...) 07:44 chris ahh cool 07:44 paul_p chris: yep. 07:43 paul_p (well, in fact, next week, they are supposed to go to school monday & tuesday, but they can come with whatever games they want !) 07:43 chris ohh holidays next week? 07:43 paul_p sunny morning in France. And last day of school for childrens. 07:42 paul_p hello Amit, chris & anyone around 07:42 Amit hi paul_p 07:42 chris yep :) 07:41 paul_p hehe... just 4 to get 100. 07:34 Amit adding sort1 and sort2 filter in overdues report 07:33 Amit hmm if my patch accepted 07:33 chris you will be number 96 :) 07:29 chris ohh cool amit 07:29 nahuel hi 07:28 Amit chris: i m just summit my first patch sort1 and sort2 in overdue report. 07:27 Amit hi nahuel 07:24 Amit hi hdl 07:18 hdl_laptop hi chris 07:13 soul9 good evening New Zealand 07:13 chris good morning europe 06:02 thd in the pre hard drive days 06:01 chris ouch 06:01 thd I inserted the wrong floppy 06:01 thd about 25 years ago I lost my data while trying to back it up 06:01 chris :) 06:00 thd If I manage to be careful now I should never have lost more than a few significant text documents about 15 years ago and my bibliographic citation collection 25 years ago 06:00 chris yeah, but i think the ones who followed the instructiosn got it to work :) 05:57 thd except for some comments complaining that it did not work 05:55 chris sounds like a decent idea 05:54 thd no maintenance backup mail server: http://weblogs.asp.net/guybarrette/archive/2008/05/25/using-gmail-as-a-backup-mail-server.aspx 05:53 chris katipo runs courier as well 05:52 thd dbmail is a one company project which is a little scary 05:52 thd I have been thinking of switching to Courier 05:51 thd in case the mail server goes down 05:51 chris OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2008 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information. 05:50 thd I am concerned about fault tolerant backup 05:49 thd I have to worry more now for myself instead of merely for other systems which I have configured and maintain 05:49 chris 220 mail.catalyst.net.nz ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) 05:48 chris im betting its postfix + something 05:48 chris i know it works, thats all im worried about 05:47 chris dunno, thats the sysadmins job :) 05:47 thd What does work use for the IMAP server? 05:46 chris to read taht too 05:46 chris i let work run the mailserver and still use offlineimap + screen + mutt 05:46 chris (this is for personal mail) 05:45 chris i just let my isp or hosting provider run the mailserver, and i use offlineimap and mutt 05:45 thd really. Why is that? 05:44 chris i dont run my own imap server any more 05:44 chris postfix and/or exim4 05:41 thd chris: what have you used for MTA and IMAP? 05:41 thd hello Amit 05:40 thd and dbmail mail for IMAP and POP 05:40 Amit hi thd 05:40 thd Postfix locally 05:40 chris what do you use for your mta? 05:39 thd if I had file system access for my hosting provider's email server it could be quick 05:39 chris then set them up one by one 05:39 chris you could shift them, and set up a catchall for the time being 05:38 thd I can at least protect some important stuff 05:38 chris true 05:38 thd quickly migrating over 100 addresses is a contradiction 05:37 chris woot, quick migrate it :) 05:37 thd chris: my closing internet host's email server is running again after being down for 3 weekdays 05:30 Jo have agreat wekeend 05:29 Jo ok gotta go 05:29 Jo hehe 05:29 chris if thats the most we embarass him, he'll be lucky :) 05:28 chris hehe 05:26 Jo mind you , he won't thank in years to come for bathing shots 05:26 Jo your kids are so beautiful 05:24 chris http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=70376 05:21 chris hehe 05:21 Jo she was so cute - started off lying on her back then leapt up just a minute or so before we took the photo - not taking her eyes off the page 05:13 chris great photo jo 05:00 chris http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-reset.html 04:46 Amit chris: is there any command to git uncommit 03:29 Amit hi Jo 03:28 Jo hi amit 03:27 Amit hi koha 03:25 Amit ok i will check 03:25 Amit no 03:25 brendan Amit - you hear about Mathieu Bastareaud -- chris pointed that story out to me -- http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2537865/Mathieu-Bastareaud-lie-Graham-Henry-philosophical 03:23 brendan heya Amit 03:23 Amit morning #koha 03:23 Amit hi chris, brendan 02:52 chris :) 02:52 brendan ahhh -- homemade pizza, ray charles and beer here tonight -- spotcha later 02:44 chris just young and panicked i think, but yeah not hte best idea he ever had 02:42 brendan idiot more like it 02:42 brendan oh man - that's not to good -- 02:39 chris brendan: thats a big deal cos nz is hosting the world cup in 2011, and players being attacked is not a good look 02:33 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2537865/Mathieu-Bastareaud-lie-Graham-Henry-philosophical 02:30 brendan lying french rugby player? 01:14 chris all at the same time, biggest load stuff.co.nz has ever had 01:13 chris michael jackson, farrah fawcett, and a lying french rugby player 01:12 chris what a morning 01:12 chris sheeesh 22:48 pianohacker ehh, nevermind. Flaky hotel wireless. See you all tomorrow 22:01 moodaepo alls good now 22:01 moodaepo I kept trying to do make test before I did make zoned out for an hour now! 22:00 munin pianohacker: thd was last seen in #koha 1 day, 14 hours, 36 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <thd> good morning nicomo and nahuel 22:00 pianohacker @seen thd 22:00 moodaepo I am a retard! 21:55 Elwell moodaepo: heh. I'm afraid I gave up and fired debian 5 onto box as ubuntu broke in strange ways 21:47 moodaepo checked DBI, DBD::MYSQL man getting things to work on any platform ~1 year should be easier : ) 21:46 moodaepo gmcharlt: yup! 21:45 gmcharlt moodaepo: DBD::mysql is installed, right? 21:43 moodaepo after make test 21:43 moodaepo ok so now I am stuck at "Error: Can't connect to data source because I can't work out what driver to use" 21:43 munin ebegin: 56003 Zip Code (Mankato, Minnesota) Detailed Profile - residents ...: <http://www.city-data.com/zips/56003.html>; NORTH MANKATO, MN (zip code 56003) real estate - home value ...: <http://www.city-data.com/real-estate/NORTH-MANKATO-MN-56003.html>; 56003 Zip Code in Mankato, MN - Neighborhoods, Schools, Real ...: <http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/zip/56003>; 56003 zip code - (2 more messages) 21:43 ebegin @google 56003 zipcode 21:42 moodaepo hah humidity went down here in half an hour from 100 to 50 21:42 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 29.6°C (4:29 PM CDT on June 25, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Steady). 21:42 moodaepo @wunder 56003 21:42 moodaepo ebegin: you can say that again 21:38 ebegin It's getting hot in here... 21:38 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 31.0°C (5:00 PM EDT on June 25, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1002 hPa (Falling). 21:38 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec 21:24 chris thats the beauty of free software :) 21:24 chris yep :) 21:15 wizzyrea you'll be glad that we're fixing all of the sip stuff for you lol 21:15 chris not yet, in the process (techlogic actually) 21:14 wizzyrea oh, yea, chris you'll probably see that too, doesn't HLT have 3M stuff? 21:12 chris heh whoops 21:11 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2653 normal, P3, ---, joe.atzberger@liblime.com, ASSIGNED, SIP2 Error with unescaped carriage return in circulation note 21:10 wizzyrea i updated bug 2653 to reflect that 21:10 wizzyrea so I learned something funny about SIP today (please, try not to groan)... our self checks show the private circulation notes on the public selfcheck interface. 21:06 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 29.6°C (3:59 PM CDT on June 25, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 30.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady). 21:06 moodaepo @wunder 56001 21:06 munin brendan: The current temperature in Upper Riviera - Camino Alto, Santa Barbara, California is 19.5°C (2:05 PM PDT on June 25, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling). 21:06 brendan @wunder 93103 21:06 brendan hmm.. seems warmer there. but bummer rain 21:05 munin brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (8:15 AM NZST on June 26, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 21:05 brendan @wunder wellington NZ 21:03 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 21:03 chris @later tell paul_p http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2537865/Mathieu-Bastareaud-lied-about-Wellington-attack 20:33 richard hi chris 20:33 chris hi richard 20:31 richard hi 20:29 moodaepo true true 20:28 chris i wouldnt expect it to work for 2 versions older 20:28 chris as you say, that is for jaunty 20:28 moodaepo this doc looks better than the INSTALL.ubuntu in git 20:27 moodaepo yup 20:27 chris dunno if it will help, looks like you have older versions of lots of stuff, older than koha wants anyway 20:26 moodaepo chris thnx 20:26 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?do=show&id=koha_3_install_guide_ubuntu_hardy 20:25 moodaepo ZOOM-Perl requires at least version 2.1.50 of YAZ, but you only have version 2.1.18. 20:24 moodaepo Makefile.PL: Warning: prerequisite Net::Z3950::ZOOM 1.16 not found. 20:24 moodaepo Makefile.PL: Warning: prerequisite JSON 2.07 not found. We have 1.14. 20:23 wizzyrea :) 20:23 wizzyrea always lots the first time 20:23 moodaepo grr replace previous issue with new ones 20:17 jdavidb Lenny came out...oh, right around New Year...etch is a couple of years out. Debian moves sloooooooow.. 20:17 moodaepo hah true true I haven't been following debian much...when did etch and lenny come out? jaunty is a couple of months old and hardy is about a year I think. 20:14 jdavidb I'm running lenny on some dev boxen, etch on production. I've seen no reason not to go to lenny when we move to new hardware in the next few weeks. 20:14 moodaepo jdavidb: on production? 20:14 moodaepo yea and there a whole bunch of cpan mods which weren't installed I am doing them from debian instructions I think that'll help me proceed 20:13 jdavidb I'm running some etch, some lenny--and both work maaahvelously. 20:13 moodaepo yup..of course in production no one runs sid now do they : ) so why write instructions for even sid-1 20:11 jdavidb That may be a contributing factor, moodaepo. 20:08 moodaepo of course the auth wrote it for Jaunty and I am using Hardy which is about 2 versions old and the long term support edition from ubuntu 20:07 moodaepo as in the debian instructions 20:07 moodaepo yea see I had done that from debian already 20:06 gmcharlt pretty obvious if the sudo apt-get install yaz idzebra-2.0 idzebra-2.0-doc fails 20:06 jdavidb Certainly worth checkin', but I seem to recall that m'self. 20:06 gmcharlt jdavidb, chris: yes, I believe that is the case 20:06 chris it might be that they are in the ubuntu repos already 20:04 jdavidb That's a pretty-major omission! 19:56 moodaepo hey that rhymes : ) anyways I did notice the ubuntu instructions are missing index data stuff 19:56 owen Should searching for a budget by date work? I'm looking at admin/aqbudget.pl 19:56 moodaepo wizzyrea good idea 19:54 wizzyrea (I always follow along to make sure I don't forget something) 19:54 wizzyrea I think the last time I did it on ubuntu I did it with the debian install instructions 19:53 jdavidb They're closely enough related, one would be tempted to think it'd be pretty much the same... :P 19:52 moodaepo I've got enough experience with Debian and I actually used the INSTALL.debian till I saw the ubuntu one on git 19:51 jdavidb I've not ever installed on Ubuntu; Debian is my home. As gmcharlt suggests, that's pretty new--could be bugs. 19:50 gmcharlt moodaepo: heh, that was contributed recently, so any issues you turn will be useful corrections to it 19:50 moodaepo jdavidb hmm I am following the INSTALL.ubuntu to the letter : ) 19:49 owen Okay, there's one strong yes :) 19:49 wizzyrea owen: Doo Eet 19:48 owen I'm thinking of filing a bug to track instances where a date input field doesn't conform to the system's specified date format 19:48 jdavidb moodaepo: Sounds like some kind of dependency problem, maybe, or else C4 got moved around, or hidden, or renamed, or something like that. Never seen that one. 19:47 moodaepo ping > Hello all koha make is failing with "Failed test 'use C4::XXX'" any idea what I am missing? 19:40 ebegin Hey! 19:40 jdavidb Hi, chris! 19:40 chris morning 19:20 moodaepo Hello all koha make is failing with "Failed test 'use C4::XXX'" any idea what I am missing? 18:42 ebegin Hi there. It seems that if I don't have a language cookie set, Koha defaults to english even if I only one language in use. Can someone confirm this? 17:30 atz the rules can still be differentiated per branch.... 17:29 atz it basically comes down to expecting the system to provide some kind of magic because they can't get enough political consensus to just define *NAMES* in common 17:28 atz wizzyrea: we have several clients with equally silly patron categories 17:00 wizzyrea on the bright side, I think I am starting to figure this out :P 17:00 wizzyrea there we go 16:59 gmcharlt sure 16:59 wizzyrea please 16:59 wizzyrea so ditch it and I'll resend 16:59 wizzyrea up* 16:59 wizzyrea gmcharlt: doh, i messed that one one 16:53 collum But the museum is great! 16:53 collum If I remember correctly a Big Mac meal in the Air and Space Museum is around $7. A Big Mac!!! 16:15 jdavidb Back later... 16:13 jdavidb On Tuesday, the girls went to all the monuments down by Lincoln...walked their little legs off! today, it's Air & Space, and American Indian museums. 16:11 jdavidb owen: Correct. the *museums* are free. But bring a sandwich, or a pocket full of money. 16:10 wizzyrea well crap, that doesn't work out does it ^.^ 16:10 owen True, but you got in free, right? 16:10 wizzyrea Your tax dollars at work? Oh wait. 16:10 jdavidb wizzyrea: Given the price of lunch at any of the National Mall museums, it's *worse* than a shopping center. It's easy to spend fifty bucks for two people to eat a good meal down there. 16:08 wizzyrea re: Nat. Mall as shopping center 16:08 wizzyrea slef: boy wouldn't THAT be poetic... 16:05 slef oic 16:05 slef "an open-area national park in downtown Washington" 16:05 slef sounds like it 16:05 slef is the National Mall a shopping centre? 15:38 jdavidb yep. They're at the National Mall, being tourists, today, or I'd send *them* to the grocery store. Knuckleheads. 15:37 wizzyrea they're like locusts! eat all your food then move on... 15:33 wizzyrea i don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing... 15:33 wizzyrea LOL 15:31 wizzyrea ...been there :( 15:31 wizzyrea "ZOMG it's not working!!?" 15:30 wizzyrea ouch. 15:30 owen Time taken to realize I was hacking on opac-detail.tmpl while XSLT was on: too long. 15:29 wizzyrea b/c you set circ rules on patron types (i'm a little fuzzy on this bit, so that may not be right) 15:28 wizzyrea circulation, i believe 15:28 wizzyrea yea. i think it was kind of a holdover from our last system 15:28 owen For statistical or circulation purposes? 15:28 owen Wild. 15:28 wizzyrea and so on... and so forth 15:28 wizzyrea atchison in-city child user 15:28 wizzyrea atchison county Adult user 15:28 wizzyrea so example: Atchison in-city Adult user 15:27 wizzyrea yes, it's nuts 15:27 owen Each branch has its own set of patron types? 15:26 wizzyrea (every branch has every patron type, it's very confusing. And it doesn't always match "home branch" either. *sigh*) 15:23 wizzyrea (I personally think that the way we're using our patron types is pretty dumb, in NExpress) 15:23 owen Agreed 15:23 wizzyrea and what patron type they get 15:22 wizzyrea regarding where patrons go to *get* their cards 15:22 wizzyrea well, in our system initial registration branch could be useful statistical information 15:22 owen (we also periodically ask ourselves why we keep them, but so far they're still around) 15:22 wizzyrea tell ya what, I'll split out the bit for tracking initial registration branch and fix the labels 15:21 owen We still keep signed registration cards, so we'd be able to track down where those are if we wanted to 15:21 owen I also agree that being able to track registration branch would be useful in the future 15:21 owen I agree as well 15:19 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I agree with your reasoning about changing the label 15:18 wizzyrea (I've got a bunch of label consistency patches swimming around in my head that need to be submitted) 15:17 wizzyrea i'm of a mind to just fix it but didn't know if there were other considerations 15:15 munin 04Bug 3359: normal, P5, ---, wizzyrea@gmail.com, NEW, Patron detail page should show "home library" instead of "registration branch" 15:15 wizzyrea does anybody have an opinion on http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3359 14:55 jdavidb I've got a patch in the back of my head to add a --silent option, so that it doesn't send the usual count of items found, etc, and then you don't have to redirect STDOUT to /dev/null, either. 14:52 jdavidb There is that, but I do want to keep eyes open for *real* problems. Preferably *before* my users spot 'em. 14:50 gmcharlt just redirect'em to /dev/null ;) 14:50 jdavidb (and several crons spamming my email box.) 14:49 jdavidb Awesome. It's little-bitty, but it's one of those little-bitty things that makes for large annoyances. 14:49 gmcharlt jdavidb: came through this time 14:48 jdavidb gmcharlt: Sent it...*looks* like it went thru okay this time. 14:46 rhcl < http://splnh.kohalibrary.com> Page doesn't display correctly in FF 3.0.11 or Konqueror on OpenSuse11.1 - "Log in to Your Account" not constrained to display box. 14:43 hdl_laptop One cannot be able to see the status of its patches. 14:42 jdavidb Rackumfrackum.....no wonder it hadn't made it into koha.org code! K. I'll resend it momentarily. I bet I know what happened to it. 14:42 hdl_laptop this "email" patch management is quite clumsy to me. 14:42 gmcharlt jdavidb: please resend now, see if it gets through this time 14:41 gmcharlt nor stuck in the mailman moderation queue 14:41 gmcharlt :( 14:41 gmcharlt jdavidb: nope, and not in the patches list archives archive 14:40 jdavidb gmcharlt: In the same vein, did you get my fines.pl patch a couple of days ago? I goofed and sent twice--once without the bug number, once with. 14:37 owen More likely that I lost my mind. I must have updated the bug without resending the patch 14:36 gmcharlt owen: not in the May list archives either, so it doesn't look like my MUA had lost its mind 14:35 owen Hm... Bummer. I'll rebase and resend. 14:35 gmcharlt owen: doesn't seem to have ever hit the patches list 14:34 owen Thanks munin :) 14:34 munin 04Bug 2713: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, Opac detail content overlaps when right column extends too far 14:34 owen http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2713 14:33 owen It was a reformat of opac-detail to better accomodate wide holdings tables 14:33 owen I sent a patch about a month ago that I wondered if you had had time to review 14:32 gmcharlt owen: sure 14:32 owen gmcharlt: Do you have time for another question? 14:25 gmcharlt http://splnh.kohalibrary.com/ 14:24 owen Is there an in-the-wild example I can look at? I'm curious what it looks like in action. 14:24 gmcharlt owen: Cab's library is one of them 14:23 owen Who's using Syndetics enhanced content? 13:53 owen Sounds like they're still in the testing stage, so we should get to see something before the decision is made 13:53 wizzyrea but yea, I don't know much of anything about it either 13:52 wizzyrea i'm just glad to get in on it before it's all done 13:52 owen Yeah, I'm so out of touch I don't know anything about it 13:52 wizzyrea Owen! I read back and see that we're moving to Template::Toolkit maybe? 13:13 owen Hi #koha 12:52 jwagner gmcharlt, I was afraid of that :-( Thanks much. We'll try tweaking the index for starters, then look into what else might help. 12:51 hdl_laptop ooops 12:51 gmcharlt jwagner: yes 12:51 hdl_laptop soul9: c'est toi qui prend 100% de descartes ? 12:50 jwagner When you say code change, you're talking about the import script itself? 12:50 jwagner Looking at the MARC for these two records, 035 seems to only have a subfield a, but we can tweak the index anyway -- sounds like it might help for others. 12:48 gmcharlt that would be one, in case there are any 035$z that may be confusing results 12:42 jwagner What kinds of changes might be helpful in the index? Specify subfield a? 12:41 jwagner 001 is entered as melm 001 Control-number 12:41 jwagner The 035 was already in the record.abs file, just uncommented it. Setting was melm 035 Local-number,Identifier-standard 12:40 jwagner (Looking at indexes to confirm settings) 12:38 gmcharlt index + some code changes 12:38 jwagner How do we make it do that? Indexing change? 12:37 gmcharlt it's probably not normalizing for all the variations of OCLC # prefixes 12:37 jwagner Why the differences? 12:37 jwagner One record where 035 tag has (OCoLC) in the front of the 035, one with (Sirsi) o -- doesn't find the (OCoLC) match, but does find the (Sirsi) o one. 12:37 jwagner Two records where 001 tag has ocm in front of the OCLC number -- one matched, one didn't. 12:37 jwagner OK, we'll give it a try. We're doing some testing, and don't understand the results. 035 is indexed. Comparing match points for two records that don't have ISBNs or ISSNs or LCCNs. Using a combined match rule of ISBN, ISSN, LCCN, OCLC (001/035), 999c 12:36 hdl_laptop jwagner: listening 12:36 hdl_laptop if i cannot then gmcharlt may be able to answer. 12:31 jwagner Morning, all. Anyone who might be able to answer some questions on import match points? 12:31 |Lupin| bye ! 12:31 |Lupin| thanks :) 12:31 hdl_laptop my pleasure 12:30 |Lupin| see you later, all 12:30 |Lupin| okay, really have to go, but thanks a lot hdl_laptop for your suggestions. Was very helpful to talk to you 12:29 |Lupin| I'd need a bit more information to really understand it and see whether it could be helpful or not, for us... 12:29 |Lupin| hmm 12:28 hdl_laptop You could wait for the new holdings support in 3.2 where ppl will be able to manage multiple levels of holdings. 12:28 |Lupin| Or ? 12:28 hdl_laptop Or..... 12:28 hdl_laptop And you could use 995$r for responsability and 995$u for url. 12:27 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: thanks 12:27 hdl_laptop (http://www.adbdp.asso.fr/Recommandation-995-donnees-d) 12:27 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: what's that ? 12:27 hdl_laptop But you would not follow recommandation 995. 12:26 hdl_laptop Or you could use customised items framework. 12:25 hdl_laptop you could do one biblio for the main work, and one for any new "item" where you would store the responsibility for it and link those to the main via 4XX link. 12:24 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: so what's your recommandation for that ? 12:23 hdl_laptop ok. 12:23 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: person that has uploaded the docuemtn, actually 12:23 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: person responsible for the document 12:22 hdl_laptop or person responsible for the document 12:22 gmcharlt |Lupin|: for URLs , that is :) 12:22 hdl_laptop Do you mean "site propriétaire du document" ? 12:22 |Lupin| gmcharlt: YRK ? 12:21 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: yep, but here it's not the same concept.. We really want to store an owner for each file, owner which will remain formever. 12:21 hdl_laptop (to talk with FRBR style) 12:21 gmcharlt |Lupin|: 856 is ubdeed fir YRKs 12:21 nahuel |Lupin|, you can put the "publisher" in "author" fields 12:21 hdl_laptop It could a kind of "manifestation" of the work. 12:20 hdl_laptop In fact, a holding is not only an item. 12:20 |Lupin| nahuel: too bad cause URL and file type seemed to go very well in 856. 12:20 hdl_laptop |Lupin|: what you are looking for is something that should be available in 3.2 : Better holdings support. 12:19 nahuel I think yes, perhaps hdl have more informations 12:18 |Lupin| nahuel: so maybe everything related to one file should go there (in 995) ? 12:17 nahuel 995 are the items in unimarc 12:17 nahuel anyway, you can customize your MARC framework 12:17 |Lupin| nahuel: so for each file, one would add two fields to the record: 856 for the file type and URL, and 995 for informaitons about the upload ? 12:17 nahuel |Lupin|, perhaps in "author" fields ? 12:16 |Lupin| nahuel: roughly speaking, each biblio record can have several files attached to it. I think we will use UNIMARC field 856 to store the file type and its location. But we also need to store who uploaded the file and when... 12:15 nahuel (for unimarc) 12:15 nahuel I think you can store them in the 995 field(items datas) 12:15 nahuel ah ok 12:14 |Lupin| nahuel: yes. oUr books are files, and in our old system he store, for each file, at which date it has ben uploaded and by which user. I'd like to store the same kind of information in Koha... 12:14 nahuel ? 12:14 nahuel there is no relation with bibliographic datas 12:14 nahuel why are you trying to store datas of users in MARC ? 12:14 |Lupin| (and at the same time I'm trying to understand koha, MARC, heir interaction...) 12:14 nahuel |Lupin|, about users ? 12:13 |Lupin| nahuel: I'm trying to figure out if I can store information about users in a MARC record and where 12:13 gmcharlt |Lupin|: 952 in MARC21, different atg in UNIMARC 12:13 nahuel |Lupin|, what's your question ? 12:11 |Lupin| gmcharlt: when you said 952, whas that unimarc, marc 21, or both ? 12:11 nahuel |Lupin|, nope 12:11 |Lupin| nahuel: ah ok, so this has nothing to do with the details about he different copies a library may have for one book 12:11 nahuel |Lupin|, "réservations" 12:10 |Lupin| nahuel: you know the translation for holding in french ? 12:10 |Lupin| ok 12:09 gmcharlt there is also a separate MARC format for holdings records 12:09 nahuel hi |Lupin| 12:09 nahuel gmcharlt, just sent 12:08 gmcharlt using a 9XX fields to convey copy-level information is a long-standing practice 12:08 gmcharlt the equivalent of the item rows are the 952 fields in the bib record 12:08 |Lupin| I think an equivalent question is: do the rows of the item table in Koha also have a marc equivalent ? 12:07 |Lupin| Does the format intend to provide copy-specific informaitons, or is it limited to bibliogrphic information ingeneral ? 12:07 |Lupin| I'd like to ask a very basic MARC question 12:00 gmcharlt ok 12:00 nahuel I rebase it now, and resubmit it in a couple of minutes