Time Nick Message 11:53 |Lupin| does koha keep track of the changes done to a bibliographic record ? 11:04 magnusenger chris: thanks for all your help so far. I gotta go, but i'll be back tomorrow... 09:14 chris good evening jo :) 08:53 chris id expect this query to take a few minutes 08:52 richard cyas 08:52 chris show processlist; 08:52 magnusenger (turned on OpacMaintenance now...) 08:52 magnusenger how can you tell the speed? 08:51 chris yeah its running ok, just slowly 08:51 chris (all queued up behind the truncate) 08:51 magnusenger ok 08:50 chris (those are what those selects are) 08:50 chris ohh someone is trying to use koha at the same time :) 08:49 magnusenger the transactions bit looks like this http://pastebin.com/m12d6da6d does that look ok? 08:49 magnusenger ;-) 08:48 chris but i have been wrong plenty of times before :-) 08:47 chris i suspect it will be significantly faster 08:47 chris for the next one 08:47 chris unlock table biblio; 08:47 chris truncate biblio; 08:47 chris lock table biblio; 08:47 chris i would try 08:47 chris if it does finish successfully 08:46 chris to get some idea how long it is going to take 08:46 chris you should be able to see how many rows the query has affected 08:45 chris cool 08:45 magnusenger show innodb status\G worked for me 08:45 chris pager less; 08:45 chris whoops 08:45 chris pager lessl 08:45 chris (before you run it, you might want to do) 08:44 chris the transactions section 08:44 chris the interesting bit to look at is 08:43 chris show innodb status 08:43 chris in another mysql console 08:41 chris you can do 08:41 chris it does take a while 08:41 magnusenger truncate biblioitems is still running. guess that's a bad sign? 08:39 chris any luck? 08:24 magnusenger ok 08:24 chris last one biblio 08:23 magnusenger chris: sorry that was 2x items. swap the first or last one for biblio? 08:22 magnusenger chris: ok! thanks! 08:21 chris then we can try lock table command before each truncate 08:21 chris if it still complains about the locks 08:20 chris try that 08:20 magnusenger chris: sorry, lost the thread a bit. should i do truncate items, truncate biblioitems, truncate items? 08:18 chris and you shouldnt run out of space doing the truncate, so it actually completes 08:17 paul_p of course... 08:17 magnusenger paul_p: should be 400K, but they have multiplied during my attempts... 08:17 chris that will stop it doing row level locking 08:17 chris unlock table biblioitems 08:17 chris truncate biblioitems 08:17 chris is lock table biblioitems 08:17 chris then what we do 08:17 paul_p wow, almost 1million biblioitems... 08:17 chris and if that doesnt work 08:16 paul_p -fk 08:16 magnusenger chris: biblioitems: 953703 08:16 paul_p so that's a path to try 08:16 chris its because INNODB does row level locking 08:16 chris about locking tables 08:16 magnusenger paul_p: not actively, no 08:16 chris due to that error 08:16 chris yeah the truncates failed 08:16 magnusenger chris: zebraque: 10, biblio: 953715, items: 0, biblioitems [still counting]. I ran bulkmarcimport.pl with -d so i would have expected biblio, items and biblioitems to be empty... 08:15 paul_p (parameter on command line) 08:15 paul_p magnusenger: did you set fk_off ? 08:15 chris $dbh->do("SET FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS = 0"); 08:14 chris yep, but we have turned FK off 08:14 paul_p then biblioitems => no more contraints 08:14 paul_p if you truncate items 1st => no constraints 08:14 paul_p if you truncate biblio 1st, then, FK constraint cascade to truncate biblioitems & items 08:14 paul_p that's what I says, not the same (look at the order i've suggested) 08:13 chris unless it has changed between 3.0.1 and 3.0.2 08:13 chris $dbh->do("truncate biblio"); $dbh->do("truncate biblioitems"); 08:13 chris thats what bulkmarcimport does 08:13 paul_p chris: if i'm not mistaken, not exactly. 08:13 paul_p that should work (& much quicker than DELETE) 08:13 chris thats what the script is trying to do paul 08:12 paul_p magnusenger: the quick & easy way : do a truncate items, then truncate biblioitems then truncate items 08:11 chris and then the same for biblio, items, and biblioitems 08:11 chris select count(*) from zebraqueue; 08:10 chris run 08:10 magnusenger yep! :-) 08:10 chris can you jump into mysql 08:10 chris yeah its the truncate ones that are having troubles 08:09 magnusenger (i tried importing 10 records to save some time) 08:09 magnusenger but it actually took about two hours 08:09 magnusenger and then it says "10 MARC records done in 0.839056968688965 seconds" 08:09 magnusenger I got the same error again, but this time on line 101 08:09 chris so heres what we can do 08:09 chris right so its all finished now ... ok 08:07 magnusenger I get this: http://pastebin.com/ma4027b4 08:03 magnusenger chris: will do 08:03 magnusenger also, at one point i thought the import was good, but then the rebuild_zebra reported about 900K records... 08:03 chris i suspect it is the truncate commands locking things up 08:03 chris can you do mysqladmin -uroot -p show processlist 08:01 chris ta 08:01 magnusenger chris: 3.00.01.005 08:01 chris what version of Koha is it magnusenger ? 08:00 chris lemme just look what line 100 07:59 magnusenger i was afraid someone would say that... ;-) 07:58 chris d 07:58 chris magnusenger: that doesnt sound goo 07:55 |Lupin| hi chris 07:55 |Lupin| hello all 07:51 chris back 07:38 magnusenger anfscd: I did a successfull import of about 400K records into Koha 3 w/Zebra. Then I had to re-import because of some errors in the first batch. Then I ran into some problems with dropped connections etc. Now bulkmarcimport.pl is taking forever "deleting biblios", and i'm getting this: "DBD::mysql::db do failed: The total number of locks exceeds the lock table size at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 100." i 07:21 chris hehe 07:21 magnusenger ...and rather obvious... the midnight sun kept me up all night, so my head is not fully working today, methinks... 07:14 magnusenger sounds good! 07:14 chris the way i was thinking was that you could use your library cardnumber, to request an email be sent to you, which contained a link with and md5 hash, that you could go to, to link your openid to your account 07:14 magnusenger how would they do that? 07:12 chris yep 07:12 magnusenger openid is a good thing, but then it would have to be tied to their user account somehow? 07:06 chris i think that would be pretty cool, certainly for universities 07:06 chris speaking of CAS, someone was talking about adding openid to the opac, allowing users to login using their openid, rather than a new username and password 07:03 chris nice blog today 07:02 chris http://www.tararobertson.ca/blog/2009/get-your-foss-on-wellington-library-geeks/ 06:59 chris to take a look at the kohanga reo, and kura kaupapa maori (total immerision maori schools) 06:59 magnusenger chris: i can imagine the sami and the maori have some things to talk about, yes 06:59 chris when i worked for the maori studies department, we had some sami people visit 06:58 magnusenger nicomo: almost, but i'm still more than 600km from the Nort Cape 06:57 chris Buorre idit 06:57 nicomo magnusenger: I thought further north from you people just fell off the earth 06:57 magnusenger re CAS: sounds nice! but here in norway we, of course, have go and invent our own way of doing these things... 06:57 chris i wonder how you say it in sami? 06:55 magnusenger hi Amit 06:55 Amit hi magnusenger 06:55 magnusenger Sortland is a tiny place even further north than me... 06:54 magnusenger Wow, including the correct form for Sortland is kind of hilarious 06:54 chris yeah, or the maori 06:54 nicomo chris: I wouldn't advice you follow this web site for the French at least 06:53 chris http://www.elite.net/~runner/jennifers/gmorning.htm#N 06:53 magnusenger Thanks for the enlightenment, nicomo! 06:53 chris i cheated nicomo 06:53 magnusenger nicomo: you should take note and pick up some things that might come in useful this fall... ;-) 06:52 magnusenger chris: depends on how formal and distinct you want to be... 06:52 nicomo wow chris i'm much impressed by your norwegian 06:51 magnusenger :-) 06:51 nicomo magnusenger see http://www.jasig.org/cas 06:51 chris :) 06:51 chris or maybe Go'mårra 06:51 magnusenger God morgen, chris! 06:51 chris or is it Godmorn 06:51 chris God morgen 06:51 nicomo magnusenger: CAS is an sso solution 06:50 magnusenger Mr. Poulain is writing about Koha and CAS on the mail list - I feel like I should know what CAS is, but I'm coming up blank... Anyone care to enlighten me? 06:49 magnusenger Good morning, all! 06:43 chris back 05:54 chris yeah clearish skies 05:53 richard feels like there'll be a frost tonight 05:49 chris duh, munin isnt in the channel 05:48 chris @wunder wellington, new zealand 05:43 chris heh 05:29 mason there we go ;) 05:29 richard :) 05:29 richard ack 05:29 richard :0 05:26 richard hiya chris 05:22 chris evening 03:16 Amit something adding MARC to text 03:12 brendan anything new with you? 03:12 brendan not at the moment 03:12 Amit any new from your side brendan 03:12 Amit yes 03:12 brendan I hope all is well 03:12 Amit hi richard, Jo 03:12 brendan heya amit 03:12 Amit good morning #koha 03:11 Amit hi brendan, chris, mason 00:01 pianohacker1 evening, all 23:32 chris heh 23:25 pianohacker Apparently only works if you've registered. Oh well 23:24 chris @later tell hdl_laptop and pushed them up to git 23:24 chris gah 23:24 chris @later tell and pushed them up to git 23:23 chris i wonder if you can queue up messages 23:19 chris @later tell hdl_laptop i have updated pootle with the french .po files 23:07 chris :-) 23:06 pianohacker Given the horrifying hacks I'm adding to the reports wizards to add some functionality, I'm not the one to say so 23:05 chris i take responsibility for any mess you find in guided reports though 23:05 chris hehe 23:05 chris ahh cant blame me for those 23:05 pianohacker Ahh, it's hdl 23:05 pianohacker Nope, the canned reports 23:05 chris or the wizards? 23:05 chris which reports code? the guided reports? 23:02 pianohacker Ahh, good idea 23:02 gmcharlt to dig further, check out the old Koha CVS repo on savannah 23:01 pianohacker Seems to point to paul and hdl, but I know the history was truncated by some pre-3.0 merges by jmf and paul 23:00 gmcharlt pianohacker: git blame help? 23:00 pianohacker Does anyone know who the original author of the reports/ code is? 22:12 chris ill add the files now hdl_laptop 22:11 chris but there are lots of other people who work in libraries that wouldnt 22:10 chris trained librarians would know 22:10 chris but lots 22:10 chris not most 22:02 SirStan or do most people know what they are 22:01 SirStan THanks hdl -- even that microsnippet would rock. 22:00 hdl_laptop good night 22:00 hdl_laptop It comes along with different cataloguing frameworks. 21:59 hdl_laptop Others are more used to MARC21 (US and many other countries). 21:59 hdl_laptop some ppl are used to UNIMARC way to input data (French and European) 21:58 hdl_laptop Sirstan : the difference is all about cataloguing habits 21:56 SirStan gmcharlt: some hint of what the difference is.. or atleast a one line description. 20:35 richard hi 20:31 gmcharlt SirStan: say what about it? 20:28 chris cool 20:28 hdl_laptop ok sending you both. 20:28 chris so ill do it commandline and add it 20:28 chris it is sllllooooowww on the web interface and locks pootle up 20:28 chris if staff, send me the file and ill merge on the commandline 20:28 hdl_laptop both 20:28 chris is it opac, or staff? 20:28 chris yep, what will have happened is git will have seen that the ones in pootle were different 20:28 hdl_laptop And merge on pootle 20:27 hdl_laptop So I will try and revert french po files. 20:27 hdl_laptop and yours have overwritten mine 20:26 hdl_laptop french update from me : 1b7c8f84e1faf87b44ab4e224913cbfa5ef15b2c Mon May 25 16:43:21 2009 20:26 chris yep, that will be from pootle 20:25 wizzyrea gmcharlt hehe I will check 20:25 hdl_laptop french update from Chris Cormack Fri May 29 711aacd7b8018b4592ee39a2407651c236572e07 20:19 chris very very rarely to i go git -> pootle 20:19 chris ie pootle -> git 20:19 chris it may be then that they were overwritten from pootle 20:18 hdl_laptop And they were ok at that time. 20:18 hdl_laptop chris: only two days before you updated french translation, i pushed a patch with french translations. 20:16 chris not the other way 20:16 chris generally though i go from pootle to git 20:15 chris should be be 20:15 hdl_laptop chris: is pootle site uptodate with po files from official branch ? 20:13 gmcharlt wizzyrea: it looks like cafepress does onesies, so you could shoot Tina Burger an email and have her add that as an option for the Koha ILS store 20:13 hdl_laptop chris: there have been updates on french translation after the release and it seems there was some translated strings which passed untranslated 20:11 owen I happily consider all three of my babies Koha babies. My first was born just before we first switched to Koha. 20:11 hdl_laptop mmm maybe kohaman from katipo could be coool in that purpose ;) 20:10 wizzyrea omg, so many koha babies :D 20:10 chris righto 20:10 hdl_laptop chris: I have a question about franch translation. 20:09 hdl_laptop owen: my baby has been quite noisy sleeper too. 20:09 wizzyrea mine used to snuffle quite loudly 20:09 hdl_laptop hi chris. 20:08 chris yeah lots of grunts 20:07 owen Very good. Noisy sleeper? Meaning he sleeps, but noisily? 20:06 chris and yours ? 20:06 chris doing good, noisy sleeper, but good 20:06 owen Hi chris, how's your new little bundle? 20:02 chris heya brendan 20:00 brendan :) 20:00 brendan morning chris 19:32 chris morning 19:26 |Lupin| bye all 19:03 |Lupin| hi SirStan 18:55 SirStan hi lupin 18:49 |Lupin| hi again everybody ! 16:22 gmcharlt slef: I'd suggest letting user set up a profile defining which tags they want removed 16:20 slef gmcharlt: I see. Suspect the default should be strip, shouldn't it? 16:17 gmcharlt slef: but it could be *their* local use - e.g., order information from MARC records sent by book vendor, information used by a local union catalog, bibliographic utility information, etc. 16:14 slef 9xxs are meant to be local use only, aren't they? So very few libraries will be relying on values in there 16:11 gmcharlt thus, a remove selected tags from import option would be a useful enhancement 16:11 gmcharlt slef: really depends on what the 9xx from the source are for; can't just unilaterally remove them 16:10 slef but a "remove from import" option may be a useful enhancement then? 16:10 slef when would a library want some/all of them? 16:09 gmcharlt course, one could add an option to remove such tags 16:09 gmcharlt well, it's not correct behavior to always drop 9xx tags - library may want some/all of them 16:09 slef and 098 16:09 slef everything except 942 really 16:06 gmcharlt slef: 9xx tags? any, or just the ones mapped to items? 16:06 slef is there a reason why koha doesn't blank the local use 9 fields from staged imports? 16:05 slef hi all 16:02 danny ok 16:02 brendan ok -- I gotta run I will be back in about 20 to 30 minutes 16:02 danny yep, it shows that in the trace route too 16:02 brendan something like 216.195.78.65 is what I'm getting 16:02 brendan does the name resolve to an IP ? 16:01 danny It isn't an address not found, but always get a Network Timeout after about a minute 16:00 danny no main page doesn't load either 16:00 brendan danny can you get to the main page ok -- just not the blog ? 15:59 danny http://pastebin.com/m72c6bf75 15:58 jdavidb Howdy, brendan. :) 15:58 brendan hey there jdavidb 15:56 brendan could you try a traceroute and see where it dies? 15:54 danny maybe a router between the two? 15:54 danny i've tried several computers, and none are able to load the pag 15:53 brendan yeah - i just tried another computer and it loaded up for me. 15:52 jdavidb works fine for me, too. 15:52 danny hadn't tried again until today and thought it was weird that it was still happening 15:52 brendan darn -- it loads up for me -- I will keep looking into this 15:52 danny i got this a couple of weeks ago when I tried to take a look at the site too 15:52 danny looks like the same thing, I get a Network timeout 15:51 brendan hey danny go ahead and try again. http://bywatersolutions.com/wordpress/ 15:50 brendan could be I will take a look. 15:50 danny hey brendan, I saw your tweets and wanted to take a look at those links to the bywatersolutions.com/wordpress page but it seems to not load for me, is it down at the moment? 15:49 brendan hey danny 15:48 danny brendan, are you around? 12:51 |Lupin| For one given book, you don't want to re-enter all the bibliographic information for each format, and you don't want to correct, say, a typo, in each format... 12:51 |Lupin| Recently I asked here how one should proceed to represent a e-book that is present in several formats, givne that each format could comprise several files. I was told that one record for each format would be good policy, but I'm wondering how the records would be linked to each other ? 12:47 |Lupin| hi Amit 12:47 |Lupin| oops 12:25 |Lupin| Hi |Lupin| 12:14 Amit hi Lupin 12:14 nicomo sorry I have network issues : coming in and out 12:14 nicomo hi (again) 12:14 Amit hi nicomo 12:08 |Lupin| hi ebegin 12:05 ebegin good morning!