Time  Nick          Message
11:59 Amit          hi No_Reply
11:59 No_Reply      hi Amit
11:57 Amit          hi jrs
11:57 jatillaso     hi
11:34 Amit          hi jwagner
10:29 chris         yep ill be going to bed soon
10:29 |Lupin|       ok guys, lunch time here, 'd night chris in case you go sleeping before I'm back
10:28 kf            :)
10:28 chris         that's not perls fault :)
10:28 nahuel        :)
10:27 nahuel        ahah, now, with perl, we are bugfixing every day
10:27 chris         9 years after we started :-)
10:27 chris         if it was java, we'd still be writing the spec
10:26 nahuel        héhé
10:26 |Lupin|       hi nahuel :)
10:25 nahuel        (hi)
10:24 nahuel        chris, java is cool :)
10:24 chris         we have all sorts in the community
10:24 chris         |Lupin|: nahuel is a big python fan
10:21 chris         course id only have myself to blame if it was hehe
10:21 chris         im just glad Koha isnt java :)
10:20 |Lupin|       chris: I understand that CPAN is likeable
10:20 chris         |Lupin|: im sure it will
10:20 No_Reply      CPAN is wonderful
10:20 |Lupin|       chris: but will 6 one day become widespread ?
10:20 chris         the thing that perl has that makes me love it is CPAN
10:19 |Lupin|       chris: never tried Ruby
10:19 chris         yeah 6 is a lot clearer |Lupin|
10:19 chris         it works, perl works :)
10:19 |Lupin|       chris: ok :) I tried to deepen my understanding of the language several times but I was never successfull. I can't develop a good intuition about how things work, never know e.g. if it's $ or % etc.
10:19 chris         i dont hate ruby, i dont love it either though
10:18 No_Reply      i've been spoiled by ruby, i'm afraid
10:17 chris         i like perl6 more, but i like 5.10 just fine
10:15 chris         then pass it as \%item;
10:15 No_Reply      ok
10:15 No_Reply      right
10:15 chris         $item{'itemcallnumber'} = '1234b';
10:15 chris         my %item;
10:15 chris         so
10:14 chris         thats a hashref
10:13 No_Reply      or just the name of a script that already uses it
10:13 No_Reply      maybe you can give me an example
10:13 No_Reply      looking at ModItem and not really sure what kind of input it wants for {column => $newvalue }
10:12 chris         yep
10:11 No_Reply      chris: still around?
09:40 |Lupin|       chris: okay, thanks
09:40 kf            and should go to title fields
09:39 chris         yep
09:39 kf            problem is the library specific information, that will be in holdings records
09:39 kf            items will be managed only in Koha
09:38 chris         but id still like to be able to do it in koha
09:38 kf            as title cataloging is done in union catalog
09:38 chris         (barcodes etc)
09:38 kf            in our case it will be nightly import
09:38 chris         keeping all the local use data
09:38 kf            ok, will keep this in mind for our next meeting
09:37 chris         yep, thats why i was doing it with my script
09:37 kf            and overwrite everything
09:37 kf            if a title is updated in union catalog, it will get in data import
09:37 chris         at the commandline, and run my script to merge it
09:36 chris         what i was doing was fetch the record from z3950
09:36 kf            we will have regular data import with updated titles from union catalog
09:36 chris         yep
09:36 kf            but you need an extra script to do it - and updating with z.39.50 will still delete the 900's
09:35 chris         but a nice merge utility in koha would be excellent
09:35 chris         is export the records, and combine it with the new one, keeping the 900's, then import it back in
09:35 chris         the way i have done that
09:35 chris         yep
09:34 kf            something like update record but keep local use fields would be nice
09:33 chris         somewhere in the local use fields too |Lupin|
09:33 kf            ok
09:33 chris         if you have -d
09:32 chris         kf: everythign is overwritten by import
09:32 |Lupin|       we'll also have to store whether a record refers to a book in the private or public domain... any idea where this could go ?
09:32 kf            are 900's overwritten by import?
09:32 chris         900's are local use
09:32 chris         in MARC21 anyway
09:31 |Lupin|       chris: ok :)
09:31 chris         999 something :)
09:31 chris         somewhere in the 900's
09:31 |Lupin|       So is there a place where these old record numbers could be stored ?
09:31 chris         nope
09:30 |Lupin|       chris: I see. So it's not the same thing...
09:30 chris         basically shelving location
09:30 chris         |Lupin|: call numbers are things like Dewey, or LCCN
09:29 chris         just works
09:29 chris         that way doesnt slow done the live one
09:29 chris         they run all their reports against the backup server
09:28 Elwell        any gotchas or just works?
09:28 chris         HLT has been doing that since 2000 Elwell
09:28 |Lupin|       When migrating a home-made poor man's catalog to koha, where should the old record numbers be stored ? Is this what is called call numbers, what you guys are talking about ?
09:28 chris         yep
09:28 Elwell        Q - has anyone here done stuff like MySQL replication onto backup server (for devel purposes)?
09:25 chris         cool that'll work
09:25 No_Reply      and a live backup server to test on
09:25 chris         and do this on another koha
09:25 No_Reply      i have good backups
09:25 No_Reply      that sounds about right
09:25 chris         of course i would take a copy of the db
09:25 chris         something like that anyway
09:25 chris         so get a list of itemnumbers, get the itemdata for each of them (GetItem) and then change itemcallnumber to be the value you get from 942k and then ModItem it
09:24 No_Reply      I'll look at both
09:24 chris         actually you could just use ModItem
09:23 No_Reply      sure, taking a look
09:23 chris         No_Reply: do perldoc C4/Items.pm
09:19 chris         for each one
09:19 chris         so get all the items that need to be changed, loop through them and call ModItemFromMarc
09:18 No_Reply      chris: this is new to me, tell me more
09:17 chris         No_Reply: it would be best to use the subroutines for editing marc records in koha, then the right fields will be filled out
09:16 Amit          k
09:16 chris         the problem is this is post migration Amit
09:16 Amit          but in dpl case circulation is not stated in koha-2.2.9 so migration is easy
09:16 Amit          i have already migrated koha-2.2.9 data to koha 3 for delhi public library
09:16 No_Reply      chris: i thought about writing a script to move swap everything, but i wasn't confident enough in my knowledge of Koha's database to assume I knew all the db entries to change
09:16 Amit          yes ur right chris
09:15 chris         you would need to script something to change, essentially you want to edit every item
09:15 chris         and no longer match their circ data
09:14 chris         which means we cant just export them, change them, and reload them, because they will get new itemnumbers
09:14 No_Reply      right, library has been live for years
09:14 chris         and you have circulation records for them right No_Reply ?
09:14 Amit          ok chris
09:14 Amit          k
09:13 No_Reply      i've got 8 or 9 thousand records that need to be moved over
09:13 No_Reply      yes, that's the problem exactly
09:13 chris         Amit: he has a whole lot of old records that he needs to change, so just changing the mapping wont change them
09:12 Amit          go to ur koha-->Administration-->Koha to MARC mapping
09:11 No_Reply      ok, what's the best way to change the MARC records?
09:11 Amit          No_Reply u should map your call no to 952$o
09:10 No_Reply      but koha doesn't like remapping to 942
09:10 Amit          but in 3.0.1 call number 952$o
09:10 No_Reply      i'd rather avoid doing that on a live database, though
09:10 No_Reply      someone yesterday suggested that we move them to 952$o or some such
09:09 |Lupin|       No_Reply: yes, heard about it. Can't remember why we decided not o use it actually. Prhaps it is missng MARC support ?
09:09 No_Reply      our call numbers are in marc 942k
09:09 Amit          hmmm
09:08 No_Reply      the problem is that in 'Normal' view for any given record, the call number is missing
09:08 No_Reply      i have a system I've moved up from 2.2.5 through 2.2.9 and is currently running 3.0.1
09:07 Amit          No_Reply
09:07 Amit          tell
09:07 Amit          yes
09:07 No_Reply      hi Amit: I'm having some trouble with koha-MARC mapping that people didn't have much help for yesterday, maybe you can help me out?
09:04 Amit          hi No_Reply
09:04 No_Reply      hey |Lupin|: did someone get a chance to tell you about Greenstone?
08:58 |Lupin|       hi No_Reply
08:54 No_Reply      hi all
08:34 |Lupin|       I'll first play with the interface under Windows so that I can use js, and then when I have a better idea about how things work I'll file the enhancement request
08:32 |Lupin|       okay
08:32 hdl_laptop1   or need
08:32 hdl_laptop1   file things you really want.
08:31 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop1: I think I may file one just for the Z39.50 thing at the moment.. what do you think ?
08:30 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop1: okay
08:30 hdl_laptop1   And try to make a kind of priority.
08:30 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop1: I'm more missing the ability to query Z39.50 servers directly from within Koha
08:30 hdl_laptop1   But please file an enhancement request.
08:30 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop1: and as I said, not being able to enter MARC records is not what I miss most.
08:29 hdl_laptop1   it is not (only) the number of lines of code. It is also the question of maintaining the code.
08:26 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop1: I understand. I thought it did not represent a lot of code, but I may very well be wrong on that.
08:24 hdl_laptop1   |Lupin|: this would require maintaining two different ways to manage cataloguing.
08:20 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop1: but the two are not incompatible... the old way could be kept as a fallback
08:18 hdl_laptop1   (this was the way it was done in 2.2, before ppl urgely requested for javascript)
08:17 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop1: or perhaps the editor could allow dupplication only of subfields, and have buttons to add other fields with the same tag ?
08:17 hdl_laptop1   So it has been a problem for american ppl.
08:16 hdl_laptop1   + | is used in MARC21 as empty character for fixed data.
08:16 hdl_laptop1   so you would require 2 special characters
08:16 hdl_laptop1   |Lupin|: this (using | as duplicate subfields) was done for 2.2. But you have subfields and fields duplication.
08:14 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop1: I think I can imagine several ways to make this possible even without javascript. For instance one could have a big form with all the marc fields and define a character that could be used as a separator for the repetable fields. I'm not saying this wold be convenient or comfortable. I'd just be there for those user who can't use the beautiful javascript thing and it would be etter than nothing, IMO
08:12 hdl_laptop1   + would require loading all the data back and forth.
08:11 hdl_laptop1   yes.
08:11 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop1: they don't want to query the server because this would make things slower, you mean ?
08:09 chris         that makes sense |Lupin|
08:09 chris         yep
08:09 |Lupin|       Not sure whether I'm clear or not...
08:08 |Lupin|       chris: it'd not only be easier, I think, but also, in a way, more precious. Because I think when I want to play at MARC level, I don't mind doing so in Perl. Whereas when I want to do a high level thing like adding a bibliographic record form our national library, then this lends itself more to be done in the web interface.
08:08 hdl_laptop1   The problem is that user likes to be able to add fields and subfields on the fly without querying the server (and this is done via js DOM manipulation.)
08:07 hdl_laptop1   and explain why.
08:07 |Lupin|       hdl_laptop1: okay
08:06 hdl_laptop1   |Lupin|: you could add some enhancement for use without js in bugzilla
08:06 |Lupin|       chris: okay, thanks a lot for this clarification
08:06 chris         yep that would be easier to do
08:06 |Lupin|       chris: I think koha can also query Z3950 servers for marc records, and that is not accessible either. Perhaps this part would be easier to make accessible, because there is no marc iditing involved... ?
08:04 chris         and utf8 encoded is the best bet
08:04 chris         yep, it will only accept valid marc records
08:04 |Lupin|       chris: concernintg bulkmarcimport, that's indeed what I'm currently sing, but I guess it must be used with some attention, first because I don't know how much data checks it performs on the validity of the MARC records, second because one probably has to double-check e.g. hich charset koha wants in the records and things like that
08:03 chris         but its worth keeping asking for it :)
08:02 chris         i don't think it is something that will get done in the near future, ever since marc support was added that has needed javascript (original koha without marc had no compulsory js)
08:02 |Lupin|       chris: yes, something like that
08:01 chris         and if you had repeatable fields it would have to be a few steps
08:00 chris         but it would be nice that if you didnt have js enabled, you just got one huge form to fill in
08:00 chris         to laod a marc record that you have created elsewhere
07:59 chris         in terms of that, you can use bulkmarcimport.pl
07:59 chris         *nod*
07:59 |Lupin|       chris: well even something like adding a bibliographic record can't be done with lynx at the moment
07:58 chris         ahh yes, but they might be the subject of a XSS attack
07:57 |Lupin|       chris: yes, that's also my point of view. But here e are talking about clients that are authenticated, so maybe that's why the developers were not too picky about server-side data validation
07:57 chris         by just asking for it, and documenting the places where it needs fixing is helping |Lupin|
07:57 davi          later
07:57 davi          chris, Good to know. I am overloaded since some month ago
07:56 chris         (by client i mean webbrowser, not the person using it)
07:56 |Lupin|       chris: I wish I had more time to contribute.
07:56 |Lupin|       chris: if one could achieve a web-based solution which would work even with lynx, that would be great I think
07:56 chris         because the client may be malicious
07:56 chris         you shouldnt depend on the client for data validation
07:56 |Lupin|       chris: I agree
07:55 chris         it should be done in both
07:55 chris         yeah, that should be fixed
07:55 |Lupin|       chris: really ? I thought it would be hard to implement functionalities without javascript, for instance because some data tests seem to be done in the javascript part and not in the perl scripts.
07:55 chris         im from the old school, i think things should work without javascript, and javascript used to make things work better, but not nessecary
07:54 chris         probably harder than fixing it to work without javascript :)
07:53 |Lupin|       yesterday i explored koha's client staff web interface... I think it is not usable with lynx, there are too many things that require javascript. I think it wold be hard to provide non-javascript alternatives, so I am wondering ho things cold be improved. I'm wondering, e.g., how difficult it would be to provide a command-line interface for some functionalities...
07:51 chris         sounds about right
07:50 |Lupin|       and we are UTC+2 now, I think
07:49 chris         davi: the king and queen of spain are visiting wellington this month :)
07:49 chris         at the moment nz is UTC + 12 .. in summer its UTC + 13
07:49 |Lupin|       yes
07:49 chris         and must be about 9.50am for you?
07:48 chris         its 7.50pm on tuesday
07:48 chris         (its not really, but its close enough, its usually the opposite time)
07:47 |Lupin|       okay
07:47 chris         pretty much 12 hours
07:46 |Lupin|       what's the time difference between France and New Zealand ?
07:45 |Lupin|       good evening chris
07:43 chris         hi |Lupin|
07:33 |Lupin|       Hello everybody
07:25 Kivutar       hi :)
07:22 kf            hi chris
07:17 chris         hi europe :)
07:04 Amit          hi kf
07:04 kf            hi hdl and Amit
07:00 hdl_laptop1   hi Amit
07:00 Amit          hi hdl
06:58 hdl_laptop1   hi kf
06:26 Elwell        richard: yup. that about sums the place up
06:26 chris         hehe
06:25 richard       the kilbirnie website doesn't inspire much confidence - http://www.kilbirnie.uk.net/
06:24 Elwell        ah K
06:17 richard       kilbirnie is a wellington suburb - close to the airport
06:16 Elwell        chris: I assume there's a kilbirnie in .nz, as the kilbirnie in scotland is um, err, to use the politically correct term, pile o sh*te
06:09 Amit          hmm tandoori roti
06:08 chris         Amit: it is the name of an indian restaurant (and takeaways)
06:08 Amit          tandoori means chris
06:01 richard       sure is :(
06:01 chris         its freezing out there :)
06:01 chris         lies
06:01 munin         richard: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
06:01 richard       @wunder wellington, new zealand
05:46 Amit          hi paul_p
05:34 brendan       goodnight #koha
05:06 Jo            right, off home. cya
05:04 Amit          yes
05:04 Jo            great to have more brains working on it
05:03 Jo            cool.... thats been my project
05:03 Amit          R &D is going on
05:03 Amit          we have installed kete
05:03 Jo            :)
05:03 Jo            and hadn't realised you support Kete as well as Koha.
05:02 Jo            havn't seen you online for a while,
05:02 Amit          heya Jo
05:01 Jo            hi AMit
04:33 richard       cya
04:32 chris         ok off to pick up kahu
03:49 chris         :)
03:45 brendan       thinking I won't check the first few innings
03:45 brendan       4:30 am here
03:43 munin         brendan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
03:43 brendan       @gcalc 12:30 gmt in pst
03:43 Amit          chris: WI  in semi
03:43 chris         http://www.cricinfo.com/wt202009/engine/current/match/356013.html
03:43 chris         12.30 gmt brendan
03:42 Amit          hi JO
03:42 chris         not for a while yet
03:42 brendan       I'd like to follow along
03:41 brendan       is the match being payed now ?
03:41 richard       :0
03:41 chris         heh
03:41 brendan       hey that's good news -- they couldn't find the bus
03:40 munin         brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
03:40 brendan       @wunder sri lanka bus
03:40 munin         richard: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising).
03:40 richard       @wunder wellington, new zealand
03:40 brendan       flat tires in the forecast
03:39 Amit          he he richard
03:39 richard       they = their
03:39 richard       if sri lanka miss they bus, nz will make the final :)
03:38 chris         brendan: nope
03:38 chris         brr
03:38 chris         Feels like -3C - 7 layers of clothing are recommended to remain comfortable in these conditions
03:38 brendan       NZ have any chance in the fifa tournament?
03:38 chris         yeah
03:36 richard       enjoying a refreshing breeze coming off antarctica
03:35 richard       yep
03:34 Amit          richard: r u interested in cricket matches
03:34 brendan       or golden century or something
03:34 richard       hi amit
03:34 Amit          hi richard
03:33 brendan       introduce sudden death
03:33 brendan       :)
03:33 chris         yeah :)
03:33 richard       i doubt the tournament would ever finish if they had playoffs :)
03:32 brendan       they should have a playoff
03:32 chris         we go ahead with superior run rate
03:32 chris         so if we have 2 wins and someone else has 2 wins
03:32 chris         plus wins
03:32 brendan       so you get ahead by your stats
03:32 chris         there are 8 teams going for 4 spots in the semi finals started off with 16
03:32 Amit          Chris: I think South Africa Win T20 world cup this time
03:32 brendan       kind of understand - but not really
03:31 chris         like amit said, run rate is important
03:31 brendan       why a big margin -- isn't a win a win ?
03:31 Amit          chris: Runrate is important
03:31 Amit          yes
03:31 Amit          this is good
03:31 chris         brendan: the hard thing is, even if we beat them, we have to beat them by a big big margin
03:30 brendan       we should plan it
03:30 Amit          sure
03:30 brendan       amit kohacon in india 2011 ?
03:30 brendan       hehe
03:30 Amit          chris: i m right
03:30 Amit          Srilanka is strong as compare to NZ
03:29 brendan       well let's root for NZ today
03:29 Amit          hmm
03:29 chris         nz will probably go out today
03:29 brendan       do you watch any of it ?
03:29 brendan       bummer
03:29 Amit          my indian team out of T20 world cup
03:29 brendan       but that is part of being a fan of that team
03:28 brendan       my baseball team -- that I root for -- sucks
03:27 brendan       not really
03:27 Amit          brendan: any new from your side
03:27 Amit          thanks
03:27 brendan       wish you the best
03:26 brendan       well good luck
03:26 Amit          hope
03:26 Amit          planning only
03:26 Amit          Indian Institute of Science
03:25 brendan       which university?
03:25 brendan       cool
03:25 Amit          i m planning for MLIS course
03:25 Amit          no
03:25 brendan       amit -- anything new ?
03:24 brendan       hehe
03:24 Amit          but in day delhi is very hot
03:24 munin         Amit: I suck
03:24 Amit          munin this is a morning temp
03:24 brendan       not too hot yet Amit
03:23 munin         brendan: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 27.0°C (8:30 AM IST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
03:23 brendan       @wunder new delhi, india
03:23 Amit          hi munin
03:23 munin         brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
03:23 Amit          chris: So NZ T20 match today
03:23 brendan       @wunder delhi, india
03:23 munin         brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
03:23 brendan       @wunder bangalore india
03:23 brendan       heya Amit
03:23 chris         hi Amit
03:23 Amit          good morning #koha
03:22 Amit          hi brendan,chris, mason
03:15 brendan       mine too...  basically everything except the users home folders are root ... on mine
03:14 chris         all the scripts in init.d are owned by root (on my machines anyway)
03:14 brendan       right -- I just scrambled to my other server and saw that it has root for permissions -- guess I should research first (follow my librarian back-ground) instead
03:12 chris         root is fine, it will run as the user specified in that script
03:11 brendan       the permissions in init.d for koha-zebra-daemon should be the zebrauser correct and not root ?
00:37 Jo            hey chris
00:37 chris         sup jo?
00:32 Jo            and i shall continue the final edit of our code4lib paper - being published on the 22nd
00:31 brendan       cool -- back to doing the dishes ;)
00:31 Jo            might be able to arrange something  :)
00:31 brendan       when that's up -- would love to sneak peek!
00:30 brendan       oh cool
00:30 Jo            I might email him - it was just an off chance
00:29 Jo            I figured ..
00:29 Jo            hey our new style / theme you saw for the OPAC will be applied to opur intranet too, and also our internal Kete
00:29 brendan       chris has been in and out
00:29 Jo            lo sorry - Brendan
00:29 Jo            hey Bren dan
00:29 brendan       heya jo
00:27 Jo            Chris : are you about per chance
00:27 Jo            morning all
23:52 pianohacker   'night, all
23:52 brendan       ok heading home -- be back in a bit
23:33 chris         hehe
23:31 brendan       sounds like an exciting new development for the game
23:30 brendan       chris here's to spaceball
23:30 chris         heh
23:30 brendan       when will these clouds go away -- this is supposed to be sunny cali -- but nothing but clouds for like three weeks
23:30 munin         brendan: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 20.0°C (4:29 PM PDT on June 15, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling).
23:29 brendan       @wunder santa barbara, CA
23:08 chris         night jwagner
23:07 jwagner       Good night all...
23:03 chris         :)
23:00 jwagner       chris, just saw your link & the picture.  Baseball wins another convert!
22:39 chris         debra_denault++
22:39 chris         ryan++
22:39 chris         ohhh kick ass
22:37 chris         (plasma)
22:37 chris         we went into the shop with the plan to get a 32inch .. but there was this 50inch for less!!!!
22:36 chris         on, no speakers either, but thats easy fix too ... sound all goes into a stereo
22:35 chris         and plugged the cable box into that, and the dvd into another and done
22:35 chris         so just got some composite to scart converters
22:35 chris         4 SCART and one VGA
22:34 chris         SCART
22:34 pianohacker   Does it have composite/component/etc. inputs, or just VGA/DVI? Nice deal
22:34 chris         which is why we got it absurdly cheap, because no one could figure it out
22:34 chris         ie it came without a tuner
22:34 chris         yeah, its actually a montior
22:34 chris         heh
22:31 pianohacker   Apparently I'm not a father; first thing I noticed about that photo was the wide-screen TV
22:29 schuster      Well that's it for me my brain is fried!  time to head out!
22:28 chris         could well be :)
22:27 schuster      He probably wants the hood because you probably had one on out in the cold/rain!
22:27 schuster      HA!  Kinda like my 4 year old that keeps saying he needs a chin guard to play Soccer(shin...)
22:26 chris         http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2009/06/15/this-one-is-for-brendan-owen-joe-and-jane/
22:26 schuster      I've been gone for several days so I missed it!
22:25 chris         did you see my "spaceball" photo schuster ?
22:25 schuster      sorry couldn't resist working 10 hour days to have 3 day weekends - makes us giddy at the end of the day.
22:25 chris         :)
22:25 schuster      front
22:11 chris         back
22:01 pianohacker   Ahh, okay
22:01 schuster      I'm not overly interested in that as it can be done currently - we don't batch print usually we are doing on at a time and each person then can add them as needed.
21:56 pianohacker   schuster: Do you think it would work to add spine labels to a batch that could be printed out at a later date?
21:36 pianohacker   Ah well, I can wait
21:35 ryan          lol
21:21 joetho        I have downloaded some stuff to install on my laptop but haven't done anything with it yet. Too busy.
21:21 joetho        But it is the one people make computers do stuff with.
21:20 joetho        just a book
21:20 joetho        well so far it hasn't told me.
21:20 joetho        hi jessie
21:15 pianohacker   Which perl?
21:14 wizzyrea      joetho: ORLY?
21:13 joetho        <--working on perl
21:00 richard       sorry, was on a coffee run
20:59 hdl_laptop    hi richard
20:59 wizzyrea      nice!
20:59 wizzyrea      ooh, no
20:59 chris         and the 28th committer to Koha
20:57 chris         have ppl met richard before, richard is a katipod :)
20:56 wizzyrea      heya richard
20:56 pianohacker   hello
20:53 richard       hi
20:13 chris         is my fave one still :)
20:13 chris         http://www.beigebrigade.co.nz/gallery/album02/everest
20:12 chris         http://www.beigebrigade.co.nz/gallery/album02/P1260305
20:04 chris         http://www.beigebrigade.co.nz/gallery/album16/Russ_distracted
20:03 nicomo_laptop :-)
20:03 nicomo_laptop I've a lot of commercial work to do in the South Pacific
20:03 nicomo_laptop that's a cheap shot paul_p
20:03 chris         (russel and I do the website)
20:03 paul_p        nicomo_laptop: except at KohaCon we need techies, so you'll have to learn Perl 1st :D
20:02 chris         http://beigebrigade.co.nz/
20:01 chris         well that would work better, summer is a nicer time to visit anyway :)
20:01 nicomo_laptop I'd love to have an opportunity to learn the rules
20:01 nicomo_laptop chris: for KohaCon, pls make it Cricket if at all possible
20:00 chris         and everyone loves the underdog
20:00 chris         yep :)
20:00 pianohacker   Enemy of my enemy?
20:00 chris         it was strange hearing 45,000 nzers chanting "USA, USA"
19:59 cait          ok, going to bed now - I hope I will dream about Koha konfiguration again :)
19:59 chris         i remember in 2005, the US rugby team beat England (in rugby 7's) in wellington
19:58 cait          g
19:56 chris         they scored a try against australia this weekend, first try in quite a few games :) (italy that is)
19:55 paul_p        10 years ago the italian team was unknown anywhere in Italy. Now they play the 6 nation tournament. They usually score 5 losses for 0 win, but sometimes 1 or even 2 wins. Maybe in a few years, we will have a 7 nations tournament ;-)
19:55 chris         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_national_rugby_union_team
19:55 cait          hm :)
19:54 cait          says wikipedia
19:54 chris         *nod*
19:54 cait          With the exception of a number of players who play in France, the German team is still largely an amateur side.
19:54 chris         hehe except the people in it
19:54 cait          and nobody knows they exist g
19:54 chris         cait: so you have a rugby team they just arent very good :-)
19:53 cait          night paul
19:51 chris         cya paul_p sleep well
19:51 chris         http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_new_zealanders_play_rugby_union_How_many_registered_players_of_rugby_union_in_new_zealand
19:51 cait          chris: uh
19:51 paul_p        bye everybody & have a good day or evening, or night, depending on where you are ;-)
19:51 pianohacker   'night
19:50 paul_p        so going to bed.
19:50 paul_p        very tired & 10PM here in montauban (training the public library that will go live next week)
19:50 chris         cait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_national_rugby_union_team
19:49 nicomo_laptop but granted : cricket seems exotic in the US, I guess
19:49 nicomo_laptop a dutch guy married to a british girl, trying to play cricket in NYC with guys from Pakistan and India and the West Indy
19:48 nicomo_laptop wizzyrea: there's a novel about a guy trying to set up a cricket stadium in NYC
19:47 cait          dont even know which ball it is played with
19:47 nicomo_laptop chris : so british
19:47 paul_p        40 clubs & 800 players in france.
19:47 cait          no rugby or cricket in germany
19:47 wizzyrea      especially in lawrence
19:47 chris         those are the religions in nz :)
19:47 wizzyrea      all we know is basketball >.>
19:47 chris         wizzyrea: rugby in winter, cricket in summer
19:47 wizzyrea      ah, nobody plays either here for the most part ^.^
19:46 wizzyrea      you lost us poor kansans for a minute there
19:46 paul_p        noone plays cricket in france. really.
19:46 wizzyrea      AHHH
19:46 paul_p        wizzyrea: nope.
19:46 chris         wizzyrea: rugby
19:46 chris         was 17-11 at halftime
19:46 wizzyrea      is this cricket?
19:46 chris         but in the first half, at 35 mins it was 17-3 to france
19:45 chris         intercept pass, caused a try, which lost the match
19:45 chris         all blacks very rusty
19:45 chris         frenchies good
19:45 paul_p        strangely, the newspaper here did not speak of this victory that much.
19:44 paul_p        was the match nice ? were all blacks poor or frenchies really good ?
19:44 chris         hi there paul_p :)
19:44 chris         he mixes and matches depending on who is talking to him
19:43 chris         and my parents do also, and laurel does for the words/phrases she knows .. there is so much english around him he picks all that up easy too
19:43 paul_p        hello chris.
19:42 chris         i try to talk to Kahu in maori
19:42 chris         yep
19:36 rhcl          So chris, do you commonly use Maori words/phrases in New Zealand, or within your family?
19:33 chris         right, some apple, some cereal and some peanut butter on toast, he's happy
19:21 chris         bbiab
19:21 chris         breakfast
19:21 chris         which is kahu's way of asking for \
19:21 chris         ok im being told "my puku (stomach in maori) is saying 'hungry'"
19:17 chris         so landlords in the true sense of the word
19:16 chris         ahhh :)
19:14 Sharon        Rent a spot, then fight with them about the sewer and tree limbs
19:12 chris         sweet :)
19:10 Sharon        So far, so good. Only half done, but it looks awesome.  I'll have the nicest trailer in the park ;-)
19:09 chris         hows the new siding working out for ya Lybrarian ?
19:01 rhcl          Hi Chris
18:59 cait          good morning chris
18:57 gmcharlt      hi chris
18:57 pianohacker   Good morning
18:57 chris         morning
17:04 No_Reply      if it helps, this is a recent upgrade from version 2.25-2.29 to 3.01
17:01 No_Reply      which i take to mean that the data is good, in some sense of the term but that koha can't find it due to some kind of mapping issue
17:00 No_Reply      but not under the 'normal' view on the OPAC or Librarian Interface
17:00 No_Reply      it shows up under marc
17:00 No_Reply      on 3.0.1 yes
17:00 schuster      Oh then that doesn't work - so the call number doesn't show for anything?  You are on version 3 right?
16:41 No_Reply      you've lost me, i'm not sure what i want to strip--this is a live database for a working library
16:37 schuster      If you have already loaded the bib and items - maybe it would be worth to strip those and reload after you "massaged" the data to load?
16:37 schuster      If you can't get to the 952$o you can use MarcEdit to move and copy that information into a 952$o
16:37 No_Reply      what might be the best way to move the current records?
16:36 No_Reply      schuster, sure thing
16:36 schuster      If you plan to get records from vendors in the future I would recommend you use 952$o for the item call number.
16:35 No_Reply      .Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/.../C4/Biblio.pm line 2811.
16:34 No_Reply      err, strike that, errors thrown all over the place when i run batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl
16:34 wizzyrea      too bad Marc or Michele aren't around
16:33 atz           we could use somebody who does more dataloading on this question
16:32 atz           patch sent
16:32 No_Reply      hmmm, i'm unsure if this is actually a mapping problem... remapping itemcallnumber from blank to 942k doesn't help at all
16:25 No_Reply      this is what i have a functional backup for, i suppose
16:24 atz           best I can say is "results undetermined"
16:23 No_Reply      is that a real no-no, or just bad form?
16:23 No_Reply      as a hypothetical, if i remapped items.itemcallnumber to 942k and ran that script despite the warnings that the MARC Framework Test throws at me, what would be the likely result?
16:19 atz           i'll update the old references now
16:18 atz           the script appears to be the right one though
16:17 No_Reply      yes
16:17 atz           the new name is better... but it would be nice if the docs internal and external were updated at the same time as the rename
16:16 No_Reply      that's what i figured
16:16 atz           No_Reply: yes, the internal docs for that script refer to it as "rebuildnonmarc"
16:15 No_Reply      has it perhaps been replaced by batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl?
16:15 atz           checking
16:15 No_Reply      but that doesn't exist in my installation
16:14 No_Reply      my librarian interface warns me i should run rebuildnonmarc.pl
16:14 No_Reply      atz: suppose i were to change my Koha to Marc mappings.  What script would I need to run?
16:12 No_Reply      there isn't any place for a call number under 952 as it exists on our system
16:12 atz           that is the mapping that makes sense to me, since the same biblio record will apply to items in different libraries or in different collections of the same library.
16:11 atz           right
16:11 No_Reply      whereas 952 is ITEM INFORMATION
16:11 atz           i know the itemcallnumber is held at the item level in koha 3.x ...
16:10 No_Reply      it is labeled 'biblioitem information' in the framework
16:10 No_Reply      942 might be something left over from our koha 2.2 database
16:08 atz           need somebody w/ more cataloging chops than me
16:08 No_Reply      i'd much rather re-map the framework than move all the call numbers to a different MARC field--though i don't know whether in theory they should be in 952 rather than 942
16:07 No_Reply      and in 942k
16:06 No_Reply      the marc record has call numbers in 050
16:06 atz           if that makes sense...
16:06 atz           i don't know.  for the default default framework, i think so.
16:06 No_Reply      the problem is that I don't get call numbers under 'normal' view on a search
16:05 No_Reply      do i need to move all the itemcallnumbers to a 952 field?
16:05 atz           or am i misunderstanding the problem?
16:04 atz           or rather, the adjusted-to-be-what-koha-expects records
16:03 No_Reply      atz: the marc records are correct
16:03 atz           No_Reply: you could just re-import and overlay the corrected records
16:02 No_Reply      i'm sure it's something silly, but can't seem to figure out how it is supposed to work
16:02 No_Reply      do either of you have any ideas about how i can fix my call number issue
16:00 No_Reply      hadn't heard of that
16:00 No_Reply      greenstone looks like a good pick for him, at a glance
15:59 wizzyrea      yea, or that
15:59 atz           yeah, either that or something like 658$u for the URLs?
15:59 wizzyrea      oh well
15:58 wizzyrea      instead of koha for managing digital collections
15:58 wizzyrea      oh, I was going to suggest that he look at something like greenstone
15:58 atz           |Lupin|:  damn... he lleft
15:58 |Lupin|       bye all
15:48 |Lupin|       No_Reply: np
15:44 No_Reply      I don't really have much advice for you there--I haven't had to use electronic resources with koha at all
15:44 |Lupin|       No_Reply: yes it is interesting, I agree. It's just that I feel not very well armed to solve the problem
15:43 |Lupin|       No_Reply: my task is to do that and to see which tools provided by Koha can be used to handle our particular problems (we have files rather than material books, etc.).
15:42 |Lupin|       No_Reply: all the library has ben home-made, a few years ago. Now the organization wants to rewrite it around Koha.
15:42 No_Reply      quite interesting
15:42 |Lupin|       No_Reply: we have a digital library here, which provides digital books to blind persons who can download them and read them in a secured way
15:41 |Lupin|       No_Reply: it is somewhat specific
15:40 No_Reply      what kind of environment are you looking at using it in?
15:40 No_Reply      right
15:39 |Lupin|       No_Reply: well... the reference manual it's a per-module description of koha. I think I'd prefer (need) a higher level description introducing all the concepts and explaining a bit he impact of the choices one does
15:35 No_Reply      thanks |Lupin|, how's the documentation reading coming?
15:34 |Lupin|       No_Reply: I don't know, sorry
15:30 No_Reply      does anyone have any insight on this call number issue? or is no one about?
15:05 |Lupin|       No_Reply: perhaps the first visit was too shallow... I'll retry
15:04 No_Reply      if you haven't already looked at that
15:04 No_Reply      you might try http://koha.org/documentation
15:04 |Lupin|       I'm thinking about concepts such as item types, branches, and all these things that are rather mysterious to the newbie I am
15:03 |Lupin|       I'm looking for a document that would give an overview of the key concepts one needs to nderstand to have a good idea about what koha can do and where to look for a given feature. Does such a docuemnt exist ?
15:02 No_Reply      or better yet, the MARC framework tests don't like me mapping itemcallnumber to the anything other than 952, though the call numbers are in 942k
14:58 No_Reply      i've remapped them but need to figure out what script to use to rebuild under 3.0.1
14:58 No_Reply      my Item Callnumbers weren't correctly mapped when the database was built
14:57 No_Reply      i'm having a bit of trouble with koha-marc mapping...
14:48 wizzyrea      hello
13:13 |Lupin|       oh actually there are a lot of parameters to specify to establish the Z3950 connection..
13:12 |Lupin|       Does anybody know what to do with this one ?
13:12 |Lupin|       z3950.bnf.fr:2211 error: Init rejected (ZOOM:10005)
13:01 gmcharlt      you're welcome
12:58 |Lupin|       thanks a lot Galen ! I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have succedded by myself
12:58 gmcharlt      cool
12:57 |Lupin|       it's there
12:57 |Lupin|       yes
12:55 |Lupin|       let's see
12:54 gmcharlt      ok, then the record you loaded should already be indexed
12:54 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: actually I think koha is configured here to not use zebra...
12:53 |Lupin|       ow... actually I have ran this program twice, and the first time it complained about uninitialized values, so I ran it again with a redirection to a log file, and it was not the same result...
12:53 gmcharlt      to index
12:53 gmcharlt      time to run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -z
12:52 gmcharlt      cool
12:52 |Lupin|       1 MARC records done in 0.0420000553131104 seconds
12:52 |Lupin|       .
12:51 |Lupin|       /usr/local/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -c UNIMARC -file marc.dat
12:51 |Lupin|       okay ! many many thanks for your patient assistance gmcharlt
12:50 gmcharlt      at any rate, you should be set to try the bulkmarcimport.pl run again
12:50 |Lupin|       sorry gmcharlt? I was really dumb...
12:50 gmcharlt      whew!
12:50 |Lupin|       |     6707 |
12:50 |Lupin|       oops I'm not showing the right thing !
12:50 |Lupin|       select count(*) from marc_subfield_structure: 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
12:49 |Lupin|       992 rows in set (0.00 sec)
12:49 |Lupin|       mysql> select * from marc_tag_structure;
12:49 gmcharlt      select count(*) from marc_subfield_structure
12:48 gmcharlt      double-check by doing
12:48 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: done
12:48 gmcharlt      |Lupin|:  Obligatoire/framework_DEFAULT.sql
12:47 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: okay, I didn't see your last line so I was looking for the right script to load, I'm almost done
12:43 gmcharlt      load Obligatoire/framework_DEFAULT.sql
12:42 |Lupin|       Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
12:42 gmcharlt      then load the following scripts forom the installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/marcflavour/unimarc_lecture_pub
12:42 |Lupin|       just out of curiosity: how should one do with the web interface ? (this part may be accessible...)
12:42 gmcharlt      delete from marc_tag_structure
12:42 gmcharlt      delete from biblio_framework;
12:42 gmcharlt      first, do
12:41 |Lupin|       Bgreat
12:41 gmcharlt      ok, there are some SQL scripts you can run to load the default frameworks
12:41 |Lupin|       it's french...
12:41 |Lupin|       at least that's what I intend to do...
12:41 |Lupin|       I think I'm using unimarc !
12:40 gmcharlt      English or French?
12:40 gmcharlt      you're using UNIMARC?
12:40 |Lupin|       1 row in set (0.00 sec)
12:40 |Lupin|       I guess I did something the wrong way...
12:40 gmcharlt      select count(*) from marc_tag_structure;
12:40 |Lupin|       ahah...
12:39 gmcharlt      ok, that explains it
12:39 |Lupin|       (I took your last query and removed the where clause)
12:39 |Lupin|       0
12:39 gmcharlt      hmm - how many rows are theie in marc_subfield_structure total?
12:38 |Lupin|       Empty set (0.00 sec)
12:37 gmcharlt      ok, select tagsubfield, kohafield from marc_subfield_structure where tagfield = '001';
12:36 |Lupin|       1 row in set (0.00 sec)
12:36 gmcharlt      select count(*) from marc_subfield_structure where tagfield = '001';
12:36 |Lupin|       1 row in set (0.00 sec)
12:36 gmcharlt      and for that matter
12:36 gmcharlt      yes
12:36 |Lupin|       I guess something went wrong, it should have changed one row, right ?
12:35 gmcharlt      select count(*) from marc_tag_structure where tagfield = '001';
12:35 gmcharlt      hmm
12:35 |Lupin|       Rows matched: 0  Changed: 0  Warnings: 0
12:35 |Lupin|       Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
12:35 mason         gmcharlt, ta - ill do some testing with it.
12:32 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: okay, thanks ! let me try this and see whether I can then see the mapping...
12:31 gmcharlt      update marc_subfield_stricture set kohafield = 'biblio.biblionumber' where tagfield = '001' and tagsubfield = '@';
12:30 gmcharlt      yes
12:30 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: I fear I won't be able to do it easily through the web interface, because at the moment I don't have a javascript-enabled browser available. Is it feasible through an SQL query ?
12:30 gmcharlt      mason: basically as frequently as the library wants to pull items from the shelf to fill hold requests
12:29 gmcharlt      and check biblioitems.biblioitemnumber, and if it's not mapped, set to 090 subfield $a
12:29 gmcharlt      |Lupin|: ok, then set biblionumber to tag 001 (subfield $@)
12:29 mason         heya lupin
12:29 |Lupin|       hi mason, sorry for the late reply
12:28 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: There is a link associated to it, and if I follow this link, I can choose a MARC tag and subfield, but I'd say it is not associated to anything so far
12:27 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: in the table I think biblionumber is associated to nothing
12:27 mason         (or anyone else that has an answer too :) )
12:27 mason         every minute / or every hour?
12:26 mason         how often does the ./build_holds_queue.pl cron usually run
12:26 mason         galen , a quick Q...
12:25 |Lupin|       hmm not obvious to day...
12:24 mason         `hi galen , lupin
12:23 gmcharlt      what tag and subfield is biblionumber mapped to?
12:23 |Lupin|       I have that, I think
12:23 |Lupin|       Yes
12:22 gmcharlt      it should give you a list of which Koha fields are mapped to which MARC fields
12:22 |Lupin|       okay
12:22 gmcharlt      now go to admin/koha2marclinks.pl
12:21 gmcharlt      ok, just confirm that a default framework existed
12:20 |Lupin|       the link is /cgi-bin/koha/admin/marctagstructure.pl?frameworkcode=
12:20 |Lupin|       actually there is a link associated to this default thing, but when I follow it I come toa page which is, I think, with javascript
12:18 |Lupin|       does that make sens ?
12:18 |Lupin|       I think the default one is Structure Marc
12:17 gmcharlt      yes
12:17 |Lupin|       koha/admin/biblio_framework.pl script I assume
12:16 gmcharlt      |Lupin|: in this case, the link is 'MARC Bibliographic framework' from the admin home page
12:15 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: just FYI, I'm using lynx to connect to koha's admin site, so even thinks like framework are not necessarily very evocative to me...
12:14 |Lupin|       let me see...
12:14 gmcharlt      |Lupin|: ok - do you have any MARC frameworks defined?  (look in the MARC biblio framework page off of the Administration page)
12:09 |Lupin|       gmcharlt: I'm sorry but I did not understand your explanations... can you please explain tome with more details ? I'm really a newbie to koha...
12:05 gmcharlt      |Lupin|: check your MARC frameworks - it looks like the default framework doesn't have biblio.biblionumber mapped to any subfield
12:01 |Lupin|       Did I perhaps forget something ?
12:00 |Lupin|       Use of uninitialized value $biblio_subfield in string at ...
12:00 |Lupin|       This gives me error messages such that
12:00 |Lupin|       I just tried to run the bulkmarcimport script on a file containing just one UNIMARC record.