Time Nick Message 11:59 Amit hi No_Reply 11:59 No_Reply hi Amit 11:57 Amit hi jrs 11:57 jatillaso hi 11:34 Amit hi jwagner 10:29 chris yep ill be going to bed soon 10:29 |Lupin| ok guys, lunch time here, 'd night chris in case you go sleeping before I'm back 10:28 kf :) 10:28 chris that's not perls fault :) 10:28 nahuel :) 10:27 nahuel ahah, now, with perl, we are bugfixing every day 10:27 chris 9 years after we started :-) 10:27 chris if it was java, we'd still be writing the spec 10:26 nahuel héhé 10:26 |Lupin| hi nahuel :) 10:25 nahuel (hi) 10:24 nahuel chris, java is cool :) 10:24 chris we have all sorts in the community 10:24 chris |Lupin|: nahuel is a big python fan 10:21 chris course id only have myself to blame if it was hehe 10:21 chris im just glad Koha isnt java :) 10:20 |Lupin| chris: I understand that CPAN is likeable 10:20 chris |Lupin|: im sure it will 10:20 No_Reply CPAN is wonderful 10:20 |Lupin| chris: but will 6 one day become widespread ? 10:20 chris the thing that perl has that makes me love it is CPAN 10:19 |Lupin| chris: never tried Ruby 10:19 chris yeah 6 is a lot clearer |Lupin| 10:19 chris it works, perl works :) 10:19 |Lupin| chris: ok :) I tried to deepen my understanding of the language several times but I was never successfull. I can't develop a good intuition about how things work, never know e.g. if it's $ or % etc. 10:19 chris i dont hate ruby, i dont love it either though 10:18 No_Reply i've been spoiled by ruby, i'm afraid 10:17 chris i like perl6 more, but i like 5.10 just fine 10:15 chris then pass it as \%item; 10:15 No_Reply ok 10:15 No_Reply right 10:15 chris $item{'itemcallnumber'} = '1234b'; 10:15 chris my %item; 10:15 chris so 10:14 chris thats a hashref 10:13 No_Reply or just the name of a script that already uses it 10:13 No_Reply maybe you can give me an example 10:13 No_Reply looking at ModItem and not really sure what kind of input it wants for {column => $newvalue } 10:12 chris yep 10:11 No_Reply chris: still around? 09:40 |Lupin| chris: okay, thanks 09:40 kf and should go to title fields 09:39 chris yep 09:39 kf problem is the library specific information, that will be in holdings records 09:39 kf items will be managed only in Koha 09:38 chris but id still like to be able to do it in koha 09:38 kf as title cataloging is done in union catalog 09:38 chris (barcodes etc) 09:38 kf in our case it will be nightly import 09:38 chris keeping all the local use data 09:38 kf ok, will keep this in mind for our next meeting 09:37 chris yep, thats why i was doing it with my script 09:37 kf and overwrite everything 09:37 kf if a title is updated in union catalog, it will get in data import 09:37 chris at the commandline, and run my script to merge it 09:36 chris what i was doing was fetch the record from z3950 09:36 kf we will have regular data import with updated titles from union catalog 09:36 chris yep 09:36 kf but you need an extra script to do it - and updating with z.39.50 will still delete the 900's 09:35 chris but a nice merge utility in koha would be excellent 09:35 chris is export the records, and combine it with the new one, keeping the 900's, then import it back in 09:35 chris the way i have done that 09:35 chris yep 09:34 kf something like update record but keep local use fields would be nice 09:33 chris somewhere in the local use fields too |Lupin| 09:33 kf ok 09:33 chris if you have -d 09:32 chris kf: everythign is overwritten by import 09:32 |Lupin| we'll also have to store whether a record refers to a book in the private or public domain... any idea where this could go ? 09:32 kf are 900's overwritten by import? 09:32 chris 900's are local use 09:32 chris in MARC21 anyway 09:31 |Lupin| chris: ok :) 09:31 chris 999 something :) 09:31 chris somewhere in the 900's 09:31 |Lupin| So is there a place where these old record numbers could be stored ? 09:31 chris nope 09:30 |Lupin| chris: I see. So it's not the same thing... 09:30 chris basically shelving location 09:30 chris |Lupin|: call numbers are things like Dewey, or LCCN 09:29 chris just works 09:29 chris that way doesnt slow done the live one 09:29 chris they run all their reports against the backup server 09:28 Elwell any gotchas or just works? 09:28 chris HLT has been doing that since 2000 Elwell 09:28 |Lupin| When migrating a home-made poor man's catalog to koha, where should the old record numbers be stored ? Is this what is called call numbers, what you guys are talking about ? 09:28 chris yep 09:28 Elwell Q - has anyone here done stuff like MySQL replication onto backup server (for devel purposes)? 09:25 chris cool that'll work 09:25 No_Reply and a live backup server to test on 09:25 chris and do this on another koha 09:25 No_Reply i have good backups 09:25 No_Reply that sounds about right 09:25 chris of course i would take a copy of the db 09:25 chris something like that anyway 09:25 chris so get a list of itemnumbers, get the itemdata for each of them (GetItem) and then change itemcallnumber to be the value you get from 942k and then ModItem it 09:24 No_Reply I'll look at both 09:24 chris actually you could just use ModItem 09:23 No_Reply sure, taking a look 09:23 chris No_Reply: do perldoc C4/Items.pm 09:19 chris for each one 09:19 chris so get all the items that need to be changed, loop through them and call ModItemFromMarc 09:18 No_Reply chris: this is new to me, tell me more 09:17 chris No_Reply: it would be best to use the subroutines for editing marc records in koha, then the right fields will be filled out 09:16 Amit k 09:16 chris the problem is this is post migration Amit 09:16 Amit but in dpl case circulation is not stated in koha-2.2.9 so migration is easy 09:16 Amit i have already migrated koha-2.2.9 data to koha 3 for delhi public library 09:16 No_Reply chris: i thought about writing a script to move swap everything, but i wasn't confident enough in my knowledge of Koha's database to assume I knew all the db entries to change 09:16 Amit yes ur right chris 09:15 chris you would need to script something to change, essentially you want to edit every item 09:15 chris and no longer match their circ data 09:14 chris which means we cant just export them, change them, and reload them, because they will get new itemnumbers 09:14 No_Reply right, library has been live for years 09:14 chris and you have circulation records for them right No_Reply ? 09:14 Amit ok chris 09:14 Amit k 09:13 No_Reply i've got 8 or 9 thousand records that need to be moved over 09:13 No_Reply yes, that's the problem exactly 09:13 chris Amit: he has a whole lot of old records that he needs to change, so just changing the mapping wont change them 09:12 Amit go to ur koha-->Administration-->Koha to MARC mapping 09:11 No_Reply ok, what's the best way to change the MARC records? 09:11 Amit No_Reply u should map your call no to 952$o 09:10 No_Reply but koha doesn't like remapping to 942 09:10 Amit but in 3.0.1 call number 952$o 09:10 No_Reply i'd rather avoid doing that on a live database, though 09:10 No_Reply someone yesterday suggested that we move them to 952$o or some such 09:09 |Lupin| No_Reply: yes, heard about it. Can't remember why we decided not o use it actually. Prhaps it is missng MARC support ? 09:09 No_Reply our call numbers are in marc 942k 09:09 Amit hmmm 09:08 No_Reply the problem is that in 'Normal' view for any given record, the call number is missing 09:08 No_Reply i have a system I've moved up from 2.2.5 through 2.2.9 and is currently running 3.0.1 09:07 Amit No_Reply 09:07 Amit tell 09:07 Amit yes 09:07 No_Reply hi Amit: I'm having some trouble with koha-MARC mapping that people didn't have much help for yesterday, maybe you can help me out? 09:04 Amit hi No_Reply 09:04 No_Reply hey |Lupin|: did someone get a chance to tell you about Greenstone? 08:58 |Lupin| hi No_Reply 08:54 No_Reply hi all 08:34 |Lupin| I'll first play with the interface under Windows so that I can use js, and then when I have a better idea about how things work I'll file the enhancement request 08:32 |Lupin| okay 08:32 hdl_laptop1 or need 08:32 hdl_laptop1 file things you really want. 08:31 |Lupin| hdl_laptop1: I think I may file one just for the Z39.50 thing at the moment.. what do you think ? 08:30 |Lupin| hdl_laptop1: okay 08:30 hdl_laptop1 And try to make a kind of priority. 08:30 |Lupin| hdl_laptop1: I'm more missing the ability to query Z39.50 servers directly from within Koha 08:30 hdl_laptop1 But please file an enhancement request. 08:30 |Lupin| hdl_laptop1: and as I said, not being able to enter MARC records is not what I miss most. 08:29 hdl_laptop1 it is not (only) the number of lines of code. It is also the question of maintaining the code. 08:26 |Lupin| hdl_laptop1: I understand. I thought it did not represent a lot of code, but I may very well be wrong on that. 08:24 hdl_laptop1 |Lupin|: this would require maintaining two different ways to manage cataloguing. 08:20 |Lupin| hdl_laptop1: but the two are not incompatible... the old way could be kept as a fallback 08:18 hdl_laptop1 (this was the way it was done in 2.2, before ppl urgely requested for javascript) 08:17 |Lupin| hdl_laptop1: or perhaps the editor could allow dupplication only of subfields, and have buttons to add other fields with the same tag ? 08:17 hdl_laptop1 So it has been a problem for american ppl. 08:16 hdl_laptop1 + | is used in MARC21 as empty character for fixed data. 08:16 hdl_laptop1 so you would require 2 special characters 08:16 hdl_laptop1 |Lupin|: this (using | as duplicate subfields) was done for 2.2. But you have subfields and fields duplication. 08:14 |Lupin| hdl_laptop1: I think I can imagine several ways to make this possible even without javascript. For instance one could have a big form with all the marc fields and define a character that could be used as a separator for the repetable fields. I'm not saying this wold be convenient or comfortable. I'd just be there for those user who can't use the beautiful javascript thing and it would be etter than nothing, IMO 08:12 hdl_laptop1 + would require loading all the data back and forth. 08:11 hdl_laptop1 yes. 08:11 |Lupin| hdl_laptop1: they don't want to query the server because this would make things slower, you mean ? 08:09 chris that makes sense |Lupin| 08:09 chris yep 08:09 |Lupin| Not sure whether I'm clear or not... 08:08 |Lupin| chris: it'd not only be easier, I think, but also, in a way, more precious. Because I think when I want to play at MARC level, I don't mind doing so in Perl. Whereas when I want to do a high level thing like adding a bibliographic record form our national library, then this lends itself more to be done in the web interface. 08:08 hdl_laptop1 The problem is that user likes to be able to add fields and subfields on the fly without querying the server (and this is done via js DOM manipulation.) 08:07 hdl_laptop1 and explain why. 08:07 |Lupin| hdl_laptop1: okay 08:06 hdl_laptop1 |Lupin|: you could add some enhancement for use without js in bugzilla 08:06 |Lupin| chris: okay, thanks a lot for this clarification 08:06 chris yep that would be easier to do 08:06 |Lupin| chris: I think koha can also query Z3950 servers for marc records, and that is not accessible either. Perhaps this part would be easier to make accessible, because there is no marc iditing involved... ? 08:04 chris and utf8 encoded is the best bet 08:04 chris yep, it will only accept valid marc records 08:04 |Lupin| chris: concernintg bulkmarcimport, that's indeed what I'm currently sing, but I guess it must be used with some attention, first because I don't know how much data checks it performs on the validity of the MARC records, second because one probably has to double-check e.g. hich charset koha wants in the records and things like that 08:03 chris but its worth keeping asking for it :) 08:02 chris i don't think it is something that will get done in the near future, ever since marc support was added that has needed javascript (original koha without marc had no compulsory js) 08:02 |Lupin| chris: yes, something like that 08:01 chris and if you had repeatable fields it would have to be a few steps 08:00 chris but it would be nice that if you didnt have js enabled, you just got one huge form to fill in 08:00 chris to laod a marc record that you have created elsewhere 07:59 chris in terms of that, you can use bulkmarcimport.pl 07:59 chris *nod* 07:59 |Lupin| chris: well even something like adding a bibliographic record can't be done with lynx at the moment 07:58 chris ahh yes, but they might be the subject of a XSS attack 07:57 |Lupin| chris: yes, that's also my point of view. But here e are talking about clients that are authenticated, so maybe that's why the developers were not too picky about server-side data validation 07:57 chris by just asking for it, and documenting the places where it needs fixing is helping |Lupin| 07:57 davi later 07:57 davi chris, Good to know. I am overloaded since some month ago 07:56 chris (by client i mean webbrowser, not the person using it) 07:56 |Lupin| chris: I wish I had more time to contribute. 07:56 |Lupin| chris: if one could achieve a web-based solution which would work even with lynx, that would be great I think 07:56 chris because the client may be malicious 07:56 chris you shouldnt depend on the client for data validation 07:56 |Lupin| chris: I agree 07:55 chris it should be done in both 07:55 chris yeah, that should be fixed 07:55 |Lupin| chris: really ? I thought it would be hard to implement functionalities without javascript, for instance because some data tests seem to be done in the javascript part and not in the perl scripts. 07:55 chris im from the old school, i think things should work without javascript, and javascript used to make things work better, but not nessecary 07:54 chris probably harder than fixing it to work without javascript :) 07:53 |Lupin| yesterday i explored koha's client staff web interface... I think it is not usable with lynx, there are too many things that require javascript. I think it wold be hard to provide non-javascript alternatives, so I am wondering ho things cold be improved. I'm wondering, e.g., how difficult it would be to provide a command-line interface for some functionalities... 07:51 chris sounds about right 07:50 |Lupin| and we are UTC+2 now, I think 07:49 chris davi: the king and queen of spain are visiting wellington this month :) 07:49 chris at the moment nz is UTC + 12 .. in summer its UTC + 13 07:49 |Lupin| yes 07:49 chris and must be about 9.50am for you? 07:48 chris its 7.50pm on tuesday 07:48 chris (its not really, but its close enough, its usually the opposite time) 07:47 |Lupin| okay 07:47 chris pretty much 12 hours 07:46 |Lupin| what's the time difference between France and New Zealand ? 07:45 |Lupin| good evening chris 07:43 chris hi |Lupin| 07:33 |Lupin| Hello everybody 07:25 Kivutar hi :) 07:22 kf hi chris 07:17 chris hi europe :) 07:04 Amit hi kf 07:04 kf hi hdl and Amit 07:00 hdl_laptop1 hi Amit 07:00 Amit hi hdl 06:58 hdl_laptop1 hi kf 06:26 Elwell richard: yup. that about sums the place up 06:26 chris hehe 06:25 richard the kilbirnie website doesn't inspire much confidence - http://www.kilbirnie.uk.net/ 06:24 Elwell ah K 06:17 richard kilbirnie is a wellington suburb - close to the airport 06:16 Elwell chris: I assume there's a kilbirnie in .nz, as the kilbirnie in scotland is um, err, to use the politically correct term, pile o sh*te 06:09 Amit hmm tandoori roti 06:08 chris Amit: it is the name of an indian restaurant (and takeaways) 06:08 Amit tandoori means chris 06:01 richard sure is :( 06:01 chris its freezing out there :) 06:01 chris lies 06:01 munin richard: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). 06:01 richard @wunder wellington, new zealand 05:46 Amit hi paul_p 05:34 brendan goodnight #koha 05:06 Jo right, off home. cya 05:04 Amit yes 05:04 Jo great to have more brains working on it 05:03 Jo cool.... thats been my project 05:03 Amit R &D is going on 05:03 Amit we have installed kete 05:03 Jo :) 05:03 Jo and hadn't realised you support Kete as well as Koha. 05:02 Jo havn't seen you online for a while, 05:02 Amit heya Jo 05:01 Jo hi AMit 04:33 richard cya 04:32 chris ok off to pick up kahu 03:49 chris :) 03:45 brendan thinking I won't check the first few innings 03:45 brendan 4:30 am here 03:43 munin brendan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 03:43 brendan @gcalc 12:30 gmt in pst 03:43 Amit chris: WI in semi 03:43 chris http://www.cricinfo.com/wt202009/engine/current/match/356013.html 03:43 chris 12.30 gmt brendan 03:42 Amit hi JO 03:42 chris not for a while yet 03:42 brendan I'd like to follow along 03:41 brendan is the match being payed now ? 03:41 richard :0 03:41 chris heh 03:41 brendan hey that's good news -- they couldn't find the bus 03:40 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found. 03:40 brendan @wunder sri lanka bus 03:40 munin richard: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising). 03:40 richard @wunder wellington, new zealand 03:40 brendan flat tires in the forecast 03:39 Amit he he richard 03:39 richard they = their 03:39 richard if sri lanka miss they bus, nz will make the final :) 03:38 chris brendan: nope 03:38 chris brr 03:38 chris Feels like -3C - 7 layers of clothing are recommended to remain comfortable in these conditions 03:38 brendan NZ have any chance in the fifa tournament? 03:38 chris yeah 03:36 richard enjoying a refreshing breeze coming off antarctica 03:35 richard yep 03:34 Amit richard: r u interested in cricket matches 03:34 brendan or golden century or something 03:34 richard hi amit 03:34 Amit hi richard 03:33 brendan introduce sudden death 03:33 brendan :) 03:33 chris yeah :) 03:33 richard i doubt the tournament would ever finish if they had playoffs :) 03:32 brendan they should have a playoff 03:32 chris we go ahead with superior run rate 03:32 chris so if we have 2 wins and someone else has 2 wins 03:32 chris plus wins 03:32 brendan so you get ahead by your stats 03:32 chris there are 8 teams going for 4 spots in the semi finals started off with 16 03:32 Amit Chris: I think South Africa Win T20 world cup this time 03:32 brendan kind of understand - but not really 03:31 chris like amit said, run rate is important 03:31 brendan why a big margin -- isn't a win a win ? 03:31 Amit chris: Runrate is important 03:31 Amit yes 03:31 Amit this is good 03:31 chris brendan: the hard thing is, even if we beat them, we have to beat them by a big big margin 03:30 brendan we should plan it 03:30 Amit sure 03:30 brendan amit kohacon in india 2011 ? 03:30 brendan hehe 03:30 Amit chris: i m right 03:30 Amit Srilanka is strong as compare to NZ 03:29 brendan well let's root for NZ today 03:29 Amit hmm 03:29 chris nz will probably go out today 03:29 brendan do you watch any of it ? 03:29 brendan bummer 03:29 Amit my indian team out of T20 world cup 03:29 brendan but that is part of being a fan of that team 03:28 brendan my baseball team -- that I root for -- sucks 03:27 brendan not really 03:27 Amit brendan: any new from your side 03:27 Amit thanks 03:27 brendan wish you the best 03:26 brendan well good luck 03:26 Amit hope 03:26 Amit planning only 03:26 Amit Indian Institute of Science 03:25 brendan which university? 03:25 brendan cool 03:25 Amit i m planning for MLIS course 03:25 Amit no 03:25 brendan amit -- anything new ? 03:24 brendan hehe 03:24 Amit but in day delhi is very hot 03:24 munin Amit: I suck 03:24 Amit munin this is a morning temp 03:24 brendan not too hot yet Amit 03:23 munin brendan: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 27.0°C (8:30 AM IST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 03:23 brendan @wunder new delhi, india 03:23 Amit hi munin 03:23 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found. 03:23 Amit chris: So NZ T20 match today 03:23 brendan @wunder delhi, india 03:23 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found. 03:23 brendan @wunder bangalore india 03:23 brendan heya Amit 03:23 chris hi Amit 03:23 Amit good morning #koha 03:22 Amit hi brendan,chris, mason 03:15 brendan mine too... basically everything except the users home folders are root ... on mine 03:14 chris all the scripts in init.d are owned by root (on my machines anyway) 03:14 brendan right -- I just scrambled to my other server and saw that it has root for permissions -- guess I should research first (follow my librarian back-ground) instead 03:12 chris root is fine, it will run as the user specified in that script 03:11 brendan the permissions in init.d for koha-zebra-daemon should be the zebrauser correct and not root ? 00:37 Jo hey chris 00:37 chris sup jo? 00:32 Jo and i shall continue the final edit of our code4lib paper - being published on the 22nd 00:31 brendan cool -- back to doing the dishes ;) 00:31 Jo might be able to arrange something :) 00:31 brendan when that's up -- would love to sneak peek! 00:30 brendan oh cool 00:30 Jo I might email him - it was just an off chance 00:29 Jo I figured .. 00:29 Jo hey our new style / theme you saw for the OPAC will be applied to opur intranet too, and also our internal Kete 00:29 brendan chris has been in and out 00:29 Jo lo sorry - Brendan 00:29 Jo hey Bren dan 00:29 brendan heya jo 00:27 Jo Chris : are you about per chance 00:27 Jo morning all 23:52 pianohacker 'night, all 23:52 brendan ok heading home -- be back in a bit 23:33 chris hehe 23:31 brendan sounds like an exciting new development for the game 23:30 brendan chris here's to spaceball 23:30 chris heh 23:30 brendan when will these clouds go away -- this is supposed to be sunny cali -- but nothing but clouds for like three weeks 23:30 munin brendan: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 20.0°C (4:29 PM PDT on June 15, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling). 23:29 brendan @wunder santa barbara, CA 23:08 chris night jwagner 23:07 jwagner Good night all... 23:03 chris :) 23:00 jwagner chris, just saw your link & the picture. Baseball wins another convert! 22:39 chris debra_denault++ 22:39 chris ryan++ 22:39 chris ohhh kick ass 22:37 chris (plasma) 22:37 chris we went into the shop with the plan to get a 32inch .. but there was this 50inch for less!!!! 22:36 chris on, no speakers either, but thats easy fix too ... sound all goes into a stereo 22:35 chris and plugged the cable box into that, and the dvd into another and done 22:35 chris so just got some composite to scart converters 22:35 chris 4 SCART and one VGA 22:34 chris SCART 22:34 pianohacker Does it have composite/component/etc. inputs, or just VGA/DVI? Nice deal 22:34 chris which is why we got it absurdly cheap, because no one could figure it out 22:34 chris ie it came without a tuner 22:34 chris yeah, its actually a montior 22:34 chris heh 22:31 pianohacker Apparently I'm not a father; first thing I noticed about that photo was the wide-screen TV 22:29 schuster Well that's it for me my brain is fried! time to head out! 22:28 chris could well be :) 22:27 schuster He probably wants the hood because you probably had one on out in the cold/rain! 22:27 schuster HA! Kinda like my 4 year old that keeps saying he needs a chin guard to play Soccer(shin...) 22:26 chris http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2009/06/15/this-one-is-for-brendan-owen-joe-and-jane/ 22:26 schuster I've been gone for several days so I missed it! 22:25 chris did you see my "spaceball" photo schuster ? 22:25 schuster sorry couldn't resist working 10 hour days to have 3 day weekends - makes us giddy at the end of the day. 22:25 chris :) 22:25 schuster front 22:11 chris back 22:01 pianohacker Ahh, okay 22:01 schuster I'm not overly interested in that as it can be done currently - we don't batch print usually we are doing on at a time and each person then can add them as needed. 21:56 pianohacker schuster: Do you think it would work to add spine labels to a batch that could be printed out at a later date? 21:36 pianohacker Ah well, I can wait 21:35 ryan lol 21:21 joetho I have downloaded some stuff to install on my laptop but haven't done anything with it yet. Too busy. 21:21 joetho But it is the one people make computers do stuff with. 21:20 joetho just a book 21:20 joetho well so far it hasn't told me. 21:20 joetho hi jessie 21:15 pianohacker Which perl? 21:14 wizzyrea joetho: ORLY? 21:13 joetho <--working on perl 21:00 richard sorry, was on a coffee run 20:59 hdl_laptop hi richard 20:59 wizzyrea nice! 20:59 wizzyrea ooh, no 20:59 chris and the 28th committer to Koha 20:57 chris have ppl met richard before, richard is a katipod :) 20:56 wizzyrea heya richard 20:56 pianohacker hello 20:53 richard hi 20:13 chris is my fave one still :) 20:13 chris http://www.beigebrigade.co.nz/gallery/album02/everest 20:12 chris http://www.beigebrigade.co.nz/gallery/album02/P1260305 20:04 chris http://www.beigebrigade.co.nz/gallery/album16/Russ_distracted 20:03 nicomo_laptop :-) 20:03 nicomo_laptop I've a lot of commercial work to do in the South Pacific 20:03 nicomo_laptop that's a cheap shot paul_p 20:03 chris (russel and I do the website) 20:03 paul_p nicomo_laptop: except at KohaCon we need techies, so you'll have to learn Perl 1st :D 20:02 chris http://beigebrigade.co.nz/ 20:01 chris well that would work better, summer is a nicer time to visit anyway :) 20:01 nicomo_laptop I'd love to have an opportunity to learn the rules 20:01 nicomo_laptop chris: for KohaCon, pls make it Cricket if at all possible 20:00 chris and everyone loves the underdog 20:00 chris yep :) 20:00 pianohacker Enemy of my enemy? 20:00 chris it was strange hearing 45,000 nzers chanting "USA, USA" 19:59 cait ok, going to bed now - I hope I will dream about Koha konfiguration again :) 19:59 chris i remember in 2005, the US rugby team beat England (in rugby 7's) in wellington 19:58 cait g 19:56 chris they scored a try against australia this weekend, first try in quite a few games :) (italy that is) 19:55 paul_p 10 years ago the italian team was unknown anywhere in Italy. Now they play the 6 nation tournament. They usually score 5 losses for 0 win, but sometimes 1 or even 2 wins. Maybe in a few years, we will have a 7 nations tournament ;-) 19:55 chris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_national_rugby_union_team 19:55 cait hm :) 19:54 cait says wikipedia 19:54 chris *nod* 19:54 cait With the exception of a number of players who play in France, the German team is still largely an amateur side. 19:54 chris hehe except the people in it 19:54 cait and nobody knows they exist g 19:54 chris cait: so you have a rugby team they just arent very good :-) 19:53 cait night paul 19:51 chris cya paul_p sleep well 19:51 chris http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_new_zealanders_play_rugby_union_How_many_registered_players_of_rugby_union_in_new_zealand 19:51 cait chris: uh 19:51 paul_p bye everybody & have a good day or evening, or night, depending on where you are ;-) 19:51 pianohacker 'night 19:50 paul_p so going to bed. 19:50 paul_p very tired & 10PM here in montauban (training the public library that will go live next week) 19:50 chris cait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_national_rugby_union_team 19:49 nicomo_laptop but granted : cricket seems exotic in the US, I guess 19:49 nicomo_laptop a dutch guy married to a british girl, trying to play cricket in NYC with guys from Pakistan and India and the West Indy 19:48 nicomo_laptop wizzyrea: there's a novel about a guy trying to set up a cricket stadium in NYC 19:47 cait dont even know which ball it is played with 19:47 nicomo_laptop chris : so british 19:47 paul_p 40 clubs & 800 players in france. 19:47 cait no rugby or cricket in germany 19:47 wizzyrea especially in lawrence 19:47 chris those are the religions in nz :) 19:47 wizzyrea all we know is basketball >.> 19:47 chris wizzyrea: rugby in winter, cricket in summer 19:47 wizzyrea ah, nobody plays either here for the most part ^.^ 19:46 wizzyrea you lost us poor kansans for a minute there 19:46 paul_p noone plays cricket in france. really. 19:46 wizzyrea AHHH 19:46 paul_p wizzyrea: nope. 19:46 chris wizzyrea: rugby 19:46 chris was 17-11 at halftime 19:46 wizzyrea is this cricket? 19:46 chris but in the first half, at 35 mins it was 17-3 to france 19:45 chris intercept pass, caused a try, which lost the match 19:45 chris all blacks very rusty 19:45 chris frenchies good 19:45 paul_p strangely, the newspaper here did not speak of this victory that much. 19:44 paul_p was the match nice ? were all blacks poor or frenchies really good ? 19:44 chris hi there paul_p :) 19:44 chris he mixes and matches depending on who is talking to him 19:43 chris and my parents do also, and laurel does for the words/phrases she knows .. there is so much english around him he picks all that up easy too 19:43 paul_p hello chris. 19:42 chris i try to talk to Kahu in maori 19:42 chris yep 19:36 rhcl So chris, do you commonly use Maori words/phrases in New Zealand, or within your family? 19:33 chris right, some apple, some cereal and some peanut butter on toast, he's happy 19:21 chris bbiab 19:21 chris breakfast 19:21 chris which is kahu's way of asking for \ 19:21 chris ok im being told "my puku (stomach in maori) is saying 'hungry'" 19:17 chris so landlords in the true sense of the word 19:16 chris ahhh :) 19:14 Sharon Rent a spot, then fight with them about the sewer and tree limbs 19:12 chris sweet :) 19:10 Sharon So far, so good. Only half done, but it looks awesome. I'll have the nicest trailer in the park ;-) 19:09 chris hows the new siding working out for ya Lybrarian ? 19:01 rhcl Hi Chris 18:59 cait good morning chris 18:57 gmcharlt hi chris 18:57 pianohacker Good morning 18:57 chris morning 17:04 No_Reply if it helps, this is a recent upgrade from version 2.25-2.29 to 3.01 17:01 No_Reply which i take to mean that the data is good, in some sense of the term but that koha can't find it due to some kind of mapping issue 17:00 No_Reply but not under the 'normal' view on the OPAC or Librarian Interface 17:00 No_Reply it shows up under marc 17:00 No_Reply on 3.0.1 yes 17:00 schuster Oh then that doesn't work - so the call number doesn't show for anything? You are on version 3 right? 16:41 No_Reply you've lost me, i'm not sure what i want to strip--this is a live database for a working library 16:37 schuster If you have already loaded the bib and items - maybe it would be worth to strip those and reload after you "massaged" the data to load? 16:37 schuster If you can't get to the 952$o you can use MarcEdit to move and copy that information into a 952$o 16:37 No_Reply what might be the best way to move the current records? 16:36 No_Reply schuster, sure thing 16:36 schuster If you plan to get records from vendors in the future I would recommend you use 952$o for the item call number. 16:35 No_Reply .Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/.../C4/Biblio.pm line 2811. 16:34 No_Reply err, strike that, errors thrown all over the place when i run batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl 16:34 wizzyrea too bad Marc or Michele aren't around 16:33 atz we could use somebody who does more dataloading on this question 16:32 atz patch sent 16:32 No_Reply hmmm, i'm unsure if this is actually a mapping problem... remapping itemcallnumber from blank to 942k doesn't help at all 16:25 No_Reply this is what i have a functional backup for, i suppose 16:24 atz best I can say is "results undetermined" 16:23 No_Reply is that a real no-no, or just bad form? 16:23 No_Reply as a hypothetical, if i remapped items.itemcallnumber to 942k and ran that script despite the warnings that the MARC Framework Test throws at me, what would be the likely result? 16:19 atz i'll update the old references now 16:18 atz the script appears to be the right one though 16:17 No_Reply yes 16:17 atz the new name is better... but it would be nice if the docs internal and external were updated at the same time as the rename 16:16 No_Reply that's what i figured 16:16 atz No_Reply: yes, the internal docs for that script refer to it as "rebuildnonmarc" 16:15 No_Reply has it perhaps been replaced by batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl? 16:15 atz checking 16:15 No_Reply but that doesn't exist in my installation 16:14 No_Reply my librarian interface warns me i should run rebuildnonmarc.pl 16:14 No_Reply atz: suppose i were to change my Koha to Marc mappings. What script would I need to run? 16:12 No_Reply there isn't any place for a call number under 952 as it exists on our system 16:12 atz that is the mapping that makes sense to me, since the same biblio record will apply to items in different libraries or in different collections of the same library. 16:11 atz right 16:11 No_Reply whereas 952 is ITEM INFORMATION 16:11 atz i know the itemcallnumber is held at the item level in koha 3.x ... 16:10 No_Reply it is labeled 'biblioitem information' in the framework 16:10 No_Reply 942 might be something left over from our koha 2.2 database 16:08 atz need somebody w/ more cataloging chops than me 16:08 No_Reply i'd much rather re-map the framework than move all the call numbers to a different MARC field--though i don't know whether in theory they should be in 952 rather than 942 16:07 No_Reply and in 942k 16:06 No_Reply the marc record has call numbers in 050 16:06 atz if that makes sense... 16:06 atz i don't know. for the default default framework, i think so. 16:06 No_Reply the problem is that I don't get call numbers under 'normal' view on a search 16:05 No_Reply do i need to move all the itemcallnumbers to a 952 field? 16:05 atz or am i misunderstanding the problem? 16:04 atz or rather, the adjusted-to-be-what-koha-expects records 16:03 No_Reply atz: the marc records are correct 16:03 atz No_Reply: you could just re-import and overlay the corrected records 16:02 No_Reply i'm sure it's something silly, but can't seem to figure out how it is supposed to work 16:02 No_Reply do either of you have any ideas about how i can fix my call number issue 16:00 No_Reply hadn't heard of that 16:00 No_Reply greenstone looks like a good pick for him, at a glance 15:59 wizzyrea yea, or that 15:59 atz yeah, either that or something like 658$u for the URLs? 15:59 wizzyrea oh well 15:58 wizzyrea instead of koha for managing digital collections 15:58 wizzyrea oh, I was going to suggest that he look at something like greenstone 15:58 atz |Lupin|: damn... he lleft 15:58 |Lupin| bye all 15:48 |Lupin| No_Reply: np 15:44 No_Reply I don't really have much advice for you there--I haven't had to use electronic resources with koha at all 15:44 |Lupin| No_Reply: yes it is interesting, I agree. It's just that I feel not very well armed to solve the problem 15:43 |Lupin| No_Reply: my task is to do that and to see which tools provided by Koha can be used to handle our particular problems (we have files rather than material books, etc.). 15:42 |Lupin| No_Reply: all the library has ben home-made, a few years ago. Now the organization wants to rewrite it around Koha. 15:42 No_Reply quite interesting 15:42 |Lupin| No_Reply: we have a digital library here, which provides digital books to blind persons who can download them and read them in a secured way 15:41 |Lupin| No_Reply: it is somewhat specific 15:40 No_Reply what kind of environment are you looking at using it in? 15:40 No_Reply right 15:39 |Lupin| No_Reply: well... the reference manual it's a per-module description of koha. I think I'd prefer (need) a higher level description introducing all the concepts and explaining a bit he impact of the choices one does 15:35 No_Reply thanks |Lupin|, how's the documentation reading coming? 15:34 |Lupin| No_Reply: I don't know, sorry 15:30 No_Reply does anyone have any insight on this call number issue? or is no one about? 15:05 |Lupin| No_Reply: perhaps the first visit was too shallow... I'll retry 15:04 No_Reply if you haven't already looked at that 15:04 No_Reply you might try http://koha.org/documentation 15:04 |Lupin| I'm thinking about concepts such as item types, branches, and all these things that are rather mysterious to the newbie I am 15:03 |Lupin| I'm looking for a document that would give an overview of the key concepts one needs to nderstand to have a good idea about what koha can do and where to look for a given feature. Does such a docuemnt exist ? 15:02 No_Reply or better yet, the MARC framework tests don't like me mapping itemcallnumber to the anything other than 952, though the call numbers are in 942k 14:58 No_Reply i've remapped them but need to figure out what script to use to rebuild under 3.0.1 14:58 No_Reply my Item Callnumbers weren't correctly mapped when the database was built 14:57 No_Reply i'm having a bit of trouble with koha-marc mapping... 14:48 wizzyrea hello 13:13 |Lupin| oh actually there are a lot of parameters to specify to establish the Z3950 connection.. 13:12 |Lupin| Does anybody know what to do with this one ? 13:12 |Lupin| z3950.bnf.fr:2211 error: Init rejected (ZOOM:10005) 13:01 gmcharlt you're welcome 12:58 |Lupin| thanks a lot Galen ! I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have succedded by myself 12:58 gmcharlt cool 12:57 |Lupin| it's there 12:57 |Lupin| yes 12:55 |Lupin| let's see 12:54 gmcharlt ok, then the record you loaded should already be indexed 12:54 |Lupin| gmcharlt: actually I think koha is configured here to not use zebra... 12:53 |Lupin| ow... actually I have ran this program twice, and the first time it complained about uninitialized values, so I ran it again with a redirection to a log file, and it was not the same result... 12:53 gmcharlt to index 12:53 gmcharlt time to run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -z 12:52 gmcharlt cool 12:52 |Lupin| 1 MARC records done in 0.0420000553131104 seconds 12:52 |Lupin| . 12:51 |Lupin| /usr/local/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -c UNIMARC -file marc.dat 12:51 |Lupin| okay ! many many thanks for your patient assistance gmcharlt 12:50 gmcharlt at any rate, you should be set to try the bulkmarcimport.pl run again 12:50 |Lupin| sorry gmcharlt? I was really dumb... 12:50 gmcharlt whew! 12:50 |Lupin| | 6707 | 12:50 |Lupin| oops I'm not showing the right thing ! 12:50 |Lupin| select count(*) from marc_subfield_structure: 1 row in set (0.00 sec) 12:49 |Lupin| 992 rows in set (0.00 sec) 12:49 |Lupin| mysql> select * from marc_tag_structure; 12:49 gmcharlt select count(*) from marc_subfield_structure 12:48 gmcharlt double-check by doing 12:48 |Lupin| gmcharlt: done 12:48 gmcharlt |Lupin|: Obligatoire/framework_DEFAULT.sql 12:47 |Lupin| gmcharlt: okay, I didn't see your last line so I was looking for the right script to load, I'm almost done 12:43 gmcharlt load Obligatoire/framework_DEFAULT.sql 12:42 |Lupin| Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) 12:42 gmcharlt then load the following scripts forom the installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/marcflavour/unimarc_lecture_pub 12:42 |Lupin| just out of curiosity: how should one do with the web interface ? (this part may be accessible...) 12:42 gmcharlt delete from marc_tag_structure 12:42 gmcharlt delete from biblio_framework; 12:42 gmcharlt first, do 12:41 |Lupin| Bgreat 12:41 gmcharlt ok, there are some SQL scripts you can run to load the default frameworks 12:41 |Lupin| it's french... 12:41 |Lupin| at least that's what I intend to do... 12:41 |Lupin| I think I'm using unimarc ! 12:40 gmcharlt English or French? 12:40 gmcharlt you're using UNIMARC? 12:40 |Lupin| 1 row in set (0.00 sec) 12:40 |Lupin| I guess I did something the wrong way... 12:40 gmcharlt select count(*) from marc_tag_structure; 12:40 |Lupin| ahah... 12:39 gmcharlt ok, that explains it 12:39 |Lupin| (I took your last query and removed the where clause) 12:39 |Lupin| 0 12:39 gmcharlt hmm - how many rows are theie in marc_subfield_structure total? 12:38 |Lupin| Empty set (0.00 sec) 12:37 gmcharlt ok, select tagsubfield, kohafield from marc_subfield_structure where tagfield = '001'; 12:36 |Lupin| 1 row in set (0.00 sec) 12:36 gmcharlt select count(*) from marc_subfield_structure where tagfield = '001'; 12:36 |Lupin| 1 row in set (0.00 sec) 12:36 gmcharlt and for that matter 12:36 gmcharlt yes 12:36 |Lupin| I guess something went wrong, it should have changed one row, right ? 12:35 gmcharlt select count(*) from marc_tag_structure where tagfield = '001'; 12:35 gmcharlt hmm 12:35 |Lupin| Rows matched: 0 Changed: 0 Warnings: 0 12:35 |Lupin| Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) 12:35 mason gmcharlt, ta - ill do some testing with it. 12:32 |Lupin| gmcharlt: okay, thanks ! let me try this and see whether I can then see the mapping... 12:31 gmcharlt update marc_subfield_stricture set kohafield = 'biblio.biblionumber' where tagfield = '001' and tagsubfield = '@'; 12:30 gmcharlt yes 12:30 |Lupin| gmcharlt: I fear I won't be able to do it easily through the web interface, because at the moment I don't have a javascript-enabled browser available. Is it feasible through an SQL query ? 12:30 gmcharlt mason: basically as frequently as the library wants to pull items from the shelf to fill hold requests 12:29 gmcharlt and check biblioitems.biblioitemnumber, and if it's not mapped, set to 090 subfield $a 12:29 gmcharlt |Lupin|: ok, then set biblionumber to tag 001 (subfield $@) 12:29 mason heya lupin 12:29 |Lupin| hi mason, sorry for the late reply 12:28 |Lupin| gmcharlt: There is a link associated to it, and if I follow this link, I can choose a MARC tag and subfield, but I'd say it is not associated to anything so far 12:27 |Lupin| gmcharlt: in the table I think biblionumber is associated to nothing 12:27 mason (or anyone else that has an answer too :) ) 12:27 mason every minute / or every hour? 12:26 mason how often does the ./build_holds_queue.pl cron usually run 12:26 mason galen , a quick Q... 12:25 |Lupin| hmm not obvious to day... 12:24 mason `hi galen , lupin 12:23 gmcharlt what tag and subfield is biblionumber mapped to? 12:23 |Lupin| I have that, I think 12:23 |Lupin| Yes 12:22 gmcharlt it should give you a list of which Koha fields are mapped to which MARC fields 12:22 |Lupin| okay 12:22 gmcharlt now go to admin/koha2marclinks.pl 12:21 gmcharlt ok, just confirm that a default framework existed 12:20 |Lupin| the link is /cgi-bin/koha/admin/marctagstructure.pl?frameworkcode= 12:20 |Lupin| actually there is a link associated to this default thing, but when I follow it I come toa page which is, I think, with javascript 12:18 |Lupin| does that make sens ? 12:18 |Lupin| I think the default one is Structure Marc 12:17 gmcharlt yes 12:17 |Lupin| koha/admin/biblio_framework.pl script I assume 12:16 gmcharlt |Lupin|: in this case, the link is 'MARC Bibliographic framework' from the admin home page 12:15 |Lupin| gmcharlt: just FYI, I'm using lynx to connect to koha's admin site, so even thinks like framework are not necessarily very evocative to me... 12:14 |Lupin| let me see... 12:14 gmcharlt |Lupin|: ok - do you have any MARC frameworks defined? (look in the MARC biblio framework page off of the Administration page) 12:09 |Lupin| gmcharlt: I'm sorry but I did not understand your explanations... can you please explain tome with more details ? I'm really a newbie to koha... 12:05 gmcharlt |Lupin|: check your MARC frameworks - it looks like the default framework doesn't have biblio.biblionumber mapped to any subfield 12:01 |Lupin| Did I perhaps forget something ? 12:00 |Lupin| Use of uninitialized value $biblio_subfield in string at ... 12:00 |Lupin| This gives me error messages such that 12:00 |Lupin| I just tried to run the bulkmarcimport script on a file containing just one UNIMARC record.