Time  Nick        Message
12:38 jwagner     Anyone know where the system specifies what subfields display for title in staff mode?  I've been trying to track it down, through detail.pl, Biblio.pm, etc. and I can't zero in on it.  Specifically, I want the 245 subfield h to display in staff mode.
12:39 schuster    While your there see if you can get b and p as well!  Big problem with series books...
12:41 jwagner     Subfield b seems to show by default -- at least the title I'm looking at shows it.  But only a and b.  We need h (Medium) to display.  Don't have a record with a subfield p handy, but presumably it would be fixed in the same place.
12:41 schuster    http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2771
12:43 jwagner     Thanks, just added my 2 cents there.  If I could find where it's controlled, I could at least fix my immediate problem....
12:44 jwagner     I can't even find where it's telling the 245 to include subfield b.  Gotta be there somewhere!
13:04 jwagner     AHA!  Since owen the master at catalog displays has joined :-) I'll repeat my question -- Anyone know where the system specifies what subfields display for title in staff mode?  I've been trying to track it down, through detail.pl, Biblio.pm, etc. and I can't zero in on it.  Specifically, I want the 245 subfield h to display in staff mode.
13:04 jwagner     David Schuster & I were just discussing this and he pointed me to bugzill # 2771.
13:04 owen        detail.pl and whatever pm's support it
13:05 jwagner     Yes, but I've been trolling through detail.pl and Biblio.pm and some other .pms, and can't find anywhere that specifies what fields/subfields should display for anything.  It just seems to be parsing them with my $subtitle         = C4::Biblio::get_koha_field_from_marc('bibliosubtitle', 'subtitle', $record, '');
13:06 gmcharlt    jwagner: it's look at the MARC framework field mapping
13:06 gmcharlt    and expecting that the 245$b will be mapped to bibliosubtitle.subtitle
13:06 gmcharlt    (or use XSLT ;-) )
13:07 jwagner     XSLT isn't an option in the staff side right now.
13:07 gmcharlt    doh
13:07 jwagner     I looked at the framework, but how do I tell it I want more than subfield b?
13:07 gmcharlt    it would currently concatenatte them
13:08 gmcharlt    Title : subtitle | second $b value | third $b value
13:08 owen        Now that we've got unimarc support in XSLT is there any reason not to use XSLT in the staff client?
13:09 jwagner     gmcharlt, so I could modify the subfield b in the 245, which now reads b  	 Remainder of title  	 Tab:2, | Koha field: bibliosubtitle.subtitle, Not repeatable, Not mandatory,
13:09 gmcharlt    yes
13:09 jwagner     or modify subfield h for the  Koha field: bibliosubtitle.subtitle part?
13:15 jwagner     Hrrmmmmm.  When I go into subfield b, Koha link is blank and there isn't a bibliosubtitle.subtitle option.  Setting that field for subfield h to biblio.title didn't seem to do anything.
13:25 ebegin      Morning!
13:25 ebegin      Isn't there a way to modify an SQL report once it is created?
13:25 gmcharlt    jwagner: the bibliiosubtitles thing is a actually a bit of a hack - you need to modify it via SQL
13:26 gmcharlt    ebegin: yep - chris did a patch for that in HEAD last month
13:26 jwagner     OK.  I'll have one of the SQL wizards take a look there, then.  Thanks much!
13:26 ebegin      gmcharlt, ok, thanks!
13:33 owen        gmcharlt: Is there a reason why we shouldn't be using XSLT in the staff client?
13:33 gmcharlt    owen: no particular reason, just never done
13:34 owen        I thought the argument previously was that there wasn't Unimarc support
13:35 gmcharlt    owen: it would have been syspreffed, presumably, like in the OPAC
13:35 gmcharlt    of course, there is a larger issue
13:36 gmcharlt    current framework-based approach does have the theoretical advantage
13:36 gmcharlt    of allowing data display customization without having to write XSLT
13:36 gmcharlt    so utlimately I think we want somethign that can help generate the XSLT
13:37 owen        How is the framework tied to the display on detail.pl? I thought it was all pretty much hard-coded.
13:37 gmcharlt    indirectly to specify which MARC fields populate the variables
13:38 gmcharlt    the $subtitle         = C4::Biblio::get_koha_field_from_marc('bibliosubtitle', 'subtitle', $record, '');
13:38 gmcharlt    example is assuming that something was mapped to the subtitle in the framework
13:40 owen        Ugh. Larger issues.
13:45 wizzyrea    even allowing editing of the xslt through the web interface would help a little
13:46 wizzyrea    just a little though
13:46 wizzyrea    or maybe there's a reason not to allow that
13:46 wizzyrea    that I don't know
13:46 wizzyrea    and hello.
13:46 wizzyrea    ;)
13:48 gmcharlt    woudl have to make sure that access to the editing the templates is reasonably secure
13:48 gmcharlt    but certainly not impossible
13:48 gmcharlt    the XSLT would be a special case though - since it's game over if there's a syntax error, woudl have to validate before letting a change be saved
13:49 gmcharlt    of course, there's also the version control issue :)
13:49 wizzyrea    hee, always
13:49 gmcharlt    but in principle, all of those are solvable problems
13:52 wizzyrea    idk, worth solving though, or find a completely different way to do?
13:53 gmcharlt    something different, perhaps - I'm leery of having XSLT *be* the main bib template customization language, at least not without a good front end
13:54 gmcharlt    while I think more librarians should be comfortable with it
13:54 gmcharlt    it is still rather verbose
13:54 wizzyrea    yea, in my mind it ought to be like building with legos, just snap it together in the order you want
13:55 wizzyrea    but you know, I"m simple like that :P
13:55 owen        Yeah, but remember digging through your huge box of legos looking for just the right one?
13:56 wizzyrea    yessir I do
13:56 owen        That is to say, Lego-brand building blocks ;)
13:56 wizzyrea    HA... please don't make the copyright police come get me >.<
13:56 wizzyrea    It's all backups I swear
13:58 owen        ...and the original DVDs are in the safe deposit box! I lost the key!
13:59 wizzyrea    ^.^ glad you're back, owen
13:59 gmcharlt    that's it - time for an audit - do you have all of your license documentation? </BSA>
13:59 wizzyrea    I use OSS, bite me
13:59 wizzyrea    :D
14:12 slef        ls
14:12 slef        oops
14:12 gmcharlt    aindillis
14:12 gmcharlt    atz
14:12 gmcharlt    brendan
14:12 gmcharlt    ...
14:12 gmcharlt    :)
14:13 gmcharlt    slef: re bug 3243, do you have another patch for the template to preserve the batch type, not just batch ID?
14:14 gmcharlt    slef: if not, I'll just do it myself in a sec
14:29 wizzyrea    oh, there's no staff user CSS?
14:29 wizzyrea    pref?
14:29 owen        Yeah, strange omission.
14:29 wizzyrea    hrm, is there a bug for that :P
14:29 wizzyrea    b/c it should be included
14:30 wizzyrea    would be an ez way to help customize the receipts
14:30 owen        Wait--that is assuming you don't mean intranetcolorstylesheet
14:30 owen        There isn't an analog to opacusercss
14:32 wizzyrea    http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2349
14:32 wizzyrea    the 2nd, analog to opacusercss
14:32 wizzyrea    but this would be yet another way to handle it
14:33 owen        Of course you can always re-purpose your intranetuserjs field ;)
14:33 owen        </script>
14:33 owen        <style>
14:33 owen        </style>
14:33 owen        <script>
14:33 wizzyrea    hmm
14:33 wizzyrea    <nub alert> not a tactic I've used before... will think about that
14:34 owen        It's not how it's "meant" to be used, but since you're just embedding HTML you've got free rein.
14:35 wizzyrea    so you're basically just escaping the script and starting it up again
14:35 gmcharlt    hi hdl_laptop
14:35 owen        wizzyrea: right
14:38 wizzyrea    you're so clever. I wouldn't have thought to do that ;P
14:42 owen        Feels kinda dirty--like SQL injection or something. But I think I can trust me.
14:43 wizzyrea    lulz
15:06 wizzyrea    owen: feels dirty, works great :D thanks
17:22 brendan     hello #koha - how's everyone doing today
17:22 pianohacker Good, busy; yourself?
17:23 brendan     hey pianohacker -- just finishing up at the Evergreen conference
17:23 pianohacker Oh, cool
17:23 pianohacker How'd that go?
17:23 brendan     good -- they've got a few neat little things coming out with there next release
17:23 pianohacker Do you have a link?
17:23 brendan     acq and serials (if all goes well for the developers
17:24 brendan     yeah -- I believe this is there public demo of their new stuff  -- one sec let me find it
17:24 pianohacker thanks
17:31 brendan     one sec pianohacker -- got distracted
17:33 brendan     acq.open-ils.org
17:34 brendan     you should be able to log in with username = admin   and password = open-ils
17:38 owen        I wonder if Evergreen gets crap from its users about requiring javascript
17:38 joetho      All systems get crap from users about *something*.
17:39 brendan     yup
17:39 joetho      I am looking at this evergreen deal,
17:39 joetho      and I am thinking: somewhere, somebody is mad about something in this ILS.
17:44 brendan     the nice thing that I see from this demo -- is that you can edit and add you're circ rules and other config stuff -- before (earlier releases) you had to edit xml and javascript files
17:44 joetho      earlier releases of evergreen, correct?
17:45 brendan     yes
17:45 brendan     and on their current release 1.4
17:46 joetho      I guess this login only allows ser/acq
17:47 pianohacker This feels very much like a conventional ILS; nested interfaces, obscure terminology ("circulation modifiers"?)
17:47 joetho      and a great big sigh, because I should be back hacking away at my koha reports.
17:47 joetho      although there is lots to be learnt from other ILS, particularly this one.
17:48 brendan     yup always something to learn
17:49 wizzyrea    joetho: what reports are you working on?
17:49 joetho      and this acq module doesn't look all that usable.
17:50 pianohacker joetho: learn from as in avoid or work towards? :)
17:50 joetho      liz: ones that either crash or timeout.
17:50 wizzyrea    icwutudidthar
17:50 joetho      jesse: both
17:51 wizzyrea    custom or canned?
17:51 joetho      where? on my system? ARE YOU IN MY SYSTEM??
17:51 wizzyrea    simma! No!
17:51 joetho      I don't nose around in yours. OK OK OK, I do, but I am very careful.
17:52 wizzyrea    ha. This explains why we think we have a ghost in the machine
17:52 joetho      do you have another chat client or name at your fingertips?
17:53 wizzyrea    I sent u a pm
17:54 joetho      k, gchat in 2 min ?
17:57 wizzyrea    sure
18:03 joetho      snort. Some nerds WE are. I just had to reinstall mine.
18:08 wizzyrea    up late with the kiddo eh, chris?
18:09 chris       naw, wind woke me up, its 6am
18:09 joetho      liz: gchat?
18:09 joetho      you forgot already, didn't you.
18:10 wizzyrea    noooooooo
18:11 schuster    wizzyrea - have you updated to the latest update patch from LibLime yet? .14?
18:11 wizzyrea    schuster: checking... if yes, only on our test environs
18:11 joetho      I wish liblime would do that without us asking
18:12 pianohacker Be back soon, time to sit in a different chair and work on Koha
18:12 schuster    OK - we updated last night our production and I didn't catch this bug in the test environment http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3166
18:12 schuster    rounding problem with multiple lines.  There is a patch, but now I need to wait for the next patch update to get it...
18:13 wizzyrea    I bet if you hassle them they'd do it early >.>
18:13 wizzyrea    schuster: I think we're actually ahead of you
18:14 wizzyrea    3.0100033 is what our test environs says
18:14 schuster    We'll we found it today as school is closing down and kids are paying their fines!  I've started to hassle...
18:14 wizzyrea    (and we only have 3 fining libraries)
18:14 schuster    WOW!  you are way ahead, but you have that custom holds stuff so that is probably why...
18:14 gmcharlt    the default messaging prefs patchset, actually
18:15 wizzyrea    ... sorry gmcharlt...
18:25 schuster    We need a LibLime discussion place for those of us that are ONLY LibLime customers to chat...  I don't like airing dirty laundry here...
18:26 owen        We've been mostly and happily bug free since our last update
18:26 owen        They hit all the biggies following our upgrade
18:27 atz         schuster: we have a #liblimequestions channel on freenode
18:27 atz         typically only wel populated during training sessions
18:27 atz         *well
18:38 atz         gmcharlt: split out my cleanup patch and combined it w/ the inapplicable one from earlier
18:38 atz         should be good to go on HEAD now
18:38 wizzyrea    what would be the best way to report on items that haven't circulated?
18:39 gmcharlt    atz: cool
18:39 atz         wizzyrea: there's an existing report for stale items, i think
18:39 wizzyrea    atz: interesting... i'll go look for it
18:40 gmcharlt    wizzyrea: also, select * from items where issues is null or issues = 0 # if you're looking for the truly hopeless items like DOS 6.1 manuals
18:42 wizzyrea    best... example... ever
18:43 gmcharlt    although it's sobering to think that there are lots of public libraries (and ones not specializing in computer history) that still have such beasts
18:43 gmcharlt    (and acadmic and special libraries too, of course)
18:47 chris       well it was the last good OS release from miscrosoft
18:47 brendan     hehe
18:49 gmcharlt    google++ # nice logo today
18:50 chris       ohh 143/kmph no wonder the wind woke me up
18:50 gmcharlt    !
18:51 gmcharlt    don't you tend to end up with kittens, children, and small cows platered to the walls with wind speeds like that?
18:52 chris       heh suprisingly not, wellington gets winds around that speed pretty much every year
18:52 owen        If you look outside and see a technicolor candy-toting midget, you know it was serious.
18:52 chris       usually a fence or 2 blows over, maybe some powerlines
18:55 chris       http://metservice.co.nz/public/maps/tasman-sea-nz-infrared-latest.html  damn you swirly cloud thingy!!
19:03 wizzyrea    that's what, 60ish mph?
19:03 gmcharlt    89 mph
19:04 wizzyrea    yea, that's extreme even for us kansans
19:04 chris       well its gusts, not like a tornado thing
19:04 chris       we dont get continious winds at that speed, but we get gusts
19:09 owen        WolframAlpha responds to 143 kmph with "88.86 mph" and "~ speed at which Marty McFly needs to drive the Delorean in order to time travel"
19:14 chris       heh
19:14 chris       awesom
19:15 chris       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzNY4NH1TQg
19:26 chris       that will undermine the have kohacon in wellington bid :-)
19:26 gmcharlt    conference organizers will provide wind anchors?
19:27 chris       we can all tether together :)
19:30 chris       russel is in the south island mountain biking today ... i bet he is having fun in this weather
19:42 pianohacker atz: I noticed that you've been doing a lot of cleanup work lately. Do you have a secret agenda in mind?
19:42 atz         pianohacker: i'm implementing granular permissions
19:42 atz         so i'm having to touch everything anyway
19:43 atz         not very secret, there should be RFC's out there (and more coming, probably)
19:44 atz         so much of the reports are just blind copy/paste
19:46 wizzyrea    owen: lol@marty mcfly
19:48 wizzyrea    owen: the intranetuserjs thing we talked about earlier was epic win
19:51 owen        Cool. Whatcha doin'?
20:09 wizzyrea    trivial things really, but things that mean I don't have to maintain the template
20:21 pianohacker atz: (Sorry, have been distracted) When I finally get around to redoing ajaxcirc, this'll make my life much easier, thank you
20:21 pianohacker brb
20:21 atz         np
20:22 chris       hmm i hear yells of "daddy" time to go get the little one up
20:31 schuster    wizzyrea - ok intranetuserjs thing - explain?
20:33 owen        schuster: She was asking whether there was an intranet analogue to the OPAC's OPACUserCSS system pref
20:33 owen        There isn't, but I suggested she push the boundaries of the intranetuserjs pref to accomplish the same thing
20:37 gmcharlt    owen: lazyweb - in the OPAC CSS, is there a class for a "dialog warning" or the like? e.g., something more insistant than a "dialog message" div
20:37 owen        gmcharlt: Yes, the same as in the staff client. "dialog alert"
20:38 gmcharlt    nm - "dialog alert" is what I'm lokoing for
20:38 schuster    Ok owen sorry I don't know this well enough yet to know what she would use it for so I will wait for the next conference when she presents on it!
20:38 gmcharlt    owen: thanks
21:09 wizzyrea    schuster: I wanted to do some styling to the receipts, but there was no place to put custom CSS
21:09 wizzyrea    in the sysprefs
21:10 wizzyrea    so owen suggested a way around that pref omission
21:10 wizzyrea    quite ingenious, actually
21:11 schuster    Ya know when someone puts their hands over their head and flaps the fingers???  waon waon woan....  Charlie Brown.. ;) have a great weekend everyone I'm outa here.
21:13 wizzyrea    doh... sigh. I'm no genius. I stand on the shoulders of giants.
21:14 wizzyrea    actually more like "teeter precariously"
21:17 chris       heh
21:17 chris       that would be an awesome badge
21:17 chris       actually i may use that for my job title
21:17 chris       Chris Cormack "Precarious teeterer"
21:19 wizzyrea    LOL
21:20 wizzyrea    it's like an AA meeting "Hi, I'm Liz Rea. I teeter precariously on the shoulders of giants."
21:20 wizzyrea    all: Hi Liz
21:21 chris       hehe
21:21 pianohacker "Hi, I'm Jesse Weaver. I have a masochistic urge to bang my head against the admin codebase."
21:21 wizzyrea    Hi, Jesse!
21:21 chris       heh
21:21 wizzyrea    and we love you for it
21:22 pianohacker Ahh, but that nice van with padded walls outside looks so comfortable
21:22 wizzyrea    gmcharlt: there are a few terminology suggestions I think I"m going to make on the messaging enhancement, but it's stuff I think I can fix and submit myself
21:23 wizzyrea    now that you've pushed that on
21:23 gmcharlt    wizzyrea: ok - note that there are a couple additional patches that you don't have yet in your testing database to fix minor issues
21:23 wizzyrea    okie
21:23 gmcharlt    one Safari-related, the other a concession to users who don't want to sit in contemplation of a blank page
21:24 wizzyrea    !!
21:24 wizzyrea    IE users?
21:24 wizzyrea    kidding, kidding.
21:24 gmcharlt    no, IE users just get shown a screen telling them to download FF already
21:24 chris       gmcharlt: the zen koha interface :)
21:25 wizzyrea    I so did that today. Had a page of html snippets that just... would... not... work... in IE
21:25 chris       empty your mind like this page is empty
21:25 wizzyrea    I said screw it, made it pretty much plain text
21:25 chris       then you will reach catalogue enlightenment
21:25 wizzyrea    Ommmmmm
21:26 wizzyrea    I'm feeling better already, all the IE rage is just melting away
21:26 chris       heh
21:29 pianohacker A flamethrower sounds like a more satisfying way to solve the problem, but zen probably involves less jail time
21:34 chris       unless you live in tibe
21:34 chris       t
21:34 pianohacker Hehe
21:34 chris       ohh political humour on a saturday morning <-- bad chris
21:35 gmcharlt    does it make a difference that it's still Friday evening overseas? ;)
21:36 chris       oh yeah, thats alright then
21:42 brendan     later all -- going out for some dinner...
21:51 wizzyrea    ok, I'm giving up and going home. Thanks everybody for another great week on Koha.
23:05 pianohacker good night
00:14 ryan        yay, the weekend finally makes it to western U.S. !
01:54 brendan     night all sleep well
03:08 chris       hmm i must show eric screen
10:23 ron_        crickey, someone needs to fix their irc client