Time Nick Message 12:04 ebegin what is the best git tutorial you ever read? :) 12:45 schuster Morning all! 12:46 jwagner Morning schuster! 13:12 hdl_laptop ebegin: about git.... 13:12 hdl_laptop http://delicious.com/laurenthdl/git 13:12 ebegin great! merci! 14:29 wizzyrea hdl: thanks for the git tips, and for the help a couple of days ago was just what I needed to know 14:51 rhcl Hi Paul 17:43 ebegin what are the differences between 3.00.01 stable, stable-update , .005? 17:44 gmcharlt hdl learning how to tag releases :) 17:44 gmcharlt seriously, v3.00.01-stable_update is the true tag for 3.0.1 17:45 gmcharlt v3.00.01.005 amounts to the beta for 3.0.1 17:45 gmcharlt v3.00.01-stable is essentially an oops 17:45 ebegin :) 17:46 ebegin thanks 17:57 pianohacker I wonder if there's a name for the feeling of discovering that 12-point Times New Roman is much smaller than 12-point DejaVu Serif when trying to hit three pages on an essay 18:08 gmcharlt pianohacker: use longer words 18:08 pianohacker heh 18:13 ebegin I'm looking for the page telling how to upgrade from a version to another when using the single install mode. Is thatan existing page? :) 18:15 gmcharlt perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log 18:15 gmcharlt make 18:15 gmcharlt make test 18:15 gmcharlt sudo make upgrade 18:16 ebegin thanks. I'll try to find a place to write that down on the wiki... 18:17 ebegin I guess that it's the same for the standard install? 18:17 ebegin Is there any performance drawback when we use the dev mode? 18:18 atz ebegin: no, it's the same code 18:19 ebegin so their notsignificant hit incured by the symbolic links? 18:27 ebegin Does the upgrade process can go from 3.00.00 to the soon to come 3.00.02 or it is suggested to do the upgrades one after the other? 18:42 gmcharlt the upgrade should be able to handle 3.0.0 -> 3.0.2 directly 18:45 pianohacker brb 18:50 wizzyrea oh poor pianohacker 18:53 gmcharlt well, now that he's away, we can go ahead and talk about the *reams* of writing one has to do *after* one leaves school ;) 18:58 wizzyrea gmcharlt: *swoon* over the messaging stuff 18:58 wizzyrea just so you know, you won't get any hassles about it (in terms of if we find any bugs) until next week 18:58 wizzyrea there are a couple of template changes I might suggest/make, but so far <super awesome thumbs up> 18:58 gmcharlt you mean nobody is devoting their weekend to testing it? ;) 18:59 wizzyrea lol, it's the 'give poor gmcharlt a break from one small source of hassle for a couple of days' sentiment 19:47 chris morning 19:47 ebegin hi chris! 19:48 ebegin What a time to get out of bed. It's mid afternoon over here :) 19:50 chris im not out of bed, im typing quietly on the laptop so as to not wake the rest of the family early on saturday morning :) 19:55 rhcl Hi Chris 20:08 thd Are any tables using authorised_value filled as part of the installation process? 20:11 ebegin Framework are using them 20:12 thd ebegin: yes, but for the frameworks to use them they must be populated 20:12 thd ebegin: What populates them on installation? 20:13 ebegin The default Framework is using authorized_value 20:14 thd ebegin: The authorised_value identifies a particular authorised value list. How are the lists populated on installation? 20:18 ebegin They are populated by the auth_val.sql file located in the <koha_installer>/installer/data/mysql/en/optional dir 20:19 ebegin This file can be choosen or not during the web installer, one of the optional component 20:20 thd ebegin: Have you done any UNIMARC installations? 20:22 ebegin nope. the unimarc version of this file should be in data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obligatoire/authorised_values.sql 20:22 ebegin well, the french one, though 20:23 thd ebegin: Yet there is no such file that I found in git 20:25 gmcharlt installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/marcflavour/unimarc_lecture_pub/Obligatoire/framework_DEFAULT.sql 20:25 ebegin http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=tree;f=installer/data/mysql;h=d89f29401d6ae3a91f78e97eb320173ec275e00a;hb=HEAD 20:30 ebegin thd, note that this is in the installer, not the installed version. 20:33 thd gmcharlt, ebegin: thank you. There is nothing for authorised_values in the unimarc_complet framework. 20:37 thd the unimarc_complet framework calls some authorised_value lists which are never populated unless the user adds them 20:37 thd fredericd: are you there? 20:39 ebegin thd: 995$o uses the ETAT authorised_value 20:40 fredericd thd: yes 20:40 thd fredericd: the unimarc_complet framework calls some authorised_value lists which are never populated unless the user adds them 20:40 fredericd I'm afraid you're correct 20:40 thd fredericd: We should fix that 20:41 fredericd UNIMARC frameword and linked data (authorised values) are not at the same level as MARC21 framrwork 20:42 thd I also noticed some value builder scripts which are not being called in any French UNIMARC framework 20:42 ebegin Aren't authorised_value added by by the Web Install, IF the user selects it? 20:42 thd ebegin: yes, but none are added for unimarc_complet 20:43 fredericd ebegin: There is no .sql file for authorized values 20:43 fredericd You have to populate them by hand 20:44 gmcharlt fredericd: is that desired by your users for some reason? 20:45 thd fredericd: gmcharlt found that for unimarc_lecture_pub there is some code to add a few authorised value lists as part of the default bibliographic framework SQL file 20:45 fredericd gmcharlt: I wouldn't say that. We have to add those values for each installation. This could be seen has a feature for some authorized values list like ETAT (french version of NOTFORLOAN) 20:46 fredericd But for author function, it should be added to default installation 20:46 ebegin fredericd, there is one in my installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obligatoire directory... weird... don't you have it? authorised_values.sql 20:47 thd gmcharlt: I think it reflected the thinking of paul at one time that configuration was largely a task for the librarian 20:47 thd gmcharlt: I do not think that paul believes that should be quite so true any longer 20:48 fredericd thd: You're correct. 20:49 fredericd /installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/unimarc is also obsolete and should be removed 20:49 gmcharlt as the number of Koha's config options grows, the need for well-chosen defaults increases 20:49 thd gmcharlt: actually, until mid 2006 the default French UNIMARC installation did much more for the user by default than MARC 21 but MARC 21 caught up 20:55 thd fredericd: does ETAT mean the 'state' of the loan? 20:59 ebegin thd, in the file, the different value of the ETAT are the same than the NOT_LOAN auth value of MARC 21:02 thd ebegin: In which file? 21:03 ebegin the authorised_value.sql file that, for an unknown reason, is on my machine but not in displayed in git.koha.org, even if I cloned it this morning... :-/ 21:03 fredericd It's not populated by web installer. 21:04 fredericd Some fields in MARC21 framework have been linked to authorised value lists which have have no UNIMARC equivalent 21:05 fredericd I suppose that MARC21 'team' has introduced new item-level functionnalities without coordination with UNIMARC 'team' 21:06 chris i think the teams should play football and the winner becomes the ultimate MARC champion 21:06 ebegin Oh! the authorised_value was removed sint 3.00.01 was released... That why I have it 21:06 fredericd Those fields-authosied values: SUGGEST, LOST, CCODE, DAMAGED, WITHDRAWN, NOT_LOAN 21:07 ebegin s/sint/since 21:07 fredericd footbal vs soccer 21:07 fredericd I don't even know how to spell football 21:08 ebegin Try hockey, it's simpler :) 21:11 thd we need better coordination or documentation for programmers 21:12 chris both 21:12 chris always 21:12 chris for everything 21:12 chris :) 21:14 fredericd team spirit rather than individualism :) 21:14 fredericd good night! 21:15 chris have a good weekend fredericd 21:15 ebegin bye fred 21:19 thd good night fredericd 21:20 chris so heres a leftfield idea, the linuxconf.au people have a neat idea where they run a partners/wives/husbands/kids programme alongside the conference programme 21:20 pianohacker That sounds interesting. What's involved? 21:20 chris i was thinking if we do do kohacon10 in NZ that we should organise the same kinda thing 21:21 wizzyrea chris: best idea ever 21:21 chris so that if you are gonna come all the way, bring the family 21:21 gmcharlt chris++ 21:22 gmcharlt although my wife would just join the main program :) 21:22 chris that works too :) 21:22 gmcharlt btw, I just asked her, and she fully supports KohaCon10 in NZ :) 21:23 chris at linuxconf.au 2006 in dunedin, they had organised things like buses to go visit the seal colony and albatross colony 21:23 chris those kinda things 21:23 wizzyrea for the record, so does Mr. Wizzyrea and Wizzyrea Jr. 21:23 wizzyrea though 18 hours on a plane with spud doesn't sound so appealing but I'd suffer through for NZ 21:24 chris hehe 21:24 chris the trick is timing the flight 21:24 chris the long one is la to auckland 21:24 chris 13 hours 21:24 brendan chris - I propose a bus trip to weta digital! 21:24 chris so try to get one thta takes off at round 7pm 21:25 chris then hopefully spud sleeps the flight 21:25 chris (its worked for us) 21:25 chris brendan: definitely, the weta cave would be on the list 21:25 wizzyrea b rendan ++ 21:25 wizzyrea oh that's genius 21:25 brendan but then I wouldn't be at the conference - I'd be playing with golum 21:25 chris heh 21:27 chris http://www.wotzon.com/eventlisting.php?event_id=5022809 21:27 chris there's usually something fun going on at the weta cave 21:27 chris ppl can do the walking tour of rivendell too, if they are lotr fans 21:28 brendan nice -- ok I already got my tickets and the bags are packed ! 21:28 chris heh 21:30 wizzyrea LOL 21:32 chris http://www.penguinsvisiting.org.nz/programme/partners_programme 21:32 chris seeings i work with a bunch of people organising this 21:32 chris ill probably copy lots of their ideas :) 21:36 chris jo from hlt is keen to help out with organisational ideas, i might talk to her about us writing a proposal up 22:04 rhcl Weekend! 23:03 pianohacker 'night 09:48 chris hi hdl_laptop 09:48 hdl_laptop hi chris 11:20 eiro ok .. je vire la backup sauvage d'averroes sur descartes 11:20 eiro ca va soulager