Time Nick Message 10:39 chris night all 10:33 chris cool 10:32 Amit chris: some correction made to be done i will send u 10:32 chris thank you 10:30 Amit chris: i will send u po files 10:30 Amit ok 10:28 chris the po file here is untranslated 10:28 chris amit: http://translate.koha.org/prs/opac3_0/index.html 10:13 honey hi 10:13 Amit hi honey 10:08 kf hi hdl and Amit 10:08 Amit hi kf 10:08 hdl_laptop hi kf 10:06 Amit chris: but i think .po is on the pootle itself 10:06 Amit ok 10:00 chris cool, if you could send me the .po file when you have time ill add it 09:57 Amit please check this 09:57 Amit chris: http://72.14.185.116/ 09:18 chris ahh good old rick strikes again 08:11 hdl_laptop hi chris. 08:11 chris evening reed and hdl_laptop 07:28 mason ok, gotta scram for the 7:30.. 07:27 mason cooly cool 07:27 chris all good at the moment, its all calm again 07:25 mason chris: hows laurel doing? 07:25 chris cya mason 07:24 kf but reading is one thing, today I have to write my answers 07:24 mason me heads home.. 07:23 chris :) 07:23 kf finally 07:18 chris all caught up on emails kf? 07:18 kf hi chris :) and all #koha 07:16 nahuel héhé :) 07:15 chris oh, and i meant to say 'hi nahuel and kf' before .. see sleep deprived :) 07:14 chris of course im sleep deprived and may be talking rubbish :) 07:13 chris and could be updated between releases also 07:13 chris then it wouldnt need to be selected at install time 07:12 chris id like to get the frameworks to be able to use .po files 07:09 thd s/mode,l/model,/ 07:08 thd _eric_b: Under the present SQL mode,l you could write a script to repopulate the language label columns in the SQL files which build the MARC frameworks 07:01 thd _eric_b: It might be easier and would certainly be more useful to redesign how the MARC frameworks are implemented and function 06:58 _eric_b the language would still be selected at the install time, though 06:54 _eric_b I would like to make the framework translatable :) 06:53 _eric_b chris, could it be easy to add a part of a .sql file in the translation engine? 06:53 nahuel hi chris 06:53 chris hi nicomo and kf 06:53 nahuel hi all 06:53 nahuel hi brendan :) 06:42 Amit ok 06:42 chris Amit: we dont have the marc frameworks translatable in pootle yet 06:42 chris nicomo: not yet 06:41 chris you wouldnt, its only the templates 06:41 Amit chris: how i would search marc21 tag in koha pootle for ex: 001-Control number 06:39 nicomo salut _eric_b 06:39 nicomo chris: i guess your being here means that wasn't the day yet, right? 06:39 _eric_b bonjour nico 06:38 nicomo hi chris and all 06:38 chris hi nicomo 06:32 chris heh 06:30 _eric_b chris "the machine" Cormack ;) 06:30 chris its easier that way, otherwise we might end up with all sorts of mess 06:29 chris _eric_b: yeah, im the only one who can :) 06:29 _eric_b Anyway, your the one who knows ;) I don't mind receiving an email by you or by a machine... 06:29 chris ok 06:29 Amit chris; translation work is on progress 06:29 _eric_b No extra when YOU add new strings :) 06:28 chris and it only happens once or twice between each release 06:28 chris _eric_b: so firing off an email isnt much extra 06:27 Amit k 06:27 chris _eric_b: well i have to add the new strings anyway :) 06:27 Amit means 06:27 chris Amit: hmm i dont see any suggestions either 06:26 _eric_b Ok. Could be nice to find a way to do it automatically though... at least, nice for you :) 06:26 chris anytime new strings are added 06:25 chris i will email koha-translate 06:25 chris if so, i will email the savitras, and get him to accept them 06:25 _eric_b fr_CA is 100% atm, so I want to know if other string are added. 06:25 _eric_b Is there a way to get notify when new strings are added and need to be translated? 06:24 _eric_b Hi chris. 06:24 chris and it still says lots to be translated .. are they all suggestions? 06:24 chris but i thought you said you had finished 06:23 chris no need to download from there, thats what goes into koha 06:23 Amit u can also download po file from there( work is on progress) 06:22 Amit chris: i have already work on http://translate.koha.org/prs/opac3_0/ 06:21 Amit good night chris 06:18 chris good night brendan 06:17 Amit i will send u 06:17 Amit ok 06:17 brendan Good night all -- I need a good night sleep 06:15 chris and then they will go into the next release of koha 06:15 chris if you send me your translated .po files ill upload them here 06:15 chris Amit: http://translate.koha.org/prs/ 06:08 brendan heya nahuel 05:31 Amit chris: http://pazpardemo.osslabs.biz/pazpar2/jsdemo/ 04:18 chris cool 04:16 Amit chris: i think today i m completed my dari translation 04:14 Amit delhi is on top 04:14 Amit chris:http://www.iplt20.com/ 04:13 Amit mason: now it's open 03:54 mason ok for me too.. 03:37 Amit_G chris it's opening git.koha.org 03:31 chris fine for me 03:31 Amit_G hi i think git.koha.org site is down 03:24 Amit_G hi mason 03:24 Amit_G brendan: I am Amit 03:24 mason morning peoples 03:24 Amit_G hi i m amit 03:23 brendan heya Amit_G - who is amit 03:23 Amit_G good morning 03:23 Amit_G hi brendan, chris, mason 22:59 gmcharlt and script could take care of patching koha-conf.xml 22:59 gmcharlt Makefile.PL can handle creating new directories 22:14 pianohacker How would you manage upgrades, though? 21:39 pianohacker Should be manageable 21:39 pianohacker in installer.pl, with the right permissions? 21:38 gmcharlt instead, I suppose we can create a new standard subdirectory for it 21:38 gmcharlt but I thnk it should never default to File::Spec->tmpdir 21:38 gmcharlt I think koha-conf.xml is better 21:37 pianohacker Should this be an "optional security" thing? That is, have a syspref or koha-conf.xml option 'resource_cache_dir' that defaults to File::Spec->tmpdir , but can be changed for shared or untrusted environments? 21:35 atz so basically a "we heart stacks" protest 21:35 gmcharlt and I'd have thought it would have been about Elsevier sullying its reputation as an arms dealer by publishing fake medical journals ;) 21:35 atz it sounded like it was conjoined w/ the redesign claiming what used to be "shelf space" for other purposes 21:34 atz yeah 21:34 gmcharlt but surprisingly large for an actually in-person protest about electronic journals 21:34 atz "24 people have found the library" 21:34 atz not much out of a 50,000+ person institution 21:34 chris wow .. 24 ... thats ... huge???? 21:33 atz "24 protesters gathered..." 21:33 atz yes 21:33 gmcharlt seriously? 21:33 atz odd..... 21:33 atz hrm... radio is reporting on protesters at Ohio St. library going w/ electronic journals over print 21:33 gmcharlt i.e., even you were going to use /tmp, that's not cross-platform 21:32 gmcharlt except, of course, when it isn't, if the windows port ever gets revived 21:32 atz i can install koha wherever in my tree, but /tmp is always the same 21:31 atz pianohacker: except that the directory is not known ahead of time 21:31 pianohacker atz: True, though that's a problem with any cache directory, really 21:31 atz that's a good start, but doesn't help if everything (and 100 other CGIs) are all running as httpd 21:30 pianohacker One solution I thought of was to make sure the file is rw------- 21:30 gmcharlt and 2) locking down access to that directory as much as possible 21:30 gmcharlt about 1) not spewing an indefinitely amount of stuff into it 21:29 pianohacker Yes 21:29 gmcharlt and be careful 21:29 gmcharlt that Koha CGI scripts would have write access to 21:29 gmcharlt typical solution is to define a cache directory 21:28 pianohacker Hrm, that is a problem 21:27 atz what's going to keep another process from overwriting your file with, say, a 2GB binary 21:26 atz it's a security thing 21:26 pianohacker Why not? 21:26 pianohacker atz: Well, that's good to know 21:26 atz pianohacker: serving anything from /tmp is *not* recommended 21:09 chris ok heading into work now 21:01 chris it can do it a lot faster than apache can 21:01 chris you get a decent speed win just by using nginx to serve the js and images 21:01 chris *nod* 20:59 pianohacker If we stored the css in a way so that both Koha and nginx could read it, then had a "StaticFilesHost" or similar syspref, I think that would make it easy enough to choose whichever approach worked better for you 20:58 chris but in large installs yes 20:58 pianohacker Yeah, it would have to be optional 20:58 pianohacker That would be especially helpful for large OPACs 20:58 chris course now you are making it super hard to get going :) 20:57 chris and apache to do the rest 20:57 chris you could use nginx to serve the static files and css 20:57 chris nginx can serve directly from memcached 20:57 chris the big trick is 20:57 chris yeah 20:56 pianohacker If the generated css is cached in /tmp and removed by the interface customization screen, it should speed it up enough until we get a Koha-wide caching system prepared 20:56 pianohacker I'll just have to benchmark it 20:55 wizzyrea but speedier is better 20:54 wizzyrea that's true, except the human clock cycles you spend scrolling past the things you don't use might make up for that 20:53 pianohacker *away 20:53 gmcharlt i.e., there's no point in fine-tuning of the layout of the form for usability if it becomes too slow 20:53 pianohacker But perhaps you just want the initials field to go aawy 20:53 wizzyrea yea, I'm not so sure about that 20:53 pianohacker Maybe 20:53 gmcharlt I think that if you care enough to customize the patron editing form, you likely are entering enough patron records that you want it to be pretty snappy 20:53 wizzyrea gmcharlt: i saw it the same as pianohacker 20:52 pianohacker gmcharlt: I'd probably start by making it branch-wide 20:52 gmcharlt also, do you make that a user-level preference or database-wdie 20:52 wizzyrea BUT... it's not the circ screen, it's less important that it loads super fast 20:51 wizzyrea the speed thing occurred to me as well 20:49 chris and then serve the static files 20:49 chris so maybe we need to have a way to regen the css from the staff interface 20:49 pianohacker Might have to wait for memcached, depending on the speed hit 20:49 pianohacker True 20:49 richard hi 20:49 chris but it will slow things down 20:49 chris i like in principle 20:47 wizzyrea that's the basic idea, yea 20:47 pianohacker Difficult to think on no sleep 20:46 pianohacker Auto-generated css, from a rules table 20:45 chris using css to control the layout of the add patron screen? 20:43 chris hmm ill scroll back 20:40 pianohacker chris, gmcharlt: did you see earlier discussion about css customization? 20:36 wizzyrea brb... technical difficulties must reboot (stuck CD) 20:32 wizzyrea hee! 20:32 chris yeah, we figure give him a pile, and he can pick one when he is older hehe 20:32 wizzyrea it's a pretty awesome name though 20:32 chris James comes from my granddad 20:31 chris Lee is her mothers maiden name 20:31 wizzyrea That's a mouthful 20:31 chris Barr is laurels surname 20:31 chris Kahurangi James Lee Barr Cormack 20:31 chris have i told you kahu's full name with all his middle names? 20:30 wizzyrea that's awesome though 20:30 wizzyrea wow no kidding 20:29 chris Te Manaia o Rotokoutuku 20:29 chris his full name is a mouthful :) 20:27 wizzyrea Manaia, that is a pretty name 20:26 wizzyrea LOL 20:26 chris they have conversatiosn taht consist entirely of "yes" "no" "no" "yes" "yes yes yes" "NOOOO" 20:25 chris kahu is stubborn, but sometimes contrary too, usually with his cousin manaia 20:23 wizzyrea well *my* kid is persistent, anyway. Instead of 'stubborn' or 'contrary' 20:23 chris heh 20:22 wizzyrea I call it 'persistent' 20:22 wizzyrea oi! 20:22 chris contrary already too :) 20:21 wizzyrea lol, not a shy one, eh/ 20:20 gmcharlt wizzyrea: congrats! 20:18 brendan yes wizzyrea congrats 20:18 chris wizzyrea: congrats :) 20:18 chris so typical of our children, at the 36 week scan .. you couldnt not see :) 20:17 brendan wow -- invest in some boxing gloves ;) 20:17 chris after we couldnt tell at the 20 week scan we decided we didnt want to know 20:17 chris boy 20:17 brendan chris - do you know if it's another boy or a girl? 20:15 wizzyrea I'll have a new nephew tomorrow :D 20:13 chris practice :) 20:13 chris hehe yes 20:13 gmcharlt new baby's trying to keep you two awake even before it's born 20:11 chris status updated, contractions have gone away, looks like false alarm this time 18:51 wizzyrea +current content 18:51 wizzyrea I could kind of see a thing like the edit theme files menu, with a list of all editable preferences that you click to get their boxes 18:49 pianohacker That is quite nice 18:49 pianohacker Ah, I see it 18:46 wizzyrea not sure it would work with the way you proposed but in my experience it's a fairly easily learned interface 18:45 wizzyrea imo 18:45 wizzyrea and the coolest part is the widget interface 18:44 wizzyrea from there you can edit the template files (probably not something you'd want to allow in the case of koha but I could see it in the context of the OPACNav type prefs) 18:43 wizzyrea WP has a Design/Appearance menu that holds all (most, anyway) of the design elements 18:43 pianohacker A very little bit. I do have an abandoned wordpress.com blog I could poke at, if you mention something from it 18:42 wizzyrea are you familiar with wordpress at all? 18:41 pianohacker Actually, some of those would fit in perfectly 18:41 pianohacker Yup 18:41 wizzyrea the OPACNav, OPAC CSS, etc 18:41 wizzyrea idk, it's just a thought 18:41 pianohacker Yeah, maybe 18:41 wizzyrea might make a little more sense? 18:40 pianohacker Hmm 18:40 wizzyrea pianohacker: if you're going to make a customize interface screen, you could take all of those sysprefs and park them there 18:29 pianohacker What a nightmare that was 18:29 pianohacker I remember trying to customise the Docbook XSLT stylesheets to have something approaching aesthetics 18:24 wizzyrea ./facedesk 18:24 wizzyrea iknorite 18:23 pianohacker Oh man, XSLT 18:23 pianohacker wizzyrea: cool 18:22 wizzyrea guess that's a cleanup project I could undertake lol 18:22 wizzyrea esp since they're hard coded. 18:22 wizzyrea wizzyrea + xslt != fun and == much swearing 18:21 wizzyrea jwagner: I wrestle with the same thing every day lol 18:21 wizzyrea pianohacker: yea, exactly! 18:20 jwagner wizzyrea, I want the same thing (decide which fields, what order) for the bib record display! 18:18 pianohacker Does that make sense? 18:18 pianohacker Then the only remaining part would be something that took those rules and generated CSS automatically for each page 18:18 pianohacker (or even patron categories or itemtypes) 18:18 pianohacker If we have an administration screen for "Customize interface" that could create a table with rules for each branch, screen and interface item 18:17 wizzyrea hm, I see where you're going with this I think 18:17 wizzyrea yea, that is true 18:17 pianohacker So, if we give each field or line a unique id (which they might already have, in fact), they can be hidden by CSS 18:17 wizzyrea the order can be dealt with 18:16 wizzyrea well the 1st is probably much more important 18:16 pianohacker I have an idea that might fix the first problem, though not the second 18:15 wizzyrea kind of like Wordpress's widget interface, but not necessarily ajax 18:15 pianohacker Hrm 18:15 wizzyrea I still really want the ability to select exactly what fields show (and in what order!) on the add patron screen. ^.^ 18:12 jwagner OK, thanks. It ties in with some other development, so I'll noodle it around some more. 18:09 wizzyrea I think we hid that field entirely 18:09 pianohacker jwagner: Probably not, but you might want to send a message to koha-devel 18:09 jwagner Yes, I could do the label via jquery. Wanted to check about displaying the initials, if that would be a problem for anyone. 18:09 wizzyrea it's own thing 18:09 pianohacker Yup 18:09 wizzyrea It would probably be more like the circ rules pages 18:08 pianohacker Not quite as user-friendly, but even with my new editor the sysprefs screen is already a morass 18:08 pianohacker May I vote for CSS instead? 18:08 pianohacker Hrm 18:07 wizzyrea Here's what I think: instead of relabeling, you ought to be able to choose exactly what you see on your add patron screen in the sysprefs 18:06 jwagner Sorry, was off on another screen. I have a request to move the middle initial up a line in the patron edit screen (to follow first name) and to show it on the patron results list and display page. Would this be a problem? I can make it obey a syspref. 17:43 pianohacker So a muddy "Yes, we do use it for something different" 17:43 pianohacker But it looks like our circ staff has not been doing that 17:42 pianohacker jwagner: When I imported our borrower data, I set it to the full initials of the person (like JMF or GMC) 17:26 jwagner New topic for folks: I asked earlier for people in early (relative to me) timezones, repeating for later logins -- question about patron registration. Do any sites (esp non-US sites) use the initials field in the patron record for other than middle initials, like Q in John Q. Public? I'm contemplating a minor screen change/relabelling, and don't know whether to keep it local or send to community. 17:26 pianohacker Hehe 17:26 gmcharlt pianohacker: getting Koha in use on all 7 continents doesn't seem quite ambitious enough :) 17:25 gmcharlt can't reach Mars, but I wonder if the ISS has a library that needs a catalog? 17:25 gmcharlt give me a trillion dollars, and anything is possible ;) 17:23 wizzyrea well... 17:23 wizzyrea "but why can't it put a man on mars?" 17:23 wizzyrea our meetings are very entertaining sometimes 17:22 wizzyrea if you heard some of the ways they wanted to do things here... oi. You'd laugh. 17:21 _eric_b btw, we are also using MARC over here. 17:21 gmcharlt but actually coding for UNIMARC users I would leave to the UNIMARC experts 17:21 gmcharlt e.g., I'll try to make sure that something won't break UNIMARC support, for example 17:21 gmcharlt and obviously, I can't catch anything 17:20 gmcharlt wizzyrea: it is great that you are making an effort to think about the larger issues 17:20 wizzyrea (er, I'm sure you have, rather) 17:19 wizzyrea your way is better anyway, usually 17:19 wizzyrea :) I'm sure you would 17:19 gmcharlt Dan and I would ever-so-gently guide you away, or let you know of a potential pitfall for other Koha users 17:19 wizzyrea gmcharlt: I honestly do make an effort to make sure that when we do enhancements, we think about it in a way that benefits all users of koha 17:18 gmcharlt of course, if something would *preclude* doing something like what _eric_b needs 17:18 gmcharlt wizzyrea: one of the advantages of the sponsorship model is you don't necessarily have to sponsor what you don't use yourself ;) 17:17 wizzyrea or multi-lingual 17:17 wizzyrea NEKLS spec'd that one, sorry we didn't think in terms of bilingual >.< 17:17 pianohacker Heh. Sounds much like Little Havana in Miami 17:15 _eric_b I'm living in a bilingual world, so I have to keep an eye on this kind of details! Vive le Quebec! :) 17:14 _eric_b pianohacker, of course ;) 17:13 pianohacker gmcharlt: Ah, okay. That makes sense 17:11 _eric_b This would allow the user to define in which language he wants to receive its messages. 17:11 gmcharlt _eric_b: for patron messages? no, it doesn't at present 17:10 _eric_b gmcharlt, Does the new system has a setting like "Prefered language". 17:10 gmcharlt the patron gets the notification only once, when the item is actually at the pickup library 17:09 gmcharlt making sure that if an item is transferred to fill a hold (and thus getting checked in several times along the may) 17:09 pianohacker gmcharlt: What would the real-life scenario for that be? 17:08 pianohacker Hmm, looking at part four of bug 3222 17:02 wizzyrea just made our cataloger so happy :) 17:02 wizzyrea bummer, I was going to thank hdl for his help 16:50 wizzyrea of course... super, they'll be so happy. This enhancement in bugzilla thing works well I think 16:49 OTH byebye 16:49 gmcharlt you'll be testing it before then 16:49 gmcharlt note that the deadline in the bug is an estimate of when it will hit the public tree 16:49 wizzyrea yes, THANKS :D 16:48 wizzyrea gmcharlt: looking 16:48 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I imagine you and others at NEKLS will want to add yourselfs to the CC list of bug 3222 16:46 OTH pianohacker: me alegro 16:45 pianohacker Bien 16:44 OTH ? 16:44 OTH komo estas 16:44 OTH pianohacker: jejeje un gusto verte de nuevo mi amigo 16:43 pianohacker Anyway 16:43 pianohacker Bleh, forgot an accent 16:43 pianohacker ¿Como está? 16:42 pianohacker Hello 16:42 OTH ? 16:42 OTH pianohacker: hello man i am JavierFM you rememberme 16:39 OTH kreo ke me voy a ir de aki 16:37 gmcharlt any thoughts about the best namespace for it? 16:37 gmcharlt I'm planning to create a class to generate and process that form 16:37 gmcharlt (and will be duplicated again in staff so that default preferences can be set per patron category) 16:36 gmcharlt and since the code the set the preferences is duplicated between OPAC and staff 16:36 gmcharlt I'm working on the patron messaging preference system 16:36 gmcharlt general question to all 16:28 OTH quill_: hello man 16:27 OTH hey people are you there??? 16:18 OTH in my country i am the operator in the central channel 16:18 OTH atz: heyyyy i am net admin ok 16:17 atz try /help ? 16:16 OTH ? 16:16 OTH somebody know commands of irc 16:15 OTH atz: friend say something 16:15 OTH wizzyrea: my love nice to meet you 16:15 OTH ok i go 16:14 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_hitler 16:14 OTH wizzyrea: ok if you say it 16:14 OTH wizzyrea: sure?? 16:12 wizzyrea technically, hitler was austrian ^.^ 16:11 OTH atz: baffff is a relieve 16:10 OTH wizzyrea: no my love noooooo I am Javier Fernandez Machin , is just for you know 16:10 atz pretty sure no... my dad's ancestors left germany about 1850 16:09 wizzyrea are you a descendant of castro? 16:09 OTH hey you are descendent of hitlre??? jejje 16:09 OTH OneTreeHill 16:09 OTH the my is OTH 16:08 atz german 16:08 OTH ? 16:08 OTH atzberger??? in what languague are that 16:08 atz joe atzberger 16:07 OTH what is your name complete 16:07 atz it is part of my name 16:06 OTH atz: what is the meaninig of your nick 16:06 atz i'm here daily 16:05 OTH how many time you have chating here?? 16:05 OTH ok i am 17 16:05 atz 31 16:04 OTH atz: how old are you 16:04 OTH atz: good 16:04 OTH i am JavierFM 16:04 atz OTH: I work for LibLime on koha code 16:04 OTH ? 16:04 OTH brendan: my love you remember me 16:03 OTH atz: what do you do 16:03 OTH :) 16:03 OTH atz: jejeje ok 16:00 atz no hablo (not much anyway) 16:00 OTH atz: you speak spanich, man?? 15:59 atz it's cool that packet radio is still in use... i don't know anybody using it here 15:58 OTH atz: what hve that of cool?? 15:58 OTH atz: brother i study infomatica 15:57 atz cool 15:57 OTH cuba 15:57 atz OTH: where is that? 15:56 OTH atz: heyy man the internet here is short band 15:56 wizzyrea ;) 15:56 wizzyrea I think you just saved yourself a support ticket lol 15:56 wizzyrea well we'll look forward to the itemlevel notes 15:55 wizzyrea AH 15:48 gmcharlt somebody sent a patch to include item-level notes (925$z), but that one hasn't necessarily made it to you yet 15:48 gmcharlt though it looks like 505 is the only one at moment 15:47 gmcharlt there can be multiple melm's feeding to same index 15:47 gmcharlt it's at least one of them 15:46 wizzyrea this means that marc field 505 is where it's looking for notes/comments? 15:46 wizzyrea melm 505 Note:w,Note:p 15:45 wizzyrea just to make sure I'm reading this right: 15:41 hdl_laptop wizzyrea: see note in record.abs 15:40 wizzyrea_away quick search question: what field does the OPAC advanced search -> notes/comments search? 15:30 atz monday - friday 15:30 atz I am usually here on weekdays 15:29 JavierFM atz: how you will see i am not so good in the english jajajaja!! 15:29 JavierFM atz: how many time did you are here in this chat!!!? 15:29 atz cool 15:29 JavierFM La Habana City 15:28 JavierFM i am from Cuban 15:27 JavierFM okis 15:24 atz (usa) 15:24 atz Columbus, OH 15:24 JavierFM atz: where are you? 15:21 atz JavierFM: i'm pretty good... lots of work to do 15:21 JavierFM atz: un gusto verte por aki 15:20 JavierFM atz: how are you 15:20 JavierFM !k nicomo 15:20 JavierFM !op 15:20 JavierFM !voice 15:20 atz hello 15:20 JavierFM atz: hello 15:15 JavierFM hdl_laptop: hey what do you do 15:10 JavierFM i am Cuban 15:10 JavierFM nice to meet you 15:10 hdl_laptop I saw that granular permissions was quite thought to be the default. 15:09 hdl_laptop ok thx. 15:08 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: he's starting off adding granular permissions for cat and acq 15:08 JavierFM hdl_laptop: heyyy man I talk spanish 15:08 hdl_laptop hi from France 15:08 JavierFM hdl_laptop: what?? 15:08 JavierFM quill: helllo 15:07 JavierFM hdl_laptop: hello how are you?? 15:07 JavierFM hdl_laptop: de donde eres?? 15:05 hdl_laptop I wanted to know what he would do with granularpermissions 15:04 gmcharlt looking for him? 15:04 gmcharlt just not on channel 15:03 hdl_laptop atz not around. 15:02 hdl_laptop hi OTH 14:44 OTH hello 13:54 jwagner Will do, thanks. 13:53 gmcharlt and right click and view source 13:53 gmcharlt yeah, turn on the plugin 13:53 jwagner OK, that's the one I picked (I think). Now I just load a page & turn on the plugin? 13:53 gmcharlt (long boring history of XML and how it developed from SGCML skipped over for now) 13:53 gmcharlt jwagner: that's the right plugin - you want it to turn on SGML validation 13:52 gmcharlt as long as you don't add to the number of reported issues 13:52 jwagner To make sure I got the right plugin -- I loaded HTML Validator, but it seems to be referring to Tidy and SGML. Doesn't specifically mention XHTML that I can see. 13:52 gmcharlt it is acceptable to punt and just patch the immediate issue 13:52 gmcharlt although seriously, if a page currently has a bunch of XHTML validation errors 13:52 Elwell oh, and lowercase too 13:52 jwagner Harrumph. 13:51 gmcharlt the practice will do you good :) 13:51 jwagner I saved your leader patch because I saw the XHTML refs, but haven't looked at it closely yet. 13:51 jwagner Sigh. So much for a quick minor screen change patch :-( I'll see what I can figure out, thanks. 13:49 gmcharlt all output in staff and OPAC should be valid XHTML 13:48 gmcharlt yes 13:48 jwagner OK. As a standard practice, any time we're updating template files do you want us to check for this stuff? 13:47 gmcharlt the main bit that can get tedious is if it discoveres that you have an extra (or missing) <div> or </div> 13:46 gmcharlt jwagner: right, for those elements that don't normally have end tags - you still do <p>text</p> for example 13:45 gmcharlt but it's usually not that big of a deal 13:45 jwagner OK, I've installed the plugin & will read up on it. The closing syntax is <br /> instead of the old HTML </br>? 13:45 gmcharlt can be a little intimidating at first 13:45 gmcharlt dealing with initial set of warnings returned by HTML validator 13:45 gmcharlt etc. 13:45 gmcharlt or like <input name="foo" id="foo" type="text" /> 13:44 gmcharlt - all elements (tags) need to be closed - for things like <br>, that means that they should be <br /> 13:44 gmcharlt - there's an XML schema for XHTML that's used for validation 13:44 gmcharlt which has following consequences 13:43 gmcharlt is that it's basically HTML that's also supposed to be valid XML 13:43 gmcharlt the key thing to keep in mind about XHTML 13:43 gmcharlt to step back a bit 13:43 gmcharlt the selected="selected" bit is just the XML representation of a tag's attribute 13:42 gmcharlt 1. where a template has something like <option value="foo" SELECTED>, valid XHTML is <option value="foo" selected="selected" /> 13:42 gmcharlt there are some specific things 13:42 gmcharlt my recent patches to the leader plugin give a model to follow 13:41 gmcharlt in the specific case of the MARC21 fixed field plugins 13:41 gmcharlt which changes the FF view source command to also run a check of the validity 13:41 gmcharlt jwagner: the syntax itself is easily googled. As far as testing for XHTML validity, I recommend the HTML Validator add-on for FireFox 13:40 jwagner Hi there. Question for you -- in the various patches you've been asking people (including me) to update to XHTML. I don't know anything about this syntax. Is there a useful source? What needs to be done if you're modifying an existing template file? 13:39 gmcharlt jwagner: hi 13:39 jwagner gmcharlt, online? 13:21 bill i found you 13:19 CGI574s fuck 13:18 CGI574s how are you guys? im bill, from accounting 13:18 CGI574s hello 12:08 jwagner OK, thanks. I'll ask again later to catch other time zones, but it sounds like I'm safe so far. 12:06 kf perhaps its just because names with initials are not common in Germany, normaly just the first name is used