Time Nick Message 11:52 jwagner G'night. 11:50 chris ok sleep for me, have a good day all 11:46 jwagner Sounds nicely squirmy :-) I'll stick to dogs and cats. 11:45 chris i suspect we will be going the next open day too 11:45 chris lots of fun, we got to see some carpet sharks, some big snapper and hold a starfish too 11:44 jwagner How was the visit to the octopus? 11:43 chris no worries, im about to go to sleep pretty soon anyway 11:41 jwagner Hi Chris, sorry, was on another screen. 11:38 chris hi jwagner 11:04 chris heh 11:01 slef chris: don't do it! ;-) 10:28 davi hi 10:27 nahuel hi dudes 09:15 Amit hi slef 09:13 chris hi slef 09:12 hdl_laptop hi slef 09:12 slef hi all 08:19 Amit hi fredericd 08:09 fredericd hello all 08:08 hdl_laptop hi fredericd 08:08 chris hi fredericd 07:56 chris cool 07:53 hdl_laptop i will ask nicomo to do that. 07:47 chris at least for the opac, more for the intranet 07:45 chris and i can pester you to finish the french :) 07:45 chris if we see cait tonight, we can pester her to do the german one :) 07:45 chris most languages have only 38 or 45 strings to translate (those that were up to date for 3.0.1) 07:44 hdl_laptop Thanks 07:44 hdl_laptop I saw a message on that point yesterday I think. 07:43 chris hdl_laptop: all the language files are updated on translate.koha.org 07:24 chris jo will be doing some testing on it tomorrow too 07:23 hdl_laptop thanks for report. 07:23 hdl_laptop hi chris. 07:22 chris hdl_laptop: i havent noticed any problems yet with the testing version 07:01 chris so much mail to read 06:17 Hopposai anyone home/alive? 06:16 Hopposai hello all 03:59 Jo i must have done something stupid in the system setup 03:59 Jo thats just dum that it doesn't come over automatically. 03:59 Jo 040c 03:59 Jo Subfield $c contains the MARC code or the name of the organization that transcribed the record into machine-readable form. 03:59 Jo 040 Subfield $c - Transcribing agency: 03:53 Jo oclc 03:53 Jo thats ok ... I'll see what loc have to say as well 03:52 chris if thd were here he would know 03:52 Jo ok. 03:52 Jo and i have no idea what to put there or even what it is... 03:52 chris just put testing in there 03:51 chris yep 03:51 Jo ok. so the 040c must be the blocker 03:51 chris yep its happy with that on mine, still wants 040c tho 03:47 chris ill just try on my test one 03:45 chris so if it wont accept that, there may be a bug 03:44 chris http://www.loc.gov/marc/organizations/org-search.php?org_keyword=Horowhenua&submit=Search 03:44 chris you are right 03:43 Jo :) 03:43 chris and then 003 which is what i meant to type 03:43 Jo thanks 03:43 chris i will go check the rules of 0002 03:43 chris 2 secs 03:38 Jo sigh .. i can't where to stop them being compulsory 03:37 Jo I have entered NZ-LeHLT in the marc org code section of sys pref / cataloguing 03:35 Jo yepo. that seems to be working - but maybe I havn't entered the right info in the sys pref 03:34 chris so just clicking in that field fills it in 03:34 Jo just playing with the manual and seeing how it all works readyu for when you say "have at it girls" 03:34 chris for 003 03:34 chris ah righto, normally there is a plugin enabled 03:34 Jo Chris: in the kohaaloha test site 03:34 brendan checking my system -- back in a moment 03:33 Jo that sounds like a splendid solution! 03:33 Jo oh - i do like making them not mandatory 03:33 brendan you can either make something up for those fields or make them not mandatory in your marc-framework... I think 03:33 Jo yep 03:33 chris is this koha 3 Jo? 03:33 Jo I have a marc code of NZ-LeHLT which might be the 003 one - but it didn't accept that. (was system generated y Koha I presume) 03:30 Jo and while I am very clever at many things, I am not clever at marc! 03:30 Jo Hi Amit 03:30 Jo testing z39.50 and can't save the record because 2 fields aren't filled in : 003 (control #identifier) and 040 (Transcribing agency) 03:29 Amit hi Jo 03:29 Jo sending a wee quiet sos to a marc guru out there in Koha world .. 03:25 brendan heya amit 03:22 chris hi amit 03:21 Amit good morning koha 03:21 Amit hi brendan, chris, mason 03:02 reed nice 03:02 brendan it was in the town I went to school at in indiana 03:02 brendan I think the town dump has got to be the highest point 03:02 atz which in tennessee doesn't qualify as a turdpile 03:02 brendan and too many old people -- sorry gmcharlt 03:01 reed heh 03:01 atz http://www.mountainzone.com/mountains/highest-peaks.asp?s=FL 03:01 atz yeah, the highest "mountain peak" in florida is 344 feet 03:01 reed aside from the ocean 03:01 reed wellington and east tennessee have a lot in common topologically 03:00 reed florida's also very flat, which I find disturbing for some reason 03:00 brendan ha 02:59 reed florida 02:59 brendan whoops thought tennesee was the sunshine state 02:59 atz yeah, *those* people are sane. 02:58 reed tennessee 02:58 reed oh, not me -- those people are crazy 02:58 brendan so I hear you're from the sunshine state - if I remember correctly 02:58 reed hey 02:53 brendan heya reed 02:50 chris fabulous 02:50 reed probly next week while I'm off 02:50 reed fyi - still planning to do that lenny clean install experiment w/koha 02:49 chris :) 02:49 reed may even have me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to celebrate 02:48 chris awesome 02:48 reed did my allotment of productivity so safe to be on irc now 02:48 reed hellow 02:47 chris hello reed :) 02:27 pianohacker Good night, koha 01:49 chris i think someone found the cgi that gets you into #koha :) 01:48 pianohacker Oh well 01:48 pianohacker Just random 01:48 pianohacker Weird, that wasn't even rot13 01:31 chris heh cya later owen 01:30 owen Nice talkin' to ya. 01:30 owen Hi Nightshadow 01:30 Nightshadow vdfferf 01:30 Nightshadow ... 01:03 chris back, its dangerous having a bakery that close 00:59 owen Hi brendan 00:58 brendan hey owen 00:56 chris but no, lots of good emails today 00:56 chris its a bit like that 00:56 owen I return to my computer with great trepidation after being away all day 00:55 owen Hi 00:55 chris hey owen :) 00:25 Jo hi Brendan 00:06 brendan heya Jo 22:32 brendan chris - hopefully it always grows... mine is too big also 22:31 chris it is both fortunate and unfortunate that my list of places to visit and things to do keeps growing :) 22:25 chris ohh very cool 22:24 atz http://www.huntingtonparkcolumbus.com/Photos.html 22:24 atz new (as in, open for less than a month!) Clippers ballpark 22:21 brendan hehe -- small world bars are sometimes 22:21 chris specially with slow motion replays 22:21 chris or highlight packages 22:21 chris they do use a lot of classical type music in advertisements 22:18 chris could well do 22:18 atz i guess the rugby team used their song in a video or something 22:18 chris lol awesome 22:18 atz chris: met a viola player at the bar the other night... he said, "yeah, my band isn't very big, but we got popular in NZ" 22:17 chris lets see how good your nz sports trivia is :) 22:17 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2401763/Sports-quiz-May-12 22:15 chris hehe 22:15 brendan I prefer to use metal - just because I'm relatively small - so I can actually hit the ball out once a year 22:15 chris that does look nice atz 22:14 brendan scary for thrid basemen -- called the hot corner 22:13 brendan the metal bats add a few more miles per hour to the ball when hit... so 10~15 feet further 22:13 atz http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&ATCLID=925243 22:13 chris heh 22:13 brendan the ball really jumps of the bat -- it's a much more offensive game... that's a pun too 22:13 chris so can hit further? 22:12 brendan it pretty interesting to watch NCAA -- they use metal bats 22:12 atz little cheaper than MLB 22:12 chris good idea 22:12 chris ohh 22:12 atz the new Ohio State baseball park is a nice place for an NCAA game if you want to see that level too 22:12 chris *nod* 22:11 brendan the stadium is awesome -- the team not so much anymore 22:11 brendan ah the pirates stadium is supposed to be the best there is 22:11 brendan the best medicine is to realize that the baseball season is long.... 22:11 atz then switched to the Washington Wizards 22:10 chris ill have to go see the pirates play next time im visiting the inlaws 22:10 atz the Clippers were previously Yankee-affiliated 22:10 brendan I feel somewhat responsible for the infection... 22:10 brendan awesome! 22:10 chris i fear i have caught the bug 22:10 brendan the crew 22:10 brendan and they have a great soccer stadium and team 22:10 chris sweet 22:09 atz brand new stadium downtown 22:09 atz yeah, the Clippers 22:09 chris i know they have a hockey one, i saw them play when i was visiting 22:09 brendan minor league I think. the yankees used to be there 22:09 chris does columbus have a baseball team? 22:09 brendan the tame part is nice... 22:09 brendan my fiance is in columbus for a conference 22:09 atz nice... sunny and tame recently 22:08 brendan how's Ohio 22:08 atz greets brendan 22:08 brendan hey atz - haven't had a chance to say hi in a while 22:05 chris yeah 22:03 atz me either, except to say "umm.. i know some people who need to hear this" 22:03 chris yeah, havent devoted it the attention it deserves yet 22:02 atz chris: did you see my mail about Amazon? 22:01 atz most of my records are Linty :\ 22:00 chris nice 22:00 atz also has a --Lint option for MARC::Lint analysis 22:00 chris :-) 22:00 atz yeah, it should be the same human who maybe got in underneath the application and was tweaking XML manually... 21:59 chris and then a human decides whether to run the fix or not 21:59 chris youd probably want a human involved, get an email from the crontab with the warning/output 21:59 chris true 21:58 atz yeah, though that wouldn't necessarily be something you could crontab 21:58 chris right, so you could run the warnings on a slave, and then fix on the faster if you get any hits 21:58 atz it has a --fix option to replace the marcxml with data from marc 21:57 atz yeah, if you are just getting the warning/output 21:57 chris on a large db, might be good to run this against a slave? 21:57 atz but like all these problems, fixing that script wouldn't be enough now that the mangled data is in the wild 21:56 chris ahhh 21:56 atz i think that the authorities linking script may be silently corrupting the xml with fields that are empty 21:56 atz *it's 21:56 atz but yeah, it crontab-able 21:55 atz it could be prohibitively costly on a large DB 21:55 atz well, depending on library size 21:55 chris somethign for weekly maintenance huh? 21:54 chris ohh sweet 21:54 atz patch sent for biblioitems.marcxml parse checking script 21:35 chris yep 21:35 gmcharlt yeah, although next time around using C4::Letters presumably 21:34 chris it can be added back pretty fast if not 21:34 chris but you can do that in the browser, we will have to try and see if its acceptable 21:34 chris so whatever printing has to go through that anyway 21:34 chris not sure, the printers are all connected to a cups server still 21:33 gmcharlt is HLT planning to still use that kind of remote printing after they upgrade? 21:32 gmcharlt yep 21:32 chris and it will still all be in git if we ever do need it 21:31 chris yeah, that can be removed, because that whole thing no longer works (printing to printqueues) and needs to be rewritten 21:31 gmcharlt chris: the only big thing left that appears to be HLT-specific is C4::Print 21:29 chris koha_community++ 21:29 chris wow so much mail, all of it worth reading too 21:28 chris 3.0 allows the override 21:28 chris actually you are right, that was only needed in 2.2 21:25 gmcharlt ok, patch in question pushed if you need to note it as a possible regression for HLT 21:19 chris heh classy 21:18 gmcharlt but also in CanBookBeIssued() of all places 21:18 gmcharlt yes, I believe so 21:17 chris im guessing to do with fines? 21:17 chris cool, sounds good 21:17 gmcharlt I'll leave it to you to put it back in a syspref-able manner 21:17 chris yeah 21:17 chris :) 21:17 gmcharlt chris: I'm going to excise it, so since you're working on their migration to 3.x 21:17 chris my bad 21:17 gmcharlt chris: I ran across some stuff that references HLT in the code 21:07 chris yep 4 more hours 21:06 pianohacker Get any more sleep? 21:06 pianohacker Good morning 21:06 chris morning 20:50 wizzyrea ^.^ no drinking here, I'm naturally this loopy 20:45 pianohacker On work hours? tsk, tsk 20:44 pianohacker Sounds like you've had a bit yourself 20:39 schuster Thanks all for your help again today - off to explore enhancement possibilities and the next step in the "enhancement process"... Look for a call for participation! 20:38 wizzyrea lol 20:38 schuster Makes us all sound like a bunch of drinkers! Not that we aren't but... don't tell my boss. 20:37 schuster Ah very clever... 20:37 wizzyrea Koha Explorer's Group 20:37 schuster What does Kegger stand for in Kansas for the Koha users group? 20:37 wizzyrea (to be fair, one of our librarians came up with the name "Koha Explorer's Group" and a different librarian came up with the Kegger moniker) 20:37 gmcharlt well, nobody can afford to serve (good) whiskey at a kegger, so it should be just fine 20:36 schuster vtl was upset that keggers was taken so they had to come up with something equally as clever... now getting approval to go to a Kegger or WisKE event might be tricky... 20:34 atz nice 20:34 gmcharlt I didn't say I would qualify as a member :) 20:34 atz the KOPs? 20:34 gmcharlt grr - time to start Koha'ers Opposing Puns 20:34 wizzyrea love it 20:34 wizzyrea LOL! 20:33 pianohacker You started a bad habit 20:33 pianohacker wizzyrea: vtl is looking at starting a Koha users group in WI called WisKE 20:32 wizzyrea the sco module 20:32 wizzyrea it really is a cool piece of functionality 20:32 wizzyrea well there you have it lol 20:32 gmcharlt anything that requires a staff operator login is a staff function :) 20:31 wizzyrea just, patrons happen to look at it 20:31 atz a fair argument... technically part of the OPAC, but "conceptually" part of the STAFF interface 20:31 wizzyrea (dedicated machines that the library has control over what settings are in use) 20:30 wizzyrea just sayin ;) 20:30 wizzyrea one could argue that the SCO isn't really for the "public" as a library might be running that interface on dedicated machines 20:30 atz there is a syspref already that deals with sort order on the non-self-check page 20:29 atz wizzyrea: some solutions are: cookies, some recycling form parameter, syspref(s) or maybe something else 20:28 atz *in which 20:28 atz self-check is in the OPAC too, which we still try to provide degradable HTML for non-js users 20:28 wizzyrea unless of course, not *everyone* wants it in the order you give them. That's probably a bigger change though. 20:27 atz yeah, the application becomes insane if you sort/resort batches at each level.... cost gets exponential 20:26 wizzyrea atz: is true, except that (and yes, admittedly is a nubcake thing to say) schuster, or even I, could make a javascript change. Changing the code - not so much (at least, yet). I wholly appreciate your bent towards efficiency, though, and your way is probably the right way. 20:24 atz after the page is delivered is where tablesorter makes sense 20:23 atz wizzyrea: tablesorter isn't really that great a fix. you are delivering the data in a set order, so the only efficient thing to do is make it the right one. 20:00 gmcharlt so you can also position it as an example of libraries helping other libraries by somebody making that change 19:59 gmcharlt somebody may just do 19:58 gmcharlt and would likely be the sort of thing that would end up be an example of something that once you call attention to it 19:58 gmcharlt the sorting change is a pretty tiny one in the grand scheme of things 19:57 wizzyrea tablesorter ++ 19:57 gmcharlt to make the duedate, and other columns, sortable 19:57 jwagner schuster, I've been looking at self-checkout, but haven't done anything yet. I have a site that doesn't want to have to manually log in to this page. I was looking at a syspref for autologin, and sysprefs to fill in ID & password for account with circ privileges, then have the sco page check for that & do automatic login if requested. Dunno if that would have any effect on your plans. 19:57 gmcharlt to use a javascript library called tablesorter 19:56 gmcharlt or a change to the template 19:56 gmcharlt code changes 19:56 gmcharlt schuster: there are several options 19:56 schuster gmcharlt so there would have to be some code written to order it differently not just an asc/desc option drat. 19:55 gmcharlt you too! 19:55 schuster Happy Monday! 19:55 schuster OK - get ready! I may use this as my examples to figure out how to write the documentation on entering enhancements. That's a good idea as well. 19:54 gmcharlt & send email to koha-devel if you want to try to shake out anybody who's hiding 19:54 gmcharlt file bugs 19:54 schuster Off to put a list of enhancements together! Since we don't have the enhancements database up to date yet what is the best way for me to VET my requests to the group to see if there is work being done? 19:53 gmcharlt it's currently explicitly ordered by date of original loan 19:52 schuster (currently) 19:52 schuster The code looks very simplistic in just pulling from the issues table for that borrower - when I ran an sql they came up that way from issues as well so that is why I suspect there is no "ordering" to it. 19:51 gmcharlt schuster: right, my example was how you want it (or confirming that, rather) 19:51 schuster Duedate that is. 19:51 schuster gmcharlt you are backwards on how it currently displays - if you example is how we want it that is correct. 19:50 schuster It is showing 4/23/09 and then the 4/18/09 after that for duedate - we would like it to display the 4/18/09 then the 4/23/09 duedate. 19:49 gmcharlt schuster: so I'm clear: 2009-04-09, 2009-05-20, 2009-05-21, etc? 19:48 schuster they are in checkout date from what it looks like - we would like it in due date so the oldest is first rather than the most recent. 19:48 schuster I'm at that point of the year where we need to look at enhancements and determine if there is any money to do anything! 19:48 gmcharlt reverse order by checkout date? due date? 19:47 schuster OK - I've had a request if the issues could be in reverse order ASC rather than what looks to be the order in which they entered the issues table. 19:46 gmcharlt schuster: there has been some bugfixing activity with it 19:45 schuster Question about self checkout - sco/sco-main.pl - is anyone doing any development work on this? I did attempt a search in bugs... 19:35 wizzyrea oh do we. lol 19:27 brendan kind of funny the fire for me has switched from actual forest here to the koha mailing list. if you know what I mean 19:26 brendan good - there has been a nice marine layer over the area for the past two days... so SB is calm now 19:26 gmcharlt how are you? 19:26 gmcharlt hi brendan 19:25 brendan god morning #koha 19:20 jdavidb (wrong window...sorry.) 19:20 jdavidb I'm probably 10 or 15 minutes away from having a first patch for you to smoke-test in isolation against koha.org. 18:55 jwagner Bingo. Overlooked that syspref completely. Thanks, that should do what I want! 18:55 gmcharlt of course, anything that you can limit on you can construct a regular search for 18:55 gmcharlt jwagner: take a look at the AdvancedSearchTypes syspref 18:54 jwagner Primarily for OPAC advanced search, this is. 18:54 jwagner Two ways to approach what I'm thinking of. Is there any way to (1) search by collection code rather than item type? or (2) tell the system to omit certain item types from the list that shows on advanced search? (short of custom coding, that is) 18:53 gmcharlt shoot 18:53 jwagner Well, let's stick to the one related to the Advanced Search page :-) 18:52 gmcharlt that could have multiple meanings :) 18:51 jwagner Anyone around for a searching question? 17:39 davi self, GNU arch is part of GNU, http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/ It is just happens that Bazzar has joined too the GNU project, See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar-announce/2008-February/000135.html 17:16 gmcharlt may not have propagated to you yet 17:15 gmcharlt and there's recent patch to let you edit the SQL 17:15 gmcharlt schuster: saved_sql table 17:15 schuster question about guided "saved" reports - where are they "saved" and can an SQL be edited so I don't have to recreate the report and get a new saved number? 17:03 wizzyrea_lunch afk a few :D 16:59 slef bbl 16:59 slef Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com [...] 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) 16:59 slef Received: by 10.100.151.8 [...] 04:05:26 -0700 (PDT) 16:58 slef nengard's email to me is taking 5 hours to get between two google.com servers. Ouch. 16:57 davi later slef 16:57 davi gmcharlt, That is right 16:56 gmcharlt if you're used to git, bzr has a pretty low learning curve 16:56 slef or koha... and git wasn't fast to import koha 16:56 davi It is just bzr is a little slower than Git, for projects with lot of source code, as the Linux kernel 16:55 davi bzr interface is said to be cool 16:55 danny I would too, but I am biased because I've never used bzr 16:55 davi danny, I would advise to pick Git 16:54 davi arch is old 16:54 danny he isn't using bzr, and there is currently not a vcs in place, so we just deciding which to pick 16:54 slef I expect there are git-bzr and/or bzr-git 16:54 slef davi: wow, I didn't know that. It seems arch is no longer part of the GNU project. 16:53 davi danny, If he is already using bzr, instead of trying to convince him to switch toward Git I would just learn bzr. 16:52 davi Git has lot of more users. 16:52 davi bzr is a lot slower than Git. 16:52 davi Git is not part of the GNU project. 16:51 davi bzr is part of the GNU project. 16:51 danny i was trying to decide if it was worth it to learn bzr or convince him to use git 16:50 danny ok, i've not used bzr either, but I am about to work on another open source project and the other dev was leaning towards bzr 16:48 davi I have not used bzr, but I like git a lot 16:47 gmcharlt I agree with slef's take on bzr vs. git 16:46 gmcharlt I've bzr a tiny bit to work on pymarc 16:45 slef ok, exaggerating a lot 16:44 slef exaggerating slightly, I think that git has lots of people hammering it with big projects while bazaar is a Canonical Not-Invented-Here rewrite of another good tool 16:44 danny ok 16:43 slef but there's no strong technical reason for that preference 16:43 slef danny: I choose git. 16:43 danny slef: do you have a personal preference if you were able to choose which you'd rather work with? 16:42 slef it's similar but different 16:42 danny have any devs worked with bazaar vcs? curious to hear what you thought of it compared to git 15:51 wizzyrea I wish I had been smart enough to make friends in other time zones when my munchkin was small and I was up all night 15:50 wizzyrea gl! 15:49 chris ok, time for me to try and get some more sleep 15:47 gmcharlt owen++ 15:42 chris hes a good man that one 15:41 owen exit 15:41 owen don't anyone burn the place down while I'm gone okay? 15:41 owen In fact it's time for me to get back to them. 15:40 chris :) 15:38 owen Yeah, the new little girl is doing great. Sleeping lots, which always helps ;) I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. 15:38 chris speaking of parents, alll good in the leonard clan owen? 15:36 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: i think you are right and can be integrated in HEAD. 15:35 gmcharlt so anything that doesn't hit end of August automatically becomes something for 3.4 or 4.0 15:35 wizzyrea too true 15:35 gmcharlt but basically I intend to simply make it calendar driven 15:35 chris its amazing how when you become a parent, you appreciate silence so much more 15:35 gmcharlt slef: LL can do some slicing and dicing on the ones that we expect to make it by the end of August 15:35 chris ahh quiet 15:34 slef gmcharlt: how will we whittle down the rfc3.2s to an achievable list? 15:33 chris which i have to resist, or i will be in there all night 15:33 chris now he is yelling "my daddy" 15:32 wizzyrea an* icky 15:31 chris not much fun eh 15:31 wizzyrea ew, my kiddo has the same. has been a icky few days 15:29 gmcharlt hey chris 15:29 chris wizzyrea: way too early in the morning, but kahu has got a cough so i just got him back to sleep 15:28 wizzyrea chris! mornin/evenin! 15:28 chris the lccn man :) 15:28 chris yep, he is famous (infamous) 15:27 pianohacker Does anyone know who "COURYHOUSE" is? 15:26 pianohacker Also, hello to Paul 15:26 pianohacker Hello, all 15:25 rhcl Hi Paul 15:24 wizzyrea pianohacker! hi! 15:23 wizzyrea ooh, intrigue 15:23 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: quick question for you - is there any reason by 3.0.x commit e6e27bc80a7be792c228d2fef2e981539191ec36 shouldn't be ported to HEAD? 15:22 slef unless someone goes Mission-Impossible on their offices 15:21 slef there will always be doubt over alternative explanations or deliberation 15:21 slef owen: demonstrate or prove? It's a pretty straightforward question. 15:18 owen I think Liblime deserves the benefit of the doubt, based on their history and their people, until you or someone can demonstrate that they're deliberately acting contrary to the interests of the community 15:16 slef owen: sure, because that seems simple. So do you feel I should wait until I can demonstrate or prove that they're being evil? 15:15 owen It sounds like you want proof from Liblime. 15:15 slef owen: demonstrate or prove? 15:14 owen slef: Until you can demonstrate that their actions can't be explained as anything other than evil 15:11 wizzyrea (I registered, and I can't get the edit link either. Which is why I feel like it might be ignorance.) 15:10 slef owen: OK, until when? 15:10 wizzyrea to look at the page, it really looks to me (someone who really is relatively new and doesn't have a lot of baggage) like they INTEND to allow almost anybody to edit the site, it's just not working right yet 15:10 owen I think Liblime deserves more benefit of the doubt than they're getting 15:08 slef sure... I'll hug almost anyone... I just don't understand anyone endorsing the website launching like that 15:06 slef wizzyrea: possibly, but it's unbelievable that LibLime was ignorant of requests for acess to Plone. 15:06 slef I think the difference is more whether one thinks LibLime is acting in the interests of the Koha community in its entirity, or only so far as it helps LibLime and obstructing other actors. 15:06 wizzyrea what is it, never assign to malice that which can adequately be explained by ignorance. 15:04 owen Seems like a lot of folks think Liblime isn't acting in the interests of the Koha community these days, and I find that hard to understand. 15:03 owen I think the question of whether Tina should have access comes down to whether you assume that Liblime is a good or a bad actor in the Koha community 15:03 wizzyrea ^^ 15:03 owen I certainly agree with you that the previous authors should have access 15:02 slef I think the community should decide - until then, the previous web authors should at least continue. 15:01 owen And you think she shouldn't have access? 15:00 slef I don't know who else had edit access, but I know that new webmaster Tina didn't have access until this change. 14:59 slef or rather, it's not in their interest to grant access to me, Chris or Russel 14:58 slef at the moment, yes 14:58 owen So in your opinion they're deliberately excluding you (and others) because they feel it's in the best interest of their company 14:58 slef I hope I'm wrong, but I started out with the belief that it's a probably a temporary condition, but after a week, publication and launch, that belief has been shaken severely. 14:57 slef (private US corporations, at least) 14:56 slef not sure if that's an ulterior motive or if corporations can have motives besides profit, but I think that's what's happening. 14:55 slef owen: I think LibLime is replacing the web authors. 14:54 owen slef, do you think Liblime has an ulterior motive for not giving you access? 14:53 wizzyrea i believe it's probably a temporary condition 14:53 slef but there was no need to force - we've been requesting edit access 14:52 wizzyrea so I put it up broken to force their hand 14:52 slef since the start of the website replacement project 14:52 wizzyrea gmcharlt: I had to do the same with the NEKLS website... nobody wanted to do the content before it went live 14:52 owen That's just a temporary problem. 14:51 slef but we can't fix what's broken 14:50 owen It's been so long I think it was time to commit. Get it out there and start fixing what's broken. 14:49 slef they've been working on it since at least mid-2007, so why botch it together in such a rush now? 14:49 owen Sure they could have had an easier job if they'd gotten more help from the community, but in this case I suspect it's a matter of not knowing how to manage that process rather than wanting to exclude. 14:49 owen The site has been a long time coming, and they've put a lot of effort into it. 14:49 owen Not ideal, but I think Liblime is acting in good faith and trying to do their best. 14:48 slef well, after patiently waiting for access for days||years, to get 2 days notice of replacement is a bit poor 14:45 wizzyrea owen - agreed 14:45 owen I think the whole discussion of the new site got too emotional and accusatory on all sides. 14:44 slef how so? 14:42 owen Yeah, that got uglier than it should have 14:42 wizzyrea the internet is a terrible place to fight. You lose so much context 14:41 slef :-( 14:41 wizzyrea ;) 14:40 wizzyrea holy moly. what a weekend on the list 14:17 gmcharlt hi wizzyrea 14:17 owen Hi wizzyrea 14:17 wizzyrea mornin everybody 13:40 owen Hi paul_p 13:38 paul_p hello world 13:30 owen Seems like it's the Koha community that's going through birthing pains now 13:28 gmcharlt :) 13:26 owen Doing great 13:26 gmcharlt how is the new mini-you? 13:26 gmcharlt hi owen 13:25 owen Hi #koha 13:01 gmcharlt paul_p: about?