Time Nick Message 12:40 IrmaCalyx hi #koha 12:45 paul_p hello IrmaCalyx 12:53 IrmaCalyx Hi Paul. How are you settling back in after the KohaCon week? 12:54 IrmaCalyx Busy? 12:55 IrmaCalyx I had a question today about "floating collections". Do your libraries require/use this feature? 13:01 paul_p IrmaCalyx: the kohaCon is quite old already. I was last week in Montauban. 13:01 paul_p what is floating collections ? 13:02 IrmaCalyx It's when an item does not belong to a particular branch in a multiple branch library syste. The item is borrowed from on e library and when returned to another one stays at that branch. 13:03 IrmaCalyx until borrowed again or requested from another branch. 13:04 IrmaCalyx It's a way of saving transfer costs. 13:04 IrmaCalyx What is it called in French? 13:07 IrmaCalyx Montauban...dans le departement de Tarn et Garonne - A public library? 13:10 paul_p IrmaCalyx: yep, it's the public library. 13:11 paul_p IrmaCalyx: I never encountered this in france. 13:11 IrmaCalyx Just looked up some painting from Jean Ingres born in Montauban (1755-1814)... 13:12 paul_p yep. 13:12 paul_p the library is just near the Ingres museum 13:12 IrmaCalyx It's a new Collections Management idea here too but it is becoming popular as only transfer expenses are incurred for items requested by library patrons. 13:14 IrmaCalyx One year already since our trip to your continent! Nice hospitality is easy to remember :-) 13:15 paul_p makes sense though. I think "real networks" could be interested by that. But I think it's quite a library 3.0 feature ;-) 13:15 gmcharlt fair number of US public libraries do floating collections, or want to 13:17 IrmaCalyx A library of significance in Sydney is requesting it. Any US library using Koha has added this feature? 13:18 gmcharlt at least one is doing it, more or less, with the branch transfer limits that Kyle hall added 13:20 IrmaCalyx Great...Will do some searching on prior postings or emails and check it out! 13:20 IrmaCalyx May I ask about acquisition? 13:23 IrmaCalyx Might be easier if I ask for a link to some info re the recently designed Acquisition Module and it's features 13:24 IrmaCalyx Will it support Electronic ordering and invoicing? 13:25 gmcharlt IrmaCalyx: not to answer for paul_p, but have you read through all of the acq RFCs on http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:rfcs3.2 13:25 IrmaCalyx Hi Galen - How are you doing? 13:25 paul_p IrmaCalyx: nope, it won't support EDI yet. 13:26 paul_p slef told us he has something about that 13:26 gmcharlt IrmaCalyx: reasonably OK, but ill today 13:26 IrmaCalyx Ok thank you both for the info. 13:27 IrmaCalyx Galen...a common flu only ...I hope! 13:27 gmcharlt I'm not oinking yet ;) 13:27 IrmaCalyx That's a relief! 13:35 jwagner Good morning all. Has anyone done any work with allowing an automated login? That is, feeding an ID and password to the OPAC under the hood? I'm looking into ways to do this. 13:36 IrmaCalyx Galen... Hope U feel better soon. Paul...thanks for the chat and info. Bonsoir. 15:07 atz bignose-work: i thought of a quick hack-around for loading users w/ staff (or any other) access 15:09 atz basically set userflags.defaulton=1 for the permissions you want to be applied, then do the load for those users, then set userflags back the way it was 15:10 atz might even be able to short cirtuit that and not touch DB 15:15 atz jwagner: you might look at certificate authentication at the Apache level, would need to add hooks in C4::Auth to pull values from that 15:32 jwagner Sorry, atz, been off in a meeting. We'll look at that. Thanks! 15:33 atz that's the kind of thing the defense contractor types in your area get into, also 15:35 jwagner Actually, the particular need I'm looking at is the web-based self-check. We have one site that wants it available from multiple PCs without the need for a manual login. I'm experimenting with some sysprefs to store the self-check ID & password, then pull those values & do a login for the web self-check. 15:35 atz certificates would a good fix for that 15:36 jwagner Worth investigating that option. Thanks. 16:05 pianohacker Mornin', liz 16:36 wizzyrea mornin 17:22 brendan morning #koha 18:39 schuster Question about show processlist in mysql 18:39 schuster I've been running this throughout the day and things have been clicking right along. 18:39 schuster all of a sudden here about 1:30 - I see a BUNCH of | 4413243 | pisdadmin | localhost | koha_pisd | Query | 0 | closing tables | REPLACE INTO sessions (id, a_session) VALUES('0fc609e3ca18358e97f299d880e827b7', '--- \n_SESSION_ATI | 18:39 schuster REPLACE INTO sessions statements... what is that? 18:44 chris looks like someone logging in or out is my guess 18:45 chris one hell of a thunderstorm going on here, so i may disappear at any time 18:46 schuster Had our rain on Saturday! Rained out the Rough Riders... Thanks for the hint... Now I have something else to look into. 19:02 schuster At the same time I start getting these statements - SELECT a_session FROM sessions WHERE id='00bcd3c19290e05fdb5ecf81caed5da8' | 19:02 schuster So is that someone left a workstation say for lunch came back and the system is re-connecting to the session? 19:03 schuster I have my timeout set to the default... - but about 1:30 we have a slowdown - when a bunch of people probably start circulating again after lunch 20:24 chris that sounds entirely plausible schuster 20:31 richard morning 20:38 chris hey richard .. wet enough for ya? 20:38 richard sure is. spectacular lightning this a.m. 20:38 chris yep 20:40 chris loud thunder too 20:46 chris kahu managed to sleep through the whole thing, which was fairly impressive 20:47 richard amazing 21:05 hdl_laptop have a nice evening under the thunder. 21:05 hdl_laptop I have a 3.0.x wip to show. 21:06 hdl_laptop Only with cherrypicked elements 21:06 hdl_laptop + some sent patches from nahuel 21:06 hdl_laptop if anyone interested. 21:07 hdl_laptop It is only wip since there are some updatedatabase which fixes bugs and they are not yet added. 21:07 hdl_laptop But it should be there soon. 21:07 hdl_laptop hi saorge 21:07 hdl_laptop time to go to bed for me. 21:07 hdl_laptop see ya 21:09 chris cool 21:09 chris night hdl_laptop 21:09 schuster Time for me to head out... Progress!!! Now where are my keys... 21:38 chris seems to be a yearly thing nowadays 21:39 brendan when I left to run it was a small little fire, now two hours later - it looks like an acre or more 21:39 chris yikes 21:39 brendan it's really windy here today 21:39 chris that wont help at all, no chance of rain? 21:40 brendan no rain in sight... maybe a marine layer tonight 21:43 brendan http://www.ksby.com/Global/story.asp?S=10308295 21:43 brendan started at 1:30pm -- it's now 2:40pm that is spreading fast 21:45 chris yikes 21:45 chris how far from your home is it? 21:46 brendan I'm about 10 miles 21:46 brendan I can watch it out my kitchen window though. 21:47 chris thats a little close for comfort 21:48 brendan well if I'm not here for a few days... I've left town :( 21:49 chris here's hoping they get it under control 21:50 ron hopefully you don't get anything like we had here in .au a few months back 21:50 brendan ok -- heading back out to watch it for a minute --- they've got helicopters dumping water on it... 21:51 ron cool 21:53 ron "burning near power lines". brendan goes offline in 5... 4... 3... 21:53 ron ;-) 21:54 brendan heh 21:56 ron I live ~20ks (~12-15mi) from the fires that swept through Vic in .au 21:57 ron we got a huge amount of wildlife relocate to here soon afterwards 21:58 chris i bet 21:58 chris any wombats? 21:58 ron heh. nope 21:58 chris they are my favourite australian animal 21:58 ron bricks on legs 21:58 ron bleh 21:59 ron lots of birds (lorikeets, etc) 22:01 ron gotta catch a train. ciao 23:30 chris hi rach and ccatalfo 23:30 ccatalfo evening, #koha! 23:30 chris hows librarything treating ya? 23:30 rach howdy 23:31 ccatalfo chris: good, thanks. what are you up to these days? 23:32 chris doing some koha work again, for catalyst ... bout halftime at the moment and the rest of my time is other development work for catalyst mostly on www.stuff.co.nz 23:33 ccatalfo cool 23:34 chris currently working on upgrading HLT to 3.0.1 23:45 mason hi chris.c x 2 23:46 chris heh 23:47 mason any excuse for a lame pun.. :/ 01:24 brendan the fire is reportedly getting bigger than 150 acres (that was reported an hour ago) 01:57 chris yikes 03:05 brendan got friends who have been evacuated from there houses over for a few days... at least they brought there dog (fun for me ) 03:14 Amit hi brendan, mason, chris 03:14 Amit good morning #koha 03:18 brendan heya amit 03:20 Amit how r u brendan 04:35 mason morning all 04:35 richard evening mason 04:35 mason crazy thunder last nite huh 04:36 richard sure was 04:36 mason ive *never* heard thunder that felt so close by 04:36 mason i initiallly thought it was an explosion ?!? 04:37 mason 3am-ish i think.. 04:37 richard i'm sure wainuiomata copped a direct hit 04:38 mason oooh, http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2387800/Weather-warning-as-thunder-hail-hit-Wellington 04:41 Amit hi mason richard 04:41 richard hi amit 04:41 mason heya amit 04:41 Amit Weather warning as thunder, hail hit Wellington 04:52 brendan The mountains are on fire where I live -- here's a local newspaper --- http://www.dailynexus.com/article.php?a=18913 04:54 richard we could do with a weather swap - it's cold and wet here 04:54 brendan richard that would be excellent 05:04 richard cya 06:48 Hopposai kia ora 06:48 Hopposai hello 08:15 chris drive by 08:19 chris hi paul 08:25 hdl_laptop1 hi chris 08:30 chris hi hdl_laptop1 08:50 slef hi all. I'm alive. 08:55 chris heya slef 08:57 chris 10 hours until the meeting :) 09:02 slef oh. I was 12 hours and got daylight savings time wrong. 09:25 mason interesting read... -> http://nymag.com/news/business/55687/ 10:01 gmcharlt greetings 10:05 chris awake early gmcharlt 10:05 gmcharlt yep 10:06 gmcharlt you planning to sleep between now and the meeting, I hope? 10:06 chris yep :) 10:07 chris heh 10:18 chris i was actually thinking prolog 10:19 chris you could really simplify the circulation matrix :) 10:20 gmcharlt heh 10:31 nahuel chris, hey ! A friend of mine is the child of one of the 2 creators of prolog 10:31 nahuel (from marseille !) 10:32 chris very cool, it was one of my more fun classes at university 10:32 nahuel hehe well never wrote a line of prolog 10:32 nahuel anyway it's lunchtime 10:32 nahuel bbl 10:40 Amit hi nahuel 10:54 slef http://www.songworm.com/db/songworm-parody/EternalFlame.html 11:00 slef erm, when did wiki.koha.org become non-commercial? That's a PITA 11:02 slef slef: seems like 2006 with the move to dokuwiki 11:33 gmcharlt slef: I'd support changing it to CC-BY-SA or CC-BY 11:35 gmcharlt I haven't checked the archives yet, but was BY-NC-SA perhaps just a dokuwiki default setting? or was there an explicit discussion about the license? 11:35 paul_p hi gmcharlt. afaik, no discussion about the license 11:37 gmcharlt if we change it, would it be like relicensing software in that we'd have to get everybody who ever contributed to the wiki to change it? 11:37 gmcharlt that is, to agree to the new license? 11:37 paul_p gmcharlt: I think so 11:39 gmcharlt one model for doing this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update 11:46 slef I think we could only clear the last three years (= dokuwiki registered users) because before that it was implicitly free-for-all 11:48 slef I assume you can get dokuwiki to spit out a list of users and emails but I can't see how to do it. 11:48 gmcharlt slef: yes 11:48 gmcharlt all registered users or only those who actually made edits? 11:49 gmcharlt there are two overlapping constituencies 11:50 slef only those who actually made edits I guess 11:50 slef and non-Minor at that 11:50 gmcharlt I'll see if I can get it to spit out the number of lines or bytes changed by each user 11:51 slef gmcharlt: while you're here, two questions: what's wiki.koha.org's equivalent of wikipedia's {{citation_needed}}? and how do I tag a bug on bugs.koha.org as haspatch? 11:52 gmcharlt haspatch = priority is PATCH-Sent 11:52 slef aha 11:52 gmcharlt don't think wiki.koha.org has equiv of {{citation_needed}} 11:53 slef ok, thought it was just me being dense 11:54 slef I may make a CitationNeeded page one day 11:54 gmcharlt out of curiosity, what have you found that needs it? 11:54 slef I updated the agenda wiki page for tonight. http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=meetingnotes09apr07 11:55 slef gmcharlt: nothing yet, but sometimes links are missing like on that agenda 11:55 slef "summary of proposals" is an example 11:59 slef OK if I send a meeting reminder? 11:59 slef (there hasn't been one recently has there?)