Time Nick Message 04:43 pianohacker good night koha 03:09 brendan good evening #koha 00:41 pianohacker Oh wow, that is serious 00:33 chris http://www.roche.com/index.htm 00:28 chris they are pretty huge! 00:27 chris wow i didnt know roche were using koha in australia 00:18 chris 3.00.01 has been deployed on Debian and in operation -Thanks God. 00:18 chris i like one of hte pakistan libraries too 00:18 chris :) 00:18 pianohacker Page is kind of humorous, "Looking at 1.2.5" 00:17 pianohacker Thanks for the reminder 00:14 chris yup 00:14 pianohacker First in colorado 00:13 chris i see you just added your library to kohausers pianohacker :) 23:39 chris awesome 23:06 pianohacker be back soon 22:59 gmcharlt set 'em up, knock 'em down - xt/author/valid-templates.t now tests cleanly as of last patch I sent 22:51 gmcharlt nice 22:50 chris http://notatech.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/follow-any-day/ 22:48 chris ill resurrect my documentation branch and do them there so i dont get out of sequence 22:44 chris will do 22:44 chris ahh i getcha 22:44 gmcharlt I'm saying that a sequence would have been fine 22:44 gmcharlt but both were against the same startpoint 22:43 gmcharlt the other day you had sent a patch for Lenora's SQL repo, and a second for Liz 22:43 gmcharlt no I meant something else 22:43 gmcharlt of course 22:43 chris i figure people like to see themselves added 22:42 chris true, unlikely to have any conflicts 22:42 gmcharlt chris: it's OK to stack the patches to docs/history.txt 22:41 chris just after i sent a ptach for colin i shoulda waited longer hehe 22:40 chris ohh another committer 22:05 gmcharlt lol 22:02 wizzyrea_wkend (Take THAT, character limit!) 22:02 wizzyrea_wkend Tootles. 22:02 wizzyrea_wkend HA 22:01 gmcharlt *too 22:01 gmcharlt wizzyrea: you doo 22:01 chris you too wizzyrea 22:01 chris ahh :) 22:01 wizzyrea ok, if I don't talk to you all, have a lovely (continue having, in some cases;) weekend 22:01 gmcharlt (UIUC being the largest library in US that uses Dewey, and not exactly a "lower" education institution) 22:00 wizzyrea sounds charming 22:00 chris "but do it on your own time, i wont help with the spec, or pay anyone ill just yell at you" 22:00 gmcharlt to which one obvious response is, what is the library that UIUC, chopped meat? 21:59 chris scientific community AND NOT HAVE IT SHOWING DEWEY! 21:59 chris ability to use that information for those of us in the upper educational and 21:59 chris You have to have koha have the 21:59 gmcharlt evidently not :) 21:58 wizzyrea I take it he's not around anymore 21:58 wizzyrea /nod a good lesson 21:57 chris in the early history of koha 2001/2002 someone who persisted in asking about lccn almost constantly, which meant everyone who at one time was interested in helping ... didnt :-) 21:55 wizzyrea O.o dare I ask?/ 21:55 gmcharlt who's ed sharpe? 21:55 chris its a good lesson on what happens when ppl push to hard :-) 21:55 chris i can show them the example of ed sharpe 21:55 chris :) 21:53 wizzyrea :D 21:53 wizzyrea yessir, I would hope they can be patient. 21:53 gmcharlt umm - who hopefully will allow for things to be ramped up? 21:52 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:52 wizzyrea I just don't want ppls to expect to see something one place and then find it's somewhere else. there are some militant koha users. 21:51 Sharon compromise...kumbiya 21:51 chris :) 21:51 chris bugzilla with a link to the rfc on the wiki ftw 21:51 wizzyrea k 21:51 gmcharlt wizzyrea: bugzilla for the changes, sure, but it's not the best place to stick lengthy documentation of architectural changes 21:51 wizzyrea (not trying to be fly in the ointment... probably failing) 21:50 wizzyrea or did I misunderstand 21:50 wizzyrea at kohacon? 21:50 wizzyrea not meaning to be a naysayer... didn't we decide to use bugzilla for enhancement stuff? Or maybe reference the bugzilla entry to the RFC page of the wiki? 21:49 pianohacker gmcharlt: Not a problem, just idle curiosity 21:49 chris that would rule, ill use that as a base to do an rfc for daily reconciliation 21:49 gmcharlt will take me a day or two to gather it together 21:49 gmcharlt pianohacker: I can put together what was used and add to the RFC page 21:47 pianohacker gmcharlt: does ryan have a code-level spec for the changes he's making? I'm kind of interested, since my library also wants changes to the fines system. 21:43 Sharon That's great to hear...our librarians are chomping for that very report 21:43 chris one of the things i have on my list is the daily reconciliation report 21:42 chris cool 21:42 gmcharlt chris: he has been, and I've been working on it too 21:40 chris am i right in remembering ryan is doing work on the accounts/money stuff in koha? 21:37 chris resent 21:35 gmcharlt indeed 21:34 chris hehe 21:33 gmcharlt type! type like the wind! 21:33 chris that should give me about 10 mins to fix the patch, before he finishes :) 21:32 chris right kahu is eating porridge and watching the replay of last nights rugby game, my work here is done 21:30 chris my bad, will fix 21:30 chris stupid newline :) 21:30 chris Subject: [PATCH] Adding warnings, fixing a bug that meant the title of an item that had a fine was never printed 21:28 chris can do 21:21 gmcharlt as submitted, it leaves the reader hanging ;) 21:21 gmcharlt chris: would you mind expanding on commit message of your patch to opac/opac-account.pl and resubmitting 21:12 gmcharlt si: could you op me - channel needs its title back 21:08 soul9 :) 21:08 chris xen rules 21:07 soul9 yep, and the newark datcenter is quite usable from europe too.. 21:06 gmcharlt I agree, though, that linode is pretty spiffy 21:06 chris heh 21:05 gmcharlt that's it - out of the channel NOW!!! ;) 21:05 soul9 not that i'm saying koha is bad at all 21:05 soul9 ;) 21:05 soul9 linode is definitely great 21:05 soul9 cool :) 21:04 SelfishMan soul9: yep, linode and koha have made most of my life and work easier 21:04 wizzyrea it seems to work, with a few caveats 21:04 chris wizzyrea: ahhh yeah HLT looked at that (pc management) 21:04 wizzyrea n/a in our situation 21:03 wizzyrea so IDK about the whole middleware bit 21:03 soul9 i guess linode is a pretty good deal, eh? 21:03 soul9 oh? 21:03 wizzyrea they are using it only for computer management, chris 21:03 soul9 cheers :) 21:03 SelfishMan There are a few others in here that can be found in the other channel 21:03 SelfishMan yep 21:02 soul9 SelfishMan, the very same? :) 21:01 chris does envisionware still need some middleware between the scanner and the ils? 21:00 wizzyrea gmcharlt: cool 21:00 chris just a barcode 21:00 wizzyrea was* 21:00 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I've closed 4326 - obv can reopen if it tuning their load balancer doesn't do the trick 21:00 wizzyrea yea, i suppose you could use any barcode as long as you told koha what it aws 21:00 chris yep 20:59 pianohacker Apparently hlt had a card or widget or _something_ with a blank barcode on it that they could scan 20:59 wizzyrea ah I see, clever 20:59 pianohacker wizzyrea: Under the old unix-based printing system, you didn't _have_ to print a slip; it just printed one when you scanned an empty barcode (i.e., submitted the checkout form with nothing in the barcode field) 20:58 wizzyrea oi, sorry you have to dig through all of my drivel 20:58 wizzyrea I'm pretty sure that it's his device that's causing the problem 20:57 wizzyrea up2u 20:57 wizzyrea you can kind of file it or attach it to annother ticket re: sip instability 20:57 gmcharlt ok, thanks for clarifying 20:57 wizzyrea re: sip instability 20:57 wizzyrea for the person at ottawa, I wanted you to know where that was at 20:57 gmcharlt wizzyrea: re SC 4326 (SIP2 & load balancing), was your email directed at us or the person at Ottaw? 20:56 wizzyrea k cool 20:55 gmcharlt wizzyrea: if the game of telephone gets too bad, we have contacts at envisionware 20:54 wizzyrea thanks 20:54 wizzyrea i'll forward that on to the tech in ottawa 20:54 wizzyrea gmcharlt: good question for envisionware 20:50 chris nearly 9am .. thats a record sleep in 20:50 wizzyrea Runn! 20:50 chris hmm i hear "daddy daddy" 20:50 chris *nod* 20:49 gmcharlt and stay out of your way if you don't want it to work in a particular way 20:49 wizzyrea lulz 20:49 chris not the way some dude in an office 10000km away thinks your library should work 20:49 wizzyrea (is so beautiful) 20:49 chris thats the thing with koha, it should be able to work the way you want it to work 20:49 wizzyrea I don't think we have that yet, gmcharlt, but yea, or that 20:48 gmcharlt or use email receipts 20:48 chris yep 20:48 wizzyrea some of our more green minded libraries ignore it altogether 20:48 wizzyrea but is kind of nice to not *have* to print a receipt every time 20:48 wizzyrea total automagic is nice too 20:48 wizzyrea I actually kind of like it the way it is 20:47 chris guys even 20:47 chris yep, so wanna put it back in so it works for them, and doesnt get in the way of you gus 20:47 wizzyrea but 20-30 libraries, all independent with their own IT folks... not so much 20:47 chris rdl only cover about 500km 20:47 wizzyrea it's one thing when you have one or two branches that you have total control over 20:46 chris yeah, yours is on a biggers scale 20:46 wizzyrea I didn't really want to go there with our system 20:46 chris you can do anything with ssh tunnels :) 20:46 wizzyrea yikes! I bow to you sir. 20:46 chris but yeah it would need to be covered by a syspref 20:46 chris over dsl lines 20:46 chris we do it at RDL 20:46 chris if the hosting system could talk to the printers then yep, but no not easily 20:46 wizzyrea b/c the old unix printer way doesn't really work with hosted systems. I mean, you COULD do it 20:45 gmcharlt chris: the lpr stuff? 20:45 chris depends 20:45 wizzyrea the way you're thinking of it? 20:45 wizzyrea would that work on hosted systems? 20:45 chris as part of hlt upgrading 20:45 chris i need to refactor and get the totally automagic printing slips back in 20:44 chris heh 20:42 wizzyrea oh do i ever. 20:42 pianohacker Ah, you _do_ work in the IT field 20:42 wizzyrea not to give you flashbacks 20:42 wizzyrea :D 20:42 wizzyrea IT"S NOT PRINTING OUR SLIPS OMG OMG 20:42 wizzyrea :O 20:42 pianohacker We almost had a staff revolt when I accidentally removed that code 20:41 pianohacker Ours too 20:41 wizzyrea i know it is in ours, anyway 20:41 pianohacker True 20:41 wizzyrea well, I do think that in public libraries that's probably a fairly universal desire, to print the slips "automagically" when you click print slip 20:40 pianohacker No kidding 20:39 wizzyrea I'm still learning git, a strange fantasy forest of learning on its own 20:39 pianohacker Hehehe 20:39 wizzyrea You're such an optimist. Love it. 20:39 pianohacker Oh, but this could be your opportunity to dive into the sysprefs code! You'd have such fun 20:38 wizzyrea but *you* are ^.^ 20:38 wizzyrea I'm not smrt enough to write that though ;) 20:38 wizzyrea I like it, I do 20:36 pianohacker Maybe "Automatically print checkout receipts when they are shown"? 20:36 wizzyrea but it would be handy 20:36 wizzyrea (and not waste a lot of paper) 20:36 wizzyrea you can still see it 20:36 wizzyrea and if you don't have the accompanying FF config change it won't autoprint it 20:35 wizzyrea you still have to click "print slip" 20:35 pianohacker Well no 20:35 pianohacker Would be a useful one to turn off on dev installs when tweaking the appearance of the receipt 20:35 wizzyrea well it's not *truly* automatic 20:35 wizzyrea Ah. 20:35 pianohacker Exactly 20:35 wizzyrea or somesuch? 20:35 wizzyrea so it would be "auto print reciepts ON or OFF?" 20:35 wizzyrea no no I like ideas :) 20:34 pianohacker This is just an idea; I think the patch is worth accepting as is 20:34 pianohacker The print->close javascript snippet 20:34 wizzyrea what do you "see" 20:34 wizzyrea the syspref 20:34 wizzyrea Hm. What would that be controlling exactly? 20:31 pianohacker I actually made that exact same modification for our library, but I think it should probably have a syspref associated with it 20:30 pianohacker wizzyrea: re your latest patch 20:26 schuster danny - that's what I was looking for yep thanks 20:17 danny schuster: i think you can also do it like itemtype NOT IN ('eq','per') 20:09 pianohacker np, good luck 20:09 schuster Thanks! 20:09 schuster well huh... I was trying to find an easier way than what you suggested I guess.... That works. 20:07 pianohacker So itemtype != 'eq' AND itemtype != 'per' ? 20:07 schuster I have tried <> 'eq, per' but that doesn't work, and not like 'eq, per' doesn't work either 20:07 schuster Yes... 2 different type of items eq and per from all the rest 20:06 pianohacker Are you trying to filter out items of a given type from a report? 20:06 Sharon != maybe? 20:06 schuster I can get <> 'eq' but how do I put 2 items in that "don't want" type statement? 20:05 schuster I need to find items not like eq and per ... 20:05 schuster question about sql - should know but can't figure out the syntax 19:44 wizzyrea simply ludicrous 19:44 pianohacker Qwest in Colorado is particularly bad that way 19:43 pianohacker hehe 19:43 wizzyrea and how often they change 19:43 wizzyrea but you'd be amazed at how many subnets some ISP's have 19:43 wizzyrea I run (among other things) a statewide proxy for internet filtering, we do that a lot 19:43 pianohacker Actually, I think the IP address field for the branch is a regex, so in _theory_ you could set it to .* for the libraries with non-fixed IPs 19:42 Sharon Liz says we have fixed IP at *most* of our branches, but not all...which is probably why it's off 19:40 Sharon pianohacker no, that is off 19:40 pianohacker Would only work if they have fixed IP addresses, of course 19:40 Sharon Let me check 19:39 pianohacker Sharon: Do your libraries use AutoLocation? 19:39 chris im cranky only because its 7.42am and im awake hehe 19:39 Sharon Chris I don't know, but I wish I did b/c I would (but then, I'm a bit cranky at the moment) 19:38 chris would probably stop it pretty fast 19:38 chris cos you could go punch them in the arm each time they did it 19:38 Sharon i'm just happy to hear it! 19:38 pianohacker1 I though the server admins were god 19:38 chris does the logging log when someone changes the library? 19:38 Sharon joe, god, whoever ;-) 19:38 gmcharlt or you could thank atz :) 19:37 Sharon y 19:37 Sharon thank god almight 19:37 gmcharlt for WALDO 19:37 pianohacker1 $ rm circ/selectbranchprinter.pl # :) 19:37 gmcharlt Sharon: actually, yes 19:37 Sharon is there anything in the works permission-wise to make changing the SET library more difficult? Staffers 'accidently' changing libraries are messin' up my stats and irritating me greatly. 19:23 chris yay for slides 19:16 gmcharlt atz++ 19:12 atz btw, #koha, i posted the slides from my KohaCon presentations 18:47 wizzyrea i just sent u a pm 18:47 atz wizzyrea: using jquery? what's the command 18:46 Sharon guilty as charged 18:46 wizzyrea hehe that's sharon's doing 18:46 atz lol "smut" list 18:44 atz ? 18:44 wizzyrea atz: have a sec (or two?) 17:01 wizzyrea i've moved on for now... such a weird problem 17:00 wizzyrea the cart 17:00 wizzyrea yea, and it shows on the other places: the results list 16:49 pianohacker Has to be something weird with the code, since the RequestOnOPAC syspref is obviously enabled. 16:45 wizzyrea or there's something else 16:45 wizzyrea mind* 16:45 wizzyrea so either there's something wrong with the underlying code (which I don't have access to) or I'm losing my min 16:45 wizzyrea I took the template straight from git 16:44 wizzyrea i'm frankly flummoxed 16:43 pianohacker There are two very similar tables built up to display lists, based on (I think) whether you can edit the list or not. Could that be it? 16:41 wizzyrea neither the checkboxes or the link are there, but the code is identical (afaik) 16:40 wizzyrea http://www.nexpresslibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/picture-13-300x110.png 16:40 wizzyrea we have a screenshot of it being there... 1s I'll link 16:39 wizzyrea it's just... gone 16:39 wizzyrea on test 16:39 wizzyrea but I haven't changed anything 16:39 wizzyrea and now... it's not 16:39 wizzyrea and it was showing up 16:39 wizzyrea is that 3 weeks ago we did the same thing on our test server 16:39 wizzyrea what's even weirder 16:39 wizzyrea yea, it should be 16:39 pianohacker It's not showing for me either; should it be in a cell at the end of each table row? 16:39 wizzyrea at least I'm *pretty sure* it's not the case 16:38 wizzyrea I'm wondering if there's something gone funny with jquery, but I don't think that's the case now 16:38 wizzyrea multiple holds, that is 16:38 wizzyrea http://nekls.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl?viewshelf=239 16:38 wizzyrea I have everything in place to show the link to place holds, but it's not showing 16:37 pianohacker What's going on? 16:37 pianohacker np 16:37 wizzyrea hm. Ok thanks :) 16:36 pianohacker intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/ 16:36 wizzyrea reeeeallly 16:36 pianohacker It's stored internally 16:36 wizzyrea where does koha load the jquery framework from? 12:23 mason back...