Time Nick Message 12:04 gmcharlt ataloging question of the day - how do you code a glass globe in MARC21 fixed fields? 12:04 gmcharlt *cataloging 12:07 hdl_laptop hi all 12:07 gmcharlt hi hdl_laptop 12:07 Amit hi hdl 12:07 hdl_laptop hehe gmcharlt.... 12:08 hdl_laptop give hints if you find an answer to that. 12:13 Amit hi danny 12:14 danny hi amit 12:14 jwagner gmcharlt, for the glass globe and the 007, see http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd007d.html -- glass isn't one of the physical medium choices, but there's always "other" 12:15 jwagner For the 008 see http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd008p.html -- position 25 has a choice for globe 12:16 jwagner 006 would be similar to 008 12:17 gmcharlt jwagner: yeah, but that's my point :) in the 007, lots of physical media are allowed for globes 12:17 gmcharlt but why not glass? 12:17 jwagner I speaketh not for the Library of Congress :-) 12:17 gmcharlt lol 12:20 kf lol 12:20 jwagner Mind you, some of my best friends work at LC. But they don't speak for it either.... 12:21 gmcharlt I sometimes have a feeling that that's the case with *everybody* who works for LC :) 12:22 jwagner One of my friends does work in the Maps section. Want me to ask her? I'm sure she'd have no official response :-) 12:23 gmcharlt hehe 12:23 gmcharlt no need to bother her - it's mostly a trick question 12:23 jwagner It's too early in the morning to be tricky! 12:26 jwagner Question for folks -- I know Koha is SIP2 compliant. Is it NCIP compliant yet? I saw mention of this as planned development in a fairly old document on the wiki, but nothing else. 12:27 gmcharlt jwagner: not at moment. I'm going to play around with the XC project's NCIP toolkit to see how well that works 12:27 jwagner OK, thanks. That's what I thought. So if someone is looking for things like self-check stations, etc., for right now they'd better be SIP2 compliant. 12:28 gmcharlt right - which in practice is not a big deal 12:28 jwagner Yeah, it should be pretty much standard now. 12:28 gmcharlt I don't know of any such things that support only NCIP 12:31 jwagner Believe me, if there were such things (only NCIP), these people would find them :-) 12:35 danny when I see patches come through with like [HEAD] or [Liblime Bug ...] are those git tags or are they just being typed? 12:36 gmcharlt they're being typed 12:36 danny ah ok 12:55 nahuel gmcharlt, it's really strange 12:55 nahuel that it doesn't apply 12:55 nahuel aaah ok 12:55 nahuel I did it for 3.0.x :) 12:56 nahuel i'll redo it for head 12:57 gmcharlt well, that would explain it :) 12:58 nahuel yep 12:58 nahuel nevermind 14:17 owen What, it's not about library software? http://www.kohamagazine.co.nz/ 14:18 nicomo and there's a "flash version of koha" lol 14:19 owen At one time someone talked of doing a Flash version of Koha 14:20 owen I think that the library that proposed it never ended up using Koha at all 14:22 jdavidb Hi, wizzyrea. :) 14:27 gmcharlt hi wizzyrea 14:28 gmcharlt wizzyrea: your patch didn't get received by the koha-patches, nor is it stuck in moderation, so you should try resending it 14:33 wizzyrea Yea, sendmail fail :) 14:33 wizzyrea and mornin 14:35 jwagner gmcharlt, "stuck in moderation" sounds like a dreadful state of being. One should be stuck in an extreme, no? :-) 14:58 nahuel gmcharlt, hi 14:58 gmcharlt hi nahuel 14:58 nahuel gmcharlt, do you remember how fuzzy queries are implemented in koha ? 14:59 gmcharlt nahuel: as options passed to a zebra query 14:59 gmcharlt I'm checking for the exact place 15:00 nahuel but does it need some configuration in zebra ? 15:00 nahuel that is marc21 only ? 15:00 nahuel because I can't get it working 15:00 nahuel i'm trying to search "misision" instead of "mission" and it doesn't find any results 15:00 gmcharlt just tacks on a 5=103 attribute to enable fuzzy searching 15:01 nahuel but 103 is not defined iirc 15:01 wizzyrea gmcharlt: I've got my outbound mail going, but my patch may have gotten stuck in moderation... please ignore it I'd rather it worked right than the gimp way it's working now 15:03 brendan hey nahuel 15:05 nahuel hey brendan ! 15:05 nahuel what's up ? 15:05 nahuel is new mexico great ? 15:07 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I got the patch unstuck 15:08 gmcharlt wizzyrea: to confirm, you don't want me to push it? 15:08 gmcharlt wizzyrea: also, please do a git config --global user.name "Foo" 15:08 gmcharlt and git config --global user.email "bar" 15:08 gmcharlt to set your correct name and email address for patches 15:08 gmcharlt I don't recognize root as a valid committer ;) 15:09 owen gmcharlt and I were talking about an issue yesterday that I'd like to get more input on 15:09 owen the opac and staff detail pages currently output volume information in a way that doesn't make sense to me 15:09 owen For example: http://acpl.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=384 15:09 owen The "425." that appears under the "normal view" link 15:10 owen That's getting pulled from biblioitems.volume. The template is configured to display "volumedesc" and "number" as well, although I don't think I've seen a real-life example of those 15:11 owen I'd prefer to eliminate that line and put the volume info next to the "Series" info, which is getting pulled from the MARC record anyway, rather than biblioitems 15:13 brendan ah nahuel - new mexico was excellent 15:14 brendan saw a scissor tailed flycather (cird) 15:14 brendan sorry bird 15:15 jdavidb brendan: see any roadrunners? We used to go to NM when I was a kid, and saw 'em all the time. 15:15 brendan no jdavidb -- was disappointed not to see one. :( - I haven't seen a roadrunner in so long 15:16 brendan they are just one of the coolest birds to see 15:17 jdavidb A lot depends on where you are; they're not so common in the mountain parts of the state. 15:18 jdavidb (and NM is 900 miles diagonally--lots of territory to cover.) 15:21 owen nahuel, nicomo, hdl_laptop, do any of you know of good examples where volume, volumedesc and number are displayed on opac-detail.pl? 15:24 nicomo owen : not from the top of my head, no 15:24 hdl_laptop for instance, comic books with multiple volumes. 15:26 owen hdl_laptop: In that case, doesn't it make as much sense to put the volume number with the series title? 15:26 hdl_laptop it appears that series title is for journals. from what I saw in your code 15:27 hdl_laptop in koha's code rather 15:27 owen I don't know about UNIMARC, but 440 and 490 in MARC21 could also represent book series 15:28 owen Not necessarily for journals. Maybe gmcharlt can tell us 15:29 wizzyrea hey, I have a bizarre kind of problem... I have a bib (eclipse, stephanie meyers) that has a TON of items, but it won't display, it either tries to download the .pl file or shows a bunch of junk characters as output 15:29 wizzyrea this is in staff interface 15:29 wizzyrea is there a max number of items you can hang on a bib? 15:30 wizzyrea I should say, the detail page won't display 15:30 wizzyrea it shows up in results 15:32 wizzyrea 40 items, to be exact 15:33 owen I'm sure you're not running into any kind of limit just at 40 15:33 wizzyrea is very bizarre 15:34 owen Can you open the record in the MARC editor? I wonder if some kind of encoding problem could cause that 15:36 gmcharlt owen: 440/490 are actually primarily for book series, not for journal holdings 15:37 gmcharlt for a case where you want to display a series title, if a volume number in the series is known, you generally want to display it next to the series title 15:38 owen Am I hearing that I can take out the volume, volumedesc, and number display without upsetting anyone? I'd put series title and volume info together instead. 15:38 owen I'm not sure what "volumedesc" might display, so I'm not positive my solution covers that 15:39 gmcharlt owen: OK with me - for MARC21, it's definitely cleaner if it's coming from the 440/490 15:41 wizzyrea I can't get to the detail page to download the record 15:45 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=81504 15:45 wizzyrea lol, how's that for fire 15:47 wizzyrea same in the staff interface 15:53 danny yikes 15:54 wizzyrea iknorite 16:04 jwagner Question for anyone on Koha searching. Koha doesn't seem to allow for searching with diacritics. Even if you enter the word with all the diacritics, a search doesn't find it. Is this the way it's supposed to work? (Or at least the way it does work?) 16:05 gmcharlt no, searches with diacritics should work 16:07 jwagner Hmmm. Anything that needs to be configured? We imported some Korean titles and tried searching for Usu?m kwa kamdong (sorry, there's a diacritic in there). Couldn't find it searching with the diacritic, but it did come up just searching kamdong or any word without a diacritic. 16:08 jwagner Should they just be trying to search Usum without trying to enter the diacritic? 16:08 jwagner That's what I think bug 2629 is saying. 16:19 wizzyrea owen: I was able to edit the marc record, it was set to default framework, so I switched it to our standard framework, but it wouldn't stick. 16:42 wizzyrea completely weird 16:54 pianohacker wizzyrea: yay patch! 17:04 wizzyrea :D it's a silly lil one but is the first so WOO! 18:14 jwagner gmcharlt, still online? 18:14 gmcharlt what's up? 18:14 jwagner We had a major network glitch so I don't know if my email made it out. I've redone the advanced search patch & am resending (new patch, doesn't need to be merged with the other one). 18:17 gmcharlt jwagner: checked - new patch has shown up 18:18 jwagner Thanks. Network is bouncing like crazy right now. The IRC seems to be the only thing that doesn't drop. Oh, well. 18:19 owen If you're not sure you could always check to see if a patch made it to the patches list: http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/ 18:21 jwagner I could if I could connect to the blarsted network. Harrumph. 18:21 jwagner Dunno why the IRC has stayed stable. 18:53 wizzyrea it's not running on port 80, for one 18:54 wizzyrea maybe your firewall is having a stroke 18:56 wizzyrea and it's got a constant keepalive on the connection. We've seen this at our office: something that has a constant connection will stay up while other things can't establish connection. 18:56 wizzyrea but anyway 19:12 owen anyone have any good strategies for managing a patch that's gotten so old the doesn't merge cleanly? 19:12 pianohacker owen: There's git apply --reject 19:13 owen My problem is I'm having hard time seeing clearly what the original patch did. I wonder if I should create a branch contemporary with the original patch and apply it there 19:15 gmcharlt owen: that sounds useful 19:25 owen Ugh, patch failing. Maybe that's why it wasn't accepted in the first place :( 19:28 joetho owen, check your oleonard_at_myacpl.org email. from jtholen_at_sekls.org. $$$$ 19:29 chris hmmm i should go catch a bus i guess 19:37 joetho owen: whoops, just saw yours. Never mind. 20:45 pianohacker chris: You said something about res 20:45 pianohacker *restarting paid koha work on monday. How's that going? 20:45 chris pretty good, sent off my first quote 20:46 chris and getting back to some more prospective leads today 20:46 chris im enjoying being able to submit patches during work time :) 20:49 wizzyrea the rest of us are appreciative as well 20:49 wizzyrea ^.^ 20:49 chris heh 21:21 wizzyrea whoa, love that guy who's leaving for korea in 2 days and wants to know "how to do koha" 21:21 chris hehe yeah, planning-- 21:22 wizzyrea i've also noticed no one has answered him 21:22 chris doug just did 21:22 chris with a polite rtfm :-) 21:22 gmcharlt :) 21:22 gmcharlt about the best you can do 21:22 chris yup 21:24 wizzyrea yea, there's a koha live cd out there somewhere though, right? 21:25 wizzyrea (or did I dream that) 21:25 chris theres been a few of them 21:25 chris going back to the one steve tonnessen did in 2002 21:26 chris but i don't know the current state 21:28 wizzyrea that would probably be (besides rtfm) the easiest route 21:31 chris i think the dvd's from k's helping hand 21:32 chris complete with video tutorials 21:32 chris would be good too 21:46 chris http://scls.typepad.com/link2koha/ 21:46 chris another one for the blogroll 21:57 wizzyrea Alright folks. is 5pm in KS, ttyl :) 23:24 brendan heya #koha people 23:25 chris hey brendan 23:26 brendan chris - good evening... excellent day here 23:28 chris excellent, get them all enthused? 23:33 brendan pushed community work !!! so maybe we'll get a few more -- lurkers at first 23:33 chris cool 01:10 pianohacker good night #koha 03:16 Amit hi chris, brendan, mason good morning 03:16 brendan heya Amit 03:16 brendan how you doing? 03:16 Amit fine right now working on opennms u? 03:17 brendan having fun 03:17 Amit yes 03:17 Amit tommorrow is my off 03:17 Amit due to Labour day on 1st may 03:17 brendan cool do you work on saturday 03:17 Amit so long weekend holiday 03:17 Amit no 03:17 brendan cool 03:17 brendan have fun 03:17 Amit friday, sat, sund off 03:17 brendan play some cricket 03:17 Amit hmm 03:18 Amit u work on sat 03:27 brendan I always work amit 03:28 Amit k 07:01 fredericd hello 07:03 nahuel brendan, you went back at home ? 07:08 chris hi fredericd and nahuel 07:08 nahuel hi chris ! 07:35 Hui_Nan_ hello all! 07:35 chris hi Hui_Nan_ 07:35 Hui_Nan_ I'm trying to configure a custom MARC framework 07:37 Hui_Nan_ I created it from the default one, configured some default values 07:37 Hui_Nan_ and now I get "Tag "" is not a valid tag. at /home/www/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2656" 07:37 Hui_Nan_ when trying to save a record 07:38 Hui_Nan_ default framework is tested and is ok 07:39 Hui_Nan_ I got a feeling, that some of the fields in my custom framework have to be linked to koha's DB fields 07:39 chris does the manual help at all? 07:39 Hui_Nan_ it certainly helps 07:42 Hui_Nan_ but I have done everything as described in manual for "MARC bibliographic frameworks" 07:48 chris hmm you might have to ask on the mailing list, unless one of the europeans online knows the answer .. because i dont im afraid 07:51 hdl_laptop Hui_Nan_: Is your custom framework ok with tests ? 07:51 hdl_laptop Hui_Nan_: Have you looked at the file the test is creating ? 07:54 Hui_Nan_ checkmarc.pl says "Configuration OK, you don't have errors in your MARC parameters table" 07:55 Hui_Nan_ but how can I be sure that a custom framework is also tested? 07:56 Hui_Nan_ am I using a right tool? What file do you mean? 07:58 hdl_laptop Hui_Nan_: was something in 2.2 and not 3.0 07:58 hdl_laptop have checked. and ok... 07:59 Hui_Nan_ in a context help there is a note: 07:59 Hui_Nan_ Koha link : very important. Koha is multi-MARC compliant. So, it does not know what the 245$a means, neither what 200$f (those 2 fields being both the title in MARC21 and UNIMARC !). So, in this list you can "map" a MARC subfield to it's meaning. Koha constantly maintains consistency between a subfield and it's meaning. When the user want to search on "title", this link is used to find what is searched (245 if you're MARC21, 200 if you're UNIMARC). 07:59 Hui_Nan_ -- 07:59 hdl_laptop do you have Mysqlclient access ? 07:59 Hui_Nan_ sure 08:00 Hui_Nan_ does the text above mean that I have to link fields to koha manually for every custom framework? 08:01 hdl_laptop No. 08:01 Hui_Nan_ good %-)) 08:01 hdl_laptop But you have to ensure that all the subfields are related to a nonempty tag. 08:02 hdl_laptop select * from marc_subfield_structure where tagfield="" or tagfield IS NULL; 08:02 Hui_Nan_ 0 rows fetched 08:04 hdl_laptop select * from marc_subfield_structure LEFT JOIN marc_tag_structure ON marc_tag_structure.frameworkcode=marc_subfield_structure.frameworkcode and marc_tag_structure.tagfield=marc_subfield_structure.tagfield where marc_tag_structure.tagfield IS NULL; 08:04 Hui_Nan_ 0 rows fetched 08:07 hdl_laptop ah... 08:07 hdl_laptop Link Marc::Koha 08:07 hdl_laptop table biblioitems 08:07 hdl_laptop biblioitems.biblioitemnumber should be linked to a tag/subfield 08:08 hdl_laptop either it is linked to mode than one, 08:08 hdl_laptop OR it is not linked. 08:09 Hui_Nan_ select * from marc_subfield_structure where frameworkcode <> '' and kohafield = 'biblioitems.biblioitemnumber' 08:09 Hui_Nan_ returns 999$a 08:09 hdl_laptop SELECT tagfield, subfieldcode from marc_subfield_structure where kohafield="biblioitems.bibliotemnumber" 08:10 hdl_laptop SELECT tagfield, subfieldcode from marc_subfield_structure where kohafield="biblio.biblionumber" 08:10 Hui_Nan_ should I enter some data to that 999$a? 08:11 hdl_laptop no. 08:11 hdl_laptop it should be automatically managed. 08:12 hdl_laptop but i would use the same tag for biblio and biblioitemnumber 08:13 Hui_Nan_ koha-error_log: 08:14 Hui_Nan_ addbiblio.pl: Use of uninitialized value $biblioitem_tag in numeric ne (!=) at /home/www/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2623 08:14 Hui_Nan_ Use of uninitialized value $biblio_tag in numeric ne (!=) at /home/www/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2623 08:14 Hui_Nan_ + $biblio_subfield + $biblioitem_subfield 08:15 hdl_laptop same tag but not same subfield. 08:15 hdl_laptop For instance 999$9 biblio.biblionumber 08:15 hdl_laptop 999$a biblioitems.biblioitemnumber 08:15 hdl_laptop no subfield for biblioitems.biblionumber 08:16 Hui_Nan_ correct 08:17 hdl_laptop is that what you did ? 08:19 Hui_Nan_ there were no mapping for biblioitems.biblionumber 08:19 Hui_Nan_ i mapped it to 999$9 08:19 Hui_Nan_ The line where the error appears now is changed 08:19 hdl_laptop please clear that 08:20 hdl_laptop and map biblio.biblionumber to 999$9 08:20 hdl_laptop and not anything else 08:21 Hui_Nan_ done, the error appears on another line of Biblio.pm 08:22 hdl_laptop which one ? 08:22 Hui_Nan_ Tag "" is not a valid tag. at /home/www/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1663 08:22 Hui_Nan_ now, the log: 08:23 Hui_Nan_ Use of uninitialized value $biblionumbertagfield in numeric lt (<) at /home/www/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1663 08:23 Hui_Nan_ ups, there's something strange: 08:24 Hui_Nan_ addbiblio.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha.auth_subfield_table' doesn't exist at /home/www/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_210c.pl line 72 08:24 hdl_laptop do the same for all the frameworks, and especially the default one. 08:24 hdl_laptop Are you using UNIMARC ? 08:24 Hui_Nan_ yes 08:25 hdl_laptop unimarc_field_210c is deprecated. 08:25 hdl_laptop should be unplugged from 210c subfield 08:25 Hui_Nan_ it must be a date, so I just turn off the plugin 08:28 hdl_laptop yes 08:29 Hui_Nan_ still 08:29 Hui_Nan_ addbiblio.pl: Use of uninitialized value $biblionumbertagfield in numeric lt (<) at /home/www/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1663 08:29 Hui_Nan_ Tag "" is not a valid tag. at /home/www/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1663 08:30 Hui_Nan_ biblioitems.biblionumber is mapped to 999$b in all frameworks 08:30 hdl_laptop biblioitems.biblionumber is not relevant 08:31 hdl_laptop biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber ARE 08:32 hdl_laptop biblioitems.biblionumber is only used internally and should NOT be mapped to anything in fact. 08:37 Hui_Nan_ there are also a couple of errors like 08:37 Hui_Nan_ select * from marc_subfield_structure LEFT JOIN marc_tag_structure ON marc_tag_structure.frameworkcode=marc_subfield_structure.frameworkcode and marc_tag_structure.tagfield=marc_subfield_structure.tagfield where marc_tag_structure.tagfield IS NULL 08:37 Hui_Nan_ sorry 08:37 Hui_Nan_ HTML::Template::Pro:in TMPL_IF at pos 20087:end tag:found 1 instead of > at pos 20147 08:37 Hui_Nan_ which means that somewhere <!-- /TMPL_IF --> is missing, I guess 08:38 Hui_Nan_ should not be a problem 09:00 Hui_Nan_ hdl_laptop: is there some comprehensible instruction on what all those koha fields mean and how important they are for cataloguing 09:00 Hui_Nan_ ? 09:02 hdl_laptop yes :http://www.degruyter.de/cont/fb/bb/detail.cfm?id=IS-9783598242847-1 09:02 hdl_laptop :D 09:03 Hui_Nan_ i meant things like biblio.biblionumber, not unimarc 09:03 Hui_Nan_ %-) 09:04 hdl_laptop otherwise, look here : http://archive.ifla.org/VI/3/p1996-1/sec-uni.htm 09:05 hdl_laptop french and english documentation can be found on https://sites.google.com/a/liblime.com/koha-manual/Home/Table-of-Contents 09:05 hdl_laptop french on www.koha-fr.org 09:21 Hui_Nan_ i've got it! 09:22 Hui_Nan_ frameworkcode was in russian, it passed to GetMarcFromKohaField as %D0%96%D0%A3%D0%A0%D0%9D 09:22 Hui_Nan_ have to urldecode first %-) 09:24 Hui_Nan_ sorry, it looks like this: \xd0\x96\xd0\xa3\xd0\xa0\xd0\x9d 09:24 hdl_laptop wow... Nice catch ;) 09:26 Hui_Nan_ why does it looks like this? 09:32 hdl_laptop it is unmanaged i think 09:33 hdl_laptop maybe you ought to have an ASCII fwkcode 09:38 hdl_laptop chris: what is compound report ? 10:00 chris when you can combine reports 10:02 hdl_laptop this part is not coded yet is it ? 10:02 chris partially, but not completed 10:02 chris well it wasnt completed last time i looked at it 10:03 chris im still of the opinion we should be finding a good sql reporting tool and using that, rather than trying to build one 10:04 chris something like datavision 10:07 hdl_laptop it looks very heavy weight. 10:09 chris yep its just one example 10:09 chris my point is, doing reports on sql databases is a problem that has been solved many times already 10:09 Hui_Nan_ $input->charset('utf-8') after CGI->new in addbiblio.pm solves the problem 10:11 hdl_laptop chris: ok. But taking the first report designer (would it be the best) won't make it available into Koha unless it can launch external processes. 10:11 chris sure, i also dont think it needs to be in koha 10:11 chris building a huge monolithic tool is not the way to go 10:12 hdl_laptop ++ 10:13 hdl_laptop But so many things are done the monolithic way that it is hard to come up with sthg modular now. 10:13 chris yep, but i think we should try not to keep making it bigger .. and try to modularise whenever we can 10:15 chris i think that what lenora has started, putting sql statements up for others to use is a great idea :) 10:16 Hui_Nan_ bye 10:16 chris then people could use phpmyadmin .. or datavision or crystal reports ... or koha 10:19 chris hdl_laptop: do you have a plan for 3.0.2 ? 10:19 hdl_laptop working on that. 10:19 chris are there any bugs you would like me to work on? 10:19 hdl_laptop But hard. 10:40 gmcharlt good morning 10:40 chris hi gmcharlt 10:47 gmcharlt g'night 10:55 hdl_laptop hi 11:47 Amit hi jwagner 11:56 jwagner Hi Amit -- sorry, was on another screen. Good afternoon/evening! 11:57 Amit good evening here in india yours? 11:59 jwagner Moderately early morning. I get to work at 7:30 to beat the traffic, not because I'm awake :-(