Time Nick Message 08:04 chris cool 08:04 nahuel i'll put my photos online tonight 08:00 chris hehe 07:59 nahuel base ball time ! 07:59 nahuel beer time ! 07:59 nahuel ahah 07:58 chris nahuel: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=69678 07:54 elwell cool ta 07:54 chris the conference organising people are putting them all up and linking them in, should be all up there along with the video in the next few days 07:53 elwell are there any more slides avalable than those on http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=conferenceprogram ? 07:53 chris hi paul and eiro 07:47 eiro hello kohackers 07:39 nahuel i prefer the train :) 07:39 nahuel every time : the shoes, the bag, the laptop, the papers 07:39 nahuel and too much controled 07:38 nahuel and can't sleep 07:38 nahuel too long 07:37 chris it was ok :) how was yours? 07:37 nahuel chris, your plane was great ? 07:37 nahuel hey ! 07:35 chris hi nahuel 06:41 elwell irssi+screen ftw as they say. 06:41 elwell piano^I damn not here 04:51 chris cool 04:51 pianohacker chris: Yes, I did, thanks 04:50 pianohacker Pidgin is starting to get tiresome 04:50 pianohacker I really need to spend some time setting up irssi/screen. If not on a server, at least on my machine 04:28 chris heh, 04:28 chris pianohacker: you saw the photos of you on flickr? 04:23 chris yep 04:20 pianohacker Always nice to find a pocket of familiarity 04:20 pianohacker Heh, yeah 04:19 chris so at least i had someone to hang out with in LA 04:18 chris the big coincidence was that on my flight from dallas, was a woman who was moving to nz 04:16 chris there was none of that pre 2002 04:16 chris yeah, i still get fingerprinted and photo's taken 04:16 pianohacker So not as noticable as say, 2002 04:15 pianohacker Ah, okay 04:15 chris actually no, 2007 04:15 chris 2006 04:15 chris and dfw had free internet and power 04:15 pianohacker Paranoia's probably descended a tad. When were you last over here? 04:15 chris i even got a few smiles 04:14 chris althought having said that, everyone was a lot more pleasant than the last time i was flying in the US 04:14 pianohacker Hah! An improvement over the US, then 04:14 chris no, you are allowed to make a joke in nz, and they wont beat you up or shoot you :) 04:13 pianohacker Are they as bad in NZ? 04:13 chris the flights i dont mind, its the airports i hate 04:12 pianohacker Flying even short distances is exhausting; I know I felt better after a six-hour drive yesterday than I feel after most three-hour flights 04:11 pianohacker Heh, no kidding 04:11 chris because anything i type today, will be garbage :) 04:11 chris take the day off 04:10 pianohacker What's work having you do today? 04:10 pianohacker hey 04:10 chris heya pianohacker 04:09 pianohacker 'allo again 03:50 chris hehe 03:50 SelfishMan I might get kicked out of the state for saying that 03:49 SelfishMan I think we prefer the term "rednecks" though 03:49 SelfishMan Well that's cool 03:48 chris SelfishMan: i had a lot of fun hanging out with the montanians (is that even a word) during the conference 03:39 SelfishMan ugh...bag pipes 03:35 brendan :) 03:33 chris if i lived in the US, id be a baseball fan im sure 03:33 chris it was a good night 03:33 chris yeah turned out suprising well 03:31 brendan the fireworks look pretty cool 03:30 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvtkgA1NVkM&feature=channel_page 03:30 chris hehe yeah, it wasnt pleasant 03:30 brendan oh man that was so bad on the ears... I've never heard take me out to the ball game on bag pipes before -- I wonder why? 03:29 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faHqjWCKtKE&feature=channel_page 03:26 chris but a couple turned out ok 03:26 chris yeah my camera is not good in the low light 03:26 chris im just putting up the videos now 03:25 brendan got a decent action shot 03:25 brendan thanks chris -- sonja and I enjoyed! 03:21 chris brendan: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=69664 03:06 chris heh 03:05 brendan chris time for some of the peanut butter I know you snuck back with you ;) 02:53 chris gah its only 3pm and im falling asleep 00:45 chris screen rules 00:45 chris sweet :) 00:44 brendan but I should be getting screen set up on my server's sometime soon 00:44 brendan different isp's 00:44 brendan I switch from the office to home... 00:30 chris hmm different isp brendan? 23:57 chris bye 23:57 chris hi Jane_Wagner 23:47 jwagner gmcharlt, online? 23:39 chris got a couple of hours on the flight 23:38 chris yeah i got to the airport in dallas pretty early too, got a ride with david, so went with all the others 23:38 pianohacker So 18 hours of flying plus delays. You manage to get any sleep? 23:37 chris 3 hours from dallas to la, then 13 from la to auckland, then 1 from auckland to wellington 23:36 pianohacker How long was your flight? 23:29 chris ohh very cool 23:28 pianohacker Useful tool for keeping track of the various Koha developer locales: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/personal.html?cities=805,176,136,264 23:21 chris hehe excellent 23:20 brendan worth the drive - it was so good. 23:20 brendan but i was able to get some good new mexician food the other day! 23:20 brendan no I made it home early this moring 23:20 chris tired by trying to stay awake 23:20 chris thanks brendan, you still in new mexico? 23:20 brendan tired or wide awake? 23:19 brendan hey chris -- glad you made it ok 23:19 chris thanks, and you too :) 23:18 pianohacker Hello, glad you made it home safely 23:11 chris thanks 23:11 richard wb :) 23:10 chris yep 23:10 richard back in nz? 23:10 chris back 21:16 liz_nekls Weren't you the one assaulting the rubber food at Fruit King as well? 21:14 joetho2 joetho2 and joetho are one and the same, just trying out my client prefs. And I didn't throw food, not really. Rubber food doesn't count. 21:09 pianohacker Ahh, of course. Suddenly, my memory becomes quite vivid 21:08 liz_nekls pianohacker: yea, he threw plastic food at you 21:08 pianohacker joetho2: Were you at KohaCon? I think we might have met, but I don't know your real name 21:07 joetho2 whoops 20:36 nick bye for now 20:34 nick thanks for everything 20:31 liz_nekls :) sounds like a plan 20:30 nick i will start with it first 20:30 nick i downloaded drupal 20:28 liz_nekls honestly I'd just download them both and fiddle around with them 20:28 liz_nekls yep. 20:28 pianohacker nick: Almost surely, but it would be good to check 20:27 nick PDF or word documents can be saved in drupal and joomla, right? 20:27 liz_nekls er, if you can manage koha, you can manage joomla or drupal (my opinion of course) 20:26 liz_nekls if you can do koha, you can do joomla or drupal 20:24 nick hope i can manage 20:23 nick didn't deal with CMS before 20:23 nick the tutorial is good yeah 20:23 liz_nekls yea, that documentation is getting better. Would have really helped me a year or so ago. ^.^ 20:22 JoeTho there is a pretty good ubuntu tootorial for koha 20:22 liz_nekls (I luvs me some apt-get) 20:22 nick but it's not worth it 20:22 nick i am familiar to rpms as redhat 20:22 liz_nekls (which of course ubuntu is based upon) 20:21 liz_nekls debian is the most common distro for koha 20:21 nick my experience with linux is back to suse 9 20:21 liz_nekls probably wise :) 20:21 nick so i am gonna stick to ubuntu 20:21 pianohacker I generally try to shy away from rpm-based distros in general :) 20:21 nick once i moved to ubuntu, everything was much easier 20:21 liz_nekls *shudder* 20:21 nick it was a disaster 20:20 nick i tried koha on redhat 5 20:20 liz_nekls in my experience both will work on any LAMP config 20:19 liz_nekls (which is no small feat on ubuntu, kudos to you) 20:19 nick i already have installed koha successfully 20:19 nick as long they work on ubuntu 8.04 20:18 liz_nekls it's mostly preference 20:18 liz_nekls I'd have a hard time ranking them as which is "better" 20:17 liz_nekls idk, both joomla and drupal have pretty active communities 20:16 nick i would keep that in mind 20:16 nick liz_nekls: that is a great idea 20:16 nick more documented maybe? 20:16 liz_nekls well, if you had historical documents that needed to be properly cataloged using some flavor of MARC, and had a separate place to keep them to link to, then Koha would be great for you 20:15 nick which one do u suggest to begin with? 20:15 pianohacker nick: Yes to both 20:15 liz_nekls should 20:13 nick work under ubuntu? 20:13 nick those drupal and joomla are open source? 20:13 nick i care about little stuff, like keywords 20:12 nick actually yes 20:12 nick thought that Koha would be the solution 20:12 liz_nekls if you only care about keywords 20:12 liz_nekls drupal, joomla 20:12 liz_nekls my instinct says you probably want a CMS 20:11 nick i want to store PDF documents in a database and have the ability to search the database for documents by keywords and read them 20:11 liz_nekls re: nick 20:10 liz_nekls er, AND = but 20:10 liz_nekls You want to store PDF documents online, but be able to MARC catalog them? 20:09 nick do i need koha or a cms system? 20:09 pianohacker I think that would actually be fairly easy, since nengard already has a page in the manual for each tab. Good idea, let me send an email to her asking about that 20:08 nick and have the ability to read them 20:08 nick i need an interface for this database where i can search for documents 20:08 JoeTho you are a rocketscientist, jesse. 20:07 nick i need to save documents in a database 20:07 nick so maybe guys you can tell me what is the best for my case 20:07 JoeTho pianohacker: even better: make 'em link to the general corresponding area of the docs, so if the docs change you don't need to alter your code. 20:07 pianohacker nick: yes 20:07 nick content management system? 20:07 pianohacker JoeTho: Ehh, true. I'll probably send in the first patch with More Info where it's absolutely necessary, however 20:06 nick liz_nekls: what are those CMS? 20:06 JoeTho pianacker: I just took a quick tour, and the "more info" idea could be used in all sorts of places throughout the prefs. Tons. 20:05 nick i want to know if i will get a url in the search results? 20:05 pianohacker I know it will show up on the detail page for a given document, but not sure about the search results page 20:04 pianohacker nick: Do you mean having that linked url show up in search results? 20:04 liz_nekls nick: it would be neat if koha did that but... would kind of turn it into a CMS and... well I'm not going to put a value judgement on that but would be a big change 20:04 nick using the library, i can search for documents and as a result i will get a link, right? 20:03 nick my second question, 20:03 nick ok, good. thanks for directing me 20:02 pianohacker And store them either on a webserver or within a program such as Kete 20:02 pianohacker Ahh, okay. Koha currently does not support storing PDFs inside itself. You would have to link to them in the 856u MARC field. 20:01 nick can i save them in the library? 20:01 nick a collection of PDFs 20:01 nick is a collection of documents 20:01 nick the library i want to create 20:00 pianohacker nick: How do you mean saving PDFs? Exporting various reports as PDFs? 20:00 pianohacker ISBD or NoZebraIndexes 19:59 pianohacker In fact, in line with the current system, textareas behave this way: http://weaverhome.rlogin.org:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=cataloguing 19:59 nick can i retrieve them and read them whenever i want? 19:59 liz_nekls have complicated repercussions 19:59 liz_nekls in fact, more info is probably a good idea for lots of settings that 19:59 nick if i configure koha to save pdf documents for example 19:58 liz_nekls I like "More Info" 19:58 gmcharlt +1 19:57 pianohacker Either that, or a "More Info" link that expanded within that space. 19:56 pianohacker Hmm 19:54 JoeTho how about: "enable/disable *independent branch settings* " ...and make *that* a popup that explains this, in more detail than you have room for in a single line on the prefs page? 19:52 JoeTho *was 19:52 JoeTho the old wording as pretty minimal. 19:51 pianohacker IndependantBranches actually affects quite a lot, still trying to figure out the best description 19:50 gmcharlt JoeTho: yes, IndependantBranches also affects circ 19:49 JoeTho I also like leaving out the link on each line (as compared to the current module). 19:49 JoeTho piano: so... is the only difference with the indep. branch settings just being able to modify bib/items/patrons in other libraries? I thought there was more than that, like how holds and transfers work. 19:44 pianohacker liz_nekls, Sharon: glad you like it 19:44 Sharon pianohacker much easier to understand the sysprefs using this 'normal' language 19:41 liz_nekls pianohacker: very, very good ideas all around. 19:39 pianohacker gmcharlt: That would be more consistent; the main reasoning behind the change was convenience, but I suppose that can wait until I've gotten AJAX and per-preference saving working. 19:38 danny ok 19:38 gmcharlt danny: they're in a git repo, but I'm not sure how public - you can ask paul_p or hdl 19:38 gmcharlt or rather, match the common pattern for a preferences page 19:38 danny oh and that reminds me, does anyone know if the acq changes that biblibre is working on are available on a public git? 19:37 gmcharlt but it really is "save all"? in that case, a single save all button (or one at top, and one at bottom) would be clearer 19:36 pianohacker gmcharlt: Save is disabled for the public demo 19:36 gmcharlt pianohacker: "Save all" button should just be "save" - otherwise user might think that all settings modified on the page will be saved, which doesn't appear to be the case 19:35 pianohacker danny: My git repository is currently not public. I will be sending a patch to the mailing list within a week or so, tho 19:35 pianohacker gmcharlt: Yes, I can see that happening. Lemme fix that really quick 19:34 danny pianohacker, i am definitely interested in it, do you have anywhere that I can "git" it from to try? 19:34 gmcharlt pianohacker: when you modify a value, then modify it again, another "(modified)" gets added underneath 19:32 gmcharlt you forget to mention the worm you wrote that distributes Koha *everywhere*? ;) 19:32 pianohacker Ach, http://weaverhome.rlogin.org:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=admin 19:32 pianohacker http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=admin (some tabs have not yet been finished) 19:30 pianohacker Is there anyone currently online interested in the new sysprefs editor? I have a demo up 19:23 Sharon That angry icon is directed at me, the impulsive one... 18:59 liz_nekls i'm like, DOH, lemme take a look! 18:59 liz_nekls gmcharlt: yes, I believe so. I was at lunch when they decided to pursue it. :/ 18:56 gmcharlt liz_nekls: so emailing lists is working for you now? 18:48 liz_nekls and the koha installer is a whole lot better documented than it used to be. Kudos to whoever did that. 18:47 liz_nekls (the send list/cart/shelf thing) 18:47 liz_nekls was a problem with the template (I know you're all shocked to hear this) 18:46 liz_nekls ours is totally working 18:26 JoeTho Let me clarify: emailing a list has never worked. Koha itself just started to quit working in the last 36 hours or so. 18:25 JoeTho Ours has never worked. 18:19 Sharon Liz is going to look into it, too. 18:16 Sharon gmcharlt Emails are not being sent, instead of a confirmation form I just get a blank entry form again 18:07 Sharon Thanks, I'm alerting our vendor 18:06 jwagner Sharon, I just tested sending a list, and it came through fine here, on a system I built from koha.org last Saturday. 17:59 Sharon Gmcharlt I'll send a support request about it, then in case is a problem with our installation 17:59 gmcharlt how is it failing for you? is the email form not appearing, or are emails not being sent? 17:58 gmcharlt Sharon: emailing lists works for me in HEAD 17:56 hdl_laptop nick: have you entered any categories for patrons ? 17:40 Sharon Has anyone else tested bug/enhancement 2908 and found that the email cart (basket) works, but emailing a list (shelf) doesn't? 17:14 nick u were right guys, thank u 17:14 nick jdavidb and gmcharlt 17:13 nick someone has to look for more than two sites so he can manage 17:13 nick following only one site for details is not enough :S 17:12 nick i should have added a Patron Category in order to add a Patron 17:11 nick can i get here any guideness on how to start with koha? 17:10 nick ok, i will try it, thank u 17:10 gmcharlt indeed, if you don't have any categories defined yet, it won't work 17:09 jdavidb nick: I betcha that's it. 17:09 nick do i need do add one first so i can add Patrons then? 17:09 gmcharlt JoeTho: yes - with Dan Sweeney 17:09 nick Patron Categories 17:09 nick i noticed under Administration 17:08 nick maybe, i am missing sth 17:08 nick under Acquisitions --> + Vendor and + Order work just fine 17:07 nick just under Patrons 17:06 nick same as list 17:06 nick under acquisitions the buttons do work 17:06 JoeTho gmcharlt: conference call in about an hour, correct? 17:05 gmcharlt nick: that button uses JavaScript and the YUI library - do you have JavaScript disabled or no net access from the Koha you've installed Koha on? 17:04 nick i am trying to follow those instructions: http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-8.html 17:03 nick maybe i am missing sth 17:03 nick do i have to do sth before adding a Patron? 17:03 nick it seems the button is broken 17:02 nick nth happens 17:02 JoeTho Hmm. what happens when you try to add a patron +New? anything at all? 17:01 nick i can add a "List" 17:01 nick managed to add Acquisitions 17:01 nick does not work 17:01 nick under Patrons --> + New 17:00 JoeTho I would troubleshoot by seeing if you can alter anything at all. 17:00 nick a looged into 127.0.1.1:8080 17:00 nick first time koha 17:00 JoeTho I'm not sure if I can help you with this- have you used an older version before? 16:59 nick hello JoeTho 16:58 JoeTho Hi Nick 16:57 nick "+ New" does not work 16:57 nick under Patrons 16:57 nick i can't add a patron though 16:57 nick all working fine 16:57 nick managed to install koha 3 under ubuntu 8 16:56 nick hello 15:21 jwagner Is someone around who's familiar with the famfamfam/silk/*.png images? 13:58 jwagner nick jwagner jwagner_away