Time  Nick        Message
08:04 chris       cool
08:04 nahuel      i'll put my photos online tonight
08:00 chris       hehe
07:59 nahuel      base ball time !
07:59 nahuel      beer time !
07:59 nahuel      ahah
07:58 chris       nahuel: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=69678
07:54 elwell      cool ta
07:54 chris       the conference organising people are putting them all up and linking them in, should be all up there along with the video in the next few days
07:53 elwell      are there any more slides avalable than those on http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=conferenceprogram ?
07:53 chris       hi paul and eiro
07:47 eiro        hello kohackers
07:39 nahuel      i prefer the train :)
07:39 nahuel      every time : the shoes, the bag, the laptop, the papers
07:39 nahuel      and too much controled
07:38 nahuel      and can't sleep
07:38 nahuel      too long
07:37 chris       it was ok :) how was yours?
07:37 nahuel      chris, your plane was great ?
07:37 nahuel      hey !
07:35 chris       hi nahuel
06:41 elwell      irssi+screen ftw as they say.
06:41 elwell      piano^I damn not here
04:51 chris       cool
04:51 pianohacker chris: Yes, I did, thanks
04:50 pianohacker Pidgin is starting to get tiresome
04:50 pianohacker I really need to spend some time setting up irssi/screen. If not on a server, at least on my machine
04:28 chris       heh,
04:28 chris       pianohacker: you saw the photos of you on flickr?
04:23 chris       yep
04:20 pianohacker Always nice to find a pocket of familiarity
04:20 pianohacker Heh, yeah
04:19 chris       so at least i had someone to hang out with in LA
04:18 chris       the big coincidence was that on my flight from dallas, was a woman who was moving to nz
04:16 chris       there was none of that pre 2002
04:16 chris       yeah, i still get fingerprinted and photo's taken
04:16 pianohacker So not as noticable as say, 2002
04:15 pianohacker Ah, okay
04:15 chris       actually no, 2007
04:15 chris       2006
04:15 chris       and dfw had free internet and power
04:15 pianohacker Paranoia's probably descended a tad. When were you last over here?
04:15 chris       i even got a few smiles
04:14 chris       althought having said that, everyone was a lot more pleasant than the last time i was flying in the US
04:14 pianohacker Hah! An improvement over the US, then
04:14 chris       no, you are allowed to make a joke in nz, and they wont beat you up or shoot you :)
04:13 pianohacker Are they as bad in NZ?
04:13 chris       the flights i dont mind, its the airports i hate
04:12 pianohacker Flying even short distances is exhausting; I know I felt better after a six-hour drive yesterday than I feel after most three-hour flights
04:11 pianohacker Heh, no kidding
04:11 chris       because anything i type today, will be garbage :)
04:11 chris       take the day off
04:10 pianohacker What's work having you do today?
04:10 pianohacker hey
04:10 chris       heya pianohacker
04:09 pianohacker 'allo again
03:50 chris       hehe
03:50 SelfishMan  I might get kicked out of the state for saying that
03:49 SelfishMan  I think we prefer the term "rednecks" though
03:49 SelfishMan  Well that's cool
03:48 chris       SelfishMan: i had a lot of fun hanging out with the montanians (is that even a word) during the conference
03:39 SelfishMan  ugh...bag pipes
03:35 brendan     :)
03:33 chris       if i lived in the US, id be a baseball fan im sure
03:33 chris       it was a good night
03:33 chris       yeah turned out suprising well
03:31 brendan     the fireworks look pretty cool
03:30 chris       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvtkgA1NVkM&feature=channel_page
03:30 chris       hehe yeah, it wasnt pleasant
03:30 brendan     oh man that was so bad on the ears...  I've never heard take me out to the ball game on bag pipes before -- I wonder why?
03:29 chris       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faHqjWCKtKE&feature=channel_page
03:26 chris       but a couple turned out ok
03:26 chris       yeah my camera is not good in the low light
03:26 chris       im just putting up the videos now
03:25 brendan     got a decent action shot
03:25 brendan     thanks chris -- sonja and I enjoyed!
03:21 chris       brendan: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=69664
03:06 chris       heh
03:05 brendan     chris time for some of the peanut butter I know you snuck back with you ;)
02:53 chris       gah its only 3pm and im falling asleep
00:45 chris       screen rules
00:45 chris       sweet :)
00:44 brendan     but I should be getting screen set up on my server's sometime soon
00:44 brendan     different isp's
00:44 brendan     I switch from the office to home...
00:30 chris       hmm different isp brendan?
23:57 chris       bye
23:57 chris       hi Jane_Wagner
23:47 jwagner     gmcharlt, online?
23:39 chris       got a couple of hours on the flight
23:38 chris       yeah i got to the airport in dallas pretty early too, got a ride with david, so went with all the others
23:38 pianohacker So 18 hours of flying plus delays. You manage to get any sleep?
23:37 chris       3 hours from dallas to la, then 13 from la to auckland, then 1 from auckland to wellington
23:36 pianohacker How long was your flight?
23:29 chris       ohh very cool
23:28 pianohacker Useful tool for keeping track of the various Koha developer locales: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/personal.html?cities=805,176,136,264
23:21 chris       hehe excellent
23:20 brendan     worth the drive - it was so good.
23:20 brendan     but i was able to get some good new mexician food the other day!
23:20 brendan     no I made it home early this moring
23:20 chris       tired by trying to stay awake
23:20 chris       thanks brendan, you still in new mexico?
23:20 brendan     tired or wide awake?
23:19 brendan     hey chris -- glad you made it ok
23:19 chris       thanks, and you too :)
23:18 pianohacker Hello, glad you made it home safely
23:11 chris       thanks
23:11 richard     wb :)
23:10 chris       yep
23:10 richard     back in nz?
23:10 chris       back
21:16 liz_nekls   Weren't you the one assaulting the rubber food at Fruit King as well?
21:14 joetho2     joetho2 and joetho are one and the same, just trying out my client prefs.  And I didn't throw food, not really. Rubber food doesn't count.
21:09 pianohacker Ahh, of course. Suddenly, my memory becomes quite vivid
21:08 liz_nekls   pianohacker: yea, he threw plastic food at you
21:08 pianohacker joetho2: Were you at KohaCon? I think we might have met, but I don't know your real name
21:07 joetho2     whoops
20:36 nick        bye for now
20:34 nick        thanks for everything
20:31 liz_nekls   :) sounds like a plan
20:30 nick        i will start with it first
20:30 nick        i downloaded drupal
20:28 liz_nekls   honestly I'd just download them both and fiddle around with them
20:28 liz_nekls   yep.
20:28 pianohacker nick: Almost surely, but it would be good to check
20:27 nick        PDF or word documents can be saved in drupal and joomla, right?
20:27 liz_nekls   er, if you can manage koha, you can manage joomla or drupal (my opinion of course)
20:26 liz_nekls   if you can do koha, you can do joomla or drupal
20:24 nick        hope i can manage
20:23 nick        didn't deal with CMS before
20:23 nick        the tutorial is good yeah
20:23 liz_nekls   yea, that documentation is getting better. Would have really helped me a year or so ago. ^.^
20:22 JoeTho      there is a pretty good ubuntu tootorial for koha
20:22 liz_nekls   (I luvs me some apt-get)
20:22 nick        but it's not worth it
20:22 nick        i am familiar to rpms as redhat
20:22 liz_nekls   (which of course ubuntu is based upon)
20:21 liz_nekls   debian is the most common distro for koha
20:21 nick        my experience with linux is back to suse 9
20:21 liz_nekls   probably wise :)
20:21 nick        so i am gonna stick to ubuntu
20:21 pianohacker I generally try to shy away from rpm-based distros in general :)
20:21 nick        once i moved to ubuntu, everything was much easier
20:21 liz_nekls   *shudder*
20:21 nick        it was a disaster
20:20 nick        i tried koha on redhat 5
20:20 liz_nekls   in my experience both will work on any LAMP config
20:19 liz_nekls   (which is no small feat on ubuntu, kudos to you)
20:19 nick        i already have installed koha successfully
20:19 nick        as long they work on ubuntu 8.04
20:18 liz_nekls   it's mostly preference
20:18 liz_nekls   I'd have a hard time ranking them as which is "better"
20:17 liz_nekls   idk, both joomla and drupal have pretty active communities
20:16 nick        i would keep that in mind
20:16 nick        liz_nekls: that is a great idea
20:16 nick        more documented maybe?
20:16 liz_nekls   well, if you had historical documents that needed to be properly cataloged using some flavor of MARC, and had a separate place to keep them to link to, then Koha would be great for you
20:15 nick        which one do u suggest to begin with?
20:15 pianohacker nick: Yes to both
20:15 liz_nekls   should
20:13 nick        work under ubuntu?
20:13 nick        those drupal and joomla are open source?
20:13 nick        i care about little stuff, like keywords
20:12 nick        actually yes
20:12 nick        thought that Koha would be the solution
20:12 liz_nekls   if you only care about keywords
20:12 liz_nekls   drupal, joomla
20:12 liz_nekls   my instinct says you probably want a CMS
20:11 nick        i want to store PDF documents in a database and have the ability to search the database for documents by keywords and read them
20:11 liz_nekls   re: nick
20:10 liz_nekls   er, AND = but
20:10 liz_nekls   You want to store PDF documents online, but be able to MARC catalog them?
20:09 nick        do i need koha or a cms system?
20:09 pianohacker I think that would actually be fairly easy, since nengard already has a page in the manual for each tab. Good idea, let me send an email to her asking about that
20:08 nick        and have the ability to read them
20:08 nick        i need an interface for this database where i can search for documents
20:08 JoeTho      you are a rocketscientist, jesse.
20:07 nick        i need to save documents in a database
20:07 nick        so maybe guys you can tell me what is the best for my case
20:07 JoeTho      pianohacker: even better: make 'em link to the general corresponding area of the docs, so if the docs change you don't need to alter your code.
20:07 pianohacker nick: yes
20:07 nick        content management system?
20:07 pianohacker JoeTho: Ehh, true. I'll probably send in the first patch with More Info where it's absolutely necessary, however
20:06 nick        liz_nekls: what are those CMS?
20:06 JoeTho      pianacker: I just took a quick tour, and the "more info"  idea could be used in all sorts of places throughout the prefs. Tons.
20:05 nick        i want to know if i will get a url in the search results?
20:05 pianohacker I know it will show up on the detail page for a given document, but not sure about the search results page
20:04 pianohacker nick: Do you mean having that linked url show up in search results?
20:04 liz_nekls   nick: it would be neat if koha did that but... would kind of turn it into a CMS and... well I'm not going to put a value judgement on that but would be a big change
20:04 nick        using the library, i can search for documents and as a result i will get a link, right?
20:03 nick        my second question,
20:03 nick        ok, good. thanks for directing me
20:02 pianohacker And store them either on a webserver or within a program such as Kete
20:02 pianohacker Ahh, okay. Koha currently does not support storing PDFs inside itself. You would have to link to them in the 856u MARC field.
20:01 nick        can i save them in the library?
20:01 nick        a collection of PDFs
20:01 nick        is a collection of documents
20:01 nick        the library i want to create
20:00 pianohacker nick: How do you mean saving PDFs? Exporting various reports as PDFs?
20:00 pianohacker ISBD or NoZebraIndexes
19:59 pianohacker In fact, in line with the current system, textareas behave this way: http://weaverhome.rlogin.org:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=cataloguing
19:59 nick        can i retrieve them and read them whenever i want?
19:59 liz_nekls   have complicated repercussions
19:59 liz_nekls   in fact, more info is probably a good idea for lots of settings that
19:59 nick        if i configure koha to save pdf documents for example
19:58 liz_nekls   I like "More Info"
19:58 gmcharlt    +1
19:57 pianohacker Either that, or a "More Info" link that expanded within that space.
19:56 pianohacker Hmm
19:54 JoeTho      how about: "enable/disable *independent branch settings* "      ...and make *that* a popup that explains this, in more detail than you have room for in a single line on the prefs page?
19:52 JoeTho      *was
19:52 JoeTho      the old wording as pretty minimal.
19:51 pianohacker IndependantBranches actually affects quite a lot, still trying to figure out the best description
19:50 gmcharlt    JoeTho: yes, IndependantBranches also affects circ
19:49 JoeTho      I also like leaving out the link on each line (as compared to the current module).
19:49 JoeTho      piano: so... is the only difference with the indep. branch settings just being able to modify bib/items/patrons in other libraries? I thought there was more than that, like how holds and transfers work.
19:44 pianohacker liz_nekls, Sharon: glad you like it
19:44 Sharon      pianohacker much easier to understand the sysprefs using this 'normal' language
19:41 liz_nekls   pianohacker: very, very good ideas all around.
19:39 pianohacker gmcharlt: That would be more consistent; the main reasoning behind the change was convenience, but I suppose that can wait until I've gotten AJAX and per-preference saving working.
19:38 danny       ok
19:38 gmcharlt    danny: they're in a git repo, but I'm not sure how public - you can ask paul_p or hdl
19:38 gmcharlt    or rather, match the common pattern for a preferences page
19:38 danny       oh and that reminds me, does anyone know if the acq changes that biblibre is  working on are available on a public git?
19:37 gmcharlt    but it really is "save all"?  in that case, a single save all button (or one at top, and one at bottom) would be clearer
19:36 pianohacker gmcharlt: Save is disabled for the public demo
19:36 gmcharlt    pianohacker: "Save all" button should just be "save" - otherwise user might think that all settings modified on the page will be saved, which doesn't appear to be the case
19:35 pianohacker danny: My git repository is currently not public. I will be sending a patch to the mailing list within a week or so, tho
19:35 pianohacker gmcharlt: Yes, I can see that happening. Lemme fix that really quick
19:34 danny       pianohacker, i am definitely interested in it, do you have anywhere that I can "git" it from to try?
19:34 gmcharlt    pianohacker: when you modify a value, then modify it again, another "(modified)" gets added underneath
19:32 gmcharlt    you forget to mention the worm you wrote that distributes Koha *everywhere*? ;)
19:32 pianohacker Ach, http://weaverhome.rlogin.org:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=admin
19:32 pianohacker http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=admin (some tabs have not yet been finished)
19:30 pianohacker Is there anyone currently online interested in the new sysprefs editor? I have a demo up
19:23 Sharon      That angry icon is directed at me, the impulsive one...
18:59 liz_nekls   i'm like, DOH, lemme take a look!
18:59 liz_nekls   gmcharlt: yes, I believe so. I was at lunch when they decided to pursue it. :/
18:56 gmcharlt    liz_nekls: so emailing lists is working for you now?
18:48 liz_nekls   and the koha installer is a whole lot better documented than it used to be. Kudos to whoever did that.
18:47 liz_nekls   (the send list/cart/shelf thing)
18:47 liz_nekls   was a problem with the template (I know you're all shocked to hear this)
18:46 liz_nekls   ours is totally working
18:26 JoeTho      Let me clarify: emailing a list has never worked. Koha itself just started to quit working in the last 36 hours or so.
18:25 JoeTho      Ours has never worked.
18:19 Sharon      Liz is going to look into it, too.
18:16 Sharon      gmcharlt Emails are not being sent, instead of a confirmation form I just get a blank entry form again
18:07 Sharon      Thanks, I'm alerting our vendor
18:06 jwagner     Sharon, I just tested sending a list, and it came through fine here, on a system I built from koha.org last Saturday.
17:59 Sharon      Gmcharlt I'll send a support request about it, then in case is a problem with our installation
17:59 gmcharlt    how is it failing for you?  is the email form not appearing, or are emails not being sent?
17:58 gmcharlt    Sharon: emailing lists works for me in HEAD
17:56 hdl_laptop  nick: have you entered any categories for patrons ?
17:40 Sharon      Has anyone else tested bug/enhancement 2908 and found that the email cart (basket) works, but emailing a list (shelf) doesn't?
17:14 nick        u were right guys, thank u
17:14 nick        jdavidb and gmcharlt
17:13 nick        someone has to look for more than two sites so he can manage
17:13 nick        following only one site for details is not enough :S
17:12 nick        i should have added a Patron Category in order  to add a Patron
17:11 nick        can i get here any guideness on how to start with koha?
17:10 nick        ok, i will try it, thank u
17:10 gmcharlt    indeed, if you don't have any categories defined yet, it won't work
17:09 jdavidb     nick:  I betcha that's it.
17:09 nick        do i need do add one first so i can add Patrons then?
17:09 gmcharlt    JoeTho: yes - with Dan Sweeney
17:09 nick        Patron Categories
17:09 nick        i noticed under Administration
17:08 nick        maybe, i am missing sth
17:08 nick        under Acquisitions --> + Vendor and + Order work just fine
17:07 nick        just under Patrons
17:06 nick        same as list
17:06 nick        under acquisitions the buttons do work
17:06 JoeTho      gmcharlt: conference call in about an hour, correct?
17:05 gmcharlt    nick: that button uses JavaScript and the YUI library - do you have JavaScript disabled or no net access from the Koha you've installed Koha on?
17:04 nick        i am trying to follow those instructions: http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-8.html
17:03 nick        maybe i am missing sth
17:03 nick        do i have to do sth before adding a Patron?
17:03 nick        it seems the button is broken
17:02 nick        nth happens
17:02 JoeTho      Hmm. what happens when you try to add a patron +New?  anything at all?
17:01 nick        i can add a "List"
17:01 nick        managed to add Acquisitions
17:01 nick        does not work
17:01 nick        under Patrons --> + New
17:00 JoeTho      I would troubleshoot by seeing if you can alter anything at all.
17:00 nick        a looged into 127.0.1.1:8080
17:00 nick        first time koha
17:00 JoeTho      I'm not sure if I can help you with this- have you used an older version before?
16:59 nick        hello JoeTho
16:58 JoeTho      Hi Nick
16:57 nick        "+ New" does not work
16:57 nick        under Patrons
16:57 nick        i can't add a patron though
16:57 nick        all working fine
16:57 nick        managed to install koha 3 under ubuntu 8
16:56 nick        hello
15:21 jwagner     Is someone around who's familiar with the famfamfam/silk/*.png images?
13:58 jwagner     nick jwagner jwagner_away