Time  Nick        Message
13:06 owen        If you're using item-level itemtypes, is there any reason at all to specify an itemtype at the biblio level?
13:06 owen        Or can it be taken out of the framework?
13:07 paul_p      owen: it can be taken out of the framework.
13:08 paul_p      (hello & happy easter)
13:08 owen        And to you to, paul_p
13:08 owen        Thanks
13:08 owen        When are you leaving?
13:09 owen        :)
13:25 Hui_Nan_    hello
13:25 Hui_Nan_    does anybody know how to figure out the data stored in Zebra indexes for a record?
13:26 Hui_Nan_    zebra admin's manual states there is a special element set 'zebra::index'
13:28 Hui_Nan_    however koha's biblios database says: Diagnostic message(s) from database:
13:28 Hui_Nan_        [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::index'
13:42 Hui_Nan_    http://lists.indexdata.dk/pipermail/zebralist/2007-July/001694.html
13:42 Hui_Nan_    answer's found!
13:57 jwagner     Question for folks on authorities -- the dontmerge authorities syspref references a merge_authorities.pl cron job.  However, I don't find that script anywhere on the server (either 3.0 or 3.0.1 versions).  Is the manual outdated for this, or are we missing a script?
14:02 atz         jwagner: misc/migration_tools/merge_authority.pl
14:02 atz         slight imprecision in docs
14:05 jwagner     Thanks, atz.  Can you clarify when that should be run?  If I'm reading the manual & syspref description correctly, if dontmerge is set to ON, things happen on the fly.  If it's set to OFF, this script should be cronned (nightly? how often?). Is that correct?
14:05 atz         nightly should do it
14:28 liz_nekls   q: is there something amiss with git? I can't get search results after dec. 08
14:28 liz_nekls   (web interface)
14:28 liz_nekls   err, can't "seem" to get results after dec 08
14:30 atz         liz_nekls: not sure what you mean... got a link?
14:45 owen        liz_nekls: are you coming to KohaCon?
14:46 liz_nekls   owen: yessir, I will be there
14:46 liz_nekls   prepare to have your brain picked.
14:47 owen        I'm looking forward to it :)
14:48 liz_nekls   there are a lot of people I"m looking forward to seeing
14:48 liz_nekls   meeting, etc
14:49 liz_nekls   atz: hrmph, it  works now, not sure what's different. I'm getting different results for things I searched for not 30 minutes ago
14:49 liz_nekls   (correct results)
14:49 atz         odd
14:49 liz_nekls   very
14:49 liz_nekls   but a welcome change in state of affairs
14:50 liz_nekls   ;)
14:50 gmcharlt    +1 to that
14:51 paul_p      & very excited to come to TX! (i've been in OH, but Nelsonville is a not a large city !)
14:51 gmcharlt    liz_nekls: checked - didn't see any particular reason why gitweb should have acted up
15:03 Hui_Nan_    had anyone played with zebra::index element set in zebra?
15:03 Hui_Nan_    I can't get utf-8 encoded text
15:04 Hui_Nan_    just dogs instead of letters
15:04 Hui_Nan_    like <index name="Author" type="w" seq="15">@@@@@@@@</index>
15:05 Hui_Nan_    I'm using yaz-client connected to zebrasrv via unix socket which Koha uses for biblios
15:07 Hui_Nan_    I worry because a SimpleSearch through opac "au=<some cyrillic surname>" gives a couple of records where <some cyrillic surname> is not mentioned at all!
15:08 Hui_Nan_    records were imported, using tools
15:10 atz         Hui_Nan_: make sure the internal MARC flag for encoding matches your expectation (probably utf8)
15:10 atz         that would be leader/09="a" for marc21
15:12 Hui_Nan_    I'm using unimarc (rusmarc)
15:13 atz         i think it is in the 100 field then.  paul_p could confirm
15:13 Hui_Nan_    yep exactly
15:13 Hui_Nan_    I have there Character Set 1 = 50-UTF-8
15:14 Hui_Nan_    it is not a problem 'cause in OPAC I see correct biblio
15:14 atz         just in zebra?
15:15 Hui_Nan_    and if I ask zebra for just a record data I get marcxml/unimarc with russian
15:15 atz         ah, ok
15:15 Hui_Nan_    but if I ask for indexing data - then alas
15:15 atz         you just need to negotiate character set
15:15 Hui_Nan_    certainly I do
15:15 Hui_Nan_    charset UTF-8 UTF-8 UTF-8 is in my ~/.yazclientrc
15:16 Hui_Nan_    that's why I see cyrillic when I ask for record
15:16 atz         that makes sense
15:16 Hui_Nan_    I believe that the trouble is in koha-conf.xml
15:16 atz         interesting!
15:16 Hui_Nan_    I added the lines like "<retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::index" />"
15:17 Hui_Nan_    to access zebra::XXX element sets
15:17 Hui_Nan_    I believe I have to specify utf-8 somewhere inside retrieval
15:18 atz         perhaps this is a question for the zebra listserv
15:19 Hui_Nan_    certainly it is
15:19 Hui_Nan_    I'm asking in a hope that someone here has played with zebra::index %-)
15:21 Hui_Nan_    well, why coluld this happen? I'm importing some records, rebuild zebra's index and get within relevant records a few irrelewant ones while searching?
15:25 liz_nekls   gmcharlt: thanks for checking.
15:28 Hui_Nan_    just looking at that irrelevant record in `biblioitems.marcxml`
15:29 Hui_Nan_    that guy is certainly not mentioned nowhere in the record
15:30 Hui_Nan_    ...an author by whose name I found this record
15:30 atz         strange... check your zebra logs to see if indexing is failing on certain records
15:31 atz         otherwise, (if it isn't a huge dataset) try rebuilding the index from scratch and see if it still happens
15:32 Hui_Nan_    [warn] Index 'XXX' not found in attset(s)
15:32 Hui_Nan_    that's all
15:32 Hui_Nan_    XXX is not /Author.+/
15:33 Hui_Nan_    11 records for testing purposes
15:34 Hui_Nan_    rebuilding does not help
15:34 Hui_Nan_    ./rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w
15:34 Hui_Nan_    is it correct?
15:38 atz         misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r  # the r clears index first
15:38 atz         may want to use -x (for XML indexing too)
15:40 Hui_Nan_    the order of records in the results list has changed
15:40 Hui_Nan_    but, the same irrelevant records %-(
15:41 Hui_Nan_    I noticed that `biblio`.`author` is empty for all the imported records
15:41 Hui_Nan_    Is it OK?
15:42 Hui_Nan_    each has rusmarc 700 and 701 fields
15:42 Hui_Nan_    each record
15:43 Hui_Nan_    well, anyway, I'm fighting with Zebra, not Koha
15:43 Hui_Nan_    Where Zebra finds the data on records?
15:46 atz         Hui_Nan_: that suggests that import is failing at some point
15:46 atz         before writing to biblio.author
15:47 Hui_Nan_    well, Zebra says there are 11 records in the biblio base, all 11 `biblioitem`.`marcsql` are correct
15:48 Hui_Nan_    I'll wait for the answer from zebra list and then may be some code studying will help %-)
15:55 Hui_Nan_    [Mon Apr 13 13:44:25 2009] [error] [client] [Mon Apr 13 13:44:25 2009] stage-marc-import.pl: superlibrarian at
15:55 Hui_Nan_     /home/www/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 1423., referer: http://catalog.isact.ru/cgi-bin/koha/tools/tools-home.pl
15:55 Hui_Nan_    ups... that's something strange
15:56 Hui_Nan_    I can't see what kind of error it is
15:56 Hui_Nan_    authentication, well
15:57 Hui_Nan_    ough, there are a lot of Auth.pm errors today :-(
15:57 Hui_Nan_    gonna check that line tomorrow %-)
15:58 Hui_Nan_    atz, thanks for help~
15:58 Hui_Nan_    !
15:59 liz_nekls   ok, here's what I'm seeing (feel free to say "git: ur doing it wrong"
16:00 liz_nekls   i did a search for 2940, and got no results
16:00 liz_nekls   but here it is: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=Koha;a=commit;h=bf17eb3902b2d7091406c43cf10834e45935c6f7
16:00 liz_nekls   i had to look through the shortlog to find it
16:01 gmcharlt    a commit search of '2940" on gitweb turned it up for me
16:02 liz_nekls   I did the exact same thing and it didn't come up
16:03 liz_nekls   and I just now did it, and it worked, from the home page. one second, maybe it's the location of the search box that is different
16:03 liz_nekls   ok, I'm crazy I guess
16:04 liz_nekls   <commences muttering>
16:06 gmcharlt    one possibilitilty - gitweb's searches are in the context of whatever branch you're viewing
16:07 gmcharlt    it's possible that you may have been looking at an older commit
16:07 gmcharlt    and the search was relative to that
16:07 liz_nekls   hm that could explain why it would work on some pages and not others
16:07 liz_nekls   yes, that must be it
16:08 liz_nekls   thanks, I'll just hit the home page every time to start my searches
16:08 liz_nekls   to avoid that
17:13 chris       sick_child_the_night_before_flying_to_texas--
17:13 pianohacker Yikes. How sick?
17:14 chris       just a cold
17:14 chris       but it means im awake at 5am having just got him back to sleep
17:15 pianohacker Oh, man. Sorry, hope he feels better soon
17:16 chris       thanks
17:18 chris       liz_nekls: do you have a git clone checked out locally, or do you just use gitweb for searching?
17:22 chris       atz: you about?
17:23 atz         ?
17:23 atz         not sure i can do much for your kid from here, though  :)
17:23 chris       heh
17:23 chris       http://volnitsky.com/project/git-prompt/
17:24 chris       for a really over the top prompt :)
17:25 gmcharlt    chris++
17:25 gmcharlt    some of that should be ported to gitweb
17:25 atz         wow... that's overkill... but then, he's probably russian.
17:26 chris       :)
17:27 pianohacker One wonders what that prompt would be like after editing four template files in our directory layout
17:28 chris       heh
17:28 chris       i do like this tho
17:29 chris       http://gist.github.com/31631
17:29 chris       adding a function to change the prompt if you are in a dirty state
17:33 chris       right added :)
17:34 chris       http://koha.pastebin.com/m3255725a
17:35 chris       ok it's all quiet now, im gonna try and get more sleep, cyas later
17:35 pianohacker Good night
20:39 liz_nekls   chris: wow, I totally missed your question. I use the gitweb, we are hosted. It's a long story.
20:40 liz_nekls   chris: I can totally relate to the 5am child wakies
20:40 liz_nekls   totally sucks, for all involved
21:00 chris       yep, and now im awake again :) but this time voluntarily
21:00 chris       liz_nekls: ahh in that case my git log --grep="2940" command won't help you :)
22:00 liz_nekls   2 more days to kohacon! Woo! Ttyl!
22:00 pianohacker Bye, see you there
23:06 atz         bad timing between kohacon and taxes :(
23:08 gmcharlt    atz: incentive to do them (slightly) earlier?
23:09 atz         meh.  incentive, inschmentive.
23:09 gmcharlt    well, there's always the option of an extension - form to request one is much shorter :)
23:10 atz         true
23:12 pianohacker Do we have a smokebot running? There's a lot of empty reports on smolder
23:14 gmcharlt    there's a cronjob - I'll check it tomorrow
23:15 pianohacker Had completely forgotten about smolder 'till I saw the newsfeed in #kohanews
23:17 pianohacker bye
01:17 atz         not too bad... taxes done in 2 hours
03:53 Amit        hi chris, mason, brendan
04:08 brendan     Heya Amit
04:08 brendan     how's things
04:08 Amit        everything is fine
04:08 Amit        preparing for mumbai seminar
04:08 brendan     cool
04:08 brendan     ;)
04:09 brendan     I'm signing off and will be back next week... have a good week
04:10 Amit        same to u
07:09 Amit        hi greenmang0
07:20 hdl_laptop  matts: tu es sur biblibre ?
07:20 hdl_laptop  Je ne vois personne
07:20 matts       yep
07:30 Amit        hi kf
07:30 Amit        hi hdl
07:30 hdl_laptop  hi all
07:30 kf          good morning all
07:48 Amit        hi nicomo
07:49 nicomo      hi Amit
08:44 k3rn3l      hi
08:45 mason       heya kernel
08:53 k3rn3l      I would like to know a little more about how koha was programmed, is there a good place to learn this?
08:53 Amit        heya mason
08:53 mason       hey amit
08:54 Amit        mason: have u checked matching rule in koha 3.01 version
08:58 mason       kernel: http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=docs/history.txt;hb=8d7f33c548600177a2b55f46a53f9828238c6e05
08:58 mason       thats a good history of koha's development, for you
08:58 mason       amit, for staged-importing?
08:58 Amit        yes
08:59 mason       hmm, yes - a little
08:59 Amit        there is matching rule problem with issn
09:00 mason       i have had success with isbn and issn matching
09:00 Amit        in my case there is matching problem with issn
09:01 Amit        i m also planning to add matching in ./bulkmarcimport.pl
09:02 mason       ah, that would be handy
09:02 hdl_laptop  k3rn3l: : KohaCon could be a good place too.
09:02 mason       hi hdl
09:02 hdl_laptop  Amit: how woul you do this ?
09:03 Amit        no i have written some code last night but not working
09:03 mason       kernel: and taking a look at koha src-code too ;)
09:04 Amit        hdl: by hardcode of MARC tag one tag at a time
09:04 hdl_laptop  I have already patched bulkmarcimport for that
09:04 hdl_laptop  And it also adds importing authorities.
09:04 Amit        k
09:04 Amit        have u any url
09:04 mason       i have modified bulkimarcimport.pl, addbib, addbibitems, additems to import new marc records with 999$ ids
09:05 mason       999$ has bib, bibitem and item numbers...
09:05 hdl_laptop  Amit: no url but can send patch
09:05 Amit        u can send me if possible
09:06 hdl_laptop  mason: huh.... seems quite dangerous to do so.
09:06 hdl_laptop  it it is hardcoded.
09:06 Amit        yes
09:06 hdl_laptop  will do
09:06 mason       yes, a bit dangerous.... but needed for a tricky 2.2 -> 3.0 upgrade
09:07 hdl_laptop  mmmm... You could have done it with kohafield linking
09:07 hdl_laptop  i think
09:08 mason       hmm, i dont think so , for this specific upgrade
09:10 mason       but.. my dangerous patch is only used for the initial marc-import only - then the codebase is switched back, all is happy again
09:51 Amit        hdl : this patch http://lists.koha.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2008-December/002309.html
09:57 hdl_laptop  no
09:58 Amit        k
09:58 hdl_laptop  not sent on list at the moment
10:45 k3rn3l      is there any framework (mvc) behind koha?
11:20 Hui_Nan_    hello
11:21 Hui_Nan_    how could I search for records where author is not Smith?
11:21 Hui_Nan_    not au:Smith?
11:21 Hui_Nan_    through OPAC
11:53 hdl_laptop  mmmm...
11:54 hdl_laptop  in the advanced tab, you can find boolean operators iirc.