Time Nick Message 11:00 hdl_laptop hi 11:01 Amit hi hdl 18:29 pianohacker Hmm. Is it common practice (or at least encouraged) to indent inside <!-- TMPL_IF --> or <!-- TMPL_LOOP -->? 18:29 pianohacker Or just follow the indentation of the HTML? 18:30 owen I suspect it's up to the whim of the author at the moment 18:30 pianohacker That's what I thought 18:30 gmcharlt yep, whim of author 18:31 gmcharlt I like indenting within tmpl_if and tmpl_loop 18:31 gmcharlt but obviously can lead to rather wide pages 18:31 gmcharlt set termsize=2048x80 18:32 pianohacker Perhaps I should look into a smaller font and a pair of reading glasses 18:34 gmcharlt custom syntax highlighter might be easier on your eyes :) 18:34 pianohacker Heh 19:53 hdl_laptop pianohacker: problem with that indentation is that sometimes, it makes things much longer than necessary for a page since linebreaks are copied and paste 19:54 pianohacker Yeah, in view source 19:54 hdl_laptop yeah and this I find more confusing than getting TMPL_IF or loops on oneline. 19:55 hdl_laptop But this is My opinion. 19:55 hdl_laptop Another thing is that DOM elements can take spaces... 19:55 hdl_laptop So this is also to consider. 19:56 chris i wonder does html::template have a filter mechanism like template::toolkit does 19:57 pianohacker chris: No, that would be too useful for html::template's tastes 19:57 chris i have to admit, i love tt now 19:57 chris we could do it ourselves tho, in koha's case 19:57 chris as we use C4::Output 19:58 chris it could filter out whitespace 19:58 pianohacker It would actually be fairly trivial, though we'd want it to be partially controlled by a syspref, so devs could have a useful view-source 19:58 chris *nod* 19:59 gmcharlt want to put something together? 19:59 chris just for cutting down page size in production, its suprising how much difference that can make 19:59 chris can do, ill have a go after work tonight 19:59 pianohacker I'm actually working on a revamp (again) of the sysprefs page that would be greatly helped by that patch. 20:00 chris gmcharlt: did you see the history.txt im working on? 20:00 gmcharlt not yet - where is it? 20:01 chris its in git, on github or my git .. ill send a patch when its closer to done ... 2 secs ill get a url 20:01 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=docs/history.txt; 20:02 chris figure get it in there, then we can get patches from people to fill in the blanks :) 20:03 gmcharlt cool 20:03 gmcharlt is HLT's original ILS old/dead enough to identify? 20:03 pianohacker That's very comprehensive, chris++ 20:03 chris it started off just as my notes for the presentation 20:03 chris but then i thought, hey this is good to get into git as well 20:04 chris oh yeah i should put in the dates HLT upgraded 20:04 chris once to 1.2.3 and once to 2.2.5 (havent got there yet) 20:04 chris and soon to 3.0.x 20:05 chris gmcharlt: yeah it was called c2 20:05 chris hence c4 ... twice as good, or might explode :-) 20:05 chris catalist 20:05 gmcharlt I see a every_theory_of_the_genesis_of_the_name_c4.txt in the near future :) 20:06 chris http://www.contecds.com/library.htm <-- that one 20:06 pianohacker gmcharlt: Does the git.koha.org server have large file support compiled in? 20:06 chris course it wasnt windows based at the time 20:07 chris it was totally dos ... running on dosemu on linux 20:07 chris gmcharlt: its been c4, then kumara, then koha :) 20:08 chris gmcharlt: c2 was (is??) pick based 20:08 gmcharlt good old PICK 20:08 chris so olwen had to spend a bunch of time writing PICK to get the data out 20:08 chris I must add her name to the history 20:09 gmcharlt pianohacker: yes - why? 20:09 pianohacker If you're going to have that theory_of_the_name_c4.txt file in there, it'd better 20:10 gmcharlt heh 20:10 chris what are some of the theories? 20:11 chris would be quite a fun file 20:37 headbang hi 20:38 pianohacker headbang: hello 20:38 headbang by any change someone from libki around 20:38 chris libki? 20:38 pianohacker headbang: I think you want kyle hall 20:39 headbang yeah 20:39 headbang thats him :) 20:40 pianohacker headbang: Here's his contact page: http://kylehall.info/index.php/contact/ 20:40 headbang yeah hoped to get some rela time help from him 20:41 pianohacker Ah. Don't think I've seen him on IRC 20:41 gmcharlt yeah, he doesn't show up on #koha very often - email will be quicker 20:42 headbang ok 20:42 headbang ill try that tomorow then :) 20:42 headbang was hoping to get libki server to work 21:39 headbang noone else who uses libki? 01:28 Jo hi all. I am working through the Implementation check list in koha 3.0 manual, and need to make sure I have "set up and define staff patron records and set permissions". 01:28 Jo and I am not what that means ... I have set up patron catagories (including a worker) but I suspect the permission sbit is something else again 01:29 Jo any ideas of where i should be looking in the setup? 01:30 Jo sys pref / granular permissions (maybe..) 01:30 chris you have to add your staff 01:30 chris if they werent in there already 01:30 chris then set the permissions for each of them 01:31 chris if its using the data from your old koha, then they should be in there already, you might just have to fix their permissions 02:28 Jo ok thanks Chris. SO once we do the conversion of Patrons from koha 2 to 3 we should be able to see what needs doing then. 02:29 chris yep, assuming you had each of your staff as a patron in 2 02:31 Jo ok. will check. thanks 02:31 chris np, new server all up and going now? 03:03 Jo nope. still a loan one 03:30 Amit hi chris, mason, brendan good morning 03:31 brendan Good morning Amit! Chris and Mason... 03:31 brendan Evening here 03:31 Amit good evening 03:33 chris afternoon here 03:36 Amit hi chris good morning 04:57 chris right, back at home 05:49 elwell chris: has anyone got a plot of no of contributors over time? be nice to see if its linear/exponential 05:49 elwell (looking at the history.tzt 05:50 chris we are up to i think 88 now 05:51 chris http://stats.workbuffer.org/ 05:51 chris some stats there 05:52 chris (88 is just a guesstimate trying to remove the duplicates) 05:53 chris and i think we just got one more new one today (ill have to rebuild stats when the patch is accepted) which would make you 3rd to last :) 05:53 elwell heh thats 2 higher than I expected 05:54 chris you, then Daniel Sweeney, then Jane Wagner 05:54 chris just updated the history.txt 05:54 chris bought halfway through 2004 now 05:54 chris bout even 05:55 chris http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=docs/history.txt; 05:57 chris but my son is demanding i play trains 05:57 chris so taking a break :) 05:57 elwell you folks up in N Island? 06:09 chris right he's having his cup of milk before doing his teeth for bed now .. he'll drag this out as long as he can :) 06:09 chris yeah wellington 06:23 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_LaAkAyoz0 <-- landing at wellington :) 06:27 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRKb-_lx2NQ&feature=related <-- thats what i was actually looking for 06:38 elwell yeah - we were there (briefly) last July. Nice place, even in winter 06:40 elwell that landing clip at 0:56 is an interesting technique - nose wheel first 06:42 chris yeah, it can get pretty scary 06:43 chris short runway too, so they have to break pretty hard 06:44 chris brake 06:44 chris they dont often break :) 06:44 elwell well, lack of one leads to the other 06:44 chris yup 06:48 elwell :-) like your 'advantages of working from home' page 06:48 elwell /your/katipo/ 06:49 chris yep, i enjoyed those for 9 years ;) 06:49 chris im enjoying working in at an office at catalyst though .. can really work from home with a toddler 06:49 chris can=can't 06:50 chris work half the year at home and half the year in an office at liblime 06:50 elwell aye. Least ours are at school, but you need a flexible boss to fit in with dropoffs/pickup/sick etc 06:50 chris *nod* 06:50 chris both catalyst and katipo are good like that 06:51 chris the directors/owners have kids too, so understand 06:53 elwell don't suppose you've met Paul Walmsley in your IT excursions have you? Used to work with him here in the UK but he's now in christchurch (but travels -- any work is work) 06:54 chris i dont think so, but im bad with names 06:56 elwell http://qasol.com/ <-- thats him 07:02 chris nope don't think so, the photo doesnt ring any bells 07:24 Amit_Gupta hi nahuel 07:27 nahuel hi 07:30 kf good morning all 07:30 Amit_Gupta hi kf ;) 07:31 chris ohh 2 new languages for translation 07:32 kf hi Amit :) 07:32 chris Dari and Pashto (from Afghanistan) 07:35 paul_p hello world. 07:35 Amit_Gupta hi paul ;) 07:36 paul_p (to present 2008 financial results)