Time  Nick       Message
03:58 imp        how can i change the language of the "search"/user interface? (already changed the languages available for the opac interface, but it had no effect on the user page)
00:16 imp        think it'll be a nice feature
00:14 gmcharlt   not at present
00:09 imp        hm, there's no way to select a field from the "default" marc record to add if i deleted something, i guess?
00:06 gmcharlt   it's probably safer to use SQL to hide all of the 6xx from the editor view, rather than delete them outright
00:06 imp        it's just a little bit confusing for them to see all the fields - so i try to make it stupid simple right now
00:05 imp        can't remember that they needed anything from 6xx
00:03 gmcharlt   and your records won't have 6xx fields?
00:03 imp        we are right now at zero ;)
00:02 imp        ?
00:02 gmcharlt   have you loaded any bibs yet?
00:02 imp        hmm
00:01 chris      by running some sql you could, im not sure you would end up with somethign that still worked though :)
00:01 imp        (a range of record fields)
00:01 imp        something like 6**
23:59 gmcharlt   what do you mean by complete sections?
23:58 imp        is there a way to get rid of complete sections in the marc framework?
22:03 liz_nekls  ttyl folks... chris, enjoy your saturday ;)
21:26 atz        nothings been committed for 2 weeks though... there's a lot more pending
21:24 chris      but the other developers have been doing tons and tons
21:24 chris      ive only been busy over on the 3.0.x branch
21:21 liz_nekls  holy criminy y'all have been busy
21:21 liz_nekls  i hadn't checked git for a while and whoa
21:21 liz_nekls  though I did have a look through all of the spectacular work you all have been doing
21:20 liz_nekls  but yea, I checked out a couple of hours ago
21:20 chris      hehe
21:20 liz_nekls  hehe, late as in "staying for all the hours I"m paid to be here for"
21:20 chris      my brain usually switches off around 3pm
21:20 chris      ahh, well late for a friday then :-)
21:20 liz_nekls  only 4:20p here ;)
21:15 chris      working late on friday liz_nekls ?
20:41 chris      yeah
20:40 atz        or have it read to you while you are doing something else w/ your hands/eyes
20:40 atz        but assuming correctness in implementation, it would be useful to say, "how would I pronounce this word?"
20:39 atz        yeah, the regular consumer of such things would rarely, if ever prefer the machine reading
20:39 owen       ...and there's a world of difference between having your computer read something and having an actor perform the text for an audio book.
20:38 atz        and tough cookies to them.
20:38 atz        i would say they license a totally separate work that is the audio recording
20:38 owen       Yeah, because they separately license the "performing rights" or somesuch.
20:37 atz        like the world of screen readers hasn't existed for decades....
20:37 atz        what, are publishers crying "infringement"?
20:37 owen       Yeah, the new Kindle had a "read aloud" feature
20:36 chris      wasnt there a recent furore over kindles and audio books?
20:33 chris      :)
20:32 gmcharlt   yeah, kind of hard for a book's sound system to fail
20:31 chris      yeah, i always take a couple of novels just in case ;)
20:31 chris      ahhh
20:31 gmcharlt   when it actually works - had a bad experience with a seatback system on Delta the other month
20:31 chris      and dont all have to watch the same one, and all try to go to the toilet at the same time :)
20:30 chris      its all seatback now, so you can choose much better
20:30 chris      and rotate the others
20:30 chris      fastest indian, whale rider, lotr etc permanently
20:30 gmcharlt   as they should, I would think
20:30 chris      gmcharlt: yep, they have a bunch of nz movies
20:25 brendan    The extended version should get you through
20:24 gmcharlt   LOTR is a permanent fixture on that arline, I take it?
20:18 chris      im flying airnz so ill do the lotr marathon again i think :)
20:14 chris      although coming back i land at 9.30am .. so that day will be a writeoff
20:13 chris      always try and land at night
20:13 chris      now i plan the travel a bit more carefully :)
20:12 atz        :\
20:11 chris      landed in colorado, got ambushed by exlibris who wouldnt let me into the building without signing an nda, and i was tired and disoriented :)
20:11 chris      :)
20:11 chris      was when that happened to me
20:11 chris      the only time i ever signed an nda
20:10 atz        yeah, i couldn't even pretend to do that
20:09 chris      it kills ya when you travel 24 hours or so and then arrive at like 5am and have to try and stay awake all day
20:09 chris      so i arrrive tired, have a good nights sleep and ok
20:09 chris      the trick is staying awake on the flights
20:08 chris      i should be ok
20:08 chris      as long as i go straight to bed
20:08 chris      as i land at 9.30pm
20:08 chris      it shouldnt be too bad for me
20:06 atz        i expect the jet lag would be huuuge
20:05 atz        chris: physically
20:05 gmcharlt   same continent, at any rate :)
20:05 chris      least we will all be in the same timezone or closish
20:04 gmcharlt   an IRC backchannel is a good idea
20:03 gmcharlt   clay has to leave Friday evening
20:02 chris      maybe we can organise an irc chat for interested people, if not
20:01 chris      id love to chat with them about memcached, share somethings we discovered building the new stuff site
20:00 chris      gmcharlt: are clay and john coming to the dev part of the kohacon?
19:40 liz_nekls  sounds terrifying
19:40 liz_nekls  hehe frankenbeast query
19:39 atz        in part for my own sanity when users are like "why doesn't my frankenbeast quadruple JOIN query work like I want?"
19:39 atz        yeah, i want to pretty print too
19:38 gmcharlt   and just use SQL::Beautify to pretty-print
19:38 gmcharlt   for SQL that users supply directly, can leave as is (except for filtering out inserts, create table, etc.)
19:38 gmcharlt   well, as far as generating queries is concerned, SQL::Abstract would do it
19:37 atz        there was a time when i did hardcore parsing in ANTLR
19:37 atz        ... and not have to write it ourselves
19:35 gmcharlt   ideally want a cross of SQL::Parser and SQL::Abstract
19:34 atz        still SELECT only, no subqueries
19:34 gmcharlt   except for part that lets user input arbitrary SQL
19:33 atz        our allowed set of queries for guided reports keep things from getting very interesting for their sql parsing though...
19:31 atz        supposedly the code is derived from an older SQL::Tidy ?
19:30 atz        indeed, you might notice that I submitted a bug on it already
19:30 gmcharlt   SQL::Beautify is young
19:29 gmcharlt   as long as there are test cases
19:26 atz        it should help insulate our internal SQL hacking by making the input more reliable
19:25 atz        gmcharlt: any problems w/ adding SQL::Beautify dependency for Guided Reports?
19:19 chris      i love google earth
19:18 chris      so ill rack up 24,000km ... ill catch up to biblibre yet ;)
19:18 chris      so apparently its 12249.538 km from my house to the hotel in plano
19:11 chris      heh yeah that could get confusing
19:08 owen       :) I'm friends with a couple who both post to the same blog without telling anyone who's who. Drives me crazy.
19:07 chris      "Sometimes my wife writes posts for it also. You can usually spot them, they are usually funnier, have z’s instead of s, and miss out u’s."
19:07 chris      thats how you can tell who writes a post on my blog, my wife or I
19:06 chris      and a few more e's
19:06 chris      yep :)
19:06 gmcharlt   and more ou's?
19:05 atz        heh
19:05 chris      english with less z's in it :)
19:04 atz        yeah, i have to agree w/ chris... imagine every feature you wanted to add, having to translate it to hebrew, russian, chinese, maori, etc.
19:03 atz        XSL is far more inscrutable, but that's what's needed for the kind of flexibility slef is talking about
19:03 chris      as far as translatability goes they actually work pretty well
19:02 atz        and translatability
19:02 atz        jwagner: actually the whole point of TMPL is readability
19:02 slef       they all have house styles they want to work
19:02 jwagner    Templates are certainly inscrutable at best....
19:02 slef       they work, but aren't flexible enough for any library I've met
19:01 slef       koha templates suck too, regrettably
19:01 atz        custom templates suck
19:01 slef       thanks for the help jwagner
19:01 slef       oh happy!  prog template works => their template needs fixing
18:59 jwagner    No, no problems opening the opac here.
18:58 slef       I'll just try switching them back to prog templates as a test
18:58 slef       step to reproduce: load opac
18:57 jwagner    slef, what steps trigger the action?  I've been using FF3.0.7 for ages with no problems on 3.0 or 3.0.1.
18:57 atz        haven't seen that one then.... (staff had that bogus intranetuserjs problem)
18:57 slef       off to try another machine with FF3.0.7 now
18:56 slef       OPAC
18:56 atz        slef: OPAC or STAFF?
18:54 slef       Is anyone else seeing strange behaviour with Firefox 3.0.7 and Koha 3.0?  I'm getting a javascript error in a jQuery plugin and broken display.
18:39 SelfishMan ha ha ha
18:38 chris      just woke up, so far saturday is ok :)
18:36 SelfishMan pretty smooth so far, you?
18:34 chris      hows friday going SelfishMan
18:25 SelfishMan afternoon
18:20 chris      morning
16:37 paul_p     hi self. Sorry for this approximative writing. I knew, but was not 100% sure of the french equivalent.
16:36 slef       paul_p: my company is ttllp.co.uk, a worker cooperative.
16:35 slef       buh? paul_p called me self-employed?
14:24 fredericd  hi
13:56 gmcharlt   time
13:55 hdl_laptop still struggling?
13:55 gmcharlt   hdl_laptop: early next week
13:43 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: do you have something for me to test on ?
13:40 gmcharlt   looking forward to seeing everyone there
13:39 owen       Arriving evening of the 15th, leaving morning of the 19th. Unfortunately I can't stay for the whole dev portion.
13:39 paul_p     bye |Lupin|
13:39 paul_p     (nahuel & me -and chris C, by chance- arrive on 14th, 9PM, and return on 21th, 12PM
13:39 |Lupin|    till soon, nice to talk to you guys !
13:38 paul_p     when do you arrive & return ?
13:38 owen       Yeah, I couldn't resist.
13:36 paul_p     yeah ! great news ! I thought you couldn't !
13:36 paul_p     you come ?
13:36 owen       And to think I'm excited about just going to Texas ;)
13:35 paul_p     (so not counting hdl & marc going to code4lib or nahuel & me going to Dallas)
13:35 paul_p     owen: yep.
13:30 owen       Wow, and that was just in March?
13:28 paul_p     that's what is new on our side ;-)
13:28 paul_p     considering that France is only 1000km x 1000km, that's huge !
13:28 paul_p     BibLibre has sum-ed all our march travels : it's 30 000km
13:27 paul_p     hi owen.
13:26 owen       What's new #koha?
13:15 |Lupin|    gmcharlt: hmm we already have a file server to store all the books. For us the question is rather how to store all the information regarding the different book formats we handle in the MARC fields. Some formats are generated from others, that's I think what makes the project non-trivial
12:38 gmcharlt   main thing is that if you're using it to link to images, PDFs, or other digital media, you'll likely want to also use a CMS to manage the digital objects
12:36 gmcharlt   |Lupin|: it's been done - Rachel @ Katipo did it, there've been a few others
12:34 |Lupin|    Just out of curiosity: Is somebody aware of another project using koha to maintain a digital library
12:33 jwagner    Great, thanks.
12:33 gmcharlt   yes, it's in C4/Auth.pm
12:32 jwagner    Followup -- can you point me to the section of code that checks for an IP change?  Somewhere in the Auth.pm maybe?
12:31 jwagner    That's what I needed to know.  Thanks much!
12:31 gmcharlt   right, the sessions table in the database
12:31 jwagner    Sessions row is where -- table on the server side?
12:30 gmcharlt   if the IP address of the user changes, the user is asked to log in again
12:30 gmcharlt   does store the IP address
12:30 gmcharlt   but the sessions row for the login
12:30 gmcharlt   the cookie doesn't itself include the IP address
12:30 jwagner    When someone logs into the staff client, does Koha set a cookie that includes the IP address?
12:29 gmcharlt   jwagner: what's your question?
12:16 jwagner    Someone around who knows how logins and authentication work?
12:04 |Lupin|    hmm linuxconf is a conference or a tool to configure LInux ?
12:03 |Lupin|    oh yes ? I was not even aware of Linuxconf taking place in Paris...
12:01 paul_p     |Lupin|: i'll be in Paris next week, for linuxconf ;-)
12:00 |Lupin|    I see. Too bad we are not in the same city. If you guys happen to come to Paris, just let me know, may be nice to have a drink or so...
11:55 paul_p     (small one, 5 of us, and it's full now. The other 5 ppl are homeworking)
11:55 paul_p     yep, in Marseille
11:55 |Lupin|    paul_p: if it has, where is it located ?
11:55 |Lupin|    paul_p: has biblibre an office ?
11:54 |Lupin|    cool !
11:54 paul_p     s/accompagné/accompagnées/ done
11:49 |Lupin|    The biblibre site seems very accessible, it's great.
11:47 |Lupin|    paul_p: wow! many thanks for the guided tour of the chan ! nice !!
11:44 paul_p     |Lupin|: on this channel, you'll encounter frenchies from BibLibre, US ppl from LibLime, the 2 major vendors providing support on Koha & developping the software. You'll also meet a lot of other ppl, but from their own structure : either a library (like owen), or "self-employed", like slef. You can also speak to chris, the author of Koha 1.0, no more hacking Koha, but still involved (and maybe hacking again soon)
11:44 |Lupin|    "et les bibliothèques ont besoin d'être accompagné dans leur démarche pour pouvoir tirer pleinement profit de leur potentiel": shouldn't it be accompagnéES ?
11:41 nahuel     |Lupin|, http://www.biblibre.com/
11:36 elwell     `~
11:33 |Lupin|    what-s biblibre btw ?